AMDs New Gaming CPU Is Impressive But You Should NOT Buy It - 8700G Value Dilemma
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- Опубліковано 30 січ 2024
- In this episode, explore the highly anticipated AMD Ryzen 8000 APUs set to hit the market soon. Dive into the intriguing world of integrated graphics performance, offering a potential solution for budget gamers facing rising GPU prices. Danny also delves into the architecture rumors surrounding Intel's upcoming Arrow Lake CPUs, with potential changes that may leave some enthusiasts unhappy. Join the conversation, discover the pros and cons of these new CPUs, and find out if they could be the game-changer for your next PC build. Don't miss out - hit play now and stay tuned for all the hardware insights! 🔧💻 #AMD #Intel #CPUs #GPU #techtalk
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I suspect that this is mainly for markets like Asia and South America that have even more astronomical graphics card prices than America. Otherwise, use-cases involve SFF emulation machines, HTPCs, gaming cafes and mini PCs
good point. mb
So true. Here in India, the cheapest 7900XTX on amazon is like ₹1,20,000(which is $1450). Compare to the US, the cheapest on on amazon is like $920, which is like 35% cheaper. Same applies for the 4080 SUPER.
Great for SFF emulation PCs, which is a big niche for these products that reviewers miss. These will also end up in handheld PCs in one form or another within due time.
Got an 8600G for this reason. AVX-512, enough graphics, low power and heat profile. I do think the 8700g is a bit overpriced even for this niche though and the extra 100usd means I can get better ram and more m.2 storage.
speaking of the notion of the 8000g series bottlenecking a Dgpu, that screenshot is in 1080p. if someone was waiting on a gpu, they would get a gpu that can do more than 1080p. try this with 1440p or 4k in mind.
also, the performance from the gamers nexus screenshot, showed that the CPU with the gpu, still beat the 12100f, so buying it for a budget build is still going to bottleneck the user, regardless of which path they go.
Mate would i regret not buying a Ryzen 5 7600 setup instead of this Ryzen 7 8700G setup with the caveat that i first want to run only the iGpu then later add a monster gpu later? Reason for this is money plus i love older games so i'd love to test Dead space 2008 or Prototype 2 at 1080P with this setup and just see what the iGpu can do with these games then later add a gpu for games like Elden ring or Dead space remake 2023 and my current fave Grounded 1.4
Currently running on 7600x igpu because my rx580 died. I can’t even play Star Trek online smoothly at minimum setting with 7600x’s igpu. So if there’s going to be a considerable time gap till U get the discrete graphics, get the G suffix.
@@rickfeng4466 thanx man how does grounded do at 1080p low settings as thats probs the latest game i play 😅😅😅
The video you should really do is compare old system overclocked to new system overclocked and show the diff if any.
I'd imagine it'd be ridiculously sensitive to memory overclocking. Not only is ryzen 7000 non x3d already very sensitive but this has half the cache of that and an apu to contend with memory resources too.
I've had the MSI Z790i ITX MB for a little over a year now and have been able to run up to 8200 with it, and it's half the price of the APEX.
The thing that really pisses me off with these APU releases is the configuration, they only ever put the top Igpu (in this case the 780m) on the highest end CPU. This is just farcical when you think about it, the reason people want these APU chips is for budget systems where a modern GPU is way to overbudget/expensive. Nobody who is looking to buy the top end, 8/12 core CPU is going to be running integrated graphics, if you are in the market for the highest end CPU you are not someone who is trying to build a gaming system on a budget. AMD could easily put the 780m GPU on the mid range 8600g or 8500g and then you would have an entry level/budget gaming system on a chip but they refuse to do this for some reason and insist that only the top end CPU can have the faster integrated graphics when as I pointed out the type of customer who wants or can afford the top end CPU is not the type of customer who will ever use that integrated GPU.
Honestly why do they do this? What is the deal? Just give us a midrange CPU with the best version of the Igpu and we have the ultimate low end gaming rig APU and it would sell millions.
I have been looking for a CPU to run game servers and also has the ability to transcode and host apps on a closed wired network. This CPU kinda fits the bill, idk if it will beat out the 5600 or the 7600. I'm really looking at the lowest possible power requirement overall for the whole system. This might be exactly what I need. I'm not interested in Intel at all, it's not a fanboy thing, I've been screwed over by them for so many years I just don't want to deal with them anymore or give them business. Until I see more info and benchmarks this is defiantly an option for me, I'll probably end up with 5600x a mini itx and a ebay GPU.
i picked up the 8600g but wondering if i should actually have gone for the 87. it is for a build that has no room for a gpu
@zombie Yes, you should have picked up the 8700g
@@Owen-fn8ff good job I did then. Got both sat on my desk
I have one coming for my sub 4 L build. mini pc's are where it's at. anything around 100 fps is plenty for me.
Most of the interest I've seen around these APU's has been for emulator builds and sff builds, for those use cases these seem like a no brainer.
Emulation machine all the way :) that is my use case
This APU would've been amazing tuner if they didn't cut the cache capacity.
@TheDivisionAddict yep
What about the fact that if your DGPU dies, with this you have a backup. Its kinda like having insurance for those who dont have a spare useable 6500xt level gpu lying around.
You can just buy a 1650 or a 2nd hand card which is better than the igpu on this apu.
Half-baked pci-e lane support - No thanks.
I could see someone buying it because of limited budget spending $329 for CPU that comes with a cooler and maybe they have another 5-6 hundred dollars to spend on future proofing with a good motherboard and ram and case. once they save enough money a year or 2 down the line they can spend another 3-4 hundred dollar on a good GPU and better cooler to possibly OC the CPU for better clock speeds.
It will make sense as price decreases over time. 5000 series APUs were also expensive at launch
But the platform is not affordable by most consumers.
@@zilverman7820
Am5 is not how it was at launch
48GB of RAM is interesting. Don't want to pay for 64GB, but 48GB might be worth it for my new build.
If asrock releases the Deskmini X600 I will get one 8700G to replace my X300 with 5700G I use as a mini steam machine for my room TV
It would have been reasonable if it has the same speed as 7700 as CPU but not its trash. I was planning on getting it and was very excited but now the fun is ruined.
It be great for mini pcs, but we've already had them in mini pcs as the 7040 series loll this would only be good for a DIY mini pc that's it
I will buy it for a baby size emulation beast.
Umm but if you get 8700g you can play with half decent graphics while you save up get a proper gpu and thennnn in couple years you just need to get next am5 x cpu and drop it right in no need for new build?? I thought it was pretty obvious ?? I mean vs spending all your $ now and having a fully outdated system so will have to buy a whole new set up when you want to upgrade???
If anything id think the argument would be why would you spend $ on a old i5, gpu , and motherboard even the only argument valid imo which is that the 87 is expensive is out considering even a" ok" old gpu + i5 would be more then the 87 ??
I'm getting an 8600g as my second setup for productivity and emulation. Could i have bought a 760M laptop to do this. Yes. But laptops suck 😂
Who will buy 8000G? Not OEMs who will get them for free in an AMD full line procurement. Cheap to volume retail who will then set the price on demand and Si's who will likely get a good price and then all OEMS and Sis cam offer PC prebuilts with integrated graphics while offering secondary / refurbished Ampere and Ada mid shelf surplus upgrade options mb
8700G would be great value at 220 USD and 8600G at around 140. Maybe in a year after the 9000 series is out. Plenty of stock of 5000 series APUs to sell first.
Also AM5 MB price has to go down a bit.
Yeah I snagged a 5700G on sale last year for $180 Canadian peso's. I will wait for these to start popping up used from HP and Dell etc.
@@davefroman4700 I just bought a used hp victus with 5700g/6600xt/32gb/500gb/500w for $450 US peso's. It's taken two years for prices to tank on these, I wasn't willing to pay the $1200 to $1500 they started out at.
Two years from now the prices will tank on the 8000 series but by then the integrated graphics won't be of much use on new games.
I am only buying this as an AI PC.
Who is building with this APU? Could this finally be a question where you can answer "your mom"? Definitely not a tech-savvy person. But then your mom might actually be good at tech and would laugh about these APUs.
people will buy these apus... next year at half price
What a stupid/pointless cpu. The onboard gpu is garbage. We shouldn’t be excited about 1080 low/potato settings. Looks like amd is using the 8700g as a dumping ground for getting rid of 7940hs chips that run too hot or pull too much power to be used in laptops.
Not to mention in many countries (mine included) you could buy a 7800x3d for a negligible price difference or a 7700 for less making the optics of this chip seem that is crazy overpriced.
Apu is for smartphone gamers😂😂😂 who buys that trash
a rx 6800 is @ the same price of this shi*t useless CPU. WHO WOULD BUY IT REALLY !
It's a premium priced APU for sff pcs. It will go down eventually like the 5600g and 5700g
Someone who wants a passively cooled PC
@@benjy288will two or three fans really kill ya? you can also just make their rpm low anyways if you want less noise...
@@bigmans813 Yep, it will, my PC is arms reach away, and my room is very quiet, I'm already passively cooling a 5600g with great results, for example if you're doing a big video encode that's going to take hours to complete, you can just run the job before you go to bed and the CPU will be maxed out while you're sleeping with zero noise.
@@benjy288 dawg do you have sensitive ears or something cuz even i would barely hear low rpm fans if they would be an arms length away from me...
The difference in terms of performance and price compared to the 8600G is not great!
And in this context, your clip is pure hate!
I watched your whole clip!
Perhaps you would recommend an intel for the purpose?
I doubt!
But the hate was important, RIGHT!