Halfway through I realized I'm an American watching an Australian, Canadian, and Scotsman discuss the latest rocket launch by SpaceX, founded by Elon Musk, an American immigrant from South Africa. Gotta love how space brings us all together.
I've come to REALLY enjoy when you get these guys on your show. Of course it helps that I've subscribed to all three of you for YEARS. Please make this a semiregular thing.
Watched the entire flight live. Starship started shedding debris at some point, perhaps 10-20 minutes before the plasma plume. SoaceX commentary was silent at the time. The ship was in some type of a roll. At least one piece appeared large. Any idea what was going on?
Being able to examine the booster without the impact damage, salt water contamination or any other damage not caused by atmospheric passage should greatly improve the pace of development.
Exactly. They also need the ship back as soon as possible! I suspect getting the thermal protection system to high reliability might be more difficult than orbital refueling. (I'm speculating of course.) At least NASA had massive problems with ceramic tiles on the Space Shuttles. Anyway, Musk said he hopes they catch it early next year.
@@cube2fox My hope is that the ship's de-orbit burn can be tested on the next flight - November? - and ship catch on the flight after that. With both done by the end of the year or January.
@@cube2fox I agree. They have already done a fuel transfer from the header tanks to the main tanks before. And transfer between 2 ships shouldn't be that much harder than that, since docking is a well known science.
@@kukuc96 I suspect the tanker will need the standard female quick disconnect for loading on the tower and a male quick disconnect to connect to the ship to be fueled in orbit. Just my guess...
I woke up out a dead sleep, jumped up, fired up the lap top, got back under the covers, and watched, tears came to my eyes when it fell into the cradle perfectly. Then I fell back to sleep very happy.
I had just kinda woke up for the day and did'nt even realize this was going down. After happening to catch it all live I couldnt go back to sleep after jumping out of my chair, cheering and then continuing to carry on about it all, all day long.
I had a similar experience here on the west coast (🇨🇦) and had NSF playing on the background. I tried to stay awake but woke up to them hollering when it was coming in to land, just caught it!
The conditions were so good on the ground for this launch we got amazing tracking footage from all the dedicated photographers. The tracking shot of the booster screaming through the atmosphere sideways is probably my favourite.
Well, I was sceptical, until maybe an hour before liftoff, and I commented on I think EA's stream that "well, all they have to do is get the booster to the right coordinates and zero the vertical velocity and it should work". I was suddenly strangely positive. What amazed me wasn't the booster so much (which was amazing) as the catching arm, it was like a human arm that just reached out, adjusted itself, and gently caught it! The engineering in the tower is incredible, considering all the massive weights involved, these massive machines were almost delicate. Crazy stuff.
A few more milestones to come. Starship tower landing, storage & refueling in space, Moon ship testing and landing. Plenty more for the 3 of you to discuss. Looking forward to it all.
@@gregbailey45 ..and they are knocking them out with great efficacy. I remember people saying a lot of sh*t during the Falcon 9 project in the beggining. Not so much anymore. . Not saying youre one of them at all but those people are insufferable.
I've made a more extensive post on my predictions, but I think before all those you list they'll want to start using Starship to deliver Starlink to orbit.
@bobleidner9794 Most importantly: Starship de-orbit burn. Once this has been done they can send Starship into real orbit and start launching Starlink satellites. Will be very interesting to see how much mass Starship can carry to space!
They don't necessarily need to catch the Starship for this to work though it would increase the cost to have them all expendable. Catching the booster is more important because of how many engines each booster needs. The critical milestones are: Full orbital insertion and controlled de-orbit (relight of engines in vacuum) Launch with payload and deployment Building and launching orbital fuel depot version of Starship Docking to on orbit fuel depot with fuel transfer to and from orbital depot Build and launch HLS version of Starship to orbit. Trans lunar injection. Lunar orbit and docking with gateway. Undocking and lunar landing. So a lot to do and a lot that can go wrong.
The amazing thing with these test flights is how smooth the launch operations are. No aborts, no partial failures, no malfunctioning engines, etc. It's all smooth. Same for hot staging etc. As if they've been doing for ages.
The camera coverage by SpaceX just keeps getting Better & Better. The number of cam angles on this catch were amazing ! Yea, there were a few anomalies on this flight, mostly w/ re-entry heating, but these problems should be relatively easy to fix given what SpaceX has been thru to date. I'm curious what the next move will be and where on Planet Earth do they plan on catching a StarShip.
@@swiftnicknevison4848 The Orbital mechanics involved in launching & Landing (or catching) at the same location is really going to extend the mission. Australia will likely be that location as SpaceX has recently applied w/ the Australian gov & Space agencies to do business there. It's just a few more minutes of flight to Australian land using the same route that IF-5 flew.
This is definitely what the majority of people was thinking, I personally believe Musk is now using his Grok AI to calculate all the physics involved to have success
If that catch attempt had not been successful it would have been infinitely more than "exciting." It would have been an explosive disaster that likely would have set the Starship program back by a year or more as SpaceX and the FAA sifted through all the wreckage to determine what mitigation will be necessary before the program can continue. The FAA is not SpaceX's enemy but their best partner, and when they issue a license to fly SpaceX is ready to fly.
@@wes9627 Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think it would have been quite that dire. There have been some major explosions upon landing at the Starbase in the past, and many more explosions of the Falcon 9 before SpaceX managed to get that working right, and I don't recall there having been year-long delays between each of those incidents. The delay would depend on what gets damaged or destroyed, and of course there is a second tower that is nearing completion, in order to mitigate this risk.
Love having my three favorite analysts team up for a fun and informative breakdown of one of the greatest space events ever. Each of you brings a unique perspective with a nice splash of humor. Thank you!!!
I started watching scott like 10 years ago watching Kerbal space program, then Marcus about 2 years ago during the hopper tests. Brand new viewer to fraser cain. Subbed to all 3 now. Thanks for the chat!
all three are amazing but i still like fraser channel the best just because you get every single space related news. and all breakdown per ea goings on are always detailed and fully explained (so great!)
Absolutely love it when you guys get together and brainstorm! One addition I would like to see is Felix from WAI chiming in also. I follow all four channels religiously lol
My wise engineering director used to say: "You know a system is mature when you are NOT surprised that it works". Starship is definitely not mature, but it got a lot closer on Sunday.
@@prasah18 i would say it's an understandable take. In my case i just based my optimism on the fact they've been landing falcon 9's as if it was just parking your car at home, that easy. That's why i thought they'd first try this thing, they've learned so much and their booster landing ift 4 was nearly perfect too.
After the first booster exploded in the atmosphere, they crashed the next three perfecting the maneuvers required for a mechazilla catch landing. So 4 crashes and one successful catch.
This was the civilian equivalent of "shock and awe," the sudden imposition of a new reality. Fortunately, this kind comes with exuberant relief rather than the other thing, a sense of having turned a corner into that better future we had barely dared to hope for. It's as if the world cried out, "Somebody pinch me to see if I'm dreaming!" Someday there will be launch loops or mass driver cannons to efficiently put bulk materials into orbit to be caught by construction crews. However, this is the first time you could calculate approximately how many launches for how much money it would take to put up the panels and girders to build modest but real O'Neill Cylinders or dodecahedron type rotating space stations, and not come up with an absurd number. This is literally the dawn of industrial-grade space infrastructure, and the first time it seemed like "just a matter of working out a few kinks in the system" to have that working for us. Welcome to the stars, humanity. This is your job: to build and drive the vehicles that will spread life off this planet into the greater Cosmos where it belongs. This process and this commission will give you the perspectives to recognize your identity and realize your destiny, and from this you will develop the peace you need to flourish in the galaxy after all. Those who refuse it will be left behind, but those who embrace it will expand across the universe. This is your moment.
Great “fire place chat” very informative and super useful to feed our hunger for understanding things more in detail! Congrats to the three musketeers of space flight
The late gimbaling move with Starship seemed to mirror SuperHeavy Boosters translation of moving in toward Mechazilla, so potentially a planned maneuver to mirror it's translation into the catch arms.
Especially from physically examining the lower stage. It helps a lot to actually get the hardware back. But I'm not sure how much they can learn from the upper stage splash down, especially about the thermal protection system, since they have to infer things from telemetry and limited on board camera footage only. Hard to infer how well the various ceramic tiles were holding up. Elon Musk said on Twitter recently he hopes the upper stage will be caught early next year.
Me: ****throws ball up in air to self -- misses catch**** Space X: ****launches mobile skyscraper into space --- catches it with chopsticks upon return to earth****
The fact they landed the booster first go this early in the test campaign (this is ONLY flight 5 after all) speaks volumes. The amount of data and knowledge they will get off the recovered hardware will accelerate development so so well. Fingers crossed they can recover a ship soon!
I think Scott is correct with the nozzles overheating and need to be cooled, but let’s remember rapture three has inner cooling capability that may be more active throughout the landing, which is why musk said it’s an easy fix.
I'm glad you guys are collaborating, it really enhances the content. Not many people have the confidence to set their egos aside like you have, so kudos to each of you!
"All engines running, Houston, we've cleared the tower!" I got Apollo vibes from this launch, felt like I had the 1960s commentary by Walter Cronkite in my ears!
Yeah, this may not have been quite first moon landing territory, but that was before I was born... This is happening right now, and represents an enormous upheaval in how rocketry is done, both in terms of potential payload mass and cost savings, that will lead to massive changes and a vast expansion of space industry.
@@FT91-z5j Well it's a completely different vehicle. Starship could easily go to orbit, that's not even a problem, but instead they wanted to test the heat shield for reusability. The Saturn 5 program cost nearly a Trillion dollars, and left us with no technical legacy, apart from flags and footprints. If that's all you want, SpaceX could achieve the same result as the Saturn 5 for maybe 20% of the cost, but that's not the mission. The mission is to get 100T to orbit and reuse the vehicle so we can actually setup bases on the Moon and Mars, something Apollo could never do. So, it's a stupid comparison to be honest.
@@TallinuTV 100% agree, but man, I had the Apollo liftoff commentary in my head, I've watched those launches so many times haha. The guys in the 60s knew how to overdramatise it, mush to my glee.
@@aldunlop4622 your arguments are ridiculous. Apollo flew with a Crew on his fifth flight and Starship struggles still to not burn up at the re-entry so how you can compare a system that has worked to something that might will. You don't know how many tests spaceX will need to get a starship back from Orbit and reuse that ship and booster safely in a reasonable amount of time. What if they need 10 more years? Furthermore starship can't go higher than low earth orbit without refueling. So last time I checked they needed around 20 Tanker missions to orbit to get a single starship to the moon. So do you really believe that it's that big of an achievement to land a booster and blow up starship with the knowledge of the last 60 years compared to the Apollo mission that hadn't any way to source knowledge to produce anything. Space X can literally look up anything that NASA knows to learn from their mistakes. To compare the cost of the Apollo program to space X makes me laugh because without Apollo and the space shuttle SpaceX had to spend a trillion like you mentioned.
The fact that SpaceX caught the booster on their first try speaks volumes about what the possibilities are. Clearly, it is likely that this will become commonplace.
I was anxiously awaiting the lively conversation with you 3 as it has become a tradition and it did not disappoint. The the ‘this is the end, what’s left’ maybe not every starship launch going forward will warrant a debrief like this but maybe just big milestones or setbacks. EG lunar orbit, orbital refueling, ship catch, a major failure with complex consequences. Keep them coming if it makes sense. Y’all will know what’s best.
Thanks for putting this together. Was very happy to see it pop up in my stream. Sad to hear it might be the second last one, but have to agree, it does feel like it's not very far away from being operational. Still will be amazing to see it every time for quite some time though.
I love the starship development but there is a problem as Scott explained. If you look at the residual fuel left in both rockets and you consider they are flying no payload whatsoever, the current configuration would be likely to only put 10 to 20 tons of payload in orbit. It's pretty easy to see the problem with both ships showing basically empty when they have completed their respective jobs. They have significant work ahead to get 150 tons to orbit!
Amazing catch/launch. Amazing conversation between three of the world's top tier space reporters. Thanks for bringing this together, Fraser, and thank you Scott & Marcus for collaborating.
This was perhaps the most impressive engineering achievement in decades, and media in my country (Norway) largely ignored the whole thing. They don't like Elon Musk, so they don't want to publish any positive news about him and any of his companies. This test flight took me on an emotional rollercoaster, and I was left speechless when it was over. I couldn't believe what I have just seen. It's so sad for me to know that most of my countrymen have no idea this ever happened.
@@moochydacat I am not disputing that, but that also includes Elon Musk, since he is the Chief Engineer over there. It was his idea to ditch the landing legs and catch it with the tower. Very few companies would have risked trying to do this in the first place, but it has something to do with him also being the CEO.
Yah it's too bad that Elon is a right wing nutbag, BUT he had the vision, and he spent the billions to see his vision through. He hired Gwynne Wellshot, and she is able to get the right people, and most importantly, she is able to keep talented people.
I attempted to like this several times after I already liked it at the very beginning... My three favorite space minds all deciphering the chemistry and physics of the latest spaceflight feat! Thank you guys so much for your continued contributions to this community, it brings me and many others so much joy. Look forward to the next one!
These conversations are the highlight of every Starship Launch!! I don't think this is the penultimate one you've got more than one milestone to come (Catching the ship, Reusing the booster/ship, V2, V3, Rapid cadence, Catching/launching at sea, Launching in one place and catching in another etc)
After that successful launch and catch, I could not wait for my favourite UA-camr's to debrief this! Love the content that you all put out and cheers for Fraser being a fellow Canadian too!
I watched it live,I was in tears of joy when they caught it. I'm listeninng to you guys and watching it again and again, I'm still getting emotional. I tweeted to X to Elon , whether he would have seen it or not, "Elon, you are a steely eyed missile man", it was fantastic... lets go to Mars.
Bravo Fraser, you’re an amazing host and interviewer 👏🏼 I appreciate how you’re able to guide the conversation with thoughtful prompts and questions. Keeping the conversation on track and on tempo whilst allowing your guests freedom isn’t natural for most people.
Saying the Starship up there was routine after only 3 times in space was hilarious! I agree though lmao! What a time to be alive! I sure wish I could see 100 yeas from now!
Absolutely love the three apostles when they come together on frasers show,just let scott have a say with questions sometimes after markus as they they both work in order as they both bring the conversation together with your questions,another great interview,cheers from nzl..
@@Wordsmiths I think the point of his comment was that the Starship landed in the ocean off Western Aus, and if they had a tower there, they could've caught it. Nut as an Aussie, I agree, we have plenty of good launch site potentials. Bowen in Northern Queensland already has a site, as does the Northern Territory. But if you think the FAA is a paid in the ass, Australian regulations on everything would drive you mad.
Great episode. I'm subscribed to 4 space related UA-cam channels, these 3 and WAI. You should do this more often. In addition to saving me time, it's more informative and entertaining. 3 different backgrounds, 3 different degrees, and 3 different perspectives. Thanks for all of your hard work
I would enjoy it more if Fraser would rewatch this broadcast and see that he was much more anxious asking a wordy questions! You are very frustrating to listen to yourself and not letting your quests speak more! Could you take questions from viewers would be great!
One of my favorite parts was super heavy passing its outgoing exhaust cloud on the way back. That's one detail i never realized or thought of happening. I know its such a small thing but its like a reality check seeing it for the first time ever. Oh and the sunrise in the background was the perfect touch!
A common red flag 🚩🚩 of a low iq person on the Internet: not being able to separate an achievement of SpaceX, the company, and opinions of Elon Musk, the person Wait til someone reveals to you what kind of person US owes its space program to begin with
There are thousands of engineers that should be celebrated, even if you disagree with the behavior of the CEO. They'll percolate out to the rest of the space industry over time and rejuvinate it.
@@frasercain There's no reasoning with this kind of people, they are so obsessed with being on the right side of history they'd happily burn down every single good thing Musk ever touched just because his opinions are (legitimately) problematic. Wait til they hear what kind of person US owes its space program to begin with
Thanks for a wonderful analysis of the revolutionary history we are so fortunate to be witnessing, my 3 favourite presenters are a formidable team. Well done Fraser, Scott and Marcus, I’m eagerly waiting for your flight 6 team analysis.
Three of my favourite sage voices and I agree with your comment about chemistry. There was a poll on Tim Dodd's channel in the preflight and I chose, "probably abort" out of three possibilities (but then switched over to the SpaceX X feed as it was less busy and good quality HD). In other words, guessing that it might reach the command phase but one of the many systems would fail the checklist and cause a last-minute abort. I could hardly believe my eyes, watching it all come together.
I love these videos! The three of you work great together and the longer format means you have time to get into all the details which I love! Keep them coming!! 😎🚀
The alignment pins on the mount are probably more for lining up the gas ports to start the outer ring than it is for putting it boost on the mount in general
First of all I love these get togethers post ITFs!! second: my favorite bit of the booster catch is when the booster "wobbles" between the chopstics as it is lowering. Like it really reminded me that (besides being rocket science) this is indeed a vehicle, a mechanical being with its inherent flaws , vibrations, tollerance to faults, its phisical essence... idk but it looks like its complex but definetly a challenge human ingenuity can take on and complete.. Exciting!!
Another great report from you three! It's one thing to watch the event as it happens, and it's another great value-added to hear intelligent analysis and perspective from multiple sources and perspectives. It's only the two things that seem to me to give the whole story. Thanks immensely! And please let's not hear about any thoughts of retirement just yet. I can't quite envision SpaceX ever "settling in" to just a status-quo type of operation. We've only begun to get basic handles on spaceflight. And we can't really grasp what's still beyond our reach, but only to see our limits. Surely we can see that those limits are not adequate to our dreams?! So I expect there's going to be plenty of boggling to be done in time to come, and I hope you'll help us to do it!
What a great event! Great post! Enjoyable comenttary! I think the sideways finale approach was to ensure the booster could overfly the landing zone down to the last seconds.
Being older and having watched the progress of early NASA has reminded me that being directly involved in the top tiers of engineering inspires a confidence level that's hard to understand for those uninvolved in the subject. Taking the next step is risky but intuitively we manage our wandering around without worrying to mush about stumbling. When confidence is HIGH, it's not hard to say, GO FOR IT. You three are not the ones uninvolved, but most of the onlookers are and their question is, how the hell is it possible? My father told me that nothing stays the same. I pondered for some time and realized that that fact was evident on an hourly basis. What decisions in the upcoming hours throughout the spacex complex will we see put in play that furthers their confident level even higher? Oh my!
As you alluded to at the end Frasier, we have the team at SpaceX to thank for backing themselves and shunting the window of discourse of what is possible. I hope current and future generations keep that faith and use it for the benefit of all. Great inspiring video as always.
These videos are beginning to become almost like a tradition. No flight is really complete until you three have debriefed it!
Yes, I love it when you guys can get together and share your different perspectives.
Need Marcus to shave his head though.
@@TheJimtanker How would we be able to tell them apart ? It's hard enough now .....
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@@TheJimtankerYes! Maybe Marcus could get himself a Henson Shaving sponsor.
Halfway through I realized I'm an American watching an Australian, Canadian, and Scotsman discuss the latest rocket launch by SpaceX, founded by Elon Musk, an American immigrant from South Africa. Gotta love how space brings us all together.
I've come to REALLY enjoy when you get these guys on your show. Of course it helps that I've subscribed to all three of you for YEARS. Please make this a semiregular thing.
same.
Watched the entire flight live. Starship started shedding debris at some point, perhaps 10-20 minutes before the plasma plume. SoaceX commentary was silent at the time. The ship was in some type of a roll. At least one piece appeared large. Any idea what was going on?
@@joabmagara2162 it likely would have been ice
years and years club
The best of the best. Yes, bring them on.
An Aussie, a Scotsman and a Canadian walk into a bar, and discuss rocket science. Subbed.
Canadian
@@AndrewBlucher i knew I should have gambled Canadian
Missing USA with Everyday Astronaut
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@@MichaelOfRohan That would be awesome.
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My 3 main channels for rocket news all in one. Awesome.
Missing everyday astronaut!!
i have six, these three, Plus What About It, Nasa Space Flight (NSF), and EverydayAstronaut. all great people..
@@EA_SETDon't forget about Thunderfoot :)
@@mr.normalguy69 He's always good for a laugh
@EA_SET This is my set, plus ellie in space. She gets great interviews, and covers relevant non-nerd aspects.
that atmospheric heating re-entry shot, and the memory of old car cigarette lighters.
Bad memories 😖
Cigar from zeus
@@albinfiskare😂😂😂
I saw a comment where the guy said he didn't even know what he was watching and thought, "Why are they showing us a falling cigar?" 😂😂
@@utofbu oh, truly good point. Forgot about those…
Being able to examine the booster without the impact damage, salt water contamination or any other damage not caused by atmospheric passage should greatly improve the pace of development.
Exactly. They also need the ship back as soon as possible! I suspect getting the thermal protection system to high reliability might be more difficult than orbital refueling. (I'm speculating of course.) At least NASA had massive problems with ceramic tiles on the Space Shuttles. Anyway, Musk said he hopes they catch it early next year.
@@cube2fox
My hope is that the ship's de-orbit burn can be tested on the next flight - November? - and ship catch on the flight after that. With both done by the end of the year or January.
@@cube2fox I agree. They have already done a fuel transfer from the header tanks to the main tanks before. And transfer between 2 ships shouldn't be that much harder than that, since docking is a well known science.
@@kukuc96
I suspect the tanker will need the standard female quick disconnect for loading on the tower and a male quick disconnect to connect to the ship to be fueled in orbit.
Just my guess...
I woke up out a dead sleep, jumped up, fired up the lap top, got back under the covers, and watched, tears came to my eyes when it fell into the cradle perfectly. Then I fell back to sleep very happy.
Was amazing to be able to watch live!
I did just about the same thing!
I had just kinda woke up for the day and did'nt even realize this was going down. After happening to catch it all live I couldnt go back to sleep after jumping out of my chair, cheering and then continuing to carry on about it all, all day long.
I had a similar experience here on the west coast (🇨🇦) and had NSF playing on the background. I tried to stay awake but woke up to them hollering when it was coming in to land, just caught it!
I think I fell asleep 16 hours later.
The conditions were so good on the ground for this launch we got amazing tracking footage from all the dedicated photographers. The tracking shot of the booster screaming through the atmosphere sideways is probably my favourite.
The way it popped out of its own vapour plume has to be my top image. It’s almost an AI cartoon yet it’s real.
Well, I was sceptical, until maybe an hour before liftoff, and I commented on I think EA's stream that "well, all they have to do is get the booster to the right coordinates and zero the vertical velocity and it should work". I was suddenly strangely positive. What amazed me wasn't the booster so much (which was amazing) as the catching arm, it was like a human arm that just reached out, adjusted itself, and gently caught it! The engineering in the tower is incredible, considering all the massive weights involved, these massive machines were almost delicate. Crazy stuff.
And I have trouble catching a softball in the outfield.
The most insane thing to me is the engine gimbal, that’s a giant engine bell pumping out thousands of pounds of force quickly and precisely rotating.
The arms are hydraulically powered. From building site diggers to rocket catch towers, the control accuracy is amazing.
A few more milestones to come. Starship tower landing, storage & refueling in space, Moon ship testing and landing. Plenty more for the 3 of you to discuss. Looking forward to it all.
Big backlog of achievements before making it to the moon, let alone Mars!
@@gregbailey45 ..and they are knocking them out with great efficacy. I remember people saying a lot of sh*t during the Falcon 9 project in the beggining. Not so much anymore. . Not saying youre one of them at all but those people are insufferable.
I've made a more extensive post on my predictions, but I think before all those you list they'll want to start using Starship to deliver Starlink to orbit.
@bobleidner9794 Most importantly: Starship de-orbit burn. Once this has been done they can send Starship into real orbit and start launching Starlink satellites. Will be very interesting to see how much mass Starship can carry to space!
They don't necessarily need to catch the Starship for this to work though it would increase the cost to have them all expendable. Catching the booster is more important because of how many engines each booster needs. The critical milestones are:
Full orbital insertion and controlled de-orbit (relight of engines in vacuum)
Launch with payload and deployment
Building and launching orbital fuel depot version of Starship
Docking to on orbit fuel depot with fuel transfer to and from orbital depot
Build and launch HLS version of Starship to orbit.
Trans lunar injection.
Lunar orbit and docking with gateway.
Undocking and lunar landing.
So a lot to do and a lot that can go wrong.
The amazing thing with these test flights is how smooth the launch operations are. No aborts, no partial failures, no malfunctioning engines, etc. It's all smooth. Same for hot staging etc. As if they've been doing for ages.
The camera coverage by SpaceX just keeps getting Better & Better. The number of cam angles on this catch were amazing ! Yea, there were a few anomalies on this flight, mostly w/ re-entry heating, but these problems should be relatively easy to fix given what SpaceX has been thru to date.
I'm curious what the next move will be and where on Planet Earth do they plan on catching a StarShip.
In Australia
@@varythings Sounds about right. Orbital Refueling will be exciting as well !
Pretty sure the plan is to catch it back in texas. That way, they could rapidly reuse it.
@@swiftnicknevison4848 The Orbital mechanics involved in launching & Landing (or catching) at the same location is really going to extend the mission. Australia will likely be that location as SpaceX has recently applied w/ the Australian gov & Space agencies to do business there. It's just a few more minutes of flight to Australian land using the same route that IF-5 flew.
Things that appear easy to fix at first sight are often the most stubborn problems.
I was looking forward to the catch attempt to be "exciting" but was unprepared for it to be successful.
I know, what a letdown! 😉
This is definitely what the majority of people was thinking, I personally believe Musk is now using his Grok AI to calculate all the physics involved to have success
If that catch attempt had not been successful it would have been infinitely more than "exciting." It would have been an explosive disaster that likely would have set the Starship program back by a year or more as SpaceX and the FAA sifted through all the wreckage to determine what mitigation will be necessary before the program can continue. The FAA is not SpaceX's enemy but their best partner, and when they issue a license to fly SpaceX is ready to fly.
@@wes9627 the FAA (rocket side) is useless. All it does is spend public money, create fake jobs. Just like a tumor.
@@wes9627 Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think it would have been quite that dire. There have been some major explosions upon landing at the Starbase in the past, and many more explosions of the Falcon 9 before SpaceX managed to get that working right, and I don't recall there having been year-long delays between each of those incidents. The delay would depend on what gets damaged or destroyed, and of course there is a second tower that is nearing completion, in order to mitigate this risk.
Love having my three favorite analysts team up for a fun and informative breakdown of one of the greatest space events ever. Each of you brings a unique perspective with a nice splash of humor.
Thank you!!!
I started watching scott like 10 years ago watching Kerbal space program, then Marcus about 2 years ago during the hopper tests. Brand new viewer to fraser cain. Subbed to all 3 now. Thanks for the chat!
all three are amazing but i still like fraser channel the best just because you get every single space related news. and all breakdown per ea goings on are always detailed and fully explained (so great!)
I first saw Scott when he cameo'd for Door Monster in the finale of their Kerbal skits. Good times...
Absolutely love it when you guys get together and brainstorm! One addition I would like to see is Felix from WAI chiming in also. I follow all four channels religiously lol
My wise engineering director used to say: "You know a system is mature when you are NOT surprised that it works". Starship is definitely not mature, but it got a lot closer on Sunday.
Thanks and enjoyed the discussion. Just funny that @54:44, after nearly an hour... "I'm at a loss for words."
There is tremendous value in the opinions, observations and speculations from the 3 of you
Fraser, just brilliant that you can herd these two cats and break down these events for us!
Looking forward to the full orbit and two catches.
I figured they would crash at least one or two before they caught one. I was wrong.
Why were you so pessimistic?
@@prasah18 This isn't pesimism. Completely natural to think that it would take a few tries.
I agree. I figured they would fail forward to success. After all, Elon always says failure is an option.
@@prasah18 i would say it's an understandable take.
In my case i just based my optimism on the fact they've been landing falcon 9's as if it was just parking your car at home, that easy. That's why i thought they'd first try this thing, they've learned so much and their booster landing ift 4 was nearly perfect too.
After the first booster exploded in the atmosphere, they crashed the next three perfecting the maneuvers required for a mechazilla catch landing. So 4 crashes and one successful catch.
This was the civilian equivalent of "shock and awe," the sudden imposition of a new reality. Fortunately, this kind comes with exuberant relief rather than the other thing, a sense of having turned a corner into that better future we had barely dared to hope for. It's as if the world cried out, "Somebody pinch me to see if I'm dreaming!"
Someday there will be launch loops or mass driver cannons to efficiently put bulk materials into orbit to be caught by construction crews. However, this is the first time you could calculate approximately how many launches for how much money it would take to put up the panels and girders to build modest but real O'Neill Cylinders or dodecahedron type rotating space stations, and not come up with an absurd number. This is literally the dawn of industrial-grade space infrastructure, and the first time it seemed like "just a matter of working out a few kinks in the system" to have that working for us.
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Great “fire place chat” very informative and super useful to feed our hunger for understanding things more in detail! Congrats to the three musketeers of space flight
The late gimbaling move with Starship seemed to mirror SuperHeavy Boosters translation of moving in toward Mechazilla, so potentially a planned maneuver to mirror it's translation into the catch arms.
They would want to test that maneuver
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It's an awesome step. However, this step does not come close to the Eagle's successful landing on July 20, 1969.
Staggeringly awesome. They are going to learn so much from this flight! Can't wait for #6!!
Especially from physically examining the lower stage. It helps a lot to actually get the hardware back. But I'm not sure how much they can learn from the upper stage splash down, especially about the thermal protection system, since they have to infer things from telemetry and limited on board camera footage only. Hard to infer how well the various ceramic tiles were holding up. Elon Musk said on Twitter recently he hopes the upper stage will be caught early next year.
Not so quick, the booster hasn't been reused, the starship has just polluted the ocean. Nothing has been delivered to space
@@loftismark I think they'll land with the hot staging ring and do orbit/deorbit on #6. They should deploy a few Starlink satellites, too.
Me: ****throws ball up in air to self -- misses catch****
Space X: ****launches mobile skyscraper into space --- catches it with chopsticks upon return to earth****
These conversations are AMAZING
SpaceX own close up footage is just amazing! A kid falls from space and you safely catch him in your arms 🙂
The close-ups of the Mechazilla arms functioning was brilliant.
The fact they landed the booster first go this early in the test campaign (this is ONLY flight 5 after all) speaks volumes. The amount of data and knowledge they will get off the recovered hardware will accelerate development so so well. Fingers crossed they can recover a ship soon!
I think Scott is correct with the nozzles overheating and need to be cooled, but let’s remember rapture three has inner cooling capability that may be more active throughout the landing, which is why musk said it’s an easy fix.
So stoked to see this pop up on my feed today, I love these post-Starship launch discussions.
I'm glad you guys are collaborating, it really enhances the content. Not many people have the confidence to set their egos aside like you have, so kudos to each of you!
It helps them all. I discovered Scott's channel through these
36:30 "as you americans say".... Ahem...
"All engines running, Houston, we've cleared the tower!" I got Apollo vibes from this launch, felt like I had the 1960s commentary by Walter Cronkite in my ears!
Yeah, this may not have been quite first moon landing territory, but that was before I was born... This is happening right now, and represents an enormous upheaval in how rocketry is done, both in terms of potential payload mass and cost savings, that will lead to massive changes and a vast expansion of space industry.
The fifth flight of the Saturn V got people in orbit and space X is still figuring out how not to get melted.
@@FT91-z5j Well it's a completely different vehicle. Starship could easily go to orbit, that's not even a problem, but instead they wanted to test the heat shield for reusability. The Saturn 5 program cost nearly a Trillion dollars, and left us with no technical legacy, apart from flags and footprints. If that's all you want, SpaceX could achieve the same result as the Saturn 5 for maybe 20% of the cost, but that's not the mission. The mission is to get 100T to orbit and reuse the vehicle so we can actually setup bases on the Moon and Mars, something Apollo could never do. So, it's a stupid comparison to be honest.
@@TallinuTV 100% agree, but man, I had the Apollo liftoff commentary in my head, I've watched those launches so many times haha. The guys in the 60s knew how to overdramatise it, mush to my glee.
@@aldunlop4622 your arguments are ridiculous.
Apollo flew with a Crew on his fifth flight and Starship struggles still to not burn up at the re-entry so how you can compare a system that has worked to something that might will. You don't know how many tests spaceX will need to get a starship back from
Orbit and reuse that ship and booster safely in a reasonable amount of time.
What if they need 10 more years?
Furthermore starship can't go higher than low earth orbit without refueling.
So last time I checked they needed around 20 Tanker missions to orbit to get a single starship to the moon.
So do you really believe that it's that big of an achievement to land a booster and blow up starship with the knowledge of the last 60 years compared to the Apollo mission that hadn't any way to source knowledge to produce anything.
Space X can literally look up anything that NASA knows to learn from their mistakes. To compare the cost of the Apollo program to space X makes me laugh because without Apollo and the space shuttle SpaceX had to spend a trillion like you mentioned.
11:30 - Starship Booster on reentry: "LEEEEEEEE-ROY JENNNNNNNKINS!"
The fact that SpaceX caught the booster on their first try speaks volumes about what the possibilities are. Clearly, it is likely that this will become commonplace.
I was anxiously awaiting the lively conversation with you 3 as it has become a tradition and it did not disappoint. The the ‘this is the end, what’s left’ maybe not every starship launch going forward will warrant a debrief like this but maybe just big milestones or setbacks. EG lunar orbit, orbital refueling, ship catch, a major failure with complex consequences. Keep them coming if it makes sense. Y’all will know what’s best.
The amazing shot was the booster blowing through its own contrail and blazing right into the arms. Bravo!
Thanks for putting this together. Was very happy to see it pop up in my stream. Sad to hear it might be the second last one, but have to agree, it does feel like it's not very far away from being operational. Still will be amazing to see it every time for quite some time though.
I love the starship development but there is a problem as Scott explained. If you look at the residual fuel left in both rockets and you consider they are flying no payload whatsoever, the current configuration would be likely to only put 10 to 20 tons of payload in orbit. It's pretty easy to see the problem with both ships showing basically empty when they have completed their respective jobs. They have significant work ahead to get 150 tons to orbit!
Amazing catch/launch. Amazing conversation between three of the world's top tier space reporters. Thanks for bringing this together, Fraser, and thank you Scott & Marcus for collaborating.
This was perhaps the most impressive engineering achievement in decades, and media in my country (Norway) largely ignored the whole thing. They don't like Elon Musk, so they don't want to publish any positive news about him and any of his companies. This test flight took me on an emotional rollercoaster, and I was left speechless when it was over. I couldn't believe what I have just seen. It's so sad for me to know that most of my countrymen have no idea this ever happened.
Let;s be clear the engineers at SpaceX did this.
@@moochydacatwhich is owned by Elon Musk
@@moochydacat I am not disputing that, but that also includes Elon Musk, since he is the Chief Engineer over there. It was his idea to ditch the landing legs and catch it with the tower. Very few companies would have risked trying to do this in the first place, but it has something to do with him also being the CEO.
Yah it's too bad that Elon is a right wing nutbag, BUT he had the vision, and he spent the billions to see his vision through. He hired Gwynne Wellshot, and she is able to get the right people, and most importantly, she is able to keep talented people.
@@moochydacat those engineers would have nothing to do without Musk.
I attempted to like this several times after I already liked it at the very beginning... My three favorite space minds all deciphering the chemistry and physics of the latest spaceflight feat! Thank you guys so much for your continued contributions to this community, it brings me and many others so much joy. Look forward to the next one!
From Portugal. You 3 are the best. Please do It again. Thanks
These conversations are the highlight of every Starship Launch!! I don't think this is the penultimate one you've got more than one milestone to come (Catching the ship, Reusing the booster/ship, V2, V3, Rapid cadence, Catching/launching at sea, Launching in one place and catching in another etc)
Always enjoy listening to the three amigos.
After that successful launch and catch, I could not wait for my favourite UA-camr's to debrief this! Love the content that you all put out and cheers for Fraser being a fellow Canadian too!
I watched it live,I was in tears of joy when they caught it. I'm listeninng to you guys and watching it again and again, I'm still getting emotional. I tweeted to X to Elon , whether he would have seen it or not, "Elon, you are a steely eyed missile man", it was fantastic... lets go to Mars.
Bravo Fraser, you’re an amazing host and interviewer 👏🏼 I appreciate how you’re able to guide the conversation with thoughtful prompts and questions. Keeping the conversation on track and on tempo whilst allowing your guests freedom isn’t natural for most people.
The awesome treesome...... 💪 My favorite nerds 💪👍🙂
very cool having you all 3 chatting about my favorite spaceship, awesome content can't wait to see the next one.
Saying the Starship up there was routine after only 3 times in space was hilarious! I agree though lmao! What a time to be alive! I sure wish I could see 100 yeas from now!
I cried. It was a truly transcendent accomplishment. There is no shame in crying through awe.
I was waiting for this one 😁
This is a fantastic and very insightful series of talks. Don't stop and please continue!
13:21 oh hi mach!
@@jfryk nice
Many thanks! A brilliant discussion of an outstanding event. A susprising treat seing both Scott and Marcus on this channel (subscribed to both)
Perhaps they need to add a re entry burn to reduce the melting damage the super heavy received.
I doubt it. I was watching Starship Gazer extreme closeup zoom of the engine section today, and it looked quite good actually.
Great discussions here. Love it whenever you guys sit down for a chat.
Do you think SpaceX should add an entry burn to Super heavy?
It's impossible to know without knowing all the data.
I was looking forward to this video! Thanks!
I’m here for Scott Manley
Absolutely love the three apostles when they come together on frasers show,just let scott have a say with questions sometimes after markus as they they both work in order as they both bring the conversation together with your questions,another great interview,cheers from nzl..
A segment with Scotty and Marcus, wow man, this night can't get any better.
My two go-to channels for anything space related, Marcus and Scott! Great discussion, thanks a lot!
sounds like we need a tower in australia
Won't need one once it goes to orbit.
@@aldunlop4622 Oh yes they will, if they ever want to launch (and catch!) Starships from Down Under!
@@Wordsmiths I think the point of his comment was that the Starship landed in the ocean off Western Aus, and if they had a tower there, they could've caught it. Nut as an Aussie, I agree, we have plenty of good launch site potentials. Bowen in Northern Queensland already has a site, as does the Northern Territory. But if you think the FAA is a paid in the ass, Australian regulations on everything would drive you mad.
Great episode. I'm subscribed to 4 space related UA-cam channels, these 3 and WAI. You should do this more often. In addition to saving me time, it's more informative and entertaining. 3 different backgrounds, 3 different degrees, and 3 different perspectives. Thanks for all of your hard work
I would enjoy it more if Fraser would rewatch this broadcast and see that he was much more anxious asking a wordy questions! You are very frustrating to listen to yourself and not letting your quests speak more!
Could you take questions from viewers would be great!
I think he is fine, but I'd like a more conversational approach than this formal interview style.
One of my favorite parts was super heavy passing its outgoing exhaust cloud on the way back. That's one detail i never realized or thought of happening. I know its such a small thing but its like a reality check seeing it for the first time ever. Oh and the sunrise in the background was the perfect touch!
Prison for Elon is next with any amount of justice.
A common red flag 🚩🚩 of a low iq person on the Internet: not being able to separate an achievement of SpaceX, the company, and opinions of Elon Musk, the person
Wait til someone reveals to you what kind of person US owes its space program to begin with
For what?
There are thousands of engineers that should be celebrated, even if you disagree with the behavior of the CEO. They'll percolate out to the rest of the space industry over time and rejuvinate it.
@@frasercain There's no reasoning with this kind of people, they are so obsessed with being on the right side of history they'd happily burn down every single good thing Musk ever touched just because his opinions are (legitimately) problematic. Wait til they hear what kind of person US owes its space program to begin with
There is no justice in this world; and we have few laws to fit his crimes.
Thank you! The best space reporters in the biz! ❤
Thanks for a wonderful analysis of the revolutionary history we are so fortunate to be witnessing, my 3 favourite presenters are a formidable team. Well done Fraser, Scott and Marcus, I’m eagerly waiting for your flight 6 team analysis.
Three of my favourite sage voices and I agree with your comment about chemistry. There was a poll on Tim Dodd's channel in the preflight and I chose, "probably abort" out of three possibilities (but then switched over to the SpaceX X feed as it was less busy and good quality HD). In other words, guessing that it might reach the command phase but one of the many systems would fail the checklist and cause a last-minute abort. I could hardly believe my eyes, watching it all come together.
Yeah, I've never seen anything like it.
I love these videos! The three of you work great together and the longer format means you have time to get into all the details which I love! Keep them coming!! 😎🚀
This was totally an awesome broadcast. Keep them coming!
The alignment pins on the mount are probably more for lining up the gas ports to start the outer ring than it is for putting it boost on the mount in general
What an Incredible insight from these very knowledgeable gentlemans. Thank you. Keep them coming please.
I really enjoy these analysis videos!! Keep them coming
Three of my favorite voices in one show is the best. Always have enjoyed this
The catch was insane. Cant believe it. Still grinning.
Love having you three together for the recap.
Just an awesome breakdown of flight 5. Thanks mate 🍻
Thank you guys. always love to hear you three.
Love this collaboration series! Keep it up!
Well said. Absolute agreement.
Awesome collab and great to see. Thanks for putting together and sharing this with us!
First of all I love these get togethers post ITFs!! second: my favorite bit of the booster catch is when the booster "wobbles" between the chopstics as it is lowering. Like it really reminded me that (besides being rocket science) this is indeed a vehicle, a mechanical being with its inherent flaws , vibrations, tollerance to faults, its phisical essence... idk but it looks like its complex but definetly a challenge human ingenuity can take on and complete.. Exciting!!
Great video, Thanks!
THE Terrific TRO always a great vid , so much info to absorb really look forward to you all collaborating !!!!!
So good to see you three discussing this. I hope it's a regular spot for space-firsts! 👍💪🙏
kudos to Fraser. This group says volumes to you as a journalist/utuber/podcaster.
Love these breakdowns. Super informative and decent length. Thanks guys.
Great discussion guys, keep it up!
You guys are great together.
It is always interesting to hear Scott’s insights
Another great report from you three! It's one thing to watch the event as it happens, and it's another great value-added to hear intelligent analysis and perspective from multiple sources and perspectives. It's only the two things that seem to me to give the whole story. Thanks immensely!
And please let's not hear about any thoughts of retirement just yet. I can't quite envision SpaceX ever "settling in" to just a status-quo type of operation. We've only begun to get basic handles on spaceflight. And we can't really grasp what's still beyond our reach, but only to see our limits. Surely we can see that those limits are not adequate to our dreams?! So I expect there's going to be plenty of boggling to be done in time to come, and I hope you'll help us to do it!
Thank you for doing these! Keep them up!
What a great event! Great post! Enjoyable comenttary! I think the sideways finale approach was to ensure the booster could overfly the landing zone down to the last seconds.
Being older and having watched the progress of early NASA has reminded me that being directly involved in the top tiers of engineering inspires a confidence level that's hard to understand for those uninvolved in the subject. Taking the next step is risky but intuitively we manage our wandering around without worrying to mush about stumbling. When confidence is HIGH, it's not hard to say, GO FOR IT. You three are not the ones uninvolved, but most of the onlookers are and their question is, how the hell is it possible? My father told me that nothing stays the same. I pondered for some time and realized that that fact was evident on an hourly basis. What decisions in the upcoming hours throughout the spacex complex will we see put in play that furthers their confident level even higher? Oh my!
The 3 of y’all together is always epic
As you alluded to at the end Frasier, we have the team at SpaceX to thank for backing themselves and shunting the window of discourse of what is possible. I hope current and future generations keep that faith and use it for the benefit of all. Great inspiring video as always.