Eastern Orthodox Theology: with Frederica Mathewes-Greene
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Eastern Orthodox Theology
Americans tend to divide the Christian religion into two camps: Protestant and Catholic. But there's a third branch called "Eastern Orthodox" that consists of 260 million members worldwide. Many evangelicals have converted to Eastern Orthodoxy, including "the Bible Answer Man," Hank Hanegraaf. CS Lewis found the church intriguing. Yet many evangelicals know hardly anything about it. And the mystery makes us skeptical.
A few months ago, I read a book by Frederica Mathewes-Greene about Eastern Orthodoxy. It was beautiful. Her journey took her from Catholicism to Mainline Protestantism to Charismatic to Eastern Orthodox, where she has found her home. I don't think we should be skeptical of our differences; we should be inspired by them. I think you'll be inspired by her. We're interviewing her tonight on Remnant Radio, 8:30pm Live.
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I'm so glad you've interviewed Frederica! She's a wonderful voice in the world of Christianity ❤
I am impressed with the humility of this faith. I also like the fact that nothing changes and it is stable...unlike the current evangelicalism which often are nothing but sensuality cults...like Bethel and Hillsong.
She's a sweetheart. Do I doctrinally agree with Orthodoxy? Doesn't matter. She's living the love of Christ better than I do.
The minute she opens her mouth I feel calm. She's a gem!
I would really like to think (know) that my son, who is with the Lord, is praying for me. That would be a huge comfort!!!
I really like about 90% of what she is saying. I've been curious about the Orthodox church for a while. I have this burning sense that something isn't right in the Church in the West. I think we need to be more literate in the writings of the Church fathers. I do appreciate her addressing mistakes made by Augustine. I think a lot of our Western errors could be ameliorated by returning to a pre-Augustinian theology. I think the hero of the Trinitarian debates led us astray in other areas.
Please be encouraged to visit your local parish, speak to the priest, attend the liturgy and Bible study. Christianity is based on discipleship, so the priest should be able to mentor you on readings. Just please don't over think it.
I think your perception is correct.
Your on the right track. Re orient to the East
Wow I have been having the same sense in the last several years.
I second the call to visit your local parish for Vespers or a Divine Liturgy. Almost every Orthodox parish is happy to have visitors and will welcome you. Most also have hours of fellowship after the Liturgy, wherein you can meet the whole Church if you'd like, or just the Priest and deaconate if you'd prefer that.
This is so interesting. I’ve never heard anyone from Eastern Orthodoxy talk about their faith. My only experience is when I attended my nephew’s christening in a Greek Orthodox Church. Oh and I’m probably your only listener who knows the They Might be Giants song. I still have the tape.😉
Stephanie Beckett - not the only one - Love TMBG 😆
@Carah Dawn 😀
You should learn about it. It is/was the true church. Not the fragmentation and confusion of the Protestant faith.
I feel that most of them just speak a language I am not fluent in, they worship in that language, their culture is so very different. It's not that I dislike them but I don't know how to fit in or integrate.
I’m just about to listen to the podcast but I’m guessing it’s the one about “Istanbul was Constantinople…” ? Love The Might be Giants-saw them in person the 80:!
Maybe you could arrange to interview Abbot Tryphon of All-Merciful Savior Monastery (Russian Orthodox) in Washington state? He is a warm, deeply spiritual man who also serves as a police chaplain. He has several videos on UA-cam.
The official designation of Eastern Orthodoxy is - Orthodox Catholic.
The 1st Churches, Constantinople, Antioch, Alexandria and Rome had as Fredericka mentioned Head Bishops , Father Leaders , Patriarchs ( in the Hellenic a language )
The role of the Patriarch of Rome ( The Pope ) was established as 1st amongst equals , during their councils ( meetings )
( Collectively decisions were made to resolve , Universal Church matters, issues, clarification and common streamline belief and the Truth and the defence of the truth ).
The Church of Constantinople had a special position within the Holy Church , because Emperor Constantine with his mother Helen ,legalized Christianity and appointed Constantinople, the Centre and name Constantinople - New Rome and it’s Patriarch, - The Ecumenical Patriarch ( House Father Leader ) and the Patriarch of Rome the head Mediator, Spokesperson if you will during these Great Councils.
Jurisdiction also came into play, however contrary to what Fredericka stated, according to the Holy Church Canons- rules/laws/ regulations- there is a unique and distinguished position of the Church of Constantinople, it IS the Ecumenical Patriarchate without debate or doubt. This has been established canonically centuries ago in the 1st 300- 400 years of the Church’s existence.
Once the Great Schism occurred with Rome - The Catholic Orthodox/. Eastern Orthodox Church appointment the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople as 1st amongst equals -
Let’s not demean His All Holiness’s vital role within the Great Holy Church.
Eastern Orthodoxy is focused on Salvation and Thanksgiving focused and sources from Scripture and it’s instructions to succeed in Salvation
Baptism, Communion, Confession, Holy Trinity the all important role in our Beloved Theotokos - Mary , the idol human being that all humans strive to be , since she was chosen by GOD.
Charlemagne was the cause of the split establishing the Bishop of Rome by force to have infallibility for Charlemagne’s interest - remember , the Eastern Roman Empire still existed , very populous and wealthy .
It was the continuous threat of Islam , violent Crusades ( the 4th causing irreversible repair ) leading to its ultimate fall , is what was the official start of the Roman Catholic Church, since the Constantinople was sadly in the hands of the Ottomans, without any help from its brother in the west - The Church of Rome -
All of the above should have been reviewed in great detail , in order to assure that the audience understands the Eastern/ Catholic Orthodox Church
Thank you for your patience.
I find it amusing that the protestant church.. all 30,000 secs like to go to the "refrigerator " vis a vis the New Testament (which the Orthodox Church wrote) and grabbing what satisfies them. Then complain about the bread and wine!
Blame church from 300s-400s for taking home churches away and making church a place and a time.
@@Kintizen facepalm
@@OlympicLeprechaun facepalm? How the Catholic and Orthodox only happens the 400-500. Meaning peas of the same pod. Not only that, the Protestant Movement was to take the church back to 350-450 ideas. All three branches of the church are influenced by the same people of that time and their Theology. Which is already far different than the Disciples were teaching.
I think the translation of Romans 5:12 of “because” instead of “through” is unwarranted. The preposition δια followed by the genitive (which it is in this case) indicates place or medium, meaning “through” or “by means of.” In order to get the causal translation, δια would need to be followed by the accusative. Interesting perspective on that issue though.
At 28 minutes into the video, the speakers get into the role of the Patriarch of Constantinople compared to the Pope. The classic idea in Orthodoxy is that the Patriarch of Constantinople is only the head of his own Turkish/partial-Greek Church, and not over all EOs. The Orthodox idea is that there are numerous self-headed autocephalous churches, each headed by their own patriarch or council, depending on the specific church, eg. Serbia has a Serbian Patriarch, Ireney. Neither Patriarch Bartholomew, nor the Serbian Patriarch Ireney administrates or rules or directs the other, since they are each independent.
Once you look into it you’ll find out that Catholicism and Protestantism as western Christianity are infinitely closer theologically and in overall mindset than Eastern Orthodoxy is to either of them. True Christianity is an Eastern Religion, and Christ can’t be put into the rigid Western box that was created much later.
When she talks about people wanting new things that were never seen the first thousand years she's talking about protestantism guys.
I know most comments are deeply theologically or deeply angry lol Just wanted to say she has a tattoo? Nice! Looking to get one myself one of these days
Any denominations where the movement is to "throw rocks" and precision is the most important thing is troubling. 😬 The need for precision is why reformed folks can't be contemplative. The dynamism is the point!!! God is living and active and cannot be found in dogmas. The Holy Spirit is like wind. He moves. The Trinity flows into each other.
I hear
Disappointing talk. Zero historical context given behind the original text of Creed (to refute Arian and Docetic heresy) and the addition of the filioque clause, to refute heresy which arose under a resurgence of Arianism in Spain and was then adopted later by the Catholic Church. To discuss this topic without addressing these background issues leaves one with a very rough pencil sketch when I was expecting a Van Gogh. And the attempted explanation of the Orthodox understanding of Original sin was terrible. Lovely lady (I have her audio book) but not the best person to have on to explain Orthodoxy in terms of its theology.
These guys are lost . She is a light bearer
do Not say 'man'
“ I had an experience “ should automatically = 🚩 alert 🚨…
We should always test the spirits. But rejecting all experiences just because would leave us doubting most of Acts and even Pentecost.
I know imagine actually experiencing God?. How crazy.
The early Christians did not .solurround themselves with religious art to bow before .
It shows some ignorance when a protestant would accuse an Orthodox believer of being a heretic when the Catholic/Orthodox church were the ones that combatted the heretics, including Calvin.
So is she saying that there was a point in pre-history, before time began, in eternity, that there was no son and spirit. That at some point they proceeded from the father. If so I would have to disagree because when I read the Bible I see a God that never didn’t exist in three persons. The begotten and inheritance language is more about status than any kind of chronological language. A lot of our confusion over this matter is because are languages cannot describe eternal things or things not spatially bound.
That is precisely what she is NOT saying. Arius of Alexandria, the heretic refuted by the Council of Nicea, said "There was a time when the Son of God was not". That is not true and is denied by Orthodoxy. Likewise, the Holy Spirit has ALWAYS proceeded from the Father.
This lady is very nice, but unfortunately she has no CLUE or any UNDERSTANDING about Church history. She is not even a biblical scholar. She is just babbling along. How can she challenge our early church fathers like Augustine? I suppose Jerome who spent 23 years translating the hebrew & greek scriptures into The Latin Vulgate was also wrong. The KJV was translated from the Latin Vulgate. By the way, what ever happened to the Patriarchs from Canstinople? Oh, that's right its now Islam
She's a sweetheart. Do I doctrinally agree with Orthodoxy? Doesn't matter. She's living the love of Christ better than I do.
It’s good to be Orthodox.❤
Guys! Get fr Stephen de Young and Andrew Damick on the show😊
Love Lord of Spirits podcast!
I think a more precise language for the issue of original sin would be; we are born innocent, yet “predisposed to sin”. So that when we understand we have choice, at whatever age, we are predisposed to make rebellious choices.
I always see it as being born into slavery, thus behaving like slaves; so need to be rescued and then adopted.
Did not God's people and later the Church (over centuries of time) decide which was inspired Scripture and which was not? After all the Bible was not a book that just descended from heaven and given to us. So, the question is, "Where does the ultimate authority lie - with the Church or the Scriptures?".
The description says that Eastern Orthodox as the third branch of christianity... Which is historically not true. Eastern orthodox was the one and only before the great schism in 1054 AD.
Wonderful interview!! I learn so much from Frederica…. When discussing “ born into sin” vs “ born with a broken spirit” ( that can lead us to sin) the word that comes to my mind would be predisposition…. We are not born a sinner but because of Adam’s sin, we are predisposed to sin… would this be accurate in your opinion?
Really enjoyed this!
Why is there a physical barrier between the Greek church and Catholic Church in Capernaum?
I can hear you
We were born with a volitional nature, as from the beginning, we have the freedom to choose good or evil; that which aligns with God or that which deviates from Him. We cannot do good such that we justify ourselves before God. Neither can we do enough evil that will separate us any further from God than we already are because we fall short of His glory and are already separated from Him.
We need Jesus to justify us as righteous before the Father, but we do not have a sinful nature.
Theology based on Latin? (Vulgate). All translations I have read are from the original languages, not the Latin Vulgate.
This could have been twice as along! Thoroughly enjoyed the conversation!
The Churches of the Apostles worked together until Rome split off and became a political power. The Protestants come from the revolt to this political power, but they(Protestants) are generally fragmented and confused because they are basically Catholic in their foundation of their faith. Baptist, Calvinist, Lutherans and so forth are trying to put together a puzzle that they don't understand. They are confused.
Rich Smith I would strongly oppose this interpretation Buddy. The protestant church is rebelling against the standards of authority that the Roman Catholic Church hides behind. The protestant reformation Address a foundational issue of the Roman Catholic Church. Protestants view everything differently because of the way they view authority.
Rich Smith The Postestants are nothing that you explained ! And no church even the Orthodox Church has a monoply on truth and no one alive can say who is closer to what the Apostles preached!
@@slojogojo2766 Wrong, the scriptures was what perserved from the Apostles. Protestants belief is based on the scriptures, not by man-made traditions that was evolved over centuries.
Nicely put!
@@slojogojo2766 they are absolutely that way. I was ex Protestant myself and a pastor. That’s why I left. It was so disorganized and confusing everyone literally has their own beliefs. It’s a mess.
Ephesus you forgot ephesus
ευχαριστώ!
The Apostle John in 1 John 2, makes this assertion:
26 I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray.
27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit-just as it has taught you, remain in him.
Being a prostestant, I think that orthodoxy is not really on Jesus Christ . And why criticize the translation og energy to works. Think it stills applies to same point. Thanks sister and hope to hear from you again...🙏🌷🌈❤️
Orthodoxy is the faith of the Apostles. The Protestants are confused.
Rich Smith
Then why do you have images of Mary everywhere when we are told not to have such images the Apostles didn't preach such things you are hung up on who you THINK you are following, follow Christ and what he is saying the Holy Spirit is of Christ you keep stating you are following the Apostles.
The the gospel is being preached all over the world who do you think is doing that work?
How do a proper water baptism John the Baptist submerged the whole body like he did with Jesus I am pretty sure the Apostles did the same unlike the Eastern Orthodox Church!
@@slojogojo2766 You don't really know much early Christian history, do you?
@@slojogojo2766 we do baptism by triple immersion in the Orthodox Church. Also, the first Icons, of Christ and the Theotokos, were painted by Saint Luke the author of the Gospel of Saint Luke and Acts of the Apostles.
@@slojogojo2766 scripture says in the original language text the reality of the Holy Eucharist you say symbol going against scripture
(Truly enjoyed listening to Mrs Greens explanation! One suggestion would be to have a good EO Theologian on your show! Perhaps, someone like Jay Dyer or Norwegian Nous! Thank you!
While Jay Dyer is a fine person and he would make for an interesting guest, he's no theologian.
@@gaaraheater44 Please watch Mr. Dyer's video's,and other content on his website! What makes you think he is not a Theologian? Seriously, I am curious! More than a few theologians know he is Qualified! Is it that he converted from reformed to becoming Eastern Orthodox! Please watch his lessons on Theology and philosophy! In time you will have perhaps changed your assertion! Thanks!
Father Josiah or Brother Nathanael would be great
I have questions about the traditions of the Greek Orthodox Church. Why do the leaders need to wear the expensive robes and have special things they recite? Jesus criticized Pharisees that they also have rules, traditions and rituals. Jesus' message was of humility and Jesus spoke a different message than is in both the Greek Orthodox and Catholic Church.
I have witnessed Greek orthodox infant baptism. Terrible experience for the child... She was screaming most of the time and whimpering the other. Also she was naked.
Tõnu Rääk Really? My nephew was wearing my son’s baptismal outfit and they made him take it off, put on special clothes ( sorry but my husband and I called it a holy onesie) and then Put his outfit we lent to him on top of that. The ceremony was really long a s my nephew was screaming. My son’s Methodist baptism was scream free.
@@tourmaline7385 yes really. During the ceremony she was naked. The way they handled the screaming child... it was horrible in my opinion. Of course most others thought it was ok.
My cousin married a Cretan man. She is Estonian like me. It took place on the island of Crete.
Tõnu Rääk That poor baby! The ceremony I attended was in the United States. I’m not sure why but I had to carry my son around the baptismal font several times. He was a squirmy, heavy, toddler at the time and I was wearing heels. It wasn’t pleasant. The church was beautiful though.
Joyce, you ask some good questions, those which I had before entering Orthodoxy. I will address the vestments you mention.
First, I will address the quotation cited. Jesus is denouncing not the robes the Hebrew priests wear (especially of the Aaronic priesthood, because that was commanded in the OT; look at a picture of an OT priest on Google Images), but because they desired to wear it, they desired the best places in the synagogues, they desired greetings in the marketplace. It is about what you point out, humility, not what they wear. If he were denouncing the vestments themselves, he would be contradicting His own commandment. However, priests, ministers, pastors are not perfect, so you will find some who still desire to be admired and followed.
Additionally, there are several reasons an Orthodox priest wears the vestments: the priest in his role is an icon, an image, a re-presentation of Christ. Second, Orthodox worship centers around meeting God at the brink of heaven and earth to offer thanksgiving, and Christ, as our High Priest, will be clothed in glory (Exodus 28 prefigures this), thus, priests dress in a manner worthy of representing this. This understanding of the priests as icons of Christ is the reason 1) the priests occasionally praying differently than the congregation, and 2) why our churches are meant to look beautiful: we are entering into the mystical reality of heaven meeting earth. This is in continuity with God descending and meeting the people in the OT Temple, which itself was beautiful.
I hope this is helpful. If you are on Facebook, as almost everyone is, a good group for questions from Orthodox and non-Orthodox is "Ask an Orthodox Priest." Sometimes non-priests provide answers, but the priests will eventually get involved. Don't go off everything you hear (this includes myself!). Ask a priest who will know more. As with all congregations-Orthodox, Protestant, Roman Catholic-be aware sinners are called to the church, and thus you will find people of differing "levels" of love and patience.
Do you follow ALL the RULES of the EO religion.....fasting....sex....and such.....I did. The word of God changed me...not the RULES...Works.... I was born into the EO religion....stepfather was a chanter in the church. I was to marry a man who was going to become a priest.....I KNOW THE RELIGION.
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Wow I really enjoyed this! We can learn alot in the west by the EOC.
Roman Catholicism and Greek Orthodoxy , man made philosophy
albusai Maybe but don’t say that because that’s exactly what unitarians say.
lol what isn’t?
Protestantism is man made Philosophy. It is the cult of personality of Calvin and Luther. Orthodoxy is the faith of the apostles.
@@122222770 Apostles never preached nothing alike what Eastern Orthodox believes. Protestantism is Biblicism.
I would happily talk about each and every scripture and the Orthodox understanding but instead I will ask a question that could be answered in a lifetime: if Jesus appeared to you tomorrow and told you to become Orthodox could you humble yourself to accept the interpretation of the Church or would the content of your mind prevent you from listening?