@@zack-cg7cy if someone came knocking on your door one day and said he would not only be taking over your house but set up shop in the neighbourhood, would you just give up and walk away, or attack him?
Davy Tornado do what do you propose? An eye for an eye? If that’s the case Britain has too much to answer for. No, time to break the chain. I’m Jewish incidentally, and if any people in the world should know better, it should be us.
You come in and acquire land thru a system that the person who owns that land in their own system doesn't use, so you legally that's yours to you and the people using that system.
saying jews from europe have a right to citizenship in israel after 24 hours, thats like me living in scotland and then moving to ireland and claim citizenship (irish roots) makes no fucking sense
@@fafolaw pls, for starters that's in the past you can't change a thing about it, secondly everybody 12+ knows a thing about what happened to Jews in Europe.
because by conflating the two the zionists find their best weapon. If everything anti-zionist is anti-semitic in their eyes you can't criticise the Israel project in any way. its dangerous
akadeepsea most people don't distinguish Islam from Muslims it's not the same as Zionist from Judaism. you can be a Zionist and not even be Jewish or practice Judaism they are Christian Zionist for example. you cannot be a Muslim and not be practicing the religion of Islam. ie the belief in one creator
@allmapep: as weird as it sounds - one can be Jewish without practicing Judaism.. I mean, Jews are also a nation/people, and whether you're Jewish on not is determined by whether your mother is Jewish or not. it has nothing to do with practicing the religion
3:23 I couldn't believe Israel's head of the state said that, and then, I couldn't belive that woman's claim that it's not racist. For goodness sake, it's pure racism.
Earth+ but other non European countries have this exact mantra?! Japan for the Japanese, Africa for the Africans. Do u think Nigeria would allow an influx of middle eastern Arabs or Indian Hindus??! No. All you have to do is take a look at Israel’s surrounding countries and know that they follow the same belief. I don’t see Iran being overrun by the Chinese, for example. It’s simply because the world feel Jews owe them something. Europe’s misguided altruism is destroying the continent.
Not really. Inspite of the common missunderstanding, one can become Japanies through learning the language, culture, etc. It's true that they don't accept many refugees, but they do accept skilled migrants and let them become Japanies. And, regarding to Nigeria and Iran, both of them are developing countries with little attraction to migrants. So nobody immigrate to those countries.
I have seen on the TV news of late many of orthodox Jewish faith denouncing the state of Israel. You know,those blokes wearing long dark coats, big wide brimmed hats and side braided hair. Tell them they're being "Anti Semitic" 😂
It's like their only argument is "why you gotta focus on us." they're just full of themselves, that ain't true and if something is immoral it still is.
wow i can't believe what i'm seeing, a television program that actually tells the truth about israel's political actions that effect the opinions & criticisms of ppl around the world.
@Liz T All jews are not sémite. The khazars who converted To juddaism have no genetics roots with the hébraïque jew . They are not sémite . The sionistes are using the Word " anti semit " To stop any constructif débat because they want To impose their narrative . They do not respect the internationale law.
Who the hell cares if a Palestinian is a Semite? What does that have to do with anything... The definition of a Palestinian was what you call Israelis today and the definition of semites were Jews when that phrase was coined... It sounds like you have no arguments except semantics
@@fatimazenasni1880 Chinese looking Mongoloid AKA Kaiser khazarian are not in existence anymore and have not been for quite some time and are not in any Jews DNA that we have found, although they do appear in Chinese and Russian and even European DNA
like Islamophobia, people hide behind these stupid labels to hide their shame of their races historical and current behavior whilst claiming righteousness and a progressive identity, when nothing can be further from the truth , these people are some of earth,s most brutal people ever existed ,now they have methods of causing disaster,s without you ever seeing the white,s of their eye,s, i.e chemical and biological, financial, nuclear, special forces, terror squads, enslaver,s rape gangs etc all sanction by the state,s they hail from, but then they stand on world wide t.v and spew lie after lie about their innocence whilst negating their history and current actions, "the world has been handed to the wicked" and we can clearly see it when dealing with these groups and their allies
Well she didn't start this issue be honest. Its biblical that why its goes over ppl heads. All the land on the planet yet the world pays attention to a small strip of land in the MiddleEast.. Why?
She accused Livingstone of being a rabid anti semite. I think she put herself in position as the opposite then: a rabid semite. As well as the woman next to her.
None of these Brits remember the Balfour Declaration how convienant. "Bloody hell, did we doo thaa?" Yes I'm sorry to say that you were central to the creation of Israel. History has such a short memory
That's nonsense. Jews are - and have always been - an ethno-religious group. They are known as the Jewish people because that's what they have always called themselves: 'Am Israel', meaning 'People of Israel.' Jerusalem and the Land of Israel have always been central to Judaism. It's a religion about a particular land and a particular capital. That's why Jerusalem is mentioned hundreds of times in the Bible (but never in the Quran) and many times in traditional Jewish prayers, and in the Israel National Anthem - the only national anthem in the world that mentions Jerusalem.
@@philipskalla4312 Jews aren't special, get out of here with this bull... how's an Eastern Euro Jew with blond hair blue eyes a Semite! Are Ethiopian Jews also Semites? lol It's just a faith with different followers, but Zionists are purposefully conflating that the religion and race are one.
@@azmagaref That's completely untrue. Zionists do not claim that there is a Jewish race, but a Jewish people. And that is what the vast majority of Jews say. They have been calling themselves the People of Israel / Sons of Israel / Israel / the Jewish People for thousands of years. The Zionists did not invent those terms. As for your preoccupation with race and genetics and eye and hair colour - which was one of the chief preoccupations of the political group that tried to exterminate the Jewish People - I would like to see your explanation for the blonde hair and European features of the Palestinian icon Ahed Tamimi. Your initial statement - 'Jews aren't special' - gives away your real sentiment, that you hate the chosen people,.
Better question: how do you acquire land based on a fictional book, because in that fictitious book there’s a fictitious god saying he’s promising you a piece of land that already belongs to someone else????
@@philipskalla4312 lol So who were the non Jews living there before during the British mandate? There were British coins that had the word Palestine printed on them ya doOfus.
Why did the Jewish people chose Palestine? Why not ask for a state in Germany where their rights were eliminated, Why should the Palestinians have to bear this cross?
I'm told by people who remember it that in 1945 when the Holocaust was discovered, the feeling on the streets at least here in the UK was that the Jews *must* have somewhere of their own to live. People felt that this antisemitism crap had been going on since the fall of Jerusalem in 70AD, and that everything would be OK if the Jews went back to where their remote ancestors had lived 2000y before. It seemed the obvious answer. Unfortunately there were already alot of people of many cultures already living there in the Levant. I take your point, it might have been better if the Jews had been given sovereign territories in several different uninhabited places across the world. I'm sure there could have been Jewish sovereign states established in the remoter parts of North America, South America, in an uninhabited part of central Africa, and on uninhabited islands in the Far East, which would not have inconvenienced anyone else.
@@splinterbyrdif the jews needed their own exclusively jewish state they could've headed to Antarctica. Trying to create a racial state for jews in land where there are so many non jews is gonna cause issues
12:36 - what's he on about? People protest against inhumane action all the time. I'm against the needless killing of people in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Israel...people stand against America, Britain etc, but the minute you criticise Israel somehow that's anti-Semitic. Bollocks.
The Balfour Declaration was a single paragraph in a letter dated 2 November 1917 from the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour to Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland. It read: ''His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.'' The text of the letter was published in the press one week later, on 9 November ----->1917
Anti-semitism: hostility or prejudice against semites. All Arabs are Semites. Not all Jews are Semites. Many are nothing but Eastern European Khazars who converted to Judaism defying the teachings of their newly adopted faith. Former Israeli Minister Shulamit Aloni states that the labeling of people anti-semitic is a trick we always use it. ua-cam.com/video/D0kWAqZxJVE/v-deo.html Arabs are semites. Not all jews are semites. Se•mit•ic. ua-cam.com/video/XByfjcC2pyA/v-deo.html
@Liz T Identification with any religion, philosophy, ideology, race, nation, etc., invents the illusion of division and separation, which breeds conflict, violence, and suffering. As long as this illusion persists, there is no Love, no Peace, no Joy, no Kindness, no Goodness, no Compassion (Passion for All), no Beauty, no Creativity, no Feeling, no ExperiencING, no Lucidity, no Truth, no Wisdom, no Freedom, no Communication, no Communion, no Relationship with anyone or anything in daily life...none whatsoever. Only their limitations and imitations.
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@@michaelepstein2570 that is very stupid little boy... The term anti-semitism was coined to mean anti-jewish, the German and Italian anti-jewish parties who invented the anti-semitic party in their countries might have hated Arabs as well but they probably never saw one and they certainly did not mean Arab when they say that anti-semite and they never said some might they just said that they were anti-semite as a polite way of saying we hate Jews... Does that make any sense to you like could you get that through your thick skull?
@@tylermcquien8393 There are no Whites, no Blacks, no Yellows, no Reds. There are no Christians, no Jews, no Muslims. There are no Americans, no Russians, no Chinese. There are only human beings. Superficially, human beings are different but strip away that thin veneer and fundamentally they are the same. There is no your brain and my brain. Your brain is my brain. It doesn't belong to you or me. There is only one brain, the human brain, which has evolved for thousands of years and accumulated thousands of years of past conditioning. This conditioning invented the illusion of the I, the me, the self, the so-called True Self or Higher Self, which invented the illusion of division and separation between the me and the not me, making conflict, violence, and suffering inevitable. As long as this illusion persists, there can be no Love, Peace, Joy, Kindness, Goodness, Compassion (Passion for All), Beauty, Creativity, Feeling, ExperiencING, Lucidity, Wisdom, Communication, Communion, Relationship with everyone and everything, in each and every moment of daily life...none whatsoever.
Nicky continues to amaze me with his strength. How he doesn't explode in a fit of rage at these howling jokers is beyond me! Keep up the great work! It's a shame really, because there were the beginnings of some really good arguments being made and I would have loved to have heard them uninterrupted and learned from them, but I had a difficult time understanding the points and counter-points from either side and come away from it almost as uninformed as I went in. It seems to me that anti-zionism is clearly separate from antisemitism. That a lot of racists happen also to be anti-zionist seems akin to bigots being anti-Islam. It is not racist to criticize a religion or a government/regime, but when a set of people is closely associated with those entities (Arabs and Muslims on the one hand, and Jews on the other), sometimes critical rhetoric can be co-opted by racists and bigots.
To be a Jew is 1 a matter of race and also a matter of choice. As one can convert. One can't help being born into one race or another but to chose to follow an extremest cult is a flaw. Is real did not exist until t Jews came out of Sinai and slaughtered the inhabitants of the land of milk and Honey The establishment of the modern Jewish state had defined borders which have been expanded by violence. Also Jews always omit all the other people who suffered from the Holocaust.
religion is just a coverup people are still going to be fucked up, ultimately it's about power. but yeah, abolishing religion would certainly help in unraveling who's who in this, and who may the bad guys (i say all of them, all world leaders are psychopaths)
Is there any argument against Zionism that Zionists don't consider completely out of bounds? One of the women was indignant that a panelist called Israel "occupiers." Can we not at least agree on that statement? If you want to justify the occupation, I'm willing to hear you out. But when you outright deny that such a situation exists, I have to conclude that your aren't interested in a serious discussion.
In one way, its abhorrent that The right side of the argument goes into a raucous everytime Angela says something. But at the same time Angela seems to using Personal Anecdote as if it has Some Great meaning and is in someway quantitative evidence
If a man were accused of a serious crime, tried, and found guilty by a jury of his peers, we would find but little cause to put faith in a claim by him of persecution. However, if he insisted that the reason for his charge of misconduct was only because he believed differently than others, then we might grant him a second trial to assure ourselves he had not been the victim of injustice, believing with confidence that the people would not for a second time find an innocent party guilty of a crime that he did not commit. If, at the conclusion of the second trial by another jury of peers, the man is found guilty of an offence against the people, we have no reason to listen to or place belief in continued cries of persecution. What does this have to do with the Jew? Quite simple. Since the year 733 B.C., the Jews have, by their own records and count, been expelled from AT LEAST eighty-seven (87) countries, nations or political entities. Let's see now. Eighty-seven countries, eighty-seven people's courts, eighty-seven guilty verdicts, and eighty-seven cries of persecution. The first time, maybe. The second time doubtful. But to have been found worthy of expulsion by the people of AT LEAST eighty-seven different countries for crimes against the people of those countries? Such a claim stretches the limits of human credulity beyond its most liberal bounds of endurance. When one comes to the realisation of the fact that these different peoples in most of these cases did not know of each other, or for that matter had never even heard of the other's existence, and yet determined, independently, over a two-thousand-seven-hundred year span of time that the Jews were committing such serious crimes that it was necessary to uproot them lock, stock and barrel in order to drive them from their homes, many times with loss of life and great destruction of property, it is then and only then, that one can truly appreciate the gravity of their character.
This is kind of disheartening, seeing people not know the difference between Judaeism, Hebrew and Israel. Three unrelated things you can be.. Hebrew is the culture, Israelites are people living in israel and Jew is a religion. These people shouldnt be allowed to debate before they learn this.
i'm black, frm the south of the u.s. & nvr met a jewish person, but i'm anti-semitic for criticising a country for it's actions like we do every other countries.
Hugely Biased result i'm afraid. - Almost double speaking time was assigned to left team - Team on the right was generally cut off immediately the moment a member changed subject or moved goal posts - Team on the left were allowed to ramble and move the goal posts on several occasions, citing personal anecdote as if that applies to statistics, Gaslighting arguments, utterly avoiding all questions addressed to them It was only a matter of time before the particularly rowdy selection of individuals on the right would dissolve into raving. It feels almost designed to create the impression that one side was full of sensible and reasonable individuals and the other was filled with fanatics and lunatics and perhaps distract you from the fact that nothing of SUBSTANCE WAS SAID AT ALL Whether intentional or not you cannot overlook this The conversation should have started with the bishop and stayed with him, his point was never addressed which was supposed to be the topic at hand. waste of time
17:02 "Ken Livingstone was criticised from bringing Hitler into the conversation." "I'm Jewish." That's the same argument, that you're only allowed to use the N word, if you happen to be black.
The host is allowing to say more or giving chance to the left side more. And whenever the right side people wants to say something they interrupted constantly. This was not fair for the host to give chance to one side only.
Best argument Israel wants peace, yes a piece of this a piece of that. It’s in its very flag, it clearly represents the rivers in within Israel must expand.
At 13:54 Tony Greenstein says, No state has a right to exist ... Israel or Palestine has a right to exist as a state of its own citizens, not as a state of Jewish people wherever they live. That's fine! No Jew is allowed to be a citizen of so-called Palestine, whether under the Palestinian Authority or the Gaza regime. No Jew is allowed to be a citizen of the Kingdom of Jordan. So much for Greenstein's grandiose state of citizens! Israel is the only one of those four states/pseudo-states that could claim to be a state of its citizens, but is the one Greenstein chooses to castigate.
Civilian casualties from World War Two: Germany 350,000-500,000 Britain 70,000 USA 12,000 Military casualties from World War Two: Germany 5,300,000 Britain 384,000 USA 420,000 What does that prove? Are you saying that the Germans were the victims in World War Two and the British and Americans the aggressors?
@@philipskalla4312 I made no mention of victim or aggressor. Simply put the information out. You made the assumption as such, perhaps that’s your conscience. And in regard to your stupid comparison, I think it’s fair to say that the slaughter of German citizens, in say Dresden, is now viewed as heinous regardless of allegiance. I suggest you apply the same line of thought to the Palestinians 👌🏻
@@patrickmctoal The kind of figures you give are almost always accompanied by the stated deduction that Israel must be the aggressor and Gaza the victim, so I assumed that was what you meant too. I think any other reader would have understood your comparison the same way, and you would expect them to do so. If you think the Allied bombings were a 'slaughter', then presumably you must think the same about Gaza. Most people take the view that waging aggressive war is wrong, and that the countries targeted have the right of self-defence. That is what the Allies did and that is what Israel does, and that is why Germany has said consistently that it backs Israel's right to defend itself from attacks from Gaza.
To assert that the problem is religious makes it intractable, because it isn't. These are just people who are back by some power to take other people's land like they have always done!!
All shouting over each other, none listening to each other, no meeting of minds whatsoever, no changing of minds whatsoever. Dear God, please tell us what the answer is because I'm stumped.
@@tomatodamashi fair enough, i apologise, it was childish to point it out At the time though i thought it was funny because i have made the very same mistake with hyperbole.
Everything anti-Zionists say they hate about Israel and Zionism has to do with their Jewishness, but when they talk about destroying the Jewish state, their defence is that they are only talking about Israel, not about Jews! That's some hypocrisy.
If there is such a thing as "rabid anti-semite", then surely there's such a thing as a rabid semite. And, if so, I possibly spotted one or two in this segment. This whole issue comes from an inability to be introspective and say "hmmm, maybe we got it wrong there; maybe they are right.' And this applies to both sides of the debate. It's a case of having only one eye open.
it's simple to understand what this the Jew are saying and saying it clearly they won some land, what that means ? Do they have any right to hold to those land because they took them in a war ? Common sense said No . The US are right now holding territories that they took by war . Is it a right thing to do? what example they give ? How can it's allowed a mediator who's in the same time happen to be doing the same thing .
I agree. The US is the biggest hypocrite and has always been the most barbaric corporation spreading its capitalist version of "democracy" by bullying other states.
I can't understand why people defend religions, especially one's that multilates young children at birth. Most religions make people behave in strange ways, some of them I find abhorrent.
Jews are Jews by bloodlines can't help that .Jews following an ultra orthodox cult that they have a choice in . Hitler killed Jews on the basis of bloodlines not religion so even a secular Jew or even a convert to Catholicism would be exterminated.no getting around that. But a religion that one can convert to no matter your race is a cult with all its horrible implications. Jews have been mistrusted because their loyalties were questioned and no matter how they were persecuted in the diaspora always seemed to come up with the money from their international network they remained foreign . Why after so much humiliation would a Jew stay in Spain France or Germany? Be cause they were money changers .and they made vast profits while living under the protection of European kings. Why on earth did they abandon their own land which they claim god had bequeathed them A lot of people died in WW2 and yet the Jews seem to think they were the only ones who suffered. My uncle in the RAF was also killed by the Nazis why is he not acknowledged by the Jews?
Mr Campbell, none is there to speak on behalf of Pak.. Mr Moshe shouldn't have made offensive remarks.. Was he right spitting his venom against us? Waiting your response.
This was bloody awful. No disrespect to the host, but the systematic shouting over every person who wasn't an anti-Zionist was a disgrace. In debates where one side so consistently fails to respect the right of self expression of the other side, I think there should be some sort of a penalty for them.
Greenstein won't be satisfied until Israel commits national suicide. Millions of Jews were murdered because they were prohibited to enter the Land of Israel. What Greenstein - as well as the two Israeli Israel-haters - would like to see is Israel becoming a Moslem-majority state - which would certainly be under Sharia law - in which Jews would be third-class citizens and stoned again when praying at the Western Wall, as they were before independence. The Law of Return would be amended to prevent Jews from immigrating and once again, Jews would be trapped in countries where they are persecuted. That's why I'm proud to say that I support Israel and the Zionist cause.
aside of my opinion about all that,........... lol, i have watched a 42 minute discussion between British.... the same people who actually caused the Israeli Palestinian conflict 70 years ago.... looool..... trolling cant get better.....history works in funny ways
So the clear result of this debate is that anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitic. Which is very logical. My observations are that the defence that the zionists always use are: why focus only on Israel’s actions when other regimes are doing bad things (diversion), the Arabs/Palestinians had their chance in 1947 to have a homeland but rejected the proposal (Palestinians had 100% of the land then zionists came from other countries and committed massacres and ethnically cleansed them, then offered them less than 50% of the land! Who on earth would accept such a proposal?!), Israel is not an apartheid because Arab Israelis have full citizenship rights (Arab Israelis are treated as second class citizens and the occupied Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza are simply treated like animals which Israel does not like to include in the equation but they have occupied them and controlled them for 70 years to date, so clearly an apartheid!), and they deny white phosphorous attacks and other atrocities they’ve committed (lie lie lie!). In a nutshell!
The fact that grown adults can’t hold a debate, as controversial as it is, without scream at and talking over one another is disgusting. Both sides have valid fact and working together is the only way to resolve these issues.
it turns out zionism is misunderstood, oh now i get it. i am thankful that these hebrew brothers & sisters were able to clear up the misunderstanding. 👌👍
The whole "Israel has a right to exist" argument is so stupid. So because a bunch of people want their own country, we should give them someone else's? Alright why don't we give the people of Taiwan a chunk of Nigeria? Why don't we give the people of Kurdistan a chunk of Australia? That's how dumb it sounds to give Israel a chunk of Palestine. Idc if it was their biblical homeland, it isn’t anymore.
Notorious antisemites were invited onto this show by the BBC such as Greenstein. There should be no platform for racists. Also Machover by appearing to justify and failing to condemn a tweet equating Israel with Nazism also seems to have demonstrated his antisemitic credentials
Is it just me or does 'defensively' conquering and occupying your neighbour seem like an oxymoron?
Usually countries attack other countries to counquer more land.
lolll
Israel was attacked by 5 countries the day it was founded, so it definitely was defensive.
Yep!
@@zack-cg7cy if someone came knocking on your door one day and said he would not only be taking over your house but set up shop in the neighbourhood, would you just give up and walk away, or attack him?
'We know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians.' - Nelson Mandela
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More now than ever before
Bullshit.
How the hell do you acquire territory through "defensive" action?
Do you think the Arabs have never aquired territories they had no right to..
Seems to me the muslims overran most of southern Europe in the past.
Davy Tornado do what do you propose? An eye for an eye? If that’s the case Britain has too much to answer for. No, time to break the chain. I’m Jewish incidentally, and if any people in the world should know better, it should be us.
If your country is attacked and you win the war, it's not that hard to understand
Why don't you asked Islam and there conquest
You come in and acquire land thru a system that the person who owns that land in their own system doesn't use, so you legally that's yours to you and the people using that system.
saying jews from europe have a right to citizenship in israel after 24 hours, thats like me living in scotland and then moving to ireland and claim citizenship (irish roots) makes no fucking sense
Lee Thomson Good point.
@@fafolaw ppaaaaaaa
You can do that though
@@fafolaw pls, for starters that's in the past you can't change a thing about it, secondly everybody 12+ knows a thing about what happened to Jews in Europe.
@@roy_for_real2674 And your point is...
Zionism is not Judaism and Judaism is not Zionism, they are two completely different things. Why is it impossible for people to make this distinction?
... you are about 1/4 right. Most Jews are also Zionists
dinorino2 How is that relavent?
because by conflating the two the zionists find their best weapon. If everything anti-zionist is anti-semitic in their eyes you can't criticise the Israel project in any way. its dangerous
akadeepsea most people don't distinguish Islam from Muslims it's not the same as Zionist from Judaism. you can be a Zionist and not even be Jewish or practice Judaism they are Christian Zionist for example. you cannot be a Muslim and not be practicing the religion of Islam. ie the belief in one creator
@allmapep: as weird as it sounds - one can be Jewish without practicing Judaism..
I mean, Jews are also a nation/people, and whether you're Jewish on not is determined by whether your mother is Jewish or not.
it has nothing to do with practicing the religion
3:23 I couldn't believe Israel's head of the state said that, and then, I couldn't belive that woman's claim that it's not racist. For goodness sake, it's pure racism.
Earth+ but other non European countries have this exact mantra?! Japan for the Japanese, Africa for the Africans. Do u think Nigeria would allow an influx of middle eastern Arabs or Indian Hindus??! No. All you have to do is take a look at Israel’s surrounding countries and know that they follow the same belief. I don’t see Iran being overrun by the Chinese, for example. It’s simply because the world feel Jews owe them something.
Europe’s misguided altruism is destroying the continent.
Not really. Inspite of the common missunderstanding, one can become Japanies through learning the language, culture, etc. It's true that they don't accept many refugees, but they do accept skilled migrants and let them become Japanies. And, regarding to Nigeria and Iran, both of them are developing countries with little attraction to migrants. So nobody immigrate to those countries.
I have seen on the TV news of late many of orthodox Jewish faith denouncing the state of Israel. You know,those blokes wearing long dark coats, big wide brimmed hats and side braided hair. Tell them they're being "Anti Semitic" 😂
It's like their only argument is "why you gotta focus on us." they're just full of themselves, that ain't true and if something is immoral it still is.
no it's not.
being against whites supremacists is also not racist.
being against black supremacists is also not racist.
Define Zionism. In your mind Zionism = Supremacy ?
@@abnett41 definitly nationalism, which is also problematic.
You'd think people could understand these simple things
Can you show us a black supremacist?
wow i can't believe what i'm seeing, a television program that actually tells the truth about israel's political actions that effect the opinions & criticisms of ppl around the world.
Nicky Campbell did an excellent job of moderating this debate.
So if a Palestinian (who's a Semite) says he's anti-Zionist, is he 'antisemite' too?
How pathetic!
@Liz T
All jews are not sémite. The khazars who converted To juddaism have no genetics roots with the hébraïque jew . They are not sémite . The sionistes are using the Word " anti semit " To stop any constructif débat because they want To impose their narrative . They do not respect the internationale law.
Who the hell cares if a Palestinian is a Semite? What does that have to do with anything... The definition of a Palestinian was what you call Israelis today and the definition of semites were Jews when that phrase was coined... It sounds like you have no arguments except semantics
@@fatimazenasni1880 Chinese looking Mongoloid AKA Kaiser khazarian are not in existence anymore and have not been for quite some time and are not in any Jews DNA that we have found, although they do appear in Chinese and Russian and even European DNA
like Islamophobia, people hide behind these stupid labels to hide their shame of their races historical and current behavior whilst claiming righteousness and a progressive identity, when nothing can be further from the truth , these people are some of earth,s most brutal people ever existed ,now they have methods of causing disaster,s without you ever seeing the white,s of their eye,s, i.e chemical and biological, financial, nuclear, special forces, terror squads, enslaver,s rape gangs etc all sanction by the state,s they hail from, but then they stand on world wide t.v and spew lie after lie about their innocence whilst negating their history and current actions, "the world has been handed to the wicked" and we can clearly see it when dealing with these groups and their allies
"I'm Jewish. I can do it." - Tells us everything we need to know.
that woman in blue is a real piece of work.
There's a special place in hell for people like her
Well she didn't start this issue be honest. Its biblical that why its goes over ppl heads. All the land on the planet yet the world pays attention to a small strip of land in the MiddleEast.. Why?
@@gman4074 ok then why treat the Palestinians so badly killing. bull dozing houses burning crops putting minors in prison as young as 6
No she tells the truth as is a brave woman. Racism has no place in the UK or the world
She accused Livingstone of being a rabid anti semite. I think she put herself in position as the opposite then: a rabid semite. As well as the woman next to her.
None of these Brits remember the Balfour Declaration how convienant. "Bloody hell, did we doo thaa?" Yes I'm sorry to say that you were central to the creation of Israel. History has such a short memory
Very aware but who could have foreseen the genocides that have been committed.
Clearly they weren't involved, weren't born, disagreed or think they made a mistake. And some Brits think Israël fine.
3:18 "Why don't they like us?!?! What have we done wrong?!?!?" LOL
28:17 "We're not a nation, we're a religion."
Well said.
That's nonsense.
Jews are - and have always been - an ethno-religious group.
They are known as the Jewish people because that's what they have always called themselves: 'Am Israel', meaning 'People of Israel.'
Jerusalem and the Land of Israel have always been central to Judaism.
It's a religion about a particular land and a particular capital.
That's why Jerusalem is mentioned hundreds of times in the Bible (but never in the Quran) and many times in traditional Jewish prayers, and in the Israel National Anthem - the only national anthem in the world that mentions Jerusalem.
@@philipskalla4312 If you can join and leave it, then it's a religion.
@@BedsitBob You can leave it because it's not Islam.
@@philipskalla4312 Jews aren't special, get out of here with this bull... how's an Eastern Euro Jew with blond hair blue eyes a Semite! Are Ethiopian Jews also Semites? lol It's just a faith with different followers, but Zionists are purposefully conflating that the religion and race are one.
@@azmagaref That's completely untrue.
Zionists do not claim that there is a Jewish race, but a Jewish people.
And that is what the vast majority of Jews say.
They have been calling themselves the People of Israel / Sons of Israel / Israel / the Jewish People for thousands of years.
The Zionists did not invent those terms.
As for your preoccupation with race and genetics and eye and hair colour - which was one of the chief preoccupations of the political group that tried to exterminate the Jewish People - I would like to see your explanation for the blonde hair and European features of the Palestinian icon Ahed Tamimi.
Your initial statement - 'Jews aren't special' - gives away your real sentiment, that you hate the chosen people,.
Better question: how do you acquire land based on a fictional book, because in that fictitious book there’s a fictitious god saying he’s promising you a piece of land that already belongs to someone else????
There was no Palestinian people until 1964.
That's AD 1964, not 1964 BC.
@@philipskalla4312 lol So who were the non Jews living there before during the British mandate? There were British coins that had the word Palestine printed on them ya doOfus.
Why did the Jewish people chose Palestine? Why not ask for a state in Germany where their rights were eliminated, Why should the Palestinians have to bear this cross?
I'm told by people who remember it that in 1945 when the Holocaust was discovered, the feeling on the streets at least here in the UK was that the Jews *must* have somewhere of their own to live.
People felt that this antisemitism crap had been going on since the fall of Jerusalem in 70AD, and that everything would be OK if the Jews went back to where their remote ancestors had lived 2000y before. It seemed the obvious answer.
Unfortunately there were already alot of people of many cultures already living there in the Levant.
I take your point, it might have been better if the Jews had been given sovereign territories in several different uninhabited places across the world.
I'm sure there could have been Jewish sovereign states established in the remoter parts of North America, South America, in an uninhabited part of central Africa, and on uninhabited islands in the Far East, which would not have inconvenienced anyone else.
@@splinterbyrdif the jews needed their own exclusively jewish state they could've headed to Antarctica. Trying to create a racial state for jews in land where there are so many non jews is gonna cause issues
12:36 - what's he on about? People protest against inhumane action all the time. I'm against the needless killing of people in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Israel...people stand against America, Britain etc, but the minute you criticise Israel somehow that's anti-Semitic. Bollocks.
*_Israeli government is the only competent authority in the region_*...
The Balfour Declaration was a single paragraph in a letter dated 2 November 1917 from the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour to Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland. It read:
''His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.''
The text of the letter was published in the press one week later, on 9 November ----->1917
they all need to take a chill pill and listen to each other
Hatred makes someone anti-. Presenting evidence is not hatred.
Anti-semitism: hostility or prejudice against semites.
All Arabs are Semites.
Not all Jews are Semites. Many are nothing but Eastern European Khazars who converted to Judaism defying the teachings of their newly adopted faith.
Former Israeli Minister Shulamit Aloni states that the labeling of people anti-semitic is a trick we always use it.
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Arabs are semites. Not all jews are semites.
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@Liz T Identification with any religion, philosophy, ideology, race, nation, etc., invents the illusion of division and separation, which breeds conflict, violence, and suffering. As long as this illusion persists, there is no Love, no Peace, no Joy, no Kindness, no Goodness, no Compassion (Passion for All), no Beauty, no Creativity, no Feeling, no ExperiencING, no Lucidity, no Truth, no Wisdom, no Freedom, no Communication, no Communion, no Relationship with anyone or anything in daily life...none whatsoever. Only their limitations and imitations.
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@@michaelepstein2570 that is very stupid little boy... The term anti-semitism was coined to mean anti-jewish, the German and Italian anti-jewish parties who invented the anti-semitic party in their countries might have hated Arabs as well but they probably never saw one and they certainly did not mean Arab when they say that anti-semite and they never said some might they just said that they were anti-semite as a polite way of saying we hate Jews... Does that make any sense to you like could you get that through your thick skull?
@@tylermcquien8393 There are no Whites, no Blacks, no Yellows, no Reds.
There are no Christians, no Jews, no Muslims.
There are no Americans, no Russians, no Chinese.
There are only human beings.
Superficially, human beings are different but strip away that thin veneer and fundamentally they are the same.
There is no your brain and my brain.
Your brain is my brain.
It doesn't belong to you or me.
There is only one brain, the human brain, which has evolved for thousands of years and accumulated thousands of years of past conditioning.
This conditioning invented the illusion of the I, the me, the self, the so-called True Self or Higher Self, which invented the illusion of division and separation between the me and the not me, making conflict, violence, and suffering inevitable.
As long as this illusion persists, there can be no Love, Peace, Joy, Kindness, Goodness, Compassion (Passion for All), Beauty, Creativity, Feeling, ExperiencING, Lucidity, Wisdom, Communication, Communion, Relationship with everyone and everything, in each and every moment of daily life...none whatsoever.
The Jewish guy in the hoodie makes some really good points, but he looks like he's going to give himself a heart attack at 28:16.
17:04 "I'm Jewish"
Yeah, if you are Jewish you are allowed something others are not
5:53 "It's calculated to offend."
Yes, and?
Nobody has the right, not to be offended.
Nicky continues to amaze me with his strength. How he doesn't explode in a fit of rage at these howling jokers is beyond me! Keep up the great work!
It's a shame really, because there were the beginnings of some really good arguments being made and I would have loved to have heard them uninterrupted and learned from them, but I had a difficult time understanding the points and counter-points
from either side and come away from it almost as uninformed as I went in.
It seems to me that anti-zionism is clearly separate from antisemitism. That a lot of racists happen also to be anti-zionist seems akin to bigots being anti-Islam. It is not racist to criticize a religion or a government/regime, but when a set of people is closely associated with those entities (Arabs and Muslims on the one hand, and Jews on the other), sometimes critical rhetoric can be co-opted by racists and bigots.
To be a Jew is 1 a matter of race and also a matter of choice.
As one can convert.
One can't help being born into one race or another but to chose to follow an extremest cult is a flaw.
Is real did not exist until t Jews came out of Sinai and slaughtered the inhabitants of the land of milk and Honey
The establishment of the modern Jewish state had defined borders which have been expanded by violence.
Also Jews always omit all the other people who suffered from the Holocaust.
You want peace? Get rid of religion in the Middle East!
religion is just a coverup
people are still going to be fucked up,
ultimately it's about power.
but yeah, abolishing religion would certainly help in unraveling who's who in this,
and who may the bad guys
(i say all of them, all world leaders are psychopaths)
Yes get rid of Islam! Sharia law rules the billion? Of Muslims in the Middle East, Jewish law does not even rule the 0.06 billon Jews in Israel
Will never happen. Come up with a better solution.
@@tylermcquien8393 your so stupid don't ever comment again
16:45 "and the very fact you are shouting down."
Says the woman who tried to shout down Professor Machover.
Machover was shouting at
10:05
11:39
12:45
33:14
33:43
He seemed well able to look after himself.
Is there any argument against Zionism that Zionists don't consider completely out of bounds?
One of the women was indignant that a panelist called Israel "occupiers." Can we not at least agree on that statement? If you want to justify the occupation, I'm willing to hear you out. But when you outright deny that such a situation exists, I have to conclude that your aren't interested in a serious discussion.
Two states should be created because obviously these people will never get along and be safe from each other.
In one way, its abhorrent that The right side of the argument goes into a raucous everytime Angela says something.
But at the same time Angela seems to using Personal Anecdote as if it has Some Great meaning and is in someway quantitative evidence
If a man were accused of a serious crime, tried, and found guilty by a jury of his peers, we would find but little cause to put faith in a claim by him of persecution. However, if he insisted that the reason for his charge of misconduct was only because he believed differently than others, then we might grant him a second trial to assure ourselves he had not been the victim of injustice, believing with confidence that the people would not for a second time find an innocent party guilty of a crime that he did not commit.
If, at the conclusion of the second trial by another jury of peers, the man is found guilty of an offence against the people, we have no reason to listen to or place belief in continued cries of persecution. What does this have to do with the Jew? Quite simple. Since the year 733 B.C., the Jews have, by their own records and count, been expelled from AT LEAST eighty-seven (87) countries, nations or political entities. Let's see now. Eighty-seven countries, eighty-seven people's courts, eighty-seven guilty verdicts, and eighty-seven cries of persecution.
The first time, maybe. The second time doubtful. But to have been found worthy of expulsion by the people of AT LEAST eighty-seven different countries for crimes against the people of those countries? Such a claim stretches the limits of human credulity beyond its most liberal bounds of endurance.
When one comes to the realisation of the fact that these different peoples in most of these cases did not know of each other, or for that matter had never even heard of the other's existence, and yet determined, independently, over a two-thousand-seven-hundred year span of time that the Jews were committing such serious crimes that it was necessary to uproot them lock, stock and barrel in order to drive them from their homes, many times with loss of life and great destruction of property, it is then and only then, that one can truly appreciate the gravity of their character.
25:40 yeahhhhhh
This is kind of disheartening, seeing people not know the difference between Judaeism, Hebrew and Israel. Three unrelated things you can be.. Hebrew is the culture, Israelites are people living in israel and Jew is a religion. These people shouldnt be allowed to debate before they learn this.
@13:25 Love this guy
No. Next question.
Nobody mentioned Ashkenazi superiority complex and their racist attitudes against Mizrachi and Sephardic Jews!
What about Muslim homeland in Saudi Arabia ? Can a jew or Christian be a Saudi citizen }?
The lady in the blue is completely out of touch, in my opinion
i'm black, frm the south of the u.s. & nvr met a jewish person, but i'm anti-semitic for criticising a country for it's actions like we do every other countries.
"... we're a religion, not a nation" well said sir
Hugely Biased result i'm afraid.
- Almost double speaking time was assigned to left team
- Team on the right was generally cut off immediately the moment a member changed subject or moved goal posts
- Team on the left were allowed to ramble and move the goal posts on several occasions, citing personal anecdote as
if that applies to statistics, Gaslighting arguments, utterly avoiding all questions addressed to them
It was only a matter of time before the particularly rowdy selection of individuals on the right would dissolve into raving.
It feels almost designed to create the impression that one side was full of sensible and reasonable individuals and the
other was filled with fanatics and lunatics and perhaps distract you from the fact that nothing of SUBSTANCE WAS
SAID AT ALL
Whether intentional or not you cannot overlook this
The conversation should have started with the bishop and stayed with him, his point was never addressed which
was supposed to be the topic at hand. waste of time
17:02 "Ken Livingstone was criticised from bringing Hitler into the conversation."
"I'm Jewish."
That's the same argument, that you're only allowed to use the N word, if you happen to be black.
People are scared to say the truth ,Jesus died for it😊
The host is allowing to say more or giving chance to the left side more. And whenever the right side people wants to say something they interrupted constantly. This was not fair for the host to give chance to one side only.
The fact those hecklers do not want to mention Islamic colonialism is astonishing!
Anti-zionism is not racism. To assume such a stance is 'racist' is ironically racist in and of itself, as it assumes all Jews are zionists.
Anti-Zionism is racism. Jews have their rights. Rejection of those rights is outrightly bigoted.
Best argument
Israel wants peace, yes a piece of this a piece of that. It’s in its very flag, it clearly represents the rivers in within Israel must expand.
It's the stripes on the traditional prayer shawl. Amazed anyone still believes the old lie about Israel wanting to expand to the Nile😅
@@jumbo4billion because I see the facts
At 13:54 Tony Greenstein says,
No state has a right to exist ... Israel or Palestine has a right to exist as a state of its own citizens, not as a state of Jewish people wherever they live.
That's fine!
No Jew is allowed to be a citizen of so-called Palestine, whether under the Palestinian Authority or the Gaza regime.
No Jew is allowed to be a citizen of the Kingdom of Jordan.
So much for Greenstein's grandiose state of citizens!
Israel is the only one of those four states/pseudo-states that could claim to be a state of its citizens, but is the one Greenstein chooses to castigate.
Casualties from 2008-2020
Palestine: 5,590
Israel: 251
Civilian casualties from World War Two:
Germany 350,000-500,000
Britain 70,000
USA 12,000
Military casualties from World War Two:
Germany 5,300,000
Britain 384,000
USA 420,000
What does that prove?
Are you saying that the Germans were the victims in World War Two and the British and Americans the aggressors?
@@philipskalla4312 I made no mention of victim or aggressor. Simply put the information out. You made the assumption as such, perhaps that’s your conscience.
And in regard to your stupid comparison, I think it’s fair to say that the slaughter of German citizens, in say Dresden, is now viewed as heinous regardless of allegiance. I suggest you apply the same line of thought to the Palestinians 👌🏻
@@patrickmctoal The kind of figures you give are almost always accompanied by the stated deduction that Israel must be the aggressor and Gaza the victim, so I assumed that was what you meant too.
I think any other reader would have understood your comparison the same way, and you would expect them to do so.
If you think the Allied bombings were a 'slaughter', then presumably you must think the same about Gaza.
Most people take the view that waging aggressive war is wrong, and that the countries targeted have the right of self-defence.
That is what the Allies did and that is what Israel does, and that is why Germany has said consistently that it backs Israel's right to defend itself from attacks from Gaza.
This was loaded on UA-cam 5 years ago.... we still having this debate today.
To assert that the problem is religious makes it intractable, because it isn't. These are just people who are back by some power to take other people's land like they have always done!!
All shouting over each other, none listening to each other, no meeting of minds whatsoever, no changing of minds whatsoever.
Dear God, please tell us what the answer is because I'm stumped.
At 7.12 the man miss pronounces hyperbole.
It's not his native language, give him a break
@@tomatodamashi fair enough, i apologise, it was childish to point it out
At the time though i thought it was funny because i have made the very same mistake with hyperbole.
Correct me if I am wrong but I though Naz Shah said, "transport Israel to America" not Jews?
Everything anti-Zionists say they hate about Israel and Zionism has to do with their Jewishness, but when they talk about destroying the Jewish state, their defence is that they are only talking about Israel, not about Jews!
That's some hypocrisy.
The pastor talks sense
Whenever someone says this i just ask "Is Noam Chomsky an antisemite? Bernie Sanders? Howard Zinn?"
I'm an atheist, where is my homeland?
China or North Korea. You can fuck off and book your airplane there.
@@mosesking2923 how Christian of you
@@PaulWelsh LOL did you just assume my religion? Too funny.
@@mosesking2923 I couldn't care less, the assumption is based on your shitty prejudice attitude.
@@PaulWelsh Making assumptions about someone's religion with no evidence? Now look at who's the bigot LOLOLOL
If there is such a thing as "rabid anti-semite", then surely there's such a thing as a rabid semite. And, if so, I possibly spotted one or two in this segment. This whole issue comes from an inability to be introspective and say "hmmm, maybe we got it wrong there; maybe they are right.' And this applies to both sides of the debate. It's a case of having only one eye open.
That woman talks non stop and gets irritated when she is challenged on it. Typical lunatic.
Yawn! Why is everyone so childish when it comes to this debate. People turn into animals!
Captions here are despicable...
it's simple to understand what this the Jew are saying and saying it clearly they won some land, what that means ? Do they have any right to hold to those land because they took them in a war ? Common sense said No . The US are right now holding territories that they took by war . Is it a right thing to do? what example they give ? How can it's allowed a mediator who's in the same time happen to be doing the same thing .
I agree. The US is the biggest hypocrite and has always been the most barbaric corporation spreading its capitalist version of "democracy" by bullying other states.
by that logic almost all nations hold lands won by war
Muslims did the same to the whole of the Middle East but it doesn’t get talked about nearly as much!
I can't understand why people defend religions, especially one's that multilates young children at birth. Most religions make people behave in strange ways, some of them I find abhorrent.
Jews are Jews by bloodlines can't help that .Jews following an ultra orthodox cult that they have a choice in .
Hitler killed Jews on the basis of bloodlines not religion so even a secular Jew or even a convert to Catholicism would be exterminated.no getting around that.
But a religion that one can convert to no matter your race is a cult with all its horrible implications.
Jews have been mistrusted because their loyalties were questioned and no matter how they were persecuted in the diaspora always seemed to come up with the money from their international network they remained foreign .
Why after so much humiliation would a Jew stay in Spain France or Germany? Be cause they were money changers .and they made vast profits while living under the protection of European kings.
Why on earth did they abandon their own land which they claim god had bequeathed them
A lot of people died in WW2 and yet the Jews seem to think they were the only ones who suffered.
My uncle in the RAF was also killed by the Nazis why is he not acknowledged by the Jews?
Smug elitist in the blue blouse.
@Liz T She thinks she has an intrinsic right to something based on her aggregate social/religious status by the words she chooses to use.
Mr Campbell, none is there to speak on behalf of Pak.. Mr Moshe shouldn't have made offensive remarks.. Was he right spitting his venom against us? Waiting your response.
Is this a typo, shouldn't it be "Is Zionism racist?" (black is white, up is down, 2+2=5)
Tony, a man after my own heart.
war ? ????? weapons against stones
It ended worse than it started
Anyone who believes anything a Jew says deserves whatever they get!
Saltycracka74 bigot
That's the truth ,this lady is right as well😊
Totally dominated by 5 or 6 pricks in the front row. Very bad mediating by the guy anchoring the show.
This was bloody awful. No disrespect to the host, but the systematic shouting over every person who wasn't an anti-Zionist was a disgrace. In debates where one side so consistently fails to respect the right of self expression of the other side, I think there should be some sort of a penalty for them.
Always bring up Hitler NOTHING to do with current discussion
@13:10 sums it up
Greenstein won't be satisfied until Israel commits national suicide.
Millions of Jews were murdered because they were prohibited to enter the Land of Israel.
What Greenstein - as well as the two Israeli Israel-haters - would like to see is Israel becoming a Moslem-majority state - which would certainly be under Sharia law - in which Jews would be third-class citizens and stoned again when praying at the Western Wall, as they were before independence.
The Law of Return would be amended to prevent Jews from immigrating and once again, Jews would be trapped in countries where they are persecuted.
That's why I'm proud to say that I support Israel and the Zionist cause.
They should have had an Israelite on the panel that would have shook things up a whole lot!!!
Why would a people agree to having their homeland taken? 1948
aside of my opinion about all that,...........
lol, i have watched a 42 minute discussion between British.... the same people who actually caused the Israeli Palestinian conflict 70 years ago....
looool..... trolling cant get better.....history works in funny ways
Antizionism is racist
*_if Israel is existentially dependent on zionism_*...
Where has the debate 'are jews only interested in money' gone? I really liked that one 😂
Is that even debatable? 😁
@@azmagaref Unbelievable. Do you even know any jews who you can base that assumption of?
She was spot on 23:30
So the clear result of this debate is that anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitic. Which is very logical.
My observations are that the defence that the zionists always use are: why focus only on Israel’s actions when other regimes are doing bad things (diversion), the Arabs/Palestinians had their chance in 1947 to have a homeland but rejected the proposal (Palestinians had 100% of the land then zionists came from other countries and committed massacres and ethnically cleansed them, then offered them less than 50% of the land! Who on earth would accept such a proposal?!), Israel is not an apartheid because Arab Israelis have full citizenship rights (Arab Israelis are treated as second class citizens and the occupied Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza are simply treated like animals which Israel does not like to include in the equation but they have occupied them and controlled them for 70 years to date, so clearly an apartheid!), and they deny white phosphorous attacks and other atrocities they’ve committed (lie lie lie!). In a nutshell!
In fact, pretty much everyone in the world does
Old man ,poor old man ,I feel sorry for him,he condems the jew ,but doesn't condemn hamas
Israel gained territory defensively...? bro what?
36.55 guy really end the debate ...other all things are useless
The fact that grown adults can’t hold a debate, as controversial as it is, without scream at and talking over one another is disgusting. Both sides have valid fact and working together is the only way to resolve these issues.
it turns out zionism is misunderstood, oh now i get it. i am thankful that these hebrew brothers & sisters were able to clear up the misunderstanding. 👌👍
A two state solution with a Jerusalem under un control as both states capital is the most sensible solution. Enough of the misery.
To me: zionism is similar as islamism, they are the political movements.
The solution is easy. Allow the right of return to former occupants of pre-1948 Israel.
Problem solved.
The whole "Israel has a right to exist" argument is so stupid. So because a bunch of people want their own country, we should give them someone else's?
Alright why don't we give the people of Taiwan a chunk of Nigeria? Why don't we give the people of Kurdistan a chunk of Australia?
That's how dumb it sounds to give Israel a chunk of Palestine. Idc if it was their biblical homeland, it isn’t anymore.
If Israel opened their borders wide right now, there would be a huge rush of arabs into Israel for a better life. Very few would go the other way.
Unbelievable how much hatred and excitement this topic arouses in people. Who GIVES a shit...
35:00 the old man in the back doing the Hitler salute.
Notorious antisemites were invited onto this show by the BBC such as Greenstein. There should be no platform for racists. Also Machover by appearing to justify and failing to condemn a tweet equating Israel with Nazism also seems to have demonstrated his antisemitic credentials
No! Nuff said!