truth is, you created him.
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0:00 - its a hoot
1:35 - its all about framing
3:53 - delusions of justice
5:39 - kick bum
6:47 - credits and message
|| mystery song of the day ||
When the night has come
And the land is dark
And the moon is the only light we'll see
No, I won't be afraid
Oh, I won't be afraid
Just as long as you stand
Stand by me
So darlin', darlin', stand by me
Oh, stand by me
Oh, stand
Stand by me, stand by me
If the sky that we look upon
Should tumble and fall
Or the mountain should crumble to the sea
I won't cry, I won't cry
No, I won't shed a tear
Just as long as you stand
Stand by me
And darlin', darlin', stand by me
Oh, stand by me
Oh, stand now
Stand by me, stand by me
And darlin', darlin', stand by me
Oh, stand by me
Oh, stand now
Stand by me, stand by me
Whenever you're in trouble won't you stand by me
Oh, stand by me
Won't you stand by - Фільми й анімація
In this setting (suspending the idea that Batman can escape at any time for now) they left his mask on because Batman himself is on trial, not whoever is behind the mask. They're putting the symbol on trial rather than the man, because the symbol is what they're claiming has created their alternate personas.
The two exceptions is Harvey dent, and joker of course all of his accounts end with encountering the dark knight and ending up in a pit of chemicals, and realizing life is a big joke
@@alexisislas-gonzalez5991 - In the DCAU, Harvey Dent was already mentally ill and had his "Big Bad Harv" persona way before he got scarred in that explosion.
And as we've seen in *"Mask of the Phantasm"* , Joker was already a cold-blooded killer waaay before he encountered Batman, it wasn't like *"the Killing Joke"* in which he was a relatively harmless dude who was in over his head with mobsters who threatened him if he didn't do what they say after he tried to get out of the job.
hello JJOOOOSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
@@randallflagg3700 When Batman's identity was leaked by Hugo strange later on, Two-Face was in shock because he couldn't see his best friend also being his worst enemy. While Joker doesn't WANT to know who Batman is and typically just enjoys their cycle instead of trying to end it. I don't think either of them would have cared enough to unmask him
Well the DCAU’s joker doesn’t really care much about Batman’s identity one way or the other. When he discovers it in Return of the Joker it doesn’t ruin anything for him. He just rolls with it as something he finds funny.
“Record? Is someone supposed to be writing this down?” is a top-tier Joker line
No kidding
That line always kills me😂😂
@@samwilsoncaptainamerica233 how are you still alive?
@@voidling2632 Lazarus pit
That, and how he closed out the trial by quoting Porky Pig: [stuttering] That's all, folks!
Ironiclly, Batman was a deputized member of the Gotham City Police Department in the comics from the 1940's to the early-80s and carried a silver police badge shaped like a miniature batarang.
Honestly I wish more stories would play with this concept, where batman is technically working within the law but also addressing the restrictions that puts on his usual MO
@@maverickdarkrath4780 it's something Dennis O'Neil disagreed with, so it went out the door..anything that would resemble Adam West in any way; there's a couple of generations of people working on Batman comics who hated the Adam West show and anything to do with it, including Batgirl.
@@josephadorno92 damn what is it with comic book writers and being petty
There was a story where Batman and Robin were playing on the police side of the police vs firefighters annual baseball game, because they’re honorary GCPD members
@@thrawnnoconnection6931 without that recognition, he really would have a tough time in Gotham as a vigilante, and so would the GCPD; the Bat-Phone is actually a more discreet means of communication than the Bat-signal, but since the phone is linked with Adam West, that's verboten in Batman "canon".
Joker coming in and starting the trial with declaring Batman "GUILTY!!!!" Is still the funniest start to a hearing ever
So if this episode was summed up, Batman villain: i created you, you created me.
Janet: Batman why did you created that guy?
Batman: I didn't!
Step-child says : " You are not my dad ". Dead-beat step-dad agrees by saying :
" You are not my child ".
The end of trial reminds me of a TV tropes entry about Bruce. That he went through something so traumatic that he spent the rest of his life trying to ensure nobody else goes through what he did. And because of that vow, there are very few stories where batman can step away from the mission. He's a hero, but he's also tragic because no matter how many criminals he punches, he can never reach that point where he feels okay walking away willingly.
Shame forced him to in the dcau, but he walked right back because it got worse again. revelation and reform pushed him to do so in the nolanverse. The Arkhamverse had him walk away for the sake of his family, but it also indicates he just changed skins to keep going. The Batman animated died in the line of duty (presumably, since the mission never ended). And as some comics say, being batman is an eternal duty that the universe keeps putting on Bruce.
As you said, the playground of his own world means that winning or walking away are nearly impossible. But like a valiant warrior, he still tries.
yeah this is why I love the ending of the dark knight returns (before those sequel comics fucked in up) and that one what if episode of batman brave and the bold. because they give Bruce an ending and retire as batman, not because of tragedy and it's not him giving up on his life mission, but because he truly has found people he is willing to pass on his mantle & continue his mission for him because he trusts them.
@@christopherauzenne5023 I had no idea any sequel comics even existed until this moment.
Wait, the Batman animated dies? I haven’t seen the show in awhile I don’t remember that
@@roughfoxy101 No, but he is very elderly in the epilogue, and probably doesn't have too much time left.
@@Quirderph Oohh, I thought they meant The Batman 2004
Batman, by his core essence, has always existed as an answer to the injustice within Gotham and not as the direct cause of it. He exists because of it, and desperately fights for a time in which he's not needed anymore. He did not create his rogues gallery.
However, it is likely true that because of the nature of who they are, the fact that he exists is part of what motivates them to continue in their ways. Some, though not all, would simply retire should Batman ever go missing, as much of their way of life is based around the competition of being the first one to "Best the Bat". They seek the legendary stature and influence that would come with such a triumph as though they were pirate captains at sea in search of legendary lost treasure. This is of course not Batman's fault. He is simply doing what he can to make Gotham a safer place to live in.
Ultimately, Batman is a piece of the balance within Gotham. Should crime ever spiral out of control, there will always be someone to take up the mantle of the Batman to even the odds for the citizens just trying to live their peaceful lives. However, so long as there is Batman, there will always be those who seek the fame and infamy that would come with defeating him. Should Batman ever do so well as to eliminate crime in Gotham, he will hang up his cowl until the day comes that the need arises again.
Personally, this episode makes me think about Spectacular Spider-Man. Tombstone basically orders for a lot of the supervillains to be created so that Spider-Man can be kept busy while his criminal empire returns to normal operations. So in a sense, superheroes could sort of create supervillains since it’s like the escalation of weapons to win a war. Of course, in Spider-Man these created supervillains were all originally regular crooks who were running rampant until Peter became a superhero.
But at the end of the day its their choice to keep doing these things. Like when Sandman and Spidey fought for the last time, he told him he wastes his powers for his own selfish gain and could do something better, but he doesnt. Or at least until the end of the episode where he saved those people. Point is, they choose to keep doing what they do. Escalation is only avoidable when the bad guys accept what they are doing is wrong.
I like this episode because I've always found the "Batman creates his villains" idea some people have stupid. All of them were crazy or evil in some way before Bruce became Batman and would have been even if he hadn't.
Its why I can never take the idea that batman is creating villains seriously, and that somehow they are the victims and are faultless, I mean sure he can't and won't kill the Joker or anyone else because he respects the law enough to help them out and he knows villains are humans too and most have a shred of good in them.
But to leave them alone invites disaster, is there any wonder why batman even came to be?
And how everything would have gone to shit if he stopped?
Its like everyone is either on the side of "just kill them" or "Batman should just stop because he is opressive" when the circumstances taken outside of the most biased stories clearly show that these villains refuse to change despite even Batman's best efforts.
The real issue lies in the medium, that comics cannot end, nobody can die or change for long there will always be a status quo to return to.
Manga: Can't relate
It's mainly because people like the villains. They're interesting and sympathetic, but not blameless, and that nuance is what makes them so interesting as villains. The situation is never entirely black or white.
Lack of responsibility on the true criminals is whats wrong with the world.
Its why I can never take the idea that batman is creating villains seriously, and that somehow they are the victims and are faultless, I mean sure he can't and won't kill the Joker or anyone because he respects the law enough to help them out and he knows villains are humans too.
Its like everyone is either on the side of "just kill them" or "Batman should just stop because he is opressive" when the circumstances taken outside of the most biased stories clearly show that these villains refuse to change despite even Batman's best efforts.
@@kennethsatria6607 For the matter of the argument that, "Batman should just kill the supervillains", why is the responsibility being pushed onto Batman? Should that not be up to the state, or the justice system of Gotham City? Does the state that Gotham City is located in even have the Death Penalty?
@@kennethsatria6607I 100% agree I'm on the side batman should never kill and try rehabilitate his villain but in these arguments everyone seems to neglect the villains need to take responsibility for themselves and you can't put the full blame on batman as if he caused the situation
@@kennethsatria6607Agreed, Gotham did this to itself, in a city full of crime and corruption if batman didn't show up someone like redhood or punisher would have.
@@samwilsoncaptainamerica233Frank would have a field day with Gotham city perfect war
I'd love to see you discuss the Justice League two-parter 'Hereafter' - genuinely one of the most amazing Superman stories I've ever seen and one that completely reframes the character of Vandal Savage
Goddd thissss. I saw this episode a few weeks ago and I love it so much. Superman and Vandal working together and Vandal still being vandal but having. Thousands of years to look back on his choice. It's so much
I want this to happen so much.
A perfect episode that encapsulates that it’s not the heroes that create the villains, but the other way around
This episode was one of my personal favorites, because the villains themselves realize and accept that, yes, they were entirely responsible for their own actions and that they likely would've done them whether Batman existed or not. It's a surprisingly sober moment that Batman's rogue's gallery, while definitely running the full gambit of unhinged, are by and large still fully cognizant of everything, And interestingly, were willing to play their little game up to and including giving the verdict as fairly as possible. (even if they weren't going to go through with the intended "freeing the Batman" part)
best part, “No body panic “- Two Face
“Alright start panicking”- Joker
The eluding to Batman Beyond at the end was soo well put.
sad thing is, Bruce did leave the playground.
Unfortunately, Batman had to come back to it. Just with a different avenger wearing the cowl. Thankfully, though, it seems like the new one will be able to avoid the missteps that the first Batman made which lead to his life being miserable.
This was always my favourite btas episode, I loved the plot and the gaggle of villains, and I do think the plots brung up like working towards a city without batman part was actually decent :)
5:57 The Arkham predator skill got me weak!
My favorite episode.
Edit: It’s tied with “Almost Got ‘Em”
"Almost Got 'Em" is another fantastic episode because of the point of views for the story.
He didn't create them. Gotham itself did, both this villains and Batman himself. There were supervillains and costume criminals before Bruce Wayne was born. SSDD
By far one of the funniest and best episodes to have come out of this part of the series.
I really wished they used this Lawyer more, she was very interesting
Any time anyone starts asking "why doesn't he just donate to charity or run for office??" I say "because none of those things would help when there are *actual goddamn kaiju* roaming around the diamond district."
A well funded and we'll staffed police department can't do shit against Mr freeze or clay face ffs
The thing is he uses the Bruce Wayne persona to fund charity and civil projects which works more against the petty criminals but Batman exists to deal with the unrepentant super criminals
You could also say that..he does do those things as well.
@@dkcsi9256 @lordinquisitor6233 i didn't mean it was an either or, just that people forget that literal monsters stalk the streets of gotham on a weekly basis
@@Morlock19 Yeah but I mean the people who you’re arguing with *are* going to think it’s either or lol
They’ll go “But he’s beating up poor mentally disabled people in the streets and murdering them by tossing them through a comic-book-logic-wall! You can’t just ignore that!!”
@@dkcsi9256 and i'd just square up, look them in the eye, say "fuck yeah he does", put on some cool shades and walk away backwards flipping them off xD
The Joker as the judge was hilarious 😂
Janet is the closest there was to having a character who resembled Rachel Dawes from the Nolan trilogy. I'm surprised she wasn't incorporated in the main Batman comic book canon and became Bruce Wayne's next girlfriend; she seemed like a capable character.
Other way around this show came out before the movies
@@samwilsoncaptainamerica233 I was observing in retrospect; I wasn't saying Janet was inspired by Rachel - I was saying Janet is the only pre-existing character who comes close to resembling Rachel.
Crime never sleeps, and apparently never dies too.
Love what you did with this episode. For me on my first watching it seemed more that the villians had victim mindsets and just wanted to blame batman even though each villian has had a terrible backstory that the cartoon can't properly cover and just wanted to point fingers
its sad that batman is never given a ending, he's always fighting
There will never be a time when people are not going to break the law and hurt others and as long as that holds true the mission never ends.
Because of that there is no "end" for Batman that is not death.
@@kintsuki99 Despite all the people he's raised and trained specifically to do the the mission. Batman isn't trapped because there is wrong in the world, he's trapped because of his obsession and need for total control.
@@thacobell4700 It's less about control and more about him using a very helpful yet insane method to cope with him still being an 8 year old boy trying to save his parents deep down. It can never end because yes crime is just part of society and civilization but because he is stuck in that alley unable to grow up or heal. He is a character very much the victim of his own trauma and pathology but uses it in a helpful yet self destructive way.
@@taliawtf6944 Because HE needs to exert his control over it. He never wants to be the powerless boy again, so HE has to be strong. He's raised na entire bat family to do this mission, but he refuses to retire because he can't relinquish control of the fight. No one else will ever be good enough in his eyes.
Honestly i think this series gave him the most perfect ending, he is so obsessed with fighting crime that he eventually pushed away every single one of his loved ones, ending up alone and old (until Terry appeared that is)
Easily one of the best episode of TAS. All the rouge gallery, the jokes and the core concept .
All you have to do is look at the definition of insanity to understand why Gotham will always need a Batman.
Implicitly, I just wanted to tell you that I haven't even SEEN this yet but every one of your videos make my day better. Thank you. Sincerely.
I loved this episode
Same
This was the original idea for the Batman Animated movie before they went with "Mask of the Phantasm", and to properly explore the themes & questions brought up in this episode, it really needed to be feature lengthed or at least be a 2 part episode
Thanks for your insight into this continuity. When these were coming out I assumed that none of it was ever connected. I am now incredibly impressed with how tightly they tied *all* of that together.
Dude you have probably the best title card sequence that I’ve ever seen in video essays
The thing about Batman and his villlains, many of them are like him, their the product of some tragedy or misfortune, but the core difference is, that whether to do with having better support system or not, one chose to try and help the world so it might never happen again, while the others chose to lash out.
The situation in a nutshell: batman arrests a person, puts in a place to get help, person refuses help, person breaks out, person commits crimes, batman arrests person
Between the various odd metas popping up and the increasing levels of high technology, there will always be criminals that basic law enforcement will not be able to deal with... thus there will always be a need for Batman.
One interesting idea that I've not seen explored is why superheroes insist on doing things alone, as in if 1 Batman is effective, 10 Batmans should be 10x as effective, why not have a Batman training program for every city with crime, etc. One theme could be the ego of being the only one saving the world, or of being a class apart from normal people rather than a job anyone can pursue.
I disagree with you that Batman does not work outside of context. Vigilantes exist in the real world. Batman fights injustice when the systems that hold justice in place fail, he just happens to dress like a Bat. And that itself has its place as he does so to frighten criminals. It worked in the Dark Knight Trilogy and it worked in The Batman. While most people find it ridiculous, the idea of a super strong, highly skilled man dressed as a bat is quite terrifying.
He claimed, “*there would be no Batman if there’s no supercriminals*”. Going by his renowned origin, Bruce Wayne’s parents were mugged and gunned down in a grimy alley by Joe Chill, an average crook in an already crime infested megalopolis. Bruce Wayne set out to become what he became because he vowed that he’d do anything and everything within his grasp to prevent the events that took his parents from ever repeating themselves; a random act of violence by a dime a dozen criminal. Additionally, the symbiotic relationship that Batman shares with his rogues would still exist if flamboyantly decorated characters like The Joker and The Riddler were permanently replaced by the likes of Carmine Falcone and Sal Maroni - though maybe not as on the nose as we know it to be. I reckon that as long as there is crime, there will always be a warranted degree for vigilantism (i.e. just look at how Uvalde’s PD expertly handled their proceedings and note that the US Supreme Court has ruled that law enforcement is not required to serve its denizens). This video was blatantly off the fucking mark, and “Implicitly Pretentious”’s username unironically does checkout. And for the majority, I surmise that the kangaroo court episode was self-explanatory.
TLDR:
If Gotham were without “supercriminals”, Bruce Wayne would still be Batman because the man that murdered his parents was no supercriminal.
Especially since his one rule is no killing, you'd be surprised by what you could live through
Literally just watched this episode u got me into watching this series never finished it as a kid this show is awesome
I really liked how you tied everything together here. Probably your best ending. I think you have really progressed alot in the last year. I hope you keep it up
At this point, I'm binge watching for the intro. Absolute killer
I love this episode her saying you created him is amazing
Here is my philosophy on this = There is this popular meme line: "Violence is not the answer, it is a question". On that note, the question is "Should we call Batman?"
Joker was a great commentator side character in this as always
This show was awesome
The fact that they work off each other isnt that one created the other, they created each other.
Classic! Dark Knight Rises kind of cameo this episode in one scene.
My favorite episode
You know I used to think batman was responsible for all of you. Now I see that you all would have ended up the same way, batman or no. Oh sure the gimmicks and costumes would be different but you'd all still be out there causing misery for this city. The truth is it was all of you that made HIM.
2:10 the most passive aggressive sentence jump I have ever heard. I would love your opinions on the White Night comic series now lmaooo
that's a good one
You make good content my dude
2003 Leonardo video?? I eagerly await this.
the issue with all of this is if we don't have batman would we still have super villains? yes yes we would. mr freeze for example would always go off the deep end to save his wife. Ivy would always be an eco terroist.if we don't have a batman those super people would not have a check on them at all.
the " you can't really punish them because Batman isn't a cop" is bullshit when you know the guy killed hundreds of people.
some people complain that batman should kill the joker. that's not his job none of this is his job. the goverment whom has been handed these villains dozens of times and fumbles the ball every time is the issue.
That's where I've always seen room for the Bruce Wayne persona to come in. Yes, Batman intentionally plays up the differences between himself and Bruce to reinforce the disguise, but there's still room for Bruce to push against corruption in the Gotham police and justice departments. And generally, he's shown doing that.
People always ask why Batman doesn't kill the Joker, but the answer simply comes down to the fact that he doesn't trust himself to be able to stop killing villains. He believes the Joker deserves to die, but some criminals, especially ones like the Ventriloquist or Two-Face are mentally unwell and need treatment. If he killed the Joker, he'd look at someone like Black Mask and think that, while they're not as bad as the Joker, they're pretty close, and kill them. Then he'd find another criminal that's a little less worse than Black Mask and kill them, and so on and so on. He's worried that the moment he makes killing an option, he won't be able to keep it as only a last resort. And then he'd become no better than the criminals he fights.
@@HSuper_LeeSort of like the concept of the Justice Lords or the Injustice series if he actually joined Superman and the Regime instead of opposing them. And Batman is right. He knows himself too well. That killing them is the point of no return and he is infamous for having incredible willpower, it’s almost superhuman in of itself. If only the law could properly take care of the people he has to catch night after night after night.
yes sir
Haaaaaaa, I love this fandom.
Their exchange at the end is one of my favorite parts. We want a world where there is no need for superheroes.
Wish this was on than just HBO Max 😢 so many streams 😂
A song that uses the title in the chorus might be hard to label a mystery.
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BTAS, never ending content!
Viewer number 5!
This is the episode w hit the trial!
I also disagree with your opinion on batman. Some of the best batman comics did not have a rouge present. Like the one with the librarian who left bodies on shelves in the library based on their job and the dewy decimal system. The rouges are just the icing on the cake.
I wish she stuck around in the DCAU, or just DC in general
The city is doomed if you need someone like Batman facing criminals every night. Just imagine that an entire city depends on ONE GUY to make everything better.
In all honesty in my opinion, Joe Chill created Batman the night he shot Thomas and Martha Wayne, but the thing about how I see Batman in the dcau is that he’s some sort of a demon to Gotham criminal empires, the guy can appear and disappear out of nowhere like an apparition, plus in scarecrows debut episode “Never Fear” when he basically overdoses on his own fear toxin, his intoxicated mind warps the image of Batman into a bat like demon, maybe I’m just hallucinating maybe I’m just reading into this too much
Analyze Darkwing Duck
So this episode is the contrast to the message of The Dark Knight, that Batman’s dramatic theatricality inspired the Joker and criminals to take on an even more extreme position.
Lets fucking go
This episode led to the White Knight comic series
Please do Superman videos. An analysis of Peace on Earth would be great
Neat
Lore of truth is, you created him. Momentum 100
Nice
This was a lot like the late night poker game
please do a video on Mr.Robot
and error.
THROW A ROCK AT HIM!
Did this have to be reuploaded? I swear I watched/liked this like a week ago.
Yay
Now roll it forward to real life, and civil disobedience being necessary for every freedom we enjoy....
This episode feels like a far outcry from the original days when superheroes were created as an wishful answer to solve real world practical problems. literally when Batman was acting as "the world's greatest DETECTIVE," instead of maddening violent vigilante as we view him today.
Probably been asked a million times now, but what is the song in the credits portion? You never credit it in the description nor the credits.
I mean Gotham the tv show isnt prefered but i dont understand how people can misunderstand the show yet praise this episode. Almost like they didnt watch it. Still, to each their own.
That transition to batman beyond is kinda sad.
Are you basically saying that Batman in the animated show had all the gadgets from the Arkham games?
whats the outro song? during credits
They coukd have had him if everyone actually tried to kill him
Why did batman never get help to lift the evil curse on gotham when he deals with people like Dr Fate or Zatanna or Jhon Constantine
So the moral of this story is, If you keep consuming Batman content, They will continue to find more horrible ways to torment him. NEAT!
Have you reviewed the "Batman Begins Forever" episode of the Harley Quinn show? A deep mind view of different batman.
Do an analysis on Spectacular Spider-Man characters, or on the Legion of Superheroes show.
Batman, why'd you create those guys?
This episode of Bat-based satire brought to you by Kafkaesque absurdism.
On anything resembling what people understand as normal logic, a bunch of these villians would hve been out on death row even with their psychological problems and plead for insanity these peoppe have terrorized the city and country for years. Even if Batman doesn't have the want to kill any of these people the citizens would. We seen that enough times. Even with the corrupt goverment officals in the city would see the value in taking out someone higher up then them just to btter their own position.
But you know the old song and dance of reviving villians and heroes from the dead or just needing somethingnti fight is the whole point of these long run franchises. It's not like that Spider-Man: Life Story comic run where they told a story from his original apperance in the 60's to more modern times and then his death. Using a lot of iconic story lines and such as in betweens. But even then we see a beginning and end to Bruce Wayne with these series of shows in the DCAU where we see Bruce already found someone to take up the mantle at the end even as an old dying man.
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"On the big picture of the DCAU we know it won't"
Man, Batman Beyond is a bad future timeline at this point. I never bought it as "The future" just like I didn't buy 2099 as "The future" XP
But anyway that aside yeah, things will never change still but hey this first show isolated on it's own will always be special how it didn't get totally lost in the capes and cowls and kept a really grounded human world for these characters. Even if the kater shows still have plenty of heart and are good it really did lose that for me in a big way.
Sadly the "Future" is going to be much, much worse than the one from Batman Beyond.
That is what I assumed too. Batman would rather kill himself than let the joker disease turn him into another gang member who uses genetically modified off-spring to do his dirty work for him . Even Terry was smart enough to not play that mind-game with the Joker clone as he laughed back at him.
Batman Beyond is the " Yu-Gi-Oh GX " of the Batman universe .
Didn’t Batman give her the Batrang