Fun thing I noticed and just think is really cool, the sword fight with Clayface is clearly an homage to the 1938 Adventures of Robin Hood sword fight between Robin Hood and Guy of Gisbourne. In that movie Guy was played by the well renowned Basil Rathbone, who due to his looks was often typecast as suave villains. I just think it’s interesting they combined aspects of at least one real life actor when creating the story of this Clayface. Also fun fact Basil Rathbone was a phenomenal fencer, and did all of his own sword fighting in his movies. He was actually considered the best Fencer in Hollywood for a while.
I love that we get the original Golden Age Clayface. I feel like that was never tapped into at any point. Most people just know the Matt Hagen version, which was eventually folded into Basil Karlo's origin. Good on the show runners for doing that
This is taken from the Golden Age Clayface first appearance. As for those things in the gym. Often used for chin ups and pull ups, coordination and gymnastics. Known as gymnastic ladder or Swedish ladders.
@@robert_bbiii Clayface has been Basil Karlo, and an actor, in almost every appearance. I'll give you they both have a traditional villain-in-a-cloak-and-hat, and they're both murdering actors, but that's about it.
Basil Karlo was the first Clayface. Matt Hagen was the second Clayface that most people are familiar with. Most of the villains in this show are using their first appearance or early looks to fit the tone.
3:04 That is easily the most sociopathic we've ever seen from an animated Batman. Maybe even live-action, too. He's consumed with the possibility he may have found an asset, to the degree that saving an innocent woman is an afterthought.
@@TheFashionablyDepressedBard To give him some credit, Episode 1 took place in *Week 2* of being Batman, so it's not like being a superhero is something he's used to yet.
@@LuxLoser Oh, it's not that I am against it. I like it. It makes for really interesting character develeopment, and I already see him evolving out of that mind set.
I loved the fact that villain in this one dresses like The Shadow. I also think that the make-up guy is supposed to look something like classic Universal monster make-up man Jack Pierce, who would wear that kind of top while working.
This series has a serious case of "lets see how much we can alter/send back to basic a villain before people dislikes it" aka Matt Reeves test field for live action bad guys and I'm here for it
ya. Almost as soon as they revealed Clayface's design for this show, there was speculation that this feels like a precursor for how Matt Reeves may handle Clayface in the next movie potentially. To kind of get people used to the idea of a more "grounded" Golden Age-ish Clayface first. A lot of rumors and theories that it will involve that character somehow, and maybe even be teased in The Penguin(there is a character called Eve Karlo).
The Old Hollywood vibes of the original Clayface are so much more interesting to me than the gigantic mud monster, so I'm so stoked to see him in Part II.
Now, a good amount of the rogues gallery are mostly true to the golden age originals, there's a few this season that have been reimagined to for this era for this series.
They would've shown that shot of the two corpses in the vent back in the '90s. Remember the Joker episodes when he killed folks with his laughing gas? The corpses would have the exaggerated grins and sometimes their bodies would be contorted in weird positions from rigor mortis.
@@rog2224 Didn't they do worse with the poison fish episode that the Joker was poisoning folks with? Hell, the rigor on the corpses in some of those episodes alone was worse than a spider on the eyeball.
Really fun seeing an adaptation of the original Clayface, who was a horror film actor who used his old masked role to begin committing killing in the vein of the Phantom of the Opera. Really clever way of incorporating elements from the later super-powered clayfaces and the version from Batman TAS.
I really liked this episode. Good intro to original Clayface before he got monster mashed into Pudding Man (I still love modern Clayface too). Also great detective episode and setting of time and era with classic Hollywood vibes. Basil Karlo is a great reference to actors that were typecasted into heavies/villains because of their appearance.
It's interesting going from the huge Matt Hagen Clayface from TAS to the more Darkman style classic Karlo version here. Heck, I had never heard of Basil Karlo until "The Batman" series used him.
I'm only on episode 5, but I'm thoroughly enjoying the series. I just kinda wished the opening theme went as hard as the classic one in the 90's. Still, it's really good.
As much as I enjoyed the Hagen Clayface in the animated series, and Alan Tudyk's version from Harley Quinn, I really enjoyed this version of Clayface. What they did with Batman's rogues in this season is intriguing. I also like how Batman is so cold in these early episodes, he has shut himself off from everyone include Alfred, or as he calls him Pennyworth. Hearing this and seeing this, Bruce reminds me so much of Damian Wayne. So, I could see why Alfred would accept Damian as Bruce's son, young Bruce acted so much like him.
Really enjoyed this episode. It felt like a case straight out of LA Noire, from the plot, the investigating, the presentation, all the way down to the music.
These difference versions of Batman's rogues gallery aren't all unique to this specific series. This version of Clayface is based off the original comic adaptation. Before he became a hulk of a monster. Implying, that he was never meant to be a big physical threat like he was in the Animated series.
You don't know what wall bars are? I don't know a school sport hall without them. There are exercises you can do with them or affix other sports equipment to it. Didn't know that was seen as something old-timey.
From Wikipedia: The wall bars have many uses and are widely used in gyms and schools. They are used simply for climbing and for coordination skills, particularly in primary school education.[1] They are also used by more advanced gymnasts for resistance training, flexibility training or abdominal exercises. Gymnasts can hang from a higher bar with their back facing the bar and perform abdominal exercises, or hang facing the bar to stretch their back.[2] Wall bars are also useful for parkour training. They provide several different heights to jump to and provide an area from which to jump.[3]
It's not a twist babay! This is how the very first clayface was designed. The big clay monster was a way to gain traction again by grabbing younger audience's attention.
There's sooo many references to old school Hollywood in this ep. I love that you were able to spot Clayface's disguise as an homage to The Shadow, Adam. You're the first reacter who I've seen do that. Btw, I get a very late 30's/early 40's vibe from the writing. They definitely are playing up the "rich playboy and cad" stereotype with Bruce and a LOT of the main cast feel kinda high society.
It just has the AESTHETIC of the 40s, but is actually happening in modern day, it’s why no one (in the universe) makes a big deal about Gordon being black, or Montoya being gay.
That's not true. It is a period piece, just not historical. They use typewriters instead of computers at the GCPD, no one has cellphones and there are only rotary phones, and even the tech Batman uses that could be handwaved away as Bat-Tech is still all 40s-50s tech. It's a fictional city. Just say it's real liberal for the times, or maybe in this version of DC's America, the timeline resulted in very different social politics by the 1940s. It's no different than Batman: The Animated Series, where race and gender were not much of an issue in Gotham at all, despite reality. Sometimes we don't need social commentary, we need cool as fuck aesthetics of a time period and a fictional setting where we can wave away all the stupid bullshit that makes that time period suck.
@@LuxLoser BTAS was a mix of 1930s and 1990s, but was set in the modern day it’s why it was able to cross over with STAS and why that Batman was able to then transition into Justice League and Beyond so easily. Caped Crusader isn’t a period peace, it just has the Aesthetics of the 1930s, Bruce Timm himself has said so.
This show is making me wonder how you two would like my adventures with Superman now, it’s almost the exact opposite of this, lighter more colorful, more futuristic. But also has like slight twists on antagonists. (It also has jack quaid which is great)
This show is in a dark alleyway, shooting its shot. It’s trying to do something new with all the characters while still maintains what makes them recognizable. That’s very hard to do, but geezy chrizy if their swings aren’t landing. I cant wait to see what they do with Scarecrow or if they’ll tackle Mr. Freeze & Killer Crock. What you guys were saying about JJ. Abrams…That’s how I fill about Zack Snyder.
Clayface is actually one of Batman's earliest villains, and was in fact created by Bob Kane and Bill Finger themselves. In his first appearance he looked pretty much how he was in this episode, and the castle scene is directly from that comic.
Seriously, where are you guys getting this stuff? Basil Karlo's first appearance was in Detective Comics 40. The only weapon he used is a knife. There's no swordfight.
@@TheFiddleFaddle Sorry, mistyped. The SCENE with the swordfight is from that comic, with the castle set and the spiral staircase, but you're right, there's no actual swordfight.
A little off-topic, but I guess I’m out of the loop……why are we supposed to not like Abrams directing stuff anymore? His Star Trek films (especially Into Darkness) are phenomenal. I hate the Star Wars sequel trilogy as a whole, but I did enjoy TFA. MI:3 is an absolute gem in the Mission Impossible franchise in my opinion. I agree his writing record is not great, but his directorial record (which is a surprisingly small sample) is not bad at all 🤷🏻♂️. Personal opinion of course.
Oh wow! A cartoon show based on comic book fantasy that's doesn't poytray everything in a ultra realistic way...because it's a fantasy based on a comic book! Imagine that! I swear youtubers are getting more ridiculous every day...
Fun thing I noticed and just think is really cool, the sword fight with Clayface is clearly an homage to the 1938 Adventures of Robin Hood sword fight between Robin Hood and Guy of Gisbourne. In that movie Guy was played by the well renowned Basil Rathbone, who due to his looks was often typecast as suave villains. I just think it’s interesting they combined aspects of at least one real life actor when creating the story of this Clayface.
Also fun fact Basil Rathbone was a phenomenal fencer, and did all of his own sword fighting in his movies. He was actually considered the best Fencer in Hollywood for a while.
"You have resting Dracula face dude." 😂😂😂😂😂
I’m SO happy y’all are continuing on with this on YT. This show is INCREDIBLE and y’all’s reactions to it have been GOLD so far 😄
Guess WB finally realized it was free publicity 😂. Love you guys, keep u the great work
Hyped for Batman doing actual Batman things!!!
Hey, anyone already mention this was the OG Clayface that was around decades before the giant shape-shifting mud-man? Yes? Several people have? Oh.
Yeah, and they're all wrong.
Maybe not decades but he still came 10years before. 1940 Detective Comic #40
@@joetickle8304 And the second (Hagen) didn't appear until 1961. So, yes: Decades. Two, in fact.
@@MadisonCarter Hey technically 19 is only 1 decade and 9 years :p
@@joetickle8304 1940 and 1961. That's 21, not 19.
I love that we get the original Golden Age Clayface. I feel like that was never tapped into at any point. Most people just know the Matt Hagen version, which was eventually folded into Basil Karlo's origin. Good on the show runners for doing that
This is taken from the Golden Age Clayface first appearance.
As for those things in the gym. Often used for chin ups and pull ups, coordination and gymnastics. Known as gymnastic ladder or Swedish ladders.
No, it's not. Golden Age Clayface had no superpowers in his first appearance, and the plot was very different in Detective Comics 40.
@@TheFiddleFaddle but he was Basil Karlo. He was an actor. The costume is the same
@@robert_bbiii Clayface has been Basil Karlo, and an actor, in almost every appearance. I'll give you they both have a traditional villain-in-a-cloak-and-hat, and they're both murdering actors, but that's about it.
Basil Karlo was the first Clayface.
Matt Hagen was the second Clayface that most people are familiar with.
Most of the villains in this show are using their first appearance or early looks to fit the tone.
3:04 That is easily the most sociopathic we've ever seen from an animated Batman. Maybe even live-action, too. He's consumed with the possibility he may have found an asset, to the degree that saving an innocent woman is an afterthought.
Yeah, I noticed that too. This Batman seems to be all big picture. To the degree that individual persons get lost in the scope he operates on.
@@TheFashionablyDepressedBard To give him some credit, Episode 1 took place in *Week 2* of being Batman, so it's not like being a superhero is something he's used to yet.
@@LuxLoser Oh, it's not that I am against it. I like it. It makes for really interesting character develeopment, and I already see him evolving out of that mind set.
I loved the fact that villain in this one dresses like The Shadow. I also think that the make-up guy is supposed to look something like classic Universal monster make-up man Jack Pierce, who would wear that kind of top while working.
This series has a serious case of "lets see how much we can alter/send back to basic a villain before people dislikes it" aka Matt Reeves test field for live action bad guys and I'm here for it
ya. Almost as soon as they revealed Clayface's design for this show, there was speculation that this feels like a precursor for how Matt Reeves may handle Clayface in the next movie potentially. To kind of get people used to the idea of a more "grounded" Golden Age-ish Clayface first. A lot of rumors and theories that it will involve that character somehow, and maybe even be teased in The Penguin(there is a character called Eve Karlo).
@@JoshcoshbagoshI mean I wouldn’t be surprised if this show was just a test for Reeves’s next Batman movie since Gordon does look like Jeffrey Wright
The Old Hollywood vibes of the original Clayface are so much more interesting to me than the gigantic mud monster, so I'm so stoked to see him in Part II.
Now, a good amount of the rogues gallery are mostly true to the golden age originals, there's a few this season that have been reimagined to for this era for this series.
I love that Basil Karlo is basically Vincent Price.
That's not too far off actually. I believe he was initially based off Boris Karloff
His name is based off Boris Karloff but I think his look is based on Bela Lugosi
I see a mixture of Vincent Price, Boris Karloff, and Lon Chaney in there. All the classic monster movie guys.
@@PhoenixStudios92 He gets his name from a combination of both Boris Karloff and Basil Rathbone.
I really dont see Bela in him, he looks more like Karloff when he played Imhotep to me @PhoenixStudios92
I love the new take on these villains
That’s the original take on clayface
It's actually not new, it's the original origin! It's so cool to see it animated!
They would've shown that shot of the two corpses in the vent back in the '90s. Remember the Joker episodes when he killed folks with his laughing gas? The corpses would have the exaggerated grins and sometimes their bodies would be contorted in weird positions from rigor mortis.
not with the spider on the eyeball
@@rog2224 Didn't they do worse with the poison fish episode that the Joker was poisoning folks with? Hell, the rigor on the corpses in some of those episodes alone was worse than a spider on the eyeball.
Really fun seeing an adaptation of the original Clayface, who was a horror film actor who used his old masked role to begin committing killing in the vein of the Phantom of the Opera. Really clever way of incorporating elements from the later super-powered clayfaces and the version from Batman TAS.
Resting Dracula face 😂
I really liked this episode. Good intro to original Clayface before he got monster mashed into Pudding Man (I still love modern Clayface too). Also great detective episode and setting of time and era with classic Hollywood vibes. Basil Karlo is a great reference to actors that were typecasted into heavies/villains because of their appearance.
Agreed Jay, EP is the only place Abrams is allowed to be
Like Michael Bay was with the Ninja Turtles
@@zeldagameryt4018 not the, uh….example I would have chosen, personally 😬
@@jasonmarbach Sorry, that’s the only example I knew.
And this is how Matt Reeves could make the OG Clayface work in live action before potentially going more fantastical with it, I love it
It's interesting going from the huge Matt Hagen Clayface from TAS to the more Darkman style classic Karlo version here. Heck, I had never heard of Basil Karlo until "The Batman" series used him.
I'm only on episode 5, but I'm thoroughly enjoying the series. I just kinda wished the opening theme went as hard as the classic one in the 90's. Still, it's really good.
As much as I enjoyed the Hagen Clayface in the animated series, and Alan Tudyk's version from Harley Quinn, I really enjoyed this version of Clayface. What they did with Batman's rogues in this season is intriguing. I also like how Batman is so cold in these early episodes, he has shut himself off from everyone include Alfred, or as he calls him Pennyworth. Hearing this and seeing this, Bruce reminds me so much of Damian Wayne. So, I could see why Alfred would accept Damian as Bruce's son, young Bruce acted so much like him.
Really enjoyed this episode. It felt like a case straight out of LA Noire, from the plot, the investigating, the presentation, all the way down to the music.
These difference versions of Batman's rogues gallery aren't all unique to this specific series. This version of Clayface is based off the original comic adaptation. Before he became a hulk of a monster. Implying, that he was never meant to be a big physical threat like he was in the Animated series.
You don't know what wall bars are? I don't know a school sport hall without them. There are exercises you can do with them or affix other sports equipment to it. Didn't know that was seen as something old-timey.
Been around since the 19th century.
I love how this show has murder but isn’t too over the top with it like Invincible or Harley Quinn
Subtlety is a main component in Noir films.
Batman Escapes the Scene with a Grappling Gun [ASMR]
From Wikipedia:
The wall bars have many uses and are widely used in gyms and schools. They are used simply for climbing and for coordination skills, particularly in primary school education.[1] They are also used by more advanced gymnasts for resistance training, flexibility training or abdominal exercises. Gymnasts can hang from a higher bar with their back facing the bar and perform abdominal exercises, or hang facing the bar to stretch their back.[2] Wall bars are also useful for parkour training. They provide several different heights to jump to and provide an area from which to jump.[3]
The more you know
I think this was a tribute to Boris Karloff, who had the same problem as an actor.
It is a mix of Boris Karloff and Basil Rathbone. It was how the character was created in his Golden Age appearance.
I like this episode because I can properly use the term "swashbuckling"
It's not a twist babay! This is how the very first clayface was designed. The big clay monster was a way to gain traction again by grabbing younger audience's attention.
There's sooo many references to old school Hollywood in this ep. I love that you were able to spot Clayface's disguise as an homage to The Shadow, Adam. You're the first reacter who I've seen do that. Btw, I get a very late 30's/early 40's vibe from the writing. They definitely are playing up the "rich playboy and cad" stereotype with Bruce and a LOT of the main cast feel kinda high society.
"That would be a terrible way to die..." Final Destination 2 says hello.
I like that this show doesn't feature over-the-top murder, which makes sense since this is supposed to be more noir-themed.
Umm. Twist on classic villian??? This is kinda the original OG clayface take actually
Just finished the series. I LOVED the new takes on all the characters, some top tier Batman content right here 😊
Considering what Two-Face does to Montoya in the comics, I’m always interested whenever they interact in this show
I believe they said the show is set in 1940s.
Really hope yall enjoy the series
Honestly, I really like how they subdued clayface in this show. He doesn't need to be a big scary clay monster, just have his outside match the inside
It just has the AESTHETIC of the 40s, but is actually happening in modern day, it’s why no one (in the universe) makes a big deal about Gordon being black, or Montoya being gay.
I would also believe just no body cares about that in Gotham. People have better shit to worry about in that city lmao
That's not true. It is a period piece, just not historical. They use typewriters instead of computers at the GCPD, no one has cellphones and there are only rotary phones, and even the tech Batman uses that could be handwaved away as Bat-Tech is still all 40s-50s tech.
It's a fictional city. Just say it's real liberal for the times, or maybe in this version of DC's America, the timeline resulted in very different social politics by the 1940s.
It's no different than Batman: The Animated Series, where race and gender were not much of an issue in Gotham at all, despite reality. Sometimes we don't need social commentary, we need cool as fuck aesthetics of a time period and a fictional setting where we can wave away all the stupid bullshit that makes that time period suck.
@@LuxLoser BTAS was a mix of 1930s and 1990s, but was set in the modern day it’s why it was able to cross over with STAS and why that Batman was able to then transition into Justice League and Beyond so easily. Caped Crusader isn’t a period peace, it just has the Aesthetics of the 1930s, Bruce Timm himself has said so.
“You’re a good person and I love you. Give me kiss!!!” LMAO
I love that Basil's costar flat out calls out his bullshit!
Yes! The Shadow!! Somebody finally called it!!! 🤩🥰
This show is making me wonder how you two would like my adventures with Superman now, it’s almost the exact opposite of this, lighter more colorful, more futuristic. But also has like slight twists on antagonists. (It also has jack quaid which is great)
Ah resting dracula face just like my resting serial killer face
All I can say is more Batman Mom!
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oh wait your not my mom!
I heard your "Question" reference, Lashy!
This show is in a dark alleyway, shooting its shot. It’s trying to do something new with all the characters while still maintains what makes them recognizable. That’s very hard to do, but geezy chrizy if their swings aren’t landing. I cant wait to see what they do with Scarecrow or if they’ll tackle Mr. Freeze & Killer Crock.
What you guys were saying about JJ. Abrams…That’s how I fill about Zack Snyder.
Batman!!
technically not a twist, this is the original Clayface origin
JJ Abrams does great projects actually
Tell that to everyone who hated The Last Jedi. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
@@zeldagameryt4018 which was also great
Just not SW.
Last jedi was not great 😂😂😂@@daurydavis3983
Adam have you been watching Kite Man, Hell Yeah? every time you said it i thought of Kite Man haha
best ep of the whole season.
Clayface is actually one of Batman's earliest villains, and was in fact created by Bob Kane and Bill Finger themselves. In his first appearance he looked pretty much how he was in this episode, and the castle scene is directly from that comic.
Seriously, where are you guys getting this stuff? Basil Karlo's first appearance was in Detective Comics 40. The only weapon he used is a knife. There's no swordfight.
@@TheFiddleFaddle Sorry, mistyped. The SCENE with the swordfight is from that comic, with the castle set and the spiral staircase, but you're right, there's no actual swordfight.
A little off-topic, but I guess I’m out of the loop……why are we supposed to not like Abrams directing stuff anymore? His Star Trek films (especially Into Darkness) are phenomenal. I hate the Star Wars sequel trilogy as a whole, but I did enjoy TFA. MI:3 is an absolute gem in the Mission Impossible franchise in my opinion.
I agree his writing record is not great, but his directorial record (which is a surprisingly small sample) is not bad at all 🤷🏻♂️. Personal opinion of course.
HURRY UP!!!! IM WAITING FOR YOU GUYS TO WATCH THESE !!!! YOUR SO BEHIND!! LETTTSSS GOO HUSTLE HUSTLE
Of course you did.
I grew up with the animated series. I was ready to hate this.
I don't
Not a reimagined clayface dudes, that’s the original version of Clayface. Know ya comics history homies
Why didn’t you get the big cup
Resting Lich Face.
Adam, have you been reading One Punch Man?
What's with the tank top game recently?
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That's how electricity works 😒
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Oh wow! A cartoon show based on comic book fantasy that's doesn't poytray everything in a ultra realistic way...because it's a fantasy based on a comic book! Imagine that! I swear youtubers are getting more ridiculous every day...
Woke Batman sucks.