I was with the US Army Engineers in the 80's. This brings back so many memories. Well done lads, on both squads. Loved watching your precision and hustle.
Royal Engineers, or Sappers what more can you say !! Apart from the BEST REGIMENT in the British Army. I'm proud that my late Grandfather and late Father were Retird Majors of the Corps of Royal Engineers , I proudly wear in the Memory of my late Father who passed away 8 months ago, his Royal Engineers tie to work , lapel pin of the cap badge on my tie , HONI SOIT QUI MAL Y PENSE, and the grenade flash with 9 flashes only Regiment who has this Honour to wear it. UBIQUE EVERY WHERE. .
I was 1996 - 1998 mgb speed build team 72 engineer regt team. We are TA but at least we built a bridge, what you are building is best described as a over bridge. We built over a gap, the bridge was pallattised and strapped down and it had to be trafficed. That meant we had to sprint of the bridge with a 4 tonne up are arse.
we did it over a gap, pallets dropped, sort it from there, 4 tonner over in 8 mins 40 ish ( if memory serves ) hard work but enjoyed every second of it
We did it over a gap at Hawley Hard, then on our final exercisei t actually fell down the gap a bit whilst other squadron were doing it, THANK FUCK we thought, no bridging for us! Got to do an extra minefield clearance instead in mid July about 2pm......Would've rather done the bridge lol
Mark Dunn, I'm Ex 72 myyself, 2 Troop 118 Fld Sqd (monkey hanging H'pool!) I'm sure we held the world record (for about 20 mins) late 80's or early 90's,. Joss, Frog, Ian, Bri, myself and about 2 or 3 others( I'm sure it was an 8 man build). Happy days.
Built the MGB in the late 70's, In the Royal Australian Engineers and have a blown disk, and had a double hernia from speed trials caused by the bankseat beam, but never built like this . We had to put them on rollers and use a launch nose to push them over a gap... Seems beyond sensible to build it on the flat! Some of the bridges we built were doubles up to 0 mtrs class 20 tonne (upper box beams as shown and triangulated lower beams) that needed a truck and a full platoon of 35 to build and launch. The finished bridge weighing in the order of 35-40 tonne. Bloody hard work when you race against a clock! Forget bloody Work Place Health and Safety in my day!
@@sharkwolf7788 no you are incorrect it was a double girder Medium Girder Bridge capable of carrying light armour, used over gaps which could contain flowing water (Irrelevant like your interjection really)
@@smileyo9764 This video clearly shows an MGOB being built. MGOB is built on the flat, not over gaps. MGB= over gaps. MGOB= on the flat where there are culverts or other weak points on a route that means it won't handle heavy vehicles. This is MGOB. No roller. No nose.
@@sharkwolf7788 gee I thought all Engineer's had to be able to read and think laterally. I acknowledge that you are not "bridging" a gap and that no nose or roller frame would be required, no even jacks at that size and that it could be used to span damaged culverts etc. My point originally was and is that these are still the basic component's used in an MGB, in particular the Bank-seat beam... The lifting of which and the stumbling of my opposite resulted in serious injury whilst racing against the clock to build a approx 20 MTR double. The stumble was caused in part by the OC incorrectly adjusting the leveling jacks on the construction frame...which is obviously not in use in this demonstration. I think we can let.the matter rest, I understand the no need for rollers or frame. I hope you now understand my point... I was injured when affixing a Bank-seat exactly like the one in the video. They are heavy and dangerous when you are tired as we were building a 120 double with just 20 men, and managing to beat the then record. 35 years on I still pay the high price.
What a fantastic memory! Built a Bailey Bridge training at Ft Leonardwood and recall what a team effort can do. The one fellow should have been wearing gloves for safety. We also had (now obsolete) the M4T6 bridge that was used in Vietnam by the 919th Engr Co(Armd). Before my tour, but Engineers are "can do" everywhere.
Its all laid out for them. Hard work fair enough but try doing it off a bridge pallet, over a gap using the nose and jacking up and down. Well done all the same. Hope you enjoyed your beers.
Done this myself when I was in the RE back in the mid/lye 80’s. Good work but they got it easy! Originally the bridge was palletised with straps which and every pin needed to have its safety clip inserted as well. Whilst it wasn’t over a gap it was on roughshod ground not nice flat tarmac like these guys! Unofficially timed at just under 10mins which at the time was the fastest time and each of the side bridge sections was only lifted by 3 men and not 4 as well!
Ho partecipato anche io nel 1991 a quella gara a Osnabruck presso le Quebec barraks. Ero militare di leva del esercito italiano, 3 battaglione genio guastatori. Esperienza unica
Seems to be a British (NATO) Medium Girder Bridge (MGB) . A well trained group of Engineers, and yes they do practice on flat ground. Note how the site layout of the bridge components are arranged prior to the construction. This group of Engineers would have no problem with construction in day, night or cold weather operations.
Roger, NATO doesn't British, its any country that is in the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation. not that it means much, don't remember seeing many Poles, Greeks or Latvians in Afghan or Bos. just us, Yanks and Danes
Us "Yanks" as you call us call this a MGB. It's a great bridge and of British design just as was the earlier designed "Bailey Bridge" of WW-2 fame. This bridge is designed more for Main Supply Route (MSR) functions as opposed to say a Ribbon, or Assault type of bridge. But then that all depends on the terrain and situation. It would be interesting to see what the newest portable bridge design is that the British might be now working on.
MGB is still the standard for hand built bridging of this type. However you may want to have a look at the M18 Dry Support Bridge (DSB) it's made by the same company (WFEL Ltd).
not in uk its not. Mabey Johnson make it. and we also use LSB (the light support bridge) the bridge being built here is an MGOB (overbridge) the difference is the way its built (on the floor over a weak part of a route and not push launched) and the chocks that are placed in the P0 positions on 2nd and forth bays, or the bridge center giving 110 or 117mm ground clearance.
Its "two-one" sqn not "twenty one", we never say the RE Sqns or Regts like that after the numeric value twenty (Maidstone) unless it ends in a zero. eg ten sqn, seventeen sqn, four two sqn, fifty sqn. seems weird trying to write it down to explain it.
Mmmm, not a proper MGOB neither a proper speed build... No roller beam and not off the back of 4tonners and ratchets before you get into the bridge... lying out like a jigsaw... 1st Fd Sqn, 21 Engr Regt, Nienburg BFPO 48 1992 World Record Holders at Sapper Games @ 23 Engr Regt, Quebec Barracks Osnabruick...... 6mins & 31secs! From Thunderflash till the 4tonner went over the bridge!!!!
Oh and believe me.... when your CO is a fucking lunatic (Chris Elliot.... sorry sir!) and tries to bridge the Wesser with MGB using every pier set in BAOR, (3) his dog, a black lab called Bumble then you know!!! Non of the shit laid out before you start... again after Thunderflash!
That's a MGOB, Overbridge, it's used to cross over damaged ground / existing bridge that can't take the weight of traffic, you can tell by the wedges either at the ends or sometimes in the middle of the MGB.
I was with the US Army Engineers in the 80's. This brings back so many memories. Well done lads, on both squads. Loved watching your precision and hustle.
Royal Engineers, or Sappers what more can you say !! Apart from the BEST REGIMENT in the British Army. I'm proud that my late Grandfather and late Father were Retird Majors of the Corps of Royal Engineers , I proudly wear in the Memory of my late Father who passed away 8 months ago, his Royal Engineers tie to work , lapel pin of the cap badge on my tie , HONI SOIT QUI MAL Y PENSE, and the grenade flash with 9 flashes only Regiment who has this Honour to wear it. UBIQUE EVERY WHERE. .
The Royal Australian Engineers lapel badge is the same the Artillery has the bursting grenade but only has 7 flashes
I was 1996 - 1998 mgb speed build team 72 engineer regt team. We are TA but at least we built a bridge, what you are building is best described as a over bridge. We built over a gap, the bridge was pallattised and strapped down and it had to be trafficed. That meant we had to sprint of the bridge with a 4 tonne up are arse.
we did it over a gap, pallets dropped, sort it from there, 4 tonner over in 8 mins 40 ish ( if memory serves ) hard work but enjoyed every second of it
Really just 103 squadron, 72 regt in name alone. We must have done quite few training builds in the car park. Pallet straps, still hate them.
We did it over a gap at Hawley Hard, then on our final exercisei t actually fell down the gap a bit whilst other squadron were doing it, THANK FUCK we thought, no bridging for us!
Got to do an extra minefield clearance instead in mid July about 2pm......Would've rather done the bridge lol
Mark Dunn, I'm Ex 72 myyself, 2 Troop 118 Fld Sqd (monkey hanging H'pool!) I'm sure we held the world record (for about 20 mins) late 80's or early 90's,. Joss, Frog, Ian, Bri, myself and about 2 or 3 others( I'm sure it was an 8 man build). Happy days.
Mark Dunn great day
Nothing beats a day with the bridging nemesis! !!
the old bailey bribge, good times.
school of 95/96.
Chris Gillie yes great days heavy lifting and I was reme
Built the MGB in the late 70's, In the Royal Australian Engineers and have a blown disk, and had a double hernia from speed trials caused by the bankseat beam, but never built like this . We had to put them on rollers and use a launch nose to push them over a gap... Seems beyond sensible to build it on the flat!
Some of the bridges we built were doubles up to 0 mtrs class 20 tonne (upper box beams as shown and triangulated lower beams) that needed a truck and a full platoon of 35 to build and launch. The finished bridge weighing in the order of 35-40 tonne. Bloody hard work when you race against a clock! Forget bloody Work Place Health and Safety in my day!
it's MGOB. Not built over a gap, built over culverts or other weak points on roads
@@sharkwolf7788 no you are incorrect it was a double girder Medium Girder Bridge capable of carrying light armour, used over gaps which could contain flowing water (Irrelevant like your interjection really)
@@smileyo9764 This video clearly shows an MGOB being built. MGOB is built on the flat, not over gaps. MGB= over gaps. MGOB= on the flat where there are culverts or other weak points on a route that means it won't handle heavy vehicles. This is MGOB. No roller. No nose.
@@sharkwolf7788 P.S. same bankseat beam that I was injured lifting.
@@sharkwolf7788 gee I thought all Engineer's had to be able to read and think laterally. I acknowledge that you are not "bridging" a gap and that no nose or roller frame would be required, no even jacks at that size and that it could be used to span damaged culverts etc.
My point originally was and is that these are still the basic component's used in an MGB, in particular the Bank-seat beam... The lifting of which and the stumbling of my opposite resulted in serious injury whilst racing against the clock to build a approx 20 MTR double. The stumble was caused in part by the OC incorrectly adjusting the leveling jacks on the construction frame...which is obviously not in use in this demonstration.
I think we can let.the matter rest, I understand the no need for rollers or frame. I hope you now understand my point... I was injured when affixing a Bank-seat exactly like the one in the video. They are heavy and dangerous when you are tired as we were building a 120 double with just 20 men, and managing to beat the then record. 35 years on I still pay the high price.
What a fantastic memory! Built a Bailey Bridge training at Ft Leonardwood and recall what a team effort can do. The one fellow should have been wearing gloves for safety. We also had (now obsolete) the M4T6 bridge that was used in Vietnam by the 919th Engr Co(Armd). Before my tour, but Engineers are "can do" everywhere.
This is real engineering! Love it. It seems that the bridge can within at least 20 tons track or wheel load.
Its all laid out for them. Hard work fair enough but try doing it off a bridge pallet, over a gap using the nose and jacking up and down. Well done all the same. Hope you enjoyed your beers.
This is MGOB mate. No gap involved.
When I did my Z training at Ripon in 1951 we built a 90 foot double single Bailey bridge by hand in 45 minutes. Sapper H Webb
I believe I was in 308 plant sqadron then. SPR H Webb
1951 ? Damn.
Charles Webb even better
Done this myself when I was in the RE back in the mid/lye 80’s.
Good work but they got it easy!
Originally the bridge was palletised with straps which and every pin needed to have its safety clip inserted as well.
Whilst it wasn’t over a gap it was on roughshod ground not nice flat tarmac like these guys!
Unofficially timed at just under 10mins which at the time was the fastest time and each of the side bridge sections was only lifted by 3 men and not 4 as well!
Ho partecipato anche io nel 1991 a quella gara a Osnabruck presso le Quebec barraks. Ero militare di leva del esercito italiano, 3 battaglione genio guastatori. Esperienza unica
Bank Seat Beam was a 4 man lift when I was in.
Good effort all the same though it's a lot more difficult on uneven ground.
1992 12 sqn me scouse gribbins and Richie ??( sorry mate) that was our job
Seems to be a British (NATO) Medium Girder Bridge (MGB) . A well trained group of Engineers, and yes they do practice on flat ground. Note how the site layout of the bridge components are arranged prior to the construction. This group of Engineers would have no problem with construction in day, night or cold weather operations.
It's an MGOB
Roger, NATO doesn't British, its any country that is in the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation. not that it means much, don't remember seeing many Poles, Greeks or Latvians in Afghan or Bos. just us, Yanks and Danes
Us "Yanks" as you call us call this a MGB. It's a great bridge and of British design just as was the earlier designed "Bailey Bridge" of WW-2 fame. This bridge is designed more for Main Supply Route (MSR) functions as opposed to say a Ribbon, or Assault type of bridge. But then that all depends on the terrain and situation. It would be interesting to see what the newest portable bridge design is that the British might be now working on.
MGB is still the standard for hand built bridging of this type. However you may want to have a look at the M18 Dry Support Bridge (DSB) it's made by the same company (WFEL Ltd).
not in uk its not. Mabey Johnson make it. and we also use LSB (the light support bridge) the bridge being built here is an MGOB (overbridge) the difference is the way its built (on the floor over a weak part of a route and not push launched) and the chocks that are placed in the P0 positions on 2nd and forth bays, or the bridge center giving 110 or 117mm ground clearance.
still not beating our team's time (42 sqn), and that was when it was on pallets and over a gap
I remember this, was there! (Open day at Wimbish, son Tp Ldr)
Lucky they wore those helmets!!
Easy peasy - I was in the CRE for 22 years and it's quick
I forgot at the end of the build a 4 tonner has to drive over it. That is when your time stops. 9:30 is a good time.
Great video Trevor!
That was amazing work done.
Titan says..."Hold my beer" 😊 good effort lads
Its "two-one" sqn not "twenty one", we never say the RE Sqns or Regts like that after the numeric value twenty (Maidstone) unless it ends in a zero. eg ten sqn, seventeen sqn, four two sqn, fifty sqn.
seems weird trying to write it down to explain it.
Unless you were "Dirty Thirty" in Iserlohn??
@@grahambrowning6114 yes you're right there. 17 is an anomaly. and so would 13 be.....
I was in 35 Eng Reg in Hamlin. On my Cadre we did a 20 metre MGB over a gap in just over 12 mins. Where are the MGB`s now?
A nightmare for the tall soldiers.
My old Regt.
Mmmm, not a proper MGOB neither a proper speed build... No roller beam and not off the back of 4tonners and ratchets before you get into the bridge... lying out like a jigsaw... 1st Fd Sqn, 21 Engr Regt, Nienburg BFPO 48 1992 World Record Holders at Sapper Games @ 23 Engr Regt, Quebec Barracks Osnabruick...... 6mins & 31secs! From Thunderflash till the 4tonner went over the bridge!!!!
Oh and believe me.... when your CO is a fucking lunatic (Chris Elliot.... sorry sir!) and tries to bridge the Wesser with MGB using every pier set in BAOR, (3) his dog, a black lab called Bumble then you know!!! Non of the shit laid out before you start... again after Thunderflash!
@@ABZSteve sod that , the longest i did was a 21 bay DS for a rover to cross then stripon a restricted access sight. That was bad enough .
hi abz i was there that day we were 575 fd sqn(r) we were under 10min
It is a proper MGOB. If it did have a roller beam and gone over a gap it would have been MGB.
They're no 'dog' Sqn though but good drills.
@Crunch Hi mate. I was there 90 to 93 mate.
shame they were disqualified for not wearing safety boots.
MrPilberg army never wear safety boots
Alway missing a trick. Those panels weigh 200 KG. Get the folk to lift them.
26 A. E. S. can beat an AVLB min 😊
I always thought that bridges were meant to go over something, oh well.
Well where they where they couldn't really sooo
That's a MGOB, Overbridge, it's used to cross over damaged ground / existing bridge that can't take the weight of traffic, you can tell by the wedges either at the ends or sometimes in the middle of the MGB.
EX RE, We did used to do this over a gap. Any weather and NBC state, day or night. Would take a 70 ton tank. :D
101 engr regt doesnt have a 17 sqn, they have a 217 sqn though
darryl orr you what? google it. I'm in 17 SQN!