@@brotherinfaith3032 We don’t even know who the historical Muhammad actually was, or if he was one specific person, mate. The hadiths are obviously created by ignorant nomads which have built the mythical Muhammad we know today.
@@oishikhasan8500 It’s just a pity that for the vast majority of Islamic history, Muslims had no idea who even the mythical Muhammad was. Thanks to the Internet and the Sunnah being openly available to most, in many different languages, Muslims are really having their beliefs about him challenged. Mullahs and Imams can’t control the flow of information and can’t drip-feed believers any longer.
Just because child/minor marriages happened during the biblical and Islamic era doesn’t mean it was morally right. Along with the fact that Daniel is defending it scares me!
The thing is that, the quran explicitly says that mohammed is the greatest moral example that all humans should emulate and because this greatest example slept with a 9 year old girl, they HAVE to defend him or else they're going against their teachings. You'll also see debates with muslims on topics like slavery, sex trafficking, jihad, etc because these are all things that mohammed did therefore his followers MUST defend him. eg, Nadir says slavery is good because the slaves are sent to school and are educated therefore it should be brought back. Mohammed hijab says captive women WANT to be raped by their "strong muslim masters". Ali dawah says that people who leave the Islamic religion should be killed and he's proud of that law. Ali dawah also says that if HIS OWN DAUGHTER reached the age of 9 and begins puberty, he would tell her that she's ready for marriage. The lengths these people would go to defend that 7th century illiterate caravan robberis alarming
Men and Women should get married when they have sexual desire. The church has held to this. You should not tell people in their sexual hormonal peak to simply "not have sex" but should promote marriage. The age held by the church has ranged from 14-18, being consensual of course.
The Talmud seems to say it wasn't really allowed even back then. [Yehudah ben Teima] used to say: Five years [is the age] for [the study of] Scripture, Ten [is the age] for [the study of] Mishnah, Thirteen [is the age] for [observing] commandments, Fifteen [is the age] for [the study of] Talmud, Eighteen [is the age] for the [wedding] canopy, Twenty [is the age] for pursuing [a livelyhood]... (Mishneh Avot 5:21) People need to remember in the OT married women were not really responsible for farming per se and working in the fields along with the men. THey were expected to RUN THE BUSINESS of farming. They had to be intelligent and wise to trade the goods their husbands farm produced. Proverbs 31 traits are more likely to be found in a woman over 18 than a girl under 18. So while child marriage did happen the norm was still to marry later in life. Furthermore Muhammad also practiced polygamy. As did OT figures yes though generally anytime they did brought a lot of trouble to their families and you can see based on the consequences and God's standards that it was sinful. I would like to see Daniel defend polygamy especially Muhammads personal polygamy where he was allowed more wives than anyone else. The others could have 4 but he had 12 and how did he know it was okay to have 12 well God just decided to send him a vision that it was okay for him but no one else......it couldn't be that he made it up to fulfill his own desires or anything.....
@@davidryan8547If you look at Muhammad pbuh wives most were middle aged widows. His first wife was 40 years old when he was 25. The only women he married who was young was aisha (RA). In my opinion as a muslim we are told his life is a guide, so it tells us about all possibilities in the realm of marriage.
@Soldier how about you read the whole chapter? It is very clear this is referring to adults. Paul wrote Corinthians. And in his letters to the churches, especially corinthians, he is always very specific and addresses various issues he had to correct the churches on. If there was an issue or problem raised by the church about child marriage, Paul would’ve been specific and written something along the lines of “Regarding child marriage….” This is the style he writes in. So clearly the verse you quoted isn’t about children, and like I already said if you read the whole letter you can clearly see he’s talking to adults, the letter literally starts with a few principles Paul lays down for marriage and constantly mentions MAN and WOMAN, fully grown adults, not freaking children. What a pathetic attempt to defend child marriage ☠️
Comparing an innocent, vulnerable 8-year-old child to a grown 40-year-old adult is absolutely outrageous and unconscionable! Aisha, at such a young age, was not even given the opportunity to make her own choices or understand the horrific situation she was being forced into. It is absolutely sickening and infuriating that she was being sold off to a ruthless warlord, completely disregarding her
1. *_Mary's age._* Mary (رضي الله عنها) was 12-14 and Joseph was 90 when they get married. ( Catholic encyclopedia>St. Joseph>Marriage ) According to ancient Jewish custom, Mary could have been betrothed at about 12. ( Dale C. Allison, Matthew: A Shorter Commentary, p.12 ) 2. *_Rebecca's age._* Another tradition gives her age as three years and three days when she left her father’s house (Tractate Soferim, Hosafah [addition] 1, 1:4) Rebecca was 10 and Isaac (عَلَيْهِ ٱلسَّلَامُ) was 40 when they get married. ( Jashar 24:40 ) 3. *_Age of Consent in European Prior to the 20th century_* Professor of History Margaret Wade Labarge • “It needs to be remembered that many Medieval widows were not old, Important heiresses were often married between the ages of *5 and 10* and might find themselves widowed while still in their teens.” ( A Medieval Miscellany, page 52 ) Professor Richard Wortley and Professor Stephen Smallbone • “In Medieval and early modern European societies, the age of marriage remained low, with documented cases of brides *AS YOUNG AS SEVEN YEARS* , although marriages were typically not consummated until the girl reached puberty. (Bullough 2004) 4. *_Christian Kings_* • Isabella of Valois (aged 6) was married to Richard II of England (aged 29) in October 1396, a little over a week before her seventh birthday. • Cecile of France (aged 8/9) was married to Tancred, Prince of Galilee (aged 30/31), in late 1106. • Catherine of Valois-Courtenay (aged 10) was married to Philip I, Prince of Taranto (aged 34), in July 1313.
@@efootballmania the koran came out 600 years, SIX HUNDRED YEARS after the bible bro, your entire book is a copy cat of numerous books of gods and the one True Gods book the bible. Your book says Jesus was devout Muslim LOOOOOL A DEVOUT MUSLIM Jesus was born from a Jewish mother, in a Jewish household, in a Jewish city, in a Jewish state, in a Jewish country 😂😂😂😂 but Jesus is a Muslim? Buddy your book of fables is lying to you across the board.
Exactly, a child forced into marriage isn't consenting to fornication or having children with the full knowledge of the risks or, even if they are aware, they are being forced into it anyway. A grown woman _can_ understand the risks and make the decision to attempt to get pregnant or to use contraceptives or abstain. The comparison was _wild_ !
@@efootballmania Nice taqi-yya. The Catholic encyclopedia doesn’t say Mary was 12-14 when she was married. We got your taqi-yya busted last time. You are still repeating your script which shows abduls are not sincere. The Jewishencyclopedia says Rebecca was 20 at the time of marriage from Bible manuscripts. *According to the Book of Jubilees (xxxi. 8-11, 48), Jacob, when he arrived home, found his mother alive; She died at the age of 155, five years before Isaac's death (Jubilees, xxxv. 1, 41), this determining that her age when she married was twenty years.* Abduls cannot survive without taqi-yya
@@Jaryism I said God, not god. Yahweh, is God, Allah, is not. While I love the Muslim people, commend their commitment to the truth, their love for scripture, and desire to praise and worship the Creator of the Universe, we disagree on Who This Is. Because Gods nature is unchanging and therefore there can only be one true understanding of Who God is. My God, works imminently through His creation, because He sees His creation as Good, a reflection of His Glory, apart from its corruption by sin. Your god is a powerful bystander who commands the players on the field to make certain plays, and at times will actually alter space time to change the distance between the ball and the goal to make his team score. But no, Allah does not order events throughout history to His liking… that would be fatalism, something islam doesn’t like.
It depends what's happened I don't know how this happened he's great and corruption I got into a debate with a human trafficking expert and he said I have in my personal experience undercover have been to auction houses and where they house girls and women and they're treated no better than commercial farming. I bet it argument that there might still be human traffickers that still do it to traditional way of protecting the girls even after their headed off so what happened if a man bought a female or got her through it arrangement and he did anything wrong towards her physically he would be brutally killed or subtites publicly castrated the expert at Hewitt traffic he told me that has become the minority and his 40 years he entered the military 18 began do I go to cover work at 28th that's all he told me and he said my 40 years of working I have it matters to see what you're talking about not saying it doesn't exist and if it did exist I believe based on what I've seen in my experience they're going to keep it hidden because that industry even though it's diabolic is very competitive and there's no law there's no courts in the underworld they deal with potential threats and rivals through acts of violence. And he said it wouldn't be quite enforceable today because of greed and bribery he made it already be like let's say if you did manage to take over what of these facilities and managed to hire fine mercenaries to protect the girls and with it even after they are married off or it's relationship what if the man is aware of the contract yet he has boatloads of Buddy of talking billions if not billions of dollars. And he said what is going to stop that individual from saying yes to let's say five even a hundred million dollars yes if he's at that bad is a multi-billionaire like Bill Gates Elon musk etc 100 million is going to hurt but they will recover that's like getting a paper cut from telling the squad that's supposed to protect her to take the money and walk away at any point of the argument I'd be like what's your day I said I go by Mr Walker he says okay let's say you're this hypothetical person. And you you're running what would be illegal in the western society but most likely the United States judicial system would show you mediacy based on how you're treating caring for educating and providing protection for this unlawful business practice but what's to say that you won't finally turn to the dark side quoting Star wars if one of the kingpins decided to view you as a threat to rather than kill you they drop ped 4,000 pounds of physical gold at your doorstep it exchange you shut down your operation and transfer all the assets to that person you can't tell me that you would be deeply conflicted because you are broke am I correct yes okay you do know 4,000 lb of gold is worth billions of dollars yes you have all these dreams and admirations that you want to achieve but you're broke yes okay so the devil has dropped off what you want and the sacrifice is that you must make is a greater evil than what you're already in and I just said that's a very valid point and am I wrong that if you were to decline this gift that you would have a higher likelihood of being captured tortured and or killed as in this offered by the devil's not negotiable. I asked this speaker why did you for about the question this way because I don't think that's how all people in the other one economy work he laughed several dozen students laighed with him. A student that lives in Paramore just said I have recently redeemed drug dealer and I will tell you one thing Mr Walker is that criminals don't give an f about you or anyone else all they care about is money and cash flow and they don't care how they get it. So the fact that you think that there is any decency on the other world tells us that you're going to be killed or if you're so gullible and stupid they just might give you a little bit of money to walk away before you get yourself killed. Plano I could say is a valid point and I just said would it be plausible and he said yes but are you willing to live in a desert do you have the logistics to work at night because there's no way in hell and my 40 years of being undercover the underworld that you're going to be able to do it in the city or suburb you got to remember Mr Walker that criminals have spies everywhere they have eyes and ears everywhere you think big brother is bad the grandmasters or the main people that we try to go after and arrest but we can't because they have insiders they have people looking out for the because they got stupid amounts of money to get allies or find allies to buy them more time. This is one of the reasons why the department of defense and Justice enforcement we target the wallet if we could cripple their money we could catch them because now they're desperate they can't buy people off anymore they can't hire people to buy them more time and this is how we end up getting them this desperation causes them to be irrational illogical act very erratic and they make more mistakes than if they were called the collected they would never make the reason why they are panicking and flustered is because they know they are screwed whether it's the other world that will get them killed or tortured or the justice system either way that individual is screwed. And I said if that's the case they're just going to have you killed inside and he says no not necessarily we have an isolation department where each inmate is given a little box it's between 50 and 120 ft it does not have a shower you have to go to the shower hall. What you have is a toilet if you're lucky it has a cabinet to store your stuff in and a bed and if you're allowed books that's it the people I put away the bosses of what you're talking about they will spend the rest of their natural life at a 50 to 120 ft square box. So I'm going to conclude this argument that I do agree that you did an ideal World we could break something like that back virgin houses and virgin marriage houses where the women are protected but the world is too corrupt for us to do that the average jail with Jay does not have cup and said they don't have morals and since everyone's living paycheck to paycheck and they're all about themselves instead of community it just won't work. I agreed with the dod official and I was disappointed and he said that I'm not dissing your belief in a virgin marriage but I am going to let you know that you are walking a very narrow tightrope as the older you get I was 22 at the time I'm now 27 and he's right he says the older you or it become it's you're going to become a whitelist suspect whitelist suspects are people the department of defense and Justice deep suspected or future suspects as if they have a turd yet we determined this by I analyzing your digital footprints this is why we tried to tell you kids back in the early 2000s whenever you type on the internet never goes away
IP was the PERFECT person to tackle this. It’s always so frustrating watching debates with Daniel because nobody seems to catch him out in real-time even when he is being obviously deceptive, but Michael did and it is SO satisfying. Good job.
True. It's the first time i am seen him debate. He does have his own unique skill set. He also looks and sounds like a nice guy. I think IP was excellent in this debate.
Do you people even understand why Daniel is debating this? It has nothing to do with pedophilia. Most Muslims believe the hadith with Aisha's age IS WRONG. Only the Quran are the true words of God. Daniel just doesn't want attacks on the hadith because that's how it starts... until Islam becomes like Christianity and we lose the direct message from God. God's words don't change for atheism, liberalism, feminism, etc. The Quran is the truth and Islam is the true religion
Its unreal that they even had to debate this. Think about the number of calories that had to be burned to construct the arguments against something so blatantly evil, calories that could have been better spent on converting unbelievers and correcting bad theology.
@Soldier guess what! That verse isn’t referring to children. It’s a letter sent to church, meant for the grown ups of the church. Don’t take verses out of context.
The argument about women at the age over 35 having birth problems should be banned if child birth is banned. The difference is that a woman at the age 35 is a mature women who can give consent to getting pregnant. A 12 year old child cannot give consent to have sex.
@TROY A 12 year old has a significantly lower maturity level than a 35 year old, even if they are going through puberty. They can't give consent because they don't know the full expanse of what she'd be agreeing to. She doesn't understand marital relations the same way a man twice her age would. It's just common sense
@Nitais Servant actually, Joan of Arc was 18. She didn't fight in battle. You are comparing apples to oranges. Run a fact check. A lot of myths going around of her. You sound like a child molester to try and justify child marriage. People in the past had slaves, should we bring that too? You wouldn't last in that time. All you want is access to little girls. Where is the fbi?
Hop you have the same standard!! The Holy Bible -Psalm 137:9 9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks. -Leviticus 21:9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profanes herself by whoring, profanes her father; she shall be burned with fire. -Your god Luke 11:27 27 As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!” - How can god (Jesus) make his mother pregnant (a 12-year-old girl)?
@@m.albayati5925 you re just taking verses and writing lies, u just said jesus impregnated his mother when Mary gave birth to Jesus when She was a virgin, stop lying
@@m.albayati5925 -Psalm 137:9 is an observation made to a vicious bully -Leviticus 21:9 is a didactic collection and there's zero record that it was used as an actual law -Luke 11:27 is just a compliment to Jesus' Mom. Bonus - no real evidence exists to prove that Mary was the same age as Ayisha when the Prophet Momo (PBUH) did statutory grape on her For all the complaints Muslims make about their scripture being "taken out of context", it's ironic you do the same thing to others But since you're admitting there actually is a standard here to follow, are you now against the Prophet Momo for his statutory grape and abuse?
Daniel's major point seems to be that "a girl has sexual desires and his solution is to marry". However, the problem is that when we ask him what happens when he felt hungry or has the desire to eat during Ramadan, is the solution to go and eat (seeing that their fasting period just ended)? No, the solution is not marriage, it's self control, a child (in fact anyone) that gets married because of sexual desires is as dangerous as saying we should satisfy every desire we have, even if it is evil.
It is a wrong comparison. Ramadan is a voluntary way to feel the hunger. A better comparison would be to compare the sexual desire that a minor could feel with the desire to eat. If one feels hunger, he eats to satisfy his desire. Same thing otherwise, if one feels the desire to have sex, he just marries, and if he can't, then he abstains.
@@yanisakaba3118 So if a child's hormones is raging, they should get married?? IP said control it, your guy said get married. So you're of the opinion that a child should get married just to have sex?? That's the most illogical thing to say.
@@josephhutchins8 No, alcohol is prohibited by God. In that case, alcoholics should abstain and pray God to give them the strength to overcome this addiction.
@@Theonecarpenter Do you honestly think an 8 year old can commit to a marriage? Or a10 year old? I certainly do not think that a 9 year old can handle the responsibility of owning a gold fish let alone a marriage. Do you?
@@martytu20 It's a poor argument made from silence. Plus, every time the Bible describes a marriage it is described as being between a man and a woman, never between a man and girl.
@Soldier quoting random bible verses doesnt really mean anything to me, and i dont think we are morally better now just because it's the 21st century, that has nothing to do with why i reckon the current moral situation today is better than in the past. Just broadly since its a lot to get into, but today is better because of trending towards more freedoms, access of information, increase in certain qualities of life such as health, medicine, longevity, etc.
"society abandons child marriage at their own peril" Bruh. No shot he believes this. I agree we have a problem with promiscuity in modern society but freaking CHILD MARRIAGE is not the answer.
We have problems with promiscuity even between married couples. It’s basic human instinct and needs to be controlled. Daniel is basically saying that adultery is ok too. Muslims can’t control their desires hence why their own prophet took 12 wives instead of the already generous 4. Islam is a carnal political regime, not a religion and surely not spiritual.
Ancient Greek society and even England in the time of Shakespeare was very promiscuous despite the prevalence of child marriage and abuse against children... 🤔
Hope you have the same standard!! The Holy Bible -Psalm 137:9 9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks. -Leviticus 21:9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profanes herself by whoring, profanes her father; she shall be burned with fire. -Your god Luke 11:27 27 As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!” - How can god (Jesus) make his mother pregnant (a 12-year-old girl)?
I am proud to be one among many prayers who prayed for you to expose this man, you might not see this comment but I still want you to know that you've been a great help to me in my path of leaving the cult to join the Kingdom. God bless you, brother!
@@Feed_your_soul_with_quran where have Christians condoned or done it? We all follow God’s original concept of Adam and Eve. A fully grown man and fully grown woman. You guys need everything spelled out for you.
@@TReflection you didnt give me a single vers from the Bible so you are a clown. I dont just accept what priests say because some are heretical i only trust the Bible. Philippians 2:11
@@soldier7332 When did I said we are morally better? There's nothing wrong with getting married. When someone is married he cannot look at any other woman except his wife. But Muslims practice pedophilia. Pornography is a great sin, that's sexual immorality. Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 1 Corinthians 6:9 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars-they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” Revelation 21:8 People who commit sexual immorality, watching p*** and being pedophiles cannot go to heaven.
Stop quoting bible out of context lol this literally has. I thing to do with porn Paul has written in the previous verse that those currently unmarried should not seek to be married "just because." Marriage, in and of itself, is not something believers must pursue or achieve. To be celibate and single as Paul was is a good thing. For one, it allows a Christian to devote more time and energy to serving Christ (1 Corinthians 7:32-34). Paul adds a qualifier to this idea, as begun in verse 8. He refers to an unmarried person who "burns with passion." The context doesn't suggest someone who is oversexed or obsessed with sexuality. Rather, Paul means this in contrast to someone who has the gift of celibacy. A person who feels a strong desire for sexual activity ought to pursue marriage as would any other Christian. As a parallel application, those involved in romantic relationships or betrothals-engagement-should pursue marriage rather than engaging in sexual immorality because of a loss of self-control. This is something Paul will address more directly near the end of this chapter (1 Corinthians 7:36). Paul does not mean a person ought to rush into marriage simply because they are frequently "in the mood." Paul has directly stated that married couples ought to "have" one another, because of their sexual urges. He did not indicate one should "seek" a spouse for that reason: specifically so one can have sex (1 Corinthians 7:2). Those content in their singleness, without fighting a constant battle against their own sexual desire, should not seek to get married. Marriage itself is not, by default, better than being single. Neither is being unmarried better than being married. Paul's main concern here has to do with correcting any wrong thinking about reasons to get married or to avoid marriage. Nobody should choose one over the other thinking it inherently more spiritual or more honoring to God. Those choosing to remain unmarried should make that choice based on the gifts God has given to them specifically. Those who choose marriage, or who are already married, however, should continue to honor their marriage commitments, as explained in the following verses.
Hope you have the same standard! The Holy Bible -Psalm 137:9 9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks. -Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. 18 But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves. -Leviticus 21:9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profanes herself by whoring, profanes her father; she shall be burned with fire. -Your god Luke 11:27 27 As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!” - How can god (Jesus) make his mother pregnant (a 12-year-old girl)? *Note: Jesus is god, so he is the god of the old testament.
@@InspiringPhilosophy ***AGE OF ADULTHOOD IN THE BIBLE IS TWENTY **because God in the Bible called all those under the age of 20 as children* Numbers 14:29-32 ***In this wilderness your bodies will fall-every one of you twenty years old or more*** who was counted in the census and who has grumbled against me. Not one of you will enter the land I swore with uplifted hand to make your home, except Caleb son of Jephunneh and Joshua son of Nun. ***As for your children that you said would be taken as plunder, I will bring them in to enjoy the land you have rejected.*** But as for you, your bodies will fall in this wilderness.
@@InspiringPhilosophy Rebecca was 20 at the time of her marriage. This is from the jewishencyclopedia: *According to the Book of Jubilees (xxxi. 8-11, 48), Jacob, when he arrived home, found his mother alive; She died at the age of 155, five years before Isaac's death (Jubilees, xxxv. 1, 41), this determining that her age when she married was twenty years.* The Book of Jubilees is found in the manuscripts of the Dead Sea scrolls and is part of the canonical Bible of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church.
This debate made me literally sick to my stomach. This push to normalize pedophilia is pure evil! This debate really made me look at Islam in a totally different way now. Sickening!
@Dev 😆🤣😂 no question here. It is written in our books. It is historical. Maybe you are ignorant about it. Yeah, I should be arrested because I have an opposing view. Typical colonial imperialist mentality. You would have shot me dead some 200 years ago. Now you can't anymore 😂🤣😆. Well, someone from a degenerates society can't teach me anything about morals. Fix your backyard with children having sex, child phonography, teenage pregnancy, etc. Your society is a failed one.
Hope you have the same standard! The Holy Bible -Psalm 137:9 9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks. -Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. 18 But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves. -Leviticus 21:9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profanes herself by whoring, profanes her father; she shall be burned with fire. -Your god Luke 11:27 27 As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!” - How can god (Jesus) make his mother pregnant (a 12-year-old girl)? *Note: Jesus is god, so he is the god of the old testament.
@@m.albayati5925 islame what a beautiful religion 🕋💕💋🥰😍Bukhari 5133: “the Prophet (🐷) married her [Aisha] 👶when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old
Yes, you can do that. Also, children, need a Bible not change every time your pastor wants to do so It is not enough for heretics to lie to Jesus, now they insult Musa and make adultery legitimate. "O believers! Stand up for God, as Jesus, son of Mary, asked the disciples, “Who will stand up with me for God?” The disciples replied, “We will stand up for God.” Then a group from the Children of Israel believed while another disbelieved. We then supported the believers against their enemies, so they prevailed.
The idea that the "Bible changes every your pastors want" is a misrepresentation of bible translations by Muslims Translations of bible are done by studying the original languages and attempting to find to best equivalent in our language
@@LASLAY13 Christian does it in lesser? Are you drunk or high? Stupid babbling. Nowhere in the Bible did God allow Child Marriage. Evil Men does it and God knows it full well that it was because of sin that this lunacy happens.
@@LASLAY13 yep 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮RAPING YOUNG GIRLS IN THE BIBLE ✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️ Exodus 21:7 When a man sells his young daughter as a sex slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. 8. If she does not satisfy her owner, he must allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. RAPE IN THE BIBLE 2 Samuel 13:14 Brother(Amnon) Rapes his Sister(Tamar) 14.But he would not listen to her, and being stronger th an she, he violated her and lay with her. Judges 21:21 Wait there for the young women of Shiloh to come out and perform their dances. Then rush out and grab one of the young women, then take her home as your wife. Numbers 31:17-18 So kill all the boys and all the women who have had intercourse with a man. 18. only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves. Deuteronomy 20:14 But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the plunder from your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.
Yep very sad RAPING YOUNG GIRLS IN THE BIBLE ✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️ Exodus 21:7 When a man sells his young daughter as a sex slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. 8. If she does not satisfy her owner, he must allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. RAPE IN THE BIBLE 2 Samuel 13:14 Brother(Amnon) Rapes his Sister(Tamar) 14.But he would not listen to her, and being stronger th an she, he violated her and lay with her. Judges 21:21 Wait there for the young women of Shiloh to come out and perform their dances. Then rush out and grab one of the young women, then take her home as your wife. Numbers 31:17-18 So kill all the boys and all the women who have had intercourse with a man. 18. only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves. Deuteronomy 20:14 But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the plunder from your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.
Hope you have the same standard! The Holy Bible -Psalm 137:9 9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks. -Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. 18 But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves. -Leviticus 21:9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profanes herself by whoring, profanes her father; she shall be burned with fire. -Your god Luke 11:27 27 As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!” - How can god (Jesus) make his mother pregnant (a 12-year-old girl)?
🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️ AGE OF RAPE AGE OF MARRIAGE IN 🇺🇸 USA 19th and 20th centuries In Delaware, the age of consent was 10 years old until 1871 when it was lowered to 7 years old. Under the 1871 law, a man was given the death penalty for sex with a girl below the age of consent.[22] In 1880, 37 states had an age of consent of 10 years, 10 stat es had an age of consent at 12 years, and Delaware had an age of consent of 7 years. [23][24]
@@luthlexor123 Ha ha ha yeah evil because I say so. Nothing new here. Children in your society engage in sex, society encourage them to change their gender and get castrated. LOL ha ha ha. Well we don't take moral values from people with no objective standards. People in filth. LOL
Daniel is just Built Different, Michael....is just Built Better. Thank you for ending this Mike, this was beautifully handled. Like you said, we convince one heart at a time, my faith in Christ has grown because of this debate. God bless you and your mission.
@Soldier 1 Corinthians 7:8 completely eradicates this claim. Literally LOOK AT THE VERSE BEFORE IT! "[8] But I say to the unmarried and to the widows: It is good for them if they remain even as I am; [9] but if they cannot exercise self-control, let them marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion." It's literally just saying that widows should marry someone rather than being deprived of sexual activity, especially when such deprivation can cause sexual immorality.
Jesus did condemn this. He said that marriage is when a woman is given to a man. Not a child being given to a man. He condemned all sexual activity out of this set of marriage.
Hope you have the same standard! The Holy Bible -Psalm 137:9 9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks. -Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. 18 But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves. -Leviticus 21:9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profanes herself by whoring, profanes her father; she shall be burned with fire. -Your god Luke 11:27 27 As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!” - How can god (Jesus) make his mother pregnant (a 12-year-old girl)? *Note: Jesus is god, so he is the god of the old testament.
@@m.albayati5925 im not good with the Bible because I'm not a Christian. Hopefully a Christian will answer your questions. The last part is about the trinity which is easy lol. Father that is god the holy spirit is the spirit of God and the son is Jesus with basically God in human form is Jesus. Again I'm not an expert in Christianity ask a priest or something. Edit: But again this debate was about wheather child marriage should be allowed or not and the famous muslim convert Daniel Pikachu is advocating for it.
every time he said the bible doesn't condemn it i was so annoyed, the ezekiel 16 example actually proves that God Himself does not consider a girl/woman to be of the "age to love" until her breasts are fully formed, a quick google search will show that the average age this occurs is 18 also rebekah was not 3. just because the bible narrates these events in a certain order doesn't mean they occurred in that order, and reading rebekah's story it is clear she's older than 3.
A close reading will show that the bible does not narrate when Rebecca was born, only that Abraham was informed that she and a variety of others had been born.
Define youth before the adventure of vaccines antibiotics and the destabilized we did it a piece. For almost 100 years the United States has been at peace since 1875 give or take that was the beginning of the end of the outlaw era in the beginning of the incarceration era of these privatized prisons Andy slowly eroding of hating people firing squad etc you still have Jade gauge which were developed later. Just researching history so and this peace period will be coming to an end soon because it's very rare for peace to go past 200 years for some reason we humans as a species can't stop killing each other on a large scale for at least a thousand years. The longest piece. Was during the pax roman. Which actually coincides with Jesus Christ ironically this was 23 BC all the way up to $239 ad at the end of this period the robot empire officially collapsed by 600 AD of the Catholic church was able to see 100% control if this would work the official beginning of the Middle ages around 600 to 700 AD.
Dear FBI, pls don't arrest me! By the way, I find it funny how Daniel compares a 20 year old sleeping with a 17 year old to a 54 year old man with a 9 year old girl. And if child marriage was such a good way to prevent other problems, does that mean everybody should give their children away as soon as they reach puberty or even before that? That all 10 year olds should marry? And even if we had to let children marry, why should a 9 year old marry a 54 year old and not someone of the same age? It would be stupid, but it wouldn't be as disgusting. The parents of them could support both of them, so there's no reason the man would have to be old enough to be her grandfather. Daniel, if you asked an average, honest muslim father to marry and do the other thing with his 9 year old daughter, he would stone you to death right then and there.
Daniel Haqiqatjou sounds like an incredibly dangerous man in this debate. I wouldn’t let my children within a hundred miles of this guy. And what’s even more frightening, is the way that his comments section is praising him on his upload of this same video. There is an entire population of people who feel this way.
@@SovereignJarodKwan Well I would encourage you not to go to his channel.. they are literally celebrating his “win” and his defence of the Prophet.. it’s actually making me quite ill reading the comments. Islam really is based at its core on perversion. So many people defending child sexual activity under the guise of “marriage”” so predatory
@@hereweare9096 i've seen enough of daniel talking to know he will be dragged to the underworld kicking and screaming. I dont need to see anymore of his talks because all it will do is awaken a homicidal aspect of myself in which I must keep under control until I am unleashed by Jesus. And Yes, Islam is a disturbing religion and nothing but debauchery and other exceedingly negative lifestyles. i'm a live and let live type but it's one of the few religions that must be eradicated off the face of the planet.
@Hope you have the same standard! The Holy Bible -Psalm 137:9 9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks. -Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. 18 But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves. -Leviticus 21:9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profanes herself by whoring, profanes her father; she shall be burned with fire. -Your god Luke 11:27 27 As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!” - How can god (Jesus) make his mother pregnant (a 12-year-old girl)? *Note: Jesus is god, so he is the god of the old testament.
A 3 year old Rebecca drew water from the well and watered 10 camels 😂😂. Every parents would agree that a 3 year old could do all that 😂😂 Edit: Child marriage is still going on in Sub Saharan Africa and it's in Islam. Why? Because they encourage it. Child marriage happens in northern Nigeria.
Rebecca was 20 at the time of her marriage. This is from the jewishencyclopedia: *According to the Book of Jubilees (xxxi. 8-11, 48), Jacob, when he arrived home, found his mother alive; She died at the age of 155, five years before Isaac's death (Jubilees, xxxv. 1, 41), this determining that her age when she married was twenty years.* The Book of Jubilees is found in the manuscripts of the Dead Sea scrolls and is part of the canonical Bible of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church.
***AGE OF ADULTHOOD IN THE BIBLE IS TWENTY **because God in the Bible called all those under the age of 20 as children* Numbers 14:29-32 ***In this wilderness your bodies will fall-every one of you twenty years old or more*** who was counted in the census and who has grumbled against me. Not one of you will enter the land I swore with uplifted hand to make your home, except Caleb son of Jephunneh and Joshua son of Nun. ***As for your children that you said would be taken as plunder, I will bring them in to enjoy the land you have rejected.*** But as for you, your bodies will fall in this wilderness.
Doesn't matter what any book of religion says, I support marriage between two consenting adults who are physically and mentally mature. I'm a practising Christian, btw
@Nitais Servant depends! So age of physical maturity for girls: 15-16 Boys: 16-18 Mental maturity: varies from person to person I'm 21, but I'm not remotely mature enough to start something like a marriage. Actress Mille Bobby Brown engaged with Von Jovi's son and they are 19 and 20 respectively. Maybe they are mature enough
@Nitais Servant it's true that the age of 18 is a Western concept. But I believe that most women nowadays aren't ready for marriage even after the age of 21. 18 is the age by which most people complete school, so it's a good estimate
@Nitais Servant yep, it's random. But mental maturity is important. But we do need a number to prevent child marriages. In India, the number is 21 (to prevent ... mostly Muslims and some uneducated Hindus, too) I guess you know our population issue. Yes, nowadays people become mature at a later age. Teenage is a fairly recent thing. Teenagers in the Middle Ages had a complete different style of life
Fucks sake child marriage is legal in the US. It isn't the end all be all of Islam. We can have progressive Islam as well. We don't have to live by the standards of primitive desert people.
You can literally sense how messed up Aysha (Muhammad's 9yo wife) became from the literature she said (her hadiths) after she has grown. She was seriously messed up in the head that she was actually one of the reasons Muslims divided into Shias and Sunnis. She was super controversial in everything she does. Poor woman.
See how the pervert Daniel is trying to rationalize that Rebecca was 3 years old even after it being completely refuted. Islam truly shuts down truth seeking
I'd be willing to debate him on this subject. Can you set it up? I'm an atheist and my arguments that the bible promotes sex within adult child marriage are more forceful than anything Dan offered.
@@metroplier8392 It is my position that the bible contains certain passages that are reasonably interpreted as indicating that god approves of sex within adult-child marriages. Those arguments are not going to lose force by merely observing that the vast majority of Christians in the last 2000 years have thought God approved only of sex within adult-adult marriages.
As a Sub-saharan African - Nigerian precisely, child marriage is practiced in the Northern part of Nigeria which is predominantly MUSLIM. So, I fail to understand what @MuslimSkeptic means by saying, since Sub-saharan Africa is largely Christian, child marriage becomes somewhat of a Christian problem.
Lol exactly!! Nigeria literally has 2 ages of consent in order to accommodate Islam child marriage and their culture. Lets not forget that some Muslims even intermarry within their families (I.e marrying their cousins).
Right? He keeps bringing up 10 year olds having relations as if that were a common problem! I just think that statistically that's *extremely* rare. Even if he focused on teenagers instead of 10 year olds, sexual relations are nowhere near as common among underaged teenagers as tv shows & movies would have you believe. And then he had the gall to imply that a marriage between a 10 year and a 25 year old was more permissible than two underaged people sleeping together?
@@Homophobic_racist_sexist_pdf I don't care about feelings of psychopaths that support these stuff. Are you supporting them? If yes, you are a psychopath
@@Homophobic_racist_sexist_pdf Psychopaths according to science don't care about other's feelings. I just called these people not literally event though some maybe. It is like a substitute for hearless people. Here people are even supporting heartless sins, so i just called them, why?
I am nothing short of vehemently disgusted by Daniel's argument. It is so much worse than I could have imagined. It is hard to believe someone would go, unmasked, and defend his point.
Even 20 year olds are still seen as children in Nigeria, I don't know about any other part of Africa 🙄 Daniel: children 10-12 years are seen as adult in Africa... Trust me bro
17:01 He on one hand says that sexually frustrated kids need to have sex with men and on the other hand says that teaching sex education is terrible. Wait so teaching kids about sex is terrible but actually having sex with them isn’t? Did he just say that?
Yeah, that is his position. To stop 10 year olds messing around with each other in sex games/experiments, which daniel defines a western debauchery, daniels solution is to marry those kids to adult who can then have s-x with them. What a monster. Wow.
Hope you have the same standard!! The Holy Bible -Psalm 137:9 9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks. -Leviticus 21:9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profanes herself by whoring, profanes her father; she shall be burned with fire. -Your god Luke 11:27 27 As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!” - How can god (Jesus) make his mother pregnant (a 12-year-old girl)?
@@m.albayati5925 you have obviously spammed the entire comment section with this , what point do you want to drive home? You pick excerpts and phrases that does not even correlate with the topic at hand not to even depict any true sense For instance : Psalm 137 is all about a song of cry from captives and verse 8-9 is their prayers of revenge against their captors Leviticus was written at a time of great violence and gore, there were wars and killings all over the land at the time And that Luke... How does that depict Jesus impregnated his mother? And let's be real the age of marriage according to the Roman law at that time was 13-16 due to mortality and morbidity rate and now due to improvement in medicine, that has changed people live longer immunes life so now, nobody in their RIGHT mind will argue that such should still be the case and child marriage should still be a thing. Please stop spreading misinformation
That moment when Jesus actually condemned Children sexual immorality; "If anyone causes one of these little ones that follow me to sin, it is better that a millstone be hung around his neck and dropped into the depths of the sea."
@@m.albayati5925 In context: "Remember, Eternal One, how the Edomites, our brothers, the descendants of Esau, stood by and watched as Jerusalem fell. Gloating, they said, “Destroy it; tear it down to the ground,” when Jerusalem was being demolished. 8 O daughter of Babylon, you are destined for destruction! Happy are those who pay you back for how you treated us so you will no longer walk so proud. 9 Happy are those who dash your children against the rocks so you will know how it feels." It's about Karma being a bitch not about murdering children
@@didatebnedidar3716 Jesus uses the term "Little ones" because Children are the greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven, according to him. He says this explicitly. Demands that his followers be like little children in order to get into the Kingdom of Heaven. So leading a man into temptation is just as evil as leading a Child into temptation. Because they are equivocated by Jesus referring to his disciples as "Little ones".
You purposefully make christians look bad by putting people like IP into debates who basically said, the whole of Christianity was wrong before secular enlightenment. I know you are secret muslim doing Taqqiya to gather Christian audience and make them far from god. You are a bad human being
Listening to 1:18:15, it just popped into my mind that would the same standard be argued for young boys? That is, with all their raging hormones, they should be allowed to marry at very young ages of 8-14? But then I realized it's way off topic, but an interesting thought.
1:25:32 Sub-Saharan Africa is not all Christian. I wish it were. Just a Google search will show you which regions and even in southern and eastern Africa, you find large regions which are Muslim. Do child marriages occur in Christian communities? Yes? Are they encouraged? No! Do child marriages happen in Muslim communities? Yes! Are they encouraged? Yes! So, when a point is raised about STD, it is not in Christian communities because the region is filled with both, as well as with traditional African religions. Edit - 1:27:30 - Child marriages in Nigeria come predominantly from the Northern region which is Muslim dominated and Sharia ruled.
No it's not it's just that humanity has been modernized to the point that people born 1950 and above have lost touch with reality before 1950 during the great wonderful era of prosperity after the United States One World war two and rebuilding a lot of the rebuilding was halfway through in many of the key infrastructure cities in the 1950s it was moving. The lifespan since 1900 has a hundred x the average lifespan before antibiotics and vaccines was around 30 to 50 years of age now if you take care of yourself and you listen to nutritionist and doctors are expected to live 100 plus they're only about 13 countries I can think of that still have that life expectancy of less than 50 years old but three confirmed
🤮🤮🤮🤮RAPING YOUNG GIRLS IN THE BIBLE ✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️ Exodus 21:7 When a man sells his young daughter as a sex slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. 8. If she does not satisfy her owner, he must allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. RAPE IN THE BIBLE 2 Samuel 13:14 Brother(Amnon) Rapes his Sister(Tamar) 14.But he would not listen to her, and being stronger th an she, he violated her and lay with her. Judges 21:21 Wait there for the young women of Shiloh to come out and perform their dances. Then rush out and grab one of the young women, then take her home as your wife. Numbers 31:17-18 So kill all the boys and all the women who have had intercourse with a man. 18. only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves. Deuteronomy 20:14 But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the plunder from your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.
Do you people even understand why Daniel is debating this? It has nothing to do with pedophilia. Most Muslims believe the hadith with Aisha's age IS WRONG. Only the Quran are the true words of God. Daniel just doesn't want attacks on the hadith because that's how it starts... until Islam becomes like Christianity and we lose the direct message from God. God's words don't change for atheism, liberalism, feminism, etc. The Quran is the truth and Islam is the true religion
Why did God create human reach the age of puberty at young age if he doesn’t want them to get married at that young age Christianity condone it Also human evolution condone it just look at animals It’s interesting how Christians become liberal atheists when debating muslims
@@turkihazem The Bible and Christianity is not self indulgent nonsense like islam. The Bible even recommends virginity 1 Corinthians 7:38 "the one who is married will do well but the one who is not married will do better" 1 Corinthians 7:32-33 " The unmarried man is anxious for the things of the lord and how he may gain his approval. The married man is anxious for the things of the world and how he may gain his wife's approval and he is divided. Verse34 says the same but with the woman instead
@@turkihazem puberty is not an overnight process . Puberty takes 3 to 5 years to get completed . Marrying a child just because she got her first menses is paedophilia and it is nowhere mentioned that Aisha got puberty at 9 years . Along with physical maturation mental maturation of the body is also important as shown by mri scans of the brain in late teenagers compared with that of children
@@lil8282 1. His words were “Children TODAY” and I assure you, 10 years olds are children just like they are in other parts of the world. They are NOT considered adults in any way, shape or form. 2. Even then, that’s still not true. I am African, that’s just not how the culture worked “10 years old are adults”
@Hope you have the same standard! The Holy Bible -Psalm 137:9 9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks. -Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. 18 But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves. -Leviticus 21:9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profanes herself by whoring, profanes her father; she shall be burned with fire. -Your god Luke 11:27 27 As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!” - How can god (Jesus) make his mother pregnant (a 12-year-old girl)? *Note: Jesus is god, so he is the god of the old testament.
@@lil8282 Clearly you are ignorant. What do you know about Africa besides what media feeds you..... A 10yr old child in Africa in the past and today was always a child and treated as such that is, protected, and provided for and in this case of a girl not given out in marriage to be molested as was done in Europe and Palestine.
No one says that. You could see: like that: Nuns Sexually Abused These Women For Years. Now Survivors Speak Out: ua-cam.com/video/OQcbtLOcHtg/v-deo.html How the Catholic Church Hid Away Hundreds of Irish Children | Times Documentaries
Hope you have the same standard!! The Holy Bible -Psalm 137:9 9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks. -Leviticus 21:9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profanes herself by whoring, profanes her father; she shall be burned with fire. -Your god Luke 11:27 27 As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!” - How can god (Jesus) make his mother pregnant (a 12-year-old girl)?
Notice it's never 8 year old boys arguing on a debate stage that they should be allowed to marry. It's just weird adult men arguing that they should be allowed to marry children much younger than them. Funnily enough, I never see any children debating many issues at all, hmmm... why is that? Could it be that children have childlike minds and haven't developed psychologically and don't understand many concepts at all. If marriage is seriously the issue, then let the 8 year Olds marry the 8 year Olds, but that's not what they want to do is it, no, the adults want the right to marry the children, not the children to marry the other children. Gtfoh
It would be one thing if he argued that hormonal teenagers marrying each other would solve the promiscuity problem (it probably wouldn't). It's another thing for him to argue that full grown men should have the right to marry girls who haven't even finished puberty.
Actually women are hitting puberty younger and younger ever since we modernized which is actually an anomaly and are science understanding because this didn't happen before industrial revolution of vaccines antibiotics able to do inpatient Care on an adequate sanitized level and we still to this day scientists can't understand why women are having. 3-8 years old. And the youngest mothers in history was 5-year-old she was four had a child at 5:00 and you can look at this disturbing list that is being tracked I don't know his tracking it and I know a government somewhere is funding it.. I started to research this for my pitfalls and American sex education paperwork but I was told that was forbidden at civitas state college so I had to back away I was also for better to research survivor type studies to leave it politely I wanted to find scientific and documented evidence why I believe in virgin marriage I did find a paper of changes that a woman goes through what she has her first experience but again the college told me about allowed to put in my paper
@@scrappychildhood6633 yes girls are going through puberty earlier but that is a totally seperate issue to precocious puberty where girls of very young age such as the 5 year old who gave birth. That is out of the bounds of normal puberty, its a rare medical condition. As for why girls are going through normal puberty earlier we do actually have a good idea of why this is happening. The first is that children are fatter. Even the children of normal weight are about 8lbs heavier than their counterparts of 50 years or so ago. More fat means more oestrogen which is thought to be resulting in the earlier puberty. We also know that in homes where a father is absent puberty occurs approximately a year earlier in girls. Given the large rise in single parent households (usually headed by mothers,) we could reasonably expect that to bring down a countries average age.
@@scrappychildhood6633 There are many contributing factors in precocious puberty. Often is a very high level of estrogen. This is more common in overweight girls. There are additives in foods today that we didn't have before that contribute. These additives are also suspected to feminize males as well. Marrying off a child because they started puberty is nuts especially a they are too young to even understand what is happening to their bodies.
@@scrappychildhood6633 again STARTING Puberty doesn’t mean that young girl is ready for sexual encounters. Puberty takes YEARS to complete it is not an overnight process. The young child of five you speak of was R@p ed and had precocious puberty .. which is too early the onset of puberty. It again does NOT mean she should be married off. Also the child would need c/section and child likely born premature etc.
A Christian apologist once uttered some golden words:If you follow the way Jesus lived His life, you would be totally fine.But if you lived like Muhammad, you'd go to prison and be guilty for damaging others.And with that, we've said it all.
@Soldier When i was under the age of 10 and in fundamentalist church, the adults were, in general, sexually repressed, so no one ever talked about sex, which kept the kids both repressed and ignorant. Yet all around me society was still obsessed with sex in all sorts of ways. I actually developed the notion that "true" religious fervor, being "on fire for the Lord", would "solve" the problem of unconsummated sexual desire! 😇. Then i read that passage in. I Corinthians 7:8 about how it's "better to marry than to burn". 🙄 That gave me the impression that most Christians got married only for sex, not because they loved each other! Isn't religion "moral"! 🙄😆 Until well into the 20th century, if a single woman and man wanted to have sex, what they often did was to first marry to satisfy the usual "moral" community standard set by Paul that it's "better to marry than to burn", then got a quickie divorce claiming "fornication", which, according to "Jesus" in Matthew 5:31, is the only grounds for divorce. Then of course they'd repeat that process as many times as they wanted sex with other partners. After a while things changed, as younger people actually started questioning the status quo and just got so sick and tired of the older generation's religious hypocrisy.... Now the Internet provides something unheard of in the olden days, many forums to actually converse and exchange opinions about these matters. That also means religions can keep on spreading their same old propaganda, although with updates to make it look better to the latest generation....
@@deepforestfire Well Daniel doesn’t seem to know that. He is advocating that children act on urges. I have not seen him say fir children to work on self control and to wait until they are passed those initial flush of hormonal changes occur.. he doesn’t advocate working on education or learning a skill set. He thinks sexual activity for kids is fine..
@@hereweare9096when do people become adults instead of kids? When you pass the consent age that’s been dictated by governments to keep you in line? 🤣🤣🤣 do your research nobody said marry kids instead he’s advocating against fornication and pornography and masturbation that’s a standard occurrence in every christian house 🤣🤣🤣
The guy is unhinged. Hopefully anyone who is friends with him knows to keep his/her children away from this guy, he is a monster. Every single thing he said is nauseating...
proof below European & American christian men married girls as young as 3 & 6 years old In Christian America more than 200,000 children were married between 2000 & 2015 proven in video below: Why does the US have so many child brides? - BBC News Oct 24, 2017 ua-cam.com/video/erRrF8YWGd4/v-deo.html&ab_channel=BBCNews .....In the 12th century, Gratian, the influential founder of canon law in medieval Europe, accepted the age of puberty for marriage to be around twelve for girls and around fourteen for boys but acknowledged consent to be meaningful if both children were older than seven years of age.[4] There were authorities that said that consent could take place earlier. Marriage would then be valid as long as neither of the two parties annulled the marital agreement before reaching puberty, or if they had already consummated the marriage. Judges sometimes honored marriages based on mutual consent at ages younger than seven: in contrast to established canon, there are recorded marriages of two- and three-year-olds.[3]..... .....The American colonies followed the English tradition, and the law was more of a guide. For example, Mary Hathaway (Virginia, 1689) was only nine when she was married to William Williams.[6] Sir Edward Coke "made it clear that the marriage of girls under 12 was normal, and the age at which a girl who was a wife was eligible for a dower from her husband's estate was 9 even though her husband be only four years old."[3]..... ......In the 16th century, a small number of Italian and German states set the minimum age for sexual intercourse for girls, setting it at twelve years. ...... ......Portugal, Spain, Denmark and the Swiss cantons initially set the minimum age at ten to twelve years.[7]...... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent more proof below European & American men married girls as young as 3 & 6 years old: - Isabella of Valois (aged 6) was married to Richard II of England (aged 29) in October 1396, a little over a week before her seventh birthday. - Anne of Gloucester (aged about 7) was married to Thomas Stafford, 3rd Earl of Stafford (aged about 22), circa 1390. -ecile of France (aged 8/9) was married to Tancred, Prince of Galilee (aged 30/31), in late 1106. As he was dying in 1112, Tancred made Pons, Count of Tripoli, promise to marry her; Pons and Cecile were married later that year, when she was 14/15 and he was 13/14. - Joan of France (aged 9/10) was married to Odo IV, Duke of Burgundy (aged 22/23), in 1318. - Maria of Navarre (aged 8/9) was married to Peter IV of Aragon (aged 18) in July 1338. - Marie of Ponthieu (aged 9), was married to Simon of Dammartin (aged 27/28) in 1208. - Elizabeth de Badlesmere (aged 3) was married to Edmund Mortimer (aged about 13/14, possibly younger) in 1316. - Marie of Berry (aged about 11) was married to Louis III de Châtillon in 1386. After Louis's death, she was married to Philip of Artois, Count of Eu (aged 34/35), in 1393 at the age of about 18. -eatrice of Vermandois (aged about 10) was married to Robert, Margrave of Neustria (aged about 24; later King of West Francia), in c. 890 -Beatrice of Castile (aged about 11), illegitimate daughter of Alfonso X of Castile and his mistress Mayor Guillén de Guzmán, was married to Afonso III of Portugal (aged 42/43) in 1253. - Maud de Ufford (born 1345/46) was married to Thomas de Vere, 8th Earl of Oxford (aged about 15), sometime before 10 June 1350, when Maud was about 5-years-old. - Matilda of England (aged 11), daughter of Henry II of England, was married to Henry the Lion (aged about 37/39) in 1168. - Eleanor of England, daughter of Eleanor of Aquitane and Henry II of England, married 15-year-old Alfonso VIII of Castile in 1170, when she was about 9-years-old. - Eleanor of England, daughter of Eleanor of Aquitane and Henry II of England, married 15-year-old Alfonso VIII of Castile in 1170, when she was about 9-years-old. - Elizabeth de Bohun (aged about 9) was married to Richard Fitzalan (aged 12/13) in 1359. - Agnes of France was betrothed at age 8 and is reported to have been 9-years-old when she married Alexios II Komnenos (aged 10) in 1180. She was widowed in 1183 at the age of 12, and was then married to Andronicus Comnenus (aged 65); he died two years later. - Isabella of Hainault (aged 10) married Philip II of France (aged 14) in 1180. She had previously been betrothed to Henry, future Count of Champagne, when he was 5 and she was only 1. - Marie of Brienne (aged about 10) was married to Baldwin II of Constantinople (aged about 17) in 1234. - Margaret of England (aged 11) was married to Alexander III of Scotland (aged 10) in December 1251. -Elizabeth of Sicily (aged 8/9) was married to the future Ladislaus IV of Hungary (aged 7/8) in 1270. - Katherine Mortimer (aged about 5) was married to Thomas Beauchamp (aged about 6) in 1319. - Joan of the Tower (aged 7) was married to the future David II of Scotland (aged 4) in 1328. more on this link en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_child_brides
Ha ha ha people we don't agree with should be censored. Typical snowflake. LOL Well children in your society engage in sex. Check out the teenage pregnancy in your society and see the number of under 18 years that get pregnant. Hypocrites.
Becaus that creepy disgusting religion from Arab says its okey to have sex with 9 years old child. Their prophet do so, married with Aisyah when she is 6 and consumated the marriage when Aisyah just 9 years old, Muhammad was 54 at that time 🤮🤮🤮
@@m.albayati5925 So…if you read the whole Psalm instead of cherry picking a single verse you’d see that this is a song about the children of Israel during their exile in Babylon. But you probably know that and are just feigning ignorance.
As a female I developed fairly early, having my first period at age 10. I was sexually pursued by a neighbour when I was 9 through to 11 (and thankfully protected before anything too serious transpired). Let me be clear; I was a CHILD, and not a WOMAN. Puberty is not just physical, its mental. Development is gradual. And though I am 28 now and happily married, I still bare the scars of those times. Pedophilia was, is, and always will be wrong. Mohammed was no exception.
I'm sorry to hear that. But a 9-11 year old boy with a 10 year old girl is not considered a pedophile. So that sounds like a childhood trauma to me. Blaming the Prophet Muhammad for your experience is a very unreasonable conclusion, especially to say that he was a pedophile. He is the *Perfect Example* for mankind. "Puberty is not only physical, it is also mental" => this is today's standard, not hundreds or thousands of years ago. No psychologist has said that in the past, people who married children aged 9-14 years were pedophiles.
@@taidewa I don't blame Mohammed for my experience. But neither do I exslove him of the same sin. My experience would have been very similar to Aisha's, I pity her. Anyone whom thinks marrying a 9 year is acceptable, is deeply misinformed.
@@LeoBraveheart1My empathy is with you, quite similar to my story. Got my period when I was 9. Now 29, I can’t imagine anyone thinking I was able to give consent to marriage or sex. It’s beyond terrifying to think about. This person won’t respond to you after your last response. Nothing he can say unless he’s advocating pedophilia as most Muslims do, along with incest. I know many, many Muslims and can vouch. Remember this my friend, their prophet was not only a pedophile but a very sinful man. Mohammad is an awful example to humanity- whereas Jesus was without sin and maintained pure throughout his life. He was and always will be perfect. Our prophet is perfect, theirs is full of sin. ♥️ peace my friend
Hope you have the same standard!! The Holy Bible -Psalm 137:9 9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks. -Leviticus 21:9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profanes herself by whoring, profanes her father; she shall be burned with fire. -Your god Luke 11:27 27 As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!” - How can god (Jesus) make his mother pregnant (a 12-year-old girl)?
I can’t even understand how he reads scripture to think that a woman carrying water and gives it to camels is 3 years old. But this dude doesn’t understand the difference between a child at 10 and an adult of 25, so he probably think a 3 year old girl can do this work.
Ahitophel, the grandfather of bathsheba died at the age of 33 years old. This is according to jewish and christian interpretation. The most logical thing one can deduce is that bathsheba was below 10 years old at the very least
How in the world is this even a topic for debate? Props to Michael Jones for destroying this disgusting individual, it's horrible that Islam permits this.
Sharia rulings on Obstetric fistula If a husband rips open his INFANT wife, he may not divorce her but may take another in her place If a man rips open his INFANT slave girl, he may not sell her. If a man suspects his INFANT wife of adultery, he will be fined as she is considered TOO SMALL to crawl away or give consent
I just came from watching comments about this debate in Daniel Haqiqatjou's channel. I can only say that I am very concerned for the well-being of many muslim girls...
@@InspiringPhilosophy Mr. Jones, I kindly suggest you take a break from this particular issue. I can clearly see it is filling you with rage. Maybe you are drinking more. I understand your rage. It's totally justifiable, but please don't think about this debate too much. It will only sour your mood. I live in a M majority nation and our countryside is plagued by this social problem called child marriage. It used to be worse but through government and non-gov intervention it has improved and continues to get better. Hope you find comfort in the fact that the general global trend is positive for young girls. Peace ☺
@@alexmora8841 I did not say he is drunk. I said I sympathize with his anger because he just recently debated a guy arguing in favor of child marriage. But I requested he take some break thinking about this issue because how emotionally distressing it is. I mentioned drinks because Mr. Jones was drinking in a live hangout a day after the debate, obviously to calm himself. He clearly looked pissed. You totally misrepresented my well meaning comment towards Mr. Jones. Please think more before you criticize anyone.
I was considering converting to Islam a few years ago when I was trying to find the true faith. Finding out the life of their prophet and what was and wasn't acceptable under Sharia was what convinced me that Islam was not the true faith and that Christianity was.
@Damien R. Its merely a potemkin village and only exists because Islam is maintained by force that "strong family" will be the first to kill you for apostasy. You are also clearly focused on global domination as opposed to redemption of the soul.
@Hope you have the same standard! The Holy Bible -Psalm 137:9 9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks. -Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. 18 But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves. -Leviticus 21:9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profanes herself by whoring, profanes her father; she shall be burned with fire. -Your god Luke 11:27 27 As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!” - How can god (Jesus) make his mother pregnant (a 12-year-old girl)? *Note: Jesus is god, so he is the god of the old testament.
I’m very happy for you! Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and I pray that Muslims continue to open themselves up to Christ’s perfect sacrifice❤️
Lmfao , Christianity the true faith believing in trinity and a blessed prophet human being become lamb of god and cursed , dude seriously u lack of knowledge ,this is the best joke ever. I don’t know why people who worship a man who said worship god and himself were worshipping God, still focusing too much on the man life. Meanwhile, Jesus, Prophet, Muhammad and Moses are just mediators between men and God just to bring the message and preach the oneness of god but since you are in this low-level, may God help your brother
I know I’m getting into this late, but I noticed something very telling and concerning. Mike always refers to women and girls as human beings that deserve love, respect, and protection. Daniel always refers to them as property that needs to be “secured” asap to give the man children. In Islam women and children are just tools to help the man achieve his personal goals, but in Christianity they’re some of the most highly regarded people in a society. That alone says everything you need to know about who’s right in this debate.
“Getting married as a teen is better than masturbation” … So the main reason for getting married is to fulfill sexual desires? 😂
Preachers like Daniel cannot think much beyond sex. It's because their worldview is influenced by a 7th century sexaholic.
@@oishikhasan8500 facts is it okay to say I really and I mean really hate muhummus
@@brotherinfaith3032 We don’t even know who the historical Muhammad actually was, or if he was one specific person, mate.
The hadiths are obviously created by ignorant nomads which have built the mythical Muhammad we know today.
@@brotherinfaith3032 It is one of the most okay things you can say ever. Don't let 1.6 billion fools make you think otherwise.
@@oishikhasan8500 It’s just a pity that for the vast majority of Islamic history, Muslims had no idea who even the mythical Muhammad was.
Thanks to the Internet and the Sunnah being openly available to most, in many different languages, Muslims are really having their beliefs about him challenged.
Mullahs and Imams can’t control the flow of information and can’t drip-feed believers any longer.
Everybody who wants to know about Islam needs to see this debate.
I thought the "Predator" logo on his laptop was a dead giveaway, lol.
The fact that we live in the 21st century and we still here people defending child marriage 🤡🙄
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This is sick.
Just because child/minor marriages happened during the biblical and Islamic era doesn’t mean it was morally right. Along with the fact that Daniel is defending it scares me!
The thing is that, the quran explicitly says that mohammed is the greatest moral example that all humans should emulate and because this greatest example slept with a 9 year old girl, they HAVE to defend him or else they're going against their teachings. You'll also see debates with muslims on topics like slavery, sex trafficking, jihad, etc because these are all things that mohammed did therefore his followers MUST defend him. eg, Nadir says slavery is good because the slaves are sent to school and are educated therefore it should be brought back. Mohammed hijab says captive women WANT to be raped by their "strong muslim masters". Ali dawah says that people who leave the Islamic religion should be killed and he's proud of that law. Ali dawah also says that if HIS OWN DAUGHTER reached the age of 9 and begins puberty, he would tell her that she's ready for marriage.
The lengths these people would go to defend that 7th century illiterate caravan robberis alarming
Men and Women should get married when they have sexual desire. The church has held to this. You should not tell people in their sexual hormonal peak to simply "not have sex" but should promote marriage. The age held by the church has ranged from 14-18, being consensual of course.
“Morally right” 😂 judging your ancestors who got you here by todays standards 🤦🏽
The Talmud seems to say it wasn't really allowed even back then.
[Yehudah ben Teima] used to say: Five years [is the age] for [the study of] Scripture, Ten [is the age] for [the study of] Mishnah, Thirteen [is the age] for [observing] commandments, Fifteen [is the age] for [the study of] Talmud, Eighteen [is the age] for the [wedding] canopy, Twenty [is the age] for pursuing [a livelyhood]... (Mishneh Avot 5:21)
People need to remember in the OT married women were not really responsible for farming per se and working in the fields along with the men. THey were expected to RUN THE BUSINESS of farming. They had to be intelligent and wise to trade the goods their husbands farm produced. Proverbs 31 traits are more likely to be found in a woman over 18 than a girl under 18.
So while child marriage did happen the norm was still to marry later in life. Furthermore Muhammad also practiced polygamy. As did OT figures yes though generally anytime they did brought a lot of trouble to their families and you can see based on the consequences and God's standards that it was sinful. I would like to see Daniel defend polygamy especially Muhammads personal polygamy where he was allowed more wives than anyone else. The others could have 4 but he had 12 and how did he know it was okay to have 12 well God just decided to send him a vision that it was okay for him but no one else......it couldn't be that he made it up to fulfill his own desires or anything.....
@@davidryan8547If you look at Muhammad pbuh wives most were middle aged widows.
His first wife was 40 years old when he was 25.
The only women he married who was young was aisha (RA).
In my opinion as a muslim we are told his life is a guide, so it tells us about all possibilities in the realm of marriage.
The Muslim sounds like he is presenting a paper he wrote to his 6th grade class.
@Soldier how about you read the whole chapter? It is very clear this is referring to adults. Paul wrote Corinthians. And in his letters to the churches, especially corinthians, he is always very specific and addresses various issues he had to correct the churches on. If there was an issue or problem raised by the church about child marriage, Paul would’ve been specific and written something along the lines of “Regarding child marriage….” This is the style he writes in. So clearly the verse you quoted isn’t about children, and like I already said if you read the whole letter you can clearly see he’s talking to adults, the letter literally starts with a few principles Paul lays down for marriage and constantly mentions MAN and WOMAN, fully grown adults, not freaking children. What a pathetic attempt to defend child marriage ☠️
His argument is basically "West bad, therefore child marriage good" lol
How do you show your trolling self hate, hate for Jesus,and hate for your country? Become a Muslim
the fact that his laptop says predator is so hilarious
😂
It's the Asus predator laptop I cannot afford those they are above my what I can afford those laptops start at 2 to $3,000
@@scrappychildhood6633 is it Acer? Asus got ROG..
And what is wrong with that?
@@yusifhuseini he just said that it's funny 🤣
Nothing's wrong with having fun 😊
Comparing an innocent, vulnerable 8-year-old child to a grown 40-year-old adult is absolutely outrageous and unconscionable! Aisha, at such a young age, was not even given the opportunity to make her own choices or understand the horrific situation she was being forced into. It is absolutely sickening and infuriating that she was being sold off to a ruthless warlord, completely disregarding her
1. *_Mary's age._*
Mary (رضي الله عنها) was 12-14 and Joseph was 90 when they get married.
( Catholic encyclopedia>St. Joseph>Marriage )
According to ancient Jewish custom, Mary could have been betrothed at about 12.
( Dale C. Allison, Matthew: A Shorter Commentary, p.12 )
2. *_Rebecca's age._*
Another tradition gives her age as three years and three days when she left her father’s house (Tractate Soferim, Hosafah [addition] 1, 1:4)
Rebecca was 10 and Isaac (عَلَيْهِ ٱلسَّلَامُ) was 40 when they get married.
( Jashar 24:40 )
3. *_Age of Consent in European Prior to the 20th century_*
Professor of History Margaret Wade Labarge
• “It needs to be remembered that many Medieval widows were not old, Important heiresses were often married between the ages of *5 and 10* and might find themselves widowed while still in their teens.”
( A Medieval Miscellany, page 52 )
Professor Richard Wortley and Professor Stephen Smallbone
• “In Medieval and early modern European societies, the age of marriage remained low, with documented cases of brides *AS YOUNG AS SEVEN YEARS* , although marriages were typically not consummated until the girl reached puberty.
(Bullough 2004)
4. *_Christian Kings_*
• Isabella of Valois (aged 6) was married to Richard II of England (aged 29) in October 1396, a little over a week before her seventh birthday.
• Cecile of France (aged 8/9) was married to Tancred, Prince of Galilee (aged 30/31), in late 1106.
• Catherine of Valois-Courtenay (aged 10) was married to Philip I, Prince of Taranto (aged 34), in July 1313.
@@efootballmania the koran came out 600 years, SIX HUNDRED YEARS after the bible bro, your entire book is a copy cat of numerous books of gods and the one True Gods book the bible. Your book says Jesus was devout Muslim LOOOOOL A DEVOUT MUSLIM Jesus was born from a Jewish mother, in a Jewish household, in a Jewish city, in a Jewish state, in a Jewish country 😂😂😂😂 but Jesus is a Muslim? Buddy your book of fables is lying to you across the board.
Exactly, a child forced into marriage isn't consenting to fornication or having children with the full knowledge of the risks or, even if they are aware, they are being forced into it anyway. A grown woman _can_ understand the risks and make the decision to attempt to get pregnant or to use contraceptives or abstain. The comparison was _wild_ !
@@efootballmania
Nice taqi-yya. The Catholic encyclopedia doesn’t say Mary was 12-14 when she was married. We got your taqi-yya busted last time. You are still repeating your script which shows abduls are not sincere.
The Jewishencyclopedia says Rebecca was 20 at the time of marriage from Bible manuscripts.
*According to the Book of Jubilees (xxxi. 8-11, 48), Jacob, when he arrived home, found his mother alive; She died at the age of 155, five years before Isaac's death (Jubilees, xxxv. 1, 41), this determining that her age when she married was twenty years.*
Abduls cannot survive without taqi-yya
Yes she was this is a another use of the prestism fallcy u cant prove these claim
This Daniel guy is legit a weirdo. Props to you for putting him in his place
That Laptop.. is God’s providence at work.
"AIIah's" lmao
Allah doesn’t imminently work through his creation so that wouldn’t be possible
@@Jaryism Some Bible verses seem to support God acts through those who believe in Him.
Jesus (God) did not condemn child marriage, is he a predator?
@@Jaryism I said God, not god. Yahweh, is God, Allah, is not. While I love the Muslim people, commend their commitment to the truth, their love for scripture, and desire to praise and worship the Creator of the Universe, we disagree on Who This Is. Because Gods nature is unchanging and therefore there can only be one true understanding of Who God is. My God, works imminently through His creation, because He sees His creation as Good, a reflection of His Glory, apart from its corruption by sin. Your god is a powerful bystander who commands the players on the field to make certain plays, and at times will actually alter space time to change the distance between the ball and the goal to make his team score. But no, Allah does not order events throughout history to His liking… that would be fatalism, something islam doesn’t like.
Yo why is this guy trying to justify pedophilia
The leftists in America would likely agree with him.
Coz his prophet was a pedo🙄
Bro likes them young
@@stafh8931 bro fr he is a weirdo
he's Muslim
Dude unironically said theres ""NO INHERENT HARM BETWEEN ADULT MINOR RELATIONSHIPS.""
It depends what's happened I don't know how this happened he's great and corruption I got into a debate with a human trafficking expert and he said I have in my personal experience undercover have been to auction houses and where they house girls and women and they're treated no better than commercial farming. I bet it argument that there might still be human traffickers that still do it to traditional way of protecting the girls even after their headed off so what happened if a man bought a female or got her through it arrangement and he did anything wrong towards her physically he would be brutally killed or subtites publicly castrated the expert at Hewitt traffic he told me that has become the minority and his 40 years he entered the military 18 began do I go to cover work at 28th that's all he told me and he said my 40 years of working I have it matters to see what you're talking about not saying it doesn't exist and if it did exist I believe based on what I've seen in my experience they're going to keep it hidden because that industry even though it's diabolic is very competitive and there's no law there's no courts in the underworld they deal with potential threats and rivals through acts of violence. And he said it wouldn't be quite enforceable today because of greed and bribery he made it already be like let's say if you did manage to take over what of these facilities and managed to hire fine mercenaries to protect the girls and with it even after they are married off or it's relationship what if the man is aware of the contract yet he has boatloads of Buddy of talking billions if not billions of dollars.
And he said what is going to stop that individual from saying yes to let's say five even a hundred million dollars yes if he's at that bad is a multi-billionaire like Bill Gates Elon musk etc 100 million is going to hurt but they will recover that's like getting a paper cut from telling the squad that's supposed to protect her to take the money and walk away at any point of the argument I'd be like what's your day I said I go by Mr Walker he says okay let's say you're this hypothetical person.
And you you're running what would be illegal in the western society but most likely the United States judicial system would show you mediacy based on how you're treating caring for educating and providing protection for this unlawful business practice but what's to say that you won't finally turn to the dark side quoting Star wars if one of the kingpins decided to view you as a threat to rather than kill you they drop ped 4,000 pounds of physical gold at your doorstep it exchange you shut down your operation and transfer all the assets to that person you can't tell me that you would be deeply conflicted because you are broke am I correct yes okay you do know 4,000 lb of gold is worth billions of dollars yes you have all these dreams and admirations that you want to achieve but you're broke yes okay so the devil has dropped off what you want and the sacrifice is that you must make is a greater evil than what you're already in and I just said that's a very valid point and am I wrong that if you were to decline this gift that you would have a higher likelihood of being captured tortured and or killed as in this offered by the devil's not negotiable. I asked this speaker why did you for about the question this way because I don't think that's how all people in the other one economy work he laughed several dozen students laighed with him. A student that lives in Paramore just said I have recently redeemed drug dealer and I will tell you one thing Mr Walker is that criminals don't give an f about you or anyone else all they care about is money and cash flow and they don't care how they get it. So the fact that you think that there is any decency on the other world tells us that you're going to be killed or if you're so gullible and stupid they just might give you a little bit of money to walk away before you get yourself killed.
Plano I could say is a valid point and I just said would it be plausible and he said yes but are you willing to live in a desert do you have the logistics to work at night because there's no way in hell and my 40 years of being undercover the underworld that you're going to be able to do it in the city or suburb you got to remember Mr Walker that criminals have spies everywhere they have eyes and ears everywhere you think big brother is bad the grandmasters or the main people that we try to go after and arrest but we can't because they have insiders they have people looking out for the because they got stupid amounts of money to get allies or find allies to buy them more time.
This is one of the reasons why the department of defense and Justice enforcement we target the wallet if we could cripple their money we could catch them because now they're desperate they can't buy people off anymore they can't hire people to buy them more time and this is how we end up getting them this desperation causes them to be irrational illogical act very erratic and they make more mistakes than if they were called the collected they would never make the reason why they are panicking and flustered is because they know they are screwed whether it's the other world that will get them killed or tortured or the justice system either way that individual is screwed. And I said if that's the case they're just going to have you killed inside and he says no not necessarily we have an isolation department where each inmate is given a little box it's between 50 and 120 ft it does not have a shower you have to go to the shower hall. What you have is a toilet if you're lucky it has a cabinet to store your stuff in and a bed and if you're allowed books that's it the people I put away the bosses of what you're talking about they will spend the rest of their natural life at a 50 to 120 ft square box. So I'm going to conclude this argument that I do agree that you did an ideal World we could break something like that back virgin houses and virgin marriage houses where the women are protected but the world is too corrupt for us to do that the average jail with Jay does not have cup and said they don't have morals and since everyone's living paycheck to paycheck and they're all about themselves instead of community it just won't work.
I agreed with the dod official and I was disappointed and he said that I'm not dissing your belief in a virgin marriage but I am going to let you know that you are walking a very narrow tightrope as the older you get I was 22 at the time I'm now 27 and he's right he says the older you or it become it's you're going to become a whitelist suspect whitelist suspects are people the department of defense and Justice deep suspected or future suspects as if they have a turd yet we determined this by I analyzing your digital footprints this is why we tried to tell you kids back in the early 2000s whenever you type on the internet never goes away
More than that, he called it an institution that is desperately necessary
Predatory language.. that’s what child sexual abusers always state.
You can see how Islam at its core is perverse
@@Villicus Maybe on Epstein's Island.
Waitaminute!!!!
That’s what a pedophile would say!!!!!
IP was the PERFECT person to tackle this. It’s always so frustrating watching debates with Daniel because nobody seems to catch him out in real-time even when he is being obviously deceptive, but Michael did and it is SO satisfying. Good job.
True. It's the first time i am seen him debate. He does have his own unique skill set. He also looks and sounds like a nice guy. I think IP was excellent in this debate.
Do you people even understand why Daniel is debating this? It has nothing to do with pedophilia. Most Muslims believe the hadith with Aisha's age IS WRONG. Only the Quran are the true words of God. Daniel just doesn't want attacks on the hadith because that's how it starts... until Islam becomes like Christianity and we lose the direct message from God. God's words don't change for atheism, liberalism, feminism, etc. The Quran is the truth and Islam is the true religion
He is very fortune to not debating with Sam Shamon. Sam will roasted him like pig in BBQ.
Its unreal that they even had to debate this. Think about the number of calories that had to be burned to construct the arguments against something so blatantly evil, calories that could have been better spent on converting unbelievers and correcting bad theology.
I think what it showed was that IP has poor reading comprehension skills and an inability to track the arguments of his interlocutors.
I’m sorry, this is not a debate this is exposing a perversion.
@Soldier - soooo… you’re saying that child marriage is the answer for the burning sexual sensations of anyone who can’t control it.
@Soldier guess what! That verse isn’t referring to children. It’s a letter sent to church, meant for the grown ups of the church. Don’t take verses out of context.
@Soldier so child marriage is the solution? What a stupid conclusion bruh
@Soldier give it up man
@Soldier don’t be a degenerate man
The argument about women at the age over 35 having birth problems should be banned if child birth is banned. The difference is that a woman at the age 35 is a mature women who can give consent to getting pregnant. A 12 year old child cannot give consent to have sex.
Again says who ?
@TROY A 12 year old has a significantly lower maturity level than a 35 year old, even if they are going through puberty. They can't give consent because they don't know the full expanse of what she'd be agreeing to. She doesn't understand marital relations the same way a man twice her age would. It's just common sense
@@munchkin6345 I fully agree with you.
@Nitais Servant actually, Joan of Arc was 18. She didn't fight in battle. You are comparing apples to oranges. Run a fact check. A lot of myths going around of her. You sound like a child molester to try and justify child marriage. People in the past had slaves, should we bring that too? You wouldn't last in that time. All you want is access to little girls. Where is the fbi?
@Damien R. listen to what you’re saying. Should we let kids work, vote, drink alcohol, and everything adults are expected of?
I'm so not sure I can handle listening to this. Thank you for fighting for our children
while your children are banging without your awareness
Hop you have the same standard!!
The Holy Bible
-Psalm 137:9 9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.
-Leviticus 21:9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profanes herself by whoring, profanes her father; she shall be burned with fire.
-Your god Luke 11:27 27 As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!”
- How can god (Jesus) make his mother pregnant (a 12-year-old girl)?
@@m.albayati5925 you re just taking verses and writing lies, u just said jesus impregnated his mother when Mary gave birth to Jesus when She was a virgin, stop lying
@@m.albayati5925 -Psalm 137:9 is an observation made to a vicious bully
-Leviticus 21:9 is a didactic collection and there's zero record that it was used as an actual law
-Luke 11:27 is just a compliment to Jesus' Mom.
Bonus - no real evidence exists to prove that Mary was the same age as Ayisha when the Prophet Momo (PBUH) did statutory grape on her
For all the complaints Muslims make about their scripture being "taken out of context", it's ironic you do the same thing to others
But since you're admitting there actually is a standard here to follow, are you now against the Prophet Momo for his statutory grape and abuse?
Daniel's major point seems to be that "a girl has sexual desires and his solution is to marry". However, the problem is that when we ask him what happens when he felt hungry or has the desire to eat during Ramadan, is the solution to go and eat (seeing that their fasting period just ended)? No, the solution is not marriage, it's self control, a child (in fact anyone) that gets married because of sexual desires is as dangerous as saying we should satisfy every desire we have, even if it is evil.
It is a wrong comparison. Ramadan is a voluntary way to feel the hunger. A better comparison would be to compare the sexual desire that a minor could feel with the desire to eat. If one feels hunger, he eats to satisfy his desire. Same thing otherwise, if one feels the desire to have sex, he just marries, and if he can't, then he abstains.
@@yanisakaba3118 If a person is an alcoholic and feel the need for alcohol should they go have a beer?
@@yanisakaba3118 So if a child's hormones is raging, they should get married?? IP said control it, your guy said get married. So you're of the opinion that a child should get married just to have sex?? That's the most illogical thing to say.
@@josephhutchins8 No, alcohol is prohibited by God. In that case, alcoholics should abstain and pray God to give them the strength to overcome this addiction.
@@yanisakaba3118 so why should a minor not abstain from sex and pray to god to help overcome their desires?
I was not allowed to drive a car until I was 16 but I can get married at 10? Or younger?
Well that makes perfect sense.
there is no age requirement for possessions of the right hand
In the ancient golden cage called Islam, you can bet your private parts on it.
And in Saoudi Arabia eight year olds can drive cars. I know, it doesn’t surprise me either.
@@skellingtonmeteoryballoon or the left.
@@Theonecarpenter Do you honestly think an 8 year old can commit to a marriage? Or a10 year old?
I certainly do not think that a 9 year old can handle the responsibility of owning a gold fish let alone a marriage.
Do you?
I have never before felt physically ill while listening to a debate. Daniel isn’t allowed near children right?
Man. You crushed that opening statement. That was very powerful.
What a shock, the muslim only has straw men, ad hominem, and false dichotomies. I don't have time to list every single fallacy though.
The most notable was the negative inference fallacy Daniel is insinuating because the Bible never explicitly condemned child marriage.
@@martytu20 It's a poor argument made from silence. Plus, every time the Bible describes a marriage it is described as being between a man and a woman, never between a man and girl.
I'm an atheist, but I'm so so on your side here lol, good job IP
@Soldier quoting random bible verses doesnt really mean anything to me, and i dont think we are morally better now just because it's the 21st century, that has nothing to do with why i reckon the current moral situation today is better than in the past. Just broadly since its a lot to get into, but today is better because of trending towards more freedoms, access of information, increase in certain qualities of life such as health, medicine, longevity, etc.
@@armadyl1212 he's taking the verse out of its context as well.
@@chocolateneko9912 Oh really? Then tell us what is the full context?
@@dom30731 Cor 7:8 was literally talking about widows.
@@doubledirections7221
So only widows should marry if they cant control their burning desires and no one else?
"society abandons child marriage at their own peril"
Bruh. No shot he believes this. I agree we have a problem with promiscuity in modern society but freaking CHILD MARRIAGE is not the answer.
We have problems with promiscuity even between married couples. It’s basic human instinct and needs to be controlled. Daniel is basically saying that adultery is ok too.
Muslims can’t control their desires hence why their own prophet took 12 wives instead of the already generous 4.
Islam is a carnal political regime, not a religion and surely not spiritual.
Yes it is Muhammad did it 😂😂😂
He has to believe it his child predator prophet did it and he is the moral example for all of society
@@abrahammathew2116 I think this is a joke, but if not, holy crap.
Ancient Greek society and even England in the time of Shakespeare was very promiscuous despite the prevalence of child marriage and abuse against children... 🤔
The questions that the audience asked destroyed Daniel lol.
"Have you ever seen a 3yr old?" 😂😂
Hope you have the same standard!!
The Holy Bible
-Psalm 137:9 9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.
-Leviticus 21:9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profanes herself by whoring, profanes her father; she shall be burned with fire.
-Your god Luke 11:27 27 As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!”
- How can god (Jesus) make his mother pregnant (a 12-year-old girl)?
@@m.albayati5925 where in the Bible does it states Mary age when she got pregnant?
@@m.albayati5925 you know, there's this great book that I'd recommend called, "How Not to Read the Bible" by Dan Kimball
@@Yolk421 Notice he never responds
I am proud to be one among many prayers who prayed for you to expose this man, you might not see this comment but I still want you to know that you've been a great help to me in my path of leaving the cult to join the Kingdom. God bless you, brother!
May you be blessed by Jesus. 🙏
Amin
@@mugglesarecooltoo Amen, The Lord answered one of my prayers today too.
@@zey1136 Cool!
The fact that some people even consider child marriage is just sick... God bless you Michael
lol why then Christians were doing it 😂
@@Feed_your_soul_with_quran where have Christians condoned or done it? We all follow God’s original concept of Adam and Eve. A fully grown man and fully grown woman. You guys need everything spelled out for you.
@@Feed_your_soul_with_quran Christianity seems to get a pass when God's mother herself was a child bride. What hypocracy 😂
Give me a vers from the Bible where it says that Mary was 12. Pseudo Matthew is not in the Bible 😂
@@TReflection you didnt give me a single vers from the Bible so you are a clown. I dont just accept what priests say because some are heretical i only trust the Bible. Philippians 2:11
Daniel is helping Islam to be expose all the more
@@soldier7332 When did I said we are morally better?
There's nothing wrong with getting married. When someone is married he cannot look at any other woman except his wife.
But Muslims practice pedophilia. Pornography is a great sin, that's sexual immorality.
Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men
1 Corinthians 6:9
But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars-they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
Revelation 21:8
People who commit sexual immorality, watching p*** and being pedophiles cannot go to heaven.
Stop quoting bible out of context lol this literally has. I thing to do with porn Paul has written in the previous verse that those currently unmarried should not seek to be married "just because." Marriage, in and of itself, is not something believers must pursue or achieve. To be celibate and single as Paul was is a good thing. For one, it allows a Christian to devote more time and energy to serving Christ (1 Corinthians 7:32-34).
Paul adds a qualifier to this idea, as begun in verse 8. He refers to an unmarried person who "burns with passion." The context doesn't suggest someone who is oversexed or obsessed with sexuality. Rather, Paul means this in contrast to someone who has the gift of celibacy. A person who feels a strong desire for sexual activity ought to pursue marriage as would any other Christian. As a parallel application, those involved in romantic relationships or betrothals-engagement-should pursue marriage rather than engaging in sexual immorality because of a loss of self-control. This is something Paul will address more directly near the end of this chapter (1 Corinthians 7:36).
Paul does not mean a person ought to rush into marriage simply because they are frequently "in the mood." Paul has directly stated that married couples ought to "have" one another, because of their sexual urges. He did not indicate one should "seek" a spouse for that reason: specifically so one can have sex (1 Corinthians 7:2).
Those content in their singleness, without fighting a constant battle against their own sexual desire, should not seek to get married. Marriage itself is not, by default, better than being single. Neither is being unmarried better than being married.
Paul's main concern here has to do with correcting any wrong thinking about reasons to get married or to avoid marriage. Nobody should choose one over the other thinking it inherently more spiritual or more honoring to God. Those choosing to remain unmarried should make that choice based on the gifts God has given to them specifically. Those who choose marriage, or who are already married, however, should continue to honor their marriage commitments, as explained in the following verses.
I like how Daniel give genesis passages that say nothing that he claims
Good point
Hope you have the same standard!
The Holy Bible
-Psalm 137:9 9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.
-Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. 18 But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves.
-Leviticus 21:9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profanes herself by whoring, profanes her father; she shall be burned with fire.
-Your god Luke 11:27 27 As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!”
- How can god (Jesus) make his mother pregnant (a 12-year-old girl)?
*Note: Jesus is god, so he is the god of the old testament.
@@m.albayati5925 Who is speaking in those passages?
@@InspiringPhilosophy
***AGE OF ADULTHOOD IN THE BIBLE IS TWENTY **because God in the Bible called all those under the age of 20 as children*
Numbers 14:29-32
***In this wilderness your bodies will fall-every one of you twenty years old or more*** who was counted in the census and who has grumbled against me. Not one of you will enter the land I swore with uplifted hand to make your home, except Caleb son of Jephunneh and Joshua son of Nun. ***As for your children that you said would be taken as plunder, I will bring them in to enjoy the land you have rejected.*** But as for you, your bodies will fall in this wilderness.
@@InspiringPhilosophy
Rebecca was 20 at the time of her marriage. This is from the jewishencyclopedia:
*According to the Book of Jubilees (xxxi. 8-11, 48), Jacob, when he arrived home, found his mother alive; She died at the age of 155, five years before Isaac's death (Jubilees, xxxv. 1, 41), this determining that her age when she married was twenty years.*
The Book of Jubilees is found in the manuscripts of the Dead Sea scrolls and is part of the canonical Bible of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church.
This debate made me literally sick to my stomach. This push to normalize pedophilia is pure evil! This debate really made me look at Islam in a totally different way now. Sickening!
I worry about the welfare of that man’s children. Does he think it’s acceptable for other men to look at his kids in a sexual nature?
Inspiring philosphy rocks!!!! "GOD"BLESS you my brother in "LORD JESUS CHRIST"❤
Ha ha ha. LOL
Why is God and The Lord Jesus Christ in quotes?
@@yusifhuseini AlhamduJesus!
Jesus is GOD!
@@yusifhuseini I know your faith is being questioned reading these comments. If not you need to be arrested
@Dev 😆🤣😂 no question here. It is written in our books. It is historical. Maybe you are ignorant about it.
Yeah, I should be arrested because I have an opposing view. Typical colonial imperialist mentality. You would have shot me dead some 200 years ago. Now you can't anymore 😂🤣😆.
Well, someone from a degenerates society can't teach me anything about morals. Fix your backyard with children having sex, child phonography, teenage pregnancy, etc. Your society is a failed one.
Daniel claims abstinence is not a good solution yet later repeatedly championed that Islam promotes chastity.
It’s not a good solution in the west because there are no chastity laws.
Hope you have the same standard!
The Holy Bible
-Psalm 137:9 9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.
-Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. 18 But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves.
-Leviticus 21:9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profanes herself by whoring, profanes her father; she shall be burned with fire.
-Your god Luke 11:27 27 As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!”
- How can god (Jesus) make his mother pregnant (a 12-year-old girl)?
*Note: Jesus is god, so he is the god of the old testament.
@@m.albayati5925
islame what a beautiful religion 🕋💕💋🥰😍Bukhari 5133: “the Prophet (🐷) married her [Aisha] 👶when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old
Good point
the fact that SOMEONE argues in favour of child marriage says a lot about how deranged they are from good morals.
Exactly. But someone who argues in favour of Child sexual immorality should be celebrated
No solution for bodies counts, LGBT and pornography lol.
@@shahzebahmedkhan2313 true
@@shahzebahmedkhan2313 who is arguing in favour of sexual immorality??
@@ZarasthuraGyattt wow! so marrying kid is the solution, islam is really the devils course
Anyone defending child marriage needs to be in prison.
My kid is NOT getting married, an the people who allow this is not thinking correctly. A child needs to have a childhood, not married!
Yes, you can do that. Also, children, need a Bible not change every time your pastor wants to do so
It is not enough for heretics to lie to Jesus, now they insult Musa and make adultery legitimate.
"O believers! Stand up for God, as Jesus, son of Mary, asked the disciples, “Who will stand up with me for God?” The disciples replied, “We will stand up for God.” Then a group from the Children of Israel believed while another disbelieved. We then supported the believers against their enemies, so they prevailed.
The idea that the "Bible changes every your pastors want" is a misrepresentation of bible translations by Muslims
Translations of bible are done by studying the original languages and attempting to find to best equivalent in our language
It's sad that this is even a question for some people
@AustinApologetics It's common among the Muslim brand of Yahweh worship. Christianity does also to a lesser extent.
@@LASLAY13 Christian does it in lesser? Are you drunk or high? Stupid babbling. Nowhere in the Bible did God allow Child Marriage. Evil Men does it and God knows it full well that it was because of sin that this lunacy happens.
@@LASLAY13 be quiet
@@LASLAY13 yep 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮RAPING YOUNG GIRLS IN THE BIBLE ✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️
Exodus 21:7
When a man sells his young daughter as a sex slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. 8. If she does not satisfy her owner, he must allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her.
RAPE IN THE BIBLE
2 Samuel 13:14
Brother(Amnon) Rapes his Sister(Tamar)
14.But he would not listen to her, and being stronger th
an she, he violated her and lay with her.
Judges 21:21
Wait there for the young women of Shiloh to come out and perform their dances. Then rush out and grab one of the young women, then take her home as your wife.
Numbers 31:17-18
So kill all the boys and all the women who have had intercourse with a man.
18. only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.
Deuteronomy 20:14
But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the plunder from your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.
Yep very sad RAPING YOUNG GIRLS IN THE BIBLE ✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️
Exodus 21:7
When a man sells his young daughter as a sex slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. 8. If she does not satisfy her owner, he must allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her.
RAPE IN THE BIBLE
2 Samuel 13:14
Brother(Amnon) Rapes his Sister(Tamar)
14.But he would not listen to her, and being stronger th
an she, he violated her and lay with her.
Judges 21:21
Wait there for the young women of Shiloh to come out and perform their dances. Then rush out and grab one of the young women, then take her home as your wife.
Numbers 31:17-18
So kill all the boys and all the women who have had intercourse with a man.
18. only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.
Deuteronomy 20:14
But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the plunder from your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.
When DH says some girls COMPLETE puberty at age 8 or 9, the debate is over. Allah lost.
Predator, huh? Please refrain from the urge to so blatantly self-accuse yourself.
😂
Daniel can’t tell the difference between a 12 year old girl and a 40 year old woman… this guy needs help.
Maybe Daniel should have chosen a different laptop brand for this debate 😂
Hope you have the same standard!
The Holy Bible
-Psalm 137:9 9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.
-Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. 18 But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves.
-Leviticus 21:9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profanes herself by whoring, profanes her father; she shall be burned with fire.
-Your god Luke 11:27 27 As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!”
- How can god (Jesus) make his mother pregnant (a 12-year-old girl)?
@@m.albayati5925 where was mary 12? Give me clear verse
I cannot believe this has become a topic that needs to be discussed...
🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️
AGE OF RAPE
AGE OF MARRIAGE IN 🇺🇸 USA
19th and 20th centuries
In Delaware, the age of consent was 10 years old until 1871 when it was lowered to 7 years old. Under the 1871 law, a man was given the death penalty for sex with a girl below the age of consent.[22]
In 1880, 37 states had an age of consent of 10 years, 10 stat
es had an age of consent at 12 years, and Delaware had an age of consent of 7 years.
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I know right!
Well deal with the argument Mr. virtue signal
@@yusifhuseini IP did. He destroyed Daniel.
Child marriage is evil.
@@luthlexor123 Ha ha ha yeah evil because I say so. Nothing new here.
Children in your society engage in sex, society encourage them to change their gender and get castrated. LOL ha ha ha.
Well we don't take moral values from people with no objective standards. People in filth. LOL
Daniel is just Built Different, Michael....is just Built Better.
Thank you for ending this Mike, this was beautifully handled. Like you said, we convince one heart at a time, my faith in Christ has grown because of this debate. God bless you and your mission.
@Soldier 1 Corinthians 7:8 completely eradicates this claim. Literally LOOK AT THE VERSE BEFORE IT!
"[8] But I say to the unmarried and to the widows: It is good for them if they remain even as I am; [9] but if they cannot exercise self-control, let them marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion." It's literally just saying that widows should marry someone rather than being deprived of sexual activity, especially when such deprivation can cause sexual immorality.
@Soldier Can you read that full verse and tell me what it's actually talking about?
@@TheSpacePlaceYT Thank you dude. I don't know why Muslims pull of stunts like this.
A groomer vs a normal guy? How is this even a debate
Jesus did condemn this. He said that marriage is when a woman is given to a man. Not a child being given to a man. He condemned all sexual activity out of this set of marriage.
True
Damn you really predicted Daniel bringing up whataboutism
Hope you have the same standard!
The Holy Bible
-Psalm 137:9 9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.
-Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. 18 But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves.
-Leviticus 21:9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profanes herself by whoring, profanes her father; she shall be burned with fire.
-Your god Luke 11:27 27 As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!”
- How can god (Jesus) make his mother pregnant (a 12-year-old girl)?
*Note: Jesus is god, so he is the god of the old testament.
@@m.albayati5925 im not good with the Bible because I'm not a Christian. Hopefully a Christian will answer your questions. The last part is about the trinity which is easy lol. Father that is god the holy spirit is the spirit of God and the son is Jesus with basically God in human form is Jesus. Again I'm not an expert in Christianity ask a priest or something.
Edit: But again this debate was about wheather child marriage should be allowed or not and the famous muslim convert Daniel Pikachu is advocating for it.
every time he said the bible doesn't condemn it i was so annoyed, the ezekiel 16 example actually proves that God Himself does not consider a girl/woman to be of the "age to love" until her breasts are fully formed, a quick google search will show that the average age this occurs is 18
also rebekah was not 3. just because the bible narrates these events in a certain order doesn't mean they occurred in that order, and reading rebekah's story it is clear she's older than 3.
A close reading will show that the bible does not narrate when Rebecca was born, only that Abraham was informed that she and a variety of others had been born.
Robbing them off their youth
Define youth before the adventure of vaccines antibiotics and the destabilized we did it a piece. For almost 100 years the United States has been at peace since 1875 give or take that was the beginning of the end of the outlaw era in the beginning of the incarceration era of these privatized prisons Andy slowly eroding of hating people firing squad etc you still have Jade gauge which were developed later. Just researching history so and this peace period will be coming to an end soon because it's very rare for peace to go past 200 years for some reason we humans as a species can't stop killing each other on a large scale for at least a thousand years.
The longest piece. Was during the pax roman. Which actually coincides with Jesus Christ ironically this was 23 BC all the way up to $239 ad at the end of this period the robot empire officially collapsed by 600 AD of the Catholic church was able to see 100% control if this would work the official beginning of the Middle ages around 600 to 700 AD.
Dear FBI, pls don't arrest me!
By the way, I find it funny how Daniel compares a 20 year old sleeping with a 17 year old to a 54 year old man with a 9 year old girl.
And if child marriage was such a good way to prevent other problems, does that mean everybody should give their children away as soon as they reach puberty or even before that? That all 10 year olds should marry?
And even if we had to let children marry, why should a 9 year old marry a 54 year old and not someone of the same age? It would be stupid, but it wouldn't be as disgusting. The parents of them could support both of them, so there's no reason the man would have to be old enough to be her grandfather.
Daniel, if you asked an average, honest muslim father to marry and do the other thing with his 9 year old daughter, he would stone you to death right then and there.
Daniel Haqiqatjou sounds like an incredibly dangerous man in this debate. I wouldn’t let my children within a hundred miles of this guy. And what’s even more frightening, is the way that his comments section is praising him on his upload of this same video. There is an entire population of people who feel this way.
Michael I can feel the fury in your words. Keep up that righteous anger
I can’t even watch the whole thing.. have to do it slowly., it’s mind blowing what Daniel actually believes
@@hereweare9096 daniel just talking and trying to justify it makes me agent orange act up
@@SovereignJarodKwan Well I would encourage you not to go to his channel.. they are literally celebrating his “win” and his defence of the Prophet.. it’s actually making me quite ill reading the comments.
Islam really is based at its core on perversion. So many people defending child sexual activity under the guise of “marriage”” so predatory
@@hereweare9096 i've seen enough of daniel talking to know he will be dragged to the underworld kicking and screaming. I dont need to see anymore of his talks because all it will do is awaken a homicidal aspect of myself in which I must keep under control until I am unleashed by Jesus.
And Yes, Islam is a disturbing religion and nothing but debauchery and other exceedingly negative lifestyles. i'm a live and let live type but it's one of the few religions that must be eradicated off the face of the planet.
@@hereweare9096 I truly cannot fathom how people would celebrate such a thing. It’s crazy how delusional some have to be.
Why don't Islamic institutions fund studies in Muslim countries which show how beneficial child marriage is?!
because then they would lose the ability to say its all western imperialism lmao
You handled this really well and my God your jokes were also on point. David Wood would be proud
Daniel must have realized the irony of having "Predator" on his laptop during this debate, right?
Now he does
@Hope you have the same standard!
The Holy Bible
-Psalm 137:9 9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.
-Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. 18 But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves.
-Leviticus 21:9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profanes herself by whoring, profanes her father; she shall be burned with fire.
-Your god Luke 11:27 27 As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!”
- How can god (Jesus) make his mother pregnant (a 12-year-old girl)?
*Note: Jesus is god, so he is the god of the old testament.
A 3 year old Rebecca drew water from the well and watered 10 camels 😂😂. Every parents would agree that a 3 year old could do all that 😂😂
Edit: Child marriage is still going on in Sub Saharan Africa and it's in Islam. Why? Because they encourage it. Child marriage happens in northern Nigeria.
This is the best I have ever heared!!!
Rebecca was 20 at the time of her marriage. This is from the jewishencyclopedia:
*According to the Book of Jubilees (xxxi. 8-11, 48), Jacob, when he arrived home, found his mother alive; She died at the age of 155, five years before Isaac's death (Jubilees, xxxv. 1, 41), this determining that her age when she married was twenty years.*
The Book of Jubilees is found in the manuscripts of the Dead Sea scrolls and is part of the canonical Bible of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church.
***AGE OF ADULTHOOD IN THE BIBLE IS TWENTY **because God in the Bible called all those under the age of 20 as children*
Numbers 14:29-32
***In this wilderness your bodies will fall-every one of you twenty years old or more*** who was counted in the census and who has grumbled against me. Not one of you will enter the land I swore with uplifted hand to make your home, except Caleb son of Jephunneh and Joshua son of Nun. ***As for your children that you said would be taken as plunder, I will bring them in to enjoy the land you have rejected.*** But as for you, your bodies will fall in this wilderness.
@@jxcess3891right man had to be 20 to be sent to war
Doesn't matter what any book of religion says, I support marriage between two consenting adults who are physically and mentally mature.
I'm a practising Christian, btw
The Bible shows that in Eden.. Adam and a fully formed woman in Eve were brought together.. ADULTS! Not children.
@Nitais Servant depends!
So age of physical maturity for girls: 15-16
Boys: 16-18
Mental maturity: varies from person to person
I'm 21, but I'm not remotely mature enough to start something like a marriage.
Actress Mille Bobby Brown engaged with Von Jovi's son and they are 19 and 20 respectively. Maybe they are mature enough
@Nitais Servant it's true that the age of 18 is a Western concept.
But I believe that most women nowadays aren't ready for marriage even after the age of 21. 18 is the age by which most people complete school, so it's a good estimate
@Nitais Servant yep, it's random. But mental maturity is important. But we do need a number to prevent child marriages. In India, the number is 21 (to prevent ... mostly Muslims and some uneducated Hindus, too)
I guess you know our population issue.
Yes, nowadays people become mature at a later age. Teenage is a fairly recent thing. Teenagers in the Middle Ages had a complete different style of life
CHILDREN ARE GONNA WORK FOR YOU??!!! is he talking about exploitation of child labor? How come noone called cops on this guy?! Gosh....
Welcome to True Islam...
Fucks sake child marriage is legal in the US. It isn't the end all be all of Islam. We can have progressive Islam as well. We don't have to live by the standards of primitive desert people.
Just out of curiosity, has this daniel fella ever been investigated by the authorities in relation to his beliefs on child, adult relationships?
How did Mike not leap across the stage and tear Daniels' head off?
I would have done that i swear
Chris Hanse was waiting outside
Did he just say that Isaac was 40 and Rebecca 3??? He has clearly never read the Torah
Question does the Torah tell her age? And how old she was when she died? I'm curious
You can literally sense how messed up Aysha (Muhammad's 9yo wife) became from the literature she said (her hadiths) after she has grown. She was seriously messed up in the head that she was actually one of the reasons Muslims divided into Shias and Sunnis. She was super controversial in everything she does. Poor woman.
See how the pervert Daniel is trying to rationalize that Rebecca was 3 years old even after it being completely refuted. Islam truly shuts down truth seeking
Dude Michael kills it every time. He's gonna be one of those Like William Lane Craig where atheist are terrified to debate him.
I'd be willing to debate him on this subject. Can you set it up? I'm an atheist and my arguments that the bible promotes sex within adult child marriage are more forceful than anything Dan offered.
@@gregbooker3535buddy, Michael's whole argument is that Christianity doesn't promote child marriage and that child marriage is immoral
@@metroplier8392 It is my position that the bible contains certain passages that are reasonably interpreted as indicating that god approves of sex within adult-child marriages. Those arguments are not going to lose force by merely observing that the vast majority of Christians in the last 2000 years have thought God approved only of sex within adult-adult marriages.
@@gregbooker3535What passages?
@@Cuhpri Numbers 31:18.
As a Sub-saharan African - Nigerian precisely, child marriage is practiced in the Northern part of Nigeria which is predominantly MUSLIM. So, I fail to understand what @MuslimSkeptic means by saying, since Sub-saharan Africa is largely Christian, child marriage becomes somewhat of a Christian problem.
Lol exactly!! Nigeria literally has 2 ages of consent in order to accommodate Islam child marriage and their culture. Lets not forget that some Muslims even intermarry within their families (I.e marrying their cousins).
@@rae7782 Exactly.
Are you a Nigerian also?
I don’t know how many 10 year olds he knows, but I did not know any sexually active 10 year olds
Right? He keeps bringing up 10 year olds having relations as if that were a common problem! I just think that statistically that's *extremely* rare.
Even if he focused on teenagers instead of 10 year olds, sexual relations are nowhere near as common among underaged teenagers as tv shows & movies would have you believe.
And then he had the gall to imply that a marriage between a 10 year and a 25 year old was more permissible than two underaged people sleeping together?
@@misseli1 dude really wants to marry a 10 year old
I can't believe people actually support child marriage, what a world?
Your feelings are irrelevant
@@Homophobic_racist_sexist_pdf I don't care about feelings of psychopaths that support these stuff. Are you supporting them? If yes, you are a psychopath
@@neerajantony9097 psychopaths are born the way they are so how can you judge them based on something they can't control
@@Homophobic_racist_sexist_pdf Psychopaths according to science don't care about other's feelings. I just called these people not literally event though some maybe. It is like a substitute for hearless people. Here people are even supporting heartless sins, so i just called them, why?
@youkosl I hoped to meet people with common sense because if I was an infant then how the hell could I use a computer???
This is disgusting.
Pray for Daniel Haqiqatjou's repentance and conversion.
I am nothing short of vehemently disgusted by Daniel's argument. It is so much worse than I could have imagined.
It is hard to believe someone would go, unmasked, and defend his point.
IP's facial expressions during Daniel's opening statements are killing me 😂😂
One of the first times I agreed with the Christian in the debate and thought he won
You should look into his channel. He has a lot of good takes.
I’ve never seen Michael get so frustrated. I’m glad he pushed Daniel as hard as he did
Micheal is undeniably the winner of this debate
Even 20 year olds are still seen as children in Nigeria, I don't know about any other part of Africa 🙄
Daniel: children 10-12 years are seen as adult in Africa... Trust me bro
Does anyone feel their brain just dying as dh is talking?
I had to turn him off… I was literally feeling sick from what he was saying.
It is one of those debates to take in portions, not because it is boring, but because it makes one sickened
I almost vomited!!!
17:01 He on one hand says that sexually frustrated kids need to have sex with men and on the other hand says that teaching sex education is terrible. Wait so teaching kids about sex is terrible but actually having sex with them isn’t? Did he just say that?
Yeah, that is his position.
To stop 10 year olds messing around with each other in sex games/experiments, which daniel defines a western debauchery, daniels solution is to marry those kids to adult who can then have s-x with them.
What a monster. Wow.
"You can do it, just not talk about it" - Daniel, probably
The predator logo on his laptop is hysterically priceless
😂😂😂😂 true its so ironic
@@ReformedR prophetic?
Hope you have the same standard!!
The Holy Bible
-Psalm 137:9 9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.
-Leviticus 21:9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profanes herself by whoring, profanes her father; she shall be burned with fire.
-Your god Luke 11:27 27 As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!”
- How can god (Jesus) make his mother pregnant (a 12-year-old girl)?
@@m.albayati5925 you have obviously spammed the entire comment section with this , what point do you want to drive home?
You pick excerpts and phrases that does not even correlate with the topic at hand not to even depict any true sense
For instance :
Psalm 137 is all about a song of cry from captives and verse 8-9 is their prayers of revenge against their captors
Leviticus was written at a time of great violence and gore, there were wars and killings all over the land at the time
And that Luke... How does that depict Jesus impregnated his mother?
And let's be real the age of marriage according to the Roman law at that time was 13-16 due to mortality and morbidity rate and now due to improvement in medicine, that has changed people live longer immunes life so now, nobody in their RIGHT mind will argue that such should still be the case and child marriage should still be a thing. Please stop spreading misinformation
@@m.albayati5925 Without lies, Islam dies
That moment when Jesus actually condemned Children sexual immorality; "If anyone causes one of these little ones that follow me to sin, it is better that a millstone be hung around his neck and dropped into the depths of the sea."
Bible is Peverted
Number 31:18
The Holy Bible Psalm 137:9 9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.
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@@m.albayati5925 In context: "Remember, Eternal One, how the Edomites, our brothers, the descendants of Esau,
stood by and watched as Jerusalem fell.
Gloating, they said, “Destroy it;
tear it down to the ground,” when Jerusalem was being demolished.
8 O daughter of Babylon, you are destined for destruction!
Happy are those who pay you back for how you treated us
so you will no longer walk so proud.
9 Happy are those who dash your children against the rocks
so you will know how it feels." It's about Karma being a bitch not about murdering children
"Little ones" doesn't mean under 18.
@@didatebnedidar3716 Jesus uses the term "Little ones" because Children are the greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven, according to him. He says this explicitly. Demands that his followers be like little children in order to get into the Kingdom of Heaven. So leading a man into temptation is just as evil as leading a Child into temptation. Because they are equivocated by Jesus referring to his disciples as "Little ones".
Daniel: I’ll read the abstract.
Michael: I’ll read the actual study.
I was dead ☠️
Timestamp that please
Edit: 1:02:52
Please you Rwandan or joe
Daniel is right
@@sal6857 about? care to be specific?
@@noblesix2983 all
Thanks for coming out to debate, Mike! It was a true pleasure!
You purposefully make christians look bad by putting people like IP into debates who basically said, the whole of Christianity was wrong before secular enlightenment.
I know you are secret muslim doing Taqqiya to gather Christian audience and make them far from god. You are a bad human being
Listening to 1:18:15, it just popped into my mind that would the same standard be argued for young boys? That is, with all their raging hormones, they should be allowed to marry at very young ages of 8-14? But then I realized it's way off topic, but an interesting thought.
1:25:32
Sub-Saharan Africa is not all Christian. I wish it were. Just a Google search will show you which regions and even in southern and eastern Africa, you find large regions which are Muslim.
Do child marriages occur in Christian communities? Yes? Are they encouraged? No! Do child marriages happen in Muslim communities? Yes! Are they encouraged? Yes! So, when a point is raised about STD, it is not in Christian communities because the region is filled with both, as well as with traditional African religions.
Edit - 1:27:30 - Child marriages in Nigeria come predominantly from the Northern region which is Muslim dominated and Sharia ruled.
Thanks Michael for participating and thus exposing
I thought Mike Jones was the best interlocutor of the event James.
the fact that this is even considered a debatable topic is proof that we are in a fallen world
No it's not it's just that humanity has been modernized to the point that people born 1950 and above have lost touch with reality before 1950 during the great wonderful era of prosperity after the United States One World war two and rebuilding a lot of the rebuilding was halfway through in many of the key infrastructure cities in the 1950s it was moving. The lifespan since 1900 has a hundred x the average lifespan before antibiotics and vaccines was around 30 to 50 years of age now if you take care of yourself and you listen to nutritionist and doctors are expected to live 100 plus they're only about 13 countries I can think of that still have that life expectancy of less than 50 years old but three confirmed
🤮🤮🤮🤮RAPING YOUNG GIRLS IN THE BIBLE ✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️✝️
Exodus 21:7
When a man sells his young daughter as a sex slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. 8. If she does not satisfy her owner, he must allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her.
RAPE IN THE BIBLE
2 Samuel 13:14
Brother(Amnon) Rapes his Sister(Tamar)
14.But he would not listen to her, and being stronger th
an she, he violated her and lay with her.
Judges 21:21
Wait there for the young women of Shiloh to come out and perform their dances. Then rush out and grab one of the young women, then take her home as your wife.
Numbers 31:17-18
So kill all the boys and all the women who have had intercourse with a man.
18. only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.
Deuteronomy 20:14
But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the plunder from your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.
@@scrappychildhood6633 the same argument daniel is using
Opened the comments to that say verbatim
@@scrappychildhood6633 take a seat buddy 🪑
The guys actually arguing that masterbation is worse that pedophilia. Wtf. 😖
It’s pretty disgusting.
Do you people even understand why Daniel is debating this? It has nothing to do with pedophilia. Most Muslims believe the hadith with Aisha's age IS WRONG. Only the Quran are the true words of God. Daniel just doesn't want attacks on the hadith because that's how it starts... until Islam becomes like Christianity and we lose the direct message from God. God's words don't change for atheism, liberalism, feminism, etc. The Quran is the truth and Islam is the true religion
Why did God create human reach the age of puberty at young age if he doesn’t want them to get married at that young age
Christianity condone it
Also human evolution condone it just look at animals
It’s interesting how Christians become liberal atheists when debating muslims
@@turkihazem The Bible and Christianity is not self indulgent nonsense like islam. The Bible even recommends virginity 1 Corinthians 7:38 "the one who is married will do well but the one who is not married will do better" 1 Corinthians 7:32-33 " The unmarried man is anxious for the things of the lord and how he may gain his approval. The married man is anxious for the things of the world and how he may gain his wife's approval and he is divided. Verse34 says the same but with the woman instead
@@turkihazem puberty is not an overnight process . Puberty takes 3 to 5 years to get completed . Marrying a child just because she got her first menses is paedophilia and it is nowhere mentioned that Aisha got puberty at 9 years . Along with physical maturation mental maturation of the body is also important as shown by mri scans of the brain in late teenagers compared with that of children
“Children today that are 10 in Africa are considered adults”
This brother just lied out of his ass
Proof that lying 🤥
Before 50 years
@@lil8282 1. His words were “Children TODAY” and I assure you, 10 years olds are children just like they are in other parts of the world. They are NOT considered adults in any way, shape or form.
2. Even then, that’s still not true. I am African, that’s just not how the culture worked “10 years old are adults”
@Hope you have the same standard!
The Holy Bible
-Psalm 137:9 9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.
-Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. 18 But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves.
-Leviticus 21:9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profanes herself by whoring, profanes her father; she shall be burned with fire.
-Your god Luke 11:27 27 As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!”
- How can god (Jesus) make his mother pregnant (a 12-year-old girl)?
*Note: Jesus is god, so he is the god of the old testament.
@@lil8282 Clearly you are ignorant. What do you know about Africa besides what media feeds you.....
A 10yr old child in Africa in the past and today was always a child and treated as such that is, protected, and provided for and in this case of a girl not given out in marriage to be molested as was done in Europe and Palestine.
Maybe a 100 years ago in African countries but not today
If someone thinks child sexual abuse is a better alternative to masturbation they are genuinely sick in the head
and if anyone thinks marrying young is bad then they are sick. the world does not work according to your american laws
No one says that. You could see:
like that: Nuns Sexually Abused These Women For Years. Now Survivors Speak Out:
ua-cam.com/video/OQcbtLOcHtg/v-deo.html
How the Catholic Church Hid Away Hundreds of Irish Children | Times Documentaries
Bible is book sicking
🕳🤡⚧🏳️🌈 sick too
Hope you have the same standard!!
The Holy Bible
-Psalm 137:9 9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.
-Leviticus 21:9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profanes herself by whoring, profanes her father; she shall be burned with fire.
-Your god Luke 11:27 27 As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!”
- How can god (Jesus) make his mother pregnant (a 12-year-old girl)?
Notice it's never 8 year old boys arguing on a debate stage that they should be allowed to marry. It's just weird adult men arguing that they should be allowed to marry children much younger than them. Funnily enough, I never see any children debating many issues at all, hmmm... why is that? Could it be that children have childlike minds and haven't developed psychologically and don't understand many concepts at all. If marriage is seriously the issue, then let the 8 year Olds marry the 8 year Olds, but that's not what they want to do is it, no, the adults want the right to marry the children, not the children to marry the other children. Gtfoh
Well said.
On the other hand gipsy minors who aren’t children are the ones who want to marry somebody.
exactly. no one thinks of this
That’s a great point. Perverted men are arguing for this and kids are surprisingly silent on this whole debate.
It would be one thing if he argued that hormonal teenagers marrying each other would solve the promiscuity problem (it probably wouldn't). It's another thing for him to argue that full grown men should have the right to marry girls who haven't even finished puberty.
I dont know. this 8 year old I know made a convincing argument why Steve from Minecraft is really link from Zelda
Women "complete" Puberty at 8-9? Haqiqatqajou definitely missed high school biology classes.
Actually women are hitting puberty younger and younger ever since we modernized which is actually an anomaly and are science understanding because this didn't happen before industrial revolution of vaccines antibiotics able to do inpatient Care on an adequate sanitized level and we still to this day scientists can't understand why women are having. 3-8 years old.
And the youngest mothers in history was 5-year-old she was four had a child at 5:00 and you can look at this disturbing list that is being tracked I don't know his tracking it and I know a government somewhere is funding it.. I started to research this for my pitfalls and American sex education paperwork but I was told that was forbidden at civitas state college so I had to back away I was also for better to research survivor type studies to leave it politely I wanted to find scientific and documented evidence why I believe in virgin marriage I did find a paper of changes that a woman goes through what she has her first experience but again the college told me about allowed to put in my paper
@@scrappychildhood6633 yes girls are going through puberty earlier but that is a totally seperate issue to precocious puberty where girls of very young age such as the 5 year old who gave birth.
That is out of the bounds of normal puberty, its a rare medical condition.
As for why girls are going through normal puberty earlier we do actually have a good idea of why this is happening. The first is that children are fatter. Even the children of normal weight are about 8lbs heavier than their counterparts of 50 years or so ago. More fat means more oestrogen which is thought to be resulting in the earlier puberty.
We also know that in homes where a father is absent puberty occurs approximately a year earlier in girls. Given the large rise in single parent households (usually headed by mothers,) we could reasonably expect that to bring down a countries average age.
@@scrappychildhood6633 There are many contributing factors in precocious puberty. Often is a very high level of estrogen. This is more common in overweight girls. There are additives in foods today that we didn't have before that contribute. These additives are also suspected to feminize males as well. Marrying off a child because they started puberty is nuts especially a they are too young to even understand what is happening to their bodies.
@@scrappychildhood6633 children need to go to school for education, not to get married in such young age.
@@scrappychildhood6633 again STARTING Puberty doesn’t mean that young girl is ready for sexual encounters.
Puberty takes YEARS to complete it is not an overnight process.
The young child of five you speak of was R@p ed and had precocious puberty .. which is too early the onset of puberty. It again does NOT mean she should be married off. Also the child would need c/section and child likely born premature etc.
A Christian apologist once uttered some golden words:If you follow the way Jesus lived His life, you would be totally fine.But if you lived like Muhammad, you'd go to prison and be guilty for damaging others.And with that, we've said it all.
Muslims live like Muhammad, and that's totally fine. I've never been to prison either.
@This Apple Judges The man who's profile picture is a fruit is talking about who's based 😆
Amen 🙏
Actually , if you follow Jesus properly , you tend to go to Jail as well .
Depends on which country you live in. But for the most part, yeah its kinda true.
This shouldn’t be a debate, it should be a federal investigation.
@@raidthefridge7837 its haram to have context
@@avonsterling36120 😂😂😂
@Soldier When i was under the age of 10 and in fundamentalist church, the adults were, in general, sexually repressed, so no one ever talked about sex, which kept the kids both repressed and ignorant. Yet all around me society was still obsessed with sex in all sorts of ways. I actually developed the notion that "true" religious fervor, being "on fire for the Lord", would "solve" the problem of unconsummated sexual desire! 😇. Then i read that passage in. I Corinthians 7:8 about how it's "better to marry than to burn". 🙄 That gave me the impression that most Christians got married only for sex, not because they loved each other! Isn't religion "moral"! 🙄😆 Until well into the 20th century, if a single woman and man wanted to have sex, what they often did was to first marry to satisfy the usual "moral" community standard set by Paul that it's "better to marry than to burn", then got a quickie divorce claiming "fornication", which, according to "Jesus" in Matthew 5:31, is the only grounds for divorce. Then of course they'd repeat that process as many times as they wanted sex with other partners. After a while things changed, as younger people actually started questioning the status quo and just got so sick and tired of the older generation's religious hypocrisy.... Now the Internet provides something unheard of in the olden days, many forums to actually converse and exchange opinions about these matters. That also means religions can keep on spreading their same old propaganda, although with updates to make it look better to the latest generation....
@Soldier maybe try harder taking verses out of context, Satan did better than you when trying to tempt Jesus with out-of-context scripture
@Soldier IT IS ABOUT WIDOWWWWWWW. YIKES MUSLIM PEDOOOSSSS ARE TRYING TO FIND JUSTIFICATION LMAOOO
Assuming that all desires need an outlet is a mighty error. Restraint and chastity is a virtue.
Yes he is actually showing again how Islam is flawed. No concept of self control or patience.
@@hereweare9096 Well that's not true. The Quran does say to be chaste and have patience and other virtues. People just misconstrue its teachings.
@@deepforestfire Well Daniel doesn’t seem to know that. He is advocating that children act on urges. I have not seen him say fir children to work on self control and to wait until they are passed those initial flush of hormonal changes occur.. he doesn’t advocate working on education or learning a skill set. He thinks sexual activity for kids is fine..
@@hereweare9096when do people become adults instead of kids? When you pass the consent age that’s been dictated by governments to keep you in line? 🤣🤣🤣 do your research nobody said marry kids instead he’s advocating against fornication and pornography and masturbation that’s a standard occurrence in every christian house 🤣🤣🤣
@@deepforestfire so you’re defending him???? Please just give up there is no defending that side at all
What? I'm from Africa and we consider 10-12 years old CHILDREN NOT ADULTS!
I also wondered why he said "we Christians from the West will try to end this practice of child marriage". We Christians from the East & Africa, too!
@@paru-chinbaka5214the reason why he says west is because the west is most prone to becoming a pedophile supporting hellhole unfortunately
The guy is unhinged. Hopefully anyone who is friends with him knows to keep his/her children away from this guy, he is a monster. Every single thing he said is nauseating...
As an east African I can confirm that .
@@paru-chinbaka5214because he accused west not you
Proud of you brother. You were a lion in this debate. Keep it up.
Pedo defender is lion to you yeak
I found this debate through you Sam. Thank you!
I would LOVE to see you take DH apart in a debate!
Lion appreciating another lion, ofcourse when you're born of Lion of Judah this happens
The man himself. God bless your ministry abundantly brother Sam!🙏🏽
Where in Africa? I'm 30yrs never married, no kids African woman, child marriage is condemned in Kenya 🇰🇪
He LITERALLY gave out an entire list of African countries that support it by law.....
@@dathip Check they are did all be Islamic African countries. No African culture or community has a history of child marriage--Fact!
proof below European & American christian men married girls as young as 3 & 6 years old In Christian America more than 200,000 children were married between 2000 & 2015 proven in video below:
Why does the US have so many child brides? - BBC News Oct 24, 2017 ua-cam.com/video/erRrF8YWGd4/v-deo.html&ab_channel=BBCNews
.....In the 12th century, Gratian, the influential founder of canon law in medieval Europe, accepted the age of puberty for marriage to be around twelve for girls and around fourteen for boys but acknowledged consent to be meaningful if both children were older than seven years of age.[4] There were authorities that said that consent could take place earlier. Marriage would then be valid as long as neither of the two parties annulled the marital agreement before reaching puberty, or if they had already consummated the marriage. Judges sometimes honored marriages based on mutual consent at ages younger than seven: in contrast to established canon, there are recorded marriages of two- and three-year-olds.[3].....
.....The American colonies followed the English tradition, and the law was more of a guide. For example, Mary Hathaway (Virginia, 1689) was only nine when she was married to William Williams.[6] Sir Edward Coke "made it clear that the marriage of girls under 12 was normal, and the age at which a girl who was a wife was eligible for a dower from her husband's estate was 9 even though her husband be only four years old."[3].....
......In the 16th century, a small number of Italian and German states set the minimum age for sexual intercourse for girls, setting it at twelve years. ......
......Portugal, Spain, Denmark and the Swiss cantons initially set the minimum age at ten to twelve years.[7]...... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent
more proof below European & American men married girls as young as 3 & 6 years old:
- Isabella of Valois (aged 6) was married to Richard II of England (aged 29) in October 1396, a little over a week before her seventh birthday.
- Anne of Gloucester (aged about 7) was married to Thomas Stafford, 3rd Earl of Stafford (aged about 22), circa 1390.
-ecile of France (aged 8/9) was married to Tancred, Prince of Galilee (aged 30/31), in late 1106. As he was dying in 1112, Tancred made Pons, Count of Tripoli, promise to marry her; Pons and Cecile were married later that year, when she was 14/15 and he was 13/14.
- Joan of France (aged 9/10) was married to Odo IV, Duke of Burgundy (aged 22/23), in 1318.
- Maria of Navarre (aged 8/9) was married to Peter IV of Aragon (aged 18) in July 1338.
- Marie of Ponthieu (aged 9), was married to Simon of Dammartin (aged 27/28) in 1208.
- Elizabeth de Badlesmere (aged 3) was married to Edmund Mortimer (aged about 13/14, possibly younger) in 1316.
- Marie of Berry (aged about 11) was married to Louis III de Châtillon in 1386. After Louis's death, she was married to Philip of Artois, Count of Eu (aged 34/35), in 1393 at the age of about 18.
-eatrice of Vermandois (aged about 10) was married to Robert, Margrave of Neustria (aged about 24; later King of West Francia), in c. 890
-Beatrice of Castile (aged about 11), illegitimate daughter of Alfonso X of Castile and his mistress Mayor Guillén de Guzmán, was married to Afonso III of Portugal (aged 42/43) in 1253.
- Maud de Ufford (born 1345/46) was married to Thomas de Vere, 8th Earl of Oxford (aged about 15), sometime before 10 June 1350, when Maud was about 5-years-old.
- Matilda of England (aged 11), daughter of Henry II of England, was married to Henry the Lion (aged about 37/39) in 1168.
- Eleanor of England, daughter of Eleanor of Aquitane and Henry II of England, married 15-year-old Alfonso VIII of Castile in 1170, when she was about 9-years-old.
- Eleanor of England, daughter of Eleanor of Aquitane and Henry II of England, married 15-year-old Alfonso VIII of Castile in 1170, when she was about 9-years-old.
- Elizabeth de Bohun (aged about 9) was married to Richard Fitzalan (aged 12/13) in 1359.
- Agnes of France was betrothed at age 8 and is reported to have been 9-years-old when she married Alexios II Komnenos (aged 10) in 1180. She was widowed in 1183 at the age of 12, and was then married to Andronicus Comnenus (aged 65); he died two years later.
- Isabella of Hainault (aged 10) married Philip II of France (aged 14) in 1180. She had previously been betrothed to Henry, future Count of Champagne, when he was 5 and she was only 1.
- Marie of Brienne (aged about 10) was married to Baldwin II of Constantinople (aged about 17) in 1234.
- Margaret of England (aged 11) was married to Alexander III of Scotland (aged 10) in December 1251.
-Elizabeth of Sicily (aged 8/9) was married to the future Ladislaus IV of Hungary (aged 7/8) in 1270.
- Katherine Mortimer (aged about 5) was married to Thomas Beauchamp (aged about 6) in 1319.
- Joan of the Tower (aged 7) was married to the future David II of Scotland (aged 4) in 1328. more on this link en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_child_brides
Maybe he is reffering to Boko Haram 😂😂😂😂
The list IS África. Countries run by muslims.
How is this is even a debate? That guy should be on a watchlist for these kinds of opinions
Ha ha ha people we don't agree with should be censored. Typical snowflake. LOL
Well children in your society engage in sex. Check out the teenage pregnancy in your society and see the number of under 18 years that get pregnant. Hypocrites.
Becaus that creepy disgusting religion from Arab says its okey to have sex with 9 years old child. Their prophet do so, married with Aisyah when she is 6 and consumated the marriage when Aisyah just 9 years old, Muhammad was 54 at that time 🤮🤮🤮
But he’s got the funny robe and cap and a beard and speaks a foreign language, so how can we harm him?
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You should be on Ted's mailing list, if you get my drift.
Someone raid his house and take a look at his PC, man! Also can't wrap my head around this question even being up for debate.
I like the part when he’s called 12 year old brides ‘children’ and then corrected himself calling them ‘women’
His position is simultaneously that child marriage isn't wrong but they're women, not children lol
@@friendlyprism - Aisha was a 9 yr old woman....
Islam. 😀LOL!!!
The Holy Bible Psalm 137:9 9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.
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@@m.albayati5925 So…if you read the whole Psalm instead of cherry picking a single verse you’d see that this is a song about the children of Israel during their exile in Babylon. But you probably know that and are just feigning ignorance.
@@dreadtolivewithoutChrist they cherry pick everything, including their own scripture to lur people into the belief system
As a female I developed fairly early, having my first period at age 10. I was sexually pursued by a neighbour when I was 9 through to 11 (and thankfully protected before anything too serious transpired). Let me be clear; I was a CHILD, and not a WOMAN.
Puberty is not just physical, its mental. Development is gradual. And though I am 28 now and happily married, I still bare the scars of those times.
Pedophilia was, is, and always will be wrong. Mohammed was no exception.
I'm sorry to hear that.
But a 9-11 year old boy with a 10 year old girl is not considered a pedophile. So that sounds like a childhood trauma to me.
Blaming the Prophet Muhammad for your experience is a very unreasonable conclusion, especially to say that he was a pedophile.
He is the *Perfect Example* for mankind.
"Puberty is not only physical, it is also mental" => this is today's standard, not hundreds or thousands of years ago. No psychologist has said that in the past, people who married children aged 9-14 years were pedophiles.
@@taidewa no puberty is really mental you have to mature with time and that's natural not a social standard
To clarify, the neighbour was in his sixties, I was aged 9-11 when it happened. The ordeal lasted 3 years.
@@taidewa I don't blame Mohammed for my experience. But neither do I exslove him of the same sin. My experience would have been very similar to Aisha's, I pity her. Anyone whom thinks marrying a 9 year is acceptable, is deeply misinformed.
@@LeoBraveheart1My empathy is with you, quite similar to my story. Got my period when I was 9. Now 29, I can’t imagine anyone thinking I was able to give consent to marriage or sex. It’s beyond terrifying to think about. This person won’t respond to you after your last response. Nothing he can say unless he’s advocating pedophilia as most Muslims do, along with incest. I know many, many Muslims and can vouch. Remember this my friend, their prophet was not only a pedophile but a very sinful man. Mohammad is an awful example to humanity- whereas Jesus was without sin and maintained pure throughout his life. He was and always will be perfect. Our prophet is perfect, theirs is full of sin. ♥️ peace my friend
“Both are immoral, Daniel” is going to live rent free in my head for at least a year. I’m still crying with laughter.
we must make it a sound clip or a gif ❤🙌
Hope you have the same standard!!
The Holy Bible
-Psalm 137:9 9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.
-Leviticus 21:9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profanes herself by whoring, profanes her father; she shall be burned with fire.
-Your god Luke 11:27 27 As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!”
- How can god (Jesus) make his mother pregnant (a 12-year-old girl)?
@@m.albayati5925 You’re taking verses out of context… These verses aren’t even relevant lmfao.
The million-dollar question, is it a sin to marry someone under the age of 18?
@@m.albayati5925 She was not 12, nor is her age ever mentioned, but more likely 14-15. Pregnancy at 12 would almost guarantee death during childbirth.
24 minutes in and Daniel is already lying. Issac did NOT marry Rebecca when she was 3 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
I can’t even understand how he reads scripture to think that a woman carrying water and gives it to camels is 3 years old. But this dude doesn’t understand the difference between a child at 10 and an adult of 25, so he probably think a 3 year old girl can do this work.
Agreed, she was clearly a young woman. Critically she was asked whether she wanted to agree to the marriage before she was engaged.
Ahitophel, the grandfather of bathsheba died at the age of 33 years old. This is according to jewish and christian interpretation. The most logical thing one can deduce is that bathsheba was below 10 years old at the very least
@@malhekuba7473 who?
@@malhekuba7473 jewish men could be married at 13, so if he was 33 Bathsheba could easily be anywhere from 17-20. lol
How in the world is this even a topic for debate? Props to Michael Jones for destroying this disgusting individual, it's horrible that Islam permits this.
cry me a river.
@@azmolhossain9244 Found the pedophile
I'm sorry, but are we watching the same debate? In no way, shape or form, was Daniel destroyed, it was the opposite actually.
Sharia rulings on Obstetric fistula
If a husband rips open his INFANT wife, he may not divorce her but may take another in her place
If a man rips open his INFANT slave girl, he may not sell her.
If a man suspects his INFANT wife of adultery, he will be fined as she is considered TOO SMALL to crawl away or give consent
Daniel was lying through his tooth
I just came from watching comments about this debate in Daniel Haqiqatjou's channel. I can only say that I am very concerned for the well-being of many muslim girls...
Yes, it is clear they don’t care about girls, and will ignore all the harm child marriages cause so they use them for sadistic pleasure.
@@InspiringPhilosophy Mr. Jones, I kindly suggest you take a break from this particular issue. I can clearly see it is filling you with rage. Maybe you are drinking more. I understand your rage. It's totally justifiable, but please don't think about this debate too much. It will only sour your mood. I live in a M majority nation and our countryside is plagued by this social problem called child marriage. It used to be worse but through government and non-gov intervention it has improved and continues to get better. Hope you find comfort in the fact that the general global trend is positive for young girls. Peace ☺
What about Christian girls? Read bibe all
@@oishikhasan8500 man argues against pedophelia and you say he’s drunk and angry… ok bud
@@alexmora8841 I did not say he is drunk. I said I sympathize with his anger because he just recently debated a guy arguing in favor of child marriage. But I requested he take some break thinking about this issue because how emotionally distressing it is. I mentioned drinks because Mr. Jones was drinking in a live hangout a day after the debate, obviously to calm himself. He clearly looked pissed.
You totally misrepresented my well meaning comment towards Mr. Jones. Please think more before you criticize anyone.
The Predator laptop is priceless. The owner is disgusting.
Joke is on him, Acer Predator laptops have a terrible heating problem.
I was considering converting to Islam a few years ago when I was trying to find the true faith. Finding out the life of their prophet and what was and wasn't acceptable under Sharia was what convinced me that Islam was not the true faith and that Christianity was.
@Damien R. Its merely a potemkin village and only exists because Islam is maintained by force that "strong family" will be the first to kill you for apostasy.
You are also clearly focused on global domination as opposed to redemption of the soul.
@Hope you have the same standard!
The Holy Bible
-Psalm 137:9 9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.
-Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. 18 But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves.
-Leviticus 21:9 And the daughter of any priest, if she profanes herself by whoring, profanes her father; she shall be burned with fire.
-Your god Luke 11:27 27 As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!”
- How can god (Jesus) make his mother pregnant (a 12-year-old girl)?
*Note: Jesus is god, so he is the god of the old testament.
I’m very happy for you! Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and I pray that Muslims continue to open themselves up to Christ’s perfect sacrifice❤️
@@laszlokiss483 are you atheist or which religons you following now?
Lmfao , Christianity the true faith believing in trinity and a blessed prophet human being become lamb of god and cursed , dude seriously u lack of knowledge ,this is the best joke ever. I don’t know why people who worship a man who said worship god and himself were worshipping God, still focusing too much on the man life. Meanwhile, Jesus, Prophet, Muhammad and Moses are just mediators between men and God just to bring the message and preach the oneness of god but since you are in this low-level, may God help your brother
I know I’m getting into this late, but I noticed something very telling and concerning. Mike always refers to women and girls as human beings that deserve love, respect, and protection. Daniel always refers to them as property that needs to be “secured” asap to give the man children. In Islam women and children are just tools to help the man achieve his personal goals, but in Christianity they’re some of the most highly regarded people in a society. That alone says everything you need to know about who’s right in this debate.
Fax.
Well said!
If we look at history, in both traditions (islam and christianity) women have been considered as either breeding tools or house decorations.
@thegrunbeld6876 that's a straight up lie lmao have you ever read Christian scripture regarding women?
@@brandonkiplinger4961Have you been reading history books?