I've found DeepSeek to be by far the most useful and creative for writing fiction. To come out of nowhere and surpass all the other s is amazing. I've totally given up on Claude and am done paying the 20 bucks a month, it's just getting worse and worse...
@badbackbatch I was trying Deepseek using the OpenRouter API on Novelcrafter, but so far, its output has been disappointing (compared to its output from their vanilla chat) since I've never customized the settings before. Can you share your prompt settings?
@@badbackbatch Yes DeepSeek is the obvious choice due to being both free and powerful. However DeepSeek has problem in that the fact it thinks so much means that it literally takes forever to get out it's pros, while Claude can match it's quality but is much faster, and can do more writing overall. However if you just only care about the API, DeepSeek's API pricing is the best from what I was told.
Am I tripping or did the Deepseek R1 API get waaay more expensive overnight? 7$/MT both in and out). 'Market adjustment' I guess, lol. I've only done some style tests and was quite impressed. But purely going on the prose, which I ran with detailed prose instructions and a sample text, I still prefer the latest Sonnet. But I'm curious how it does for more complex structuring tasks. As it stands, the time it takes to generate responses might not make it my go-to for back-and forth iteration.
One thing to point out about the cost using pay as you go. Yes, the output of words is cheap, but what can nail you is the input of words, which is more expensive. And remember where Jason was pointing out how Novelcrafter pulls in data from your codex about characters, locations etc.? This can add up to a lot of tokens, especially if you are including the current scene or outline with your prompt. And dont even think about including the full text of your novel unless absolutely necessary. So in my experience it is the input tokens, not the output tokens, where the cost adds up. It is still relatively inexpensive for what you get, but keep this in mind.
Despite having access to DeepSeek and the O3 mini, I still love and paying subscriber to Claude Sonnet, eagerly anticipating the release of the latest Opus model to assist me with the scientific reasoning and writing required for my PhD.
Mistral when using the API is 100% NSFW, there's not a single prompt that it will reject. I pushed it to the limits of violence and other things. And by the end of the year, with Deepseek and all of those having 01 breakthroughs at half the computing power and speed, Mistral will get to GPT levels of writing soon.
@@ERICDIZZYASMR He goes through tutorials of Openrouter, which is where you can use the Mistral API. The Deepseek breakthrough, if true, and not done by illegal chips (if it can be replicated), changes the entire frontier of AI and creates an actual AI superboom. Every human being with an idea will be able to get funding for an AI, because at 5.5 million dollars of training to reach 01 broad level understanding. You're talking 1 to 2 million to create a bot specific for novel writing, that would be only for the purpose of composing literature. Trained to think and operate on that level. We would see a renaissance of technological options. If it's true. Most people at the moment actually think it is more likely than not true, so this is exciting.
@ritpop per month, actually. Anyways, thank you. Can u reach you in any way? I just started my journey in self-publishing. With findawayvoices precisely.
About Claude, the Model Opus says that "excels at writing". So for creative writing is better to use that model? Seems maybe obvious but I still have doubt... have you tried, have you compared if Opus is better for creative writing?
How good is the Muse model from Sudowrite compared to Claude 3.5? Can you fine tune the Muse model? I also go with Novelcrafter. I guess seeing the Muse model on Novelcrafter wont happen? I use Openrouter and it lasts soo long with whatever you throw at it. I tried Poe, but their cheapest plan wasnt enough, so you move on to the 20 dollar plan which is what all AI service is around. sometimes I dont use AI that much, so the pay as you go system of Openrouter is perfect for that. If only they had an option for a cloud service to sync between the devices I wouldnt ever look at other places.
I have been creating a website similar to novelcrafter for myself as I feel like paying 14$ a month (which is what you need to pay for the codex use) is a bit much honestly. Let me know if you want to beta test it, its totally free for now.
I have been unhappy with Claude lately. The excerpts it writes are well written and creative, but it’s shallow and can’t seem to write beyond its first inclination. I’ve deleted phrases about “long shadows stretched” hundreds, maybe even thousands of times, among other phrases it uses to death-“smile that didn’t reach her eyes,” “chest tightened,” “glint in her eyes,” etc.
AI writers. What about the privacy? Are you really so happy to share all your work with all those companies? How does it look at your end Mr. Novelist. Do you take any extra steps in terms of cybersecurity?
@TheNerdyNovelist Can you expand your answer? I would love to start using it all peacefully. What should/shouldn't we do when using those tools? Should I get additional software to secure myself? Etc. I could ask GPT, but it's better to ask an experienced AI writer. I would appreciate some guidance for careful users like me. Thanks Man 🫡 and all the best to you!
Hi, Jason. First of all, I think that your UA-cam Channel is one of the best for begginers, like my, to understand the the process and realy start writing, and your analysis of the chatbots and specialized software it helps to find the one that it suits for your budget and goals. Keeping that on mind, I would like your insight about DIBBLY CREATE. I've heard a lot about that software, but I'm not sure if its good o not. I would love your analysis about that. Thanks in advance.
Love your channel, not a fan of the jump cut editing though. This trend has taken over the social media platforms. I miss natural movements and pauses!
Did you tried already deepseek R1? I am a pantser writer then I really don't use much novelcrafter and I work faster with raptorwrite and I made a test to compare R1, gemini, gpt o1 and claude and honestly speaking I don't see R1 too behind the others in terms of fiction writing, you will still need to do a lot of editing anyways, I am a messy writer that throw a lot of things at once in my chapter and the way Ai helps me the most is by putting everything in place and structure the scene, and the best results I got (is subjective and more about personal preference) are R1 and Claude, I dislike heavy ornamented wordy literature I like to write fast pace fantasy, I hate and bore me any type of internal conflict, I know is a selling point because weak people will always relate with those hardly crafted weak characters full of internal conflicts, but I prefer to use the main motivation of my characters to understand what drives their actions, then I found Claude sometimes a little to sweet talker and normally even putting in the prompt to use very simple words tens to write in a more refined style, I write fiction not poetry, in the other hand I am very surprised R1 being a free model structure my chapters very neat and keep a good flow in the narrative without embellishing things, the only I noticed is that I need to keep an eye on the model because R1 likes to add new plot points, then I need to activate all folders to guide the model in the direction I want and add in the prompt specific instructions and prohibiting to add any additional events, but after I got familiarize with the model tendencies now is working perfectly to my purpose and needs, gemini is too woke and always refuses to write spicy scenes, o1 is just okay, then I was limited to use only Claude, but now I can generate with both claude and R1 and take the best parts of both generations.
It is if you use it via api. I have made a website similar to novelcrafter and currently its free to use. It uses openrouter in the same way like novelcrafter and you can write pretty much any NSFW content you want.
I don't understand why you insist upon using AI to write books. The whole point of making art is that it's from a place of humanity. People create art to connect with others (from the human desire for connection), but more importantly, we write to express who we are as a person. Our passions, our beliefs, all of that. It's not expressed through how we made the art either, it's expressed through the art itself. Having an AI write it already takes away the humanity in the story. Creativity is one of the greatest gifts humanity has been blessed with, and it should be put to use. You're not making art, you're making slop.
It’s still the human. The AI is inert without human guidance. It’s just a productivity tool. Like Photoshop for a visual artist. Just a different way of expressing humanity.
@@TheNerdyNovelist The difference is that Photoshop you still have to sit down and put a decent amount of work into what you're doing. I've done Photoshop. That shits a pain in the ass sometimes. You're having an AI write for you. Yes, you still have to at least create a premise for the story to give to the AI, but in the end, it's still gonna come off as soulless, because an AI is not human.
Please evaluate DeepSeek. We would love it. How it stands in creative writing in english compared with the big 3 ?
I’m a little worried about the disclaimer on DeepSeek: “Information submitted to DeepSeek will be safely stored on CCCP servers.”
I've found DeepSeek to be by far the most useful and creative for writing fiction. To come out of nowhere and surpass all the other s is amazing. I've totally given up on Claude and am done paying the 20 bucks a month, it's just getting worse and worse...
@badbackbatch I was trying Deepseek using the OpenRouter API on Novelcrafter, but so far, its output has been disappointing (compared to its output from their vanilla chat) since I've never customized the settings before. Can you share your prompt settings?
@@badbackbatch Yes DeepSeek is the obvious choice due to being both free and powerful. However DeepSeek has problem in that the fact it thinks so much means that it literally takes forever to get out it's pros, while Claude can match it's quality but is much faster, and can do more writing overall.
However if you just only care about the API, DeepSeek's API pricing is the best from what I was told.
Am I tripping or did the Deepseek R1 API get waaay more expensive overnight? 7$/MT both in and out). 'Market adjustment' I guess, lol. I've only done some style tests and was quite impressed. But purely going on the prose, which I ran with detailed prose instructions and a sample text, I still prefer the latest Sonnet. But I'm curious how it does for more complex structuring tasks. As it stands, the time it takes to generate responses might not make it my go-to for back-and forth iteration.
You should do a video about Deepseek on fiction writing
No, deepseek? I felt is was pretty good. Also free in chat, and very cheap api. It also has reasoning and websearch.
He makes the videos way in advance I think.
Its having alzeimer in the middle of long convo, but yeah its cheaper.
Upload a large context document and it can't handle it. It's basically useless for complex writing projects in its current state.
DeepSeek includes a disclaimer that it’s storing all of the information provided “safely” on Chinese Communist Party servers….
Wasn’t available when I made this. Though it’s more of a model not a tool. Which I differentiate between at the beginning of the video.
One thing to point out about the cost using pay as you go. Yes, the output of words is cheap, but what can nail you is the input of words, which is more expensive. And remember where Jason was pointing out how Novelcrafter pulls in data from your codex about characters, locations etc.? This can add up to a lot of tokens, especially if you are including the current scene or outline with your prompt. And dont even think about including the full text of your novel unless absolutely necessary. So in my experience it is the input tokens, not the output tokens, where the cost adds up. It is still relatively inexpensive for what you get, but keep this in mind.
Despite having access to DeepSeek and the O3 mini, I still love and paying subscriber to Claude Sonnet, eagerly anticipating the release of the latest Opus model to assist me with the scientific reasoning and writing required for my PhD.
Mistral when using the API is 100% NSFW, there's not a single prompt that it will reject. I pushed it to the limits of violence and other things. And by the end of the year, with Deepseek and all of those having 01 breakthroughs at half the computing power and speed, Mistral will get to GPT levels of writing soon.
I'd love to learn more about this
@@ERICDIZZYASMR He goes through tutorials of Openrouter, which is where you can use the Mistral API.
The Deepseek breakthrough, if true, and not done by illegal chips (if it can be replicated), changes the entire frontier of AI and creates an actual AI superboom.
Every human being with an idea will be able to get funding for an AI, because at 5.5 million dollars of training to reach 01 broad level understanding.
You're talking 1 to 2 million to create a bot specific for novel writing, that would be only for the purpose of composing literature. Trained to think and operate on that level. We would see a renaissance of technological options.
If it's true.
Most people at the moment actually think it is more likely than not true, so this is exciting.
Thanks for all the great information! Everyone talks so fast on these type videos! lol! It's alot to take in! Appreciate it!
What's the best AI to narrate audiobooks, please?
ElevenLabs, paid too good. if its only for english kokoro tts is great fast and open source
@ritpop but it doesn't allow unlimited words
This is quite a computationally expensive task for now so you you will only find limited use case like Elevenlabs.
@@benjaminanyanwu6300 ? How is that important? Just break the text then conct thr audios
@ritpop per month, actually.
Anyways, thank you. Can u reach you in any way? I just started my journey in self-publishing. With findawayvoices precisely.
Deepseek and Hailuo Minimax LLM please.
So, when are you going to give a review on the new Chinese AI "DeepSeek" (as it applies to writers) which is so prominent in the news lately.
The Mistral novelist has 6 fingers - AI for the win!
Can you take a completed work of fiction that ChatGPT helped you write and feed it to one of the specialty apps for a rewrite?
Nice roundup! Thanks!
About Claude, the Model Opus says that "excels at writing". So for creative writing is better to use that model? Seems maybe obvious but I still have doubt... have you tried, have you compared if Opus is better for creative writing?
No. I’ve found Opus to be far behind Sonnet 3.5
How good is the Muse model from Sudowrite compared to Claude 3.5? Can you fine tune the Muse model? I also go with Novelcrafter. I guess seeing the Muse model on Novelcrafter wont happen? I use Openrouter and it lasts soo long with whatever you throw at it. I tried Poe, but their cheapest plan wasnt enough, so you move on to the 20 dollar plan which is what all AI service is around. sometimes I dont use AI that much, so the pay as you go system of Openrouter is perfect for that. If only they had an option for a cloud service to sync between the devices I wouldnt ever look at other places.
I have been creating a website similar to novelcrafter for myself as I feel like paying 14$ a month (which is what you need to pay for the codex use) is a bit much honestly. Let me know if you want to beta test it, its totally free for now.
Much better and no you can’t fine tune.
😊 Thank you!
Can Novel crafter be use for screenplays or tv writing?
Yes it can.
I have been unhappy with Claude lately. The excerpts it writes are well written and creative, but it’s shallow and can’t seem to write beyond its first inclination. I’ve deleted phrases about “long shadows stretched” hundreds, maybe even thousands of times, among other phrases it uses to death-“smile that didn’t reach her eyes,” “chest tightened,” “glint in her eyes,” etc.
Omg. 😂 That happens to me too
It's actually an hour of time per day for the Advance Voice on the $20 plan.
Is Deepseek still available outside mainland China?
Yep. I use it via OpenRouter.
@@TheNerdyNovelist Thank you!v Incidentally I'm a great fan of yours
I am surprised Google AI studio was not mentioned, it's completely free to use.
The APIs of any of the tools are fine. But they’re not really tools.
@ Buy Google AI Studio is a tool, it works very similarly to chatgpt website.
What about LivingWriter?
Avoid
AI writers. What about the privacy? Are you really so happy to share all your work with all those companies?
How does it look at your end Mr. Novelist. Do you take any extra steps in terms of cybersecurity?
Because I know how LLMs work, no. I have absolutely zero fear of what these companies do with my data. It won’t impact me in the slightest.
@TheNerdyNovelist
Can you expand your answer? I would love to start using it all peacefully.
What should/shouldn't we do when using those tools? Should I get additional software to secure myself? Etc.
I could ask GPT, but it's better to ask an experienced AI writer. I would appreciate some guidance for careful users like me.
Thanks Man 🫡 and all the best to you!
Mistral Medium in Poe is uncensored. I only use it to generate spicy scenes in my chapter.
Hi, Jason. First of all, I think that your UA-cam Channel is one of the best for begginers, like my, to understand the the process and realy start writing, and your analysis of the chatbots and specialized software it helps to find the one that it suits for your budget and goals. Keeping that on mind, I would like your insight about DIBBLY CREATE. I've heard a lot about that software, but I'm not sure if its good o not. I would love your analysis about that. Thanks in advance.
It’s not good. They have a strong affiliate network which is why you’ve heard of it a lot. But don’t believe the hype. At least for now.
DEEPSEEK, how does it compare??
Open router + novelcrafter artisan Both pay as you go. Open router plus Raptor Writer from the future Fiction Academy and the latter is free.
Publisher Rocket vs Bookbeam?
Rocket.
Love your channel, not a fan of the jump cut editing though. This trend has taken over the social media platforms. I miss natural movements and pauses!
it's not about you
Did you tried already deepseek R1? I am a pantser writer then I really don't use much novelcrafter and I work faster with raptorwrite and I made a test to compare R1, gemini, gpt o1 and claude and honestly speaking I don't see R1 too behind the others in terms of fiction writing, you will still need to do a lot of editing anyways, I am a messy writer that throw a lot of things at once in my chapter and the way Ai helps me the most is by putting everything in place and structure the scene, and the best results I got (is subjective and more about personal preference) are R1 and Claude, I dislike heavy ornamented wordy literature I like to write fast pace fantasy, I hate and bore me any type of internal conflict, I know is a selling point because weak people will always relate with those hardly crafted weak characters full of internal conflicts, but I prefer to use the main motivation of my characters to understand what drives their actions, then I found Claude sometimes a little to sweet talker and normally even putting in the prompt to use very simple words tens to write in a more refined style, I write fiction not poetry, in the other hand I am very surprised R1 being a free model structure my chapters very neat and keep a good flow in the narrative without embellishing things, the only I noticed is that I need to keep an eye on the model because R1 likes to add new plot points, then I need to activate all folders to guide the model in the direction I want and add in the prompt specific instructions and prohibiting to add any additional events, but after I got familiarize with the model tendencies now is working perfectly to my purpose and needs, gemini is too woke and always refuses to write spicy scenes, o1 is just okay, then I was limited to use only Claude, but now I can generate with both claude and R1 and take the best parts of both generations.
Yep got a video coming out about it soon.
Open source community have unsecured version of deepseek,
Finger count...
sounds to me like you have hundreds of dollars of subscriptions.. heaven forbid that use "pro" versions
One slight drawback to being an influencer…I pay for a LOT of tools.
Mistral AI is not unfiltered. Sadly
They all can be unfiltered if you JB well enough.
@kellynantonacci7885 not that tech savvy to do that. 😞
It is if you use it via api. I have made a website similar to novelcrafter and currently its free to use. It uses openrouter in the same way like novelcrafter and you can write pretty much any NSFW content you want.
I don't understand why you insist upon using AI to write books. The whole point of making art is that it's from a place of humanity. People create art to connect with others (from the human desire for connection), but more importantly, we write to express who we are as a person. Our passions, our beliefs, all of that. It's not expressed through how we made the art either, it's expressed through the art itself. Having an AI write it already takes away the humanity in the story. Creativity is one of the greatest gifts humanity has been blessed with, and it should be put to use. You're not making art, you're making slop.
It’s still the human. The AI is inert without human guidance. It’s just a productivity tool. Like Photoshop for a visual artist. Just a different way of expressing humanity.
I use it to create art. It is a tool, like a brush, which subsequently has more power than any other writing tool ever invented. :)
@@TheNerdyNovelist The difference is that Photoshop you still have to sit down and put a decent amount of work into what you're doing. I've done Photoshop. That shits a pain in the ass sometimes. You're having an AI write for you. Yes, you still have to at least create a premise for the story to give to the AI, but in the end, it's still gonna come off as soulless, because an AI is not human.
@ No writing tool is more powerful than pure creativity. Using AI won't make you a better writer, 'cause it's a crutch.
1st!
You do realize not everyone writes novels, don't you?
But they can.
It's a novelist channel, wdym?
What part of Nerdy Novelist is escaping you? You can use AI to answer.
it's a channel for novelists you dolt
Both the Video Title and Channel are about writing novels with AI.