Even if what Peterson says about the input and the out put of the mind there is a bigger issue of the self-referentiality. Or more so, the very reason that these speakers like to talk about the mind being input and output is to ignore the self-referentiality which gives humans the ability to think of the eternal. To think we have the soul.
,Sponges are NOT composed of sensory motor cells. Sponges DO NOT have ANY sensory cells... Why is this guy presenting such blatant misinformation? Also, sponges don't "map the patterns of the waves ". It doesn't "map" ANY "patterns". Sponges are also present far beneath any "waves"... maybe this guy should've said "currents" instead of "waves"... but even then, sponges don't "map" currents either... "It can only open and close pores" ... FALSE... some sponges are carnivorous and ensnare their prey instead of just opening their pores... "It does 1 to 1 fact to value mapping "..... no , it does not... Sponges don't analyze or map or plan or do anything like that...jesus, what the fuck is this guy talking about? Does he know how full of shit he is. Or does he actually think that he's presenting accurate information????? He started off making a vague claim about mechanisms between facts and values...he then blabbered about sponges and presenting flat out false info about sponges... And then he said some crap about how complex organisms have more complexity than non complex organisms...abd then he said "that's the structure I'm talking about " ...wow...how insightful...i never knew that humans have more complex biology than less complex organisns... Anyway, he goes on to say stuff like "you pick a single action because you can't act otherwise " He could've left out all that bullshit about sponges, and started off with that line and then substantiated it....but he didn't do that...he basically asserted that people can only act if they pick a single action... I can pick multiple actions and only exhibit one action..abd I can pick one action that includes multiple actions... Again, what the hell is he talking about??? "The mechanism that reduces the number of facts to the selected actions the mechanism that mediates between facts and values " What?!?! .... WHAT mechanism???? WHAT values???? Ugh.... this guy blabbered gibberish and didn't substantiate the claims he started off making...and he presented irrelevant and false information about sponges for no apparent reason other than to try to sound like he knows what he's talking about more so than his audience does... He reminds me of Deepak Chopra. Babbling aimlessly about lots of different topics, in hopes that people will only focus on the most basic and obvious information and then use that to defend against the people criticizing him for not being substantive or focused on anything specific or relevant to what he started off blabbering about.
I don't know enough about sponges. However, I'm betting he's telling something he read of perhaps simpler forms of sponges. If I say plants get their energy from sunlight, that statement isn't invalidated by the fact that some are carnivorous. Or maybe he's wrong entirely but doesn't change his point. "Sponges don't analyze or map or plan or do anything like that" I don't think you understood. They're not making a literal map, it's in the sense of how their behaviour is guided into the world. "I can pick multiple actions and only exhibit one action..abd I can pick one action that includes multiple actions..." What? The point is, you only do a single action at any given time (a group of actions is still an action-by-action basis), and to pick any action, you need a value system of why that action was chosen. "What?!?! .... WHAT mechanism???? WHAT values????" The mechanism between perception ("facts") and how the act ("values"), it requires an interpretation and prescriptive framework, which is what he's talking about.
You start off well talking about the facts of sponges... and then I can tell you get more and more crazy the more you rant, you begin losing your point, then only expressing your frustration. And then you end it by talking about Deepak Chopra. I can take a shot every time you say "blabber".
@@tiagovasc "A group of actions is still an action-by-action basis." So that means you cannot walk and sing at the same time? That would explain to me why you are able to write an article like "8 reasons why Jordan Peterson is the worst intellectual of our generation". It starts with the fact that Mr. Peterson is not part of your generation.
Jesus. A lot of your complaints were about things he said that are actually understandable. Just because you don’t understand it doesn’t make it plausible for you to act like Peterson has no idea what he’s talking about and somehow you do. “What??? Really?? He said that?? Huh??? Seriously???” as if you have it all figured out and no, this isn’t me trying to defend JP. I’m actually a huge Douglas Murray fan. This is me calling you out for trying to seem smarter than you are by acting like what you’re hearing is such nonsense. Also, what are you? A sponge expert?
I just had to call the fire brigade to put out my brain.
Even if what Peterson says about the input and the out put of the mind there is a bigger issue of the self-referentiality. Or more so, the very reason that these speakers like to talk about the mind being input and output is to ignore the self-referentiality which gives humans the ability to think of the eternal. To think we have the soul.
,Sponges are NOT composed of sensory motor cells. Sponges DO NOT have ANY sensory cells...
Why is this guy presenting such blatant misinformation?
Also, sponges don't "map the patterns of the waves ".
It doesn't "map" ANY "patterns".
Sponges are also present far beneath any "waves"... maybe this guy should've said "currents" instead of "waves"... but even then, sponges don't "map" currents either...
"It can only open and close pores" ... FALSE... some sponges are carnivorous and ensnare their prey instead of just opening their pores...
"It does 1 to 1 fact to value mapping "..... no , it does not... Sponges don't analyze or map or plan or do anything like that...jesus, what the fuck is this guy talking about? Does he know how full of shit he is. Or does he actually think that he's presenting accurate information?????
He started off making a vague claim about mechanisms between facts and values...he then blabbered about sponges and presenting flat out false info about sponges...
And then he said some crap about how complex organisms have more complexity than non complex organisms...abd then he said "that's the structure I'm talking about "
...wow...how insightful...i never knew that humans have more complex biology than less complex organisns...
Anyway, he goes on to say stuff like "you pick a single action because you can't act otherwise "
He could've left out all that bullshit about sponges, and started off with that line and then substantiated it....but he didn't do that...he basically asserted that people can only act if they pick a single action...
I can pick multiple actions and only exhibit one action..abd I can pick one action that includes multiple actions...
Again, what the hell is he talking about???
"The mechanism that reduces the number of facts to the selected actions the mechanism that mediates between facts and values "
What?!?! .... WHAT mechanism???? WHAT values????
Ugh.... this guy blabbered gibberish and didn't substantiate the claims he started off making...and he presented irrelevant and false information about sponges for no apparent reason other than to try to sound like he knows what he's talking about more so than his audience does...
He reminds me of Deepak Chopra. Babbling aimlessly about lots of different topics, in hopes that people will only focus on the most basic and obvious information and then use that to defend against the people criticizing him for not being substantive or focused on anything specific or relevant to what he started off blabbering about.
I don't know enough about sponges. However, I'm betting he's telling something he read of perhaps simpler forms of sponges. If I say plants get their energy from sunlight, that statement isn't invalidated by the fact that some are carnivorous. Or maybe he's wrong entirely but doesn't change his point.
"Sponges don't analyze or map or plan or do anything like that" I don't think you understood. They're not making a literal map, it's in the sense of how their behaviour is guided into the world.
"I can pick multiple actions and only exhibit one action..abd I can pick one action that includes multiple actions..." What? The point is, you only do a single action at any given time (a group of actions is still an action-by-action basis), and to pick any action, you need a value system of why that action was chosen.
"What?!?! .... WHAT mechanism???? WHAT values????" The mechanism between perception ("facts") and how the act ("values"), it requires an interpretation and prescriptive framework, which is what he's talking about.
Tiago V Faleiro you really handed him that L haha
You start off well talking about the facts of sponges... and then I can tell you get more and more crazy the more you rant, you begin losing your point, then only expressing your frustration. And then you end it by talking about Deepak Chopra.
I can take a shot every time you say "blabber".
@@tiagovasc "A group of actions is still an action-by-action basis." So that means you cannot walk and sing at the same time? That would explain to me why you are able to write an article like "8 reasons why Jordan Peterson is the worst intellectual of our generation". It starts with the fact that Mr. Peterson is not part of your generation.
Jesus. A lot of your complaints were about things he said that are actually understandable. Just because you don’t understand it doesn’t make it plausible for you to act like Peterson has no idea what he’s talking about and somehow you do. “What??? Really?? He said that?? Huh??? Seriously???” as if you have it all figured out and no, this isn’t me trying to defend JP. I’m actually a huge Douglas Murray fan. This is me calling you out for trying to seem smarter than you are by acting like what you’re hearing is such nonsense.
Also, what are you? A sponge expert?