These parents would rather buy guns for their children rather than invest in some therapy or counseling for them. How insane and disturbing. Teachers who noticed something was wrong with his state of mind and behaviour did the right thing by reporting it. It's unfortunate that 4 people are murdered.
They should have asked, had he brought a gun to school or did he intend to bring a gun to school. They should have also asked, that his school bag and locker be searched.
@Potter Charles No, the school should be equipped with those things. Had that been the case here there is a good probability this doesn't happen. The schools need to be as hardened as prisons. I'm sure companies would love the federal contracts to make this happen.
@@juliusrelampagos9780 this is why you should teach your children at a young age guns are not toys and are to be respected at all times. Giving a firearm to a minor is not criminal negligence. Letting them have it unsupervised and doing whatever they please with it unsupervised, that is criminal negligence.
I've been sent home from school for showing my midriff but I guess that's way more dangerous than drawing pictures of shooting people after getting caught shopping for ammo.
The disturbing images and words should've raised alarms, as in gong's and (1) parents/school administrators agree it's best to take him home / mental facility (2.) If above said adults agreed to keep him at school, resource officer should've been notified and had his backpack checked. What more did this kid have to prove whatever turmoil he held was tormenting him. Did he nee to write the 'Help me' in his own blood? Then have it delivered to both the school and his parents via pigeon carrier to be taken seriously? That would be kinda official, right? All the adults failed him and lives were lost and that community is broken. 😢
You can't say bomb on a plane but you can google ammo at school with a drawing of your intended crime and be allowed to return to class. Sending him home could've saved 4 beautiful lives. Smh.
I agree with you, however, given these parents……he would have done this the next day instead. The parents weren’t intervening to get him help, now it’s all too late.
The kid literally wrote THE THOUGHTS WONT STOP HELP ME in his drawing and left it where someone could find it. He asked someone to stop him. His parents completely failed. How did they not at least check his backpack and locker to ensure he didn't take his gun?
I think school authority could of taken all precautions and pay more attention to the picture and drawing. I am very proud of that teacher who brought it to the light. But school board did nothing to prevent it. They could of suspended kid from school. But they did not. I have seen at schools art picture of human faces. Half of the face normal and the other is like a zombie. What ever kids were amagenning in there heads and it is just art all over school walls. We should not allow evel picture like skeletons, blood, torture in kids teaching and education. And pay attention to the warnings ⚠️
I don't think anyone is placing blame with the teachers. Quite the opposite. It's the administration at the school that dropped the ball (after the parents, of course).
it’s not the teacher, it’s the brain dead phonies who run the school that sent him back to class. if anything people should sympathize with the teacher, but sadly people will just take a 5 second look and blame everyone
I couldn't even imagine how that teacher feels because she tried to notify them on 2 occasions. My heart goes out to those grieving and full of unanswered questions.
@@AC-ly6tg In hindsight yes, but she probably had faith in her superiors to take action. I would have been terrified when he walked back into the classroom.
Being former law enforcement, "you need to learn not to get caught" just makes me furious!! It's what the parent's of kid's who break the law said every time.
When I was a kid we sold each other reloaded ammo in the school parking lot before class, there was a 12g shotgun and a 7mm hunting rifle in the back window of my truck which was parked in the school lot for the 4 years of high school I attended there. the same can be said of all my friends in my circle. when did looking up ammo become a crime? i carried a gun catalog and a copy of whitetail magazine to school on the reg it was natural for kids my age. The crime here is overlooking the root causes for these shootings. this kid wasn't born a murderer he was made a murderer. i will bet you your pension, this kid was bullied, he's on psychotropic medications and the school staff ignored all the signs that this kid was about to pop and did nothing to prevent it or this incident.
Parents run and leave the kid in jail. I hope they don´t delay court process so that the shooter kid do not have the only moral support he had to commit his heartless crime. Both father and son are nothing but cowards. It was reported that they traced records of DUI from the parents in Florida. I wonder if they could trace their family ancestry and see if the shooter´s parents were blood related because the kid sure looks like an inbred freak.
Giving a poorly adjusted child a gun is stupid. The parents then doubled down and were non-responsive to the emotion problems the child had. The parents are terrible people to say the least. They were more likely to flee responsibility than face them.
I raised 2 boys and own many firearms. Both of my kids were taught to respect and safely use guns their whole life. At one point my oldest was going through some emotional stuff and was depressed and angry alot due mostly from bullying due to he is autistic. At that time I removed all guns from my house and stored them at my brother's just for added peace of mind. I think that these parents were probably walking on eggshells trying to cope with a child wish mental illness. I've been there, it's a constant struggle of balance of compliance and discipline. But, I believe that giving anyone with depression and mental imbalance a gun ( a pretty nice one too) is negligent as hell and they should hold some responsibility.
@J. Hurt no police were killed there, only on unarmed woman killed by capital police. Also, Investigation has already concluded that there was no conspiracy from the president or anyone involved for that matter. You should get that TDS looked at. Edit= typo
As a gun owner...I know I am 100% responsible for my weapons. If I had anyone in my home even remotely sketchy/suicidal/depressed...I would lock my guns up while they were in my home. I don't understand how, as this kids parents, you are that bad at reading your son to understand that he has issues and probably shouldn't be around firearms. I love having the right to own weapons...but you have to be able to take on that responsibility and understand the dangers involved in being a gun owner.
As a fellow gun owner I understand 100% where you’re coming from. However a lot of parents do have blinders on when it comes to the kids. It’s possible they either never noticed or thought it was normal. I think he said, I think charging his parents with involuntary manslaughter is wrong
My dad is a gun owner his gun is in the safe 24/7 he’s the only person in the home to know the code and the bullets are not in the same safe. Because if someone were to get into it. They could not harm a anyone easily. I mean easily by they won’t have to go get bullets as the cops would hopefully have them in custody. But still I think for a gun owner you HAVE to be 21+ just like drinking. The reason is because hopefully your Brain is more developed
@@kt420ish then why other countries are banning guns and still nobody makes them, for me that s just an excuse and guns aren't the only thing you can defend your self with, plus if everyone doesn't have the right to own a gun you would not be indangerded by someone using a gun that means you won't need it too.
I'm curious, what is it that your "praying" to? One of the "god(s)" I've heard about? Which one? Is your "god" all powerful? I hear some are. Can yours interact with the world? If I watched a child STARVE TO DEATH while I had food would you think I was a monster? (hint: YES) So then wouldn't an all powerful "god" that can interact with our world doing the EXACT same thing on a GLOBAL scale, you know - watching CHILDREN STARVE TO DEATH - wouldn't that make them an even bigger monster? (hint: YES). So confusing, maybe you can explain? As get this, every time I ask these questions I either get more baseless assertions or - even worse - I get attacked personally. No questions to me, just personal attacks. I wonder which you'll do.
@@ross-carlsonDo U serve the invisible God? Seems like u think u seen the all mighty, 😱 in America we have freedom to worship da ROCK if we so choose. 🛑 it
@@ross-carlson its not up to us to decide how God works, God made the world how it is and if someone wants to send their condolences to the deceased its out of respect and sympathy.
@@ross-carlson Ok, I don't believe in any religion but your little rant there is completely unncessary. despite having no religion, I pray for the victims parents as well.
@@ross-carlson Hey Ross, I'm with you when it comes to confronting religious dingbats and do it all the time. While I strongly support the Constitution and it's 1st amendment right to freedom of religion, I also believe it's important to provide counterpoint to such superstitious nonsense. Especially with the understanding that religious belief is relative to belief in ridiculous conspiracy "theories" without evidence, based on "faith", and the effects those beliefs have had on our nation. However, this may not be the topic for engaging in religious debate. Personally, I and it seems you, don't need an imaginary friend for emotional support, but clearly there are some who do and still others who have been intellectually subjugated to figments of imagination as the victims of the psychological child abuse of childhood religious indoctrination. This recent tragedy deserves our thoughts and compassion for the grieving loved ones of these 4 young people. Also, giving thought to how we can work toward stopping such tragedies from happening. I'm a supporter of the 2nd amendment, but within reason and support stiffer background checks and think they should include evaluation of mental health records by the issuing agency, as well as properly funding our nations mental health system, which has been gutted so that corporations and the wealthy can receive tax breaks. This new law of holding the parents responsible is excellent and will hopefully catch on nationally and help deter future shooters by extending the personal consequences beyond the individual, as well as motivation to be more responsible parents. I'm not sure if it would have worked in this case, as the parents seem to be total POS human beings. Life is precious, short and fleeting. Don't take it for granted.
What can a teacher do when she reports a student's misconduct, and Admin either doesn't pull the student or sends the child right back into the class? Teachers need to have more autonomy than they have because they certainly get blamed for what some of their students do. The teacher didn't fail in this situation but may become a scapegoat as I've already seen in at least one comment saying the teacher should have taken the drawing. The teacher REPORTED it! Taking the drawing wouldn't have stopped this tragedy. Reporting it as the teacher did should have stopped it. However, those in power sided with the parents and sent the student back to class. Lay the blame where it should be - it's not the teacher's fault.
When I was in 7th grade I had a severe mental breakdown alongside my friend at the time, we both fed into each other’s negativity bringing the world and ourselves down more and more each time we talked, it never turned into violence against others- but we both attempted suicide at one point. My mom who denied my issues and their mom who ignored theirs played such a huge part in it getting so out of hand. Don’t be a parent if you’re not prepared to deal with the fact that there’s a chance your kid can be mentally ill.
the lack of accountability like this from parents is why this happens ..not saying it was justified but it never fails that the parents typically ignore the signs of a mental illness until they explode like this . it’s sad
What kind of parent says not to get caught? Part of parenting requires holding children accountable to their actions and talking to them and finding the reason for them acting out the way they do. Imagine if these people did their job as parents? Four other precious young lives would still be with us today.
Basically very horrible parents probably encouraged running away, committing crimes, and enabled their child not to take responsibility for their actions.
I can't imagine the frustration that his teacher feels when they did EVERYTHING right to try and stop this... unbelievable. I'm sure the parents went into that school meeting all self righteous about their right to play with guns as a family or something... her text about not getting caught shows the total lack of empathy here. Disgusting.
@@verreal his teacher literally photographed the disturbing letter he wrote and showed it to the heads of the school telling them something was clearly wrong what more could they have realistically done? Really hope you aren’t a teacher with that garbage attitude smh
@@verreal no teacher knew he had the gun on him until the shooting happen. The parents knew they didn't put up the gun called the cops after the shooting already happened to report it missing
If you let teenagers come to your house and drink alcohol and if the police get called you as the adult will go to jail well this is the same thing ...why would parents buy a 15 year old a gun🙄 last I checked you had to atleast be 18 to carry a gun in the state of MI ..so yes the parents need to be charged.
The prosecutor is going to loose this case and look like a fool … can’t be convicted of manslaughter for this … prosecutor should be fired for pursuing this.
I think the DA is doing the right thing. 👏👏👏👏 The parents definitely had a big role in it, and they are most definitely on the run hiding behind a lawyer just like the dirty Laundries.
I’m not surprised these “parents” resisted getting their child help. They are clearly gun nuts, and they raised a monster. They deserve to spend the rest of their lives in prison. Nobody that believes in responsibility and law and order should disagree. Certainly the parents, by taking a runner, agree.
I see a lot of comments mentioning how the teacher should be held responsible, but just as a reminder: it’s not the teacher’s position to pick the punishment of the student. They did everything they could to warn admin, going as far as to take photographs. I definitely think Admin is partly responsible for not taking the teachers warnings more seriously, but being angry at the teacher is misplaced blame
Hmmm the fact the parents suddenly disappeared hours after being told police are looking for them, failed to show up to court and have a lawyer who says they are not on the run yet still haven’t turned themselves in. At this point they are running for the nearest border.
For two people who "aren't on the run," (their lawyer, not me) they have a lot of powerful people (cops, fbi, and marshals, among others) looking for them
The gross negligence was not wanting to get counseling and for not taking him out of class knowing he was going to especially when u text don’t do it, that was a threat that was negligence for ignoring the threat
@@jon9558 for doing her job correctly? The parents were warned. They willingly gave a gun to the child the were warned about and then became surprised he caused harm after SEVERAL warnings. They deserve everything.
UPDATE: The parents have been found and arrested in a basement in Detroit after receiving a 911 call from a businessman who spotted their vehicle in his parking lot and saw a woman who fled on foot. Hope he gets the reward money!! And hope these two don't get any kind of bail cuz you know they'll flee again!!!
Those school officials that let him go back to class should be arrested too. Kid should have been suspended and sent him with the parents THAT morning.
@@Daxum83 I had this conversation today and I don’t think they can do that anymore. It’s stupid. There are kids who get suspended and their parents will still go and drop them off and say “I don’t care you’re going to school” then what are the teachers gonna do? You can’t even physically restrain a kid if they are running out the door(grade school age) without fear of getting fired.
What should have happened is when the parents failed the school should called the police and kept the student contained. Sorry legal matters could have been dealt with later. It would have meant a school official with a back bone. Sorry no excuses all the way around.
Teachers and school officials have a law enforced ‘duty to warn’, I’m stunned that they let him back in a classroom…I’m also stunned that his parents could be so unbelievably pathetic to not only not take him home, not secure the firearm, text him ‘just make sure you don’t get caught’, and now they are on the run, and their very disturbed 15yo is facing life in prison…hmm…wonder why this kid turned out why he did? I hope they throw the book at those parents, and I disagree that its a difficult case to make, at least against the mother (although both parents are both responsible for securing a deadly firearm) but her texts…she’s hung her self by her own petard, as my Dad would say. The school has some serious questions to answer as to why they did not send him home, they could have said, we’re suspending him for a week until we know he’s in counseling, or called 911 to have him taken for a psych eval at a hospital if the parent’s refused to take him, which they did…now they’re on the run…where they live, its about 45 min to Canada, or a real long drive to Mexico…if they have passports, Canada hadn’t heard about it yet…they could be sipping Margaritas in Central America or somewhere that doesn’t extradite. I would not be in the least bit surprised…and they’ll let their son rot (I’m not disputing he should pay for his crimes, but also have a thorough psychological evaluation also) and disregard all of the suffering parents, family and friends, and every student at that school. Disgusting.
Sorry with the liberal teachers in schools they are anti police and they believe that bringing law enforcement into their student's lives would be a sell out to their students that is what's wrong with this country is too many liberal teachers that are anti-police
I don’t think schools have much power these days to be honest.. kids right now are wild and there doesn’t seem to be consequences. A lot parents tell the school that the kids are their problem.
The parents were quick to lawyer up and speak to no one as soon as their murderous child was arrested. It isn't at all surprising that they are now on the lamb.The whole thing stinks.
Uh, well that is about the only thing that makes sense in this - wouldn't you get a lawyer if your son was just ARRESTED FOR MURDER? If not then THAT would be odd - again what they did is HORRIBLE and they should be held accountable to the FULLEST extent of the law but of course you lawyer up when your child is arrested, nothing odd in that at all.
Obviously they'll need a lawyer and most of the time they recommend their clients to stay low and not say too much. But they aren't making themselves look innocent with those texts and such.
The boy was asking, non screaming for help in that note. Heartbreaking. Our youth is lost and there is no one that can reach them in time. The mental health crisis in this country is at a critical level. Sadly no one will do anything about it.
Charging the parents will send a message with all these minors committing crimes and killing people robbing they charge the parents along with their kids hopefully if these kids see their parents could go to jail because of them they will maybe think twice and school officials drop the ball don’t ever think it can’t happen in your community it can prayers for the families 🙏💐
Charging the parents will send a message that parents need to keep their kids in check. Don't be like these stupid parents who bought their child a gun who was already unstable!
I don't understand certain things here. A young person is often banned from clubs because they are under 21 . But they can walk into a gun shop and see how to use one. ridiculous
If you as an adult provider drugs or alcohol to your child and someone dies as result of your child driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol you can and should be charged also. I commend the Prosecuting Attorney of Oakland County for her actions.
Why did the principle, counselor, and teacher let the kid go back to class, without checking his backpack for weapons? they are just as guilty of involuntary manslaughter as the parents!
What do you mean they'll have to prove gross negligence... they bought they're child a gun and saw this sickening note and did nothing this is gross negligence to a T
I’m sorry but don’t the school administrators have a duty to protect the students? I think charges need to be brought against school administrators for allowing him to go back to class instead of suspending and sending him home with the parents. This tragedy should have and could have been prevented
Hopefully by charging the irresponsible parents, this may discourage other parents who give their 'children' guns to play with! R.I.P To all of the people suffering , yet another monstrous school shooting!
When I was in school that Student would have been in the office talking with Police and Parents Police would have asked him if he had a weapon " Police would have searched his desk locker the bathroom and any other area he may have been in . Student would have been arrested If they found any weapons Police would have questioned Parents as to how when and where did he get the weapon or weapons The school administrators did not do their job " They should be fired
Yeah, I'm so confused. We've seen a school resource officer snatch a girl out of a chair after a teacher demanded she be removed for having a cell phone in class. And they're claiming there was nothing they could do about this? Wth?
Most of these school officials are there for a paycheck and the pension plan. The teacher notified the principle about the finding but school office just take it as another day at the office/ATM machine. Wonder if these school official ever goes to church?
Teacher’s not at fault, but whatever school administrator see him back to class after that note should resign. He should have been sent home with parents. And not allowed back to school until AFTER a Mental Health Assessment.. by a mental health professional, concluded he wasn’t a present risk to himself or others. That’s what we do where I live. Every ‘threat’ is assumed active.
@@whatsgoodtv2195 Yes thought same. Had around the clock Laudrie home surveillance but nothing here? Im sure they are in some gun loving prepper compound.
The School threat response plans need investigating as well. How was he not searched in the presence of Police and his parents, not suspended and not allowed to return until he had got the help they said he needed. Condolences to everyone affected and the community.
I don’t think the police were in the meeting with the student, parents and school officials the morning of the shooting. Had they been, this most likely won’t have happened because I can’t imagine that the police wouldn’t have searched his backpack or locker?
"Trying to cover up, after the horse has left the barn!" Is how grandpa referred to this kind of crap! It's being said, that this couple had arrests for DUI. Check fraud, and failure to pay child support in Florida?
Australia has had 0 school shootings since 2013, whereas the United states has had more than 230.... It's sad to think that students have to live in fear of something like a school shooting happen. When they hear a loud bang they assume it's a shooter, whereas Australian kids assume its a bag of chips being popped loudly, this is the difference and its sad. Rest in peace to the 4 children who lost their lives
@@charlesarmstrongii6843 the father literally bought the gun for the kid. They also were called in on the day, knew what their kid was saying, knew he had access to a firearm, but did nothing. Criminal negligence at least.
Well I guess nobody gets it really the idiot of a prosecutor said right from the beginning they are going to move the needle to full on Gun Control!!! 2nd of all the kid can personally put a lawsuit on the Judge in Federal Court and the same with the parents as well for the judge violating their 8th amendment right the most the judge can impose on the parents is 30,000 on each parent in this country we have every right to a bail but nobody brings this up at anytime they just take what the judge says and there is no judge or law that says you have to sign off on your rights and people can also refuse to let the judge enter a plea on their behalf as well people really need to pull their heads out of their asses when it comes to court if there is a fine pertaining to a charge the judge can not go above that fine it’s your 8th amendment right
It's also Criminal that after all that the school let him go back to class. The parents and the school should be held responsible for not stopping this from happening.
This is how numb we have become to school shootings. The parents are now getting more attention than the psychopath that pulled the trigger. But yeah, the "LOL" text from the mom is infuriating.
All of this makes me sick!! You know as a real parent that protects his son and looks out for his safety, everyone of these people failed those victims and you can’t say, they did all they can, because if they did those children would be alive!!!
The parents and school administration should be charged ain't no way that kid should've been allowed back in that classroom. It's sad that kids can't even be kids anymore and feel safe going to school. We as parents have to do better for our kids and their kids future. Rips to the young ones ❤
The problem with school officials and parents was that spoiled kids find ways to get their parents to sue schools or individuals. Because they made them feel sad or took their things away when some kids DO NEED DISCIPLINE so schools I believe fear getting sued or cited. Very sad this is how it is now and forcing to take your kid home could cause trouble so they let him stay.
We've all seen how threatening and radicalized a certain group of parents have become. The school may have been trying to avoid such confrontations. But no doubt, the shooter should have never been allowed to returned to class.
Have you checked out videos on Ethan Crumbley? He had a youtube channel since he was like 10. In those, he seemed pretty nice. Weird how he grows into this guy he is today.
@@EtherealAriel yes that’s why I say kids are spoiled by some parents and then schools cannot enforce rules on them like taking phones up because kids use them inappropriately. Like in Some schools or centers teachers can’t take students things away anymore since parents give phone to kids for safety purposes.
This kid didn't come from a single mother household and just goes to show that single mother's are not the problem the problem is people are not being taught empathy. Parents made excuses for their child instead of teaching him that other people have feelings and feel pain and fear and it's not ok to hurt people.
We need more mental health availability, im so sorry for the people not able to get help and dealing with this, just know you are loved trust me there is someone out there who really cares for you, you just got to wait and be patient, you may feel all this sadness right now but its only temporary, if you win this fight against mental health you will become a powerful person no doubt.
School officials have a degree of fault too! They have all this evidence and turn the kid loose back in school? Would be like a Shepard checking the teeth of a wolf and turning it out into his flock of sheep. Resignations coming I bet!
They had enough information to expel the student with information the teachers had given. Leadership at that school failed to recognize an unstable children in a home that encouraged his thoughts and had fully intention to act on how he feels.
Unfortunately even if they sent him home he might have just shown up the next day. I think when threats or concerns shown on school grounds police or some type of task force needs to make intervention, do a safety assessment above the parent and school authority asap
Selective prosecution.... People who didn't act at the school.. (school officials) should be charged as well.... hells bells... they knew something was terribly wrong and did nothing.... Come on man....
@@brentwalker3300 I find it hard to believe.... but lets wait for the truth to come out... the air is going to be rife with speculation and heresay... Lets see what the truth is...
the administrators and teacher at that school are criminally incompetent. he should not have been allowed back in school after all the warning signs, and warnings.
The gun wasn't even for the dad they bought it for him the shooter... who in their right mind buys a gun for a hormonal, irrational 15 year old, a healthy 15 year old. Doing it for an obviously mentally disturbed one is criminal.
The parents bought the handgun 4 days before the shooting as an early “Christmas “ gift for the killer. They knew the son was unstable. The gun was in the killer’s backpack when the parents insisted the boy remain in school. The “mom” sent a text to her son : “don’t do it”. They knew he had the gun.
Well I guess the typical fatherless, poor child growing up with a single mother in the house don't work on the other side of town. What do they have going on over there??
These parents would rather buy guns for their children rather than invest in some therapy or counseling for them. How insane and disturbing. Teachers who noticed something was wrong with his state of mind and behaviour did the right thing by reporting it. It's unfortunate that 4 people are murdered.
They should have asked, had he brought a gun to school or did he intend to bring a gun to school. They should have also asked, that his school bag and locker be searched.
Unfortunate. It's disgusting
This is why it’s entirely appropriate to charge them too. They practically taught this kid to be a monster.
@Potter Charles *YES! YES! YES!....YES!*
@Potter Charles No, the school should be equipped with those things. Had that been the case here there is a good probability this doesn't happen.
The schools need to be as hardened as prisons. I'm sure companies would love the federal contracts to make this happen.
There was multiple warning signs to stop this. Some people don’t need kids
If you look closely you will see some other red flags about the parents relationship with the kid -- they don't want the kid.
As a high school teacher, I often am worried about the people who were allowed to have children--and I really mean that!
@Suq Madeek AMEN’. Not every baby born will grow up to be a good person
AMEN
@@rrickarr some should not be allowed to breed!
“You have to learn not to get caught”
What in the hell kind of parenting is that?!?!!
Same kind of parenting as the people who shove video games, cell phones and tablets in the face of children so that they won’t be bothered!
Parents giving a deadly weapon as a gift to a minor child is criminal negligence.
@@juliusrelampagos9780 this is why you should teach your children at a young age guns are not toys and are to be respected at all times. Giving a firearm to a minor is not criminal negligence. Letting them have it unsupervised and doing whatever they please with it unsupervised, that is criminal negligence.
@Yael J. Murray Definitely Democrat parenting...just look at everything Hunter Biden has gotten away with!
@Travis Davis you are the one claiming "republican parenting", even though both parents were life long democrats! LOL
I've been sent home from school for showing my midriff but I guess that's way more dangerous than drawing pictures of shooting people after getting caught shopping for ammo.
Me: (googles midriff expecting images of a weapon)
Also me: “Jesus, when did I get this old and clueless”. 🤦♂️
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Nah, these conservatives are just crazy ..
Right 👍🏿
The disturbing images and words should've raised alarms, as in gong's and (1) parents/school administrators agree it's best to take him home / mental facility (2.) If above said adults agreed to keep him at school, resource officer should've been notified and had his backpack checked. What more did this kid have to prove whatever turmoil he held was tormenting him. Did he nee to write the 'Help me' in his own blood? Then have it delivered to both the school and his parents via pigeon carrier to be taken seriously? That would be kinda official, right? All the adults failed him and lives were lost and that community is broken. 😢
You can't say bomb on a plane but you can google ammo at school with a drawing of your intended crime and be allowed to return to class. Sending him home could've saved 4 beautiful lives. Smh.
PRIVILEGE!!!!!!!!! Detroit Public Schools kids get sent home if they are late for class.
the parent didnt wanted to take him home so they would send him out meanwhile the gun is in his backpack he goes back does the same thing.
I agree with you, however, given these parents……he would have done this the next day instead. The parents weren’t intervening to get him help, now it’s all too late.
@@karend.9218 agree!
@fawn fairy u think u funny
The kid literally wrote THE THOUGHTS WONT STOP HELP ME in his drawing and left it where someone could find it. He asked someone to stop him. His parents completely failed. How did they not at least check his backpack and locker to ensure he didn't take his gun?
What kind of people buy guns for children.
@@sherylF5610 probably parents that wants to ruin their kids
@@sherylF5610 African military people?
@@ophiolatreia93 what "african military people" this is such a nasty generalisation that leads me to believe you know nothing about Africa.
@@xq3263 it seems that some parents aim to be a friend to their child rather than parent them.
I'm a Gun owner, but with all that evidence that they were making a monster. THEY NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. PEOPLE LOST THEIR CHILDREN...SAD
Here here , I support the 2nd amendment but fools, the incompetent, and mentally disturbed people don’t deserve that the right.
No wonder people don’t want to be teachers. They legit did everything they could have and still are getting talked bad about. Sad
I think the bad talk is directed at the school administration instead of the teacher.
The school administration should have sent him home.
I think school authority could of taken all precautions and pay more attention to the picture and drawing. I am very proud of that teacher who brought it to the light. But school board did nothing to prevent it. They could of suspended kid from school. But they did not. I have seen at schools art picture of human faces. Half of the face normal and the other is like a zombie. What ever kids were amagenning in there heads and it is just art all over school walls. We should not allow evel picture like skeletons, blood, torture in kids teaching and education. And pay attention to the warnings ⚠️
I don't think anyone is placing blame with the teachers. Quite the opposite. It's the administration at the school that dropped the ball (after the parents, of course).
it’s not the teacher, it’s the brain dead phonies who run the school that sent him back to class. if anything people should sympathize with the teacher, but sadly people will just take a 5 second look and blame everyone
I couldn't even imagine how that teacher feels because she tried to notify them on 2 occasions. My heart goes out to those grieving and full of unanswered questions.
She should have notified the police..
@@AC-ly6tg In hindsight yes, but she probably had faith in her superiors to take action. I would have been terrified when he walked back into the classroom.
The TEACHER should have called the POLICE.
The teacher should of notified the police she is just as guilty and should go to prison.
@@jenvalencia4390 this is in no way that teachers fault.
Being former law enforcement, "you need to learn not to get caught" just makes me furious!! It's what the parent's of kid's who break the law said every time.
I think he probably told his parents to show his gun to students
When I was a kid we sold each other reloaded ammo in the school parking lot before class, there was a 12g shotgun and a 7mm hunting rifle in the back window of my truck which was parked in the school lot for the 4 years of high school I attended there. the same can be said of all my friends in my circle. when did looking up ammo become a crime? i carried a gun catalog and a copy of whitetail magazine to school on the reg it was natural for kids my age. The crime here is overlooking the root causes for these shootings. this kid wasn't born a murderer he was made a murderer. i will bet you your pension, this kid was bullied, he's on psychotropic medications and the school staff ignored all the signs that this kid was about to pop and did nothing to prevent it or this incident.
Parents run and leave the kid in jail. I hope they don´t delay court process so that the shooter kid do not have the only moral support he had to commit his heartless crime. Both father and son are nothing but cowards. It was reported that they traced records of DUI from the parents in Florida. I wonder if they could trace their family ancestry and see if the shooter´s parents were blood related because the kid sure looks like an inbred freak.
@@UrbCrafter what was the school supposed to do?
They are Trump terrorists, that simple.
Giving a poorly adjusted child a gun is stupid. The parents then doubled down and were non-responsive to the emotion problems the child had. The parents are terrible people to say the least. They were more likely to flee responsibility than face them.
Exactly! They tried to run away from consequences. Irresponsible parents are partially why the world is so bad
I raised 2 boys and own many firearms. Both of my kids were taught to respect and safely use guns their whole life. At one point my oldest was going through some emotional stuff and was depressed and angry alot due mostly from bullying due to he is autistic. At that time I removed all guns from my house and stored them at my brother's just for added peace of mind.
I think that these parents were probably walking on eggshells trying to cope with a child wish mental illness. I've been there, it's a constant struggle of balance of compliance and discipline. But, I believe that giving anyone with depression and mental imbalance a gun ( a pretty nice one too) is negligent as hell and they should hold some responsibility.
There were also reasons for the school to believe that he had issues and should have been suspended and reported to law enforcement.
@J. Hurt no police were killed there, only on unarmed woman killed by capital police. Also, Investigation has already concluded that there was no conspiracy from the president or anyone involved for that matter.
You should get that TDS looked at.
Edit= typo
@@jimeagle1155 I don’t believe they were walking on eggshells
As a gun owner...I know I am 100% responsible for my weapons. If I had anyone in my home even remotely sketchy/suicidal/depressed...I would lock my guns up while they were in my home. I don't understand how, as this kids parents, you are that bad at reading your son to understand that he has issues and probably shouldn't be around firearms. I love having the right to own weapons...but you have to be able to take on that responsibility and understand the dangers involved in being a gun owner.
As a fellow gun owner I understand 100% where you’re coming from. However a lot of parents do have blinders on when it comes to the kids. It’s possible they either never noticed or thought it was normal. I think he said, I think charging his parents with involuntary manslaughter is wrong
My dad is a gun owner his gun is in the safe 24/7 he’s the only person in the home to know the code and the bullets are not in the same safe. Because if someone were to get into it. They could not harm a anyone easily. I mean easily by they won’t have to go get bullets as the cops would hopefully have them in custody. But still I think for a gun owner you HAVE to be 21+ just like drinking. The reason is because hopefully your Brain is more developed
Guns are evil and should be banned
Kidding
@@ophiolatreia93 not gonna lie you had me going for a second
@@kt420ish then why other countries are banning guns and still nobody makes them, for me that s just an excuse and guns aren't the only thing you can defend your self with, plus if everyone doesn't have the right to own a gun you would not be indangerded by someone using a gun that means you won't need it too.
As a father of 2 children I can only imagine the amount of hurt the parents of the victims must feel. My prayers go out to the families
I'm curious, what is it that your "praying" to? One of the "god(s)" I've heard about? Which one? Is your "god" all powerful? I hear some are. Can yours interact with the world? If I watched a child STARVE TO DEATH while I had food would you think I was a monster? (hint: YES) So then wouldn't an all powerful "god" that can interact with our world doing the EXACT same thing on a GLOBAL scale, you know - watching CHILDREN STARVE TO DEATH - wouldn't that make them an even bigger monster? (hint: YES).
So confusing, maybe you can explain? As get this, every time I ask these questions I either get more baseless assertions or - even worse - I get attacked personally. No questions to me, just personal attacks. I wonder which you'll do.
@@ross-carlsonDo U serve the invisible God? Seems like u think u seen the all mighty, 😱 in America we have freedom to worship da ROCK if we so choose. 🛑 it
@@ross-carlson its not up to us to decide how God works, God made the world how it is and if someone wants to send their condolences to the deceased its out of respect and sympathy.
@@ross-carlson Ok, I don't believe in any religion but your little rant there is completely unncessary. despite having no religion, I pray for the victims parents as well.
@@ross-carlson
Hey Ross, I'm with you when it comes to confronting religious dingbats and do it all the time.
While I strongly support the Constitution and it's 1st amendment right to freedom of religion, I also believe it's important to provide counterpoint to such superstitious nonsense.
Especially with the understanding that religious belief is relative to belief in ridiculous conspiracy "theories" without evidence, based on "faith", and the effects those beliefs have had on our nation.
However, this may not be the topic for engaging in religious debate.
Personally, I and it seems you, don't need an imaginary friend for emotional support, but clearly there are some who do and still others who have been intellectually subjugated to figments of imagination as the victims of the psychological child abuse of childhood religious indoctrination.
This recent tragedy deserves our thoughts and compassion for the grieving loved ones of these 4 young people.
Also, giving thought to how we can work toward stopping such tragedies from happening.
I'm a supporter of the 2nd amendment, but within reason and support stiffer background checks and think they should include evaluation of mental health records by the issuing agency, as well as properly funding our nations mental health system, which has been gutted so that corporations and the wealthy can receive tax breaks.
This new law of holding the parents responsible is excellent and will hopefully catch on nationally and help deter future shooters by extending the personal consequences beyond the individual, as well as motivation to be more responsible parents.
I'm not sure if it would have worked in this case, as the parents seem to be total POS human beings.
Life is precious, short and fleeting.
Don't take it for granted.
What can a teacher do when she reports a student's misconduct, and Admin either doesn't pull the student or sends the child right back into the class? Teachers need to have more autonomy than they have because they certainly get blamed for what some of their students do. The teacher didn't fail in this situation but may become a scapegoat as I've already seen in at least one comment saying the teacher should have taken the drawing. The teacher REPORTED it! Taking the drawing wouldn't have stopped this tragedy. Reporting it as the teacher did should have stopped it. However, those in power sided with the parents and sent the student back to class. Lay the blame where it should be - it's not the teacher's fault.
When I was in 7th grade I had a severe mental breakdown alongside my friend at the time, we both fed into each other’s negativity bringing the world and ourselves down more and more each time we talked, it never turned into violence against others- but we both attempted suicide at one point. My mom who denied my issues and their mom who ignored theirs played such a huge part in it getting so out of hand. Don’t be a parent if you’re not prepared to deal with the fact that there’s a chance your kid can be mentally ill.
I hope you are fine now
I hope you and your friend are doing well
the lack of accountability like this from parents is why this happens ..not saying it was justified but it never fails that the parents typically ignore the signs of a mental illness until they explode like this . it’s sad
Wow hope you are better now. By your words it sounds like you are very mature and probably more in tune then both or your parents put together.
What you and your friend had was called a Folie à deux... Glad you're doing better
This is what happen when parents don’t hold any accountable for their children and expect other to be responsible for their kids. 100% on the parents.
What kind of parent says not to get caught? Part of parenting requires holding children accountable to their actions and talking to them and finding the reason for them acting out the way they do. Imagine if these people did their job as parents? Four other precious young lives would still be with us today.
Amen!
You would be surprised how many parents do this, especially bigots and racists. They pat their kids on the back and laugh with them.
Very bad parents and unfortunately the child’s life will be over now and so will theirs
Bad parents. People who shouldn't be parents!
Basically very horrible parents probably encouraged running away, committing crimes, and enabled their child not to take responsibility for their actions.
I can't imagine the frustration that his teacher feels when they did EVERYTHING right to try and stop this... unbelievable.
I'm sure the parents went into that school meeting all self righteous about their right to play with guns as a family or something... her text about not getting caught shows the total lack of empathy here. Disgusting.
@@verreal his teacher literally photographed the disturbing letter he wrote and showed it to the heads of the school telling them something was clearly wrong what more could they have realistically done? Really hope you aren’t a teacher with that garbage attitude smh
Had she simply had a administrator search him, the shooting wouldn't have happened. She's as guilty as the parents.
@@verreal no teacher knew he had the gun on him until the shooting happen. The parents knew they didn't put up the gun called the cops after the shooting already happened to report it missing
Everything huh?
Except for calling the cops.
@@ejtprod.9837 shoulda contacted the cops.
If he was non white, yes.
But he was white, so no.
If you let teenagers come to your house and drink alcohol and if the police get called you as the adult will go to jail well this is the same thing ...why would parents buy a 15 year old a gun🙄 last I checked you had to atleast be 18 to carry a gun in the state of MI ..so yes the parents need to be charged.
But can hunt at the age of 12. The adult is responsible for they're actions till 16 than they on there own.
The parents look diabolical. I’m wondering if they instigated the kid /set him up to do this. The whole family seems sick.
I mean….they did buy him the gun…..it was his “present” for the bullies I’m sure..
That's absurd.
@UCcfhPZqJ9o2Sn9DX3y9t4qw lol...You're crazy
The prosecutor is going to loose this case and look like a fool … can’t be convicted of manslaughter for this … prosecutor should be fired for pursuing this.
@@CorryGal You sound like a broken record...
I think the DA is doing the right thing. 👏👏👏👏
The parents definitely had a big role in it, and they are most definitely on the run hiding behind a lawyer just like the dirty Laundries.
I’m not surprised these “parents” resisted getting their child help. They are clearly gun nuts, and they raised a monster. They deserve to spend the rest of their lives in prison. Nobody that believes in responsibility and law and order should disagree. Certainly the parents, by taking a runner, agree.
Gun nuts? Lmfao
@@jc-xo8yd Nuts in every sense of the word.
@@Jman926 they bought 1 gun
@@jc-xo8yd 4 lives lost but yeah lets focus on oNe gUn
@@Freestyle80 nah this person is trying to pin these parents as "gun nuts" instead of just nuts
I bet the principle, counselor and teacher feel horrible. The parents don't, I'm sure.
That "counselor" is a freakin' bonehead.
@@CorryGal really hope you are being sarcastic.
@@drakecarter1780 they are patriots 😂
The school ain't no better. They never checked his backpack 🎒.
@@drakecarter1780 I'm dead serious. not sarcastic. Erhan's parents are good people.
I see a lot of comments mentioning how the teacher should be held responsible, but just as a reminder: it’s not the teacher’s position to pick the punishment of the student. They did everything they could to warn admin, going as far as to take photographs. I definitely think Admin is partly responsible for not taking the teachers warnings more seriously, but being angry at the teacher is misplaced blame
Why would they buy a teenager a gun these parents have disturbing behavior I bet they are rethinking their actions now
That kid never had a chance with that fine set of parents!!!
Ethan Crumbley's parents are proud American patriots. Please support them.
@@CorryGal Nah not really.
@@astrayboy8409 Shame on you for not supporting Ethan's parents in their hour of need. Obviously you are not a proud American patriot like me.
@@CorryGal Nah not really.
Exactly! Except his parents aren’t fine they were irresponsible
Shame on the school administration!! The teacher literally did everything in her power to stop this and they wouldn’t listen!!!
Hmmm the fact the parents suddenly disappeared hours after being told police are looking for them, failed to show up to court and have a lawyer who says they are not on the run yet still haven’t turned themselves in. At this point they are running for the nearest border.
Ethan Crumbley's parents are armed and looking for you.
@@sadieferal1808 Well that didn’t age well😂
It's almost like they groomed him for this.
Wounding and killing so many, yes he was well trained.
For two people who "aren't on the run," (their lawyer, not me) they have a lot of powerful people (cops, fbi, and marshals, among others) looking for them
😂😂 exactly.
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Next thing you know they'll be sending bounty hunters
The gross negligence was not wanting to get counseling and for not taking him out of class knowing he was going to especially when u text don’t do it, that was a threat that was negligence for ignoring the threat
Charges will be dropped … prosecutor should loose her job for
This
@@jon9558 for doing her job correctly? The parents were warned. They willingly gave a gun to the child the were warned about and then became surprised he caused harm after SEVERAL warnings. They deserve everything.
UPDATE: The parents have been found and arrested in a basement in Detroit after receiving a 911 call from a businessman who spotted their vehicle in his parking lot and saw a woman who fled on foot. Hope he gets the reward money!! And hope these two don't get any kind of bail cuz you know they'll flee again!!!
Yup, they most likely WILL be held without bail because they've already shown they're a flight risk! They're SCREWED.
Those school officials that let him go back to class should be arrested too. Kid should have been suspended and sent him with the parents THAT morning.
parents didn't want to take him home.
@@franciscosalgado8157 the school can MAKE the parent take them. That is what they are put there to oversee.
@@Daxum83 I had this conversation today and I don’t think they can do that anymore. It’s stupid. There are kids who get suspended and their parents will still go and drop them off and say “I don’t care you’re going to school” then what are the teachers gonna do? You can’t even physically restrain a kid if they are running out the door(grade school age) without fear of getting fired.
@@franciscosalgado8157 that literally happens all the time
@@kylesalmon31 literally none of what you said is real.
What should have happened is when the parents failed the school should called the police and kept the student contained. Sorry legal matters could have been dealt with later. It would have meant a school official with a back bone. Sorry no excuses all the way around.
The "parents" and school employee NEED to go to jail.
Agree 💯
Teachers and school officials have a law enforced ‘duty to warn’, I’m stunned that they let him back in a classroom…I’m also stunned that his parents could be so unbelievably pathetic to not only not take him home, not secure the firearm, text him ‘just make sure you don’t get caught’, and now they are on the run, and their very disturbed 15yo is facing life in prison…hmm…wonder why this kid turned out why he did? I hope they throw the book at those parents, and I disagree that its a difficult case to make, at least against the mother (although both parents are both responsible for securing a deadly firearm) but her texts…she’s hung her self by her own petard, as my Dad would say. The school has some serious questions to answer as to why they did not send him home, they could have said, we’re suspending him for a week until we know he’s in counseling, or called 911 to have him taken for a psych eval at a hospital if the parent’s refused to take him, which they did…now they’re on the run…where they live, its about 45 min to Canada, or a real long drive to Mexico…if they have passports, Canada hadn’t heard about it yet…they could be sipping Margaritas in Central America or somewhere that doesn’t extradite. I would not be in the least bit surprised…and they’ll let their son rot (I’m not disputing he should pay for his crimes, but also have a thorough psychological evaluation also) and disregard all of the suffering parents, family and friends, and every student at that school. Disgusting.
Sorry with the liberal teachers in schools they are anti police and they believe that bringing law enforcement into their student's lives would be a sell out to their students that is what's wrong with this country is too many liberal teachers that are anti-police
I don’t think schools have much power these days to be honest.. kids right now are wild and there doesn’t seem to be consequences. A lot parents tell the school that the kids are their problem.
The parents were quick to lawyer up and speak to no one as soon as their murderous child was arrested. It isn't at all surprising that they are now on the lamb.The whole thing stinks.
Uh, well that is about the only thing that makes sense in this - wouldn't you get a lawyer if your son was just ARRESTED FOR MURDER? If not then THAT would be odd - again what they did is HORRIBLE and they should be held accountable to the FULLEST extent of the law but of course you lawyer up when your child is arrested, nothing odd in that at all.
Obviously they'll need a lawyer and most of the time they recommend their clients to stay low and not say too much. But they aren't making themselves look innocent with those texts and such.
@@ross-carlson exactly
I see they went on the run. How was the man not shot after killing 3 and shooting 8 people?
@@johnallen695 he was 15
The boy was asking, non screaming for help in that note. Heartbreaking. Our youth is lost and there is no one that can reach them in time. The mental health crisis in this country is at a critical level. Sadly no one will do anything about it.
Charging the parents will send a message with all these minors committing crimes and killing people robbing they charge the parents along with their kids hopefully if these kids see their parents could go to jail because of them they will maybe think twice and school officials drop the ball don’t ever think it can’t happen in your community it can prayers for the families 🙏💐
Maybe but then again if the children don't care much for their parents then they are not necessarily going to care what happens to them
Charging the parents will send a message that parents need to keep their kids in check. Don't be like these stupid parents who bought their child a gun who was already unstable!
Life in prison for both parents.
Why could his property not be searched for a gun either by school officials or police, especially considering all the previous incidents.
I don't understand certain things here. A young person is often banned from clubs because they are under 21
. But they can walk into a gun shop and see how to use one. ridiculous
If you as an adult provider drugs or alcohol to your child and someone dies as result of your child driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol you can and should be charged also. I commend the Prosecuting Attorney of Oakland County for her actions.
those four kids, rest in piece. i just cant put in words what the family is going through, 😰🙏🏻
It's rest in peace. Have a good day!
The school has to take some responsibility also. In my opinion. They are absolutely negligent in this also.
What a fine pair of parents !!
Nooooo!! 👿😈
How is this any different from a person who leaves a time bomb? If they are not prosecuted for THIS, please everyone shut up about equal justice. 😤
Why did the principle, counselor, and teacher let the kid go back to class, without checking his backpack for weapons? they are just as guilty of involuntary manslaughter as the parents!
@@ronswanson485 you're right; everyone need to be rolled up for this one.
What do you mean they'll have to prove gross negligence... they bought they're child a gun and saw this sickening note and did nothing this is gross negligence to a T
I’m sorry but don’t the school administrators have a duty to protect the students? I think charges need to be brought against school administrators for allowing him to go back to class instead of suspending and sending him home with the parents. This tragedy should have and could have been prevented
Hopefully by charging the irresponsible parents, this may discourage other parents who give their 'children' guns to play with! R.I.P To all of the people suffering , yet another monstrous school shooting!
About time we started holding the parents of those kids accountable. Bad parents produce bad kids. Time to end it.
I've just realized there's an outstanding Karen to be remembered.
good one Chad
You just got +25 credit score 👍
What's funny is, every Karen I've ever met in real life has been awesome. Truly.
Everyone messed up. From beginning to end
Damn this kid is struggling so much inside….and his parents not getting him help cost the lives of 4 beautiful, young, amazing people.
When I was in school that Student
would have been in the office
talking with Police and Parents
Police would have asked him if he
had a weapon " Police would have
searched his desk locker the
bathroom and any other area he
may have been in .
Student would have been arrested
If they found any weapons Police
would have questioned Parents as
to how when and where did he get
the weapon or weapons
The school administrators did not
do their job " They should be fired
Yes absolutely
Avoidable tragedy on many levels. Many people should be held liable.
Yeah, I'm so confused. We've seen a school resource officer snatch a girl out of a chair after a teacher demanded she be removed for having a cell phone in class. And they're claiming there was nothing they could do about this? Wth?
Most of these school officials are there for a paycheck and the pension plan. The teacher notified the principle about the finding but school office just take it as another day at the office/ATM machine. Wonder if these school official ever goes to church?
And their son is alone in jail, worse parenting. You'll think they will stay with his son no matter what but look at these people
It's looking more and more like the idiot parents NEVER cared about that kid.
Teacher’s not at fault, but whatever school administrator see him back to class after that note should resign. He should have been sent home with parents. And not allowed back to school until AFTER a Mental Health Assessment.. by a mental health professional, concluded he wasn’t a present risk to himself or others. That’s what we do where I live. Every ‘threat’ is assumed active.
They didn't know he had a gun. Well, I retrospect , they should have sent him back
- My kid shows suicidal tendencies
- omg what did you do?
- We bought him a gun
They did supply a gun, unlawfully I might add, that was used in a mass shooting. Of course they're being charged.
Doesn’t this seem familiar with Brian L parents
Yeah but he didn’t shoot up a school
@@fenderstratADHD the facts the police not following them 🤦🏽♀️
@@whatsgoodtv2195 Yes thought same. Had around the clock Laudrie home surveillance but nothing here? Im sure they are in some gun loving prepper compound.
The School threat response plans need investigating as well. How was he not searched in the presence of Police and his parents, not suspended and not allowed to return until he had got the help they said he needed. Condolences to everyone affected and the community.
Broken system, needs to be fix asap.
I don’t think the police were in the meeting with the student, parents and school officials the morning of the shooting. Had they been, this most likely won’t have happened because I can’t imagine that the police wouldn’t have searched his backpack or locker?
Who buys their 15yr old son a gun for Christmas?????? This is so disturbing and sad to say the least.
"Trying to cover up, after the horse has left the barn!" Is how grandpa referred to this kind of crap!
It's being said, that this couple had arrests for DUI. Check fraud, and failure to pay child support in Florida?
Florida man strikes again
Your absolutely right !!!Sorry for the parents who babies have been murder.😢💔
Australia has had 0 school shootings since 2013, whereas the United states has had more than 230.... It's sad to think that students have to live in fear of something like a school shooting happen. When they hear a loud bang they assume it's a shooter, whereas Australian kids assume its a bag of chips being popped loudly, this is the difference and its sad. Rest in peace to the 4 children who lost their lives
Just read that they're in custody. Good to hear.
They had nothing to do with the shooting pull your head out of your ass
@@charlesarmstrongii6843 the father literally bought the gun for the kid. They also were called in on the day, knew what their kid was saying, knew he had access to a firearm, but did nothing. Criminal negligence at least.
Well I guess nobody gets it really the idiot of a prosecutor said right from the beginning they are going to move the needle to full on Gun Control!!! 2nd of all the kid can personally put a lawsuit on the Judge in Federal Court and the same with the parents as well for the judge violating their 8th amendment right the most the judge can impose on the parents is 30,000 on each parent in this country we have every right to a bail but nobody brings this up at anytime they just take what the judge says and there is no judge or law that says you have to sign off on your rights and people can also refuse to let the judge enter a plea on their behalf as well people really need to pull their heads out of their asses when it comes to court if there is a fine pertaining to a charge the judge can not go above that fine it’s your 8th amendment right
What type of parent gives a gun to a 15 year old child? SMH
It's also Criminal that after all that the school let him go back to class.
The parents and the school should be held responsible for not stopping this from happening.
Exactly!!! The teacher should have called the police
This is how numb we have become to school shootings. The parents are now getting more attention than the psychopath that pulled the trigger. But yeah, the "LOL" text from the mom is infuriating.
The teacher did every thing right. This is so sad 😔
sorry new law if u raise a little columbine child ur liable for their actions and they are NOT allowed in a public school system
Charges are going to get dropped … prosecutor should loose her job
@@jon9558
@@ct6502-c7w don’t own a gun and I live in Canada….man slaughter charges won’t stick tho , at best improper storage of a gun.
I rather be sued then have innocent kids die on my watch. oh boy should've went home period!!
All of this makes me sick!! You know as a real parent that protects his son and looks out for his safety, everyone of these people failed those victims and you can’t say, they did all they can, because if they did those children would be alive!!!
The school should be held accountable as well.
Nah
If the parents feared for their own safety, they should have gone to their local law enforcement office.
The kid , doomed from the get go, what type of parents leave a son behind when the going gets tough.
The parents and school administration should be charged ain't no way that kid should've been allowed back in that classroom. It's sad that kids can't even be kids anymore and feel safe going to school. We as parents have to do better for our kids and their kids future. Rips to the young ones ❤
The problem with school officials and parents was that spoiled kids find ways to get their parents to sue schools or individuals. Because they made them feel sad or took their things away when some kids DO NEED DISCIPLINE so schools I believe fear getting sued or cited. Very sad this is how it is now and forcing to take your kid home could cause trouble so they let him stay.
We've all seen how threatening and radicalized a certain group of parents have become. The school may have been trying to avoid such confrontations. But no doubt, the shooter should have never been allowed to returned to class.
Have you checked out videos on Ethan Crumbley? He had a youtube channel since he was like 10. In those, he seemed pretty nice. Weird how he grows into this guy he is today.
It's not the schools job at all to discipline any child.
Parents often tend to blame and sue the schools as they fail to parent appropriately. SMH
@@EtherealAriel yes that’s why I say kids are spoiled by some parents and then schools cannot enforce rules on them like taking phones up because kids use them inappropriately. Like in Some schools or centers teachers can’t take students things away anymore since parents give phone to kids for safety purposes.
Finally the parents are blamed! It's always "Gun bad! Kid Bad! Left Bad!, Right Bad!, Ban Guns!"
What about the school officials that let him go back to class when they knew there was a real problem .
If you dont wanna put in the time to be a parent..
DONT 👏 HAVE 👏 KIDS!!!👏
School district dropped the ball also. Should have called the police much earlier. Way before the shooting. SMH
Yes or at least bring security to school just in case
Imagine having to go back to that school…
No teenager needs to have a pistol.
The counselor should be charged also?
The “parents”, just desert their son and run /hide, like children!
Yes, they share responsibility!
This kid didn't come from a single mother household and just goes to show that single mother's are not the problem the problem is people are not being taught empathy.
Parents made excuses for their child instead of teaching him that other people have feelings and feel pain and fear and it's not ok to hurt people.
Prayers for the family of the victims!! 🙏
what an unbelievable tragedy....man.
We need more mental health availability, im so sorry for the people not able to get help and dealing with this, just know you are loved trust me there is someone out there who really cares for you, you just got to wait and be patient, you may feel all this sadness right now but its only temporary, if you win this fight against mental health you will become a powerful person no doubt.
My Prayers go out to the families that lost there child or were hurt by this hanious crime.
You can tell the father values human life very little. Like they're telling him his son just ran over somebody's dog.
School officials have a degree of fault too! They have all this evidence and turn the kid loose back in school? Would be like a Shepard checking the teeth of a wolf and turning it out into his flock of sheep.
Resignations coming I bet!
Why does the kid look so much like Nikolas Cruz?
So the boy gets arrested and the parents just say, "Screw it! I'm getting the hell out of here."
They had enough information to expel the student with information the teachers had given. Leadership at that school failed to recognize an unstable children in a home that encouraged his thoughts and had fully intention to act on how he feels.
Unfortunately even if they sent him home he might have just shown up the next day. I think when threats or concerns shown on school grounds police or some type of task force needs to make intervention, do a safety assessment above the parent and school authority asap
Why was he allowed to go back to class I’m baffled why at least they didn’t search him and his backpack I’m so sad and so mad
Like be suspended... or can't come back to school unless he has a certain amount of counseling
This is such a heartbreaking tragedy..i pray for all involved..this has been felt by the nation..
Selective prosecution.... People who didn't act at the school.. (school officials) should be charged as well.... hells bells... they knew something was terribly wrong and did nothing.... Come on man....
I heard that some students stayed home that day out of fear for what might happen.
@@brentwalker3300 I find it hard to believe.... but lets wait for the truth to come out... the air is going to be rife with speculation and heresay... Lets see what the truth is...
the administrators and teacher at that school are criminally incompetent. he should not have been allowed back in school after all the warning signs, and warnings.
Not the teacher, she took a picture and passed it up. School officials yes should be charged
@@allenbennett5671 shes the only one who tried. everyone else in that school failed.
They imo don't need a job in that field anymore..
The administration, not the teacher. The teacher did what she was supposed to.
The gun wasn't even for the dad they bought it for him the shooter... who in their right mind buys a gun for a hormonal, irrational 15 year old, a healthy 15 year old. Doing it for an obviously mentally disturbed one is criminal.
Parents not being parents nothing more than kids having kids , never grow up .totally dysfunctional?
The parents bought the handgun 4 days before the shooting as an early “Christmas “ gift for the killer. They knew the son was unstable. The gun was in the killer’s backpack when the parents insisted the boy remain in school. The “mom” sent a text to her son : “don’t do it”. They knew he had the gun.
i swear when i was in kindergarten there was a kid in middle school that looked EXACTLY like the SUSpect
Well I guess the typical fatherless, poor child growing up with a single mother in the house don't work on the other side of town. What do they have going on over there??