I'm so glad to see that you actually put up some of the problems you were having. A lot of the sites I see make it seem like it's a wonderful system with no problems. So it's nice to see a site that actually shows you what the issues are.
Thank you so much for this video. I haven’t found many vids of people using Multiboard in a “shop” which was concerning me, then I found your video confirming my concerns. Since I dabble in woodworking, it’s back to plan A of french cleat mounts. I’ll probably try gridfinity for drawers, but multiboard seems good for small “maker” stuff, but not full size tool walls like this vid and what I want. Yes, making French cleat holders for each tool is time consuming, but far more confident than multiboard ripping down.
No doubt. I've spent about 3 or 4 weeks of non-stop 3D printing, organizing tool box drawers, using Zack Freedman's "Gridfinity" system. I've custom designed most of the boxes for the application. Gravity keeps things aligned well, as 3d prints are great at with withstanding compression. Tension however, especially perpendicular to layer lines...not so much. I can't imagine thinking printing a wall hang system where serious tools (not that he owns many) could be supported by any similar plastic grid. The ties connecting each grid also gives this whole thing a messy look that your french cleat system easily outpaces.
Great vid. Thank you for saving me from this dark rabbit hole. I was starting to look at this system last week for a utility wall. I thought it seemed confusing as hell but chalked it up to my ADD and planned to revisit. Back to my Skadis plan.
I went with the skadis pegboard from Ikea. It's stupid simple to mount and hold a decent amount of weight. Accessories are pretty pricey so that's where 3D printing can save a few bucks. Some models are good some have less desirable geometry for strength so take your time finding the best options for your needs. I have been thoroughly surprised by Gridfinity however. The addon for Fusion really makes it streamlined for self made designs when models aren't readily available or aren't to your preferences.
your videos are improving drastically with every new upload. Go, go, go! Keep going dude I don't even 3d print anymore but hell I love your charismatic personality and what you create. Bound for a blowup in no-time ❤❤❤ cheers from ny
I'm happy with my multi-board deployments. It's certainly not perfect (particularly the documentation like you said) but I think you made a few mistakes. 1. You should have gone with smaller tiles and more connectors. 8x8 is probably as big as you should have gone. My inside wall is using 8x8 tiles however I put staggered connectors every 4 (staggered so that they aren't all lined up in perfect rows/columns). Not only does it look cool, it makes things are more sturdy. If I had committed to 4x4, 5x5, or 6x6 in the beginning I would have also saved myself a lot of grief getting the tiles to stick to my build plate. 2. You should also have used way more screws mounting the connectors to the walls. I have at least one screw in nearly every connector. That will eliminate the flex problem. 3. You probably should have done the offset mount to give you more room in the back for bolting in the connectors. The press fit stuff just isn't sturdy enough by itself for the heavier equipment. It IS a lot of work and a lot of printing, but it looks super cool when it's done. I also prefer the way it looks when it's busy with connectors over massive empty tiles.
I think this system works best mounted to an intermediary plywood board. That way you can use wood screws which are way stronger than drywall anchors. Also, you went really big with your grid size, I think if you go that big, you need to add more fasteners/mounts than just on the corners and seams for extra rigidity.
I bought a few panels of both Omniwall and Wall control to investigate selling custom mounts on my Etsy, and Omniwall is the clear winner IMO. Their system for mounting the panels to the wall is very good, and the clips that secure their attachments are a killer feature. The panels themselves aren't that much more expensive, they gouge you on the attachments, but they do have much better attachments than anyone else. There's not nearly as many 3d printed mounts available, but the slots allow you to make mounts that are very strong, I made a 100% printed shelf (other than two 15mm M6 screws) in under 100g that could hold a 30lb kettlebell
I've also been a huge fan and supporter of Multiboard since fairly early after its initial release. I agree with your comments that the documentation and part linking is still not complete. It HAS gotten better that it was, but even the creator admits the team has a way to go to get where it should be. I think they focused too much on new parts and not enough on documenting the parts and showing use cases. At the very least, finish documenting the existing parts before releasing new ones. The design is solid and the functionality is great once you figure out what parts you need to accomplish your goal. Too bad it can be so iterative, and sometimes wasteful, to get there.
Thank you so much for supporting Multiboard! I truly appreciate your feedback and as you know I understand where you're coming from. I just want to clarify that I'm not necessarily focusing on creating new parts all the time. It just happens to be that while the website is being redesigned, there are occasional moments for new parts to be worked on, but the primary focus is improving organization, documentation, and usability for everyone. Currently, all parts have had a description update, but there’s still so much more to come. I’m also working on creating videos for every single design there are 235+ in total to make it easier to understand and implement every aspect of the system. Again I completely understand the frustration while were still in these sort of Beta phase and thanks so much for your support, It really means the world and it's what's making the ambitious future of Multiboard a possibility. I'm sure one things start to get updates in the new year they will make a big difference for everyone. Thanks for sticking with me! 😊
That chaos of parts also held me back on using the Multiboard over the HSW. Still frustrating, but I am really satisfied with mine. I used the 2-part standoffs with the spacing behind in my garage and have a lot of big socket wrenches and also battery powered ones, all the accessories that go with them etc. hanging on there just fine.
What MultiBoard needs is a standalone app. It should let you go from prototyping to exporting/printing. That way things like knowing what else you need for a particular print is all on the same page. At least a drop down that list additional parts that are commonly used with that particular setup. Would make it much easier to have everything at your disposal all in one place. Since this is something that is a business for him, I think it would make a more compelling way for those wanting more from their use cases for MultiBoard. Plus adding new parts or updating existing ones is seamless with a news hub built right in. Just no ads PLEASE!
@6:00 When i upgraded my bed on my main printer i specifically got a larger bed than i needed by about 15mm in each direction. The edges like you implied will always run cooler and give you lower bed temps/bad adhesion because of that. I've printed massive ABS prints with no brim like a crazy person in a passively heated enclosed chamber with very little or no lifting. I also added g-code in the filament profiles for ABS/ASA/PC to let the chamber heat soak for 5 and 10 minutes after the bed reaches temp before the print starts. 10 minutes if the machine is cooled completely and 5 minutes for batch printing because it's still warm from a previous print. I use a a 315x315mm Carborundum glass bed and the build area is 300x290x320. Cartesian bed dropper. Printed a 2mm thick garbage can the other day On a Duplicator i3 i had before i insulated the edges with wool. I quickly noticed that bed slingers passively cool the parts and bed the more and the faster the bed moves, and parts where coming loose near the edges. Plenty of ways to eat a cat
I'm sure the last thing you want is a response telling you to print more parts but... I previously printed "honeycomb storage wall" system and had the same issue with the connector pieces coming out too easy with heavy objects. I switched to multiboard after testing the "DS Snaps" because they are much more solid. They are a two part (front & back) connector available in different fit tolerances with the most snug basically being "you are breaking this to get it apart" permanent. The guy who makes multiboard has a video showing how they go together... ua-cam.com/video/j6Jl53Ie6nI/v-deo.html
Top notch Multiboard video!! I use it in my 3d printing area for lighter tools and have a nice French cleat wall in my garage for the bigger stuff. They even have mounts to hang Multiboard panels on French cleats to hopefully give the best of both worlds. Great job though! I enjoyed it!
i had been interested in multi board and was considering it for a 3D printer/solder/craft table i'm building, but this video convinced me not to do it.. too much printing and the strength concern is an issue.. i'll just do french cleats, good ol' subtractive manufacturing.. i can always 3D print mounts that sit on the cleats anyway.. i do think i'll do some gridfinity for some drawers though
Glad Im not alone in the frustration of how the parts are organized. Every video I watch nobody has mentioned it. Im with you in that the parts needed to mount it/pair it with something else should be bundled with the file.
Hey! just wanted to put a little note in to say I am 100% in agreement that the whole thing is a little bit all over the place at the moment and parts are not anywhere near as best organized or displayed as they can be... I've been listening to everyone loud and clear and there is a whole new website redesign from the ground up which is going to make things 10x better plus i'm going to be working on making videos for every single design a total of 235. To hopefully be able to answer questions right away of any part of the system.
@multiboard_io i appreciate the reply! Love the system, but once I have a bunch of random files on my computer, I can't tell what part is what. "Dumbing" down the names of the parts would go a long way. Also, most of my frustration comes from the community (not multiboards fault) not saying what parts are needed for attachment, etc.
If you do film in front of it, you could probably easily design your MandicReally logo to snap into the multi board up top or something. That would look so cool. Great job. I need to get to some organization myself.
The strength issues (and tons of printing) are the main reasons why I didn't go with these options for wall mounting. For my project room, I ended up using Skadis because it's relatively strong and very cheap with huge aftermarket support; for the garage, I used Wall Control because of its durability and strength and because they already offer a lot of nice accessories. That being said, the wall looks great in the studio!
@@MandicReally yeah it's hard to make a content about of the shelf pegboard, yet Scadis has pretty big 3d printing community, for instance, there is parametric model on printables, which can be used for fdm printing, lasercut or milling it
I bought Skadis on sale too. A couple of years ago it just looked SO much cheaper than all the printable alternatives, and with none of the printing issues (edge of bed adhesion) and a better finish. I appreciate all the design work, but it feels like one of the areas where the printer is the worse option because massive economy of scale already solved the issue.
@MandicReally that toolbox is sick too btw! This would be amazing for our garage, but I don't know about the struggles 😬 & I would have wanted to hang the leaf blower too 😂
This looks awesome! You totally nailed the color choices too, the grey but not black with the blue and purple is the perfect amount of contrast. Regarding the strength issues you mentioned, I would also keep an eye on printed parts deforming over time. PLA is somewhat susceptible to creep, and particularly with the weaker PolyTerra parts where it's bowing away from the wall, I'd keep a close eye on it. It might get worse over time unfortunately.
I have to agree, It's looking awesome and do keep an eye on the board as it seems like you have just used normal snaps which really are not redesign for high weight loads. I'm truly stress testing what happens creep wise in my studio with over 150KG of filament on my board plus a 15KG weight on a self but there are all using Hooked snaps and threads which are the specifically designed solution for Multiboard weight bearing builds.
While I am a fan (and backer) of multiboard over HSW it’s a bummer (though common one) that your new user experience wasn’t great. I think your view on the UX is spot on as it took me weeks to try to figure things out with trial and error. @keepmaking seems to be focused on expanding the library which is great, but I wish he would slow down on part design for a couple months and use that time making better instructions and a if you want this part also get this part. The knowledge hub on his site is really lacking and there are some parts that I still have no idea how they get used. Hopefully this video helps highlight this gap to him One thing that isn’t super clear that would have helped you and anyone who reads this, is that there is a screw/anchor setup for anchoring to the back that can be installed from the front even after the base grid is on the wall. That adds a lot of strength. Additionally there are offset pegs that you screw in to the back of the grid that can be placed throughout the grid that help with flexing on heavy items.
Hey! Thanks for being a supporter of Multiboard! I really appreciate the feedback and totally understand where you’re coming from. Improving the user experience is a huge focus right now, and while the library has been growing, I’ve been listening closely to all the feedback about better instructions and pairing parts (Thus the massive description update). Just to clarify, I’m not necessarily focusing on creating new parts all the time. It just happens to be that while the website is being redesigned (ETA Jan/Feb for phase 1 of 4), there are occasional moments for new parts to be worked on. The main focus is definitely on improving the organization, documentation, and usability for everyone. The knowledge hub is getting a complete overhaul as part of the website redesign, which I’m confident will make it much easier to find what you need and figure out how everything works together. On top of that, I’m also working on videos for all 235+ designs to guide people through the system step by step and answer any questions along the way. And your spot on, those anchors and offset pegs are great for heavy-duty builds-thanks for highlighting them here! Again thanks for the support and input it really means the world, and I’m excited to make all these updates next year to help fill in the gaps. Thanks sticking with me and helping to push Multiboard forward!
You're certainly right about printing to the edge of your build plate! Took me a couple rounds to figure out how to do it reliably. :) I did stack mine with a small gap in between them. It was a little bit of work to split them apart, but not too difficult. The stacking is a nice feature.
I have been using a variety of 98A and 72D TPU filaments and they are quite useful for 3D printed RC car parts that are either designed for or can tolerate the limited flexibility.
Decoration: 9/10 Innovation: 10/10 Utility: 3/10 looks cool, but a pegboard or a simple painted plywood sheet with some screws would achieve the same result and last 100 times longer in an actual workshop
Totally agree, a plywood covered wall is so much easier to add fittings to. You can use any cheap steel brackets and hooks plus print or fabricate custom holders.
For utility sake I would go for french cleats over plywood, especially when it comes to heavier tools. I do use standard pegboard in the workshop and Skadis in the home/office. Skadis has its pros and cons as well but does look snazzy for mech keyboards and gaming accessories on display.
I just went with the good ol peg board and metal pegs etc for my garage. It's readily available, cheap and just works even for heavy things. You can get it in black, cardboard brown or white sometimes. You can also paint it to suit. Then I purchased a combination of metal pegs, shelves etc. You can even get heavy duty ones for heavier items. I love 3D printing but knew weight would be an strength issue so went the ol'skool method. Your's looks great though but I'm afraid issue my happen down the road with cracking or something. I have 3D printed a few items to hold some lighter weight items so there is that option too.
For strength in a shop I'd suggest putting the 2x2 mounts on the corners of four. This will hold each corner strongly. After that you can hang hundreds of pounds on it, especially with the higher load line of connectors Your summary of it being overwhelming is completely founded. Kind of like Gridfinity before the tools hit. Too bad it's not open source or it probably would have them by now.
Loved seeing a huge tile printing on the RatRig! Please do a follow up video on that machine! I ended up printing random multiboard parts and fiddling with them for a couple weeks to figure out the system before starting my first real project. Less than ideal, but it's hard to complain when almost all of it was released for free.
I love that you printed out a really big multiboard It's so cool to see it large format. You should try an incredible hack is slatwall. Specifically the aluminum slatwall. Wildly durable. Paintable. The kicker is that once you know the dimensions of the hooks you can easily 3D print parts, panels, cups, pods, and organizers. Take a look. You can even print hooks for a piece of plywood and multiboard. Another option as bad as it's going to be, is to back it with 3/4 laminated plywood. Then secure it in more spots with standoffs. I tried to like multiboard but unless I used expensive rigid filament it always felt too flimsy. PETG and ASA seem the best so far.
I have found the best way to mount the panels if you don't care about using the peg holes and want the panels flush to the wall is to simply put your screws directly into the peg holes. Great way to also reinforce those panels that have too much flex in them.
Valid critiques. That said I have crazy amounts of weight on mine and I used drywall anchors on most. Not saying it's great for heavy duty stuff but it surprised me the amount of weight mine handled. The 14x14 boards is probably the issue. I did 8x8s and did an anchor in each corner, and one in every 2x2 and 4x4 snap (1 anchor per 2 or 4 connector)
@@MandicReally Ya.... The whole system is sort of designed for 8x8 tiles and it's what's encouraged exactly for that reason of warping tiles on larger tile structures. I'm going to be doing a whole new "How to mount a large Multiboard" Video where i'm very much going to encourage both 8x8, offset mounts and just putting it all onto a bit of MDF of ply... If not you pretty much just turn your wall into swiss cheese. That's how I'm able to put 150kg of filament on mine.
@@multiboard_io yeah that's pretty much my setup. 8x8s everywhere I can, and offset mounts, Currently have 3 different walls covered. It's been difficult not to just put multiboard on every wall in my office/gaming/3d printing room haha.
It's a good system for smaller stuff. Bigger things like full size drills and circular saws are not how what I would use this kind of thing for. I have all French cleats in my workshop and that works much better for larger things but for my workbench with all my small things I use for electronics and what not I use pegboard. All the adjustability and movability seems great at the start, but I rarely if ever move anything on my French cleats or my peg hooks. Once my tools have their place, thats where they stay. If I moved things around all the time I would be spending most of my time looking for things instead of getting any work done.
I didn't read through all the comments to see if this is redundant, but you printed some really large tiles. Those large tiles would have much less connections to the wall than smaller tiles would because the 2 and 4 way connections are where you (normally) mount them to the wall. This would cause them to pull from the wall more. If you had connections (to the wall) within a large tile, I missed that. Otherwise, when wanting to wall mount heavier items, I'd definitely look to french cleat or having individual mounts that screw into the wall for each tool.
You can stack the tiles. I usually print 4 tiles stacked each print in 11x11 size om my K1max. Sliced in orca. Just make a spacing of 0.2mm and enable ironing top layer. Printed everyting in ABS
This looks really cool but for a heavy use work area I'd rather just stick to my plywood with hooks, screws, and the occasional 3d printed bracket for weirdly shaped thing. An indoor studio/shop light duty area though I do like the look.
Just want to let you know i'm listening and thanks for the support. I promise you I'm working on everything I can and things WILL get much better with time.
Its a cool design but you've hit every point and more that I assumed would be a problem. My solution is just a large scrap piece of white faced melamine particle board, and 3d printing holders for pens, 18650s, screwdriver holders and a few other things, and screws to hang everything else. I'd rather spend time in the workshop doing workshop things, than fitting it out. My main concerns were always, cost, strength, durability. I knew those printed boards were never going to be upto my needs
Totally agree on the new user experience - I was going to print multiboard for cable management (see Hands On Katies "underwear" here on UA-cam). I started trying to figure out what I needed to print and just couldn't be bothered in the end. I'll just design some custom brackets and mount my stuff directly :)
I just found multiboard two days ago. As a new user I am also very confused. I think I love it. But so far I’ve struggled with finding and knowing what parts I need. I’m also concerned with the stability since I’ll want to hang some heavy things.
Very cool concept, and I am just assuming that the rigidity issues you were having might be because you printed the 14x14 grid. I bet a whole 7x7 grid would be a little stronger? Also I bet adding on a piece of 3/8 plywood on the wall first, then painting that would solve the rigidity issues because you would be able to add more screws closer together on the board.
The 7x7s really aren’t stronger as they aren’t tied together along the edges, just by the clips at the corners. The plywood is what I should have done. I could have put plywood behind the drywall even and drilled anywhere. I considered it but already invested more than I wanted in supplies.
I had the same experience with Multiboard. I’ve abandoned it until there is some sort of order to the system. It doesn’t make sense to research for an hour to find the correct hook and fasteners to hang a single tool. Filling a wall takes weeks of work at the computer. It’s too frustrating.
Nice build! And yeah, I agree, the system is pretty sweet and I have used it in my workspace but there is an overall "how this works" component missing.... There are are almost too many options and the system could use better documentation.
Needs to be mounted to wood, plywood, particle board etc. Design a much smaller way to get a construction screw in each corner of the base material. Ditch the 2x2 and 4x4 corner connectors, for a cleaner look. And plan on designing your own hooks for heavier tools.
My favorite pegboard is the steel kind from Wall Control. Bonus: plenty of printable attachments for it on Printables (for hanging lighter items). I don't trust 3D printed pegboard for hanging heavy things like circular saws; every material creeps, some slowly deforms (PETG) and some fails spontaneously and catastrophically (ASA, PET-CF, PLA)
Ah, takes me back to my mechanic days... sell the 18 year old a $10k toolbox, lol. Mine was the one with the airbrushed drag race between a Vette and a Chevelle. I polished it every week in case the Matco guy came to take it to a new home. 😂 2:45
I'm in two minds about this one. It looks super nice, but I definitely think that it makes more holes in the drywall than I'd feel comfortable with. The plastic use is also quite excessive. I've considered building this system, but I'm personally more inclined to take the IKEA Skadis, stick some LEDs behind it, and design my own mounts
I use the multi material stack when I print grids as I never get good results with ironing. Biggest issue is the middle grids have gaps at the intersections that hurt aesthetics. I got around this by setting height range modifiers in orcaslicer to increase the number of walls at the top and bottom of the middle grids and apply gap fill
Its nice but its a lot of extra work. I built a fake wall for my workshop and i just stuck a sheet of peg board 4x8 sheet. then i just print all my hangers and stuff. its been holding up for about 5 years. lots of free stuff for pegboard to download. towel holders to cup holders. filament holders, tool organizers and everything in between.
The thing that befuddles me about multiboard is the negative tradeoffs that come from using the same holes for linking panels, mounting panels to the wall, and mounting the fixtures to the panels. Right off the bat That’s a big loss of usable surface area. What seems worse is the loss in flexibility of tool placement since holes that are holding the system together are (mostly) lost to mounting fixtures. Additionally, those connectors holding panels together end up in horizontal and vertical rows, creating additional constraints on where fixtures can be mounted. Every implementation I’ve seen, including this one, shows a tiny number of tools with huge spacing between them. Am I missing something here?
So cool! I wish I could print this with my Genius Pro. Unfortunately the whole wall would break and go down on me entirely, my whole house falls appart...
Probably the part of the problem is the size of boards that you printed (14x14). There aren't enough anchor points and you get a lot of torsion on the parts, and layer adhesion starts playing a big part in overall strength. Boards are designed for predominantly downward forces (gravity) and when you add those hooks everything starts to bend if anchor points are not close enough. It would probably greatly help if you fixed all boards to be around "standard" printer size (probably around 7x7). Effectively you would be cutting distances by 1/3 and that would greatly help with material strength and amount of mass complete setup could carry.
I get that but smaller panel bits wouldn’t really make a difference imo. They still have to span between studs. Having a chunkier connecting piece in the middle of a 7x7 doesn’t seem to really make it stronger. And being separate pieces they aren’t bonded together in the middle of the grid so they can shear apart, not reinforcing. I didn’t find the 7x7 areas any stronger than the 14x14. I should have figured on a row of drywall anchors in between each stud, but that’s starting to get excessive for my goals I think.
@@MandicReally In Europe we have metal dowels that expand like umbrellas and anchor themselves in drywall, and they can carry a lot of weight, especially if drywall has two layers. One layer of drywall is problematic. And they come with normal bolts. I am not talking about those drywall little plastic thingy... This is serious stuff. If I am not mistaken, your goal is to put something on the wall, so I wouldn't call it excessive.
Perfect setup for building new printers with the tools and such at the back. The other setup could be for reviews and anything that isn't building a kit printer or cnc or anything 😂
Another component you have to download. For me, I should have done that in CAD, but I didn't know I needed to. And doing so, then reprinting every one that I needed while I was trying to install it, that would have added hours to the project. The other reason is, sometimes you use one of the 4 place ones, sometimes a 2, sometimes just a standalone 1. So now you have to have versions of each of those with the countersunk integrated. The parts creep expands exponentially.
I JUST did a multiboard wall in my shop too and had a very similar experience. Super overwhelming and difficult to determine what you actually need. Also, fuck those split screw things.
Hey how did you get shots of my garage? Lol. ADHD and a lack of a defined place for things to live is a major contributor to what my workspaces look like
Great video, and I love multiboard. What would you recommend having your 3D Printer on so sound it not transmitted through the desk to the floor below? I have a Bambu Labs A1 with AMS
Tried already 3 times to nove from honeycomb wall to multi board, but sfter an hour of searching,ecen how to just mount it to the wall,i lose hope in learning the rest and drop the idea
The STEP files to create your own are there, I believe behind the paywall, but I'm honestly not sure. Once I'm on the other side of the paywall it is hard to tell what is paid and what isn't: thangs.com/designer/Multiboard/3d-model/Tile%20Components%20-%20STEP%20Multiboard%20Remixing%20Files-994681 I used those core parts and just setup the grid as I wanted for my angled pieces. For regular square / rectangular sections the Blender tool works great.
He fully created a Fusion Multiboard file as the .step files are available for free in the remixing section. Only things that are behind paywalls are easy of life stuff, earyly acsses to parts that will be free in 3 months anyway and being able to sell the physical system.
Think that may get into "Reinventing the wheel" territory. There isn't much space inside of the print to embed anything, and backing the parts up with metal, you may as well get metal pegboard at that point. Things I will be considering for sure.
Another great example of "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should". There are so many other, much better, commercial off the shelf solutions to this. Just because "it's better than it was before" (a bare wall), doesn't mean it's great. Or even 'good'.
It's a great system for smaller stuff. Bigger things like full size drills and circular saws are not how what I would use this kind of thing for. I have all French cleats in my workshop and that works much better for larger things but for my workbench with all my small things I use for electronics and what not I use pegboard. All the adjustability and movability seems great at the start, but I rarely if ever move anything on my French cleats or my peg hooks. Once my tools have their place, thats where they stay. If I moved things around all the time I would be spending most of my time looking for things instead of getting any work done.
It's for show man... it will be in the background of his vids... maybe some topdown rgb lighting. It is good! and it works very very well and is extremely versatile.
The whole system didn't look as complete (or aesthetically pleasing) to me. I considered both but landed on MultiBoard for what I was trying to create. I could have done the bulk of this for Free, I just had to be extra so I paid up for the few things behind a paywall.
Studio is heated, cooled, and dehumidified by a mini split already. Needs better insulation (exterior walls aren’t at all) and a dedicated dehumidifier I think, but the mini split keeps up pretty well.
@MandicReally thanks a ton, bud. I just bought a house with a garage and the wife says it can be my shop. gonna buy a mini split pronto! (and also insulate my exterior walls oof)
It looks really nice, but too many compromises on functionality.. The core isn't anything robust like plywood, so you can't appreciably scale off of it and store anything heavy, save for drywall anchors to bypass it. Not being able to store drills with their battery pack is sort of a cardinal sin against 'first order retrievability' because it's flimsy like that you are locked into a system that can't really adapt even if you want it to. Modular, yes. Versatile, maybe.. but not for workshop tools. screwdrivers, fidget spinners, some gridfinity bins, and obviously a YT channel logo. So I'd say you printed a pleasant backdrop at the very least, with some lightweight versatility.
I don’t know if this has been tested but every polyterra roll I have ever used as well as overture matte PLA is not only extraordinarily brittle but also very very weak. I am very surprised you used this for your boards.
I think your issues with tiles flexing is because you printed them so big. 14x14 needs more support than you gave it. There shouldn't be a gap bigger than say 6-7 hexes between wall anchors. Also, as Jonathan points out, the multiboard is only as strong as your wall. A lot of folks I see start with a wall of OSB instead of drywall for maximum structural integrity. I have the same issues with navigating the parts library. What makes it worse is there are lots of new official multiboard parts and a lot of community remixes and different connectors that will or won't work with what you're trying to do. It can be maddening.
The organization is absolutely infuriating with these files. I genuinely have come to hate the project now but I’m so invested in printing, we’re talking hundreds and hundreds of hours, that I’m sunk cost fallacy trapped. I wish the designer would take a few months off making new widgets and ORGANIZE THE GD REPOSITORY. If I’m PAYING for it why can’t I USE IT. It’s shockingly frustrating and half the time I’ve gone back to just tossing crap in sterilite bins again because I don’t have five hours to scroll through the horse crap endless disorganized repo.
Hey! First off, I’m really sorry to hear about your frustration, it’s the last thing I want anyone to feel when using Multiboard. With that said, I totally understand where you’re coming from, and I appreciate you sharing your thoughts so honestly. I want to assure you that organization is a massive focus right now. The repository and knowledge hub are both getting a complete overhaul as part of a website redesign (ETA for phase 1 is Jan/Feb), and the goal is to make everything much more streamlined and intuitive to use. Also, just to clarify, I’m not focusing on making new parts all the time, it’s more that while the website redesign is in progress, there are occasional moments for new designs to happen. The core focus right now is absolutely on improving documentation, usability, and organization. I truly appreciate the time and effort you’ve already put into this project, and I hope these upcoming changes will make things way easier for you and others. Hang in there, thank for putting up with it and feedback. I genuinely helps drive the improvements I’m making and I'm sure once these updates are out they will make a big difference.
@@multiboard_io well I’m glad to hear you’re aware of the frustration for people who haven’t followed the evolution. I purchased a year membership so I’ll be around for that long. After that depends a lot on the items you’ve outlined here. Thanks for the honest response and good luck. 🍀
Looks good, but completely inadequate for anything but small and light tools. I wouldn't trust it even if it is injection moulded. Kinda funny to have it side by side to those nice robust tool boxes.
Given the shortcomings of the Multiboard system and the wide variety of metal and printed hooks, why not just use pegboard? It would hold more weight and could be painted or stained in almost any color. Multiboard is better suited for lighter, less demanding applications.
Yes I am, but I wanted to ensure the system worked for me and see how it behaves as most folks will use it. I can always reprint parts in ASA as I need. Love that Polymaker colors match in that way.
There are plenty of times where printing doesn't make much sense. This may be one of them, it may not. Time will tell as I learn it more and try to flesh it out a bit. I am probably asking a lot with the particular tools I'm using.
@@MandicReally Yeah if you want a thin wall section and high rigidity across a large area, you don't want 3D printed parts in general and even more so PLA
I started to print the multiboard and feel the same and was worried on weight pulling, I just saw this yesterday and think I may switch over to this concept and if something is not there for it I should be able to merge the muliboard part with the GOEWS ua-cam.com/video/_bXqcmMFr78/v-deo.html
I'm so glad to see that you actually put up some of the problems you were having. A lot of the sites I see make it seem like it's a wonderful system with no problems. So it's nice to see a site that actually shows you what the issues are.
Thank you so much for this video. I haven’t found many vids of people using Multiboard in a “shop” which was concerning me, then I found your video confirming my concerns. Since I dabble in woodworking, it’s back to plan A of french cleat mounts. I’ll probably try gridfinity for drawers, but multiboard seems good for small “maker” stuff, but not full size tool walls like this vid and what I want. Yes, making French cleat holders for each tool is time consuming, but far more confident than multiboard ripping down.
I've looked at various of these kinds of systems and finally just went with good old fashioned french cleats. Simple, cheap, and strong.
No doubt. I've spent about 3 or 4 weeks of non-stop 3D printing, organizing tool box drawers, using Zack Freedman's "Gridfinity" system. I've custom designed most of the boxes for the application. Gravity keeps things aligned well, as 3d prints are great at with withstanding compression. Tension however, especially perpendicular to layer lines...not so much. I can't imagine thinking printing a wall hang system where serious tools (not that he owns many) could be supported by any similar plastic grid. The ties connecting each grid also gives this whole thing a messy look that your french cleat system easily outpaces.
Great vid. Thank you for saving me from this dark rabbit hole. I was starting to look at this system last week for a utility wall. I thought it seemed confusing as hell but chalked it up to my ADD and planned to revisit. Back to my Skadis plan.
I went with the skadis pegboard from Ikea. It's stupid simple to mount and hold a decent amount of weight. Accessories are pretty pricey so that's where 3D printing can save a few bucks. Some models are good some have less desirable geometry for strength so take your time finding the best options for your needs.
I have been thoroughly surprised by Gridfinity however. The addon for Fusion really makes it streamlined for self made designs when models aren't readily available or aren't to your preferences.
your videos are improving drastically with every new upload. Go, go, go! Keep going dude I don't even 3d print anymore but hell I love your charismatic personality and what you create. Bound for a blowup in no-time ❤❤❤ cheers from ny
I'm happy with my multi-board deployments. It's certainly not perfect (particularly the documentation like you said) but I think you made a few mistakes.
1. You should have gone with smaller tiles and more connectors. 8x8 is probably as big as you should have gone. My inside wall is using 8x8 tiles however I put staggered connectors every 4 (staggered so that they aren't all lined up in perfect rows/columns). Not only does it look cool, it makes things are more sturdy. If I had committed to 4x4, 5x5, or 6x6 in the beginning I would have also saved myself a lot of grief getting the tiles to stick to my build plate.
2. You should also have used way more screws mounting the connectors to the walls. I have at least one screw in nearly every connector. That will eliminate the flex problem.
3. You probably should have done the offset mount to give you more room in the back for bolting in the connectors. The press fit stuff just isn't sturdy enough by itself for the heavier equipment.
It IS a lot of work and a lot of printing, but it looks super cool when it's done. I also prefer the way it looks when it's busy with connectors over massive empty tiles.
I think this system works best mounted to an intermediary plywood board. That way you can use wood screws which are way stronger than drywall anchors. Also, you went really big with your grid size, I think if you go that big, you need to add more fasteners/mounts than just on the corners and seams for extra rigidity.
I bought a few panels of both Omniwall and Wall control to investigate selling custom mounts on my Etsy, and Omniwall is the clear winner IMO. Their system for mounting the panels to the wall is very good, and the clips that secure their attachments are a killer feature. The panels themselves aren't that much more expensive, they gouge you on the attachments, but they do have much better attachments than anyone else.
There's not nearly as many 3d printed mounts available, but the slots allow you to make mounts that are very strong, I made a 100% printed shelf (other than two 15mm M6 screws) in under 100g that could hold a 30lb kettlebell
I've also been a huge fan and supporter of Multiboard since fairly early after its initial release. I agree with your comments that the documentation and part linking is still not complete. It HAS gotten better that it was, but even the creator admits the team has a way to go to get where it should be. I think they focused too much on new parts and not enough on documenting the parts and showing use cases. At the very least, finish documenting the existing parts before releasing new ones. The design is solid and the functionality is great once you figure out what parts you need to accomplish your goal. Too bad it can be so iterative, and sometimes wasteful, to get there.
Thank you so much for supporting Multiboard! I truly appreciate your feedback and as you know I understand where you're coming from. I just want to clarify that I'm not necessarily focusing on creating new parts all the time. It just happens to be that while the website is being redesigned, there are occasional moments for new parts to be worked on, but the primary focus is improving organization, documentation, and usability for everyone.
Currently, all parts have had a description update, but there’s still so much more to come. I’m also working on creating videos for every single design there are 235+ in total to make it easier to understand and implement every aspect of the system.
Again I completely understand the frustration while were still in these sort of Beta phase and thanks so much for your support, It really means the world and it's what's making the ambitious future of Multiboard a possibility. I'm sure one things start to get updates in the new year they will make a big difference for everyone. Thanks for sticking with me! 😊
That chaos of parts also held me back on using the Multiboard over the HSW. Still frustrating, but I am really satisfied with mine. I used the 2-part standoffs with the spacing behind in my garage and have a lot of big socket wrenches and also battery powered ones, all the accessories that go with them etc. hanging on there just fine.
What MultiBoard needs is a standalone app. It should let you go from prototyping to exporting/printing. That way things like knowing what else you need for a particular print is all on the same page. At least a drop down that list additional parts that are commonly used with that particular setup. Would make it much easier to have everything at your disposal all in one place. Since this is something that is a business for him, I think it would make a more compelling way for those wanting more from their use cases for MultiBoard. Plus adding new parts or updating existing ones is seamless with a news hub built right in. Just no ads PLEASE!
@6:00 When i upgraded my bed on my main printer i specifically got a larger bed than i needed by about 15mm in each direction. The edges like you implied will always run cooler and give you lower bed temps/bad adhesion because of that. I've printed massive ABS prints with no brim like a crazy person in a passively heated enclosed chamber with very little or no lifting.
I also added g-code in the filament profiles for ABS/ASA/PC to let the chamber heat soak for 5 and 10 minutes after the bed reaches temp before the print starts. 10 minutes if the machine is cooled completely and 5 minutes for batch printing because it's still warm from a previous print. I use a a 315x315mm Carborundum glass bed and the build area is 300x290x320. Cartesian bed dropper. Printed a 2mm thick garbage can the other day
On a Duplicator i3 i had before i insulated the edges with wool. I quickly noticed that bed slingers passively cool the parts and bed the more and the faster the bed moves, and parts where coming loose near the edges. Plenty of ways to eat a cat
Apart from the mate finish, why PLA instead of PETG?
Nice vid!
I'm sure the last thing you want is a response telling you to print more parts but...
I previously printed "honeycomb storage wall" system and had the same issue with the connector pieces coming out too easy with heavy objects. I switched to multiboard after testing the "DS Snaps" because they are much more solid. They are a two part (front & back) connector available in different fit tolerances with the most snug basically being "you are breaking this to get it apart" permanent. The guy who makes multiboard has a video showing how they go together... ua-cam.com/video/j6Jl53Ie6nI/v-deo.html
Yep those are how I secured mine as well
Top notch Multiboard video!! I use it in my 3d printing area for lighter tools and have a nice French cleat wall in my garage for the bigger stuff. They even have mounts to hang Multiboard panels on French cleats to hopefully give the best of both worlds. Great job though! I enjoyed it!
i had been interested in multi board and was considering it for a 3D printer/solder/craft table i'm building, but this video convinced me not to do it.. too much printing and the strength concern is an issue.. i'll just do french cleats, good ol' subtractive manufacturing.. i can always 3D print mounts that sit on the cleats anyway.. i do think i'll do some gridfinity for some drawers though
3D printed mounts and adapters for French cleats makes a ton of sense. It is the best of both worlds.
Glad Im not alone in the frustration of how the parts are organized. Every video I watch nobody has mentioned it. Im with you in that the parts needed to mount it/pair it with something else should be bundled with the file.
Hey! just wanted to put a little note in to say I am 100% in agreement that the whole thing is a little bit all over the place at the moment and parts are not anywhere near as best organized or displayed as they can be... I've been listening to everyone loud and clear and there is a whole new website redesign from the ground up which is going to make things 10x better plus i'm going to be working on making videos for every single design a total of 235. To hopefully be able to answer questions right away of any part of the system.
@multiboard_io i appreciate the reply! Love the system, but once I have a bunch of random files on my computer, I can't tell what part is what. "Dumbing" down the names of the parts would go a long way. Also, most of my frustration comes from the community (not multiboards fault) not saying what parts are needed for attachment, etc.
looks great! thanks for the explanation of multiboard. Now I know I wasn't the only one overwhelmed with all that options.
If you do film in front of it, you could probably easily design your MandicReally logo to snap into the multi board up top or something. That would look so cool. Great job. I need to get to some organization myself.
The strength issues (and tons of printing) are the main reasons why I didn't go with these options for wall mounting. For my project room, I ended up using Skadis because it's relatively strong and very cheap with huge aftermarket support; for the garage, I used Wall Control because of its durability and strength and because they already offer a lot of nice accessories. That being said, the wall looks great in the studio!
Thank you. Yea, this isn’t for everyone (probably even me) but it is great to have the options.
@@MandicReally yeah it's hard to make a content about of the shelf pegboard, yet Scadis has pretty big 3d printing community, for instance, there is parametric model on printables, which can be used for fdm printing, lasercut or milling it
I bought Skadis on sale too. A couple of years ago it just looked SO much cheaper than all the printable alternatives, and with none of the printing issues (edge of bed adhesion) and a better finish.
I appreciate all the design work, but it feels like one of the areas where the printer is the worse option because massive economy of scale already solved the issue.
Yeah even my normal old school pegboard is stronger and so much easier.
However won't ever satisfy that OCD itch that multiboard can.
You printed is in PLA right? If you had used PETG would that not have given you a lot more strength?
Amen!!! not everything needs to be perfekt, so a good way to tackle the drywall 😍
Oh yes! It's looking great, I can just imagine based on your old studio. Everything takes time ❤
Soooo much time. Getting there bit by bit though. Thanks!
@MandicReally that toolbox is sick too btw! This would be amazing for our garage, but I don't know about the struggles 😬 & I would have wanted to hang the leaf blower too 😂
This looks awesome! You totally nailed the color choices too, the grey but not black with the blue and purple is the perfect amount of contrast. Regarding the strength issues you mentioned, I would also keep an eye on printed parts deforming over time. PLA is somewhat susceptible to creep, and particularly with the weaker PolyTerra parts where it's bowing away from the wall, I'd keep a close eye on it. It might get worse over time unfortunately.
I have to agree, It's looking awesome and do keep an eye on the board as it seems like you have just used normal snaps which really are not redesign for high weight loads. I'm truly stress testing what happens creep wise in my studio with over 150KG of filament on my board plus a 15KG weight on a self but there are all using Hooked snaps and threads which are the specifically designed solution for Multiboard weight bearing builds.
While I am a fan (and backer) of multiboard over HSW it’s a bummer (though common one) that your new user experience wasn’t great. I think your view on the UX is spot on as it took me weeks to try to figure things out with trial and error. @keepmaking seems to be focused on expanding the library which is great, but I wish he would slow down on part design for a couple months and use that time making better instructions and a if you want this part also get this part. The knowledge hub on his site is really lacking and there are some parts that I still have no idea how they get used.
Hopefully this video helps highlight this gap to him
One thing that isn’t super clear that would have helped you and anyone who reads this, is that there is a screw/anchor setup for anchoring to the back that can be installed from the front even after the base grid is on the wall. That adds a lot of strength. Additionally there are offset pegs that you screw in to the back of the grid that can be placed throughout the grid that help with flexing on heavy items.
Hey! Thanks for being a supporter of Multiboard! I really appreciate the feedback and totally understand where you’re coming from. Improving the user experience is a huge focus right now, and while the library has been growing, I’ve been listening closely to all the feedback about better instructions and pairing parts (Thus the massive description update).
Just to clarify, I’m not necessarily focusing on creating new parts all the time. It just happens to be that while the website is being redesigned (ETA Jan/Feb for phase 1 of 4), there are occasional moments for new parts to be worked on. The main focus is definitely on improving the organization, documentation, and usability for everyone.
The knowledge hub is getting a complete overhaul as part of the website redesign, which I’m confident will make it much easier to find what you need and figure out how everything works together. On top of that, I’m also working on videos for all 235+ designs to guide people through the system step by step and answer any questions along the way.
And your spot on, those anchors and offset pegs are great for heavy-duty builds-thanks for highlighting them here! Again thanks for the support and input it really means the world, and I’m excited to make all these updates next year to help fill in the gaps. Thanks sticking with me and helping to push Multiboard forward!
You're certainly right about printing to the edge of your build plate! Took me a couple rounds to figure out how to do it reliably. :) I did stack mine with a small gap in between them. It was a little bit of work to split them apart, but not too difficult. The stacking is a nice feature.
I have been using a variety of 98A and 72D TPU filaments and they are quite useful for 3D printed RC car parts that are either designed for or can tolerate the limited flexibility.
Decoration: 9/10
Innovation: 10/10
Utility: 3/10
looks cool, but a pegboard or a simple painted plywood sheet with some screws would achieve the same result and last 100 times longer in an actual workshop
Totally agree, a plywood covered wall is so much easier to add fittings to. You can use any cheap steel brackets and hooks plus print or fabricate custom holders.
For utility sake I would go for french cleats over plywood, especially when it comes to heavier tools. I do use standard pegboard in the workshop and Skadis in the home/office. Skadis has its pros and cons as well but does look snazzy for mech keyboards and gaming accessories on display.
4:23 This is why I stuck with IKEA SKADIS - its adaptable enough for my needs, you can print more/smaller/customer shaped extensions too
I just went with the good ol peg board and metal pegs etc for my garage. It's readily available, cheap and just works even for heavy things. You can get it in black, cardboard brown or white sometimes. You can also paint it to suit. Then I purchased a combination of metal pegs, shelves etc. You can even get heavy duty ones for heavier items. I love 3D printing but knew weight would be an strength issue so went the ol'skool method. Your's looks great though but I'm afraid issue my happen down the road with cracking or something. I have 3D printed a few items to hold some lighter weight items so there is that option too.
I had no issues with building my wall. Did with Petg hf bambu. Super super rigid.
For strength in a shop I'd suggest putting the 2x2 mounts on the corners of four. This will hold each corner strongly. After that you can hang hundreds of pounds on it, especially with the higher load line of connectors
Your summary of it being overwhelming is completely founded.
Kind of like Gridfinity before the tools hit. Too bad it's not open source or it probably would have them by now.
Then again I didn't go beyond 8x8 boards
Loved seeing a huge tile printing on the RatRig! Please do a follow up video on that machine! I ended up printing random multiboard parts and fiddling with them for a couple weeks to figure out the system before starting my first real project. Less than ideal, but it's hard to complain when almost all of it was released for free.
I love that you printed out a really big multiboard It's so cool to see it large format. You should try an incredible hack is slatwall. Specifically the aluminum slatwall. Wildly durable. Paintable. The kicker is that once you know the dimensions of the hooks you can easily 3D print parts, panels, cups, pods, and organizers. Take a look. You can even print hooks for a piece of plywood and multiboard. Another option as bad as it's going to be, is to back it with 3/4 laminated plywood. Then secure it in more spots with standoffs. I tried to like multiboard but unless I used expensive rigid filament it always felt too flimsy. PETG and ASA seem the best so far.
I have found the best way to mount the panels if you don't care about using the peg holes and want the panels flush to the wall is to simply put your screws directly into the peg holes. Great way to also reinforce those panels that have too much flex in them.
Yup! That's when the peg holes have a slight counter sink to them.
Valid critiques. That said I have crazy amounts of weight on mine and I used drywall anchors on most. Not saying it's great for heavy duty stuff but it surprised me the amount of weight mine handled. The 14x14 boards is probably the issue. I did 8x8s and did an anchor in each corner, and one in every 2x2 and 4x4 snap (1 anchor per 2 or 4 connector)
Yea I should have figured on anchors in every drywall bay. Or put plywood behind the drywall (or just plywood) to screw it more. Hindsight.
@@MandicReally Ya.... The whole system is sort of designed for 8x8 tiles and it's what's encouraged exactly for that reason of warping tiles on larger tile structures. I'm going to be doing a whole new "How to mount a large Multiboard" Video where i'm very much going to encourage both 8x8, offset mounts and just putting it all onto a bit of MDF of ply... If not you pretty much just turn your wall into swiss cheese. That's how I'm able to put 150kg of filament on mine.
@@multiboard_io yeah that's pretty much my setup. 8x8s everywhere I can, and offset mounts, Currently have 3 different walls covered. It's been difficult not to just put multiboard on every wall in my office/gaming/3d printing room haha.
It's a good system for smaller stuff. Bigger things like full size drills and circular saws are not how what I would use this kind of thing for. I have all French cleats in my workshop and that works much better for larger things but for my workbench with all my small things I use for electronics and what not I use pegboard. All the adjustability and movability seems great at the start, but I rarely if ever move anything on my French cleats or my peg hooks. Once my tools have their place, thats where they stay. If I moved things around all the time I would be spending most of my time looking for things instead of getting any work done.
Im glad I watched this because it convinced me that this was NOT the right solution for me loll
I didn't read through all the comments to see if this is redundant, but you printed some really large tiles. Those large tiles would have much less connections to the wall than smaller tiles would because the 2 and 4 way connections are where you (normally) mount them to the wall. This would cause them to pull from the wall more. If you had connections (to the wall) within a large tile, I missed that.
Otherwise, when wanting to wall mount heavier items, I'd definitely look to french cleat or having individual mounts that screw into the wall for each tool.
You can stack the tiles. I usually print 4 tiles stacked each print in 11x11 size om my K1max. Sliced in orca. Just make a spacing of 0.2mm and enable ironing top layer. Printed everyting in ABS
Not trying to be a dick, but did you watch the video? I showed doing that, the results, and explained how it is done...
@@MandicReally ,My bad skipping over the stack part.. :0)
This looks really cool but for a heavy use work area I'd rather just stick to my plywood with hooks, screws, and the occasional 3d printed bracket for weirdly shaped thing. An indoor studio/shop light duty area though I do like the look.
I would add more countersunk inserts and screws, especially near the heavier objects. It should help with your strength problem.
I agree, multiboard is GREAT (and I'm even a backer) but it is overwhelming and the Thangs listings suck
Just want to let you know i'm listening and thanks for the support. I promise you I'm working on everything I can and things WILL get much better with time.
Its a cool design but you've hit every point and more that I assumed would be a problem. My solution is just a large scrap piece of white faced melamine particle board, and 3d printing holders for pens, 18650s, screwdriver holders and a few other things, and screws to hang everything else. I'd rather spend time in the workshop doing workshop things, than fitting it out. My main concerns were always, cost, strength, durability. I knew those printed boards were never going to be upto my needs
Totally agree on the new user experience - I was going to print multiboard for cable management (see Hands On Katies "underwear" here on UA-cam). I started trying to figure out what I needed to print and just couldn't be bothered in the end. I'll just design some custom brackets and mount my stuff directly :)
We miss you hot rod hippie!
I just found multiboard two days ago. As a new user I am also very confused. I think I love it. But so far I’ve struggled with finding and knowing what parts I need. I’m also concerned with the stability since I’ll want to hang some heavy things.
Very cool concept, and I am just assuming that the rigidity issues you were having might be because you printed the 14x14 grid. I bet a whole 7x7 grid would be a little stronger?
Also I bet adding on a piece of 3/8 plywood on the wall first, then painting that would solve the rigidity issues because you would be able to add more screws closer together on the board.
The 7x7s really aren’t stronger as they aren’t tied together along the edges, just by the clips at the corners. The plywood is what I should have done. I could have put plywood behind the drywall even and drilled anywhere. I considered it but already invested more than I wanted in supplies.
I had the same experience with Multiboard. I’ve abandoned it until there is some sort of order to the system. It doesn’t make sense to research for an hour to find the correct hook and fasteners to hang a single tool. Filling a wall takes weeks of work at the computer. It’s too frustrating.
Haha, what a timing! We also released a complete French Cleat Sub System a few days ago! 😀
Nice build! And yeah, I agree, the system is pretty sweet and I have used it in my workspace but there is an overall "how this works" component missing.... There are are almost too many options and the system could use better documentation.
Needs to be mounted to wood, plywood, particle board etc.
Design a much smaller way to get a construction screw in each corner of the base material.
Ditch the 2x2 and 4x4 corner connectors, for a cleaner look.
And plan on designing your own hooks for heavier tools.
Totally agree with the statement "too many things for mulitboard" comment - it took me a couple prints to actually get what I wanted :(
My favorite pegboard is the steel kind from Wall Control. Bonus: plenty of printable attachments for it on Printables (for hanging lighter items). I don't trust 3D printed pegboard for hanging heavy things like circular saws; every material creeps, some slowly deforms (PETG) and some fails spontaneously and catastrophically (ASA, PET-CF, PLA)
Ah, takes me back to my mechanic days... sell the 18 year old a $10k toolbox, lol. Mine was the one with the airbrushed drag race between a Vette and a Chevelle. I polished it every week in case the Matco guy came to take it to a new home. 😂 2:45
I've found the same issues with multi board. It's very overwhelming to start with
I'm in two minds about this one. It looks super nice, but I definitely think that it makes more holes in the drywall than I'd feel comfortable with. The plastic use is also quite excessive. I've considered building this system, but I'm personally more inclined to take the IKEA Skadis, stick some LEDs behind it, and design my own mounts
What metal toolboxes are you using, under your printers ?
Awesome! Please explore this multi material stacked printing some time soon :)
Maybe I’ll do a short on it. We intend to expand this further up above this area for stuff that is used less frequently.
I use the multi material stack when I print grids as I never get good results with ironing. Biggest issue is the middle grids have gaps at the intersections that hurt aesthetics. I got around this by setting height range modifiers in orcaslicer to increase the number of walls at the top and bottom of the middle grids and apply gap fill
Its nice but its a lot of extra work. I built a fake wall for my workshop and i just stuck a sheet of peg board 4x8 sheet. then i just print all my hangers and stuff. its been holding up for about 5 years. lots of free stuff for pegboard to download. towel holders to cup holders. filament holders, tool organizers and everything in between.
The thing that befuddles me about multiboard is the negative tradeoffs that come from using the same holes for linking panels, mounting panels to the wall, and mounting the fixtures to the panels. Right off the bat That’s a big loss of usable surface area. What seems worse is the loss in flexibility of tool placement since holes that are holding the system together are (mostly) lost to mounting fixtures. Additionally, those connectors holding panels together end up in horizontal and vertical rows, creating additional constraints on where fixtures can be mounted. Every implementation I’ve seen, including this one, shows a tiny number of tools with huge spacing between them. Am I missing something here?
About to go into printing a multiboard setup here and I'm ready to experience the headache as well.
So cool! I wish I could print this with my Genius Pro. Unfortunately the whole wall would break and go down on me entirely, my whole house falls appart...
Probably the part of the problem is the size of boards that you printed (14x14). There aren't enough anchor points and you get a lot of torsion on the parts, and layer adhesion starts playing a big part in overall strength. Boards are designed for predominantly downward forces (gravity) and when you add those hooks everything starts to bend if anchor points are not close enough. It would probably greatly help if you fixed all boards to be around "standard" printer size (probably around 7x7). Effectively you would be cutting distances by 1/3 and that would greatly help with material strength and amount of mass complete setup could carry.
I get that but smaller panel bits wouldn’t really make a difference imo. They still have to span between studs. Having a chunkier connecting piece in the middle of a 7x7 doesn’t seem to really make it stronger. And being separate pieces they aren’t bonded together in the middle of the grid so they can shear apart, not reinforcing. I didn’t find the 7x7 areas any stronger than the 14x14. I should have figured on a row of drywall anchors in between each stud, but that’s starting to get excessive for my goals I think.
@@MandicReally In Europe we have metal dowels that expand like umbrellas and anchor themselves in drywall, and they can carry a lot of weight, especially if drywall has two layers. One layer of drywall is problematic. And they come with normal bolts. I am not talking about those drywall little plastic thingy... This is serious stuff. If I am not mistaken, your goal is to put something on the wall, so I wouldn't call it excessive.
Perfect setup for building new printers with the tools and such at the back. The other setup could be for reviews and anything that isn't building a kit printer or cnc or anything 😂
Why not integrate the countersink feature into the connector piece at the stud locations?
Another component you have to download. For me, I should have done that in CAD, but I didn't know I needed to. And doing so, then reprinting every one that I needed while I was trying to install it, that would have added hours to the project.
The other reason is, sometimes you use one of the 4 place ones, sometimes a 2, sometimes just a standalone 1. So now you have to have versions of each of those with the countersunk integrated. The parts creep expands exponentially.
I JUST did a multiboard wall in my shop too and had a very similar experience. Super overwhelming and difficult to determine what you actually need. Also, fuck those split screw things.
I prefer skadis. Just buy the boards and save a lot of printing. Still get all the accessories
Hey how did you get shots of my garage? Lol. ADHD and a lack of a defined place for things to live is a major contributor to what my workspaces look like
Nice! I might have to get some multiboard going for my garage.
It is overwhelming but worth it once you wrapped your head around it. Or think you do, ha.
@@MandicReally Plus once we get the new UI/UX going it going to be so much easer to get started.
Great video, and I love multiboard. What would you recommend having your 3D Printer on so sound it not transmitted through the desk to the floor below? I have a Bambu Labs A1 with AMS
I am printing 8x8 panels, I was lamenting not having a bigger printer, until I assembled some, any bigger, sayyyy 14x14, not enough support
That is something I would do hahaha use my hand standing in front of a wall of toolboxes.
Tried already 3 times to nove from honeycomb wall to multi board, but sfter an hour of searching,ecen how to just mount it to the wall,i lose hope in learning the rest and drop the idea
Did you fully create the fusion multiboard files or are they available behind the multiboard paywall?
The STEP files to create your own are there, I believe behind the paywall, but I'm honestly not sure. Once I'm on the other side of the paywall it is hard to tell what is paid and what isn't: thangs.com/designer/Multiboard/3d-model/Tile%20Components%20-%20STEP%20Multiboard%20Remixing%20Files-994681
I used those core parts and just setup the grid as I wanted for my angled pieces. For regular square / rectangular sections the Blender tool works great.
He fully created a Fusion Multiboard file as the .step files are available for free in the remixing section. Only things that are behind paywalls are easy of life stuff, earyly acsses to parts that will be free in 3 months anyway and being able to sell the physical system.
Do you think there is room for a remix that adds metal or plastic ribs to strength behind the boards?
Think that may get into "Reinventing the wheel" territory. There isn't much space inside of the print to embed anything, and backing the parts up with metal, you may as well get metal pegboard at that point. Things I will be considering for sure.
@@MandicReally You are right.
Another great example of "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should".
There are so many other, much better, commercial off the shelf solutions to this.
Just because "it's better than it was before" (a bare wall), doesn't mean it's great. Or even 'good'.
It's a great system for smaller stuff. Bigger things like full size drills and circular saws are not how what I would use this kind of thing for. I have all French cleats in my workshop and that works much better for larger things but for my workbench with all my small things I use for electronics and what not I use pegboard. All the adjustability and movability seems great at the start, but I rarely if ever move anything on my French cleats or my peg hooks. Once my tools have their place, thats where they stay. If I moved things around all the time I would be spending most of my time looking for things instead of getting any work done.
It's for show man... it will be in the background of his vids... maybe some topdown rgb lighting. It is good! and it works very very well and is extremely versatile.
@@Defyant123 So, what you're saying is.... this is a great system for influencers and youtube studios, but not really for real world home use.
and the winner is IKEA wall board.... ahahahah
I love the idea of multiboard. But I’m also so confused with all the different things.
ever thought about honeycomb wall storage? its completely free and does the same thing as multiboard
The whole system didn't look as complete (or aesthetically pleasing) to me. I considered both but landed on MultiBoard for what I was trying to create. I could have done the bulk of this for Free, I just had to be extra so I paid up for the few things behind a paywall.
what will your humidity control be? mini split?
Studio is heated, cooled, and dehumidified by a mini split already. Needs better insulation (exterior walls aren’t at all) and a dedicated dehumidifier I think, but the mini split keeps up pretty well.
@MandicReally thanks a ton, bud. I just bought a house with a garage and the wife says it can be my shop. gonna buy a mini split pronto! (and also insulate my exterior walls oof)
Wouldn’t PLA creep during the summer?
I’m glad to hear that I’m not the only one who finds multiboard confusing.
Sorry about that... We're still sort of in beta at the moment... Thang in there tho as the whole UX/UI is going to have one hell of an overhaul soon
you and me both :) fitted to the walls. all brackets are made from black petg ;) see you are settling in good sir.
Thank you
Found this after being abandoned on last channel…! Big question- what is your daily driver?
It looks really nice, but too many compromises on functionality.. The core isn't anything robust like plywood, so you can't appreciably scale off of it and store anything heavy, save for drywall anchors to bypass it. Not being able to store drills with their battery pack is sort of a cardinal sin against 'first order retrievability' because it's flimsy like that you are locked into a system that can't really adapt even if you want it to. Modular, yes. Versatile, maybe.. but not for workshop tools. screwdrivers, fidget spinners, some gridfinity bins, and obviously a YT channel logo. So I'd say you printed a pleasant backdrop at the very least, with some lightweight versatility.
I don’t know if this has been tested but every polyterra roll I have ever used as well as overture matte PLA is not only extraordinarily brittle but also very very weak. I am very surprised you used this for your boards.
boy thats a lot of work and money when you could buy a commercial plywood pegboard and it would work instantly and be much stronger
I think your issues with tiles flexing is because you printed them so big. 14x14 needs more support than you gave it. There shouldn't be a gap bigger than say 6-7 hexes between wall anchors. Also, as Jonathan points out, the multiboard is only as strong as your wall. A lot of folks I see start with a wall of OSB instead of drywall for maximum structural integrity.
I have the same issues with navigating the parts library. What makes it worse is there are lots of new official multiboard parts and a lot of community remixes and different connectors that will or won't work with what you're trying to do. It can be maddening.
your case is where I believe the original HSW solution is far easier, faster and better to use.
If it gets hot in your garage your rigidity issues will INCREASE.
Multiboard is great, but you highlight a lot of the problems. There's so much to get lost on
The organization is absolutely infuriating with these files.
I genuinely have come to hate the project now but I’m so invested in printing, we’re talking hundreds and hundreds of hours, that I’m sunk cost fallacy trapped.
I wish the designer would take a few months off making new widgets and ORGANIZE THE GD REPOSITORY.
If I’m PAYING for it why can’t I USE IT. It’s shockingly frustrating and half the time I’ve gone back to just tossing crap in sterilite bins again because I don’t have five hours to scroll through the horse crap endless disorganized repo.
Hey! First off, I’m really sorry to hear about your frustration, it’s the last thing I want anyone to feel when using Multiboard. With that said, I totally understand where you’re coming from, and I appreciate you sharing your thoughts so honestly.
I want to assure you that organization is a massive focus right now. The repository and knowledge hub are both getting a complete overhaul as part of a website redesign (ETA for phase 1 is Jan/Feb), and the goal is to make everything much more streamlined and intuitive to use.
Also, just to clarify, I’m not focusing on making new parts all the time, it’s more that while the website redesign is in progress, there are occasional moments for new designs to happen. The core focus right now is absolutely on improving documentation, usability, and organization.
I truly appreciate the time and effort you’ve already put into this project, and I hope these upcoming changes will make things way easier for you and others. Hang in there, thank for putting up with it and feedback. I genuinely helps drive the improvements I’m making and I'm sure once these updates are out they will make a big difference.
@@multiboard_io well I’m glad to hear you’re aware of the frustration for people who haven’t followed the evolution.
I purchased a year membership so I’ll be around for that long. After that depends a lot on the items you’ve outlined here.
Thanks for the honest response and good luck. 🍀
Looks good, but completely inadequate for anything but small and light tools. I wouldn't trust it even if it is injection moulded. Kinda funny to have it side by side to those nice robust tool boxes.
I have both hex wall looks a lot cleaner imo ... it's not as strong as multiboard.
Given the shortcomings of the Multiboard system and the wide variety of metal and printed hooks, why not just use pegboard? It would hold more weight and could be painted or stained in almost any color. Multiboard is better suited for lighter, less demanding applications.
Aren't you afraid of PLA creep over time? Looks great though, especially with including your channel colors!
Yes I am, but I wanted to ensure the system worked for me and see how it behaves as most folks will use it. I can always reprint parts in ASA as I need. Love that Polymaker colors match in that way.
Another example of a 3D printed design being a nice idea but under performing
There are plenty of times where printing doesn't make much sense. This may be one of them, it may not. Time will tell as I learn it more and try to flesh it out a bit. I am probably asking a lot with the particular tools I'm using.
@@MandicReally Yeah if you want a thin wall section and high rigidity across a large area, you don't want 3D printed parts in general and even more so PLA
If it looks straight, it is straight. - J. DiResta
I started to print the multiboard and feel the same and was worried on weight pulling, I just saw this yesterday and think I may switch over to this concept and if something is not there for it I should be able to merge the muliboard part with the GOEWS
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