I feel like you're dramatically underestimating how much modifying Tamsin to symmetrical damage would change things. Yes, there's still plenty of healing available to Warlocks, and it's still a game changing effect, but at least they can't just just vomit their hand of self damage cards onto the field completely willy-nilly.
zeddy thought nerfing concierge to 4 wont do anything to concierge druid because "they always have spare mana left anyway" , basically any nerf that isnt as blunt as a sledgehammer is too subtle for him, he always complains about nerfs being too light and then the decks end up dead because surprise, you dont need to vindictively butcher a deck for it to become less/non viable
Ya I think making it symetrical is the perfect change. You only get two health stones, and you usually need to use at least 1 of them just to stay alive with demon seed as is. He is drastically underselling how strong the immune on your own turn effect part of the demon seed is.
So, Shaman is going from 62% win rate to 61. Druid still has unlimited ramp and Sonya turns are getting pushed back one turn. Complete incompetence from the devs as usual
they are changing tamsin to deal damage to both sides, which is why they are touching dark glare as well. with the damage being to both sides it means dark glare is still useful after completing the quest line and could potentially cause a otk style effect with refreshing mana at the end of the game after the tamsin is played.
All the hand may be too much. I think 2 backstab at 3 mana (3/3) and removing the "undamaged minon only" text. Would make it a nice card, not too amazing, and is still remaining too situational.
Thanks for the headsup Zeddy. Decided to play Demon Seed for the first time ever just now so that I could get all of the healthstone and Mass Production achievements done. Took 1 game. Apparently it's the high skill cap of the deck is what drives everyone to play it.
Not saying darkglare doesn't deserve a nerf, but what really pushed darkglare over the line is healthstone. Without healthstone healing for 20+ each time, there's a window to smorc the deck down. That said, the demonseed definatly needs a nerf. If a deck can't kill within 2 turns of Tamsin being played, it's usually game over. A demonseed nerf + healthstone ban is what i would have wanted. Depending on how they nerf the demon seed, a darkglare nerf and keeping healthstone might not slow the deck down fast enough for slower equally degenerate decks to beat it (looking at you hostage mage)
@@Maverick7613 laughing loud as you pay 7 mana for a tech card which gives the hostage mage the time to set up their lethal as you can't get enough damage through solid alibi
Of all the Druid nerfs they could’ve gone with, they go after the shitty win more one that’s gonna get rotated anyway inna couple months? I’d feel less insulted if nothing in Druid got hit.
that single card is basically the entire expansion, all their new archetypes are really weak (libram is okay now that its been buffed at least, and discover hunter is actually good now but its only a few new cards)
At this point i would change demon seed, that it basicallyis as hard to complete, as it was on release, but i would change the reward to: Whenever you take damage on your turn, your opponent does too.
I think its a pretty good nerf though. The other ramp cards are overpriced technically but getting to 10 mana on 6 mana crystals is just absurd with early ramp. I could imagine that they don‘t increase the cost but actually cut off a whole mana crystal, because it is very versatile with its second effect.
@Loathe777 making it only get out two crystal elementals would kinda make it not useful, you kinda want that third so you can fill up with restoration station, have the clusters fill up three and then have one spot for yogg or kiljaeden that turn
QL Warlock is the only deck I autoconcede sometimes while my Legendclimb with bonusstars. It's just a dumb, unfun experience. Because of the QL all the games feel similar. I was so bored with the deck lately that I couldn't even look at them while they went about their stupid quest steps. So it's good to see they do more serious nerfs on it.
If they don't fix arena, I'm still not playing. It's in such a bad state because of DK, there is just no point in playing except fi you draft mage or DK.
i main rogue and i get that sonya is annoying and frustrating but really rogue has struggled without these mad apm decks ever since whizbangs. i dont know rogue will cope with this and the buff to talgath will no nothing the cards effect is useless. I really hate the direction with rogue of being scammy instead of feeling fair to play as how swingy the class is. Hope some changes come with the next core set.
If you watched the World Championship games last weekend, the Rogue games are the most fun to watch. From its popularity despite bad win rate, I believe many people are enjoying it.
the problem is that rogue as a class is designed to be less straightforward and simple in its playstyle than most other classes, this ends up leading to a lot of rogue decks being high APM/skill expression, which evidently everyone hates and so there is nothing left to play unless they print some really good aggro cards for it
@@cuihenggang same, but your average complainer thinks its unfair when good piloting actually makes a deck more likely to succeed, they want "fair" decks where you basically see a green card and you play a green card until you have no more green cards in hand and then you end turn, repeat this 6-7 times and either lose or win
i do think that with the success of Starship Rogue now being as good as peak power Excavate, the class actually has a real option outside of Sonya (and Swarthy Swordshiner to a lesser extent), so it's probably the best timing they've ever had for removing the load-bearing busted card
The fact that even at 3 mana is still worse than the neutral epic card. Man, my favorite part of talgath was doubling it with sonya for the insane comebacks it could give
I have a huge list of cards that should have been nerfed before the bible was written. Shadowstep should not cost 0 ...EVER.Sonya only give back max 1 card or kick it right out of Standard.Rogue needs so many nerfs it was drawing most of it's deck before other classes barely got going that is so stupid broken it is sad they allowed it. Sargeras should be nerfed or better yet give us cards to ANSWER these powerful plays like WHY am I playing another player if I can't do anything about his plays? The HS team should start using some common sense when designing cards if yo uwant to give a card a powerful affect that can decide the game right then and there at least make the player have to EARN it's ability similar to how ou had to for example play a certain amount of dragons to play Zarini. HS is a NON interactive game so you have to actually give an opponent a CHANCE to answer what the other player is doing and it is a SIMPLE fix give certain powerful cards a sickness turn meaning the oppoenent gets to actually do something about it on their turn or better yet gives us a STACK and counter cards.
This really makes me lose hope for the game. I don't know... definitely going to take a break until the mini set arrives - maybe until rotation. Shaman and Druid every game killed my desire to play the game completely. I don't get how this is the "solution" they came up with. No unkilliax nerf, no dungar nerf, not taking away ramp from the gift, no pop-up book nerf and no oracle nerf. Mind-blowing how fucked this is.
I am confused on why Sonya is being nerfed. From what I understand, each class has its own special abilities. With Druid you have ramp, with Mage you have spells. With rogue you have the ability to bounce cards back to your hand. To you playing rogue is just a cheat session with no response from your side. Yet looking at the meta, you consistently see rogue being on the bottom of the meta. Now I can see your response being that at high legend rogue is a problem. But this shows that rogue takes much skill in order for it to perform well. So explain to me why nerfing one of premiere cards in the rogue class is so impactful if the class is consistently at the bottom or near it?
Because there's no skill involved in endlessly cycling Griftah with Breakdance and Shadowstep, grabbing 800 "deal 6 damage" amulets... which ALSO trigger Sonya (since they're 1-mana) to make 800 more 0-mana copies of "deal 6 damage"... a protozoan with a limp pseudopod could reliably play Sonya/Griftah Rogue
Its about how well you pilot the deck. For example druid is pretty simple. Ramp twice survive throw Dungar. You basically play a card per turn. Not much to think about. With rogue from turn 5 you draw/discover/play at least 10 cards. This can overwhelm the player if he doesn't know what/when/why to play or pick on every situation. That on the other hand overwhelms the enemy if you know what to do. That translates in higher ranks people are better with this limitless deck. The winrates in hsreplay are not the whole truth. This might have 30% in Plat and 65 or 70% in high legend.
Pfft. Wanting Demon Seed nerfed while all these other win Turn 5/6 decks, noninteractable combo decks, or unlimited freeze mage is around is definitely a choice.
I am surprised that skydiving is on the block I haven't run into demon hunter or aggressive shaman like at all But I am definitely with you on the whole kill druid no talent hack ramp into unkillable board that shit makes me want to be a taste tester at smith and wesson
MTG has existed for over 20 years and been critiqued by pros the entire time the STACK is a MUST have in a player versus player game but this HS team I assume can't do it becuase of copyright but as I said there is a way around it just have played cards go through a sickness turn give the opponent a chance to react and not just let Rogue play 30+ mana worth of cards on turn 6.Give me access to counter cards a chance to remove card going through a sickness phase. In other words fix your crummy game design.
One nerf i would have liked to see with zilliax is one that i have seen on Reddit where someone recommended what if we change the perfect module and the virus module to be a battlecry. so the modules say: Perfect Module: Battlecry: Gain divine, rush, taunt and livesteal. Virus Module: Battlecry: Gain poisonous, reborn and elusive. Would make it so the Reborned copy would only be a vanilla 4 attack 1 Health minion without effects and you can't resummon Zilliax over and over again with Hydrationstation because Zilliax wouldn't be originally a Taunt Minion. PLUS, if Doctor Boom, rest in Peace or Sasquack would revive it OR if you summon it with chemical spill, it wouldn't have its powerful effects and instead just be a vanilla minion. so its still maybe a toxic or atleast strong card when played but you can't cheat it out so easily and even if. once its over you (For the most part) dont have a problem with it again. I am in general kinda disliking Ziliax as a card which also maybe comes from the fact that the last three matches i lost only to Dungar druid but even without it its Toxic as hell. But thats just a recommendation i have for the Unkilliax version. Sorry for any grammer or spelling mistake. english is not my mother language so i may havesome mistakes in my comments.
literally none of the top 12~ decks right now even use perfect or virus when they use Ziliax, its just straight up either Pylon + Ticking or Power + Haywire, whats with all the pearl clutching over modules that dont even lead to great decks to begin with?
they did, and they still suck ass, they spent a whole patch basically trying to get starship rogue to be good and failed, and now they have the briliant idea of nerfing other bad rogue decks as well
i wish for wild they did nerf Big shaman, after quest warlock nerf its gonna be nr 1 maybe holy wrath dmg cap would be good as highroll 100 dmg still is a thing as early as turn 3 - 5 biology project and ysiel too could be hit
No, it really doesn't. In fact, the deck is fairly mediocre in diamond / legend because decks like Pirate Demon Hunter, Shadow Priest, etc, just completely shit on it 99.99% of the time.
the 2 mana, draw 2, with spell damage and a 2/3 minion not being nerfed... crazy. make it either, a 1/1, no spell damage or only draws one spell. easy. also uh·thereal ;)
Disappointed the mystery egg nerf is sticking around. The deck was already slow and RNG based(love it when my first 2-4 egg procs are sasquak even tho I have all other targets in deck leading me to have no real plays) and now the deck is even slower as now typically you have to wait an extra turn to summon anything from your egg. I haven’t even seen anyone else even attempt to play egg hunter on ladder since it’s nerf. Also where is the buff to gorm?
The egg nerf is deserved Not having to deal with literally infinite free 5/2’s with rush that clear everything and build boards simultaneously is good for the game.
Honestly as someone who played quite a lot of DewmonSeed, I think changing the reward to ALSO damage the enemy might make the deck a lot weaker in most instances... that combined with a darkglare nerf might be what we need
Zeddy - seriously brother... Oracle isn't that OP. Really the only deck that can abuse it are the crazy combo Rogue decks... and if they hit Sonya hard enough (take away the ability to use it on spells) and Oracle just becomes a standard "good" all-around neutral card. Unkilliax seriously needs the triple keyword Modules to become Choose One on Battlecry - six keyword immortal minions are absolutely bonkers.
@@chaosjimthevoidlord3762 I already dislike standard and am only running that because it's cheap and the next highest win rate deck gets whompstomped - and don't wanna craft jack shit for *standard* mode to endure that stupid quest... I might grind standard, again, someday for purposes of achievements, dunno.
the community of hearthstone cries too much, demon seed already been nerfed soo many times and the players not satisfied, the same thing to ice block, you don't know secret eater the 4 mana card.
sonya, the only barely good legendary in rogue currently, lets hope is just 1 mana nerf and no the effect, being 1 mana cards is very specific to be changed
you dont get it bro it opens up design space if she gets nerfed trust me bro things will be so much better if sonya and shadowstep didnt exist bro blizzard will definitely make rogue strong bro
Dungar is the problem. I don't know what are they thinking... Cluster doesn't even matter. Point is if they draw Dungar or not... Could have been very easily nerfed by mana limiting the dudes he brings. Bring 3 6- cost not 3 steroid guys.
I don't understand why the nerfs keep coming. The issue at the heart of gameplay is that decks are going to continue to be copied as long as the internet exists.
@@Vigilant_warrior_08 - I mean... attack DH is just hero aggro rather than minion aggro... it doesn't play fundamentally different. Literally the only "different" DH archetype I can recall there being was when they did the whole minion-less build... token spam and face damage from deck/hand... which was still a weird sort of aggro build... DH has had a handful of control/tempo types of cards (like the one that burns 2 mana crystals of your opponent for a turn)... but, those were really just support to ensure your aggro build had board control for the kill.
lol nerfing sonya is the key xD lol the decks that running sonya isnt even above 50% wr thats frustrating asf to play aginst dungar or paladin with 3 expansions before card sett with holy board in turn 5 they are keep nerfing bullshit the game is poor games are too short and extremly fast
Any patch where Rogue suffers and is made unplayable is a good one. They will make anything unfun or use broken combos to just steal wins. Bit of a long time coming. Demon Seed going is just a start I hope, as the deck needs to just be gutted to the point of unplayability.
"every patch that reduces deck diversity is a good one" me when im in a bad game design competition and my opponent is a youtube commenter: also "bit of a long time coming" is hilarious when the class has been consistently one of the 3 worst classes for around 4 expansions
@@cuihenggangSonya does just steal wins, she’s scams so much extra value and damage it’s not fair or fun to play against watching your opponent just play solitaire until you blow up
@@DaXurk visited hsreplay is not a research. Far from the worst class. Most difficult to pilot? Surely. That translates really well in winrates per rank. Rogue might have 30% on Plat and 70% on legend. Just cause you see rogue on 40-50% doesn't mean that's the whole truth.
Hope they fix their game otherwise will be empty this time in 1 year from now. They managed to kill all modes even battlegrounds, don't care about players.
Bruh, I just crafted cards for the demon seed deck. Why must they nerf it now that I’ve finally accepted they’re never gonna do that?!? (I crafted cards around the demon seed, not the demon seed itself so no refund for me)
@DaXurk The same reason Griffta gets played in rogue: because Sandbox Scoundrel (and its mini) can make 4cost things, only 1mana. I get that you never played in the old days of Miracle Rogue, but please sit and think about the implications of Sonya giving rogue multiple extra ZeroDrop copies of "spellburst: draw 2 spells; spell damage +1"
@@DaXurk In other words, do you WANT a repeat of Quazar Rogue, but even more consistent? (Nobody does) Cuz making the Oracle 4 mana is how that happens
@@caseystafford6750 I played miracle rogue, but the game has moved far beyond just "getting to play a ton of cards = win" which is why both quasar and cycle rogue suck ass lmao, youre right that i dont want a repeat of quasar rogue, but thats because that deck had a sub 50% WR and was a low tier 3 meme, I think rogue should get an actual good deck as it has gotten nothing but garbage for 3 expansions straight
3 or 4 mana doesn't make any difference for sonya, because shadow step make it costs 1 too. making it 4 mana isn't the best nerf anyway (to me at least). The best ways are either removing the spell damage or making it draw 1. By making this maybe it could also become a 2 costs minion. Btw sonya is getting nerfed we don't know how, yet, but sonya surely doesn't influence the fact that oracle can't cost 4 mana.
Fun? Hyper aggro draw card go face, scam solitaire, scam 20+ mana on turn 5, and auto win against any non hyper aggro deck with self damage that isn’t actually self damage for 0 mana That’s fun?
@ sounds like someone has never had 11 stars and has never wasted 30 minutes+ only to lose to thief priest randomly generating perfect answers to your deck. Come back when you don’t have 12 hours a day to waste on grinding d5 to legend
No, I don’t play wild . It’s been a card only played by the biggest of losers ever since it came out. Like Shudderwock, only the bottom of the barrel would ever play the card.
@@DaXurk Not necessarily, though it certainly can be the case. What Im talking about specifically, are the hordes of sheeple that play just the most broken decks in wild. The real losers in life.
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I loved hs because it was a card game with video game elements , now its a video game with card game elements
I feel like you're dramatically underestimating how much modifying Tamsin to symmetrical damage would change things. Yes, there's still plenty of healing available to Warlocks, and it's still a game changing effect, but at least they can't just just vomit their hand of self damage cards onto the field completely willy-nilly.
zeddy thought nerfing concierge to 4 wont do anything to concierge druid because "they always have spare mana left anyway" , basically any nerf that isnt as blunt as a sledgehammer is too subtle for him, he always complains about nerfs being too light and then the decks end up dead because surprise, you dont need to vindictively butcher a deck for it to become less/non viable
Ya I think making it symetrical is the perfect change. You only get two health stones, and you usually need to use at least 1 of them just to stay alive with demon seed as is. He is drastically underselling how strong the immune on your own turn effect part of the demon seed is.
Making it symmetrical kills the deck imo.
So, Shaman is going from 62% win rate to 61. Druid still has unlimited ramp and Sonya turns are getting pushed back one turn. Complete incompetence from the devs as usual
Ethereal Oracle dodged the nerf again due to new expansion card privileges…
they are changing tamsin to deal damage to both sides, which is why they are touching dark glare as well. with the damage being to both sides it means dark glare is still useful after completing the quest line and could potentially cause a otk style effect with refreshing mana at the end of the game after the tamsin is played.
They finally heard Zeddy with Sonya, i think oracle is dodging well the nerf.
Actually it's dodging the ner hammer
Sonya gets nerf like chaman is not the main issue atm
Fill your hand with backstabs is my suggestion. also they are unlikely to do Tamsin's mana as the other rewords all cost 5
Tansim does not need to be 5 seriously, Seven at the least
All the hand may be too much. I think 2 backstab at 3 mana (3/3) and removing the "undamaged minon only" text. Would make it a nice card, not too amazing, and is still remaining too situational.
@@SpencerXYZMC i was saying that it is unlikely to happen not that it would be a bad change
So salty oracle wasn’t nerfed that card enables way too much for the mana cost😊
devs dunno what they are doing obviously
Thanks for the headsup Zeddy. Decided to play Demon Seed for the first time ever just now so that I could get all of the healthstone and Mass Production achievements done. Took 1 game. Apparently it's the high skill cap of the deck is what drives everyone to play it.
Not saying darkglare doesn't deserve a nerf, but what really pushed darkglare over the line is healthstone. Without healthstone healing for 20+ each time, there's a window to smorc the deck down. That said, the demonseed definatly needs a nerf. If a deck can't kill within 2 turns of Tamsin being played, it's usually game over.
A demonseed nerf + healthstone ban is what i would have wanted. Depending on how they nerf the demon seed, a darkglare nerf and keeping healthstone might not slow the deck down fast enough for slower equally degenerate decks to beat it (looking at you hostage mage)
@@Maverick7613 laughing loud as you pay 7 mana for a tech card which gives the hostage mage the time to set up their lethal as you can't get enough damage through solid alibi
Of all the Druid nerfs they could’ve gone with, they go after the shitty win more one that’s gonna get rotated anyway inna couple months? I’d feel less insulted if nothing in Druid got hit.
It stops dungar for a turn at least
Ethereal Oracle is a sweet card and I’m glad they’re not nerfing it. Nerfing every single neutral card with a high play rate is not the way
that single card is basically the entire expansion, all their new archetypes are really weak (libram is okay now that its been buffed at least, and discover hunter is actually good now but its only a few new cards)
The problem is there is too much draw in the game. No one ever runs out of cards anymore
At this point i would change demon seed, that it basicallyis as hard to complete, as it was on release, but i would change the reward to: Whenever you take damage on your turn, your opponent does too.
Nerfing Crystal Cluster makes no sense, it's not the card that is overpowered, it's the card it enables.
Just do dungar to ten and make crystal cluster 7
And the other cards that let you ramp into it.
I think its a pretty good nerf though. The other ramp cards are overpriced technically but getting to 10 mana on 6 mana crystals is just absurd with early ramp. I could imagine that they don‘t increase the cost but actually cut off a whole mana crystal, because it is very versatile with its second effect.
@Loathe777 making it only get out two crystal elementals would kinda make it not useful, you kinda want that third so you can fill up with restoration station, have the clusters fill up three and then have one spot for yogg or kiljaeden that turn
It’s also rotating in like a month It’s so pointless
Honestly, just rotate Zilliax early at this point. 6 nerfs is embarrassing.
QL Warlock is the only deck I autoconcede sometimes while my Legendclimb with bonusstars. It's just a dumb, unfun experience. Because of the QL all the games feel similar. I was so bored with the deck lately that I couldn't even look at them while they went about their stupid quest steps. So it's good to see they do more serious nerfs on it.
A good change for Sonya would be to reduce her cost to 3 mana, however the cards she generates can no longer cost 0, they must cost 1
I wish they’d do away with so much mana being refreshed, being able to have more than 10 mana, etc, miss how the game used to be
for tamsin you need to cap it to once per turn
If they don't fix arena, I'm still not playing. It's in such a bad state because of DK, there is just no point in playing except fi you draft mage or DK.
i main rogue and i get that sonya is annoying and frustrating but really rogue has struggled without these mad apm decks ever since whizbangs. i dont know rogue will cope with this and the buff to talgath will no nothing the cards effect is useless. I really hate the direction with rogue of being scammy instead of feeling fair to play as how swingy the class is. Hope some changes come with the next core set.
If you watched the World Championship games last weekend, the Rogue games are the most fun to watch. From its popularity despite bad win rate, I believe many people are enjoying it.
the problem is that rogue as a class is designed to be less straightforward and simple in its playstyle than most other classes, this ends up leading to a lot of rogue decks being high APM/skill expression, which evidently everyone hates and so there is nothing left to play unless they print some really good aggro cards for it
@@DaXurk I would rather see more Sonia Rogue than Pirate Rogue.
@@cuihenggang same, but your average complainer thinks its unfair when good piloting actually makes a deck more likely to succeed, they want "fair" decks where you basically see a green card and you play a green card until you have no more green cards in hand and then you end turn, repeat this 6-7 times and either lose or win
i do think that with the success of Starship Rogue now being as good as peak power Excavate, the class actually has a real option outside of Sonya (and Swarthy Swordshiner to a lesser extent), so it's probably the best timing they've ever had for removing the load-bearing busted card
Make Talgath give 2 backstabs, I think that would make him pretty good
Make him double damage even not full health minions
The fact that even at 3 mana is still worse than the neutral epic card.
Man, my favorite part of talgath was doubling it with sonya for the insane comebacks it could give
What about the sigil pirates getting rush instead of charge? Lowers some of the burst that deck can do into an empty board.
Rip the John hearthstone rouge deck that was showcased days ago. Sonya was a major piece of that deck
I hope they gut the demon seed. That card should never have been made.
How enigmatic.
I have a huge list of cards that should have been nerfed before the bible was written.
Shadowstep should not cost 0 ...EVER.Sonya only give back max 1 card or kick it right out of Standard.Rogue needs so many nerfs it was drawing most of it's deck before other classes barely got going that is so stupid broken it is sad they allowed it.
Sargeras should be nerfed or better yet give us cards to ANSWER these powerful plays like WHY am I playing another player if I can't do anything about his plays?
The HS team should start using some common sense when designing cards if yo uwant to give a card a powerful affect that can decide the game right then and there at least make the player have to EARN it's ability similar to how ou had to for example play a certain amount of dragons to play Zarini.
HS is a NON interactive game so you have to actually give an opponent a CHANCE to answer what the other player is doing and it is a SIMPLE fix give certain powerful cards a sickness turn meaning the oppoenent gets to actually do something about it on their turn or better yet gives us a STACK and counter cards.
This really makes me lose hope for the game. I don't know... definitely going to take a break until the mini set arrives - maybe until rotation. Shaman and Druid every game killed my desire to play the game completely. I don't get how this is the "solution" they came up with. No unkilliax nerf, no dungar nerf, not taking away ramp from the gift, no pop-up book nerf and no oracle nerf. Mind-blowing how fucked this is.
I am confused on why Sonya is being nerfed. From what I understand, each class has its own special abilities. With Druid you have ramp, with Mage you have spells. With rogue you have the ability to bounce cards back to your hand. To you playing rogue is just a cheat session with no response from your side. Yet looking at the meta, you consistently see rogue being on the bottom of the meta. Now I can see your response being that at high legend rogue is a problem. But this shows that rogue takes much skill in order for it to perform well. So explain to me why nerfing one of premiere cards in the rogue class is so impactful if the class is consistently at the bottom or near it?
Because there's no skill involved in endlessly cycling Griftah with Breakdance and Shadowstep, grabbing 800 "deal 6 damage" amulets... which ALSO trigger Sonya (since they're 1-mana) to make 800 more 0-mana copies of "deal 6 damage"... a protozoan with a limp pseudopod could reliably play Sonya/Griftah Rogue
Its about how well you pilot the deck. For example druid is pretty simple. Ramp twice survive throw Dungar. You basically play a card per turn. Not much to think about. With rogue from turn 5 you draw/discover/play at least 10 cards. This can overwhelm the player if he doesn't know what/when/why to play or pick on every situation. That on the other hand overwhelms the enemy if you know what to do. That translates in higher ranks people are better with this limitless deck. The winrates in hsreplay are not the whole truth. This might have 30% in Plat and 65 or 70% in high legend.
Finally Sonya will be a 2/2 : D
The Demon Seed - removed.
A man can dream
Prediction: Lynessa Paladin is gonna be the new swarm shaman
Zilliax the safest craft there has ever been. I always craft it golden and then DE it again next time it gets nerfed.
I'm glad they're finally balancing Wild.
Change Talgath to Combo. Remove a minion on the board. 🎉
They need to ban Crystallizer for Warlock, that card is too strong in demon seed decks. 1 mana deal 5 heal 5 is insane.
no hunter nerfs is surprising, also I am expecting another nerf to ziliax in Haywire/Power module
Pfft. Wanting Demon Seed nerfed while all these other win Turn 5/6 decks, noninteractable combo decks, or unlimited freeze mage is around is definitely a choice.
I pulled Sonya, disenchanted it, re crafted it, disenchanted it again and re crafted it again, lol
I'm sad because warlocks does not really have a good quest at all. I like quests in general.
I am surprised that skydiving is on the block I haven't run into demon hunter or aggressive shaman like at all But I am definitely with you on the whole kill druid no talent hack ramp into unkillable board that shit makes me want to be a taste tester at smith and wesson
They’re going to give Sonya’s effect to Talgath
Talgath is getting buffed, we’re doomed
Sonya nerfed to work with any mana cost card.
MTG has existed for over 20 years and been critiqued by pros the entire time the STACK is a MUST have in a player versus player game but this HS team I assume can't do it becuase of copyright but as I said there is a way around it just have played cards go through a sickness turn give the opponent a chance to react and not just let Rogue play 30+ mana worth of cards on turn 6.Give me access to counter cards a chance to remove card going through a sickness phase.
In other words fix your crummy game design.
They really need to introduce some kind of mechanic where you can react in enemy's turn. Rogues been playing the game by themselves.
One nerf i would have liked to see with zilliax is one that i have seen on Reddit where someone recommended what if we change the perfect module and the virus module to be a battlecry. so the modules say:
Perfect Module: Battlecry: Gain divine, rush, taunt and livesteal.
Virus Module: Battlecry: Gain poisonous, reborn and elusive.
Would make it so the Reborned copy would only be a vanilla 4 attack 1 Health minion without effects and you can't resummon Zilliax over and over again with Hydrationstation because Zilliax wouldn't be originally a Taunt Minion. PLUS, if Doctor Boom, rest in Peace or Sasquack would revive it OR if you summon it with chemical spill, it wouldn't have its powerful effects and instead just be a vanilla minion. so its still maybe a toxic or atleast strong card when played but you can't cheat it out so easily and even if. once its over you (For the most part) dont have a problem with it again.
I am in general kinda disliking Ziliax as a card which also maybe comes from the fact that the last three matches i lost only to Dungar druid but even without it its Toxic as hell. But thats just a recommendation i have for the Unkilliax version.
Sorry for any grammer or spelling mistake. english is not my mother language so i may havesome mistakes in my comments.
literally none of the top 12~ decks right now even use perfect or virus when they use Ziliax, its just straight up either Pylon + Ticking or Power + Haywire, whats with all the pearl clutching over modules that dont even lead to great decks to begin with?
Still waiting for the primary mechanic of the expansion to be viable, dont know why we arent buffing space ships
they did, and they still suck ass, they spent a whole patch basically trying to get starship rogue to be good and failed, and now they have the briliant idea of nerfing other bad rogue decks as well
Tamsin first or 2 first damage itself deal random damage enemy
Keep up the good work, Zeddy
i wish for wild they did nerf Big shaman, after quest warlock nerf its gonna be nr 1
maybe holy wrath dmg cap would be good as highroll 100 dmg still is a thing as early as turn 3 - 5
biology project and ysiel too could be hit
But what about all my extra ethereal oracles 😢
I know people enjoy demon seed. But enough is enough. The deck completely dominates every wild deck
No, it really doesn't. In fact, the deck is fairly mediocre in diamond / legend because decks like Pirate Demon Hunter, Shadow Priest, etc, just completely shit on it 99.99% of the time.
@@mrchicken5943 congratulations. It still is ruining wild and dominates every deck that isn't hyper aggro and still often beats those decks
I always concede against Demon Seed, i hate that card
the 2 mana, draw 2, with spell damage and a 2/3 minion not being nerfed... crazy. make it either, a 1/1, no spell damage or only draws one spell. easy. also uh·thereal ;)
It’s 3 mana, not 2
Disappointed the mystery egg nerf is sticking around. The deck was already slow and RNG based(love it when my first 2-4 egg procs are sasquak even tho I have all other targets in deck leading me to have no real plays) and now the deck is even slower as now typically you have to wait an extra turn to summon anything from your egg. I haven’t even seen anyone else even attempt to play egg hunter on ladder since it’s nerf. Also where is the buff to gorm?
The egg nerf is deserved
Not having to deal with literally infinite free 5/2’s with rush that clear everything and build boards simultaneously is good for the game.
Wild players rejoice!
When will we address that the game is inherently unfair because it allows you to do too much with ZERO INPUT OR INTERACTION from your opponent
no Shaman nerf, what a joke
Honestly as someone who played quite a lot of DewmonSeed, I think changing the reward to ALSO damage the enemy might make the deck a lot weaker in most instances... that combined with a darkglare nerf might be what we need
How many times have they nerfed the demon seed? Worst card design ever, they should Just rework the card or remove It from the game
Zeddy - seriously brother... Oracle isn't that OP. Really the only deck that can abuse it are the crazy combo Rogue decks... and if they hit Sonya hard enough (take away the ability to use it on spells) and Oracle just becomes a standard "good" all-around neutral card.
Unkilliax seriously needs the triple keyword Modules to become Choose One on Battlecry - six keyword immortal minions are absolutely bonkers.
Can’t wait for warrior to be even more unplayable! Yay 🤗
they will nerf sonya attack
Lol, I would love that
Well, it’s a start.
Nerf Demon seed to 30/30/30
I predict another month full of Dungar spam :))))))))))
And then they attack me for criticizing Dungar :))))))))
Another nerf? Sigil DH is a pain... aggro shaman didn't really need a nerf but whatever. Just make it go to 3.
Aggro shaman is literally the top meta deck right now, a nerf is fair.
@@chaosjimthevoidlord3762 I already dislike standard and am only running that because it's cheap and the next highest win rate deck gets whompstomped - and don't wanna craft jack shit for *standard* mode to endure that stupid quest... I might grind standard, again, someday for purposes of achievements, dunno.
the community of hearthstone cries too much, demon seed already been nerfed soo many times and the players not satisfied, the same thing to ice block, you don't know secret eater the 4 mana card.
sonya, the only barely good legendary in rogue currently, lets hope is just 1 mana nerf and no the effect, being 1 mana cards is very specific to be changed
sonya isnt even good which makes the calls for nerfs even more confusing, hell the best rogue legendary right now is still mimiron from TITANS
@@DaXurkSonya is 100% good, the scams she allows is too much.
DEMON SEED IS DYING WE ARE IN A GOOD TIMELINE BOYS!!!!!
bann Healthstone from wild
Sonya becomes a 2/2.
Great, Sonya, a card that wasn’t doing anything, nerfed, thanks zeddy, never watching you again.
Why you acting like he's the one nerfing them lol
you dont get it bro it opens up design space if she gets nerfed trust me bro things will be so much better if sonya and shadowstep didnt exist bro blizzard will definitely make rogue strong bro
Sonya was doing a lot actually
She’s been letting rogue scam an absolute shit ton of extra value and damage for essentially free
And yet druid is untouched. Typical
Crystal cluster is a druid card, it got touched, a tiny amount but it was tweaked
@chaosjimthevoidlord3762 they'll just replace it with another ramp card. You either ramp until you play dungar and win or get addro'd down
Dungar is the problem. I don't know what are they thinking... Cluster doesn't even matter. Point is if they draw Dungar or not... Could have been very easily nerfed by mana limiting the dudes he brings. Bring 3 6- cost not 3 steroid guys.
I don't understand why the nerfs keep coming. The issue at the heart of gameplay is that decks are going to continue to be copied as long as the internet exists.
I dont think crystal cluster should be nerf. Its the other card that says "gain two mana crystal next turn only." Thats the problematic card
Crystal cluster allows druid to just ramp for 3 turns and then drop dungar, it getting a nerf makes sense even if it isn’t the most problematic card
I would change Tamsin to an aura effect. When she’s gone, the reward is gone.
Why don't we just delete DH from the game. Uselss class except aggro and now nerfed.
Team 5 are solitaire enjoyers and hate the aggro archetype.
Attack demon hunter still alive and well, and I think more powerful than pirate demon hunter.
@@Vigilant_warrior_08 - I mean... attack DH is just hero aggro rather than minion aggro... it doesn't play fundamentally different. Literally the only "different" DH archetype I can recall there being was when they did the whole minion-less build... token spam and face damage from deck/hand... which was still a weird sort of aggro build... DH has had a handful of control/tempo types of cards (like the one that burns 2 mana crystals of your opponent for a turn)... but, those were really just support to ensure your aggro build had board control for the kill.
Once per game needs to be added to many battlecry minions and x per turn needs to be added to many persistent effects
lol nerfing sonya is the key xD lol the decks that running sonya isnt even above 50% wr thats frustrating asf to play aginst dungar or paladin with 3 expansions before card sett with holy board in turn 5 they are keep nerfing bullshit the game is poor games are too short and extremly fast
Perhaps Charge will be removed from the skydiving pirates?
I wish
Any patch where Rogue suffers and is made unplayable is a good one. They will make anything unfun or use broken combos to just steal wins. Bit of a long time coming. Demon Seed going is just a start I hope, as the deck needs to just be gutted to the point of unplayability.
When you think they stole your win, they might actually have been ahead as they have their combo set up.
"every patch that reduces deck diversity is a good one" me when im in a bad game design competition and my opponent is a youtube commenter:
also "bit of a long time coming" is hilarious when the class has been consistently one of the 3 worst classes for around 4 expansions
@@cuihenggangSonya does just steal wins, she’s scams so much extra value and damage it’s not fair or fun to play against watching your opponent just play solitaire until you blow up
@@DaXurk visited hsreplay is not a research. Far from the worst class. Most difficult to pilot? Surely. That translates really well in winrates per rank. Rogue might have 30% on Plat and 70% on legend. Just cause you see rogue on 40-50% doesn't mean that's the whole truth.
HealthStone shouldbe nerf- that card make me sick in Wild
No Dungar nerf? 😭
Crystal cluster is an indirect nerf as it lets druid just ramp turn 2, 3 and 4, then drop dungar
Hope they fix their game otherwise will be empty this time in 1 year from now. They managed to kill all modes even battlegrounds, don't care about players.
Bruh, I just crafted cards for the demon seed deck. Why must they nerf it now that I’ve finally accepted they’re never gonna do that?!? (I crafted cards around the demon seed, not the demon seed itself so no refund for me)
lol changing tamsin's text would be such a cuck move from blizz
it would destroy the deck, but i dont think it would be that bad, this cards has been a problem for years
I just started playing cycle rogue sadge
NOO SONYA GETTING NERFED JALEX WILL BE SAD NOOOOOOOOOOOOO :(
She deserves it
I know we want the Oracle nerfed. But just remember, that game state can't afford for it to be 4cost, BECAUSE OF SONYA
? how
@DaXurk The same reason Griffta gets played in rogue: because Sandbox Scoundrel (and its mini) can make 4cost things, only 1mana. I get that you never played in the old days of Miracle Rogue, but please sit and think about the implications of Sonya giving rogue multiple extra ZeroDrop copies of "spellburst: draw 2 spells; spell damage +1"
@@DaXurk In other words, do you WANT a repeat of Quazar Rogue, but even more consistent? (Nobody does) Cuz making the Oracle 4 mana is how that happens
@@caseystafford6750 I played miracle rogue, but the game has moved far beyond just "getting to play a ton of cards = win" which is why both quasar and cycle rogue suck ass lmao, youre right that i dont want a repeat of quasar rogue, but thats because that deck had a sub 50% WR and was a low tier 3 meme, I think rogue should get an actual good deck as it has gotten nothing but garbage for 3 expansions straight
3 or 4 mana doesn't make any difference for sonya, because shadow step make it costs 1 too.
making it 4 mana isn't the best nerf anyway (to me at least). The best ways are either removing the spell damage or making it draw 1. By making this maybe it could also become a 2 costs minion.
Btw sonya is getting nerfed we don't know how, yet, but sonya surely doesn't influence the fact that oracle can't cost 4 mana.
Not. Fast. Enough.
This is why HS is dying. Nerfs to all the fun decks
Fun?
Hyper aggro draw card go face, scam solitaire, scam 20+ mana on turn 5, and auto win against any non hyper aggro deck with self damage that isn’t actually self damage for 0 mana
That’s fun?
@ sounds like someone has never had 11 stars and has never wasted 30 minutes+ only to lose to thief priest randomly generating perfect answers to your deck. Come back when you don’t have 12 hours a day to waste on grinding d5 to legend
I had just created Sonya 🤡
Free refund
@@chaosjimthevoidlord3762 Not only did I craft Sonya, but also several more legendaries from the ship rogue deck 🥲
Unkilliax needs to lose elusive.
just one more nerf bro I swear just one more nerf I swear the fifth one would be last I swear bro just one more nerf please
@ most of them were the wrong nerfs and the card is technically 3+ cards in one.
Damage on your turn also affects your opponent. Or maybe make it 8 mana 4/4
Pretty good . We will see what happens. Demon Seed is a loser card so hopefully it gets destroyed.
by loser card do you mean that you lose against it all the time
No, I don’t play wild . It’s been a card only played by the biggest of losers ever since it came out. Like Shudderwock, only the bottom of the barrel would ever play the card.
when you say the bottom of the barrel do you mean the top of legend
@@DaXurk Not necessarily, though it certainly can be the case. What Im talking about specifically, are the hordes of sheeple that play just the most broken decks in wild. The real losers in life.
First whoop whoop
Got to watch the zeddy rant
Perfection requires some tweaking