Safe Streets for All - Bringing Dutch Transportation Planning to Bend
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- Опубліковано 2 сер 2023
- Hosted by Bend Bikes. Sjors van Duren explains how transportation planning philosophy in the Netherlands can help Bend improve by reducing congestion and improving active modes like cycling and walking. By creating streets which flow at a slower but more consistent rate, higher volumes of traffic by vehicle, bike/ped, and transit and each be accommodated. Separating fast and slow traffic at the street-level and network-level increases the safety and comfortability of the streets and also creates amazing places to live.
And don't forget, drivers in the Netherlands are also riding a bicycle so they know where to look or how to avoid conflict.
One interresting upside of these street reforms to reduce asphalt, is that while the renovation is more expensive than just fixing potholes, it reduces long term maintainance bills
He is like a missionary of cycling. Haha as a Dutch guy that loves visiting the USA this is so cool. I hope Bend is open for such a thing.
Prima video! Even a Dutch citizen learns from this informative prensentation!
One thing he doesn't really talk about is how we also have separate bus lines on the bigger main roads running through the major cities. This really stimulates the use of public transportation like buses, even within the city, because it will be faster than being stuck in traffic. And also, in The Netherlands, we WILL close down main roads for these projects if needed.
I'm just 24 minutes in but this is en excellent presentation! Feeling a bit of pride here as a Dutch guy. We don't really think we are so smart, but we are.
8:51. groetjes uit zwolle
15:39 Kinda proud as someone born and raised in Delft as well ;)
You think .hha. No .
nooit door gehad dat als je over de grens gaat, dat het allemaal... gewoon net wat slechter is
naja "we" wat betekent dat
I'm Dutch and I agree with this presentation, even from my wheelchair/handbike perspective!
Orange pill in high concentration. Great presentation and gives a lot to think. I wonder where other countries can find such dedicated urban planners.
Of course 80% of the people in the comment section are Dutch (like myself...) Shows you that this is a topic that interests us a lot and want to learn more about even if our current infrastructure is already class leading.
Hoi, jij ook hier? 😂
the circlejerking just makes us look like dicks....
i hope Jason at 'not just bikes'' got to see this
He has seen it, this isn't the first time this presentation was done... it is the practice for over 15 years.
You just have stuck your heads in the behinds of the oil and car companies, they pay your wages and bleed you dry by using their product. Is it a perfect loop for them.
The important thing about the Netherlands is that car drivers are also bike users. Bend needs to persuade car drivers to take up bikes. Not to give up their cars or start using buses instead but to increase the number of modes available. But zoning also needs to accommodate bikes. Lowering the distance between homes and retail/office/industry is also important.
The up side too is that car drivers can emphasise with cycles because almost every car driver is also a cyclist here in the Netherlands. Also when I cycle I am more aware of the dangers.
@@irenehabes-quene2839 did you mean sympathise? Not emphasize?
Best presentation on road infrastructure I have seen.
He brings it really well. It's not neccesarily accomodating bicicles, it is making sure that motorists don't have to deal with them.
that is indeed the mindset you need in car driven thinking america
It is about making all humans equally important and safe, not just the commercial interests of car manufacturers and big box stores.
It is also about effective use of government funds and a continuous aim to keep improving.
Never assume what you currently have is the best, always look for improvements.
41:40 I never knew but I did notice. I always thought it was some kind of coincidence, or I was just lucky, but turns out it isn't. It's absolutely fantastic because you feel much more secure to drive when you don't have to panic at the stopping light because of an arriving emergency vehicle.
Loved this presentation. Even as a Dutch I've had some great insights from this, like a behind the scenes. Thank you for sharing!
Also I'd like to add: Thank you. From the bottom of my heart. I've always been grateful about our beautiful infrastructure, and how lovely it is it's getting the praise it deserves. You have all done a wonderful job together.
Brilliant start even Sjors. Well done to try to define 'fietsen' for people. From a Dutchie and former Oregonian.
Could listen to him for hours
The building of the railway underpass. Wow.
This is part of a bigger movement. A lot of railways in the Netherlands are the legacy of the 19th and early 20th century leaving a lot of level crossings in place.
The introduction of the modern motorway (or highway) after the Second World War has introduced the notion of grade separation to improve traffic flow and safety. Eventually this led to rethinking railways as motorways, to have them grade separated from other modes as much as possible.
In line with this thought came separated bicycle paths and eventually bicycle highways.
Its very cool to see this movement about changing infrastructure to suit people in general over just cars. Not quite seeing it pick up speed in actual building yet but its a step by step process and as a dutch national I follow it with great interest
This is the best and most entertaining presentation I ever have seen on cycling! Very nice and it inspires me. I can't wait to take a ride tomorrow😀
Making arterial roads attractive to cars in the Netherlands is two-edged. It takes you around the city center, so while driving you're always a bit detached from the place your moving through.
But then again, the cycling is so much nicer. Totally worth it imho.
Seeing the transformation of Driebergen-Zeist over the decades of visiting/living in the Netherlands is a testament to Dutch planning. You found the right chords for this story…
People from the usa are proud on there second ammendment, we dutchies are proud of our cycling infrastructure.
Good presentation, lets promote this world wide!
Great presentation, now I have more ammunition to push better steet planning/design at the city I work at!
This is wonderful. I'd love to see this happen in Roseburg along with better zoning for higher density.
Yes, zoning laws are very important for the overall picture.
Actually they are the reason US cities are so shit. Can’t have a corner shop or pub or whatever, because “not allowed”. No you have to go to the area that is zoned for stores, where there is nothing else.
@@SillieWous Exactly, more mixed-use zoning would be great! Then I believe the Dutch method of road and transportation planning would be possible here in Roseburg. Don't get me wrong, it's only one step of many to help improve things.
I live near Roseburg and yeah I would love to see that town get better, it's got some decent bike lanes and bike paths and what-not; there are some interesting places to eat at and downtown Roseburg is especially decent; but for the most part it's all just kind of a stroad infested shit hole.
Would this be Roseburg, Oregon or Roseburg, Germany?
I don't know how I ended up here but this was a really nice talk! Thanks :D
This is a great video! One of the best I have seen on cycling infrastructure, or may be it's better to say fietsinfrastructuur.
Nice video, greetings from The Netherlands 🙂
This is a wonderful presentation. Wish all city’s would take a look at this.
very good, more of this! nice glance to the future of some places that could be more very where
Besides my other comments, I want to say this was very interesting for me to listen to and I love how passionate Sjors seems to be in his work!
We need this in Eugene & Springfield, too. There’s a big proposal for redoing Main Street in Springfield, and Dutch input is sorely needed.
I have an idea to route traffic around downtown Springfield and close it to most traffic, and to develop downtown Springfield to look similar to Broadway & Pearl in Eugene.
I'm from the Netherlands and do almost everything by bicycle. I cycle to work about 7.5 miles from home on my long distance bicycle (not an e-bike) and do my shopping on my transporter bicycle which I also use to get into town. But I avoid some places in the center of the city of Utrecht where I live during rush hours because the roads do not allow the number of cyclists to flow properly there. It's a mad house sometimes. There are still far too many places like that in the cities. You also see in the video that dozens of cyclists have to wait to cross an intersection and block other paths and hinder other cyclists and pedestrians.
In that sense the Netherlands truly is a victim of it's own succes.
Eventually, especially in the centers of larger cities, you just run out of space...
edit: Isn't Utrecht working on alternative routes to spread cycling traffic around the inner city?
still much better then cars everywhere. also implementation of improvements goes to slow. this needs to be sped up.
I live in a Dutch city that's usually in the top 3 nationally for biking cities. It's also a destination for city planners world wide as it has been done so well. Biking is faster than taking the car, and very safe. Not because they made the cars go slow or ban them, but just by how they designed the roads.
Great points about putting cyclists in front of mobilists (where they're visible) and prioritizing traffic. Optically having cars slow down. Because its not about stopping traffic, its keeping everone moving safely. And sometimes you have to make tough decisions. Love from Den Bosch
What I always find underdeveloped/undermentioned when taking about implementing better functioning infrastructure is the impact of culture. The reason that the shown examples of improvements in infrastructure work is that they were not implemented in a vacuum. As was mentioned in the video, the community was included when proposing changes and a lot of research was done before the proposals were made. This is possible because the culture of the community/country plays a big part in the success of these endeavours. Changing a culture is a huge undertaking (if it works at all) if there is no need or if there are other priorities that take precedence.
The culture of the Netherlands was changed from the inside out ever since the 70s and as multiple generations slowly got acclimatised and subjected to the idea of using bikes as the best mode of transportation for short trips and to integrate commercial with urban zones to give easier access to the daily needs of people (food, drinks etc) the culture of bike use emerged and anchored itself into society.
This doesn't mean that many options of improving infrastructure are unusable outside that culture. It is however a point that needs to be taken into account implementing and pushing these changes.
Education is important but also the social aspect, when you have a more socially aware culture where the goal is to improve as much for a large group of people instead of serving the goal of the few who are able and have the means to do so, expectation will not be met and projects will be cancelled simply due lack of willingness to put effort into changing behaviour. In a culture where individualism is highly appreciated the role of the community will be less appreciated.
Very informative video👍👍. Thanks for sharing.
1:25:40 The fastfood after school sounds amazing, especially het broodje Döner
I went to study in Nijmegen (and stil life there now), its really cool to see, remember the things Sjors talks about. I didn't particularly see them as massive changes but I can totally see (and experience) that they improve the experience as a 'fietser'/cyclist. I would also note that Nijmegen itself isn't the best posterchild when promoting cycling-culture if that makes sense. The large motorway practically through the city is very outdated and civil planners would never construct it like that nowadays.
Stil very cool, very fun
A 135 subscribed channel is flooded by a tsunami of Not Just Bikes fans, wow!
Brilliant. Love the red surface. I would like to see USA go red with bike paths, currently they're adopting bright green.
I think this presentation is a bit older already; most traffic lights in Nijmegen have bike detectors now. In low traffic situations, bikes almost never have to stop unless at major intersections. Several traffic lights also respond to rain, letting cyclists wait even shorter when it rains.
There's so much info packed in here that I really doubt the majority of the audience retained all of it. I think they're the ones who are supposed to implement it, so I hope you gave them like a booklet summarizing and reminding them. Then again I guess they could rewatch this video
Another thing I want to mention is that in tenders you can really challenge the market. You can of course describe exactly what you want, but you can also say, this as an example: I want to have a possibility to cross a river. And you ask the market for a solution. And I know from experience that sometimes very creative solutions come up.
Also great idea by the lady at the end. Creating one or three bikelanes which are engaging and beautiful to ride to give people a taste. Like from a village nearby straight to a school, city centre or trainstation. And good comment by the gentleman, you want public transport and cyclist interaction minimized because buses and cargo trucks are large
Yeah, but you do want the bus, train, and bike system to be interconnected as well, as in they should function to strengthen eachother.
Bicycles are great to connect public transport hubs with the area around them.
@@rogerwilco2 This stuff isn't mentioned enough. And even the Dutch have only recently started taking it seriously. I think he should have talked about it more, especially in a suburban context.
The picture at 5:50 if I am not mistaken, was taken in the city of Arnhem which has amazing bike infrastructure and it has been my pleasure to work there for a while. I used that weird lookinjg bike roundabout quite a few times. It is literally surrounded by roads with seperated bike lanes and it was not only extremely efficient but also a nice break from cycling through streets designed for cars on my commute from the train station to the office.
Seen the laughs from the public at key design features mentioned by Sjors, it seems to me that people central designing is a totally new concept for Americans. Maybe that’s why many parts of America look bloody ugly, and The Netherlands looks quite often very nice. It’s designed with people in mind, not dollars.
No, in Oregon we actually have a planning department for every city in the state and every urban area is required to have planning guidelines for the next 20 years, which address is transportation land use housing and so on. We aren't as backwards as Texas.
Looking at the mentioned intersections on google they seem really small, 2nd and hawthorn, looks like there is so much space to make hawthorn really nice, but it also doesn't look like there's much traffic there.
Those are communicating vessels. Create alternatives for the car, and Lo and Behold, there will be less cars! Bikes are really much more efficient in moving people than cars in terms of required real estate.
As of Aug. 2023. avg. gasoline cost is $8.50/ gallon in the Netherlands and $3.85 in the U.S. ( €7.76 /gal ; $2.25/litre; €2.05 Euro/ litre.) I think this contributes to the popularity of cars in the U.S. and bikes in the Netherlands. Any U.S. politician who even hints at raising the price of gasoline with taxes for conservation or climate change IS TOTALY WASHED UP and hounded out of office. U.S. people cruise around in heavy fuel guzzlers and they love it. It's even difficult to live in most of the U.S. without a car. Their society is utterly dependent on cars. Most of their country is covered by ugly urban sprawl with vast car parking areas. If a U.S. bloke doesn't have or want a car, he can't have a date or get married; he is seen as a bum, non- person, migrant, or weirdo. A bicycle is mostly seen as a kids' toy or a sporting utensil for a few geeks wearing lycra shorts, most of them effete gays like the bloke in this video wearing that girls' headband. Heaven help U.S. people when the oil gets scarce and expensive.
Higher tax for gasoline pays for the road cost and for the environmental compensation. However it is a bit harder to do in the USA the distances are much further apart, but it might still not be a bad idea to raise the taxes slightly. To dissuade from using the oversized cars that might be driven with slightly less care.
The point is that it doesn't have to stay that way.
But it might be easier to get political change in the Dutch election system.
_I'm partly addressing SteffiReitsch and more importantly those whom might be locals reading the comment section._
From my understanding the main reason why American gas prices are so low is not because of the lack of taxation but from government subsidies given to the oil and gas industry. So to help fix the situation we're currently in the first step would be to end those subsidies. But changing things at the national level before changing things locally, like at the city level, would prove to be impossible. However, I do agree that car culture will definitely stand in the way of progress among many others like oil, gas, and automobile lobbyists and reluctant politicians whom would like to keep their career in politics. Luckily from what I've seen car culture is on the decline.
As for the American society in general, I believe we're currently seeing change as we speak. Look at the current popularity of Dutch City Planning. There have been small projects to alleviate car dependency, it's no where near enough. However, People are talking about it and want it. It just needs to move on from the UA-cam comment section to conversations with friends/Family and ultimately to your city hall. Real change starts locally like in Bend where it could spread across the state to towns and cities like my own, Roseburg, OR. So there is still hope for change. Just give it time and more importantly some effort.
Nothing will change if you do nothing to change it.
Even then, you can't do it alone.
@@RivenWine AAAHAHAHAHAHAH Very little change going on, pops. Millions upon millions of cars/trucks in the U.S. driven around with only one person in each car. Neighborhoods and towns are far flung with vast urban sprawl everywhere. There's no way else to get around. Americans are used to it and that's all they know. It's a civilization built upon a finite resource that's trickling away. The collapse is going to be ugly.
I really wished I could give you more thumbs up!
What i'm always missing in these presentations is that we (NL) are not only protecting cyclists with great infrastructure, but also legally. When a car hits a cyclist, he is always guilty in court. When you hit someone you really have a huge problem as a car or truck driver.
Well, it's a bit more complicated than that. According to the Traffic Act (article 185 Wegenverkeerswet 1995) a motorist is liable for damage caused by an accident in which he/she and a cyclist or pedestrian are involved unless in case of force majeure of gross recklessness by the cyclist. Though the motorists has to prove that that is the case and generally that threshold is quite high. So cyclists are indeed legally well protected but that doesn't mean that motorists are per se liable. I use liable because a motorist can be both liable (aansprakelijk) in a civil case yet not guilty (schuldig) in a criminal case.
And also the difference in political systems.
In the Netherlands we have a lot more influence on our politicians than in countries like the USA or UK.
@@rogerwilco2 Yeah, that we've seen over the last 12 years and especially these last few since the beginning of covid!!
Please come to Rotterdam! Here cycling infrastructure stopped developing 30 years ago.
I got the same impression on my visit. But why is that exactly?
@@julianpowers594 the Rotterdam city centre was wiped clear by German bombers in the war, it was subsequently rebuilt for the all-car future. This was before the Dutch cycling boom.
But my impression is that there's been some real effort to un-car the city, at least from my brief visits to the city.
I thought I recognised the mountain. I spent a week nearby in August as a tourist from the Netherlands. We stayed in a house in Boring with a view of that same mountain. Just loved the name of the place, and yes beautiful place but quite boring.
22:55 You see that in my neighborhood a lot now (Rotterdam North), but to be honest I never saw the point of going this far. Even if it is "minor roads", some people will have to drive into those streets and it puzzles me every time I have to, since you have to drive into random other streets to make a u-turn there (because you sometimes you are allowed to cross a street but not go to the left or right, bit hard to explain in just words), or drive around a whole block (through equally small streets) to get to your destination which doesn't solve anything but only makes things worse for everyone in my perception.
Would it be easier to fiets that route? If so, perhaps that is by design to encourage more people to choose to fiets instead of driving a car. One of the early slides in the presentation shows how cars need to go around while fietsers have a more direct route.
Well,the thing is, we as dutchies don't really think about this all the time. Ore we don't even know all this about our traffic system. We take this as common sense and convenience. And sometimes we even expect this to be the case because "where do we pay thay high taxes for " would many people say.
NOT JUST BIKES is an UA-cam account whichwill be very interesting for you to watch.
Please talk to Belgian government, our country can improve alot in terms of road quality/safety/efficiency..
you also can't change it goes in steps , these things you should do in one city, you have make sort same in other city then you level bit more..... its just cultural change also make more heroic bicycle movie :)
1:26:49 parents taking children to school by bike, in a bakfiets for example..r from behindseat on regular bike, the child starts at early age to recognise the city it lives in. Landmarks, sounds of streets, and get at an early age a map in their heads of where they live, and when 8 and go to school alon, they know where to go, where to turn left, because at that appartementbuildin.. and so on...compared to only sky as what a child sees behind the seat of mom or dad driving the car..
Yeah, I agree, we Dutch learn from this. To us it is normal, so a view of an engineer, gives new information.
Notice, all this infrastructure come at a cost, quite high too.
lul niet.
Do you have any figures backing that up because logic dictates that the intangible loss of being stuck in traffic is probably far higher than the investments to improve overall traffic calming, safety and flow.
At 32:47 As a german, I can confirm that.
First thing I saw was: woah, the cyclist is going onto the sidewalk.
Second thing: The cyclists are illegally crossing the red light at the end when the cars get green again.
Third thing: They're blocking the intersection for crossing cyclists instead of waiting at the line.
1:18:18 ..and public transportation like busses get their own lanes, not to be stuck in rush hour trafficjams. To move as much people, not cars as possible.
14:00 What is really important to understand about the political process described here, is that Dutch citizens have a lot of influence on their politics.
The political system is much more responsive than in the USA or UK because of the election system.
that tunnel needs even more paint!
Could turn it into a community art project and commission pieces
I know where The Netherlands are. But Where is Bend?
Central Oregon (Was mentioned @1:29:10 )
My only concern with the cyclist highways is how are motor bikes prevented or restricted from riding at high speeds on them to prevent them from causing a danger to normal cyclists?
What's not mentioned is the legal framework that makes this policy at all possible.
1:32:15 this feels like Cities Skylines lol
Police have legal immunity in the US but planners can get sued.
INSANE!
Why is it so difficult to make proper roads in the US?
cars are more important than people
Where/what the hell is Bend?
Bend, Oregon, USA
I think it was made clear somewhere. It didn't take me long to find out and I live on a different continent!
You can translate fietsen in biking
There ia another big difference in the US if people have the right of way they will take it rightfully, in the Netherlands even if you have the right of way you are not allowed to TAKE it, it means the other one Have to give it .
52:33 cars don't do the shopping, people doe..and coming by car means less people..less customers, one car takes up 15 bike spaces..15 less customers per car..
You have to consider what cities are like.I stay in Dundee Scotland which is like living on a side of a mountain. It is OK going down but you have to push it up all the way back not pleasant even healthy young fit people have to push. It would be good if you live on flat land.
In really hilly cities it can be an issue, but more is possible than you often think.
Now with ebike it’s less of a problem
I may add that I live near Lausanne in Switzerland which is very hilly and has a surprising number of cyclists
Do not underestimate the wind in a completely flat country. Cycling with the wind in your back vs cycling with the wind head on is a similar difference.
I was watching this and I was like. HOLD ON I know this, this is where i live da fuck
Greetings from Almelo
I'm called Sjors too. And now I discover that Americans actually can pronounce my name 🍻
About roundabouts where cyclists have priority.
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Perhaps it feels counter intuitive, but they are much unsafer when compared to roundabouts where cyclists do not have priority.
So not everything proposed it a good idea.
It depends on what you want to promote. Giving cyclists priority at roundabouts is indeed (a bit) less safe then having them stop and wait for vehicles.
Same goes for each and every interaction with vehicles. Make the cyclists (and pedestrian) stop and wait is safer (and more convenient for vehicles). But you won’t get more people riding.
The real safety is in good infrastructure combined with high bicycle usage. Comfort and ease of use in the cycling network help.
That’s why the Dutch center for road safety (CROW) does not oppose priority for cyclists at roundabouts.
@@Sjoesske Well 'a bit' is a bit of an understatement IMHO.
Where I live the roundabouts are not with priority for cyclists.
The influence on people with respect to their choice of means of travel is very very low.
On the other hand put yourself in the position of the truck driver when it gets dark at 17:00h. Add a bit of rain to the mix and it is nearly impossible for them to see all the cyclists.
Even when driving a normal car it is almost impossible.
And to add: the truck driver in the rain brings the danger to the intersection. If he/she has a hard time seeing cyclists and/or pedestrians, he/she should adapt. Slow down. Stop to look.
Don’t put the danger/risks of your vehicle choice on the weaker traffic participant. Everybody should be able to travel in a city.
@@Sjoesske
The issue is not that drivers don't stop.
But that it is an almost impossible task to track all the fast moving cyclists.
The proof is what you admitted. The higher number of accidents.
Ofcourse everyone should be able to travel
But trading safety for a higher number of cyclists is a bad idea.
@@HansPeterSlootwhy would cars yielding be more dangerous than not yielding? Think about it from the other side. If it's hard for a car to see a slow cyclist, how much harder would it be for cyclists to judge whether the car intends to turn or speed through the roundabout. Obviously cars yielding when they turn to leave the roundabout is safer for everyone.
asfalt = Tarmac
priority is a very important point.. even if ( as a motorists ) you stop completely it would be difficult to see or communicate with cyclists or pedestrians. We just don't need accidents, that should be the priority,
not afterwards blame someone and say to a victim you were right
here.. take this amount of money / damages.., and now shut up.
I'm pretty sure he means cycling, biking , thats what motorcyclists do,,lol
No, he actually meant fietsers. You do not have a word for it, other than a cyclist or biker.
The Dutch have two words for a cyclist: fietser and wielrenner. Fietser is the cyclist that goes to shops, a doctor, the accountant, every day stuff where you need to do something, about up to 10km distance one way.
The wielrenner, or 'wheelrunner' are the road cyclists, the sporty stuff.
@@Paul_C The word "cyclist" somehow has negative connotations in England. It would be nice to have a word like fietser.
Great talk, but I'm a bit worried about his health. Sounds like he's constantly out of breath.
Maybe a bit of nerves stnading before a room of people. I have that a bit. Could be the other thing.
He might design cycle networks, but he doesn't look to be a frequent user of those himself. 😊
Hahaha, my condition is fine. We went mountainbiking the day after. I was a bit tense indeed; especially at the beginning. And keep in mind: jetlag + 2 10+hrs days of workshops and discussions on content.
@@Sjoesske Zo gezond als wat en nog intens fietsen ook terwijl je workshops geeft
Everybody does this out of their comfort zone.
Nothing to see here.
Onzin je hebt een keuze..Overal in Europa is benzine duur..
38:00 In reality though, normal Dutch people (ignorant and egocentric as always) will wait on the crossed out part as well, blocking the other cycle lane without giving any copulation. ;)
Biking to school? That will not happen in the US, at least for kids under 16, as parents would be sued for child neglect.
Sued, or prosecuted? In any case they would not, if the authorities and proper infrastructure and training were behind it. And how come old movies from the second half of the 20th century (a car-oriented period) show American kids riding bikes? The paranoia on both sides of the Atlantic is recent and can be reversed. The more people are out on the street as opposed to in cars, the safer it gets.
Are you trolling?
52:30 - people with a car spend more money than people on a bike
This is not true at all
Roundabouts are very dangerous for cyclists. I can say that as a Dutchman. People get killed there, just a week ago a woman was killed by a truck in my hometown. Not the best solution.
One incident doesn't make a system invalid.
They are much safer than most alternatives.
@@Paul_C One incident..only in my hometown almost weekly cyclists gets hurt in round about accidents. One of them has been closed down partially for cars. They realy suck.
@@rogerwilco2 No, as a Dutchman i can say
that it is better to have trafficlights or even better underpasses.
Don't forget in the Netherlands these projects are payed with our tax money, so a social thing a problem in the US and Canada.....
A lot of these projects cost little because they are done at a road/street's 25 year resurfacing date. It speaks volumes when only one place in NA has implemented this so far. I think it was the state or a place inside Massachusetts that did?
"I live in Nijmegen...", that pretty much explains the whole misperception laid out here. Highways in The Netherlands as shown @6:34 do not connect one part of the city with another part of the city, they connect different cities with each other. The Netherlands was never a car oriented country, it was the government that made it that way back in the seventies as they aimed to prevent the forming of metropole areas. In particular for Amsterdam this meant that the city would have to choose between their objective of becoming Europe's main business centre and people. Amsterdam chose business but since this meant they could not provide housing for the employees of those businesses they created dormitory towns, initially existing small towns and eventually a whole new city called Almere. None of these towns are a cycling distance and public transport was in most cases absent and in many cases practically still is. Attempting to get people out of their cars by aiming to annoy them as much as possible is thus just as effective as raising gas prices - unless of course the cost of working outweighs the loss of income experienced by turning to social benefits.
As Sjors explains, the main objective of city planners today is to slow traffic down based on the false assumption that this makes traffic safer. It doesn't, it only enhances the chance of surviving an accident while at the same time increasing the chance that you will be involved in one. Common 'tricks' used is to narrow roads and add S-curves which is they state is to have a psychological effect on drivers that it is dangerous to drive there and so they should adapt (lower) their speed. Should that psychology however work as intended this will also cause the driver to focus on the road rather than on the cyclist that is not paying attention to other traffic at all, or the pedestrian aiming to use a crosswalk. We are thus not making our roads safer but in fact making them less safe based on a concept that was never true to begin with.
Of course slower speeds make traffic safer. Try driving into a tree at 40mph and compare the results to doing that at 5mph. Silly argument.
Why are you assuming cyclists don't pay attention to other traffic?
Your entire argument is complete nonsense. The aim is to design streets so users do, and have the time, to pay attention to other road users. If a slight bend in the road causes you to forget everything else around you, you should never have been allowed to drive a car to begin with.
@@rmyikzelf5604 Seems like I caught a fish, the same one three times in a row even...
As stated: the outcome of an accident does not define whether it is safe or not. Safe means that the road designer made it near impossible to hit the tree in the first place and therefore the speed is irrelevant in this not so well thought hypothesis.
Fact, on average one in every five cyclists is holding a phone in his or her hand. There are also plenty of vids to be found made by (American) cycle enthusiasts out of no other that show cyclists considering the road their realm. In several of those videos visitors to The Netherlands are warned to not walk on the orange painted sections of the road because you will be met with hostility aka road rage. Further more, the vast majority of cyclists have no clue whatsoever what 'blind spot' means and will happily position themselves in the most dangerous place you could ever be. Of course this is all facilitated by the fact that no license is required for riding a bike, so every idiot can jump on and reach speeds over 30kph on electric assisted bikes. And last, have you ever seen a cyclist stop for a pedestrian crossing? Over nine out of ten won't.
And I didn't invent the present leading psychology in road design, bud. The objective of people like Sjors to pass the idea that the road is unsafe which should then cause drivers to ease up on the gas. I also never stated that this psychology worked on me, bud. Which brings in the next danger that Sjors will start to feel tempted to think of additional measures in his quest to limit speeds of cars to below that of cyclists. You are aware that for car drivers it is forbidden by law to overtake on the right, because this is in fact historically proven to be seriously dangerous? So here you are stating that if you do that on your bike this is proof of how safe the roads have become, let me know when you are in hospital and I'll send you flowers.
@rmyikzelf5604
"Why are you assuming cyclists don't pay attention to other traffic?"
As a pedestrian I can say that similar experience is purely based on experience, nothing else. Unfortunate but true.
Bend is a very racist town
Good.
Does this ever start? I'm almost 6 minutes in & nobody has said anything remotely meaningful.
There's only so much content-less mutual admiration society an engineer can take before the mind is numbed into total shutdown & one is forced to quit listening.
My limit has been exceeded.
At 18 minutes it get's more technical, at 40 minutes a part about traffic light management ;)
The social aspect of engineering is also important, and once Sjors starts his presentation it become interesting almost right away. But you have to be susceptible to that, otherwise you might consider to limit your engineering activities to area's that don't have that much social.impact.
@@jaaput If they want to have engineers listen, they need to take into account there's a lot of us on the spectrum, the non-technical social stuff is for politicians.
@@beardyface8492adapt. Improvise. Overcome. Don’t make excuses for a short attention span, work on it.
I'm very embarrassed by his accent!
I am not! Americans are speaking different then Irish are speaking different from ... Why then should a dutchman abandon his accent and adopt one of these other accents? Although we do try this of course ;-)
@@thijs-de-haan Man, doe toch 's normaal! Dat steenkool Engels gaat helemaal fucking nergens over!
@@Beun007 Zit niet zo te zeuren, iedereen die Engels spreekt heeft een accent.
wouldnt it make more sense to give the lower amount of traffic priority over the higher amount?