@@scintillam_deiYou can't really make a Joan of Arc movie without heavy Christian themes(although Disney might be shameless enough to try), which isn't appealing to their target demographic i.e China.
@@omarabe26 Disney teaches kids to rebel against parents. This is why my daughter won't be watching that shit which promotes devil worship like when Cinderella called Lucifer "your highness" or "majesty." There's a motif of apple-biting by the protagonists, celebrating rebellion. Disney was an elite mason who worshipped Satan. His Club 33 matches the number of degrees in masonry.
@@scintillam_dei No, we didn't worship Shang di even before ccp. Shang Di (in case you are talking about the actual "Hao-tian Shang Di", not the Christian God, was mainly worshiped by Emperors, aka the powerful. The majority of Chinese people worshiped our ancestors and "tian dao," which is basically the universe itself. There were a couple of religions, such as Taoism or Buddhism, becoming prominent from time to time because they were favored by the rulers, but none of them came anywhere near as dominant as the Christian church had been during medieval Europe. Long story short, China never really had a universal belief or religion until probably recently when the communist government sort of became the new religion in china lol.
Ok, so Spartacus Blood and Sand deviated a lot from historical accuracy and even combat sense sometimes but hear me out: one cool thing they did when shooting some fight scenes in the arena I remember was as if they had a camera INSIDE the gladiators helmets to show the actors faces. I had never seen something like it before in a setting focusing on ancient or medieval culture and I found it to be a really cool touch. So if you have to show the actors face while wearing a combat helmet, then do something like that rather than this mess with half visors. For pittance sake! :S
Blackadder: No war was fought so badly, since Olaf the Hairy, head of all the Vikings, accidently ordered 100.000 helmets with the horns on the inside!
Lady (presenting the half helmet) "Bring honour to this helmet..." Knight "This helmet?" Lady "Indeed...this helmet" Knight "Tis but half a helmet m'lady" Lady "And you are but half a man." Knight "M'lady, if it pleases thee, m'lady can shove the half helmet up thine arse."
Good take on the trailer :) I‘m still kinda happy the movie is being produced; there can’t be too many historical pieces, even if they‘re only an opportunity to talk about history.
My favourite things about The Last Duel were how their armour actually worked and received tons of hits (and actually protected them!), and all damage came from non-armoured bits. Also halfswording.
I'd bet they read somewhere that there were half-visors (Halbvisier or falling buffe) and miss-understood the term ... because half visors (a late development of bevors) covered the lower part of the face, usually as part of a Schaller / Sallet, not one side of the face ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falling_buffe
Sounds like an urban myth the production team spread around for publicity. Nobody can look at the "half helmet" in the trailer and not immediately mock it. Not even hollywood is that ultra-stupid. They chose that design because I guess it looked cool enough to make a trailer interesting and get people excited or at least interested in the film. I refuse to believe any team-member genuinely thought this was what a "half-helmet" historically was meant to be.
Historical advisor: "Look at those beautiful and completely accurate helmets." Hollywood producer: "Wait, you mean they close? Like over the actors face?" Historical advisor: "Uh, yes. The steel kinda needs to be between the face and the pointy bit" Hollywood producer: - Historical advisor: - Hollywood producer: "WE PAID FOR ADAM DRIVER AND MATT DAMON AND WE WILL SHOW THEIR HANDSOME MUGS! EVERY! SINGLE! FRAME! WE! CAN!" Hollywood assistant: "Sir, the guys on youtube are gonna make fun of us again if we don't use head protection. Remember the Hobbit?" Hollywood producer: "DAMN THE INTERNET! Half a visor, that's the best I can do. How else is the audience able to tell the two dudes wearing dark blue and black in front of a grey sky and muddy peasants from each other? It's not like they colour coded knights or anything..."
Yes, as a matter of fact, they DID color code knights! It's called heraldry... Different colors, shapes, critters; all so people who didn't know how to read could recognize their betters on the battlefield. I haven't seen the movie, yet, but if the movie makers didn't use the actual family crests and colors on these knights that would be an even more egregious fault than using a half visor on a helmet!
I wonder how some insults back then would've played out in the 14th century. "Yo momma so old, she thought today was the Battle of Hastings!" "I would like to formally duel out this issue, sir!"
"Thine spawn origin featureth plentious girth to the point of casting her rotund shadow upon the sunne in an eclipse of artifice craft." Glad there was no rap crap jargon to make things uncool back then.
@@_.Lucifer_Lightfall._ Yeah, but listen to everything he said, especially, about the woman. It sounded as if he was describing a game show.😄 Half naked women holding score cards,giving prizes,being co-hosts, sounds like everything he said. And men risking their lives and doing stupid crap for women... Things haven't changed much at all.😅
That half visor genuinely looks disgusting. Humans are naturally attracted and drawn to symmetry... So why would you remove the beautiful symmetry of a helmet and replace it with a disjointed mess, it makes everyone look heavily disfigured and for what reason? This is the weirdest thing I've seen in a long time. Edit: I'm refering to facial symmetry
looks are relative to the eye of the beholder, Ridley Scott probably thought that looked really cool, I don't see what the big deal is with this, it's inaccurate but who cares the movie isn't about the dumb helmet
@@PASTRAMIKick It looks like literal shit, and anyone with two neutrons to rub together could understand that it's incredibly unrealistic to the point of distraction.
@@PASTRAMIKick It looks like literal shit, and anyone with two neutrons to rub together could understand that it's incredibly unrealistic to the point of distraction.
@@diegotiberi5294 Robert Downey Jr. as Iron Man. Not to mention the various actors who have played Spiderman. Richard Chamberlain as The Man in the Iron Mask,. Claude Raines played a guy who was invisible when he wasn't wrapped in bandages. The fact is many actors have performed in movies while wearing a total face covering of some kind. This kind of historically inaccurate nonsense takes artistic license too far.
Have you heard about the upcoming crusades series Knights of the Cross? The devs are really serious about going for historical accuracy. The first trailer is set to release soon.
@@rorschach1985ify The series is being made by the guy from the Real Crusades History youtube channel and some professionals. He has covered loads and loads about the crusades. Its not going to be documentary style like his normal videos, its going to be an actual film-like series with an experienced team.
I doubt it will eventuate into much, from what I have seen they have great passion and knowledge, but lack alot of the things that will make a successful and enjoyable series, like decent actors, props, sets, scriptwriters etc etc.
What pisses me off more is this ever present gray/blue fllter with directors (scott especially) going out of their way to darken and create an awful mood to medieval period.
I don't think any historical or period expert is going to be 100% happy. But I was impressed with the fighting and Matt Damon in particular. He was very convincing as a brutish knight that made his living in war. During the combat, he looked and moved like he was used to wearing that armor and trusted it. There were a couple times where he pivoted so his plate absorbed the blow so he could move his sword to attack. He wasn't constantly trying to parry everything. He was also very fluid when it came to switching weapons depending on what was at hand. I know all of this is choreographed and I'm sure they spent hours in training and rehearsal. But the point is that it showed. They looked and moved like they really wanted to kill each other. It wasn't like other swords fights where it looked like their goal was to hit each other's swords.
Maille coifs and padding ... I was an extra on a documentary about the Plantagenets. The deal is you drive several hunderd miles across Britain, to a muddy field in the rain, get togged up in whatever armour you own, then MAKEUP come along and spray you with theatrical sterilised mud, for some reason. Then the assistant directors come along and match you versus some other renactor in a battle scene and you then make up some moves that look suitably authentic. Then the assistant director comes along and says 'no no no!' You explain that whilst swords were a thing, you typically start the fight with some sort of tin opener on a pole and end it rolling in the mud with rondels. The assistant director removes your bills and spears and gives you a late 1400s horseman's war hammer whilst yoh try to explain that at Crecy such a weapon probably wasn't used, he then asks if you have a different helmet besides the bascinet, you say you have a sallet but its like turning up to the Somme with a red tunic.. the AD insists so you lumber off back to the noble Steed (ancient Volvo) and have a rummage and return with your lobster tailed 1480s sallet and think, hey, why don't I bring my Edward III guard surcoat. Return to Crecy field where the AD loves the helmet but tells me to open the visor, makeup then spray more mud on me... the AD does not, however, like my surcoat (despite my pointing out that it was a relatively accurate reproduction of the one, likeky worn by my ancestor Sir William Atte Woode, who was Captain of Edward III's Royal Guard and who, with his son Sir Geoffrey, a Serjeant in the same Guard, was killed defending Edward at Crecy).. no no no, says the AD... it's too COLOURFUL and costumes are making surcoats. Which, when they arrive appear to be what modern soldiers would call 'Tactical' i.e. whdn you take a Stars and Stripes or a Union Flag and you replace the red white qnd blue with dark greens... I point out that the 1340s were pretty colourful, and people weren't covered in shit , well, at least before the Black Death hit later in 1346 in that part of the world... Then the AD decides my French opponent shouldn't be wearing a pig faced bascinet and tells him to take it off. The problrm is that he's only got a thin padded coif under there so the Health and Satefy dude turns up and tells him its too thin and hands him one of those Indian made versions that's 1.5 inches thick and looks like a Russian tank helmet from the 70's. That goes on and the Chevalier now looks like one of Gru's minions in armour. Meanwhile a water tanker turns up and starts showering rain on us. I point out to the AD that there is no evidence it was raining at Crecy which was fought in August in a country where tens of thousands of Britons head every year partly BECAUSE ITS SUNNY. Nothing doing...so we grumble about it and do what they want, and moan about the rust we're going to have to clean off, and the smell of Vick Vaporub which some use as a grease to protect their kit that is moderately more easy to wash out of 21st C clothes and 20th C trusty steed interior carpets than engine grease. We then get catering, paid our petrol money and given £20 for our efforts for the day then drive 200 miles home. Documentary comes out and there I am, in blury blue filter, covered in mud, wearing a space age helmet with its visor open jumping on top of a steep clad Minion (dasterdly Frenchman) waving a horseman's hammer which is 140 years out of date and wondering why they bothered engaging Toby Capwell as a contributor!. THEN as I am loading the boot of the trusty steed, the AD's assistant comes up and asks me if I can come down next month because they are 'doing Towton' and asks me to bring a shield. I no longer do re-enactment, sold my armour and am too old for MMA these days. It's expensive and soul destroying working with meeja types who aren't interested in accuracy or understanding that our ancestors knew how to wash, cut hair, avoid mud, liked colourful clothing and getting covered in shit.
One thing I really appreciated from the movie was how they showed arrows doing basically no damage to the armour. I just finished watching the movie and desperately wanted to see your thoughts on it. Hope you make a full video about the movie post-release at some point at all, I thought it was awesome!
The movie actually ended up being pretty good! Should maybe look at reviewing a couple of the scenes when it’s out! With the exception of the weird helmets you see armour actually doing it’s job multiple times, and various more realistic techniques like half swording used
I just watched the movie. I am no expert but I was impressed by the fighting. I'm sure people who have a lot of hema training will find flaws. But like you said, the armor actually did it's job. I noticed there were a number of times that Damon turned into a blade strike so it hit his plate when he couldn't parry. He also used the cross guard of his sword as a striking tool.
this movie is really really good, I am ashamed I didn't see this earlier, everything in the 3 different scenes is different when you really want to pay attention to it, loved it, I really want to see more movies like this, and please never let the historical drama die out, we have too many superhero movies, it's time to go back to the epics.
It was pretty good. The 2 acts from Jean de Courrouges' and Jacques le Gris' perspectives were pretty accurate to Eric Jager's book (which the movie was based on) but the 3rd act was almost entirely made up besides the duel at the end.
He lost the other half on a crash,and the insurance company told him to wait six months for the new part to be processed and issued....and then installed by a professional,qualified technician. That's when the guy with half a visor went;To hell with it!
Anachronistic because they have the Prince of Wales Edward the Black Prince who lived 1330-1376 when some are wearing full plate from the 1450s-1500s+. The movie also has Geoffrey Chaucer who lived within a similar timeframe ~1330-1400. They even mention the Battle of Poiters which was in 1356. But as anachronistic as it is, the armors themselves look alright other than the initial armor that Sir Ulric/William Thatcher(the main character) wore that he took from his late master, it's rather crude and unfinished though I guess it builds character as the villain Adhemar who is actual nobility describes him as "a country knight, no better than a peasant." He gets a new suit of armor though also anachronistic to the 1356 minimum setting though it is accurate in that it actually looks fine (and is actually steel made by real armorers so yeah they couldn't have been in bad hands), the stunt replicas were made of polyurethane
However a problem is that on some of the characters the armor wasn't overlapped correctly (the gorgets would hover awkwardly above the breastplate leaving the neck exposed)
@@jordinagel1184 the music, at least, I know was intended to convey the point that this was a big sporting event, showing the modern experience, so the audience reads the situation in the way that a medieval person would. They could have gone for historical accuracy, but it would not have read the same way for the audience.
This whole shenanigans vould easily be work with some scenes of the actors expressions inside the helmets or make the helmet visor become invisible making ot a see through close up scenes like something from anime/manga. IT'S THAT EASY!!
Well... I heard the term half helm being tossed around in the Song of ice and fire novels... but THAT is the last thing that would have never ever even come to my mind when imagining what that could mean and obviously JRR Martin surely describes some scull cap type of helmet with that word...
I'd bet they read somewhere that there were half-visors (Halbvisier or falling buffe) and miss-understood the term ... because half visors (a late development of bevors) covered the lower part of the face, usually as part of a Schaller / Sallet, not one side of the face ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falling_buffe
Charles IV, the Roman Emperor in 14th Century, secretly participated in joust and was so wounded so badly that even by today's medical standards, he would have a very small chance to survive. Nevertheless, he did, but it marked him for life and it deformed his body from healthy to a cripple. Still, he managed to live over 60 years of age while suffering every day with serious consequences of his injury. This was very popular sport of knights, and Kings or Emperors we're prohibited by Vatican to participate in this past time because of their importance.
King: "You've done well, here's a couple of thousand Franks and a few Bob(s)." Knight: "Oh, bloody hell. Where are they going to live? Can't you just pay me in cash, like all the other monarchs?"
The last time Ridley Scott did a medieval movie, it was about Robin Hood... you know... the character famous for his skill with a WAR HAMMMER (seriously he use like 3 arrow in the whole movie). There was also this brilliant scene of Omaha Beach with automatic-bows and boats from WW2... I mean... what did you expect ?
Half visor because de Carrouges (as per the account) used his dagger's pommel to break the visor lock and then held Le Gris at dagger point. This whole fiddling with the lock part must have - in the artistic eyes of Mr. Scott - looked ungainly, so he did away with it. Plus, we get to see 100% of Matt Driver that way. Or is it Madam Damriver? Confused.
Isn’t it also expensive to get a perfectly good helmet prop and cut half the visor off? I highly doubt anyone would be crazy enough to try forging half a visor from the get-go.
No they just think that "accurate" fighting would be dull or lame and prefer fantasy like/pseudo-flamboyant shit since they lack the skills to put a cool yet accurate fight (which make everyone angry when you see that 2mn short about German mercenaries duelling with longsword and no bit of dialogue or Knight of Hope).
@@captainburnos2828 Its so silly, real fighting is so much better. but its hard to imitate someone whom has been practicing to be a knight since they were small children.
Just from a brief snippet in the trailer, it appears that both jousters use half visors, armored on the left side. In the actual duel. highly cinematic, the alleged rapist stabbed the agrieved husband through the thigh while he was down. But he leapt up, knocked his opponent down, straddled him and popped his visor open with the pommel of his dagger. A fight choreographer couldn't invent a better duel than these two Normans really fought.
I liked a lot of the tactics they used. I'm not a HEMA practitioner but from watching channels like this one, I've learned a little of the theory and tactics. It looked like this movie really tried to implement some of those moves. They used the cross guard to attack. There was grappling. They didn't make the fully armored men move like robots. And....their armor actually worked!
@@keats182 Carrouges' half visor is a problem for me. As said, it's the movies, but the helmet is idiotic, needlessly anti-historical. Maybe the goal was to show Damon's face. Still, I look forward to watching the fight scene when and if it's ever available for free. This was actually not the last publicly authorized judiciary duel in France. The last such duel occurred on July 10, 1547, under King Henry II.
@@johntillman6068 I wonder if it's some kind of. "We actually had Damon act these scenes. IT's not a stunt double" (just put any stunt actor in a full plate and call it a day otherwise.) Allegedly. I have no idea if Damon actually films his own combat stunts lol.
"Based on a true story" oh yes, who could forget the legend of Half Helm Harry as he was known at first but after his first battle he was known as massive head-wound Harry
If you saw the film, a possible reason that Margurite de Carrouges told her husband Jean Carrouges about her rape and him challenging Jacques Le Gris to a trial by combat, wasn't just simply about honor, but also for the legitimacy of their child (son and heir), that was "conceived" around the time of her rape. Le Gris could always later say that it is his bastard son. If left unchallenged, it could cause a lot of trouble later about inheritance, and the continuation of the "Bloodline".
Why would Jean Carrouges want to claim a bastard child to inherit his Estate? Realisticly he could have just married another woman and get a heir that was actually his flesh and blood. Jean Carrouges definitely wanted to kill Le Gris as revenge for the humiliation of the rape of his wife and the fact that she impregnated by another man. His honor as a respected knight demanded it! Plus its natural most of us would want to beat the shit out of anyone who dares lay a finger on our spouse.
@@taskforceknight9336 Based on how the film depicts it, Carrouges would definitely see it as him getting justice for his wife, but when you put the whole picture together it really seems more like the rape is him finally getting to let his hatred of Le Gris out, and that his wife's rape was just an escalation of the "insults" Le Gris had made toward him.
Those are exactly the same questions I thought to when I first saw the trailer. I think it's the exact same thing that happened in Game of Thrones. Sandor Clegane and Jaime Lannister had much more elaborate helmets in the book, but in the series they never wear them just because the characters had to be more recognizable.
Interesting video, Ralph. Actually I had some inaccurate knowledge about dueling.. You filled in some gaps. Especially the judicial form of dueling. BTW... Nice to see the fair lady again... tell her not to worry too much about acting.
I saw the trailer for this movie last week and the 1st thing I thought why they hell is his visor only half? I'm going to still see it though after reading about the two real men that fought the duel. Great video Metatron
-Why don't actors in historical battles wear helmets? Hollywood: Because we've paid millions to have their faces on film! -But it's ahistorical! Hollywood: Let's compromise
In France a dog was made a Saint. St Guinefort was a big greyhound. His Master, a knight - recently widowered -- left Guinefort in charge of his infant son, whilst he went hunting a pack of wolves in his shire. On the knight's return -- having been eluded by his quarry -- he did not see his son, the nursery was a shambles. and the muzzle and jaws of the dog were bloody. In a rage, he slew the dog with his sword. Just then, the baby cried, and he found his unharmed son under the faithful dog who had protected him from the wolves. Realizing his mistake, he built a shrine to Guinefort. When miracles were attested to the dog's canine holiness, he was revered as a folk saint. The Catholic Church never officially cononised Guinefort and sought to repress his veneration.
@@HootOwl513 some of the stories from that time are something. While the fight depicted in this movie was the last crown sanctioned fight others took place in territories nominally under French control, like Burgundy, where such fighting took place under ducal control. There's a story out of Flanders, I believe, where the combatants ended up rolling around on the ground when one of the men reached up and tore his adversaries testicles off killing him. So much for chivalry huh.
Period Historian Set Advisor- "Folks, hear me out on this. We'd do well to implement actual historical armor... This means full helmets with visors. It helps with an immersive feeling of the time you're trying to portray. The real story even has a point where Jean de Carrouges character breaks the lock on Le Gris visor mid combat! Pretty great stuff!" Rick from pawn stars- "Best I can do is half a visor."
There are helmets with air holes drilled into only the right side of the visor, due to most people being right handed if you're going to get hit its likely going to be on the left side. The only advantage that helmet might have is that you can actually breathe (sometimes knights would literally suffocate inside their helmets during battle) and actually being able to see. As a duelist helm it could perhaps work since you won't have arrows flying at you. It could be more of a statement similar to the way gladiators would leave their chest exposed as a way of showing their disregard for danger
"It could be more of a statement similar to the way gladiators would leave their chest exposed as a way of showing their disregard for danger" That comparison doesn't work because gladiators didn't _voluntarily_ leave their vital organs exposed; that was decided for them. Gladiator matches were entertainment; it wasn't warfare or a judicial match. What direct evidence is there that knights disregarded protective gear in this context? Depictions of the time show knights armouring _up_ , not down. For jousts, sometimes they'd tie additional bevors onto a helmet. "actually being able to see" Visors limit vision, but don't completely remove it. Why do you think visors were used at all? If it rendered you blind, a wealthy warrior class wouldn't use them. And for the benefit of freeing _one_ eye, you're exposing half of your face. Simply put: *evidence* doesn't support this.
In Ireland, 1756 Colonel Jonah Barrington and a certain Mr. Gilbert fought a duel on horseback and armed with both two pistols, a "broadbladed but short" sword with a basket handle and a scian dagger. The duel was nessesary because both parties feared that in the time, when their sons were grown up, the problem would become so large that it would cause a clan feud. So they choose both a champion and let them fight. The first shor was missed but from the second, Barrington got the many of the shots in his face but the large bullet passed him. Enraged by the hit, Barrington charged and a heavy fight broke out in wich Barrington got three cuts and many hits on his scullcap that damaged his hat. Barrington than to save his live stabbed the horse of Mr Gilbert many times until it broke down. Barrington than jumped down to the fallen Mr Gilbert and held him his dagger at the throat and asked him if he would ask for his live or death. Mr Gilbert than said that he would ask for his live but only if he had not to applogize for the reason of the fight. They shook their hands and left together the field. That is one of the many duels of Ireland in the 18th and 19th century. Not at all Medieval.
I was waiting for your opinion on this one, myself I pretty much know the story and have read the book . In the book it was said that barriers were not used in judicial duels. Don't know I wasn't there. I'll wait until it comes on Netflix.
Ngl, I need a montage of Metattron just loosing his mind over hilarious historic errors in shows/movies. Also, a vote, which reaction was the most expressive, the one with the Netflix show about samurai and simping Katanas, or this one with half visor?
Formidable acting! That for me is the best artistical material you have produced so far. More reenactment of not so good movie scenes please, because it destilles the essence of it so very good and it shows both your sense of humor and humanity.
I totally agree with you that the only reason they did it is to show that they have the actor's really doing the jousting (or make it look like that if they aren't really doing every scene) but its just way too distracting for me and pull's me out of the realism because no knight would ever want to face a lance with a whole half of his face exposed. even if the other side of the face doesn't "usually" take the impact your just asking for trouble being that un-protected
Hey metatron will you ever do another "strongest for honor heroes in real life" since we got new heroes, also i think it would be a great video if you did the same video but instead of using default armor, use the highest rated armor instead. It would be a really interesting video to see your take on how much the order changes based on better armor but its just an idea.
Me: clicking to see if the half-visor half-chopped face had a historical reference or plain stupid. Also me: gets a full blown lecture about historical judicial duels instead. Not disappointed.
despite the mail and the half helmet.. maybe its so we can still recognise half the actors face but they got half protection during the duel, I still like the historical accuracies and that they know, weapons can't pierce armour, and i did like seeing the young Charles VI of France, character who I'm sure just love the entertainment of watching a duel
One can put some emotion behind a suit of armor, especially rage. It can be conveyed through body movements and body language and especially voice of the armored person
Can we talk about the duel between Peter and Miraz in the Prince Caspian movie? There's a lot of really good stuff in it. They start off with helmets, but abandon them when they get tired. There's pretty good sword and shield work (they use the shields to block instead of throwing them behind themselves), good grappling that would actually work, half swording, and the armor works as it should. I would recommend watching it
@Frank Lucas Then he was wrong. The book tells the true story of the feud between the two knights and explains the background of the Hundred Years War and the legal system in France at the time.
@Frank Lucas It's wrong first because there's more to the story than that. Like I said, it explains the legal system in France and how duels fit into this. It's called The last duel for a reason: this was the last time a legal duel was held in France because ideas were changing. And there were no witnesses to what happened in the castle, so it was Marguerite's word against Jacques'. And don't forget, I'm talking about the book, not the movie!
We do see asymmetry in later armour - focusing on the left side as that is the more likely side to hit. In an actual battle I could see this being useful because it's not quite open faced but the side more likey to be hit is covered up. However, if it worked I'm sure we would have historical evidence for it.
I think a half helmet like that is a good idea for a fantasy gladiator. But this particular design is just bad, and for a historical setting even worse.
11:23 That would make politics far less tedious. I'd pay to see stupid politicians beating the crap out of each other. Far better than these debates...
Technically a buff dude would be able to run as president without problem and just make your life worse but hey funny man get beat by big dude makes it worf
@@shaggyrumplenutz1610 In all seriousness, I prefer people handling things with civility before handling things with hostility. It's just that these damn politicians of any party act so petty and stupid that it'd be less infuriating if they fight physically. One thing that irks me is when people say "we shouldn't need to watch our words! People are pussies these days for getting offended!" even though carelessness with speech causing problems have existed since man knew how to communicate. ill chosen words have been known to start wars.
Le Gris was knighted before the duel in order that he and Carrouges be of equal standing during the fight. So both of them were knights. The duel itself is shown inaccurately in the movie and contradicts historical records. They were apparently wearing proper full plate and helmets different from that joke of an armour used in the movie. Both killed their opponent's horse with battle axes. Carrouges had to brake the pin of Le Gris' helmet and tear the visor off in order to punch him with a dagger in the neck killing him instantaneously. Before that Jean was repeatedly stubbing his floored adversary with a sword unable to penetrate the plate. Not sure why their duel in the movie is so different from the way it really happened.
I've just thought of a character people would know as "the stupid knight", where the knight can't get people to stop calling him that because he didn't wear his helmet and fell off his horse, because of a fly, after he barely won with only a graze. 😆
It was a 4th wall break when the actor brought up his contract saying he got 1/2 Face time during the movie for the up-tenth time and the director said ‘I just want him to die’
I bet he doesn’t wear it for the looks but for the stats
Ah yes, the DS dilemma.
*ancient god half-face legendary helmet*
armor -50
vision +50
special bonus: potions last 100% longer and you can apply them in combat too
Demon Skull Helmet: +15 Defense
Mushroom-Shaped Chef Hat: +500 Defense
+3 Charisma
-5 Death Saving Throw
even worse. fashion>stats
As long as everyone is covered in filth, and wearing gray with a blue filter over everything, it's a sure sign of historical accuracy.
They'll use Joan of Arc to promote lying about your gender like Pissney did with Mulan.
@@scintillam_deiYou can't really make a Joan of Arc movie without heavy Christian themes(although Disney might be shameless enough to try), which isn't appealing to their target demographic i.e China.
@@scintillam_dei Heh, Pissney
@@omarabe26 Disney teaches kids to rebel against parents. This is why my daughter won't be watching that shit which promotes devil worship like when Cinderella called Lucifer "your highness" or "majesty." There's a motif of apple-biting by the protagonists, celebrating rebellion. Disney was an elite mason who worshipped Satan. His Club 33 matches the number of degrees in masonry.
@@scintillam_dei No, we didn't worship Shang di even before ccp. Shang Di (in case you are talking about the actual "Hao-tian Shang Di", not the Christian God, was mainly worshiped by Emperors, aka the powerful. The majority of Chinese people worshiped our ancestors and "tian dao," which is basically the universe itself. There were a couple of religions, such as Taoism or Buddhism, becoming prominent from time to time because they were favored by the rulers, but none of them came anywhere near as dominant as the Christian church had been during medieval Europe. Long story short, China never really had a universal belief or religion until probably recently when the communist government sort of became the new religion in china lol.
Nobody is mentioning the fact that Metatron is getting progressively more Armoured during the video lol
Oh I've noticed
Because he's progressively tilting until the lance of his anger has struck
because we don't kinkshame here
Because this is normal.
He always does
Ok, so Spartacus Blood and Sand deviated a lot from historical accuracy and even combat sense sometimes but hear me out: one cool thing they did when shooting some fight scenes in the arena I remember was as if they had a camera INSIDE the gladiators helmets to show the actors faces.
I had never seen something like it before in a setting focusing on ancient or medieval culture and I found it to be a really cool touch. So if you have to show the actors face while wearing a combat helmet, then do something like that rather than this mess with half visors. For pittance sake! :S
Iron Man
spartacus blood and sand was a great brain-number of a show. Very 300-ish.
Or just use an open-face
That was a very cool series.
For pittance sake? You mean for pity's sake?
Ridley-Scott first film was called “The duellists“ probably one of his best films to date
excellent film, Harvey Keitel, such a Chad
Imagine peaking on your first work. Big oof
Kingdom of Heaven wasn't but half bad,Ridley Scott made that
Yer he came out of the gate making a film that looked like a kubrick movie.
Kingdom of Heaven Directors Cut is my favorite Ridley Scott movie
Blackadder: No war was fought so badly, since Olaf the Hairy, head of all the Vikings, accidently ordered 100.000 helmets with the horns on the inside!
how would the non-existent horns hurt on the inside?
@@louiscyfer6944 It was the result of a cunning plan.
That series was so good
@@louiscyfer6944 Because Baldrick´s great great great grandfather ordered them? He was not the sharpest shovel in the trenches...
The Historical Set Advisor Was Either Completely Ignored Or Was Isolating With The Plague?
why capitalize every word in the sentence ;(
@@waaaghlover6994 He's writing a book and that's the title of it.
@@waaaghlover6994 it’s the title of a Light Novel
There is absolutely zero that's not historically accurate abotn a half helmet lol.
@@waaaghlover6994 Coz I'm A Boomer And Can't Workout The Settings?
#Giveboomersabreak
Lady (presenting the half helmet) "Bring honour to this helmet..."
Knight "This helmet?"
Lady "Indeed...this helmet"
Knight "Tis but half a helmet m'lady"
Lady "And you are but half a man."
Knight "M'lady, if it pleases thee, m'lady can shove the half helmet up thine arse."
I never thought I needed to see a knight juggling pizza in my lifetime, but thanks to you good sir, now I know.
Tossing not juggling you pleb
That is what Italian Knights do.
Good take on the trailer :) I‘m still kinda happy the movie is being produced; there can’t be too many historical pieces, even if they‘re only an opportunity to talk about history.
Happily surprised to see you here. I love your videos!
SandRhoman comments on a Metatron video?
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
Love your content btw!
Inaccurate historical entertainment can negatively impact the public's understanding of history.
Hellywood corrupts all it touches.
The most noble of ones
"Do you know how I got these scars...?"
-"From your stupid helmet?"
"..... ah crap"
hehehe
This one right here..
My favourite things about The Last Duel were how their armour actually worked and received tons of hits (and actually protected them!), and all damage came from non-armoured bits. Also halfswording.
I think someone in production team heard a term 'half-helmet' (which actually means a bascinet-type helmet without a visor)?
I'd bet they read somewhere that there were half-visors (Halbvisier or falling buffe) and miss-understood the term ... because half visors (a late development of bevors) covered the lower part of the face, usually as part of a Schaller / Sallet, not one side of the face ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falling_buffe
Sounds like an urban myth the production team spread around for publicity.
Nobody can look at the "half helmet" in the trailer and not immediately mock it. Not even hollywood is that ultra-stupid.
They chose that design because I guess it looked cool enough to make a trailer interesting and get people excited or at least interested in the film. I refuse to believe any team-member genuinely thought this was what a "half-helmet" historically was meant to be.
a Sicilian man in full plate armor tells me "we're gonna have fun"
what should i expect?
The Italian Wars in a nutshell I suppose
Historical advisor: "Look at those beautiful and completely accurate helmets."
Hollywood producer: "Wait, you mean they close? Like over the actors face?"
Historical advisor: "Uh, yes. The steel kinda needs to be between the face and the pointy bit"
Hollywood producer: -
Historical advisor: -
Hollywood producer: "WE PAID FOR ADAM DRIVER AND MATT DAMON AND WE WILL SHOW THEIR HANDSOME MUGS! EVERY! SINGLE! FRAME! WE! CAN!"
Hollywood assistant: "Sir, the guys on youtube are gonna make fun of us again if we don't use head protection. Remember the Hobbit?"
Hollywood producer: "DAMN THE INTERNET! Half a visor, that's the best I can do. How else is the audience able to tell the two dudes wearing dark blue and black in front of a grey sky and muddy peasants from each other? It's not like they colour coded knights or anything..."
Wait....did they color code knights?
@@mthlay15 Peep "King René's Tournament Book" and bask in it's technicolour glory.
@@mthlay15 heraldry is the science behind that. Colour coding knights the correct way
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Yes, as a matter of fact, they DID color code knights! It's called heraldry... Different colors, shapes, critters; all so people who didn't know how to read could recognize their betters on the battlefield. I haven't seen the movie, yet, but if the movie makers didn't use the actual family crests and colors on these knights that would be an even more egregious fault than using a half visor on a helmet!
I wonder how some insults back then would've played out in the 14th century.
"Yo momma so old, she thought today was the Battle of Hastings!"
"I would like to formally duel out this issue, sir!"
"Thine spawn origin featureth plentious girth to the point of casting her rotund shadow upon the sunne in an eclipse of artifice craft."
Glad there was no rap crap jargon to make things uncool back then.
@@scintillam_dei If we could go back in time and observe, that would be one heck of a time. lol!
@@_.Lucifer_Lightfall._
Yeah, but listen to everything he said, especially, about the woman.
It sounded as if he was describing a game show.😄
Half naked women holding score cards,giving prizes,being co-hosts, sounds like everything he said.
And men risking their lives and doing stupid crap for women... Things haven't changed much at all.😅
"Riddley Scott... Thats it, aliens!" This cracked me up, amazing hahaha
That half visor genuinely looks disgusting. Humans are naturally attracted and drawn to symmetry... So why would you remove the beautiful symmetry of a helmet and replace it with a disjointed mess, it makes everyone look heavily disfigured and for what reason? This is the weirdest thing I've seen in a long time.
Edit: I'm refering to facial symmetry
Humm makes me wondering, is that true ? Can you link me something about how humans like symmetry ?
I never know of such a thing that every human inherently attract to symmetry, but it certainly rather ugly.
looks are relative to the eye of the beholder, Ridley Scott probably thought that looked really cool, I don't see what the big deal is with this, it's inaccurate but who cares the movie isn't about the dumb helmet
@@PASTRAMIKick It looks like literal shit, and anyone with two neutrons to rub together could understand that it's incredibly unrealistic to the point of distraction.
@@PASTRAMIKick It looks like literal shit, and anyone with two neutrons to rub together could understand that it's incredibly unrealistic to the point of distraction.
No one can act in a full helm!
David prowse as darth vader: *shoulders sag in disgust*
and Pedro Pascal as the Mandalorian!
@@diegotiberi5294 Robert Downey Jr. as Iron Man. Not to mention the various actors who have played Spiderman. Richard Chamberlain as The Man in the Iron Mask,. Claude Raines played a guy who was invisible when he wasn't wrapped in bandages. The fact is many actors have performed in movies while wearing a total face covering of some kind. This kind of historically inaccurate nonsense takes artistic license too far.
@@Makeyourselfbig Don't forget Hugo Weaving as V!
Karl Urban In Dredd
Doug Jones.
I must say, that helmet made me chuckle. I do believe that was the true reason- it made Ridley chuckle.
Have you heard about the upcoming crusades series Knights of the Cross? The devs are really serious about going for historical accuracy. The first trailer is set to release soon.
Really because I never heard of it and now you got me intrigued?
Hollywood producers going for accuracy: Well we knew the Crusaders didn't use nukes, but we had this enormous budget soooo...
@@rorschach1985ify
The series is being made by the guy from the Real Crusades History youtube channel and some professionals.
He has covered loads and loads about the crusades.
Its not going to be documentary style like his normal videos, its going to be an actual film-like series with an experienced team.
@@darken2417 Damn that sounds cool. I hope it comes out good.
I doubt it will eventuate into much, from what I have seen they have great passion and knowledge, but lack alot of the things that will make a successful and enjoyable series, like decent actors, props, sets, scriptwriters etc etc.
What pisses me off more is this ever present gray/blue fllter with directors (scott especially) going out of their way to darken and create an awful mood to medieval period.
I know right? Shit pissed me off back when he made Kingdom of Heaven and I see he never learned to let go of that stupid look for Medieval Europe.
Yeah, it makes it harder to identify which character is which ironically
Im visually impaired and I LOVE when there is nothing to see in a moive but dark.
I mean it was literally darker and less sunny back then so if u want realism you got it.
@@MrIsaacE "darker and less sunny" Based on what?
Oh, this is just a premonition that this character would become a medieval TwoFace. Good foreshadowing, or sth like that.
Looks more like a Swadian arena from M&B: Warband rather than a jousting list
It’s not a Warband joust unless both fighters lose their horses and have to continue fighting on foot with their lances.
@@Habiyeru Dude that sight gave me cancer!
Ditch the horse for proper foot lance combat B)
*JoustillionareGrindset*
@@Habiyeru 1 damage 0% speed bonus 😄
I don't think any historical or period expert is going to be 100% happy. But I was impressed with the fighting and Matt Damon in particular. He was very convincing as a brutish knight that made his living in war. During the combat, he looked and moved like he was used to wearing that armor and trusted it. There were a couple times where he pivoted so his plate absorbed the blow so he could move his sword to attack. He wasn't constantly trying to parry everything. He was also very fluid when it came to switching weapons depending on what was at hand.
I know all of this is choreographed and I'm sure they spent hours in training and rehearsal. But the point is that it showed. They looked and moved like they really wanted to kill each other. It wasn't like other swords fights where it looked like their goal was to hit each other's swords.
Maille coifs and padding ... I was an extra on a documentary about the Plantagenets. The deal is you drive several hunderd miles across Britain, to a muddy field in the rain, get togged up in whatever armour you own, then MAKEUP come along and spray you with theatrical sterilised mud, for some reason. Then the assistant directors come along and match you versus some other renactor in a battle scene and you then make up some moves that look suitably authentic. Then the assistant director comes along and says 'no no no!' You explain that whilst swords were a thing, you typically start the fight with some sort of tin opener on a pole and end it rolling in the mud with rondels. The assistant director removes your bills and spears and gives you a late 1400s horseman's war hammer whilst yoh try to explain that at Crecy such a weapon probably wasn't used, he then asks if you have a different helmet besides the bascinet, you say you have a sallet but its like turning up to the Somme with a red tunic.. the AD insists so you lumber off back to the noble Steed (ancient Volvo) and have a rummage and return with your lobster tailed 1480s sallet and think, hey, why don't I bring my Edward III guard surcoat.
Return to Crecy field where the AD loves the helmet but tells me to open the visor, makeup then spray more mud on me... the AD does not, however, like my surcoat (despite my pointing out that it was a relatively accurate reproduction of the one, likeky worn by my ancestor Sir William Atte Woode, who was Captain of Edward III's Royal Guard and who, with his son Sir Geoffrey, a Serjeant in the same Guard, was killed defending Edward at Crecy).. no no no, says the AD... it's too COLOURFUL and costumes are making surcoats. Which, when they arrive appear to be what modern soldiers would call 'Tactical' i.e. whdn you take a Stars and Stripes or a Union Flag and you replace the red white qnd blue with dark greens... I point out that the 1340s were pretty colourful, and people weren't covered in shit , well, at least before the Black Death hit later in 1346 in that part of the world...
Then the AD decides my French opponent shouldn't be wearing a pig faced bascinet and tells him to take it off. The problrm is that he's only got a thin padded coif under there so the Health and Satefy dude turns up and tells him its too thin and hands him one of those Indian made versions that's 1.5 inches thick and looks like a Russian tank helmet from the 70's. That goes on and the Chevalier now looks like one of Gru's minions in armour.
Meanwhile a water tanker turns up and starts showering rain on us. I point out to the AD that there is no evidence it was raining at Crecy which was fought in August in a country where tens of thousands of Britons head every year partly BECAUSE ITS SUNNY.
Nothing doing...so we grumble about it and do what they want, and moan about the rust we're going to have to clean off, and the smell of Vick Vaporub which some use as a grease to protect their kit that is moderately more easy to wash out of 21st C clothes and 20th C trusty steed interior carpets than engine grease.
We then get catering, paid our petrol money and given £20 for our efforts for the day then drive 200 miles home. Documentary comes out and there I am, in blury blue filter, covered in mud, wearing a space age helmet with its visor open jumping on top of a steep clad Minion (dasterdly Frenchman) waving a horseman's hammer which is 140 years out of date and wondering why they bothered engaging Toby Capwell as a contributor!.
THEN as I am loading the boot of the trusty steed, the AD's assistant comes up and asks me if I can come down next month because they are 'doing Towton' and asks me to bring a shield.
I no longer do re-enactment, sold my armour and am too old for MMA these days. It's expensive and soul destroying working with meeja types who aren't interested in accuracy or understanding that our ancestors knew how to wash, cut hair, avoid mud, liked colourful clothing and getting covered in shit.
wow. damn. very visual writing sir. I was imagining it all play out. Also, what a pain lol
One thing I really appreciated from the movie was how they showed arrows doing basically no damage to the armour. I just finished watching the movie and desperately wanted to see your thoughts on it. Hope you make a full video about the movie post-release at some point at all, I thought it was awesome!
The movie actually ended up being pretty good! Should maybe look at reviewing a couple of the scenes when it’s out! With the exception of the weird helmets you see armour actually doing it’s job multiple times, and various more realistic techniques like half swording used
I just watched the movie. I am no expert but I was impressed by the fighting. I'm sure people who have a lot of hema training will find flaws. But like you said, the armor actually did it's job. I noticed there were a number of times that Damon turned into a blade strike so it hit his plate when he couldn't parry. He also used the cross guard of his sword as a striking tool.
I just saw it, and I was trying to figure out why they had a half helmet as well. It was distracting to me.
this movie is really really good, I am ashamed I didn't see this earlier, everything in the 3 different scenes is different when you really want to pay attention to it, loved it, I really want to see more movies like this, and please never let the historical drama die out, we have too many superhero movies, it's time to go back to the epics.
I heard it was very good
It was pretty good. The 2 acts from Jean de Courrouges' and Jacques le Gris' perspectives were pretty accurate to Eric Jager's book (which the movie was based on) but the 3rd act was almost entirely made up besides the duel at the end.
The way you described anonymous knights in coloured armor makes me wish there was "Top Joust" featuring the medieval equivalent of "the Stig" xD
He lost the other half on a crash,and the insurance company told him to wait six months for the new part to be processed and issued....and then installed by a professional,qualified technician.
That's when the guy with half a visor went;To hell with it!
0:28 Me after I witness a full plate armoured Knight tossing Pizzas in the intro.
Speaking of jousting, would you describe "a knight's tale" accurate or not? If you didn't already spoke about it.
I think it's one of the best reperesentations of real jousting no matter how "butchered" it is by the modern music and some stupid clothing.
Anachronistic because they have the Prince of Wales Edward the Black Prince who lived 1330-1376 when some are wearing full plate from the 1450s-1500s+. The movie also has Geoffrey Chaucer who lived within a similar timeframe ~1330-1400. They even mention the Battle of Poiters which was in 1356. But as anachronistic as it is, the armors themselves look alright other than the initial armor that Sir Ulric/William Thatcher(the main character) wore that he took from his late master, it's rather crude and unfinished though I guess it builds character as the villain Adhemar who is actual nobility describes him as "a country knight, no better than a peasant." He gets a new suit of armor though also anachronistic to the 1356 minimum setting though it is accurate in that it actually looks fine (and is actually steel made by real armorers so yeah they couldn't have been in bad hands), the stunt replicas were made of polyurethane
However a problem is that on some of the characters the armor wasn't overlapped correctly (the gorgets would hover awkwardly above the breastplate leaving the neck exposed)
Isn’t the whole point of the movie that it’s supposed to be anachronistic and not all that accurate?
@@jordinagel1184 the music, at least, I know was intended to convey the point that this was a big sporting event, showing the modern experience, so the audience reads the situation in the way that a medieval person would. They could have gone for historical accuracy, but it would not have read the same way for the audience.
This whole shenanigans vould easily be work with some scenes of the actors expressions inside the helmets or make the helmet visor become invisible making ot a see through close up scenes like something from anime/manga. IT'S THAT EASY!!
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Well... I heard the term half helm being tossed around in the Song of ice and fire novels... but THAT is the last thing that would have never ever even come to my mind when imagining what that could mean and obviously JRR Martin surely describes some scull cap type of helmet with that word...
I'd bet they read somewhere that there were half-visors (Halbvisier or falling buffe) and miss-understood the term ... because half visors (a late development of bevors) covered the lower part of the face, usually as part of a Schaller / Sallet, not one side of the face ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falling_buffe
These actors and producers need to learn from the Mandalorian. You can in fact mime your way into expressing emotion while never showing your face.
@A Velsen I should watch that. Is Karl Urban’s Dredd better than Stalone’s? I haven’t watched either movie.
@@TrueMentorGuidingMoonlight It's 10 times better then that garbage.
You never know how many times a general audience member will simply forget who they are watching fight in full armor.
A good movie would make it work...eg use heraldry on the suit of armour
Fair point, though I feel they could give both adversaries colourful, easily distinguishable armors/shields.
@@LeHobbitFan and not make the movie colour pallet 50 shades of grey
Make them wear different suits of armour then? With distinct designs like inlays? Or maybe some damn heraldry, like irl?
@@LeHobbitFan Exactly. Because that's literally how knights distinguished each other in reality
The French King Henry II was killed during a joust. He was struck in the eye by a splinter.
Charles IV, the Roman Emperor in 14th Century, secretly participated in joust and was so wounded so badly that even by today's medical standards, he would have a very small chance to survive.
Nevertheless, he did, but it marked him for life and it deformed his body from healthy to a cripple.
Still, he managed to live over 60 years of age while suffering every day with serious consequences of his injury.
This was very popular sport of knights, and Kings or Emperors we're prohibited by Vatican to participate in this past time because of their importance.
I'm a motorcyclist and I prefer wearing only half a helmet myself. In the case of an accident I simply fall on the helmet side of life.
Damn, everything aside, the reenacment part was so wholesome!
King: "You've done well, here's a couple of thousand Franks and a few Bob(s)."
Knight: "Oh, bloody hell. Where are they going to live? Can't you just pay me in cash, like all the other monarchs?"
The last time Ridley Scott did a medieval movie, it was about Robin Hood... you know... the character famous for his skill with a WAR HAMMMER (seriously he use like 3 arrow in the whole movie). There was also this brilliant scene of Omaha Beach with automatic-bows and boats from WW2...
I mean... what did you expect ?
Half visor because de Carrouges (as per the account) used his dagger's pommel to break the visor lock and then held Le Gris at dagger point. This whole fiddling with the lock part must have - in the artistic eyes of Mr. Scott - looked ungainly, so he did away with it. Plus, we get to see 100% of Matt Driver that way. Or is it Madam Damriver? Confused.
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It most be really "expensive" to have a historian or expert in a big production since they miss again and again in accuracy
Isn’t it also expensive to get a perfectly good helmet prop and cut half the visor off? I highly doubt anyone would be crazy enough to try forging half a visor from the get-go.
No they just think that "accurate" fighting would be dull or lame and prefer fantasy like/pseudo-flamboyant shit since they lack the skills to put a cool yet accurate fight (which make everyone angry when you see that 2mn short about German mercenaries duelling with longsword and no bit of dialogue or Knight of Hope).
@@captainburnos2828 Its so silly, real fighting is so much better. but its hard to imitate someone whom has been practicing to be a knight since they were small children.
Just from a brief snippet in the trailer, it appears that both jousters use half visors, armored on the left side.
In the actual duel. highly cinematic, the alleged rapist stabbed the agrieved husband through the thigh while he was down. But he leapt up, knocked his opponent down, straddled him and popped his visor open with the pommel of his dagger.
A fight choreographer couldn't invent a better duel than these two Normans really fought.
I saw the movie, they filmed the duel really well. Sure, the half helmets are stupid but from a narrative point of view I think they are justified.
@@gijsbrans2338 It's the movies!
I liked a lot of the tactics they used. I'm not a HEMA practitioner but from watching channels like this one, I've learned a little of the theory and tactics. It looked like this movie really tried to implement some of those moves. They used the cross guard to attack. There was grappling. They didn't make the fully armored men move like robots. And....their armor actually worked!
@@keats182 Carrouges' half visor is a problem for me. As said, it's the movies, but the helmet is idiotic, needlessly anti-historical. Maybe the goal was to show Damon's face.
Still, I look forward to watching the fight scene when and if it's ever available for free.
This was actually not the last publicly authorized judiciary duel in France. The last such duel occurred on July 10, 1547, under King Henry II.
@@johntillman6068 I wonder if it's some kind of. "We actually had Damon act these scenes. IT's not a stunt double" (just put any stunt actor in a full plate and call it a day otherwise.)
Allegedly. I have no idea if Damon actually films his own combat stunts lol.
"Based on a true story"
oh yes, who could forget the legend of Half Helm Harry as he was known at first but after his first battle he was known as massive head-wound Harry
If you saw the film, a possible reason that Margurite de Carrouges told her husband Jean Carrouges about her rape and him challenging Jacques Le Gris to a trial by combat, wasn't just simply about honor, but also for the legitimacy of their child (son and heir), that was "conceived" around the time of her rape. Le Gris could always later say that it is his bastard son. If left unchallenged, it could cause a lot of trouble later about inheritance, and the continuation of the "Bloodline".
Why would Jean Carrouges want to claim a bastard child to inherit his Estate? Realisticly he could have just married another woman and get a heir that was actually his flesh and blood. Jean Carrouges definitely wanted to kill Le Gris as revenge for the humiliation of the rape of his wife and the fact that she impregnated by another man. His honor as a respected knight demanded it! Plus its natural most of us would want to beat the shit out of anyone who dares lay a finger on our spouse.
@@taskforceknight9336 Based on how the film depicts it, Carrouges would definitely see it as him getting justice for his wife, but when you put the whole picture together it really seems more like the rape is him finally getting to let his hatred of Le Gris out, and that his wife's rape was just an escalation of the "insults" Le Gris had made toward him.
Assuming there was a rape.
Those are exactly the same questions I thought to when I first saw the trailer. I think it's the exact same thing that happened in Game of Thrones. Sandor Clegane and Jaime Lannister had much more elaborate helmets in the book, but in the series they never wear them just because the characters had to be more recognizable.
Feels like Metatron was getting close to doing a Cato the Elder. Half Helmet delenda est.
10:24 Martial prow-N-ess? Funny misspelling there, my man! Awesome video, regardless! The beginning was hilarious!
1:13
Ah, Breathe? Yes. Breed? Probably not... poor guy 😓
Interesting video, Ralph. Actually I had some inaccurate knowledge about dueling.. You filled in some gaps. Especially the judicial form of dueling.
BTW... Nice to see the fair lady again... tell her not to worry too much about acting.
I saw the trailer for this movie last week and the 1st thing I thought why they hell is his visor only half? I'm going to still see it though after reading about the two real men that fought the duel. Great video Metatron
-Why don't actors in historical battles wear helmets?
Hollywood: Because we've paid millions to have their faces on film!
-But it's ahistorical!
Hollywood: Let's compromise
With a half visor he can smoke a cigarette during a duell.
Barry Lyndon has the seconds or second's seconds doing that IIRC.
If it was an attempt to make it look cool then they failed miserably
I love how the hat come on and off without mention. 😂
Your lady did an excellent job. Dropping the top off her shoulder was well played..
There was said to have been a judicial duel between an accused murderer and the victim's dog. Spoiler Alert! The dog won.
In France a dog was made a Saint. St Guinefort was a big greyhound. His Master, a knight - recently widowered -- left Guinefort in charge of his infant son, whilst he went hunting a pack of wolves in his shire. On the knight's return -- having been eluded by his quarry -- he did not see his son, the nursery was a shambles. and the muzzle and jaws of the dog were bloody. In a rage, he slew the dog with his sword. Just then, the baby cried, and he found his unharmed son under the faithful dog who had protected him from the wolves. Realizing his mistake, he built a shrine to Guinefort. When miracles were attested to the dog's canine holiness, he was revered as a folk saint. The Catholic Church never officially cononised Guinefort and sought to repress his veneration.
@@HootOwl513 some of the stories from that time are something. While the fight depicted in this movie was the last crown sanctioned fight others took place in territories nominally under French control, like Burgundy, where such fighting took place under ducal control. There's a story out of Flanders, I believe, where the combatants ended up rolling around on the ground when one of the men reached up and tore his adversaries testicles off killing him. So much for chivalry huh.
@@jameswilliams3241 And the skill in making a good Gauntlet.
@@HootOwl513 true that!
Period Historian Set Advisor- "Folks, hear me out on this. We'd do well to implement actual historical armor... This means full helmets with visors. It helps with an immersive feeling of the time you're trying to portray. The real story even has a point where Jean de Carrouges character breaks the lock on Le Gris visor mid combat! Pretty great stuff!"
Rick from pawn stars- "Best I can do is half a visor."
You’re the greatest historian in world history Metatron!!!!!
Since i saw the weard helmet in the film trailer i was looking forward for your commentary on this :D
Greetings from Perchtoldsdorf/Austria!
"You Cheeky Muppet" is my new favourite insult. 😂😂😂
There are helmets with air holes drilled into only the right side of the visor, due to most people being right handed if you're going to get hit its likely going to be on the left side. The only advantage that helmet might have is that you can actually breathe (sometimes knights would literally suffocate inside their helmets during battle) and actually being able to see. As a duelist helm it could perhaps work since you won't have arrows flying at you. It could be more of a statement similar to the way gladiators would leave their chest exposed as a way of showing their disregard for danger
"It could be more of a statement similar to the way gladiators would leave their chest exposed as a way of showing their disregard for danger"
That comparison doesn't work because gladiators didn't _voluntarily_ leave their vital organs exposed; that was decided for them. Gladiator matches were entertainment; it wasn't warfare or a judicial match. What direct evidence is there that knights disregarded protective gear in this context? Depictions of the time show knights armouring _up_ , not down. For jousts, sometimes they'd tie additional bevors onto a helmet.
"actually being able to see"
Visors limit vision, but don't completely remove it. Why do you think visors were used at all? If it rendered you blind, a wealthy warrior class wouldn't use them. And for the benefit of freeing _one_ eye, you're exposing half of your face. Simply put: *evidence* doesn't support this.
So excited to watch noble lord the intro goosebumps
In Ireland, 1756 Colonel Jonah Barrington and a certain Mr. Gilbert fought a duel on horseback and armed with both two pistols, a "broadbladed but short" sword with a basket handle and a scian dagger. The duel was nessesary because both parties feared that in the time, when their sons were grown up, the problem would become so large that it would cause a clan feud. So they choose both a champion and let them fight. The first shor was missed but from the second, Barrington got the many of the shots in his face but the large bullet passed him. Enraged by the hit, Barrington charged and a heavy fight broke out in wich Barrington got three cuts and many hits on his scullcap that damaged his hat. Barrington than to save his live stabbed the horse of Mr Gilbert many times until it broke down. Barrington than jumped down to the fallen Mr Gilbert and held him his dagger at the throat and asked him if he would ask for his live or death. Mr Gilbert than said that he would ask for his live but only if he had not to applogize for the reason of the fight. They shook their hands and left together the field.
That is one of the many duels of Ireland in the 18th and 19th century. Not at all Medieval.
I was waiting for your opinion on this one, myself I pretty much know the story and have read the book . In the book it was said that barriers were not used in judicial duels. Don't know I wasn't there. I'll wait until it comes on Netflix.
That smile is from heaven and it can dim the old One's light.
Ngl, I need a montage of Metattron just loosing his mind over hilarious historic errors in shows/movies.
Also, a vote, which reaction was the most expressive, the one with the Netflix show about samurai and simping Katanas, or this one with half visor?
Formidable acting! That for me is the best artistical material you have produced so far.
More reenactment of not so good movie scenes please, because it destilles the essence of it so very good and it shows both your sense of humor and humanity.
Love that intro, made me chuckle
It’s so funny because I just saw the trailer and I knew you were going to tear that apart, glad to see there was a video on it already
I totally agree with you that the only reason they did it is to show that they have the actor's really doing the jousting (or make it look like that if they aren't really doing every scene) but its just way too distracting for me and pull's me out of the realism because no knight would ever want to face a lance with a whole half of his face exposed. even if the other side of the face doesn't "usually" take the impact your just asking for trouble being that un-protected
Hey metatron will you ever do another "strongest for honor heroes in real life" since we got new heroes, also i think it would be a great video if you did the same video but instead of using default armor, use the highest rated armor instead.
It would be a really interesting video to see your take on how much the order changes based on better armor but its just an idea.
Dude none of the new heroes have had any significant top tear armour that can rival the previous heroes so I don’t think the list is chances
@@billychops1280 its mostly for fun but i cant agree when it comes to warmonger she might even rank higher than warden because her weapon
Me: clicking to see if the half-visor half-chopped face had a historical reference or plain stupid.
Also me: gets a full blown lecture about historical judicial duels instead.
Not disappointed.
i don't even care about the helmet really, but this video made me laugh out loud
Just found this channel, very interesting topics. Keep it up my friend, you are my new favorite channel, thank you
I though it's gonna be about "Hawk the Slayer"🤣
Hey, maybe it's a homage🤔🤣!
despite the mail and the half helmet.. maybe its so we can still recognise half the actors face but they got half protection during the duel, I still like the historical accuracies and that they know, weapons can't pierce armour, and i did like seeing the young Charles VI of France, character who I'm sure just love the entertainment of watching a duel
"Full Lame" ...made me crack up good, almost died
One can put some emotion behind a suit of armor, especially rage. It can be conveyed through body movements and body language and especially voice of the armored person
Can we talk about the duel between Peter and Miraz in the Prince Caspian movie? There's a lot of really good stuff in it. They start off with helmets, but abandon them when they get tired. There's pretty good sword and shield work (they use the shields to block instead of throwing them behind themselves), good grappling that would actually work, half swording, and the armor works as it should. I would recommend watching it
It's called a Half-Arseinet. A genuine helmet, mind you.
lol
It's so people can see his facial expression but they can still say he's wearing a helmet
*cough cough Mandalorian cough cough*
that's literally the most meme thing they could have done. Fuck raising the visor, just make half of it.
it would be better if they wore full helmets but also have shots from within the helmet, like how they do Iron Man and War Machine in the MCU.
That was both funny and informative, well done !
Also, props for the really good pronunciation of French names :)
To everybody: Read the book!!!!
The Last Duel by Eric Jager, it tells the true story of this duel and it's a great read.
just started and i’m enjoying it immensely!
@Frank Lucas i’ve no time for trolling neckbeards lol
@Frank Lucas
Then he was wrong. The book tells the true story of the feud between the two knights and explains the background of the Hundred Years War and the legal system in France at the time.
@Frank Lucas
It's wrong first because there's more to the story than that. Like I said, it explains the legal system in France and how duels fit into this. It's called The last duel for a reason: this was the last time a legal duel was held in France because ideas were changing. And there were no witnesses to what happened in the castle, so it was Marguerite's word against Jacques'. And don't forget, I'm talking about the book, not the movie!
Dude Raff, love your work bro. Extremely interesting. 👍⚔
I always thought the armour although the wrong period in Excalibur was well done ..could you do a reaction on that film ?
it makes little sense for a late Roman British character to become a medieval knight. Pretty sure they left earlier when they still had togas on
I read this book - it apparently took 10 years to write as it was very well researched. GREAT book. Can't wait to see the movie!
It was FAN-BLOODY-TASTIC! Best movie I've seen whole year, a return to form for Ridley in every way imaginable
We do see asymmetry in later armour - focusing on the left side as that is the more likely side to hit. In an actual battle I could see this being useful because it's not quite open faced but the side more likey to be hit is covered up. However, if it worked I'm sure we would have historical evidence for it.
I think a half helmet like that is a good idea for a fantasy gladiator. But this particular design is just bad, and for a historical setting even worse.
awesome video as always tanks!
i hope we got an edited version of this movie with CGI -ing a full vigor for both duelist!
11:23 That would make politics far less tedious. I'd pay to see stupid politicians beating the crap out of each other. Far better than these debates...
Up next in the ring, Joe Biden v. Donald Trump! Who will win? Buy your tickets NOW to find out!!!
Technically a buff dude would be able to run as president without problem and just make your life worse but hey funny man get beat by big dude makes it worf
Savages are more civilized than "civilized" people due to the fact that they have to consuder their words lest they get an axe buried in their face.
@@shaggyrumplenutz1610 In all seriousness, I prefer people handling things with civility before handling things with hostility. It's just that these damn politicians of any party act so petty and stupid that it'd be less infuriating if they fight physically.
One thing that irks me is when people say "we shouldn't need to watch our words! People are pussies these days for getting offended!" even though carelessness with speech causing problems have existed since man knew how to communicate. ill chosen words have been known to start wars.
@@cadethumann8605 agreed. Politicians are a cancer polyp on the anus of humanity.
Not to worry. We're still wearing half a helm!
It looks like more effort went into Metatron's costume changes than the film.
Le Gris was knighted before the duel in order that he and Carrouges be of equal standing during the fight. So both of them were knights. The duel itself is shown inaccurately in the movie and contradicts historical records. They were apparently wearing proper full plate and helmets different from that joke of an armour used in the movie. Both killed their opponent's horse with battle axes. Carrouges had to brake the pin of Le Gris' helmet and tear the visor off in order to punch him with a dagger in the neck killing him instantaneously. Before that Jean was repeatedly stubbing his floored adversary with a sword unable to penetrate the plate. Not sure why their duel in the movie is so different from the way it really happened.
I've just thought of a character people would know as "the stupid knight", where the knight can't get people to stop calling him that because he didn't wear his helmet and fell off his horse, because of a fly, after he barely won with only a graze. 😆
@💗𝗙**СК МЕ - СНЕ𝗖𝗞 РR0FILЕ your mother's so old, she probably gave birth to the dragons.
I need a ten hour video of you just drinking that orange Gatorade and twitching.
21 min of Metatron losing half of his mind
21 and a half minutes
It was a 4th wall break when the actor brought up his contract saying he got 1/2 Face time during the movie for the up-tenth time and the director said ‘I just want him to die’
I kind of like these helmets You can have free vision or protection -- just turn the other cheek.