There is nothing to learn about yourself | Krishnamurti
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He is the only man i every came across,that in his "Truth is a pathless land " speech, desired man to be "Absolutely totally and unconditionally free".Free from the fear ,of life,of death of religions of new found religions ,from salvation it self.But to stand alone following know one, to be a light unto oneself .This light ,is lit by oneself ,for if lit by another ,it can be blown out by another.Freedom from the known or classical mess.
Instead of a man once being fluid ,now cramed and distorted by the classical mess.May become fluid again unteathered unconditioned to the classical mess .The awaking of intelligence is this light within oneself.I hate using the word become ,i like better may man be fluid again.Since becomeing is the movement of thought or psychological time.To be instantaneously.
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YESSSSSSS THANK YOU FOR THIS BEAUTIFUL COMMENT
These words are priceless jewels. The biggest gift to mankind. Its truly a celebration to listen to K sir. One of the best thing that has ever happened in my life. Wisdom par excellence. Thank you for uploading these priceless jewels for the benefit of the humanity. For many centuries these words will be a light to the human consciousness. Long live the teachings of K sir. Long live Krishnamurti trust.
I wonder what J would feel/say to know that his words are listened with so much joy, passion and openess now via the internet.
But do we really understand him now?
Not really.
What so great wisdom in these words? He's saying we're nothing then from where these energies of the universe comes from which is converting from one form to another eternally changing and creating, operating and destroying everything, what is that? That's not nothing. Only a fool will be easily gets convinced by these forms of intellectual circus, this is of no use to know anything for real.
@@howdareyou5800Who do you ask that question?
@@Agastya_MuniI didn't here him say that, if I'm correct.
These are your words. It's your interpretation of his words. You compare your interpretation with what you think you know and then you have a judgement about that. That's not very objective, isn't it?
There's no "why" we are here. That's a mind thing. We just "are", continuously.
This is a recipe for a miserable world though. This is exactly why people just don't look at the consequences of what they do and how bad the world is and also why they keep reproducing brainlessly.
@@markzantua8753 youre just confusing 2 worlds you're speaking of the man made world and your world is trash because you all want it to be. You whine about how bad it is yet you all fall in line with your own or another man's tempations greed and lust. So no this isn't why your world is trash in fact it's the exact opposite.
The Universe produced my mind. It gave me the ability to ask why. It’s THE question. It’s not JUST a mind thing. A mind thing, could be THE THING. As in Consciousness. It may feel good to say your mind and your self is nothing, but I don’t see the truth in it.
So why does ONE appear DIVERSE in LIFE?
@waldwassermann For fun 🤷♂️😂 just my perspective. A movie wouldn't be fun if there was only one scene, one character, one line.
This is K's best ever moment
Agreed. Fantastic, yet absolutely real. If understood correctly, this is cutting directly at the root of the "thing" that stops the spontaneous working of the Divine through each of us.
No more f***ing around! Look, Listen, COMPLETELY!
A true radical that walked the Earth. What a profound excerpt.
Same teaching as Krishna, Buddha, Jesus, Mohammed....
Yet the world can not SPIRITUALLY DISCERN these teachings so they became mental/material religions based in Duality(good and evil).
The Material World is Illusory....
Infinite, Incorporeal Omnipresence is the ONLY STATE OF BEING!!
Nothing - Not a thing... What more one wants ❤
Then just leave all this. Why is everyone attached to something and uttering these lines? 😂😂😂
K speaks the greatest truths, and yet he is the hardest to learn from.
Hv we touched anything that is not part of memory ? Look at the gem 💎 !!!
Great to see David Bohm in the audience, and an excellent Q :)
Thank you
Wow it’s 2023 and we still haven’t caught up to these teachings , what’s wrong with us !
We seem to think that as we advance through time, we logically evolve into higher, more enlightened beings, when in fact it's the exact opposite, especially with the advent of modern technological advancements. I think it's been demonstrated through current affairs during recent history that spiritual growth is certainly not congruent with the proliferation of technology. The more access to modern conveniences we have, the more dumbed-down and ignorant we become. So it's no surprise in 2023 we are reverting back to our cavemen ancestors' animalistic nature. In fact, cavemen probably had a greater spiritual connection to the divine and nature, and possessed more wisdom than we'll ever have!
Gratitude! 🙏🏻🙏🏻
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Thank you so much 💎 💡♥️🙏
Such a beautiful soul ❤️
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Yes. Absolutely important friend
Wow that is so deep to me yet it makes sense
Excellent ❤
the Great Teacher
Wonderful
Good Lord,..so relief to hear those priceless words....
Krishna Murthy ji words changed my life. I am very big fan of him
Great talk.
David Bohm makes an appearance in the crowd questions! Apologies, nobody makes an appearance apparently...
Timeless wisdom
He is special 😇
Thanks!
Thank you for your generosity
Thank you for sharing this wisdom
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The best I can listen to all day long❤
'Knowing thyself' is the core of awakening.
'Myself' can mean many things: From the 'body mind existence' to 'true self' .
Infact, every word may have a different meaning for different people, hence one should not take such conversations too deeply, or seriously.
He's passionate and committed to helping people realize otherwise he's totally still.
There is nothing to know, nothing to do. Only consciousness is there. Even that consciousness is not ours. Like in sleep, we ( consciousness) are timeless& spaceless.
Who said this
2:20 his reaction wow profound !!!
You cant be more clear than when you have not a thing to express.
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Glad I came across this on my path. Thank you.
Cám ơn!
Gratitude:-)
Incredible teaching and unique
Not unique in the slightest....
Krishna, Buddha, Jesus and Mohammed all Outlined this Principle, but because the human intellect is ERRONEOUS it can NOT SPIRITUALLY DISCERN their teachings, so they were made into religions based in duality(good and evil)....
Man/Matter is an illusion!!
Infinite, Incorporeal Omnipresence is PRINCIPLE!!
Krishnamurti rides again!
Oh my, this man has the darkest energy, the coldest eyes. We were divinely designed with unique DNA, unique fingerprints and a unique perception of life. The idea that we are nothing and nobody is not only preposterous, but an insult to our Creator. I am delighted and joyful to explore myself as 'me' and experience this changing and growing over the decades. I feel profoundly sad for those who listen to this nihilistic dirge and believe in it as a goal!
Gratidão
Because it is Infinite!!!
Very transcendental teachings ❤❤❤
The body has no life of itself. Thought has no life of itself. By themselves, they are inert. They are activated by life. Life is the only Being. What is life? What is consciousness? When activated by life, thought creates the idea "I", a simulacrum of Being.
Because thought is limited, the simulacrum is limited, insufficient. Consciousness, which is life, cannot be measured - it is infinite, unknowable. Because life is infinite, the simulacrum, by reflection, wants to be complete too. So, it goes after power, position, fortune, and all the rest of it, never reaching completeness. In this ambition, it creates division, competition, wars and destruction.
Do I depend on thought to be alive and conscious? Who or what am I? Can I measure who or what I am? With which instrument? Am I not the unknowable?
If we reject everything psychologically that thought has put together, we will then become only energy..because everything we do, everything we did..all the thing we had gone through is Just Thought. From act of walking, eating and everything is created by thought itself..its core for our life, without it we are as Jiddu said.. NOTHING.
That's again just thought.....
But from where did this energy came to existence and how the energy got its various different forms and properties that's the real question of mysticism, not this thought exercise non sense of Jiddu.
Nope you're just consciousness
@@Agastya_MuniAnd what is the answer to that 'real question of mysticism'?
I don't want to offend you, but I wonder if you understand what this is about.
I'm no specialist, but I know something about human anatomy. Concepts like ego, self or psyche are usually located in the brain. Neuro scientists have mapped the whole architecture of the brain and there are no structures that can objectively be identified as such. They simply don't exist. So what are we talking about?
There is no objective self or ego or me or psyche. These concepts are constructed by thought; they exist in thought as an idea. It's a complete virtual thing, it's illusion. What ever you say about something that doesn't exist is nonsence! But since we are so conditioned - programmed - from childhood on, it's obviously very difficult to understand, let alone to be aware off.
You exist as a biological organism controled by a brain, like all the other vertebrae, or even a fruit flie. That brain controls your walking, eating, sleeping and all the rest of it through awareness. In that we do not differ from a cow or a mouse. All these brains, however big or small, do the same thing: provide food, safety and reproduction. These are the biological conditions for life.
In modern human beings - Homo sapiens - cognition evolved into the abillity of thinking. We need that imagination for practical reasons, otherwise we can't function. Whithout it, we couldn't even make a shopping list.
But the whole psychological part of that cognition is illusion. It's virtual ballast! If we are not aware of it as an actual fact - and most people are not - that illusion manifests itself in reality through our acting, inwardly and outwardly.
The world we bring about is the cultural product of thought, but unfortunatly the quality of that world is illusion, because we live in that illusion inwardly, wich causes enormous havoc in our world!
That's a fact. The seeing of that fact is the understanding; it's the actual pin put in the bubble!
Than what happens?
Love all the comments!!!
Absolut minunat.🌹
Nice! Dacă ai ajuns aici, sigur ai trecut și pe la Alan Watts și Tolle! Dacă nu, dă-le o vizită.
@@MTZArtist am fost , am trecut dar de acest vorbitor nu pot sa trec.😊
To be able to understand the fact that one is “no-thing”, one needs to go thru in a kind of “Dark Night of the Soul” to realize who one is not. One is not the mind. But this realization comes as a Grace. One cannot “make it happen”.
So then, If it comes as a grace, why then are gurus and spiritual teachers trying to teach methods to reach it and make it seem like everyone who isn't trying to get to this realisation is wasting their life.
It defeats the essence of K holding these talks, why is there a gathering trying to tell people what this "no-thing" is when it is achieved by grace which we aren't in control of?
@@QurlirtyBrainwave I think its like the sleep analogy were you ultimately cant force sleep to happen but standing up in a fully lit room at night hyperventilating as your surfing on webMD won't make it likely that you will.
It is indeed paradoxical. But it seems there is a kind of urge to share the ineffable loving feeling people who went thru enlightenment experienced. But the thing is that it is ineffable… Only a person who had such an experience could possibly understand…
The idea might be to show the moon to the audience and hopefully they will not focus on the finger
@@QurlirtyBrainwaveyou need to become available to grace
But then your realisation becomes a thing, unless you totally let go of it. Even if you identify as the watcher of thought, the infinite, you are still creating a thing.
Great man talking. Everything he speaks is so profound.
God bless u all love you all
You've probably said the only worthy response to his work. May you be free from suffering, may you be at peace!
this poves that you are an extraordinary
With the exception of the artificial and abstract thinker in you, you are pure Nature.
Exactly
When you THINK you are "something" that is where the ego comes in. We are all the same "thing"; nothing. Not "I" but being "we" and nothingness.. ohh such a relief..
The EGO is actually the Human Intellect.....
Consciousness is INFINITE Omnipresence, which is THE ONLY STATE OF BEING, and there's the Illusory Sense of being(matter) caused by entertaining a belief duality(good and evil).....
They told me to learn about myself! Now I hate myself! And everyone else too.
The man with the glasses was Dave Bohm.
That i learnt many many years ago what to learn about myself.
Absolutely true.We are so identified with that animate or inanimate " other(observed),that we have " become that ",and have concluded,"I am that " !!! Unless there is a "gap" between the observer and his observed ,there is no question of " learning about yourself".Serious introspection is the only way out for humanity to learn about oneself,and understand our true self.More importantly,we have understand,as a fact,that all the information gathered and stored as memory in content of consciousness is not our true self.If that is so,then the next step will be " who am I"?To come to this stage of inquiry,we will have to see conclusions as nothing more than a subjective opinion,coming out of a conditioned mind.
Beautiful
Nothing is what I learn from this video. There is nothing to learn about this video.
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Listening to these talks is just mind candy. He never appeared to be happy.
u r missing the profound nature of his revelation. I read JK many yrs ago, then got into lot of psychology, recently again i watched him. THis time I got it. Pl be patient . It's worth the wait /try to understand. It frees us psychologically totally.
@@_.-c his revelation to throw away the mindstuff is not that novel. a version of buddhist no self practice.
as Toddzen pointed out though, be aware that he doesn't look happy, that's an obvious tell that smtg is off on an energetic level w this teaching.
his goal may have been to alleviate suffering by removing thoughts, but it didn't seem to lead to joy for him, just absence of suffering.
no self practice can lead in that direction, removing the toys of the child that is the mind so it can grow up can be very serious stuff!
i perso prefer self as that which possesses all positives qualities though, still free from suffering, but got a little more brightness to it.
This freedom is beyond happiness. What you are doesn't know happiness and does not depend on it.
The purpose of life is to live outside the intellect that created this illusory world you believe you exist within....just like Krishna, Buddha, Jesus and Mohammed did!!
These beautiful Mystics outlined INFINITE, INCORPOREAL OMNIPRESENCE AS PRINCIPLE, knowing matter to be illusory!!
Intellect took these teachings and did what is natural to it: TURNED THEIR TEACHINGS INTO DUALISM!!(good and evil)
@@minimal3734what does it depend upon?
Simply brilliant.
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It’s truly amazing how he admits that what he says sounds like there is something in it, but maybe it is actually empty.
Well he is saying something about 'nothing' so in essence he is saying nothing. The problem with him and UG is that if you enter into their worldview seeking to 'understand' the ego has already snuck in 'you*' ARE still in charge and you is the illusion of thoughts constructed on memory. I don't know personally that too many people - myself included have the bandwidtch and psychological make-up to enter into his experience. It demands the sacrifice of everything we hold - I hold dear, my house, my partner, my family - Jesus said the same thing about those who wish to follow him, abandoning wife and children etc. Which is as it should be - if there were 5 people on his level of realization in any one place who the hell knows what might happen?
Nothing to say, nothing to teach, nothing to learn. Nothing to sell, no pills, no potions, no powders.
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I definitely know why I am here
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Thought has invented all.
Because of those religions,wars are here.
Because of false beliefs, wars are here. Religion being one of the most false beliefs. Nationalism and ethnocentrism, authoritarianism also cause wars.
Not just because those religions. Wars have a deeper cause.
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❤pure attention pure existence demolishing my BPD and Narcissistic personality ❤mindfullness of pure awareness 😎 as easy as that
He is a Fire if you go near him you will be burn that's.
will we ever know
innumerable motives
just be as you are
"Are we clear about what we mean when we say we want to learn about ourselves?".."Or do we have innumerable motives?".....it is this resoluteness to keep on demolishing which the Guru (yes, Krishnamurti would never approve of being given this title) keeps at, more than anything else. To stop us in our motive-tracks.
K: why are we here?
Very good question indeed. I'd say: To become aware of unconscious actions/speech/habits etc.
Like a newborn baby
i like to constantly learn about stuff tho and theself
Socrates said: ‘ Know Thyself’( gnothi seauton). I’d like to see S. & K.confront each other with this subject. Thought is necessary for many things( K. would agree). He ‘ preaches’ that “ Life begins where thought ends”. But remember K. is using thinking to explain his philosophy. K. is not too fond of being ‘challenged’, I feel.
Their is nothing to learn from Krishnamurti !!
Grazie 🙏
Dang!
And yet he learned about himself that there’s nothing to learn about himself.
There is also an Krishnamurti's interview with the italian public television RAI with Bruno Modugno years '970...
One has to see everything that thought has put together. Everything has been put together by thought. The question is, what is the source of thought? Experience might be the answer. The question then to ask is where do experiences come from?
The source of thought is memory, that’s why each person thinks differently having different personalities and knows different languages, acquired from experience
Where do memory or experience come from?, “Rupert Spira” can explain it better
Experience comes from senses and beyond senses
The ground of experience is consciousness
And we're conscious beings including animals birds bacteria...etc
Thoughts come from words, doctrines, teachings, opinions, ideas, etc
Rubbish from people but we carry it on
The Experience Comes from the Memory Which is Expereinced by the Experiencer......
And with this question thought can´t give an answer, because in itself is experience and memory, isn´t it?
I have to comment. "dave" played a tape of Krsnamurti to me as TS society had come to school to talk about BobDylan. I did an essay that got used and misused afterwards by hummans. It was called On The Mountain. But thereafter TS people and Mahrishi people and meditation teacher at Un were given chance to sit on dave's sofa on a stage and show just what true enemies can do. BobDylan of course was able to use every such experience for yet another death defying song. he always translated the Indians into King Peter Johnstone born in South Africa. He seemingly enjoyed the apartheid and his mother name was Penny as in ww 1 corpses with a penny on eyelids. He lived with death personified or a corpse who just happened to be his mother. Stage govt gave him so much help and status and power too, even used UK Prince Charles 111.
He means that your thought saying who you are is an illusion because thought is limited and you are eternal so it is not real. Thought that creates the "me" is an illusion. Thought is only important as an instrument in the material world but not in the psycological world. That's all.
Without discovering who I am, and wanting to know about the universe and God, I find myself in the strange and curious situation of wanting to know about everything else without knowing who wants to know.
I am not two, one to know the other. It's really about discovering, removing what covers. I can, apparently, cover the sun with the palm of my hand. But that hand is only seen by me because of the sunlight. Likewise, I only perceive theories, beliefs and concepts - which seemingly cover the infinite light - because of that light itself.
To see the sun, I need to remove my hand from its position in front of my eyes. To see the infinite light, it is necessary to remove, by understanding the facts, the superimposition which is beliefs, theories and mental representations.
In this case, seeing is being.
It's a great adventure, which, initially, can cause fear. But this fear also subsides.
"Have you learnt anything about yourself, while you're here?"
Yes, I learned that I am nothing, and so are the rest. :)
You don't learn from thinking. Thinking however is us. We're on the road of destruction and there's no thought that can end it.
You aren't your thoughts. Thoughts are appearing and disappearing while you aren't.
A structure of memories ="I".
if Yoda was a person....this would be Him.
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