Steve was always an Idea and marketing guy. Not so much a tech guy. He was hard to work with at times and for some. I personally never had a problem with him in the times when I had to work with him directly. But I was warned that he would size me up the first moment I would met him. He never said as much to me directly, but I later found out that he liked my work and that was all that mattered to him. He wanted a proof of concept for what would become the Apple store. I was the first manager and setup the first displays, demos, and merchandising look for the store. So, before the store was to be officially opened he came in for several visits, to evaluate it. He liked my worked, discussed my ideas for the opening and then made suggestions and requests for changes that we bounced back and forth based on several factors that would be in play at the store. He had done his research and knew a lot. Which is why he drove a lot of people crazy or into tears, as well as he had an ego as big as Apple itself.
Daniel Kottke - even though officially he wasn’t among the first 10 Apple employees- was perhaps one of the most influential. He even helped in assembling the Apple I computer, along with another “non-official” early Apple employee: Steve Jobs sister Patty.
Back in the late 70's I was a member of HAUG Houston Apple User Group. At our Saturday Afternoon meeting we had Steve Wozniak to be our speaker. After work I headed down the Southwest Freeway to the Royal Coach Inn. I got there a little early and found a good seat on the 2nd row. About 10 minutes before 2:00PM I made the comment "I wonder if Steve Wozniak make it here yet" The guy in front of me turned around and said "I got here as fast as I could". I told him welcome to Houston. I had my 35mm SLR film camera and took a number of pictures as he gave his speech. Some people had brought the tops of their Apple II computers there to have Steve autograph them. I wish I had thought of that. The Royal Coach Inn is long gone but that meeting with the Woz remains.
& obviously the NeXT software evolved into the computer software ( IOS) that Apple then used after rehiring Jobs..... to revolutionise personal computing !
@@JimzAuto You mean the inventor of the worldwide web. The Internet came out of DARPA, a US government defense agency. The worldwide web added hypertext transfer protocol which made it much easier to navigate the Internet.
This is how things work. Many of the most successful businesses in the US and elsewhere had a sales and marketing innovator teamed with an inventor or developer.
@@brachiator1 so true . i own a failing business .wondered why my wife needs jus 30 mins to sell my product and i could talk for ages and dont get it sold most times . her company fluorishes . lucky she dont need my money and she is still my wife .
One ting I think that people forget is that Jobs (as far as I can recall) did little in the way of actual design work and that's where Wozniak came into play, and was instrumental and the mastermind behind a lot of the actual hardware and software that Apple used. And Interestingly, Wozniak is still alive today, despite eating quite poorly during those early days while Jobs went on his whole fruit and natural foods thing. Although I guess the other difference is that Jobs didn't like or care for doctors or whatever (medicine) or was into the natural healing, whereas Wozniak was more into the science science and basically took care of himself through the help of doctors. I think even towards the end during his cancer, Jobs probably still didn't trust the medical field and that among other things (like drug use) lead to his ultimate demise in 2011. One tidbit that was a bit downplayed here was the HP thing. Initially HP had to deny the concept for Apple to continue. If they had liked the idea, there wouldn't have been an Apple probably (as it sounds like HP had first rights to any designs that Wozniak had come up with on their time, which makes sense as this is common policy at most companies -- products developed on company time with company resources are property of the company, unless otherwise stated).
say what you were about Steve Jobs, but he was the beating heart of Apple and the one of the two true innovators unfortunately that flame seems to be going out very quickly at the moment
Same with Bill Gates ..bought the first program from a developer that didn't want to sign a non disclosure form with IBM and leased it back to them. Brilliant move
NOTHING he did NOTHING in the way of technical design work (he forbid fans on the Apple III, killing the product. That's the kind of design he did). Jobs knew how to mess with wetware. He was an evil social engineer.
@@vincentkosik403 Gates was selling BASIC all over the world, to many different companies, it's difficult to find microcomputers that didn't use MicroSoft Basic. He got into Harvard, after all, and Ballmer was his business guy. Gates started with tech no how. Jobs started with psychopathy.
@@BillGreenAZ that's not true. Anyone who is motivated can read the discussion boards on how Linus made Linux. the problem is that the story is kinda boring. It's really the story of how GNU failed to make their own Unix-like operating system (Hurd), and Linus, the uni student, made their work, with the example of Minix, into practical software.
@@squirlmy yeah, you're right. It is out there, but it's scattered all over and it can be difficult to find. I would enjoy if someone put together a video here about him.
Whoever wrote the script for this re: Jobs founding of NeXT has absolutely no clue. You wouldn't have the WWW or any of the other myriad software innovations today without them. The historical impact of a company is not measured solely by it's accounting bottom-line, but the impact made by it's innovations, experiences and inspirations.
this is true, NeXT was around for ten years, in later years software only, creating WebObjects, a platform for building large-scale dynamic web applications in '96. And the NeXTSTEP OS was the basis for both Mac OSX, iOS. But the video also doesn't tell us what a sociopath Jobs was, so -fail.
That guy who sold his Apple shares early has to vie with the guy who paid for a pizza with 10,000 bitcoins now worth several billion, as the worse premature sell ever.
I remember back hearing about Apple computers maybe circa 1980...too bad I didn't connect with what was going to happen.. Fascinating 😎 how it all came about and is now...Steve Jobs got unlucky with his health...but had a full life
Jobs also never showered, treated his only daughter like absolute dirt, was absolutely hell to work with at all times, and is probably one of the most overrated people to ever exist on this planet. Yes, Apple is a pretty huge company. Yes he had something to do with that.however, this man is glorified by people beyond belief when he should really be vilified.
Aside from narcissm and other developed personality traits (maybe even caused by ones own behaviour towards others and experience of their reactions), there is a significant part of personality (or temeperament in the first years) which one didn't choose in their own, be it due to genetics, behaviour of family, peers, etc. If the brain is "wired" that way (be it learned behaviour (maybe even due to the brains way of experiencing things), connection strengths or neurotransmitter imbalances) it's difficult to impossible to change that.
The silly idea that Jobs was just a marketing guy, not a tech guy, is such a profound misstatement, or that the brilliant guy was Wozniak. Neither of these things are fundamentally true. Jobs had a vision for how the technology should work and he guided engineers who had absolutely no clue. As for Wozniak, if that were true, he'd have come back and led the company to its current status. He has never had any successful products on his own. When Jobs came back the REASON was not because he was a "Marketing Guy" or that he was "Steve Jobs", the reason was NeXT's technology, which included a powerful UNIX based operating system that would trump Windows powerfully. Windows at the time was spaghetti code and if you ask anyone studying programming at the time, an easy assignment in any programming class might take just a few minutes to an hour in OS X / or any Unix based system, and a week for Windows. THAT and the ability to run multiple OS systems at the same time, made OS X a powerful new underpinning of the Mac and was WHY they asked Jobs back.
Tracking the first employees is so tricky you got it incorrect. You missed at least Rick Hyde who was hired in 1976, which predates some of those you listed. Also you attribute a lot of success to Apple which really doesn't belong to Apple; it was not an outstanding product until Dan Bricklen developed VisiCalc for the Apple II and he only developed it on the Apple II by sheer chance. Apple also nearly went out of business and had to be propped up financially by Bill Gates. All in All luck is the biggest factor in Apple's success not keen leadship or superior product until maybe you get the Iphone/ipod.
What is funny is that a fledgling company by the name of Microsoft, run by a young Bill Gates, ended up writing the new OS for Apple (Applesoft) because they needed a quick cash infusion and the licensing terms were extremely generous ($21,000 for eight years) which allowed Apple to evolve said OS over its line of Apple II series of systems with no further payment. Applesoft became available during the latter part of the Apple II's run on floppy or casette and was later programmed into the actual ROMs going forward from the Apple II+ (which I learned on). Wozniak said he was working on a floating point version of Integer Basic but he was glad that Applesoft came along to free him up to do other engineering projects.
NeXT - “unremarkable results”! The NeXT software is at the heart of OS X and iOS and made it possible for Apple to become the first trillion dollar company
S.J. abandoned his baby daughter and did not want to have anything with her. He also introduced the planned obsolescence. These two actions say everything about this idiot. And these are just two of many reason he was a negative individual, to say the least.
It's like any other selfish person, don't look at anyone that contribute too whole , Just think of them selves , Steve Jobs , the geeky Microsoft guy , the guy that stole the code while he was in college from 3 college guys you know him that owns Facebook .. personally I wouldn't have took a one-time payout .. would've have taken shares in Facebook Da FYI ... you know where Steve Jobs got the idea of the code he worked at IBM .. IBM should have had in their contract when they hired this guy that in no way you are to revolve any information that you've learned for 25 years or use and proprietary technology does Steve Jobs didn't come up with he got all the ideals from IBM
Apple and Motorola had some kind of weird partnership that created a mess in the 1990's. I worked at Motorola Semiconductor Products in 1990 that used the Mackintosh SE computer exclusively. A real piece of junk. It took 15 minutes to boot up and you could measure the clock speed with a sundial. If you wanted to send a file to the printer it was a good excuse to take the rest of the day off because you weren't going to use that computer for anything else until the printing was complete.
1985 ? Jeez by then I had opened 200 franchise PC stores all over the US and Europe. #1 best seller Apple II then 1981 IBM entered the market. I left IT in 1983.
For me, Steve Wozniak invented the apple computer, and Steve Jobs was the mouthpiece or the "car salesman" he had the words and the attitude for that position. He talked a lot while the true inventor went off to new endeavors
This sounds about right, but the new ideas Jobs later brought (or "steal"/borrow) really made a big differenc. His design ideas were mostly great, only sometimes the design would disturb the overall function, like overheating devices because of no proper fan.
What do you think Apple would look like if Steve Jobs was still around?
More innovative.
He was never an inventor, just a marketing guy so we're not missing out on anything in terms of technological advancement.
Bingo, he was the salesman @@draoi99
PROBABLY HE WOULD BECOME A SOCIAL WARRIER LIKE BILL GATES IN HIS OLD AGE!!!
@@draoi99The old “Elon Musk didn’t invent anything” trap. Bogus. Read more.
Steve was always an Idea and marketing guy. Not so much a tech guy. He was hard to work with at times and for some. I personally never had a problem with him in the times when I had to work with him directly. But I was warned that he would size me up the first moment I would met him. He never said as much to me directly, but I later found out that he liked my work and that was all that mattered to him. He wanted a proof of concept for what would become the Apple store. I was the first manager and setup the first displays, demos, and merchandising look for the store. So, before the store was to be officially opened he came in for several visits, to evaluate it. He liked my worked, discussed my ideas for the opening and then made suggestions and requests for changes that we bounced back and forth based on several factors that would be in play at the store. He had done his research and knew a lot. Which is why he drove a lot of people crazy or into tears, as well as he had an ego as big as Apple itself.
Daniel Kottke - even though officially he wasn’t among the first 10 Apple employees- was perhaps one of the most influential. He even helped in assembling the Apple I computer, along with another “non-official” early Apple employee: Steve Jobs sister Patty.
Woz got number 1, so Steve took number 0.
Back in the late 70's I was a member of HAUG Houston Apple User Group. At our Saturday Afternoon meeting we had Steve Wozniak to be our speaker. After work I headed down the Southwest Freeway to the Royal Coach Inn. I got there a little early and found a good seat on the 2nd row. About 10 minutes before 2:00PM I made the comment "I wonder if Steve Wozniak make it here yet" The guy in front of me turned around and said "I got here as fast as I could". I told him welcome to Houston. I had my 35mm SLR film camera and took a number of pictures as he gave his speech.
Some people had brought the tops of their Apple II computers there to have Steve autograph them. I wish I had thought of that.
The Royal Coach Inn is long gone but that meeting with the Woz remains.
"He started NeXT Software - with unremarkable results..." I think this is downplaying things. The web was born from NeXT computers. That is huge.
Not sure the NEXT device itself was instrumental- it just happened to be the device used by the ‘inventor of the internet’
& obviously the NeXT software evolved into the computer software ( IOS) that Apple then used after rehiring Jobs..... to revolutionise personal computing !
@@JimzAuto You mean the inventor of the worldwide web. The Internet came out of DARPA, a US government defense agency. The worldwide web added hypertext transfer protocol which made it much easier to navigate the Internet.
Next was key to MacOS but not really the web…
next was suppose to be what Apple is today
Wozniak's the real genius. Jobs was an amazing sales guy.
This is how things work. Many of the most successful businesses in the US and elsewhere had a sales and marketing innovator teamed with an inventor or developer.
Both technology and marketing are needed together to create a useful solution for the customer.
@@brachiator1 so true . i own a failing business .wondered why my wife needs jus 30 mins to sell my product and i could talk for ages and dont get it sold most times . her company fluorishes . lucky she dont need my money and she is still my wife .
I wonder where Apple would be if he were really in control ?
They’d still be selling The Apple IIe ( ? )
Jobs was a use requirements guy ... that is far beyond being a sales guy.
NEXT became MacOS X. It was not unremarkable.
True, but NEXT never was a big hit on its own. So one could say that while the Next OS was a great success the Next company was not.
Yes, the above discussion lacked basic technical understanding.
Videos say things like "NeXT was unremarkable" because too many business people know the price of everything but the value of nothing.
Yeah that was an idiotic comment
As a Bay Area native it's crazy to know these guys made this stuff just a few miles away from me.
One ting I think that people forget is that Jobs (as far as I can recall) did little in the way of actual design work and that's where Wozniak came into play, and was instrumental and the mastermind behind a lot of the actual hardware and software that Apple used. And Interestingly, Wozniak is still alive today, despite eating quite poorly during those early days while Jobs went on his whole fruit and natural foods thing. Although I guess the other difference is that Jobs didn't like or care for doctors or whatever (medicine) or was into the natural healing, whereas Wozniak was more into the science science and basically took care of himself through the help of doctors. I think even towards the end during his cancer, Jobs probably still didn't trust the medical field and that among other things (like drug use) lead to his ultimate demise in 2011.
One tidbit that was a bit downplayed here was the HP thing. Initially HP had to deny the concept for Apple to continue. If they had liked the idea, there wouldn't have been an Apple probably (as it sounds like HP had first rights to any designs that Wozniak had come up with on their time, which makes sense as this is common policy at most companies -- products developed on company time with company resources are property of the company, unless otherwise stated).
say what you were about Steve Jobs, but he was the beating heart of Apple and the one of the two true innovators unfortunately that flame seems to be going out very quickly at the moment
Same with Bill Gates ..bought the first program from a developer that didn't want to sign a non disclosure form with IBM and leased it back to them.
Brilliant move
NOTHING he did NOTHING in the way of technical design work (he forbid fans on the Apple III, killing the product. That's the kind of design he did). Jobs knew how to mess with wetware. He was an evil social engineer.
@@vincentkosik403 Gates was selling BASIC all over the world, to many different companies, it's difficult to find microcomputers that didn't use MicroSoft Basic. He got into Harvard, after all, and Ballmer was his business guy. Gates started with tech no how. Jobs started with psychopathy.
A friend who worked at Apple says that all the CEOs try to be like Steve but at last no one can ever be like Steve.
Jobs was the visionary of Apple
Woz was the genius of Apple
thought this was an Ashton Kutcher video
yeh i can see why...
Me Too Lmao 🤣
AK isn’t really a tech billionaire but he played one on tv. 🤑
Same lol
Right! What happened to FES, for example? 😂
Nice. Please do videos on Gary Kildall and Linus Torvalds.
A story on Torvalds would be great. He influenced an entire industry yet little is known about him and how he started Linux.
@@BillGreenAZ that's not true. Anyone who is motivated can read the discussion boards on how Linus made Linux. the problem is that the story is kinda boring. It's really the story of how GNU failed to make their own Unix-like operating system (Hurd), and Linus, the uni student, made their work, with the example of Minix, into practical software.
@@squirlmy yeah, you're right. It is out there, but it's scattered all over and it can be difficult to find. I would enjoy if someone put together a video here about him.
Whoever wrote the script for this re: Jobs founding of NeXT has absolutely no clue. You wouldn't have the WWW or any of the other myriad software innovations today without them. The historical impact of a company is not measured solely by it's accounting bottom-line, but the impact made by it's innovations, experiences and inspirations.
this is true, NeXT was around for ten years, in later years software only, creating WebObjects, a platform for building large-scale dynamic web applications in '96. And the NeXTSTEP OS was the basis for both Mac OSX, iOS. But the video also doesn't tell us what a sociopath Jobs was, so -fail.
We had NeXT computers in our middle school.
Next did quite a lot for computer industry actually. large parts of apple's os's after his return use code ported from next software.
Management needs leadership and this absolutely requires vision, this particular factoid is very, very rare. Treasure these very special people!
That guy who sold his Apple shares early has to vie with the guy who paid for a pizza with 10,000 bitcoins now worth several billion, as the worse premature sell ever.
I probably coudn't live with myself if I was Ronald Wayne
I joined in 1981 and was employee #2054. 😁
Steve ended up being one heck of a guy. He was the best.
NeXT is why Jobs was able to create Apple 2.0 so quickly and effectively, using linux under the covers.
You are very confused. Next and Mac OS were BSD derivatives. They have literally nothing to do with Linux.
@@stargazer7644 Not all that confused, both are unix, but you are right.
@@daninthemoon2616 No, they aren't Unix either. Linux is a "Unix-like" system, and BSD is derived from very early Unix, but none of them are Unix.
Most of that is untrue. There's a lot of supposition and made up information about people who are deceased or no longer at Apple.
NeXT wasn't unremarkable, Jobs sold it to Apple in 1997 for $427M and it became the foundation for their new MacOS X and all others going forward.
They did not mention Michael Scott after his tenure in Apple became a manager of a paper company named Dunder Mifflin.
I remember back hearing about Apple computers maybe circa 1980...too bad I didn't connect with what was going to happen..
Fascinating 😎 how it all came about and is now...Steve Jobs got unlucky with his health...but had a full life
I think Steve Jobs has had the greatest revenge story.
Fascinating!👍🙂
The story about the badge numbers is Jobs wasn’t given employee badge number “1” so he went back and insisted on getting the number “0”.
Next is MacOS
Thanks!
So many errors in the first 3 minutes that I can’t watch anymore.
Steve Jobs actually demanded he become employee zero to come back. So he ended up first employee.
7 out of 10 employees of Apple before becoming a household name around the world are rich today!
Why do they go from apple 🍎 to rockets 🚀 😅🎉😂❤😅
It's a pity he is not with us anymore. RIP
Well, he would be very severely pissed by a lot of design choices Apple made after his demise
I wonder what the founders, visionaries and demonstrated geniuses, think of the company today? Products like the Vision Pro..
they think this UA-camr is an idiot.
Jobs also never showered, treated his only daughter like absolute dirt, was absolutely hell to work with at all times, and is probably one of the most overrated people to ever exist on this planet. Yes, Apple is a pretty huge company. Yes he had something to do with that.however, this man is glorified by people beyond belief when he should really be vilified.
I’d really like to know what happened to F.E.S.? 😂
Damn he did look a lot like kuchar
Jobs was employee #0.
no numbers, no license plates! lol
That's exactly right. When Jobs heard that Woz had been made employee #1, he insisted on being assigned #0.
No parents, no loved ones, no ties . No wonder he was difficult to get along with and had no respect for people. S Jobs, not really a loss.
Aside from narcissm and other developed personality traits (maybe even caused by ones own behaviour towards others and experience of their reactions), there is a significant part of personality (or temeperament in the first years) which one didn't choose in their own, be it due to genetics, behaviour of family, peers, etc. If the brain is "wired" that way (be it learned behaviour (maybe even due to the brains way of experiencing things), connection strengths or neurotransmitter imbalances) it's difficult to impossible to change that.
The silly idea that Jobs was just a marketing guy, not a tech guy, is such a profound misstatement, or that the brilliant guy was Wozniak. Neither of these things are fundamentally true. Jobs had a vision for how the technology should work and he guided engineers who had absolutely no clue. As for Wozniak, if that were true, he'd have come back and led the company to its current status. He has never had any successful products on his own. When Jobs came back the REASON was not because he was a "Marketing Guy" or that he was "Steve Jobs", the reason was NeXT's technology, which included a powerful UNIX based operating system that would trump Windows powerfully. Windows at the time was spaghetti code and if you ask anyone studying programming at the time, an easy assignment in any programming class might take just a few minutes to an hour in OS X / or any Unix based system, and a week for Windows. THAT and the ability to run multiple OS systems at the same time, made OS X a powerful new underpinning of the Mac and was WHY they asked Jobs back.
Tracking the first employees is so tricky you got it incorrect. You missed at least Rick Hyde who was hired in 1976, which predates some of those you listed. Also you attribute a lot of success to Apple which really doesn't belong to Apple; it was not an outstanding product until Dan Bricklen developed VisiCalc for the Apple II and he only developed it on the Apple II by sheer chance. Apple also nearly went out of business and had to be propped up financially by Bill Gates. All in All luck is the biggest factor in Apple's success not keen leadship or superior product until maybe you get the Iphone/ipod.
What is funny is that a fledgling company by the name of Microsoft, run by a young Bill Gates, ended up writing the new OS for Apple (Applesoft) because they needed a quick cash infusion and the licensing terms were extremely generous ($21,000 for eight years) which allowed Apple to evolve said OS over its line of Apple II series of systems with no further payment. Applesoft became available during the latter part of the Apple II's run on floppy or casette and was later programmed into the actual ROMs going forward from the Apple II+ (which I learned on). Wozniak said he was working on a floating point version of Integer Basic but he was glad that Applesoft came along to free him up to do other engineering projects.
Jobs was the Visionary. There are those that watch things happen and those that MAKE things happen.
the reason he end up back at Apple was because Apple bought NEXT for the software
I was in the top 10 employee and I didn’t make crap
Michael Scott, lol.
Yea, Next was unremarkable - c'mon
A "Marxist" with 67 million dollars. Shouldn't he be sharing? 😆
NeXT - “unremarkable results”! The NeXT software is at the heart of OS X and iOS and made it possible for Apple to become the first trillion dollar company
S.J. abandoned his baby daughter and did not want to have anything with her. He also introduced the planned obsolescence. These two actions say everything about this idiot. And these are just two of many reason he was a negative individual, to say the least.
NeXT was software now? Interesting.... People watch this shit.
So disruptive!
Doesn’t even mention the first employee at Apple. 🤦♂️
Jobs was an ass!..Wozniak was the Brains behind Apple.
Making 67 Million, do a lot of yachting for pleasure, calling yourself a socialist...
stupid graphics
Jobs didn’t do shit. It was Wozniak! The real founder of apples.
You guys really shit out video after video, dont you?
It's like any other selfish person, don't look at anyone that contribute too whole , Just think of them selves , Steve Jobs , the geeky Microsoft guy , the guy that stole the code while he was in college from 3 college guys you know him that owns Facebook .. personally I wouldn't have took a one-time payout .. would've have taken shares in Facebook Da FYI ... you know where Steve Jobs got the idea of the code he worked at IBM .. IBM should have had in their contract when they hired this guy that in no way you are to revolve any information that you've learned for 25 years or use and proprietary technology does Steve Jobs didn't come up with he got all the ideals from IBM
Boo hoo. Shut up, bitch
Type drunk, edit/post sober.
Jobs worked briefly at Atari. Woz at HP. none of them at IBM.
Hating the robo voice and mispronouncing “Jobs” so I left this comment after 30 seconds of vid
That's a real person doing the voiceover.
@@Dennis_Reynolds_Golden_God video is still crap, he saved himself 12 minutes of suffering.
Wozniak was Apple Jobs was a prick.
cool
Apple and Motorola had some kind of weird partnership that created a mess in the 1990's. I worked at Motorola Semiconductor Products in 1990 that used the Mackintosh SE computer exclusively. A real piece of junk. It took 15 minutes to boot up and you could measure the clock speed with a sundial. If you wanted to send a file to the printer it was a good excuse to take the rest of the day off because you weren't going to use that computer for anything else until the printing was complete.
1985 ? Jeez by then I had opened 200 franchise PC stores all over the US and Europe. #1 best seller Apple II
then 1981 IBM entered the market. I left IT in 1983.
Love this video. I have been an Apple enthusiast for many years. Great job on the history.
This video should be deleted! It bears very little relation to what actually happened as far as I remember at least!!!
For me, Steve Wozniak invented the apple computer, and Steve Jobs was the mouthpiece or the "car salesman" he had the words and the attitude for that position. He talked a lot while the true inventor went off to new endeavors
This sounds about right, but the new ideas Jobs later brought (or "steal"/borrow) really made a big differenc. His design ideas were mostly great, only sometimes the design would disturb the overall function, like overheating devices because of no proper fan.
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