I'm from the Netherlands, I remember when that documentary came on TV. The guy Joran confessed to was actually an undercover investigator from the documentary team. Gotta give credit for the dedication of spending months with that scumbag building trust. Glad he is in a Peruvian prison.
@@22ergie he totally fucking did it. The years after he was involved in trafficing in Thailand, and then committed the crime he's locked up for now, on the literal 5 year anniversary of her "dissapearance".
@@PanicattheDiscourse I totally agree with you, it's just that he told SO MANY EFFING stories who knows WHAT the eff to believe! They say in every pack of lies, is mixed in a bit of truth. Scumbag indeed!
It hurts how many of these “unsolved” mysteries are totally solved mysteries without enough evidence to incriminate everyone involved... so horrible. I’m glad you’re getting the word out there!
It is so infuriating to me when we KNOW who did this, we know, they're already locked up for something else, but they still can't give the family any closure? Sick bastard.
It's the only way they can maintain their control... many rapes and subsequently, murders are all about control. Makes me so mad (and remember his dad.... he knows too - I'll bet and won't tell because of his son's involvement). God bless the Holloway family!
If I remember correctly all she did was google his name to find out who he was. Google brought up the Natalee Holloway story. Not sure of the timeline of events after that. So it's not like she discovered any actual evidence of the crime, just that his name was connected.
seems realistic to believe that he was asked by the two brothers to bring any American girl - preferably blond - to the beach on their last night there. That the brothers would give him a lot of money for that. he was to tell her that the boat that turned up was organised by him and that they were going on a midnight outing. She was then escorted to the boat which left and he was left with a bag full of short change. He said it and it sounds like the only thing he said that makes sense. She thought he was taking her for a romantic "cruise" on her last night out and she got abducted.
Someone else brought this up. Yes, I get the whole group were very young people, "subadults" so to speak, and it was a drinking holiday, but how did her friends let her get in a car, drunk, in the middle of the night, and leave with three males? When I was young I literally pulled friends by their wrists from bad situations (and had the same done for me). Absolutely not blaming the victim here, just wondering why her buddies thought it was OK to let her leave the casino with some unknown males.
He was a judge in training. And you have to be a Prosecutor (Procureur in Belgium, Officier van Justitie in The Netherlands, sorry this is a hard one to translate) before you can become a judge as far as I know. He at least did cases as a substitute prosecutor.
Makes me sick that he was able to get married & have a baby girl while in prison. His wifey gets to bring him home cooked meals & gets to stay at the prison for a night every month. And see his daughter on a regular basis. Doesn’t sound like he’s suffering at all. I feel so bad for her parents. Beth still hasn’t given up. Don’t think she ever will. Hope & prey Natalie gets justice one day & her family finally gets answers. WTF should he be able to get married have a baby when he took all of those things from Natalie?!
He was assaulted by other inmates in prison, pretty bad as I recall. I hope they kick his ass daily. I watched a documentary about that prison on Worlds Toughest Prisons and hes not living it up in that shithole....lol. I hope they eventually find out the truth about Natalee but with that psychotic bastard I doubt it.
Lol so true i smoked also but never maked up story like that. He was telling some off the true but the dutch system is a joke beacuse he did not knowing aboit the filming the cant take it to court and he changed his story again evil person he his
This case has always pissed me off because at least 3 people know EXACTLY what happened & where she ended up. Her family needs closure. I'd go so far as to say that the world needs closure.
@@johnchase4408 Wow...it just goes to show how important proof is,i mean i'm sure the cops know at least who done it (him) but with it being inadmissable is sickening really..
Van der Sloot finally admits to killing her. I hope her family takes some solace from this. I'm sure they knew for a long time he did this. Now it's official, and he is surely getting even more jail time from what he's already serving.
There are probably remains like that just about everywhere you go, especially since they can sit for decades. Everybody dies and some percentage of those people don't end up with proper funerary arrangements, they have to end up somewhere.
@@Onyxthefem why should he be given the opportunity to start a family. His victims don't have that privilege!. He should loose all rights until he's paid for his atrocities
@@YourGirlYang though I’m joking, kinda, there’s def a larger amount of men out there whom try to go to war without a helmet than with one, though most will agree to, it’s still something I’ve always had to just make sure that I, personally, carry latex-free, to be safe & smart, and just in case they try to say their “allergic”.
Joran: I didn’t do anything, have no clue what happened Joran: she had a seizure and I dropped her body in the sea Joran: I sold her into slavery Joran: I know how she died and where her body is give me money Joran: Yeah I killed that other girl in Peru Joran: god I’m so oppressed I hate Natalie’s parents Joran: …
Torture is never a good way to get good information. Now I still think you should try but he would say anything to make it stop and her is full of lies. But just in case....
Such an evil young man, empowered by his father and his connections. What kind of parent would cover up for murder? He's caused so much heartache to these two families. But on a lighter note - I'm glad that woman managed to stop her attacker in his tracks. Permanently.
Hey! Aruban here, though I wasn't living on the island when Ms. Holloway disappeared. This video is fairly accurate as far as all the information I know from my friends who were around. The only additional insight I can add is that the police and other authorities were very inexperienced with murder/disappearances and they made some mistakes early on. However, they suspected Joran very quickly, as you portray, and they gathered a lot of evidence, but just like in the US, it's nearly impossible to convict someone without a body. I've also heard for years that Joran's father advised him to tell the "truth" to multiple people and to make the "truth" different in order to create reasonable doubt. You portrayed that very well in this video. I do know that both Aruban and Dutch authorities hope that one day they will be able to find enough evidence to bring Joran to trial, but they just don't want to risk a double jeopardy situation.
sdl1ishappy hey thanks for the insight. Im curious, do you know if Joran was literal when he said they went to watch sharks? Like can you go to the beach in Aruba and watch sharks swim freely? Would be fun for a psychopath to push someone off a pier, im sure.
They did. There were multiple search warrants and confiscation of property, including his laptop/computer. The bad thing was that since his father was a known lawyer and had certain connections in law enforcement, they somehow managed to get a heads up each time. That's as far as I remember.
I’ll never say Natalee Holloway brought this on herself. Don’t care how drunk she was, she could have been high on heroin, it’s still wrong. But I am side eying her friends. You see your girl in a car with strangers and you not even gonna try to stop that car?! I would fight tooth and nail for the safety of my friends. I would have ran up to that car or call for help.
Thank you! What was up with her buddies that they let her leave a bar drunk in a car with three guys? And didn't check up on her that night or in the morning? No one realized she was missing until she didn't get on the bus?
But you're looking back with the knowledge that she disappeared that night. You're imagining yourself in that position, but you're doing this with retroactive knowledge of what happened. When you see someone you know with someone you don't know, do you actually run up and stop them? When you see someone you know in a car with someone you don't recognize, do you run up and "stop that car"? Do you "fight tooth and nail for the safety of [your] friends"? Have you ever actually stopped a car because you recognized one person in the car but not another? The vast, vast, vast majority of the time people meet new people, they don't go missing. It's totally normal to meet new people. It's not normal to act in the way you're suggesting you'd act (but I think we both know you don't actually act that way, and you're just enjoying the fantasy of saving a famous missing person).
Kiki seems like you're assuming her friends weren't under the influence of alcohol, too. They were all partying & intoxicated and seen no risk to their safety or Natalie's. You can't blame these young girls, they were in their own predictament & unaware of the danger Natalie was facing.
Her friends did try to get her out of the car especially one guy he went up to the window and demanded that Natalie get out but she was so out of it she never heard him..He said Joran made some nasty remark, and then told him that Natalie wanted to go home with him..
Great update, Mike. You cleared up a lot of misconceptions I had about this case. Job well done. Glad the creep is in prison even if it is for a different murder!
I know. I remember watching it on the news when it happened. Since then, I’ve been married and divorced, graduated from college and moved to a new city. Time flies.
I'm from Alabama and had taken the same trip 4 years prior to Natalie disappearing. That entire trip is a blur. I'm still surprised no one died from alcohol poisoning. Some came really close though. You're in full party mode. Easy to see how she was taken advantage of. It could have happened to any of us as we were very easy prey and completely vulnerable. Drunk kids in a strange place. Still so sad to think about what happened to her.
Even though it is pretty clear she is probably dead, I really hope the family gets some sort of information at some point so they can finally have some closure. Also I heard the students partying got so out of hand the hotel told them they weren’t welcome next year.
@@aprilhinds1827 yea. My whole thing is...there were serious substances being consumed and at that young age disaster. Wrong place and time to be inebriated
I guess we are in a different socioeconomic class because we went to the beach, three hours away. My daughter graduated a couple years ago and they went to the same one. Myrtle Beach.
My senior trip was similar. Most people's judgment is poor when intoxicated anyway but on top of that, I think there's a false sense of security being in a beautiful tourist location, as though ugly things can't happen in lovely settings.
This is one of the cases I know a lot about since I am Dutch too and have studied Joran intensively. Your video is really good and only confirms the high quality of your channel!
@@99fruitbat Greetings my fellow Legionnaire. I too love both of these channels and appreciate the work Mike and Deadbug put in to give us these videos.
Damien Lonewolf Welder speaks the truth. Agree 💯about your channel, man! You have taught me a lot of things that I can actually rely on, unlike the plethora of other "documentary" / lists channels that proclaim outright lies, incorrect info, and conspiracy theories that have already been solved and put to rest long before. Sometimes I yell at my computer. lol
I'd imagine the 3 of them probably had a go on her, but Joran took it to the next level. We know he's capable of murdering someone because he since has.
i remember too. I lived nearby Birmingham and i avoided the news cause it seemed like they were unable to talk about much else. I didnt hear all this later stuff like the guy changing his story so much. this was probably national news wasnt it? did they talk about it all the time too?
@@johnno2539 im really surprised he didnt get charged for something the first time he changed his story. Aruba must not have laws for that. Seems like a no brainer of a law to have. heres hoping they got something they can do about it now after all this insanity. Heres hoping they subpeona peoples computers and phones nowadays too like they do in the US during murder investigations.
In 2005 when this all happened, I related to Natalie and just being young, excited to graduate, excited to start a new life. Now all these years later, Im 32 now, have kids of my own and a daughter. Ive switched my role from that poor poor girl to that poor poor mama. I can now feel the pain of both.
Thank you for doing this case. This young lady is still in the minds of a lot of Americans. I feel so horrible for her family. Not knowing has to be hard to live with.
Early morning coffee with The Chapter. Great way to start the day. Excellent narration and beautiful accent:) Enjoy your presentation of cases. The best I've seen on UA-cam. Thanks Mike and have a great week.
12:15 "Why does this shit always happen to me?" 🙈 Yeah, we've all been there, Joran: a person we're chilling with just mysteriously dies so we have to throw their body in the ocean. I hate when that happens! 🤨 I honestly believe he has killed more than the 2 girls we know about.....
Something important that you keep out of this video Mike, is that Dutch Journalist Peter R De Vries had done huge amount investigations and has asked that 'businessman' to get close to Joran to get a confession. Peter R De Vries was a huge factor in solving the case and had a close connection with Nathalie's family.
That is the most evidence filled explanation of this case I have followed it for a long time and you did a better job than any other show I've seen. Great job bro I love these shows you should make some conspiracy hats and sell them
That's what happens when killers get away with murder the first time round, they kill again. This guy killed Natalee then 5 years later he killed again!
I grew up in eastern Oklahoma, hearing the scary stories of the Girl Scout Murders. It wasn't until not that long ago that I watched a doc on the whole thing, the trial, etc. It has a lot of similarities with the OJ case as far as the acquittal, he was even a high school football star. The manhunt for him was crazy, it took an Indian OSBI agent to actually find him. I'd like to see some more on it as well, it's one of those crazier than fiction stories, and incredibly tragic.
Yes Mike...please do one on the Girl Scout murder. I watched a video about it the other day. Mike would do it well. Love The Chapter. Keep up the good work my friend.
That Chapter is definitely my favorite channel right now, especially amongst those in the true crime genre. The conciseness, clarity, wide range of subjects, and your delivery is unmatched. I hope the channel blows up. Getting eyeballs on these cases does a positive service to the families of those involved. Thank you for that. If you ever have time, I think your take and synopsis of the Delphi murders and/or the Evansdale case would be very interesting and beneficial in spreading those girls’ stories.
I'll tell you what, I'm 12 years sober now & I actively try to avoid my old behavior but if my child vanished & some dude was saying shit about it, he & I would have a chat.
Thank you for the great chronological order of your story about Natalie. I know how tiny Aruba is and it was so unfortunate for her parents not being able to properly put Natalie's remains to rest (as they would have wanted to). I believe she was killed and taken on a boat into the ocean (this is why the FBI could not fine anything). Joran as you stated is a Psychopath and has enjoyed tormenting Natalie's Mother and all the others whom loved her so dearly. At the end Joran has proven his guilt as far as I am concerned. A tragic end to Natalie's story and all the contribution she would have made to her community.
Like it's not bad enough to lose a child but to have to go through all that and listen to a psychopath and see him earning through your pain, it would destroy most people.
Appreciate seeing this video. I live about 45 minutes north of where she did. It was huge news here & I'm at the very least glad to hear that it was still being talked about when you made this video. You had a bit more info than I knew about and mostly what I heard from local people was just talk from people that really didn't know anything. Maybe one day, we'll know more about her and some of these other mysteries you discuss. Thank you for your videos.
brilliantly done Mike, i must of seen many of these cases covered by various clips and films but you seem to explain these in your own unique fascinating way, thanks again
Had she lived, Natalee would be 32 or 33 years old now. A medical professional, likely a Doctor and would have contributed greatly to society. Despite the lack of actionable evidence, I think its clear who was responsible. My hope is that someday her remains are found so she may be put to rest and her family may have some closure and peace.
More likely, she would have twisted her ankle at 25 and end up on opioids prescribed by her doctor the meth and then the slow death on the streets. Just as possible as the other outcome. Mine is not as Rosey.
@@manjsher3094 i thought the same except after her injury it was heroin then prostitution...your so right u can't say what someone could've been. That's like saying everyone gets exactly what they deserve....not true
So glad I found your channel 2 days ago. I’ve been watching Logan Arts channel other local channels .I love how you put clips in and it’s just you really how u speak on these cases... Giving them life again making people aware of some of these court cases./Solved. I am definitely hooked. Just when you think you can’t find anything else on UA-cam and content with what you already are watching, you stumble across Something even better thank you.
"Her parents have been making my life tough for the past five years."
Well, you killed their daughter, so.
@@Glol91ABC it was very obvious he did it? did you not watch the video
@@breadbow2525 lol video
Yeah, he made his own life tough, being a f***** douche!
@medusacries yep. Like the current occupant of the White House.
@medusacries awww are you injured by my comment?
Poor baby.
Don't worry... the nightmare will be over January 20, 2021.
Why wasn’t he charged for continually obstructing the case by lying?
Money Privilege!
And I think this guy has killed many more women. But justice system only works for poor people.
Amanda Rios you mean rich people?
@@vmc805 she means, if he had been poor he would have been tried and sentenced to jail.
@@wkatc007 His father was a lawyer and had a lot of connections.
I love how closed captioning gets his name as "Urine." Sounds about right.
LOLOL
Lol came here to comment exactly this.
I thought, the same, thing, Urinal, what's his, bucket~ :) ~Peace~ The, story, was, sad,though :(
In English yes, in Dutch it doesn't even come close. Either way he is a nasty piece of work and deserves to be in jail for the rest of his life.
Urine in a lot of trouble guy..
Having been under the influence of weed most of my adult life, I have never once claimed to have disposed of a body.
PopeJones Wang #metoo
I concur. I smoke all day everyday and never once did anything like this.
Smoking for 20yrs now and I've never admitted to disposing of the bodies either.
@@zk420zk lol @ admitted.
@@zk420zk hahah admitted eh? I see what you did there.
Joran Van Der Sloot is literally one of the most dishonest people I've ever seen. Dude is so OBVIOUSLY involved in her disappearance.
Yeah he borrowed an iPod from me for a road trip and I never got that shit back!
He's disgusting!
@Tim HaverlandNot bullshit, he was always doing stuff like that, we went half on an ounce one time and he smoked the whole thing practically.
He looks like a bad dude.
hope he rots in prison
When you’re telling the truth, your story doesn’t change.
I'm from the Netherlands, I remember when that documentary came on TV. The guy Joran confessed to was actually an undercover investigator from the documentary team. Gotta give credit for the dedication of spending months with that scumbag building trust. Glad he is in a Peruvian prison.
Claire Louise lekker laten boeten die gozer. Totaal geen respect voor vrouwen
So, what's your opinion regarding what happened to her, and what his involvement was?
Ben het helemaal met je eens clare 👍
@@22ergie he totally fucking did it. The years after he was involved in trafficing in Thailand, and then committed the crime he's locked up for now, on the literal 5 year anniversary of her "dissapearance".
@@PanicattheDiscourse I totally agree with you, it's just that he told SO MANY EFFING stories who knows WHAT the eff to believe! They say in every pack of lies, is mixed in a bit of truth. Scumbag indeed!
It hurts how many of these “unsolved” mysteries are totally solved mysteries without enough evidence to incriminate everyone involved... so horrible. I’m glad you’re getting the word out there!
Hearing “hey you” everyday soothes my soul
Agreed!
It is so infuriating to me when we KNOW who did this, we know, they're already locked up for something else, but they still can't give the family any closure? Sick bastard.
It's the only way they can maintain their control... many rapes and subsequently, murders are all about control. Makes me so mad (and remember his dad.... he knows too - I'll bet and won't tell because of his son's involvement). God bless the Holloway family!
@Ur daily shitpoaster Its like how stupid can you be? You think torture would solve anything? Anyone would say anything under torture....
TinyGreenTurtles to be fair her mother and her then stepdad interfered with the investigation repeatedly.
Willem DaFuckedUp lol did someone hurt your feels?
Well we don't "know" who did it do we otherwise they'd be locked up
What a coincidence that Joran was accused of murder and then ends up murdering another girl! Odds of that must be astronomical. /s
Yep.
Actually it's pretty common...
When you're a murderer
nah,if he did it before and was into bad things then it was only a matter of time
Its exactly five years later.On the day.The same date!!!!!
Why didn't cops look at his computer when that other girl was killed for seeing things in his laptop?
If I remember correctly all she did was google his name to find out who he was. Google brought up the Natalee Holloway story. Not sure of the timeline of events after that. So it's not like she discovered any actual evidence of the crime, just that his name was connected.
@@venhodges9838 why didn't she google him before going back to his apt with him? She was sacrificed so they could put him in prison. Despicable.
seems realistic to believe that he was asked by the two brothers to bring any American girl - preferably blond - to the beach on their last night there.
That the brothers would give him a lot of money for that.
he was to tell her that the boat that turned up was organised by him and that they were going on a midnight outing.
She was then escorted to the boat which left and he was left with a bag full of short change.
He said it and it sounds like the only thing he said that makes sense.
She thought he was taking her for a romantic "cruise" on her last night out and she got abducted.
It was never claimed that they didn't try. Even if they had, it would probably be too late, assuming he had removed the suspicious evidence.
@@team3383 Yea, that is how it works in those places.
Joran definitely killed that poor girl, the brothers know what happened, and Joran's dad helped him feed her to the sharks. despicable.
15 yrs later it's never been in doubt to us sensible peole
Yea, when he said the story that he brought her to "see the sharks", I had a feeling that part of that story was true.
@@ineverreplyback it was never proven its him as there was no direct evidence however all common sense and logic it must of been him
I Never Reply Back I think you’re thinking of the luka magnotta case. Or however you spell the creeps name.
Classic psychopath. Nothing behind his words. Dead behind the eyes.
i remember when this all went down - crazy how 2005 feels so recent but it's 14 years ago
Seems like yesterday yet a lifetime ago. Gosh, I'm getting old
Star Marchment I think this way too often myself lol
We’re friggin’ old.
Same here. I remember seeing Vandersloot on tv then and just knowing it was him.
exactly , another story Laci Peterson happened a year earlier I believe but also feels so recent.
Someone else brought this up. Yes, I get the whole group were very young people, "subadults" so to speak, and it was a drinking holiday, but how did her friends let her get in a car, drunk, in the middle of the night, and leave with three males? When I was young I literally pulled friends by their wrists from bad situations (and had the same done for me). Absolutely not blaming the victim here, just wondering why her buddies thought it was OK to let her leave the casino with some unknown males.
especially in a foreign place!
Agreed!!
Natalie is an idiot too
You'd probably be arrested for assault and attempted kidnapping and oppressing someone these days if you grabbed them by the wrist.
100 per cent right
"his father was a lawyer"
Ah well. No hope then for this case then.
He was a judge in training. And you have to be a Prosecutor (Procureur in Belgium, Officier van Justitie in The Netherlands, sorry this is a hard one to translate) before you can become a judge as far as I know. He at least did cases as a substitute prosecutor.
Money sure does talk.
Jordan father was a judge. Not lawyer .
@@nabeelawisal8562 And what do you have to be in order to become a judge? A lawyer? ...
@@zjmllr And bullsh*t sure does walk.
Makes me sick that he was able to get married & have a baby girl while in prison. His wifey gets to bring him home cooked meals & gets to stay at the prison for a night every month. And see his daughter on a regular basis. Doesn’t sound like he’s suffering at all. I feel so bad for her parents. Beth still hasn’t given up. Don’t think she ever will. Hope & prey Natalie gets justice one day & her family finally gets answers. WTF should he be able to get married have a baby when he took all of those things from Natalie?!
he got stabbed from inmates. He got a lot hate their.
Prison and Peru isn't a joke don't think it's sweet
The woman who married him is an idiot.
He completely deserves to be treated like hitler in the movie “little Nicky”
what the hell kind of prison is that!? she gets to stay the night with him each month?? wtf!
He was assaulted by other inmates in prison, pretty bad as I recall. I hope they kick his ass daily. I watched a documentary about that prison on Worlds Toughest Prisons and hes not living it up in that shithole....lol. I hope they eventually find out the truth about Natalee but with that psychotic bastard I doubt it.
I'm absolutely addicted to these videos, I basically watch them every day now and I'm worried I'll soon run out... Keep up the good work, Mike!
The four things consistent in Joren's stories seem to be beach, boat, water and daddy.
The only thing that I have admitted to disposing of while under the influence of weed is chicken wings.
Lol so true i smoked also but never maked up story like that. He was telling some off the true but the dutch system is a joke beacuse he did not knowing aboit the filming the cant take it to court and he changed his story again evil person he his
Bones , I hope
LMAO
RIGHT?!?!?!?!? You said what you said!!!! 100% accurate too! lol
You monster!
Mike.. you are by far my fave UA-cam story teller. Please never go away x
It’s a shame he was allowed to marry and have a child when he stole that from Natalee.
It's a disgrace. 😡
Got to treat criminals like royalty...it’s what most “justice systems” do now.
Victims=No Rights
Criminals=Emperor treatment
@@randyweaver6543 we even have a known criminal in the Oval Office now.
suzbone you mean congess
FactsOverFeelings Matter dems campaign for him by opening their mouths . 2020 !!!!
I remember this when it was on the news 24/7 back in 05'. Crazy how no body was found. At least Van der Sloot is enjoying prison.
This case has always pissed me off because at least 3 people know EXACTLY what happened & where she ended up. Her family needs closure. I'd go so far as to say that the world needs closure.
Isn't van Der Sloot in prison for a different murder tho not Natalie's?
@@brandonbentley8532 Yes. He murdered his girlfriend / hotel housekeeper.
@@johnchase4408 Wow...it just goes to show how important proof is,i mean i'm sure the cops know at least who done it (him) but with it being inadmissable is sickening really..
@@johnchase4408 Van Der pissed me off. He was willing to lie to the family for money.
Van der Sloot finally admits to killing her. I hope her family takes some solace from this. I'm sure they knew for a long time he did this. Now it's official, and he is surely getting even more jail time from what he's already serving.
So sad that there are so many bones that are not identified and were dug up on Aruba. Who are all of those people ?
Another good one Mike. Thank you.
Also perhaps really old ones
There are probably remains like that just about everywhere you go, especially since they can sit for decades. Everybody dies and some percentage of those people don't end up with proper funerary arrangements, they have to end up somewhere.
Partiers
Right! They all deserve to be named. In every way possibly they should be testing to see who these people are and possibly what happened to them.
Most of those bones were animal bones and Indian bones ages old. Get your research right. People don't get murdered on the island that much jeeszz
Yeah if we could all stop interviewing Joran, that’d be great...
Jen Niebla-Love .....he’s in prison now and they don’t let him give interviews. One of the worst prisons in the world, I understand.
@@WyattRyeSway they do let him have sex though!! He's now married with a 2 year old kid
josh cougar I’m sorry but that’s the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard
@@Onyxthefem It's True Tho' 😕
@@Onyxthefem why should he be given the opportunity to start a family. His victims don't have that privilege!. He should loose all rights until he's paid for his atrocities
“I can’t have sex, Natalie, I don’t have a condom.” Said NO man, ever.
Of course it has been said. Followed by "The nearest gas station is around the corner, I'll be back in 5 minutes"
@@Deadhammer218 😂😂😂 and THATS precisely when Murphy’s Law goes into effect!
Hell no, men don't want those STD's any more than we do.
@@YourGirlYang though I’m joking, kinda, there’s def a larger amount of men out there whom try to go to war without a helmet than with one, though most will agree to, it’s still something I’ve always had to just make sure that I, personally, carry latex-free, to be safe & smart, and just in case they try to say their “allergic”.
I just don't get why she would want to party alone with 3 dorky dudes who look like they have no game and probably smell of Doritos&Farts!
Joran: I didn’t do anything, have no clue what happened
Joran: she had a seizure and I dropped her body in the sea
Joran: I sold her into slavery
Joran: I know how she died and where her body is give me money
Joran: Yeah I killed that other girl in Peru
Joran: god I’m so oppressed I hate Natalie’s parents
Joran: …
@Carrie nunya psycho...
@Carrie nunya news flash, ugly skank, his wife IS a skank. His daughter will be, too.
His next book will be called.."IF...I killed Natalee."
" So Let's Say I Did It.... "
hahahaha. right on, OJ
Torture is never a good way to get good information. Now I still think you should try but he would say anything to make it stop and her is full of lies. But just in case....
Already came out, called... (ok ya got me).
Lol😂! With a foreword by OJ Simpson.
Such an evil young man, empowered by his father and his connections. What kind of parent would cover up for murder? He's caused so much heartache to these two families. But on a lighter note - I'm glad that woman managed to stop her attacker in his tracks. Permanently.
Hey! Aruban here, though I wasn't living on the island when Ms. Holloway disappeared. This video is fairly accurate as far as all the information I know from my friends who were around. The only additional insight I can add is that the police and other authorities were very inexperienced with murder/disappearances and they made some mistakes early on. However, they suspected Joran very quickly, as you portray, and they gathered a lot of evidence, but just like in the US, it's nearly impossible to convict someone without a body. I've also heard for years that Joran's father advised him to tell the "truth" to multiple people and to make the "truth" different in order to create reasonable doubt. You portrayed that very well in this video. I do know that both Aruban and Dutch authorities hope that one day they will be able to find enough evidence to bring Joran to trial, but they just don't want to risk a double jeopardy situation.
sdl1ishappy hey thanks for the insight. Im curious, do you know if Joran was literal when he said they went to watch sharks? Like can you go to the beach in Aruba and watch sharks swim freely? Would be fun for a psychopath to push someone off a pier, im sure.
I concur
gee hvf and was “Watch the sharks” story at night ? That would make much less sense if so ?
Thanks for your thoughts on this!
The kalpoe brothers were Surinamese btw,
17:43 WHY DIDNT THEY ACCESS HIS LAPTOP FROM THE BEGINNING
That's so fucked up shiz
They did. There were multiple search warrants and confiscation of property, including his laptop/computer. The bad thing was that since his father was a known lawyer and had certain connections in law enforcement, they somehow managed to get a heads up each time. That's as far as I remember.
@@iamrandomsauce You remember.
@@iamrandomsauce Your correct. I remember following this case, when it first came out. His attorney dad saved his ass to kill again.
Long enough evidence for a warrant I'm assuming
I so often end up in the comments while watching that I have to rewatch it all again 🤣
I’ll never say Natalee Holloway brought this on herself. Don’t care how drunk she was, she could have been high on heroin, it’s still wrong. But I am side eying her friends. You see your girl in a car with strangers and you not even gonna try to stop that car?! I would fight tooth and nail for the safety of my friends. I would have ran up to that car or call for help.
Thank you! What was up with her buddies that they let her leave a bar drunk in a car with three guys? And didn't check up on her that night or in the morning? No one realized she was missing until she didn't get on the bus?
Exactly, the buddy system works..with REAL friends
But you're looking back with the knowledge that she disappeared that night. You're imagining yourself in that position, but you're doing this with retroactive knowledge of what happened. When you see someone you know with someone you don't know, do you actually run up and stop them? When you see someone you know in a car with someone you don't recognize, do you run up and "stop that car"? Do you "fight tooth and nail for the safety of [your] friends"? Have you ever actually stopped a car because you recognized one person in the car but not another?
The vast, vast, vast majority of the time people meet new people, they don't go missing. It's totally normal to meet new people. It's not normal to act in the way you're suggesting you'd act (but I think we both know you don't actually act that way, and you're just enjoying the fantasy of saving a famous missing person).
Kiki seems like you're assuming her friends weren't under the influence of alcohol, too. They were all partying & intoxicated and seen no risk to their safety or Natalie's. You can't blame these young girls, they were in their own predictament & unaware of the danger Natalie was facing.
Her friends did try to get her out of the car especially one guy he went up to the window and demanded that Natalie get out but she was so out of it she never heard him..He said Joran made some nasty remark, and then told him that Natalie wanted to go home with him..
This story has always fascinated me. I pray her parents find something, or some type of closure. It's gutwrenching not knowing.
Great update, Mike. You cleared up a lot of misconceptions I had about this case. Job well done. Glad the creep is in prison even if it is for a different murder!
My heart goes out to Natalie's family. I hope they finally get closure to this crazy case.
@Carrie nunya are you, one of the Cow Shit brothers? You sound just like their ugly, dumb asses.
it doesn't seem possible that this happened FIFTEEN YEARS ago. smh
I know. I remember watching it on the news when it happened. Since then, I’ve been married and divorced, graduated from college and moved to a new city. Time flies.
I thought it was much longer.
I know. Seems like yesterday.
Watching this again ,after the big update !!! Hopefully the family finally gets the justice they deserve !
lmao claims he was trying to say goodnight to a pretty girl.....because he had school in the morning. *yeah right buddy*
Courtney Pie right? And the whole “I didn’t want to have sex because there was no condom” like bitch we ALLLLL know you don’t care.
I've turned down sex for lack of rubber. But of course I don't want to be disease ridden like pretty much everyone else, so, maybe I'm just different
Lol right
Courtney Heart he was a load of shit
Big LOl. Correct
I'm from Alabama and had taken the same trip 4 years prior to Natalie disappearing. That entire trip is a blur. I'm still surprised no one died from alcohol poisoning. Some came really close though. You're in full party mode. Easy to see how she was taken advantage of. It could have happened to any of us as we were very easy prey and completely vulnerable. Drunk kids in a strange place. Still so sad to think about what happened to her.
Even though it is pretty clear she is probably dead, I really hope the family gets some sort of information at some point so they can finally have some closure. Also I heard the students partying got so out of hand the hotel told them they weren’t welcome next year.
@@aprilhinds1827 yea. My whole thing is...there were serious substances being consumed and at that young age disaster. Wrong place and time to be inebriated
I guess we are in a different socioeconomic class because we went to the beach, three hours away. My daughter graduated a couple years ago and they went to the same one. Myrtle Beach.
My senior trip was similar. Most people's judgment is poor when intoxicated anyway but on top of that, I think there's a false sense of security being in a beautiful tourist location, as though ugly things can't happen in lovely settings.
Makes me glad I don't drink.
This is one of the cases I know a lot about since I am Dutch too and have studied Joran intensively. Your video is really good and only confirms the high quality of your channel!
Absolutely crushing it Mike!! You are the man! Thanks for all the hard work putting out these awesome videos. Let's go, tree, 2, 1
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Dude love your channel. Your coverage of details are great. Research on point and delivery entertaining. 5 star bro 🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺
@@deltabravolima1514 omg are you a human , I am too , wow small world
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Greetings my fellow Legionnaire. I too love both of these channels and appreciate the work Mike and Deadbug put in to give us these videos.
Damien Lonewolf Welder speaks the truth. Agree 💯about your channel, man! You have taught me a lot of things that I can actually rely on, unlike the plethora of other "documentary" / lists channels that proclaim outright lies, incorrect info, and conspiracy theories that have already been solved and put to rest long before. Sometimes I yell at my computer. lol
I'd imagine the 3 of them probably had a go on her, but Joran took it to the next level. We know he's capable of murdering someone because he since has.
Thanks for this video Mike. This whole disappearance of this poor girl just frustrates.
Such a tragic story, I remember when this all went down. Something fishy was even then.
i remember too. I lived nearby Birmingham and i avoided the news cause it seemed like they were unable to talk about much else. I didnt hear all this later stuff like the guy changing his story so much. this was probably national news wasnt it? did they talk about it all the time too?
Joren should've been imprisoned for perversion of justice then the other woman wouldn't have died.
@@johnno2539 im really surprised he didnt get charged for something the first time he changed his story. Aruba must not have laws for that. Seems like a no brainer of a law to have. heres hoping they got something they can do about it now after all this insanity. Heres hoping they subpeona peoples computers and phones nowadays too like they do in the US during murder investigations.
@@johnno2539 Yeah. With how much the story was being changed and him willing to lie to the family to get money, he should of gone to jail.
No pun intended?
It boggles my mind how a trip like this got the green light to begin with.
In 2005 when this all happened, I related to Natalie and just being young, excited to graduate, excited to start a new life. Now all these years later, Im 32 now, have kids of my own and a daughter. Ive switched my role from that poor poor girl to that poor poor mama. I can now feel the pain of both.
Nessa Rose I felt this comment in my core. I have twin boys and couldn’t imagine. I’d lift the earth to find my boys but can’t even think about it
Yes me too. I actually went to Aruba on a trip the year previously
"Have kids of my own and a daughter."
Excuse me, but what?
I don't have any kids bc they cost alot and I'm 36 and single
@Sincerely, maybe she meant.. kids of my own & a step daughter. That's the only thing that makes sense
"And they found......Jack shit,
I was expecting something eloquent .
I nearly spewed my drink at the screen!!!!
LOVE IT!!!!! Keep up the great work!!!
Jack Shit seems to be mentioned in a lot of TC cases.....hmmmm, has any looked into this guy?
@@psych0mik062 Jack shit means nothing in Ireland slang
Mark Delany preeeeetty sure it was a joke
@@markdelany5333 no shit, moron
We love you, Mike
I vacationed there a month after she disappeared and remember seeing the missing signs everywhere... so sad.
Thank you for doing this case. This young lady is still in the minds of a lot of Americans. I feel so horrible for her family. Not knowing has to be hard to live with.
Early morning coffee with The Chapter. Great way to start the day. Excellent narration and beautiful accent:) Enjoy your presentation of cases. The best I've seen on UA-cam. Thanks Mike and have a great week.
Between Mike and Mr. Ballen, I just LOVE my UA-cam Subscriptions!!!
12:15 "Why does this shit always happen to me?" 🙈 Yeah, we've all been there, Joran: a person we're chilling with just mysteriously dies so we have to throw their body in the ocean. I hate when that happens! 🤨 I honestly believe he has killed more than the 2 girls we know about.....
Given how useless the authorities in Aruba seem, would not surprise me at all
Joran was / is a grandiose narcissist. They are the worst most dishonest people there are besides psychopaths malignant narcissists
I listen to you in the background all day, and sometimes I forget to give you a "thumbs up". Don't be mad
I do too. I have his UA-cam channel on while I"m working. This channel is great.
Me too
How terrible!!
I listen to him in the background as well while I do boring work....
I LOVE your videos Mike! I look forward to them when I get off work. You also give me a good laugh despite all the bad news.
So glad to have found your channel. You have the best true crime channel on UA-cam!!!
I concur
Broke away from all the E3 news for this video and was definitely worth it! Great job!
His vids are the best
Something important that you keep out of this video Mike, is that Dutch Journalist Peter R De Vries had done huge amount investigations and has asked that 'businessman' to get close to Joran to get a confession. Peter R De Vries was a huge factor in solving the case and had a close connection with Nathalie's family.
What the hell goes on in Aruba? Finding jaw bones on the beach?
I wouldn't go there for any amount of money.
That is the most evidence filled explanation of this case I have followed it for a long time and you did a better job than any other show I've seen. Great job bro I love these shows you should make some conspiracy hats and sell them
That's what happens when killers get away with murder the first time round, they kill again. This guy killed Natalee then 5 years later he killed again!
I agree.... He got away with it so he figured he would get away with it again
I’m surprised it took him that long tbh. He gives me Bundy vibes (minus the intelligence & charm 😬)
I'll 2ND the request for Mike to cover "The Oklahoma Girl Scout Murders"
I was supposed to be at that camp, but last minute change of plans saved me.
I grew up in eastern Oklahoma, hearing the scary stories of the Girl Scout Murders. It wasn't until not that long ago that I watched a doc on the whole thing, the trial, etc. It has a lot of similarities with the OJ case as far as the acquittal, he was even a high school football star. The manhunt for him was crazy, it took an Indian OSBI agent to actually find him. I'd like to see some more on it as well, it's one of those crazier than fiction stories, and incredibly tragic.
Yes Mike...please do one on the Girl Scout murder. I watched a video about it the other day. Mike would do it well. Love The Chapter. Keep up the good work my friend.
Vonda Hartsock-Oneil YES DO THIS ONE MIKE!!
Agree.
That Chapter is definitely my favorite channel right now, especially amongst those in the true crime genre. The conciseness, clarity, wide range of subjects, and your delivery is unmatched. I hope the channel blows up. Getting eyeballs on these cases does a positive service to the families of those involved. Thank you for that. If you ever have time, I think your take and synopsis of the Delphi murders and/or the Evansdale case would be very interesting and beneficial in spreading those girls’ stories.
I'll tell you what, I'm 12 years sober now & I actively try to avoid my old behavior but if my child vanished & some dude was saying shit about it, he & I would have a chat.
I don't believe lovely Natalee found Joran attractive - I can't believe anyone would find Joran attractive. He just oozes creepiness.
Even some guys who are creepy have a certain charm that attracts some women.
Well, I think, as Mike points out, she was probably drugged.
Psychopaths can be extremely charming.
Truth is stranger then fiction
They say alcohol can dim your perception of people and they can seem more appealing...
Thank you for the great chronological order of your story about Natalie. I know how tiny Aruba is and it was so unfortunate for her parents not being able to properly put Natalie's remains to rest (as they would have wanted to). I believe she was killed and taken on a boat into the ocean (this is why the FBI could not fine anything). Joran as you stated is a Psychopath and has enjoyed tormenting Natalie's Mother and all the others whom loved her so dearly. At the end Joran has proven his guilt as far as I am concerned. A tragic end to Natalie's story and all the contribution she would have made to her community.
Like it's not bad enough to lose a child but to have to go through all that and listen to a psychopath and see him earning through your pain, it would destroy most people.
I'm gonna be so stoked when Mike reaches tree hundred and turty tree tousand subscribers!! 🌳 🌳 🌳
Much love from NY! 😘
hahaha
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He'll finally earn dat pot o' gold!
Now we can wait for tree million, tree hundred tousand, tree hundred tirty tree!
✌️, fellow NYer
He's almost to a milli!!!
Imagine if they had locked him up for life or atleast a long time in this case ...wouldve saved the second girl whom he killed. Bummer days
Appreciate seeing this video. I live about 45 minutes north of where she did. It was huge news here & I'm at the very least glad to hear that it was still being talked about when you made this video. You had a bit more info than I knew about and mostly what I heard from local people was just talk from people that really didn't know anything. Maybe one day, we'll know more about her and some of these other mysteries you discuss. Thank you for your videos.
mike you need your own tv show you amazing explaining the cases
He has a TV show, you're watching it.
ok smart ass lol ment to be on a tv channel and a tv crew be paying
Seriously- I would watch it in a heartbeat.
@@kelligray1848Once again you are watching his show.
He has control of his work here. On a "regular" TV show, he definitely would not.
Mike you are the only one who can make a 14 year old cold case interesting, thanks for the video
Your a very good story teller alot better then criminally listed your voice doesnt put people to sleep
Your videos are the best brother. Currently on a Friday night binge. Yes my life is exciting this weekend Haha.
Thanks Brody!
These 23 minutes just flew by... Feel free to make your videos as long as you want.
brilliantly done Mike, i must of seen many of these cases covered by various clips and films but you seem to explain these in your own unique fascinating way, thanks again
Had she lived, Natalee would be 32 or 33 years old now. A medical professional, likely a Doctor and would have contributed greatly to society.
Despite the lack of actionable evidence, I think its clear who was responsible.
My hope is that someday her remains are found so she may be put to rest and her family may have some closure and peace.
Scott Boyer Someone needs to go full Dexter on that Dutchman.
More likely, she would have twisted her ankle at 25 and end up on opioids prescribed by her doctor the meth and then the slow death on the streets. Just as possible as the other outcome. Mine is not as Rosey.
Ze was vies, Patrick!
@@manjsher3094 i thought the same except after her injury it was heroin then prostitution...your so right u can't say what someone could've been. That's like saying everyone gets exactly what they deserve....not true
@@daniellane3403 we of the pragmatic mind, cheers.
I've been here since you had less than 1.8k subscribers! You're YT famous now.
Thanks Richard!
@The Stovetop Ninja
Agree...
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Time for an update
Congrats on 70k subscribers! Road to a million!
This has been one bizzare case I feel for her family!!! Thank you Mike for another great video brother:)
-Mike
Bizarre
Fun fact: His father was a lawyer, His lawyer. and he did not just pass away, he killed himself.
Just found your channel man, wow im impressed. Keep em comming!
Thank you!
My new favourite channel - you have a great gift my man!
Excellent. The best on explaining what happened.
"The devils lettuce" HOW in the world can u make me laugh 1sec after feelin a knot in my throat!?!
Jamie Jai THE FAM that’s talent!! Haha 😂
@@321_Relax right!?!
I knew about this story and remember it but wow.... mind blown 🤯🤯🤯
I’ll never forget her 😔😔😔 She would’ve been a Very successful woman if she was still here . It’s sad it’s been 17 years now . 😞
So glad I found your channel 2 days ago. I’ve been watching Logan Arts channel other local channels .I love how you put clips in and it’s just you really how u speak on these cases... Giving them life again making people aware of some of these court cases./Solved. I am definitely hooked. Just when you think you can’t find anything else on UA-cam and content with what you already are watching, you stumble across Something even better thank you.
Thanks for making my Tuesday, Mike! Sad, sad case~ hoping her family finds some kind of peace.
Every time Mike says “Take
Care of Yourselves” at the end, I think he’s going to add “And each other” like Jerry Springer.
I'm addicted to your channel
You are spoiling us with all of these uploads~
We need an uodates video now Mike!!
Much love from Dallas Texas keep doing what your doing man and your channels gonna pop✌️
The Texas Tickler the Texas tickler ? Haha the mind boggles
Best timing ever. Thanks again ❣
its good to hear the full story, the news kept bring it up so much around that time, i had know what happened.
Keep it up Mike! I'm a huge fan of Bed Time Stories w the art work and all, but you continue to make new vids at awesome rate.