How This Streamer Turned A Whole Community Against Her - Pokimane | TRO
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- Опубліковано 18 лют 2019
- The Right Opinion: How This Streamer Turned A Whole Community Against Her - Pokimane | TRO
Now I’ve covered Twitch streamers, before, and I’ll cover Twitch streamers again, because they are a highly interesting set of people, and in spite of the fact that many of them are categorised by commentators, they are all at least somewhat distinguished in what they do. In a video last year I covered Zoie Burgher, someone whose rise to meteoric stardom was paired with an equally catastrophic fall, she was an absolute magnet of drama, and one of the more sexually suggestive characters out of that legion, but at the same time, she was her own individual character, she was banned off Twitch, and mainly gained infamy for antics on UA-cam and subsequent drama. On the other hand we have female streamers, who may well be considered attractive by the audience, I mean, who doesn’t want to look their best on camera, but at the same time doesn’t necessarily seek to exploit that. And this is where we reach Pokimane.
Pokimane is someone who is established on both UA-cam and Twitch, with over two and a half million subscribers slash followers on each platform, that’s something which cannot be ignored, she does some gaming, she does some reaction based videos, but overall, as people go she’s not an individual who has received exceptional attention. This is fairly typical for most genres, with a fairly undemanding audience, much less demanding than the ones who watch critical commentators like myself. Most commentators also tend to have a list of people who are controversial and easy to make videos on, this is a rotating list of people, typically including Ricegum, the Pauls, Morgz, KSI, Deji, with a bit of variation between certain UA-camrs, maybe you’re a bit more interested in people like Emma Chamberlain, maybe you like making thought pieces on who the next Content Cop is gonna be on or even if there will be a new Content Cop. What this means is that although people will be doing shady or at least debatable actions, if the public isn’t focusing on them then it’ll probably pass under the radar, and a lot of creators, including the person we’re going to discuss today have been sheltered from that sort of environment.
However, as spoken about in the past, the alienation of drama, can often mean that when it eventually does confront one of these people, it means that they are way out of their depth with no idea of how to actually handle it, generally this has meant that in the history of Twitch Streamers vs Commentators, the Twitch Streamers tend to lose. Looking back to Pyrocynical vs Zoie Burgher, Pewdiepie vs Alinity, and yes, in both of those situations, it’s fairly reasonable to argue that you could side with Pyrocynical and Pewdiepie in the situations regardless of the outcome, but as much as the circumstance does comprise the drama, the handling, and presentation are equally important. Another real problem is how a lot of this drama can often be perceived, exposé videos have been monopolised recently by the commentary genre, and so attempting to make any sort of response to them, is the equivalent of going to play an away match, you’re entering someone else’s stadium, and you’ll be attracting their audience, even if you’re responding on your own channel. One of the problems with a lot of drama is that it always feels like an us vs them, you really are expected to side with one of the people involved, and often there is a clear moral high ground when it comes to the claims, but often when there isn’t we have to look a bit closer than many people choose to.
The thing about drama, is that whatever yields from it can be assumed as some sort of moral standard, even though we often forget about the conclusions we make and just contradict ourselves in the future, I’m a man who does enjoy some sort of consistency, because whatever disputes occur do have reputational legacies, and it’s important that we’re holding people to account, but not unfairly singling them out because of some subconscious bias, so let’s talk about today’s situation.
On the 28th of December, a very small UA-camr by the name of Fainted released a video called “The Dark Side of Pokimane”, in which he alleged, that while the public’s back was turned, Pokimane had done some pretty shady stuff, I’ll be breaking down the details in a moment, but like some of the infamous streamers in the past, some of the main claims were on the notion of copyright striking, or as many people now like to call it, “copystriking”, firstly in the incident of a series of uploaded Twitter clips on a feud between her and Keemstar, and secondly on a channel that reuploaded stream clips of her, known as DavCev. These are both fairly separate situations, but fell under the umbrella of criticism that Pokimane was facing down.
Music: Persona 5 - Layer Cake
Persona 5 - A Woman
Persona 5 - Freedom and Security
Persona 5 - Ark
Persona 5 - The Days When My Mother Was There
EDITING CREDITS BELOW: Hope this video will do for now, have a more ambitious one coming soon.
ONE CORRECTION: DAVCEV IS NOT AN ADULT, HE IS 17, I DON'T THINK THAT CHANGES MY POINT THOUGH.
Not entirely happy with how the audio came out in this video, which might mean it’s a tad off my preference for next couple videos. Also sorry if the filter on the third part is a bit strong, did ask the guy if he could change it but he’d deleted the files, don’t worry, he won’t be eating for a week. Also don't know why the visuals restart at around the 11 minute mark, please forgive me. I hope you enjoy the video nonetheless, had trouble coming to confident grips with the draft versions.
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Part 1 References - Corticera
Pokimane - Twitch: www.twitch.tv/pokimane
My Zoie Burgher video: ua-cam.com/video/HmDKbXtTKCQ/v-deo.html
Pokimane UA-cam: ua-cam.com/users/pokimane
Zoie Burgher vs Pyrocynical: ua-cam.com/video/7EWyfcUjlI4/v-deo.html
Alinity vs Pewdiepie: ua-cam.com/video/3V7lU6bFyro/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/EpJUeDT82Zs/v-deo.html
The Dark Side of Pokimane: ua-cam.com/video/tWn69uDRH-k/v-deo.html
Pokimane vs Keemstar video on Bowblax’s channel:
ua-cam.com/video/t9qhlsHrA50/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/l3di34fA2h0/v-deo.html
DavCev: ua-cam.com/video/po-ZCI-dlPg/v-deo.html
Pewdiepie - Stop doing this: ua-cam.com/video/yMuEeUyMfUo/v-deo.html
Pokimane’s response: ua-cam.com/video/r5AU0JJ2wlA/v-deo.html
Fainted’s response: ua-cam.com/video/rL8pcoYCek8/v-deo.html
Pewdiepie - Stop doing this: ua-cam.com/video/yMuEeUyMfUo/v-deo.html
Part 2 References - Kyle
Pokimane vs Keemstar video on Bowblax’s channel:
ua-cam.com/video/t9qhlsHrA50/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/l3di34fA2h0/v-deo.html
Pokimane’s response: ua-cam.com/video/r5AU0JJ2wlA/v-deo.html
Fainted’s response: ua-cam.com/video/rL8pcoYCek8/v-deo.html
Part 3 References - Void
Pokimane’s Response: ua-cam.com/video/r5AU0JJ2wlA/v-deo.html
Fainted’s Response: ua-cam.com/video/rL8pcoYCek8/v-deo.html
Cyrus Video: ua-cam.com/video/jb2KUGE8Btw/v-deo.html
Comments that have the impression she’s taking down transformative videos (perhaps show over the clip immediately after the Cyrus one where she talks about how she doesn’t take down videos):
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Part 4 References - Sir Cheeseknight
The Dark Side of Pokimane: ua-cam.com/video/tWn69uDRH-k/v-deo.html
Pokimane’s response: ua-cam.com/video/r5AU0JJ2wlA/v-deo.html
Fainted’s response: ua-cam.com/video/rL8pcoYCek8/v-deo.html
Pokimane/Fainted Interview: ua-cam.com/video/dJMthVfBn3g/v-deo.html
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Could you imagine dating/marrying this guy and getting into an argument? Bro youd be destroyed.
lol hahahahah
TRO TOOK THE KIDS
James is the gay Karen of the Commentary Community
He took the kids 🐸
I think TRO is nice and mature enough to be able to resolve conflicts with the person he loves. ♡
In an alternate universe, where I become a popular UA-camr, if I ever get into a bad situation, I'm hiring TRO to help me navigate it properly.
You see to become popular you need to upload before fame will come knocking at your door.
Oof. 14,000,605 possibilities and you only got popular in one. That's sad.
Pierre Panse First of all, pretty funny, second of all, nice profile pic
@@cole5980 lol
@@jacobsarafian One would presume so.
2019: She did an oopsie but pokimane isnt a bad person
2020: nvm.
what happened?
Sheduxer she got a sponsor to drop a person because she was getting critiqued
@@electrom.1703 Not even heit was about her simps.
How do you not understand she’s a simp king and got someone doing a joke about her drop a sponsor your like a nine year old and says ThICk 🥵🥵🥵
Opps wait sorry
long story short : Pokimame is bad at taking criticism
I bet she would get along well with YandereDev
I think "being bad at taking criticism" does not mean "trying to address criticism but failing"
@@MapleLeafAce or alinity
All you human trash worshiping these people. Disgusting
@@captainbuzzkill4658 huh??
"legality does not make it moral" - we are looking at you, onion boy
Legality of the onion is debatable. Debatable by a judge soon hopefully.
The Milkman it actually wasn't pedophilia lmao
The Milkman pedophilia is the attraction to pre-pubescent children.
Also then why the fuck are you with her?
Argent Knight: Artemis the milkman was quoting oninson I believe kai was 17 when Greg was talking or “dating” him (kai was Lainey but has now transitioned I believe
The Milkman the literal definition of pedophilia says otherwise but okay
TRO is like the assistant principal of UA-cam high school sitting down everyone who was involved in a fight, and then taking his sweet time to sort out who started it, and who gets suspended.
Oh snap! Nerd City's here.
Hahahaha 10/10 analogy
very accurate
REEE MAKE MORE VIDEOS I NEED MY DOSES OF GOOD CONTENT
Oh my god it’s like an online restorative meeting
Ah, I’ve seen you have come back to this video as well fellow traveler. Take care, on your travels, beyond this video
Thank you traveler. You see I hailed from an unknown land of creatures of darkness and light. I was examining the creature called SCP-343 and somehow found myself in this land. I think I shall remain here for sometime before I go and examine creature called SCP-3499.
Ah yes, a fellow traveller! Please enjoy your travels.
hello my friend it hath been long last ive seen you, weve all remembered your words from our last summoning, i hope you have learned from then as i have, i have even tamed a familiar, enjoy your travels in the cosmoverse.
Thank you . Don't have my own story I only started my own travels
And don’t you dare go hollow!
Drama is just child’s play until PewDiePie and this guy get involved
PewDiePie is overrated
Oopopp Opposite I’m not going to argue with you because 104 million people already disagree with you
sanctificate
I see your point
Nah if you get in a fight with A REAL ASS LYRICAL RAPPER, then no matter how popular or how much fans you havr youre gettinf bodied no matter what on the diss track.
TrX x
It’s 2020. If anyone is still making diss tracks they deserve one themselves
this guy could tell me to stick a fork in a socket and i would do it
gogeode would he just have to tell you or would he have to present like a 45 min argument in video format like this?
@@gogeode no, u. r/whoosh
@CommanderGuy no, u. r/whoosh
@@Complexicide Salad
@@dinkwink2327 yayy
whoever edited me in your now my mate ty ty
ImAllexx *you’re
*:)*
ImAllexx tf does ty mean? Talk You????????????????????????????????????????????
Go drink some bath water
@@themonklegend2730 it means thankyou..........................................
Go back to your cage, you smexy beast!
For April Fools, TRO should do an hour long video persuading us on something stupid so he can flex his debating skills 👌🏼
I’m a bit late, but I think he already did that when he talked about pineapple on pizza.
@@DeltaChairlines when
@@lancetheking7524 About three years ago. It’s the video “The Opinion That Might End The Right Opinion”. You can also just search “the right opinion pineapple pizza” and it’ll be the first result.
@@DeltaChairlines oh interesting thx
Is a hotdog a sandwich.
Why do I feel like pokimane only apologized bc it was PewDiePie
exactly, when smaller channels criticise her, she copystrikes them.
@@vedradhakrishnan5416 Aside from Gundam, has she copystriked someone else?
Lipy one too many. But I’m pretty sure there are more
Even is there isn’t one too many. Ruining someone’s lovelyhood
@@jojobear6507 So which one is it? One too many or not? And who was it?
Me: I don't like gossip!
Also me: Sipping my tea. 20th video watched on this topic.
OmnipotentO Me af. Can’t stand drama....oooh a drama video! XD
You can't stand drama/gossip in your own lives, but enjoy watching videos about others. That's how Soap Operas happened. It's easy when you can turn it off at the end of the day.
Well I mean he presents it from an objective political view... besides he seems reasonable and with complete data
Try commenting with an original thought you fucking swine.
"Me:
Also me:"
Hur hur hur.
You just used the same format of comment every other brainless fuck face uses. Disgusting
I’d rather just have PettyPaige dictate my every life choice.
Gets out of seven hours of law classes
Decides to watch some non-law content to decompress
TURNS BACK INTO LAW
You can never escape the world of law
THE RIDE NEVER ENDS
💀💀💀
The Long Arm of the Law
I AM…… THE LAW!
Sorry, Stallone ruined me for whenever I see law.
This is so sad.
Alexa delete simps.
Yes please
Proof Pokimane is innocent: ua-cam.com/video/QNulS324Fww/v-deo.html
I wish it were that easy.
@@yanderefan5400 why
@@yanderefan5400 your even yandere fan
Bro imagine him being a lawyer 😂 everyone would get wrecked
bruh hed destory the person hes defending
Holy shit
Omg all the likes on this 😂
Probably no since lawyers actually have a job
@@bentocampos301 What
The number one reason why streamers mostly lose in drama against youtubers is because youtubers have an indefinite amount of time to collect their thoughts and present them in an engaging and understandable manner. If you're doing the same thing live and on the spot it is far more convoluted and therefore easier to nit-pick and find mistakes or flaws in logic.
TL;DR : UA-camrs have more time to structure their arguments than streamers, therefore they have an advantage.
indeed, but the fact that mosy of the streamer who ever get in this kind of drama are pretty stupid that"s doesnt play in theyr favor
Most streamers reply on youtube or on twitter, they're almost never live while picking apart the argument and if they are they definitely plan it out beforehand or they're just brainlets.
Um false they can easily quit streaming that day to collect their thoughts lmao
Shut the fuckkkk up nerd
By
TL;DW: Pokimane made an oopsie, her defence was somewhat clumsy, but she isn't really a bad person, just naive.
correct me if i misunderstood something
Tbh she just feels that she hasn't done anything wrong. Yes she isn't a bad person, but she's a fool for not admitting to her mistakes even if it contradicts what she thought.
@@user-uo2sl5us8f that sums it all up
Or maybe that's what she wants people to think lol. Maybe in private she clubs seals and makes hobos fight over a sandwhich for her amusement :D u never know lol
As a fan, seeing this irresponsible response to something not that serious is just disappointing. She isn't bad but she doesn't know what to do and what to say in these situations, she used her power to protect her reputation in which the community saw through.
@Salt CubeI mean I get what you were trying to say, but IDK about airhead. She was an engineering major my guy. There's a difference between immature and dumb
10k simps disliked this video.
I saw that too. Thirsty preteens
You need a mace to the temple 😶
This video kind of defends her, so it's the opposite...
@@sendmorerum8241 simp
withabow Angryman, Skrew you.
fun fact:
"TRO" means "Belief" or "Faith" in Swedish
F1rst World NomaD cool
Norwegian as well
@@virces6563 also in Danish... *Tror* jag 🤣
F1rst World NomaD what an ironic name for a gay atheist to choose lmao still love tro so don’t think I’m hating on the dude
@@sheogorath2657 You're absolutely correct.
That *is* rather ironic, it was partly why I pointed it out.
And no need to worry, I didn't think you were 😁👍
Thats not PewDiePie thats Gloria Borger 2:26
Oh I thought it was Poppy Harlow, my bad
Its clearly Poppy Gloria!!!
only true fan of Pewdi.... i mean Gloria Borger know
Ranch?
Somebody make a petition to send pewdiepie to the ranch, we need more poppy gloria
she hates being called thick... her entire fanbase is based off of that
*thicc
lol she could hide her screen when she gets up but nahh she gotta bait them virgin bois
shes not even thicc lol, not close at all to thicc.
@@vash2796 to be fair, thats 99% of gamer girls stream strategy, and as you can see, works exceptionally well, being cute and acting cute are considerably more important to raw numbers than the rest, the content then needs to be, entertaining but the initial atraction to the channel is VERY efective, this tactic isnt precisely new, at all
I have a good time in the streams .....and that still true xD SHE CAN'T THE THICCNESS . When I wrote Thicc as always with the chat and we saw the "words are prohibited " in chat. We felt betrayed
Pokimane isn't a bad person, she is just simpl-
**You have been banned from the server.**
I named my cat patches-
*you have been banned from the server*
🤣🤪
I would let TRO verbally abuse me and agree with him
mood
If I nodded any more vigorously in agreement, I’d have to pick my head up from down the road.
A masochist??
how i'm feeling now
ayo???
I have to say the monocle switching sides on your avatar bothers me far more than it really should
I would wager coin that is not happening on purpose. Hard to keep the fecal matter off of you when you spend 37 mins ranting about some of the crap on youtube.
@@blackcatluck12345 You seem too cranky to spell the word "too" properly. Calm down.
@@Sugefut he wasnt trying to say too
gOd daNgit-
I AM NOW BOTHERED BY IT AFTER READING THIS HAHAHAHAHA-
@@cobbyc2087 How me commenting on how crap youtube is equivalent to me wanting to be someone on youtube is a small mystery
I was bored so I clicked this Video. Six Minutes into it and I still dont know what this vid is about.
some bitch striked a video and now everyone hates her, because youtube drama is fun.
this video isnt really about the pokimane drama, this is a[overly drawn out may it be] an analysis on how to properly structure and perpetuate response and argument towards allegations in general and how to run a debate under a public lens, pokimane v faint just be an example,.
@@amplifysenpai3175 i read your comment, watched this video but still done understand shit, maybe im just dumb or out of the loop or just got here cause pokimane sounds like pokemon or smthng
congrats on having a 5th grade english level?...do you want an award?
@@suyangsong yes
When you come for the Gundam Rant and realize that this was a year ago
Love me some gundam. And TRO
Human Bean she did something awful a while back but a major live got leaked a couple days ago
10k people simping
EDIT: it’s an ironic comment. I know it’s not simps, I was just joking. This actually upset ppl
Hahahaha😂😂😂
Exactly
The simp police is here🚔
You say as if you dud not watch the video 😆
@@nosferatuzod4991 *did (sorry had to)
I remember how before it was all about her and Myth.
She got myths clout and bounced
I’m not trying to defend her here but she stated she hasn’t played with myth because he’s always doing scrims
@@Ufhhh12 you sound so childish😆
@@Mandelasmind haha funny im 11
@@youknowmyswagnotmystory9319 i dont even know who tf watch her really,low t cucks or 11 yr old kids
Think this is due for a part two, don't you think?
I think so
@Robert Chavez A lot
@@RiggedFem oof I have no idea of what she did so I'm still in the "sorry for her"
@@RiggedFem very vague
@@user-vh7fm4tk8d it would take an hour long video to cover everything. Only vague because it’s just… so much.
She probably pretends to be naive or ignorant of things like "the full spectrum of copy strikes" SHE'S NOT NAIVE, she's a business woman and uses her position as a girl that many idolize and will believe when she bats her eyes and says "Whaaat I didn't understand that!". She's smart, and she knew what she was doing.
If she's smart, she would know that doing this kind of crap and making no attempt to cover it up is an poor move. It causes people to not trust her or her judgment and it could endanger her reputation should it be brought to attention. She's a bussiness woman alright, but she sure as hell ain't a good one.
Yeah maybe she does, but also at the same time people will blow out of proportion things she does that others do simply because she's women. Like, I definitely think there are things she's done that she hasn't. But, honestly a lot of the hate I see she receives (mainly from the gaming community) is simply because she is a popular female streamer. A lot of the "criticism" and attacks people will throw at her are about her looks. And imo I feel like there are far worst streamers and public figures on other platforms that deceiver the level of hate and visceral Pokimane receives.
@@Josh-rh8td nononono. You may see some edgy nobodies being sexist online, but people hate her because she is morally unjust and BECAUSE she is a woman with millions of fans and being the most popular creator for Twitch's revenue. Because she has this power over her primarily male viewers she can be easily dismissed because she's so "flazé". She acts oblivious, but she is aware of what she's doing. Regardless of what mess she gets herself into, her fans will always defend her and Twitch will do its best to keep her the postergirl. She is manipulative and can easily get away with most of her twisted actions, mostly, BECAUSE she is a woman.
@Kekistani Pepe How tf are they a simp if they're criticising her
most likely yes but there's no way to know for sure
Pokimane did an *oopsie*
*SEND HER TO THE RANCH*
legit anyone who makes mistakes on the internet gets exposed for something and then a hate train ensues
Ram ranch?
SEND HERE TO THE POKEMON RANCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wait there is a Pokemon ranch? Send me instead!
@Ariston Garza His ability to survive controversy is pretty remarkable.
I got about 4 minutes into the video then realized I didn't care, peace.
Same here lol
I just want a short read about whats up but i cant Care enough to watch a 30min Video
@@nyoob8790 "Can't care enough to watch a 30min Video" But why click on a 37 minute video then? What did you expect? lol
OmniNero how are you supposed to tell how long the video is before you click on it :/
OmniNero I thought it might be entertaining then I realized i didn’t care rofl.
uwuCat I did?
23:48 - Twitch TOS, Harassment section, under "what is harassment".
- Revealing someone’s personal information against their will or *with the intent to harm* them
- Sharing content, including doctored or out-of-context content, with the *intent to degrade*, bully, or harm someone
- Browsing or raiding channels *with malicious intent*
How was she not banned again?
2 Arguments, I guess~
Because she’s famous and Twitch doesn’t give a shit if someone breaks the TOS if they are famous
Money its the money
@@animeuniverse5586 yeah, she was the sams person who played among us with pewds...
The best parts of Pokimanes stream is when she's AFK
Lmao
Someone's salty
Okay, simp
@@user-fi2fk2ei7o do you not know what asimp is
@@doclinny he doesnt know what a simp is
Can you report on how it should be called teethpaste?
I second this
...
They dont call foot powder, feet powder
advancedlamb they should tho
@@nitez2730 Silence is sometimes the correct answer to problems like these.
When you need to get the word count on your essay
@Todesbewusstsein I gave it 20 secs then skipped through a bit and clicked off
When you have the attention span of a fly
Zenvious lol so finding something uninteresting and then leaving is bad? Wow
@@dmoneydmo He's not wrong, people nowadays don't have a very high attention span.
Young veggies Not giving a shit about something this pointless doesn’t necessarily mean you have a shit attention span.
The rest of the world: *pew-dee-pie*
Brits: *pewdapie*
That's how English people pronounce it
He’s British, you wanker!
I don't believe that, I've always been saying pew die pie.
Proof Pokimane is innocent: ua-cam.com/video/QNulS324Fww/v-deo.html
@@yanderefan5400 stop bot
It’s amazing that he can structure a entire video reviewing and talking about controversy and it make logical sense, yet I can’t even make an complete sentence regarding things I’ve done wrong, like why my toilet wasn’t flushed that ONE time.
He makes script and cuts out fuck ups..
Bruh that persona 5 music is a good choice
Grant Yeeeeeees
The persona 5 ost is a masterpiece and can be used anywhere
Rasenpapi On ig I strongly agree.
*It hurts itself in confusion*
I knew someone would comment this
Perfect
I know we're here to analyse the character of a public figure, but her eyelashes look like spider legs.
Why? Why would you share this?
Edit: I apparently had a stroke whilst writing this.
@@notinsane4165 it is my sworn duty to spread the truth and only the truth my friend
What was the reason?
*WHAT WAS THE REASON*
This aged well
Like fine wine
Indeed.
I think it's hilarious the people saying you didn't need to make a video this long. Ignore them. I like the long video and I'm sure you do too. Keep doing your thing man. Nice vid.
Nah this was boring as fuck, don’t tell him to close his eyes and ignore legitimate criticism
@@ponystorm2493 Yes, this! Thank you for pointing that out. People like Pokimane can't take criticisms at all and it is infuriating as all hell. And you have guys like Victoria Ortez who would coddle them and tell them to keep doing what they're doing as if they're doing nothing wrong, thus giving people like pokimane a false sense of ego and never seeing what they're actually doing wrong.
Stop coddling people, if they're doing something that would warrant criticism take it and learn from it. "Just keep doing what you're doing and don't listen to the haters", is not a going to help anyone. This video has been stretched in my honest opinion.
He stretched a 7-11 minute video and made it 37 minutes. HE BROKE SOME RECORDS IN THE STRETCHING RECORD!!!
JosephTPG how did he stretch it, I know I’m commenting on a old comment but shush he didn’t stretch it but it just took him this long to finish it, also he doesn’t enjoy making overly long videos
@@bubbachannel2536 it's just people with miniscule attention spans. no patience at all.
12 minutes in and I have no idea what's this video is about...I get it's about someone named Pokimane, but that's all I got from it...
You got past 12 minutes? I couldn't get further than 2.
i got to 37 seconds
@@beeka4113 17sec ..
@@seraph1007 i looked at the comments and saw how pointless the vid was so i dipped
@@beeka4113 LOL
In light of recent events, this video just becomes hilarious.
What recent events?
MissPumpkin91
The Sponsors of ItsAGundam left him cause of Pokimane
@@amongus-ef5wo sorry i literally have no idea who is he or what happened with him and Poki, i dont even follow Poki I only know LilyPichu hahaha can you do a TLDR about the situation?
MissPumpkin91
Pokimane got his sponsors removed causing a lot of drama towards her
MissPumpkin91 basically gundam made a video about people simping over poki and then when she watched the video, she targeted his sponsor saying “oh who would want to put their brand on this?” And “why would you want to associate your brand with a guy calling me a slut for 15 mins” when he was making fun of people throwing money at her. This caused him to lose a big sponsor he had set up
I just can't get over the fact that he uses the
Persona 5 soundtrack throughout this whole video!
I scrolled the comments looking to make sure I wasn’t the only one who noticed 😂😂
i'm playing royal right now and was like wtf
cuz she got a fake persona
I was about 3 minutes into this when I realised I didn't care about any of it. Drama is soooo boring.
the "Commentary " side of UA-cam is so dumb
I was about 1.30 in. For educational purposes.
Yeah... If someone wants me to watch a 37 minutes video about how someone I don't give a fuck about turned other people I don't give a fuck about against her... It better be some story about how she tortured puppies for entertainment or something.
If she was just mean or a thot or I don't know what, this could be a 3 minutes video or give us cliffnotes or something.
I don't see who would watch that other than the Pokimane defense force or something.
This guy also has an annoying animated character persona for his commentary which gets on my nerves.
I wanna know who that ass in blue belongs to though?
I had never even heard of any of the people on this video but, listened through the whole thing.. thats the power of proper articulaton right there..
Took the thoughts right out of my head
That's my thought on most TRO videos. I don't know 70% of these people but God damn he makes it interesting.
Facts, i have no idea who any of these ppl are. Good thing UA-cam knows i love drama.
I watch because he’s about the only guy I’ve found that tells all sides of the story (unbiased) then while breaking it down he then gives his views on the story. I’ve only seen him pick a side on a few vids and even then he gives detailed attention to all sides before explaining why he sided with whoever. There’s so many people that do these videos now that you can tell are biased and paint the picture of their choice in the light.
Lol after ItsAGundam vids like this only make more sense, she is so egotistical and full of herself. So many streamers can't handle simple criticism.
She really is.... And the fact she doesn't see a problem with how she acts is disturbing. Shes not a nice person at all and she is so out of touch with reality that its sickening.
Lol SIMPle criticism
@@maxreilly765 Having 10's of thousands of simps, simping on you all day would make someone like that.
Helping someone through depression is egotistic yeah definitely. Y’all only look at people’s flaws she’s done so much good but she makes a few mistakes and y’all are ready to ruin her
Max Reilly ^^^^ you too you ungrateful hateful bombaclat
Lmao this was uploaded a year ago, and this is STILL relevant
Proof Pokimane is innocent: ua-cam.com/video/QNulS324Fww/v-deo.html
Still relevant but not as much sideable with Poki as last year, innit?
@April Mercer 😂😂
Yandere Fan piss off mate
Gawd, the world of youtubers is like high school all over again.
Bunch of snowflakes that don't know what fair use is.
high school never ends... believe me, people are mostly shit
That is exactly what it is
@@pxndxlunx5821 More like money-hungry bastards that don't care about fair use and claims/strikes everything.
High school is just a raw microcosm of the way human social dynamics seem to work in a broader scope. Peel back the veneer of civilised behaviour and you'll find something not that much different. Yes, I was disheartened a bit as well.
persona 5 music and your voice, a masterpiece for the ears. thank you tro for another great video!
Thought I was hearing P5, I love that game lol
So far it's gone from layer cake to A Woman
Fuck yeah just got that game and beat it in like a month so good
I noticed the Dr. Takemi music and was way more into the video
I beat p5 yesterday lmao
Call Pokimane Spears cuz Oops she did it again
Don'tTakeMeSeriouslyIGotWeebShitAsMyProfile
Oops (Oh My)
...Wait, wrong song-
She played with our hearts,
Got lost in the game
AND GUESS WHAT SHE MANAGED TO DO IT AGAIN
Did what?
Did what?
@@momo-zx4mn I still don't know
I guess if y'all find out let me know too 💃
Is this bout the Gundam incident?
This whole thing is one big debacle imo.
Justin Y. AAAAYE
Tbfh ninjaman.
A justin Y comment with less than 50 likes?
"this situation is a situation" wow thanks for the ice cold take Justin.
Justin Y. You’re just commenting bs at this point take a break virgin.
idk why but the "media offline" at 5:34 really made me laugh. I am glad you are not feeding your editor for a week. But give him a nice s n a c c for making me laugh.
@Ariston Garza if by hamsterwheel you mean sitting by a computer and a editing program. Yes indeed we do not stop. Except for the 35 editors who only edit every year.
@@CorticeraEditing I didn't understand a single word you said, so I'll give you some emogis instead 💯💯💯
Dire Firefly honestly me too. It's 5am I don't even know what I'm writing
@Hihi2234 v2 no you didnt you fat lesbian. Your premiere pro couldnt handle more then 2 effects and so it crashed.
This video was well articulated and removed individual bias, using logic and reason was very smart. you argue from a non-bias point, to which you should be validated for. well done.
3 years and she's no more likeable than she was back then.
Video name: How This Streamer Turned A Whole Community Against Her?
Answer in video: She did some shady stuff.
Literally 37 minute video.
Tramb0x thank you. I had no idea what the hell was going on.
AND I WATCHED the entire video.
You watched a play-by-play of her dispute and heard OP give his opinions. Its kind of given in the channel name
Nah, more like this is how she should've done but she didn't. So she fucked up.
It's not even that dramatic. There are still enough horny dudes watching her. It's not like with Phantoml0rd who actually receives a lot of hate on a daily basis now (check out his youtube/twitter)
thank you im not watching this and going to thumbs down this dumb shit
You seem too smart to be making UA-cam Drama videos
Same with Game Theory but they do theories.
This video to be honest was kinda of a waste. Because really what do you expect anymore on UA-cam? Random UA-camr does dumb shit (handles money poorly, doxes people, caught up in some sort of scandal, etc), public gets pissed off, they keep doing more stupid shit and burn their channel down. A few memes might sprout from the charred corpse and then it's on to the next idiot.
Bobby, you seem too stupid to think he is smart for doing this video
Yeah this video is shite
@@hernanpaga this video is mostly piositively received. And he definitelyt made a good buck off of it. He made this video to help youtubers get out of this situation when they get put in it. Educational. I dont see how he wasnt smart for making this video
How do y'all keep track of all the drama? Without videos like this, Id be lost. I still am lost half the time
Man should be Lawyer or detective
It's late at night, but TRO uploaded so sleep can wait.
speedwagon headass
Was about to watch Shane Dawson now I'm here because my phone recommended it
It's 00:31 for me
There’s a milk man waiting in the sky he wants to deliver dairy as long as it’s all pasteurized.
mate its 2 am
what im doing with my life
i dont even know whos that chick
The only drama channels I trust are TRO and Tea Spill
Spill too!
J aubrey
Don't know how you are doing now, but don't trust spill
@@maskeddude9892 Yeah, bowblax and Nick oreos is pretty chill instead
Ready to glare!!
Christ - I remember when ducky gave you a shout-out when you were a little channel and now look where you are. Good on you
Every Online Celebritries gangsta until TRO yell: OBJECTION!
I wonder who are the type of people who spend their free time and money on twitch streamers
Rich ass 13 year old boys
you could say the same thing about Patreon and UA-cam, which directly attacks the person who made the video you're watching.
@@MyNamesRevenge UA-cam has worthwhile content creators though
I mean if its actual good streamers like CX i mean Ice Poseidon, Tyler1, GGX, Sodapoppin, those guys spend youre money and watch em
@@Jim-so3zm Now that's some Grade-A gatekeeping.
Mans dropped a vibe check before vibe checks were vibing.
Had she not been decent looking and have all the simps looking after her, the business decisions she has made would've tarnished her reputation long ago. Her simps are her ultimate weapon, that's why she doesn't like when you call them out and bring attention to them.
Every famous or semi-famous person's ultimate weapon are their stans. 🥱 Old news, NEXT.
His voice is almost hypnotising
@karl joshua Gabriel I did say "almost"
@karl joshua Gabriel haha
Not malicious?
Mmm.
This is same girl, from 2014.
Ended up on a stream after a League streamer hosted her (SirhcEz?)
Had it playing on the side, but had to switch tabs when I heard the singing/rapping.
This girl had her viewers donating to get into some Teamspeak, where they would have to perform for her.
Would expect abit'a banter, but it was about as degenerate as you'd expect. Thirsty squeekers performing for a Twitch girl, hoping to win her affection.
The vibe wasn't pleasant. She'd sit on fullscreen cam, pulling faces and snickering the whole time, all while the donation wars flowed and added their own commentary to the farce on screen. All directed to those _performing._
It was mostly tasteless memes and bad singing, but there was one boy who took it a step further.
Made his own song and had his own lyrics.
It was face scrunchingly bad. What was worse however, was how she dealt with it.
There were no sides to take in this situation, but you just know, when someone's soul has been destroyed via public shaming ..
Tuned in a few more times, after that. Seemed like the general quota: Bad League gameplay with no personality, followed by an hour or so of "Queen", where viewers would be invited to the TS and attempt to entertain her.
Never tuned in again. But always remembered that name Pokimane.
Fast forward a few years - she's somehow being promoted by Twitch; one of the bigger streamers on the platform, and is only _now_ coming under fire with weak controversies that don't even compare to the worst she's gotten up to.
If there's one trivial thing that definitely hasn't changed from then, to now - it's her Twitch chat. Thirst.
Don't have proof, nor clips. I imagine any and all who took part in feeding her ego back then, would be too ashamed to speak out. They shouldn't be.
*I don't for one second believe, she is an oblivious, naive airhead, who has no idea how to play an audience.*
If you're out there my guy, I hope you think back to that day and laugh about how silly it was.
They'll catch her eventually.
-sorry for the wall-
Some of her videos are fairly entertaining though.
I mean,, your point is??? you haven't given any evidence for malicious behaviour. Just behaviour that you find personally annoying.
@@anna-thealittek9662 "personaly annoying"??? "malicious behaviour"???
What, milking lonely-twerps and virgins for their money while making fun of them to satisfy your own ego isn't "malicious"?
You call that "personaly annoying" like your friend who keep saying "get-it?" after making a bad-joke?
You put that shit on the same level?
Jesus fucking Christ dude, how antipathetic one-man be?
@@anna-thealittek9662 Personally annoying, yes.
The experience itself made it very clear, this one's a bad egg.
But as mentioned. She seems to have blown up since then. So I'm sure she's got enough footage of her being a _quality streamer_ to convince anyone otherwise.
I'm not here to convince you. Keep your eyes open, and you'll see it eventually.
Yes, she reached the top one victim at a time. She's attractive thus unworthy of success (sarcasm). She is an entertainer and doesn't pretend to be naive or modest. She is smart, self-aware and the alpha in any room she's in (facts).
I feel like people are focusing too much on the Pokimane aspect when this tbh feels more to me like using the Pokimane situation as an example and way to talk about more of a general topic/issue among these types of responses to critique channels.
Yeah, this isn't a Pokemane video, it's a 'How to debate allegations' video using Pokemane's situation as a frame.
More robust point than 'lmao north african made oopsies'.
CB ddd
Ive been sleeping to TRO's videos last week and now i cant sleep without him playing in the background
Same here bro his voice is so soothing
I like how youtube is recommending this vid again
"pretty shady stuff" - *cuts to a clip of Joakim Noah airballing a 20-footer*
*airballing a 20-footer*
*2 0 - f o o t e r*
Pokimane went sicko mode
I don't get it. Are you saying she took that Xanex and went out light a light and slept through the flight?
@@Gooong she went sicko mode
@@hydrogf its a cool song but I've listened to it all summer long and have no idea what going sicko mode is. Usually I turn to the chorus but the chorus is 'someone said...playing for keeps don't take us for weak!'
@@Gooong bruh its a jokes stop over thinking about it
@@MIsaac-ds5xl I got the same reaction when I'm asking why the song has 2 separate references to Jamba Juice. Is that a sponsorship deal? Is trying to promote the idea that part of a rapper's lifestyle is to drink more fruits and vitamins? Is Travis Scott bad at lyrics?
The beat is so catchy I can't stop listening but the song is so weird I can't stop overthinking. If the comment was that 'She's a motherfuckin' Starboy' I probably wouldn't have commented.
i just discovered your channel. nobody does this better than you man. sending mad love and respect!
xoxo beth
oooh boy waiting for the part 2
How do you become so invested in something like this?
he literally made 2k on this vid wouldn't you do the same ?
you would do the same thing if you made money off of it. It's not really that hard to understand Why he did it. Just use your brain a little bit more.
@Todesbewusstsein what's wrong with that?
@Todesbewusstsein Considering there's so much wrong with pokimane, making a well over 10 minute video is completely justified.
Tits mostly. Ass too.
6 minutes in the Video
"yeah dude i totally agree :)"
likes and closes tab
3:30 sec. And feels the exact same way
if he got straight to the point
P platform Mmhm milked the video a bit too much haha
Exactly the same. If it was 10 mins long maybe I'd wait but nah thanks lol
impatient lol
4th video binged today, still hooked
as usual TRO making a thoroughly entertaining video whilst giving facts and opinions of said drama, BRAVEO
Persona music in the back got me jammin out🤣
Wait, really? I didn't even notice. Could you give me some examples with time stamps?
Yuuuup replaying persona right now and... oooooffff
@@erebys21 0:00 - 37:43
@@erebys21 25:06 7th palace theme
@@erebys21 37:21 palace 4 theme (aka best palace theme)
The bad thing with a lot of commentary channels is the fact that drama sells. Therefore, persecuting someone, whether or not they're actually bad people, is the name of the game. So many people send hate to people and creators they've never even heard of because one person points out something kind of weird, and the public just runs with it.
P.S Sorry for the plug, but I'm a small UA-camr in case anyone wants to watch my bad videos lmfao
Everyone wants that one hit piece that'll launch them to fame. And with how oversaturated the commentary community is getting, you just get a lot of people chasing the hottest big name to punch up at in hopes you get to be on the moral high ground and get them subscribers. Yeah, some big channels and popular content creators need to be brought down a peg if they fuck up...but sometimes the backlash is just too much for the crime.
This happens with the bad drama channels if you want to call them that. There are actual (arguably) funny channels that don't try to crucify the individial they're making a video on. Take for instance pyrocynical's new videos.
I seriously question how Fainted even has a growing audience considering quite a few of his arguments against Pokimane were nitpicky at best? It's seriously like watching a leafy video. I'm pretty sure someone else could have made a way better video. I guess that's what TRO ended up doing anyway.
@@Rezu55 Fainted has an audience because people want cheap drama and the cheaper you make the drama, the more people will watch it sadly.
But as they say, what goes around comes around
@@BampfGameplaysYMierdas Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if in a few months he has his own "hypocisy" situation on his hands. Oh well, that kind of thing isn't my cup of tea anyway.
@@Rezu55 Fainted is knife surfing he makes me have some bad flashbacks to leafy
great video, one of your best
I thought I was losing my mind but I definitely hear persona 5 music in the background. You are truly one classy lad 😌
When Alinity's greatest claim to fame actually is all of us saying copy strike
This was a really boring ass drama when it happened
Yeah poki is a boring person I understand where your coming from.
Exactly I never understood why this shit is still a thing
This was clearly just to drum up drama. When youtube drama started to dry up peoplr were deperate for the next "Alinity"
People making mountains out of molehills
@@lilysdong1457 I really find UA-cam drama to be stupid and for some of the stupidest thing in the world
Notice how she always ends her sentences with rising intonation. You can't unhear it.
I have been in the process of watching ALL of your videos, even the ones regarding subjects i don't know or care about the ones involved. Like this one. Still gonna watch all of them and gonna like all of them. I am enjoying your style and your videos very much.
Anyone who sat down and watches this 37:41 mins vid I rate u a 5 star because I could not.
I got to 30 minutes, I think the video is over now. Some last bits and a summary.
I finished it fully. I've also watched Fainted contents about the related things. So I kinda get what TRO trying to imply here. TLDR; Pokimane is a naive ignorant person, and she should learn better (not to help her current/past situation, because its already too late, but for future contents/dramas/disputes).
KinSun yo wtf my dumbass didn’t even see how long it’s was
@@gortopik
Did you not even read the title?
The video is about the entire situation in depth, and the consequences of everything. It's obvious from the title that this video isn't going to be 10 minutes.
@@gottaridejiminbeforeyoupar4080 I don't mind long videos, I even enjoy long in-depth analysis, but lack thereof in this video is clear. He keeps meandering and circling around the subject. It's just boring, could have been much shorter 🙃
I can't get over that TRO means BELIEVE in Swedish.
Winddragon Lundholm why?
Du måste bara TRO i det
@@Tyrant369 What do you mean? Why I can't get over it or why tro means belive? Or why I said it?
@@winddragonlundholm1792 why cant you get over it? Its not that fascinating or wierd.
Lol vrf
I dont have the attention span nor do I care enough about these people to watch this entire video. That being said your editing and mic work is superb and that means more to me then the content.
I love comments like this
Hey wanted to say that I found your channel after critical made his nicavocado or whatever video - I personally could not care less about youtube drama but have been watching your videos all week - you have fantastic logical analysis on situations, present high level PR concepts in a accessible manner, and do an incredible amount of research into each one of your videos. Cheers mate, amazing work
Just heard the Persona 5 music. I love you man, keep up the great content
i'm just gonna ^^^^
@@nas6246 yup
Tayler Schmeaty ?
@@bryantwulu3405 yessir
Pokimane: someone is breaking into my house!!
Fans: THICC OMG SHE SO THICCC THICCCCCCC
Thedarthyguest correct
@@thedarthyguest6777 tbf people have kink of beating people up
Thats hot
To quote a great man: HEY ESSAY I'M BREAKING INTO YOUR CAR
Funny thing is that she isnt even thicc
Is she thicc? the clips here don't show anything
I think shes used to always getting away with everything she does. Shes a very manipulative person. I think she did this bc she never considered that it could possibly go bad for her bc she regularly does shady stuff and is never held responsible
It’s a hard lesson to learn that nobody likes it when you’re “technically right”