Is God a Moral Monster? How can I make sense of the OT God? with Dr. Paul Copan - Podcast Episode 92
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- Опубліковано 24 кві 2022
- Is the God of the Old Testament morally evil? Why do some people view the Old Testament God as a malevolent monster? How can I reconcile a God of love with what I read in the Old Testament? An interview with Dr. Paul Copan.
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Paul Copan - www.paulcopan.com/
Is God a Moral Monster? Making Sense of the Old Testament God - smile.amazon.com/dp/0801072751
Is God a Vindictive Bully (Pre-order) - smile.amazon.com/dp/1540964558
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These issues have plagued me for 50 years! Thanks sooo much. We need to get this info out to young people, before they go to college and are bombarded with these aquzations. My kids lost their faith and have never come back! They still see God as a monster and Christianity as an unhealthy and emotionally abusive religion. We got to fight this false mindset!!!
Praying for your children have a blessed day
Read your Scriptures with out cherrypicking! it's Dishohonest.
Such wonderful interviews regarding important queries!! Having Dr. Copan is impactful in terms of the topic of God and Old Testament history. Marcia Montenegro would be a terrific guest speaker regarding avoiding New Age protocols (Deu 18; Acts 16)…ie the Enneagram. Again, thank you, GotQuestions!
Algorithms are to strong for it.
Rahab was a great grandma of our Lord.
The god of Calvinism is a moral monster because he creates many people in his image specifically to cause them to sin and send them to hell. But that's not the God of the Bible; neither in the Old nor New Testament! The God of the Bible is is the God of perfect justice and of redemption
The punishment doesn't fit the crime!
To be tortured over and over for eternity is not perfect justice !
Agree bro, God is the perfect judge as Christ has given authority to judge the living and the dead so that they will be accountable for their sins, but as those who accepted his mercy and sacrifice will have eternal life.
@@seanalbertporal5711 There's a lot more than just acceptance ! You have to walk the walk for the rest of your life.
@@Luckie337 NO ONE walks the walk with perfection. That harshness fits your other comment, very well. You are trying to change doctrine away from what Jesus, Himself says is true. If you think what Jesus said makes God a moral monster, your "faith" is not in Jesus. That means I had better not follow your reasoning about what is required for believers after we're saved!
Yes, we are "under" the requirement to adhere, perfectly, to every jot and tittle of right and wrong that God has revealed in His word. Those moral laws still apply. But we are not "under" the law; we're "under" grace. He treats us like His beloved children, not an indulgent Father, but a patient, loving one. God wants us to become better at those things; we are being conformed to Jesus's image, and when we see Him, we'll actually be like Him, but not because of the moral perfection, or lack of it, that we had in this life.
@@Luckie337 buddy its not just walk the walk, if people are more concerned of what they act rather than what is in their hearts, that is why repentance and acceptance must come first and by Faith we walk and actions like good works are only result of our acceptance, its not about being perfect, God has established a law in moses as guidance as God knows israelites and also Gentiles cant fulfill the law, that is why God for love and mercy to us He send Jesus Christ to fulfill it for us and to atonement of our sins, as in the day of Judgement and Ressurection return of Holy One of God Jesus Christ those that endure and abide in Him will have eternal life in the New Heaven and New Earth renewal of His creation as in book of Revelation mentions the wicked ones will be destroyed while the satan the devil and the rebel angels or demons will be destroyed in fire forever an equivalent punishment of the evil things that they have brought corruption.
If u have sense u will realise that the OT ppl were hard hearted in nowadays language (barbarian). Even a loving God was forced to bring them under harsh laws to bring them to repentance... Ppl must change ..God in OT is same as in NT.. and ppl also continue to be same ..Thats why there is a final judgement due
Doesn't make sense.
because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.
- Romans 3:20
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
- Romans 3:23-26
Not even the Blessed Virgin was spared from sufferings, yet she was full of grace.
People who interprete the Bible or the Tanakh(Hebrew bible) out of its context are monsters.
The Friend of my life. The One who came for me to save me 3 years ago when I was an atheist and I was rejecting every kind of discutions about God. The One who dedicated me a special attention (not through church or people) to bring me to Him. The awesome One the Gracious One. He who sits on high but humbles Himself to behold the earth. This is the God I worship.
P.s. I got obsessed by God Jesus- Jahshua HaMashiach reading the old testament.
Was looking for answers but seems more like you guys are trying to sell books then anything else
They are talking about a topic that they wrote a book on. Telling you to get the book is just to help you if you need more in-depth study. Don't get so caught up in someone mentioning a book or even collecting money and come to the conclusion that it automatically means that's all they want for their own self gain
You want me to give you an answer the only answer we deserve? God can do whatever he wants and when you understand his attributes you'll trust him even if you don't understand certain things. Who are we to answer back to God? When people question God in the Bible what's his response?
He definitely didn't answer the genocide question well.
How we know that God did not want Israel to destroy all the Canaanites:
Matthew 15:22 KJV - And, behold, a *woman of Canaan* came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
. . .
(ends with
28¶Then Jesus answered and said unto her, *O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt.* And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.)
and
Matthew 10:1 ¶And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.
2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
*4 Simon the Canaanite,* and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.
This podcast is very enjoyable. It reminds me how much more egalitarian the New Testament is compared to the Old Testament. In the Old women had greater punishments than men. In the New, they have the same punishment, namely, eternal suffering for temporary decisions.
you should not brush off the veritable Word of God simply because it is “old”. Even Jesus reiterated the perfection and eternality of the Old Testament Laws and Prophets. Paul Copan is teaching disbelief in the Old Testament and it is unhealthy.
Passive who don't read the Scriptures but, the nice things that have to be there other wise it would be impossible for any one to take it at all. Leviticus: Exodus: Genissis: NUMBERS: Read and see what MORAL means . Honestly it Reads nothing about Moral activity.
Only if you were a fallen angel 😇🔥🤔😇
What is the purpose of creating a place for eternal suffering?
Hell was never made for humans but for the devil and his angels...if you end up there it is strictly because you wanted to
I agree. Hell was created for Satan and the fallen angels. In fact, it is rarely mentioned in the Old Testament. God has also done everything that He can to reconcile Himself to mankind.... Therefore, if God sends people to hell at this point it is because they have made the choice to be there. They have chosen an eternal separation from God.
I agree. Hell was created for Satan and the fallen angels. In fact, it is rarely mentioned in the Old Testament. God has also done everything that He can to reconcile Himself to mankind.... Therefore, if God sends people to hell at this point it is because they have made the choice to be there. They have chosen an eternal separation from God.
@@saltandlight316 And can you write this without laughing? Strange heart...
For centuries, fear was a very important factor in religion. Few people pay taxes without fear of the consequences. Few people would pay tithing without fear of the consequences.
Spinning at it's finest.
I agree. I am a christian by conviction, if you would like a perspective of the Bible that fully embraces these difficult verses, please check out the channel I’m building. It is perfectly ok if you disagree with me, as long as comments are not pejorative.
If GotQuestions repented of the false, unbiblical doctrine of predestination to damnation (Calvinism), they would be pretty good defenders of God not being a moral monster. I rely on their simplified, easy to understand explanations for many things, but never that.
Calvinism is moral madness.
There isn't anything to repent of. I'm not a calvinist. I don't really believe in predestination. However, there are some verses that seem to talk about predestination. It is not an essential belief to the faith and it is not a moral sin either. It is different interpretation of the text. This is like arguments between continueationists and cessionist. Technically only one belief is Biblically true... Should the other repent?
What is the difference between sending creation to hell (Calvinism) or seeing creation go to hell (which he created) and not taking direct action (Arminianism)?
A lot of talk , but no real answers!
@@booknerd869 You are right ! but what chance did they have ?
Satan deceived 1/3 of all the angels. They are much more knowledgeable than man, lived and seen much more ,
It was inevitable they would sin. Bible says only a few will find that door!
Yet God knew all this before he created us, but he still did.
I didn't have any choice to be born, if I did, knowing the odds , I would choose NO!
This is the kind of nonsensical shitzophrenic view of God that you get when you treat the bible as perfect and inerrant it is pure nonsense God loves you no matter what you believe.