I want you guys to keep in mind that I don’t hate EVERY firefly fan. If you’re a normal person and you like firefly, then congrats, I’m not making fun of you since that’s not warranted. The point of this video was to make fun of the actual dumbshits who like to make the fanbase of a character seem bad just because they’re upset about their favorite “WaIfU” getting powercrept. It’s more so an issue especially when sources that are meant to help people completely avoid that goal whenever the pride of their 2D princess is in danger. Secondly, I never claimed that Rappa was the best unit in the game, I just said she was better than firefly, which is true if you look at low investment versions and see that Rappa at low investment does better than firefly at low investment. The things people do to defend a 2D character…
Does fanbase=fandom ? If that so ,I don't like half of hsr fandom but doesn't mean I am mad they be doing some weird stuff but most of that fandom aren't like that
3:06 this is listed on Firefly too, and even more harshly... Also calling Prydwens ratings of her too low when they are literally T0, T0,5 and T1 is hard copium💀
@@RookieGoBoom Tbf, that's not a wrong assessment, but Firefly functions without Harmony Trailblazer, she just won't be as effective, not saying that I agree with the harsh assessment but in a way, it is somewhat accurate.. Though that will likely change in 2.7 when Fugue and Sunday come out.
honestly her true ranking isn't really known yet as all the modes are in her favor right now. Her real value will show itself when the modes cycle and the passives and enemies aren't directly tailored to her kit and needs. The same thing happened with Firefly when she came out and all the modes were in her favor, except she performed well in the next and continued to perform well in unfavorable situations for her. Additionally most of Prydwen's points check out. "Break is break" is outright false since imaginary is tied with quantum for the lowest break damage value, where Physical and Fire have the highest and second highest respectively (i wonder why boothill and firefly are better at breaking than Rappa, hmmm), so her damage values will statistically be worse when compared under similar circumstances. Needing HMC for super break damage IS technically irrelevant when compared to Firefly, but not Boothill as he in fact does NOT need HMC for his break damage, a characteristic that allows him to perform better than Firefly and Rappa in some situations. Same with not having an implant, no matter how many workarounds you have it will always be factually worse on non-imaginary weak enemies since you won't have that extra toughness reduction. It's clear that shes probably much better than most are giving her credit for , and that the vast majority of Firefly players are overhyping FF's power compared to Rappa, but there is some truth in it.
The break multiplier, while nice, is hardly important for firefly and rappa as they do most of their damage *after* the enemy is broken. They don't really care if someone else does the breaking for them, just that the enemies are broken. Boothill being ohysical does matter bc he wants to do the breaking himself. (And yes, this does mean that boothill and rappa could be good teammates if a new character combined ruan mei and HMC.)
I like firefly but man she's a lot of wasted potential with how they presented her character in the story, and her fanbase is super off putting. Personally I dont care about prydwens tier list at this point I just use the characters I like the most cause there's obviously bias towards certain characters
my freshly built (not fully maxed) rappa absolutely SWEEPS sunday boss in AS. She is a monster and will only get better with Fugue, who doesn't benefit failfly nearly as much. Then, it won't even be close.
FF Ultimate only enables combustion phase. It does not deal ultimate damage. Also Rappa + FF works very well doing 0-cycles in all modes with plenty of turns left.
Fireflys ult is practically always online and no implant on rappa does make her potentially cumbersome to use. I get why shes a rank below, you cant just spam the same team and auto like with other T0s. But shes still very good.
I don't understand why so many people seem to think that as long as a character isn't in the top 3 strongest DPS characters they are useless.I still use Seele for every mode because she is my favorite character, and shes doing just fine. I didn't really understand how Rappa worked from the special program, but I did her trial, and just went, "Yeah, she just seems like Firefly in some aspects, maybe slightly weaker because she doesn't have the insane speed and weakness implant, but overall pretty damn good," And Imaginary having a weaker break doesn't really matter much imo. Yeah it's 1/4 of what Firefly would do, but imprisonment seems like a significantly better effect than burn for a Super Break team. Unless you kill the enemy before they get back their toughness, then the imprisonment will probably increase your teams damage, by giving them more time to deal damage.
@goodfornothinghikkikomori6956 tbh, I dont have that much of a problem with Erudition, I think that Erudition doesn't get as much love as the other classes. It does generally feel weaker since Erudition only has 3 limited 5 stars atm, that being Jing Yuan (who is the weakest of the three) Jade and Rappa. We might get better Erudition characters sooner or later. I think the only reason people may not like Erudition is because of their lack of presence. I still think Erudition has some good units, but a chunk of them are either 4 stars or standard banner (Himeko, whos good for FUA and break teams). The limited 5 stars are good too dont get me wrong, but in comparison to the other classes, Erudition has gotten the LEAST amount of love. Again, I do hope this changes but I dont think people HATE Erudition as a playable path, I think the issue just may be deeper than "Durr I hate Erudition cuz funi".
@@ghostlydev8591 Argenti: "It's like Im not even exist" Joking aside, yes ppl hate Erudition because they are weak units. Literally everyone I know playing this game is obsess with either Jing Yuan or Himeko.They tried so hard to make them work, but they are still weak. I just think that the video try so hard to defend Rappa getting hated because of FF, but thats not true. Most of them just discredit her value because she is a Erudition unit
@@goodfornothinghikkikomori6956 Lowkey, I forgot about Argenti.. 😭 But nah man I get what you mean, I do think Erudition needs some spice because every other path has been getting OP as fuck characters, and even then on 2.7, another OP Harmony and a REALLY busted Nihility unit are once again coming around the corner, which will definitely help buff Erudition units but Rappa so far has been one of the best erudition units to come out and while I dont plan on pulling her myself, I can see the value and I personally don't hate Erudition myself. Like I said, apart from a couple units, Erudition is EXTREMELY underpowered and under appreciated, and I hope that changes soon.
Personally I only use prydwen only for Nikke (for me best mobile game objectively and subjectivly the best game) because for Nikke the person who make guide are right but for other game there are lot of mistake
Maybe until they stop shilling fire element. Lingsha is a great sustain but remove that fire weakness and she's not gonna do any meaningful danage unless you spec her for crits
As a CN player who got all both Firefly and Rappa, the tier list over here in CN is roughly the same so I disagree with your take except “potential woman”, that is just extremely unnecessary and the tier list should delete that, it is suppose to be the overall relative strength of each character, and the break unit with weakness implant is better than the one that don’t, especially if both deals relatively the same amount of damage.
It is not only that, they Say that the tier List is based on the MoC and they put Rappa in t1 when she is literally the Best dps in this MoC (after an ULTRA INVESTIMENT Acheron and Feixiao)
@ There are differences between “overall strength of character” (no doubt that FF is a tier stronger than Rappa argue with the entire CN community) and Usage rate charts which just shows how popular a unit / how much they score. Also no Rappa is not stronger than Firefly or Feixiao in this MOC, Acheron sure because of the Exo-toughness, the next MOC with the 5-in-1 is still up for grabs but Hoolay is perfect for Feixiao, because aventurine stack really fast, even my 01Feixiao 01Topaz 00Aventurine 21Robin got 0T despite having complete dogsh*t sets (eagle set on Feixiao and Acheron’s set on Topaz).
"Imaginary Break is pitiful compared to other Types", that shows prydwen doesn't even know how rappa works. Img break does have lower multiply compared to Physic and Fire, yes (lets not tell them about Freeze, surely its better than Img /s) but Rappa trigger the break dmg twice: once on the initial break, 2nd time with her 3rd enhanced basic, which results in much bigger break dmg than just breaking enemies with fire/physic. This should not be a cons for Rappa since she does more break dmg than ff anyway while doing the same superbreak dmg. Img break is also a pesudo sustain tool (like sustain welt) cuz of the action delay so Rappa team can also run full dps no healer/shielder and has way higher dmg compared to other break dps pair with a sustain.
Is that how Rappa works? I personally didn't pull for Rappa since im saving for Fugue.. Ig I'll keep this in mind when Rappa re-runs (assuming she gets a re-run)
This is one of the worst takes Pwryden has made. They should have all three on the same tier because they all do great on each of their modes, I mean yes Rappa does great rn cause of endgame inflation but she’s not by any means worse than boothill and FF.
"break is break"?! are you good? have u seen the wiki break dmg chart? imaginary's base break dmg multiplier is literally 4x less than fire and phys. imaginary and quantum have the smallest break dmg multiplier in the game... only thing that is helping rappa currently do dmg is her aoe toughness reduction cuz SBE scales off of that too... wait until the moc doesnt favor break and see how she'll perform against single targets... having to rely on gallagher/lingsha and RUAN MEI OUT OF ALL PEOPLE, not to mention, for niche situation, as in when enemies are weak to fire or ice is hard coping. firefly can apply fire weakness and let gallagher/lingsha reduce the toughness bar against any enemy.
@@agr_aldt so what? u think firefly didnt reach that kind of dmg when she released when she had a moc specifically made for her? not to mention, this moc has exo toughness... and firefly can still reach that kind of dmg fyi
As an FF main, I agree with the ranking Prydwen gave Rappa. I know that isnt the best opener, especially when people view my demographic as braindead gooners or as players that play the game in easy mode, but i think it's best that i start with that to establish that i have biases. Imo, Rappa just doesn't feel like a unit that will give consistent results in the long run compared to FF. While this happens to every newly released character (Firefly included), the latest MOC, PF and AS stages have been setup specifically for her to shine at her best. When FF was released, the main argument against her value was that the endgame content at the time was explicitly made for her. She was at a similar point with where Rappa currently is now. The only difference is she proved to be amazing even after endgame started shifting focus away from her. It was then that we saw the strengths in her kit that keep her afloat in the meta even until today. While she struggled to be fast enough to 0 cycle clear in MOC after the shift in focus, she was consistently achieving 1-3 cycles with varying investments. This is why using FF feels like cheating, or why FF mains are seen as braindead players, because statistically, you won't be getting slow clears from using a character like her. Rappa, like any other erudition character, relies on the number of enemies to be doing those insane numbers mentioned in the video (keep in mind that these numbers are spread out between enemy units, i.e. a 200K hit against a single unit is more impressive than a 200K hit spread out against 5 units). While yes, people have found workarounds to her performance against 3-enemy waves and elite enemy/boss-heavy content, the very fact that those workarounds are necessary for her to feel as great as she does when she's against her ideal enemy wave content is telling. The reasons that Prydwen gave are insufficient and vague which is why I think people are so pressed about the rankings. While I'm also doubtful that Prydwen has completely thought Rappa's placement through (especially with that weird pros and cons list), I'm not completely irked with the placement itself. Btw, Imaginary break (alongside Quantum break) indeed has the worst weakness break formulas out of the 7 weakness types with Fire and Physical break being the best.
Why do people still using meta in a gacha game, the meta is watever featured at that version. Other are less viable but that does not mean they are sent to the shadow realm (unless some day one ish version characters). Also main reason why people scared to praise Rappa is because erudition, the case being Argenti with little to no time to shine during his time in MoC (while our beloved general still sweeps at the beginning of our journey and still now at some stages). Rappa and Firefly both are strong at their own gimmick and there's no need to fight for this. Still remember that image of a dude smashing his monitor for acheron not being top 0 or 1 dps anymore in prydwen lmao, meta really makes people crazy in a gacha single player game.
I will say something even craizer, use rappa with firefly. Forget what people said and drop Ruan Mei if you must. But Rappa is great unit and those who said otherwise are dumb. But yeah, Prydwen choices favorites and upscales them while down plays everything else. Judge a certain unit at their best while others at their worst. And i said this in hoyolab, "Tierlist are meant to be broken."
Alright, I love both so not special bias against both of them, rappa needs to charge her ultimate via teammates, her skill 3-4times. Firefly charges ult by 2 skills not the same, imaginary has 4x weaker break multiplier than any other weakness type, ruan mei doesn't break shit she has one tick of weakness break, idk about maths but in moc 500k in aoe isn't as good as 500k in blast, firefly deals huge weakness bar and same argument with gallagher she can do it even faster, rappa is also slow firefly easily gets to 210, firefly CAN deal super break by herself harmany mc just amplifies it to a whole new area(also this is also one of firefly cons), firefly can play it no sustain teams cuz she can sustain herself, there are many reasons why firefly is on top and rappa isnt as good but if you look at purefiction rappa is higher cuz the enemies dont need thag much of toughness break and requires aoe
“No bias” btw 1. Energy regen entirely depends on relics and the amount of energy a character has, ofc if you run an energy regen rope the ult will charge faster that’s how that fucking works dawg 2. Idk about you, but there is not ONE firefly that I have seen that get her energy back in 2 attacks, and I watch Mrpokke. 3. Rappa can hit from up to 1.3m if you build her correctly, my Rappa with level 7 skills 3 cycles the current moc and easy cleared the 2 most recent apocalyptic shadows 4. Speed of a character depends on that characters rolls for speed stats, how much speed they get base, and what their kit does to support their speed. If you build a firefly up to 160 speed ofc it’s gonna be fucking faster than a rappa who only needs 145. But the thing is, is that neither needs 160 to shine, your supports should be that fast maybe, not so sure about the dps being that fast unless the situation calls for it. Plus saying “She’s slow she can’t get to 210” is just false, any character can get 200 speed…if you’re lucky 5. Just because firefly can heal herself doesn’t make her self sustain completely viable. What if the enemy puts her to sleep? What if they slow her? What if she takes more damage than she heals? What if she dies before she can get her heal of. Lots of factors to include here that EVERY dps has to worry about. Anyways that’s all I got, do better next time lmao 💀
@@agr_aldt wow, those are extremely unrealistic arguments. Firefly always get her ult in 2 skills. Her fire implant means she is destroying rappa in any other content with off element enemies. With fugue ff team breaks whole field much faster.
I use a Double DPS team (FF, Rappa, HTB and Gallagher)with basically the same relics (obviously different Planar sets) and both lightcones being from the herta shop. Firefly still consistantly deals more damage overall. She also implants elemental weakness with her skill and ultimates skill aswell as weakness break regardless of Type weakness. Rappa doesn't. They are both good units but having rappa be a tier lower than FF is more than fair. There is no reason to pick rappa over FF unless it's pure fiction or swarm disaster because otherwise, she will perform worse. Hating FF as a character is fine (you do you) but saying she is a bad unit because of the hatred for the character is objectively wrong.
@@agr_aldt It's really fun to use. If you get lucky enough to build that team, it's more than worth it. You don't get as many buffs or Type coverage, when you replace Ruan mei but it basically balances out thanks to Rappas ult.
Let's be honest here every man and their cat has FF. Just pulling another FF edilon (up to E2) is wildly better for your account than Rappa. Skippa confirmed. Lingsha also clears PF for you and buffs your FF team even more reason for skippa.
Ah yes, because I’d rather skip someone who can do a million damage low investment (Rappa, refer to braxophone or anyone’s clears for MOC) than some overused playtoy and apparently have to get more eidolons just to make her good, yeah no thanks lil bro 💀🙏
@@agr_aldt Bro... the point is that people who play a superbreak team already have FF because if you dont have her, you dont have a superbreak team and these people probably have lingsha aswell to upgrade that team. so yes, rappa is very skippable cause lingsha can clear PF for you and FF clears AS and MoC with ease. I dont have FF myself cause i dont like superbreak but even i can understand that
@@agr_aldt I'm no firefly fanboy but firefly is quite clearly the best break dps/dps in the game in general 😭"a million damage" in one cycle is really nothing compared to firefly who has 4 turns a cycle and hits for 500k+ consistently each turn at e0s0. Not sure where you're hearing that you need ff eidolons but e0s0 would 0 cycle if braxophone used her instead of rappa in that vid. A large portion of her dmg is coming from htb there who is clearly very well built in that vid. Exo toughness is also way more beneficial for rappa vs ff so in MOST other circumstances, ff is going to out-perform rappa at low investment. Once again I'm no firefly fanboy but denying her place as #1 dps is kind of cope.
That being said with the release of fugue I think Rappa will be just as strong if not stronger in some scenarios👍Obviously vs 3< imaginary weak targets she will outperform and ff will outperform vs 3> enemies
As a person who likes Firefly, and pulled for Lingsha (and her LC), I think that tier lists for a gacha game (or just any game in general) is entirely subjective. Just play what you wanna play and ignore other people's opinion if you don't agree with them. That'd make more sense than arguing about what character is better, because Firefly and Rappa do the exact same thing except they have different elements. Y'all MFs be tweaking over shit that isn't that deep. It's just a game, there's no reason to rage about a character you hate. This might be a bit of a wild take from me (a random who happened to come across this video), but I truly think that meta in this game doesn't matter because you can make any character viable in this game, with a bit of time and patience. So just chill the fuck out dawg, it ain't that deep I promise you.
@agr_aldt heck yea. My usual team is Jing, Yanqing (first five star), Inhibitor Lunae, and Huohuo. Backups are Bronya, Firefly, Feixiao, and Trailblazer (Michael Jackson :>)
I loved firefly ever since i met her, i HATED kafka ever since i met her, its completely fine if people think firefly sucks as theyre entitled to their opinion but at the same time as am i. Kafka sucks sm imo
Idk about this video. I have an E0S0 Firefly and she did 1.1m on this MoC12 vs the puppets. So I don’t get where ur point of Rappa doing 1m dmg on MoC I being related to Rappa becoming better than Firefly. I also have my other account that has Rappa and Lingsha (my f2p FF account doesn’t have Lingsha) and I felt the difference of Rappa with and without Lingsha. Rappa felt so ass without Lingsha as I tried replacing Lingsha with Gallagher and it’s just not it. And on enemies without Fire weakness, Rappa,s comp even felt more ass to play.
Well at least you and probably someone more finally see that Lingsha slaps Gallagher, thats something, btw that fight is the same for Firefly and Rappa, the real actual difference is the weakness multiplier, thats all
I literally used Gallagher and she did 1.3 million damage lol, it’s a matter of how much a character can do at a certain investment. Like come on, Of course a 350Cdmg 101%Crate 5000 attack max trace max leveled e6s5 level 80 light cone Seele is gonna do better than a barely built Feixiao, but if that Seele is built to the same level as that a Feixiao, the numbers will fucking show.
@ regardless there is a vast difference in experience for Rappa and without Lingsha. Enemy needs to be at least weak to fire and or imaginary for her to be competitive on MoC outside of favorable turbulences
There are some points here, which are always mentioned in this comment section Imaginary deals less break damage, which is a problem for a break unit. Imaginary also delays the enemy action so it stays more time weakness broken, which is good for super break, the archetype we are playing here. You can break with Gallagher, Lingsha or the upcoming Fugue and get the fire break damage since Rappa doesn't need to break the thoughness bar herself Also, Rappa is really good in this MoC due exo toughness. Maybe if we got a nihility character that had exo toughness as part of her kit... Hmmm... Rappa doesn't have weakness implant, but she doesn't need Ruan Mei to deal damage (half of Firefly damage comes from Ruan Mei), so you can replace her by Silver Wolf, the damage loss is minimal and that's a weakness implant you get. There's people clearing Hoolay with Rappa and she's awful for that side (no imaginary weakness), so the arguments given of "but she doesn't implant weakness" falls flat Also, since she isn't tied to Ruan Mei to not be a potato, has more team variety, like Boothill. Which adds to the fun factor of the character and more freedom to build the 2 teams FF is, like Jingliu, a good unit for beginners since their kit shit stats, but their ceiling is pretty low. The problem with FF is that she needs Ruan Mei so it's a unit for beginners that asks for another limited 5*
I came here ready to be offended but im not really since idrc abt meta and pull for charaters i like or find cool. screw meta if im having fun thats all that really matters
Feel like you are just being mad to be mad just because you don't want to follow the status quo or to be a firefly hater. When I heard you say "if the enemy is ice weak then ruan mei can break". Holy sht do you even play the game lmao. Imagine trying to break the boss when your only character with the correct weakness is Ruan mei. Even Gallagher or harmony MC alone will take years to break a boss. Rappa having no weakness implant is a huge reason why she's not worth pulling. You have fun doing what you do but just know when they kill the break meta, rappa is going to get hit too.
If they kill break meta I have supports and shit ready to counter that, also just because I don’t wanna be a firefly player doesn’t mean I’m wrong, vice versa for firefly fans who aren’t idiots. If the cycle doesn’t have her team’s weaknesses in one part, they’ll have them in another part, I’ve experienced this before, In EVERY MOC. Come on now 💀🙏
@@agr_aldt I'm being a firefly shill sure but I don't think you're respecting how insanely busted firefly is in this point of the game. Remember people pulled silver wolf because she put weakness on people and that was the sole reasoning for pulling her. People spent $356 (hard pity) to get her. Now firefly does it for free and it's baked into her kit. That's basically a $700 value character (hard pity). You wonder why firefly has the most adamant shills and it's not just cause of her character design. It's the whole package.
Thanks for the silver wolf video idea, btw silver wolf doesn’t just implant weakness, she does debuffs and single target defense down, so ratio (or anyone in that niche) would benefit tons from that Also, I’m not downplaying firefly at all, I know damn well she’s op but I just hate her so I’m not gonna pull lmao. Also if you can acknowledge firefly being good you can acknowledge the 5 star imaginary erudition version of her being good too. Lmao
I love Firefly, you do not like Firefly, cool 🤷 That's really all it should be, opinions on the characters who you like or dislike. I think genuinely that any waifu fan thay defends their "waifu" like they are a real person is just just a parasocial loser. At the end of the day, it is just fiction, a game, not reality, however I do apologize that some fellow Firefly fans are quite fanatic. Then again, every waifu has a fanatic fanbase somewhere, Firefly's is just the most talked about. Anyway, good day to you random UA-camr 👋
Bro you just hate firefly there is no way you say she is worse than rappa when she applies fire weakness and fire break has like way more multypliers than imaginary break if you are new to the game and pull rappa it would be terrible since firefly has super break built in to her kit and with rappa you would need to pull every break character wich as a new player would be insane
Well the thing about Rappa is that despite being imaginary her talent gives him extra break damage multipliers to compensate for the lower break scaling of img element. Whereas Firefly has nothing of the sort because fire break multipliers already double the initial break damage I also disagree with the take that she is bad because she needs her break supports. Then by that logic every break dps is bad because they need their break supports. I won't go into unofficial leaks territory but so far literally the only character, non negotiable, that you need to build a break team is just HMC, with the exception of Boothill that prefers Bronya. Ruan Mei is great but she has alternatives like Asta or Pela. The same way that DHIL needs Sparkle to manage his SP but for ppl that don't have her, Hanya is there The point about her not having implants for a break character is valid but it doesn't mean she can't break. She'll just do it slower than usual. And since she is Erudition anyway her focus is gonna be against a 5 stack battles instead of a single target battles, and situations where you fight 5 stack enemies usually only involve mobs. She can still break them without imaginary weakness PS. I pulled Firefly at her release so I know what I'm talking about
@LPScarlex firefly is more universal and does not need hmc to superbreak since she has it in her kit she can also apply fire weakness so early game where you don't have hmc firefly would just be better
@@ArchDemonD Rappa also has superbreak in her trace. And her talent (on third ult basic) still deals normal break damage anyway. Did you not read her skills descriptions? Also you can get HMC for free. Sure you don't get the eidolons until Penacony but everyone still gets the base kit after Cocolia And one more thing, FF absolutely needs HMC lol. Her superbreak damage without Backup Dancer is horrible
@LPScarlex okay first of all firefly has superbreak in her kit all the time once you ult second of all you don't get hmc until you beat belebog and third im talking about low infestment early game wich yes you do not get eidolons for hmc till penacony but you also need ruan mei and lingsha/gallager to play rappa were firefly she can superbreak even with minimal infestment rappa's early game is terrible compared to firefly
I want you guys to keep in mind that I don’t hate EVERY firefly fan. If you’re a normal person and you like firefly, then congrats, I’m not making fun of you since that’s not warranted. The point of this video was to make fun of the actual dumbshits who like to make the fanbase of a character seem bad just because they’re upset about
their favorite “WaIfU” getting powercrept.
It’s more so an issue especially when sources that are meant to help people completely avoid that goal whenever the pride of their 2D princess is in danger.
Secondly, I never claimed that Rappa was the best unit in the game, I just said she was better than firefly, which is true if you look at low investment versions and see that Rappa at low investment does better than firefly at low investment.
The things people do to defend a 2D character…
Does fanbase=fandom ? If that so ,I don't like half of hsr fandom but doesn't mean I am mad they be doing some weird stuff but most of that fandom aren't like that
its simple, no element = no break = no damage
2:49 LMAO so good to find a small creator who covers hsr thats actually entertaining to watch and is being just his geniune self
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3:06 this is listed on Firefly too, and even more harshly... Also calling Prydwens ratings of her too low when they are literally T0, T0,5 and T1 is hard copium💀
Yeah, despite his stance being overall correct, this guy's points are overall fucking terrible.
Less harshly actually but spit your shit ig
@@agr_aldt they called Firefly "Non-functional without HTB" in what world is that less harsh?
@@RookieGoBoom Tbf, that's not a wrong assessment, but Firefly functions without Harmony Trailblazer, she just won't be as effective, not saying that I agree with the harsh assessment but in a way, it is somewhat accurate.. Though that will likely change in 2.7 when Fugue and Sunday come out.
honestly her true ranking isn't really known yet as all the modes are in her favor right now. Her real value will show itself when the modes cycle and the passives and enemies aren't directly tailored to her kit and needs. The same thing happened with Firefly when she came out and all the modes were in her favor, except she performed well in the next and continued to perform well in unfavorable situations for her. Additionally most of Prydwen's points check out. "Break is break" is outright false since imaginary is tied with quantum for the lowest break damage value, where Physical and Fire have the highest and second highest respectively (i wonder why boothill and firefly are better at breaking than Rappa, hmmm), so her damage values will statistically be worse when compared under similar circumstances. Needing HMC for super break damage IS technically irrelevant when compared to Firefly, but not Boothill as he in fact does NOT need HMC for his break damage, a characteristic that allows him to perform better than Firefly and Rappa in some situations. Same with not having an implant, no matter how many workarounds you have it will always be factually worse on non-imaginary weak enemies since you won't have that extra toughness reduction. It's clear that shes probably much better than most are giving her credit for , and that the vast majority of Firefly players are overhyping FF's power compared to Rappa, but there is some truth in it.
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@@agr_aldt he got a point tho here
The break damage values are factored in when initially breaking an enemy. But, in super break, this mechanic is not present.
The break multiplier, while nice, is hardly important for firefly and rappa as they do most of their damage *after* the enemy is broken. They don't really care if someone else does the breaking for them, just that the enemies are broken. Boothill being ohysical does matter bc he wants to do the breaking himself. (And yes, this does mean that boothill and rappa could be good teammates if a new character combined ruan mei and HMC.)
@@agr_aldt naan bread
I like firefly but man she's a lot of wasted potential with how they presented her character in the story, and her fanbase is super off putting. Personally I dont care about prydwens tier list at this point I just use the characters I like the most cause there's obviously bias towards certain characters
Well said
my freshly built (not fully maxed) rappa absolutely SWEEPS sunday boss in AS. She is a monster and will only get better with Fugue, who doesn't benefit failfly nearly as much. Then, it won't even be close.
you do not know how much ive been waiting for someone to agree with me on this, are you me or just in my head?
Me too 😂
FF Ultimate only enables combustion phase. It does not deal ultimate damage. Also Rappa + FF works very well doing 0-cycles in all modes with plenty of turns left.
Fireflys ult is practically always online and no implant on rappa does make her potentially cumbersome to use. I get why shes a rank below, you cant just spam the same team and auto like with other T0s. But shes still very good.
I don't understand why so many people seem to think that as long as a character isn't in the top 3 strongest DPS characters they are useless.I still use Seele for every mode because she is my favorite character, and shes doing just fine.
I didn't really understand how Rappa worked from the special program, but I did her trial, and just went, "Yeah, she just seems like Firefly in some aspects, maybe slightly weaker because she doesn't have the insane speed and weakness implant, but overall pretty damn good,"
And Imaginary having a weaker break doesn't really matter much imo. Yeah it's 1/4 of what Firefly would do, but imprisonment seems like a significantly better effect than burn for a Super Break team. Unless you kill the enemy before they get back their toughness, then the imprisonment will probably increase your teams damage, by giving them more time to deal damage.
Nah people just hate Erudition lol
@goodfornothinghikkikomori6956 tbh, I dont have that much of a problem with Erudition, I think that Erudition doesn't get as much love as the other classes. It does generally feel weaker since Erudition only has 3 limited 5 stars atm, that being Jing Yuan (who is the weakest of the three) Jade and Rappa. We might get better Erudition characters sooner or later.
I think the only reason people may not like Erudition is because of their lack of presence. I still think Erudition has some good units, but a chunk of them are either 4 stars or standard banner (Himeko, whos good for FUA and break teams). The limited 5 stars are good too dont get me wrong, but in comparison to the other classes, Erudition has gotten the LEAST amount of love. Again, I do hope this changes but I dont think people HATE Erudition as a playable path, I think the issue just may be deeper than "Durr I hate Erudition cuz funi".
@@ghostlydev8591 Argenti: "It's like Im not even exist"
Joking aside, yes ppl hate Erudition because they are weak units. Literally everyone I know playing this game is obsess with either Jing Yuan or Himeko.They tried so hard to make them work, but they are still weak.
I just think that the video try so hard to defend Rappa getting hated because of FF, but thats not true.
Most of them just discredit her value because she is a Erudition unit
@@goodfornothinghikkikomori6956 Lowkey, I forgot about Argenti.. 😭
But nah man I get what you mean, I do think Erudition needs some spice because every other path has been getting OP as fuck characters, and even then on 2.7, another OP Harmony and a REALLY busted Nihility unit are once again coming around the corner, which will definitely help buff Erudition units but Rappa so far has been one of the best erudition units to come out and while I dont plan on pulling her myself, I can see the value and I personally don't hate Erudition myself.
Like I said, apart from a couple units, Erudition is EXTREMELY underpowered and under appreciated, and I hope that changes soon.
I got her, I’m proud. She’s strong, fire fly is cool but Rappa? I love her.
Strive to be like this commenter
Personally I only use prydwen only for Nikke (for me best mobile game objectively and subjectivly the best game) because for Nikke the person who make guide are right but for other game there are lot of mistake
ruan mei is not breaking anyone's toughness
You had me at the Nikke outro
i find lingsha straight up doing more damage than firefly for me so i just use her as dps 💀
This is the meta that hoyoverse is trying to hide
Maybe until they stop shilling fire element. Lingsha is a great sustain but remove that fire weakness and she's not gonna do any meaningful danage unless you spec her for crits
@@agr_aldt Abundance superbreakhypercarry meta!!!!
I do kinda find this funny tbh, a healer that has the potential to be a main DPS 💀
As a CN player who got all both Firefly and Rappa, the tier list over here in CN is roughly the same so I disagree with your take except “potential woman”, that is just extremely unnecessary and the tier list should delete that, it is suppose to be the overall relative strength of each character, and the break unit with weakness implant is better than the one that don’t, especially if both deals relatively the same amount of damage.
It is not only that, they Say that the tier List is based on the MoC and they put Rappa in t1 when she is literally the Best dps in this MoC (after an ULTRA INVESTIMENT Acheron and Feixiao)
@ There are differences between “overall strength of character” (no doubt that FF is a tier stronger than Rappa argue with the entire CN community) and Usage rate charts which just shows how popular a unit / how much they score.
Also no Rappa is not stronger than Firefly or Feixiao in this MOC, Acheron sure because of the Exo-toughness, the next MOC with the 5-in-1 is still up for grabs but Hoolay is perfect for Feixiao, because aventurine stack really fast, even my 01Feixiao 01Topaz 00Aventurine 21Robin got 0T despite having complete dogsh*t sets (eagle set on Feixiao and Acheron’s set on Topaz).
"Imaginary Break is pitiful compared to other Types", that shows prydwen doesn't even know how rappa works. Img break does have lower multiply compared to Physic and Fire, yes (lets not tell them about Freeze, surely its better than Img /s) but Rappa trigger the break dmg twice: once on the initial break, 2nd time with her 3rd enhanced basic, which results in much bigger break dmg than just breaking enemies with fire/physic. This should not be a cons for Rappa since she does more break dmg than ff anyway while doing the same superbreak dmg.
Img break is also a pesudo sustain tool (like sustain welt) cuz of the action delay so Rappa team can also run full dps no healer/shielder and has way higher dmg compared to other break dps pair with a sustain.
Is that how Rappa works? I personally didn't pull for Rappa since im saving for Fugue.. Ig I'll keep this in mind when Rappa re-runs (assuming she gets a re-run)
this is like seele mains back then, no need to sweat them.
Wait what were Seele mains like back in the day? I don’t remember them going crazy and I’m a Seele main (barely)
Nah seele was really bonkers from 1.0 to 2.1
i havent trusted prydwin for a long time. biases are nuts, their criteria is bonkers, and they dont use their heads imo
This is one of the worst takes Pwryden has made. They should have all three on the same tier because they all do great on each of their modes, I mean yes Rappa does great rn cause of endgame inflation but she’s not by any means worse than boothill and FF.
"break is break"?! are you good? have u seen the wiki break dmg chart? imaginary's base break dmg multiplier is literally 4x less than fire and phys. imaginary and quantum have the smallest break dmg multiplier in the game... only thing that is helping rappa currently do dmg is her aoe toughness reduction cuz SBE scales off of that too... wait until the moc doesnt favor break and see how she'll perform against single targets... having to rely on gallagher/lingsha and RUAN MEI OUT OF ALL PEOPLE, not to mention, for niche situation, as in when enemies are weak to fire or ice is hard coping. firefly can apply fire weakness and let gallagher/lingsha reduce the toughness bar against any enemy.
yeah but 1 million damage lol
@@agr_aldt so what? u think firefly didnt reach that kind of dmg when she released when she had a moc specifically made for her? not to mention, this moc has exo toughness... and firefly can still reach that kind of dmg fyi
@@agr_aldt calling prydwen ignorant and biased when this is what you reply with is hilarious
High investment, a low investment Rappa does more lol
@@agr_aldt are you kidding?! They’re literally equally easy to build. That’s literally the worst thing you can bring up.
me with my space cowboy with still no 4star LC
Rappa players once no exo toughness: 💀
Apocalyptic shadow moment
fugue:
@@agr_aldtfull imaginary moment
Just pull Fugue
Or you could E2 your FF for the same 2 pulls given FF doesn't seem to need Fugue. Rappa Fugue is cope.
As an FF main, I agree with the ranking Prydwen gave Rappa. I know that isnt the best opener, especially when people view my demographic as braindead gooners or as players that play the game in easy mode, but i think it's best that i start with that to establish that i have biases. Imo, Rappa just doesn't feel like a unit that will give consistent results in the long run compared to FF. While this happens to every newly released character (Firefly included), the latest MOC, PF and AS stages have been setup specifically for her to shine at her best. When FF was released, the main argument against her value was that the endgame content at the time was explicitly made for her. She was at a similar point with where Rappa currently is now. The only difference is she proved to be amazing even after endgame started shifting focus away from her. It was then that we saw the strengths in her kit that keep her afloat in the meta even until today. While she struggled to be fast enough to 0 cycle clear in MOC after the shift in focus, she was consistently achieving 1-3 cycles with varying investments. This is why using FF feels like cheating, or why FF mains are seen as braindead players, because statistically, you won't be getting slow clears from using a character like her. Rappa, like any other erudition character, relies on the number of enemies to be doing those insane numbers mentioned in the video (keep in mind that these numbers are spread out between enemy units, i.e. a 200K hit against a single unit is more impressive than a 200K hit spread out against 5 units). While yes, people have found workarounds to her performance against 3-enemy waves and elite enemy/boss-heavy content, the very fact that those workarounds are necessary for her to feel as great as she does when she's against her ideal enemy wave content is telling.
The reasons that Prydwen gave are insufficient and vague which is why I think people are so pressed about the rankings. While I'm also doubtful that Prydwen has completely thought Rappa's placement through (especially with that weird pros and cons list), I'm not completely irked with the placement itself. Btw, Imaginary break (alongside Quantum break) indeed has the worst weakness break formulas out of the 7 weakness types with Fire and Physical break being the best.
2:26 just gotta wait a few 2 years no biggie
also this reminds me of Boothill's release where people said "Firefly will mog him" and she just didn't
Why do people still using meta in a gacha game, the meta is watever featured at that version. Other are less viable but that does not mean they are sent to the shadow realm (unless some day one ish version characters). Also main reason why people scared to praise Rappa is because erudition, the case being Argenti with little to no time to shine during his time in MoC (while our beloved general still sweeps at the beginning of our journey and still now at some stages). Rappa and Firefly both are strong at their own gimmick and there's no need to fight for this. Still remember that image of a dude smashing his monitor for acheron not being top 0 or 1 dps anymore in prydwen lmao, meta really makes people crazy in a gacha single player game.
I would also kill myself after picking up a doll that fell from the meta e2 s1
I will say something even craizer, use rappa with firefly. Forget what people said and drop Ruan Mei if you must. But Rappa is great unit and those who said otherwise are dumb. But yeah, Prydwen choices favorites and upscales them while down plays everything else. Judge a certain unit at their best while others at their worst. And i said this in hoyolab, "Tierlist are meant to be broken."
I gotta make a video about tier lists sometime
Alright, I love both so not special bias against both of them, rappa needs to charge her ultimate via teammates, her skill 3-4times. Firefly charges ult by 2 skills not the same, imaginary has 4x weaker break multiplier than any other weakness type, ruan mei doesn't break shit she has one tick of weakness break, idk about maths but in moc 500k in aoe isn't as good as 500k in blast, firefly deals huge weakness bar and same argument with gallagher she can do it even faster, rappa is also slow firefly easily gets to 210, firefly CAN deal super break by herself harmany mc just amplifies it to a whole new area(also this is also one of firefly cons), firefly can play it no sustain teams cuz she can sustain herself, there are many reasons why firefly is on top and rappa isnt as good but if you look at purefiction rappa is higher cuz the enemies dont need thag much of toughness break and requires aoe
“No bias” btw
1. Energy regen entirely depends on relics and the amount of energy a character has, ofc if you run an energy regen rope the ult will charge faster that’s how that fucking works dawg
2. Idk about you, but there is not ONE firefly that I have seen that get her energy back in 2 attacks, and I watch Mrpokke.
3. Rappa can hit from up to 1.3m if you build her correctly, my Rappa with level 7 skills 3 cycles the current moc and easy cleared the 2 most recent apocalyptic shadows
4. Speed of a character depends on that characters rolls for speed stats, how much speed they get base, and what their kit does to support their speed. If you build a firefly up to 160 speed ofc it’s gonna be fucking faster than a rappa who only needs 145. But the thing is, is that neither needs 160 to shine, your supports should be that fast maybe, not so sure about the dps being that fast unless the situation calls for it. Plus saying “She’s slow she can’t get to 210” is just false, any character can get 200 speed…if you’re lucky
5. Just because firefly can heal herself doesn’t make her self sustain completely viable. What if the enemy puts her to sleep? What if they slow her? What if she takes more damage than she heals? What if she dies before she can get her heal of. Lots of factors to include here that EVERY dps has to worry about.
Anyways that’s all I got, do better next time lmao 💀
@@agr_aldt wow, those are extremely unrealistic arguments. Firefly always get her ult in 2 skills. Her fire implant means she is destroying rappa in any other content with off element enemies. With fugue ff team breaks whole field much faster.
Skaracabaz made this
I use a Double DPS team (FF, Rappa, HTB and Gallagher)with basically the same relics (obviously different Planar sets) and both lightcones being from the herta shop.
Firefly still consistantly deals more damage overall. She also implants elemental weakness with her skill and ultimates skill aswell as weakness break regardless of Type weakness. Rappa doesn't.
They are both good units but having rappa be a tier lower than FF is more than fair. There is no reason to pick rappa over FF unless it's pure fiction or swarm disaster because otherwise, she will perform worse.
Hating FF as a character is fine (you do you) but saying she is a bad unit because of the hatred for the character is objectively wrong.
Yk i actually heard about that team comp that you mentioned in the beginning, i haven’t heard much but i only heard good things about that team
@@agr_aldt It's really fun to use.
If you get lucky enough to build that team, it's more than worth it. You don't get as many buffs or Type coverage, when you replace Ruan mei but it basically balances out thanks to Rappas ult.
as a hormal firefly main, this hurts :(
Nah ur good dawg, some people just making the normal people look bad is all
good points
Let's be honest here every man and their cat has FF. Just pulling another FF edilon (up to E2) is wildly better for your account than Rappa. Skippa confirmed.
Lingsha also clears PF for you and buffs your FF team even more reason for skippa.
Ah yes, because I’d rather skip someone who can do a million damage low investment (Rappa, refer to braxophone or anyone’s clears for MOC) than some overused playtoy and apparently have to get more eidolons just to make her good, yeah no thanks lil bro 💀🙏
@@agr_aldt Bro... the point is that people who play a superbreak team already have FF because if you dont have her, you dont have a superbreak team and these people probably have lingsha aswell to upgrade that team. so yes, rappa is very skippable cause lingsha can clear PF for you and FF clears AS and MoC with ease.
I dont have FF myself cause i dont like superbreak but even i can understand that
Yeah but she paints so it’s cooler lolz
@@agr_aldt I'm no firefly fanboy but firefly is quite clearly the best break dps/dps in the game in general 😭"a million damage" in one cycle is really nothing compared to firefly who has 4 turns a cycle and hits for 500k+ consistently each turn at e0s0. Not sure where you're hearing that you need ff eidolons but e0s0 would 0 cycle if braxophone used her instead of rappa in that vid. A large portion of her dmg is coming from htb there who is clearly very well built in that vid. Exo toughness is also way more beneficial for rappa vs ff so in MOST other circumstances, ff is going to out-perform rappa at low investment. Once again I'm no firefly fanboy but denying her place as #1 dps is kind of cope.
That being said with the release of fugue I think Rappa will be just as strong if not stronger in some scenarios👍Obviously vs 3< imaginary weak targets she will outperform and ff will outperform vs 3> enemies
jing yuan mains
As a person who likes Firefly, and pulled for Lingsha (and her LC), I think that tier lists for a gacha game (or just any game in general) is entirely subjective. Just play what you wanna play and ignore other people's opinion if you don't agree with them. That'd make more sense than arguing about what character is better, because Firefly and Rappa do the exact same thing except they have different elements. Y'all MFs be tweaking over shit that isn't that deep. It's just a game, there's no reason to rage about a character you hate.
This might be a bit of a wild take from me (a random who happened to come across this video), but I truly think that meta in this game doesn't matter because you can make any character viable in this game, with a bit of time and patience. So just chill the fuck out dawg, it ain't that deep I promise you.
Really like how you went after both sides without looking like an ass. Respect to you.
I'm okay with just using Jing Yuan honestly. I've gotten by without use of too much meta stuff
aye whatever works honestly
@agr_aldt heck yea.
My usual team is Jing, Yanqing (first five star), Inhibitor Lunae, and Huohuo. Backups are Bronya, Firefly, Feixiao, and Trailblazer (Michael Jackson :>)
I loved firefly ever since i met her, i HATED kafka ever since i met her, its completely fine if people think firefly sucks as theyre entitled to their opinion but at the same time as am i. Kafka sucks sm imo
Idk about this video. I have an E0S0 Firefly and she did 1.1m on this MoC12 vs the puppets. So I don’t get where ur point of Rappa doing 1m dmg on MoC I being related to Rappa becoming better than Firefly.
I also have my other account that has Rappa and Lingsha (my f2p FF account doesn’t have Lingsha) and I felt the difference of Rappa with and without Lingsha. Rappa felt so ass without Lingsha as I tried replacing Lingsha with Gallagher and it’s just not it. And on enemies without Fire weakness, Rappa,s comp even felt more ass to play.
Well at least you and probably someone more finally see that Lingsha slaps Gallagher, thats something, btw that fight is the same for Firefly and Rappa, the real actual difference is the weakness multiplier, thats all
I literally used Gallagher and she did 1.3 million damage lol, it’s a matter of how much a character can do at a certain investment.
Like come on, Of course a 350Cdmg 101%Crate 5000 attack max trace max leveled e6s5 level 80 light cone Seele is gonna do better than a barely built Feixiao, but if that Seele is built to the same level as that a Feixiao, the numbers will fucking show.
@ regardless there is a vast difference in experience for Rappa and without Lingsha. Enemy needs to be at least weak to fire and or imaginary for her to be competitive on MoC outside of favorable turbulences
There are some points here, which are always mentioned in this comment section
Imaginary deals less break damage, which is a problem for a break unit. Imaginary also delays the enemy action so it stays more time weakness broken, which is good for super break, the archetype we are playing here. You can break with Gallagher, Lingsha or the upcoming Fugue and get the fire break damage since Rappa doesn't need to break the thoughness bar herself
Also, Rappa is really good in this MoC due exo toughness. Maybe if we got a nihility character that had exo toughness as part of her kit... Hmmm...
Rappa doesn't have weakness implant, but she doesn't need Ruan Mei to deal damage (half of Firefly damage comes from Ruan Mei), so you can replace her by Silver Wolf, the damage loss is minimal and that's a weakness implant you get. There's people clearing Hoolay with Rappa and she's awful for that side (no imaginary weakness), so the arguments given of "but she doesn't implant weakness" falls flat
Also, since she isn't tied to Ruan Mei to not be a potato, has more team variety, like Boothill. Which adds to the fun factor of the character and more freedom to build the 2 teams
FF is, like Jingliu, a good unit for beginners since their kit shit stats, but their ceiling is pretty low. The problem with FF is that she needs Ruan Mei so it's a unit for beginners that asks for another limited 5*
Why the shade towards lingsha tho…
Nah dw I don’t hate lingsha that much, it was just super funny to include 💀
I personally love Firefly and Rappa😅👍
I came here ready to be offended but im not really since idrc abt meta and pull for charaters i like or find cool. screw meta if im having fun thats all that really matters
man i just wanted a mysterious badass mecha war criminal and instead we got a cringe uwu mid waifu to bait the losers with no life into pulling
Feel like you are just being mad to be mad just because you don't want to follow the status quo or to be a firefly hater. When I heard you say "if the enemy is ice weak then ruan mei can break". Holy sht do you even play the game lmao. Imagine trying to break the boss when your only character with the correct weakness is Ruan mei. Even Gallagher or harmony MC alone will take years to break a boss. Rappa having no weakness implant is a huge reason why she's not worth pulling.
You have fun doing what you do but just know when they kill the break meta, rappa is going to get hit too.
Rappa bypass weakness type
If they kill break meta I have supports and shit ready to counter that, also just because I don’t wanna be a firefly player doesn’t mean I’m wrong, vice versa for firefly fans who aren’t idiots.
If the cycle doesn’t have her team’s weaknesses in one part, they’ll have them in another part, I’ve experienced this before, In EVERY MOC.
Come on now 💀🙏
@@agr_aldt I'm being a firefly shill sure but I don't think you're respecting how insanely busted firefly is in this point of the game. Remember people pulled silver wolf because she put weakness on people and that was the sole reasoning for pulling her. People spent $356 (hard pity) to get her. Now firefly does it for free and it's baked into her kit. That's basically a $700 value character (hard pity). You wonder why firefly has the most adamant shills and it's not just cause of her character design. It's the whole package.
Thanks for the silver wolf video idea, btw silver wolf doesn’t just implant weakness, she does debuffs and single target defense down, so ratio (or anyone in that niche) would benefit tons from that
Also, I’m not downplaying firefly at all, I know damn well she’s op but I just hate her so I’m not gonna pull lmao. Also if you can acknowledge firefly being good you can acknowledge the 5 star imaginary erudition version of her being good too. Lmao
True
I love Firefly, you do not like Firefly, cool 🤷 That's really all it should be, opinions on the characters who you like or dislike.
I think genuinely that any waifu fan thay defends their "waifu" like they are a real person is just just a parasocial loser.
At the end of the day, it is just fiction, a game, not reality, however I do apologize that some fellow Firefly fans are quite fanatic. Then again, every waifu has a fanatic fanbase somewhere, Firefly's is just the most talked about. Anyway, good day to you random UA-camr 👋
Bro you just hate firefly there is no way you say she is worse than rappa when she applies fire weakness and fire break has like way more multypliers than imaginary break if you are new to the game and pull rappa it would be terrible since firefly has super break built in to her kit and with rappa you would need to pull every break character wich as a new player would be insane
Well the thing about Rappa is that despite being imaginary her talent gives him extra break damage multipliers to compensate for the lower break scaling of img element. Whereas Firefly has nothing of the sort because fire break multipliers already double the initial break damage
I also disagree with the take that she is bad because she needs her break supports. Then by that logic every break dps is bad because they need their break supports. I won't go into unofficial leaks territory but so far literally the only character, non negotiable, that you need to build a break team is just HMC, with the exception of Boothill that prefers Bronya. Ruan Mei is great but she has alternatives like Asta or Pela. The same way that DHIL needs Sparkle to manage his SP but for ppl that don't have her, Hanya is there
The point about her not having implants for a break character is valid but it doesn't mean she can't break. She'll just do it slower than usual. And since she is Erudition anyway her focus is gonna be against a 5 stack battles instead of a single target battles, and situations where you fight 5 stack enemies usually only involve mobs. She can still break them without imaginary weakness
PS. I pulled Firefly at her release so I know what I'm talking about
@LPScarlex firefly is more universal and does not need hmc to superbreak since she has it in her kit she can also apply fire weakness so early game where you don't have hmc firefly would just be better
@@ArchDemonD Rappa also has superbreak in her trace. And her talent (on third ult basic) still deals normal break damage anyway. Did you not read her skills descriptions?
Also you can get HMC for free. Sure you don't get the eidolons until Penacony but everyone still gets the base kit after Cocolia
And one more thing, FF absolutely needs HMC lol. Her superbreak damage without Backup Dancer is horrible
@LPScarlex okay first of all firefly has superbreak in her kit all the time once you ult second of all you don't get hmc until you beat belebog and third im talking about low infestment early game wich yes you do not get eidolons for hmc till penacony but you also need ruan mei and lingsha/gallager to play rappa were firefly she can superbreak even with minimal infestment rappa's early game is terrible compared to firefly
@@ArchDemonDyou speak like if the story can't be finished in 2 day