Florida State/Clemson to the Big 12 Talk Gets Even Louder
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- Опубліковано 28 сер 2024
- Yet another major college football media member says Florida State and Clemson to the Big 12 is a real possibility, and I'm really starting to believe it. Report mentions the Big 12's other major expansion targets.
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FSU, Clemson, Louisville, NCST, VT, Miami, Pitt, Oregon St in that order. Miami has done nothing for 20 years and they have no fans. If big 12 goes to 24 eventually they'd have every region covered nation wide
I agree but with FSU the school is just like Texas, to much trouble, they want everything, like Texas they to be the number one.
I'm a KU/Big 12 fan. It would be great if Clemson and FSU come to the Big 12. But, they shouldn't get any more money than the rest. And if they "want" to be in the Big 12 only. We had to put up with Oklahoma and Texas thinking they were too good for the Big 12. We don''t need more of that.
You know I felt that way as a WVU fan but then I thought. What if we got them in with unequal revenue for this contract and when the renegotiation happens we put a look in to base the shares on performance ? Then it’s if you win you get more. Everyone not just them. Why not ? I mean there would have to be limits so that budgets wouldn’t fluctuate that much but an extra 10 mil cause you went to the playoffs ? Why not ?
I'm just wanting to see a Noles vs Utes! As well as adding Clemson into the battle for the scratching post trophy with Arizona, KSU, BYU, and Houston
This is crazy. These teams are not even out of the ACC yet and probably wont get out for awhile.
Not true
Jon, I wanted to say thank you. I generally listen to politics all day. I must tell you, your broadcast is a breath of fresh air. Thank you for carrying the Big 12 banner. I look forward to more Florida schools joining the conference.
As a UCF fan, I love the dig by Sanky. Keep sending the hate!😂
“Everything is going on”. Deud, nothing is going on! Every day we get an internet ”expert” make stuff up.
Are you also new to realignment ? I followed every single day of the PAC 12 and Big 12 war. Every podcast. Watched EVERYTHING. You sound like Pac 12 people last year 😂 nothings happening. You g-g-guys are making shit up lololol 😂
@@TheYates27 internet “experts” are all hypothesizing… that is not going on. Those are guesses.
Apples and oranges with pac12. Their contract was running out and no one was suing. Completely different situation. I don’t think that there are no 3rd party dealings going on, but this is not close to a done deal.
Florida State, Clemson, Louisville, VT, NCST, Pitt, Miami heck yeah in that order. GT/Duke uh I guess but would lean no. UVA/UNC I'm good plus they're going to be craved by the other two conferences. The others, nope
What will Notre Dame do without the ACC?
Probably make a similar agreement that they had with the BIG10 or just join the BIG10
I’m sure the BIG Thanos troll will be here soon to tell you
Big 10 and become one of the boys.
Saw a lot of talk about FSU going Indy for a few years. BYU spent over $30M in start-up costs just to be independent plus they spent extra every year on athletics. Notre Dame has the backing of the church as did BYU with LDS. FSU doesn't have that kind of tie in for financial backing. Not sure about the financial health of FSU, but that seems like a tall order for any school not named Notre Dame in current times. Probably better to go to a conference even for a few years than spend money you don't have on being independent.
ND has a contract with NBC
@@gbrew839 and FSU will not get that type of contract with a major network. Notre Dame has been independent for a long time. Their start-up costs were much less then than they would be now... but they'd still have the backing of the church, and FSU has none of that backing so your point is what?
Only the BIG12 will accept FSU's other sports among the P4, so why not force FSU to join in full?
No way this happens! Just don't believe it. Only way we can pay FSU and Clemson what they're asking is if the Big 12 has promotion/relegation where the "Premier" teams get extra money from the "1st Division" teams who get G5 money (based on 20 team league split in two).
How this affects basketball... I dunno.
I agree it doesn't happen but FSU for basketball would depend on what coach they get after Leonard Hamilton. He's had some really great teams but at 76 (thought he doesn't look it) he has slowed down quite a bit and probably won't be having such good teams in the near future. Brad Bronwell has had some decent teams at Clemson of late but nothing like threatening Final Fours on a regular basis.
@sammyvillena9777 well it's happening jamie
@bradparnell614 your wrong it s going to happen jamie.
Like your spelling, you can't be certain. No one has even said it will happen, just that it's a possibility so the fact that you are so sure is almost as funny as if it does happen because that will be hilarious to see all the egg on the face of FSU fans who were as certain as you that they were going to the Big10 or the SEC.
@bradparnell614 well sometimes when your excited things happen like miss spelling it's just life I'm sure you have done it yourself . And as far as the big 12 thing I'm pretty sure that's a done deal ! Knowbody else wants florida st. Or Clemson the big ten and sec said so themselves so that leves 2 more options besides the big 12 stay in the acc or go independent. Jamie
Unless the Big 12 comes up with the money these two want & they are not getting too much more than the others I give this a 30% chance. If this drags out they will end up elsewhere.
That’s wild bro was just saying 40 % chance lol. But look they can get them the money with unequal shares. The question is can Yormark convince the Presidents and AD’s
@@TheYates27 having to sell stuff to buy things is something. name rights?
@@merl-bz1bx naming rights patches all kinds of shit they’re planning on doing
John, I like your opinions. I respectfully disagree that it’s hypocrisy for Sankey to call out Florida State for whining. The SEC team left out of the playoff and the ACC team that got left out of the playoff played each other, do you remember?
Well I think Sankey is really getting at all the post UGA blowout stuff coming out of FSU. The rings and all that was after the UGA game. He was pandering to UGA as much as throwing shade
I doubt families would enjoy traveling thousands of miles to watch games.
The XII has Cinci, UCF, and WV in the Eastern US already, travel might not be as bad as people are thinking about when they think of the always been XII schools like Oklahoma State, Iowa State, Kansas and Kansas State etc
@@toddwebb7521 Im assuming you are talking about the students. Travel time and cost will be a big deal on everyone.
@merl-bz1bx ever here of flying jamie
Miami to Boston college is one of the furthest, in-conference travel destinations? Now you are going to Stanford and cal. Enjoy the long road trips coast to coast.
@toddwebb7521 what if Hawaii joined the confrence then what would u say jamie
I think 20 schools per conference is the manageable max. After that, if you want to add a new school, an existing school has got to go.
Well, it's the big 12 or being independent ! Jamie 😊
Sec and big ten said no way they want Florida st or Clemson 😂 aau credit thingy good luck in the 12
The Big 12 is definitely still fighting for its life. If they can’t get up to par with the Power 2 they will lose the top tier teams sooner or later, then it becomes a defunct non power conference that will get left behind
Like the ACC and pac 10?
@@Joe-sm9qjPrecisely.
The BIG12 has already lost its top teams and is now already dead as a peer Tier 1.
In 42 years covering CFB, I have never thought the B1G was begging ND for admission. Extreme liberal state universities and Notre Dame? I never bought it. More competition for Midwest athletes. I never saw the Great Lake 7 being convinced getting the Uber religious Irish in their fold was likely. If ND could have had that ACC deal with the B1G, why didn't it?
Now, I agree the main reason the IRISH do not want a Big12 hook either is money, and culture. But at least the Big12 is an open minded conference (Baylor, Brigham Young). Notre Dame might fit in better than people think. BYU is an extremely prestigious university like ND. Point is however, in the end the Big12 is good right now. Maybe it's enough. Maybe FSU and Clemson become a available. Who knows. Let's see what happens if ESPN pulls the ACC's 💵 IV. That's when we will find out the truth And future for all of major college football.
BYU is not close to ND in academic reputation.
If nothing else, the B12 may be able to negotiate a scheduling partnership with these two. If they would rather go independent, they will still need to schedule competitively. 8 B12 games, + Florida/SouthCarolina, + B1G/SEC contender, + ND, + G5. Note that Miami, Louisville, and two other ACC schools are likely in the B12 under this scenario.
Florida should not get any more money than any other team.
Exactly. Although I wasn’t aware that Florida was trying to get out of the SEC.
Unless Yormark is offering an unequal revenue deal I just can’t see FSU wanting to be in the same league making the same amount as UCF.
He is.
He has to convince the schools that’s the hard part.
@@TheYates27 I don’t see the other Big 12 schools going for that. They just got rid of Texas. They won’t be eager to replace them with another prima donna who wants the rest of the conference to carry their jockstraps.
Why pay more for FSU when the BIG12 can get for pro rata (at most)?
@@tarheel7406 Do you know that to be fact ? You have Fox and ESPN on your hot line ? They’ll get more than pro rata for those two.
Is there a way to read old newsletters?
Florida State & Clemson don't add TV coverage for the SEC. ABC-ESPN isn't going to pay extra for that.
They’re paying for the match ups. You literally have no clue. Are you new to realignment lol ?
Nah, dude, keep up the delusion. Great comedy.
Who is your squad ? Did you pay any attention to what went on with the PAC 12 ? Cause you sound a lot like them before their Conference collapsed.
4 with 5 team divisions.... two tier championship in football... 8 game conference schedule... then the 9th game is either first round two tier championship. those not in the championship play each other for their ninth game.
We don't want another NFL NFC VS AFC THIS IS COLLEGE FOOTBALL GET IT THROUGHT YOUR HEAD BIG WIGS ! JAMIE
The amount of you guys that are completely lost on realignment is stunning. I can tell a lot of you didn’t really pay close attention to the PAC 12 - Big 12 saga. This smoke is real. At the same time not one person has said this is for sure. So chill out. All these reportings are are the current pulse of the situation. But yes it could change at any time. But one things first sure. Greg Flugar knows his stuff and was on this before almost anyone else.
Honestly, FSU and Clemson might be much better for the Big12 if the ACC contract ends. ESPN would have millions to redirect to a conference ESPN can design. You dump say 9-11 ACC teams and move that cash over to a bigger but now wealthier Big12. I could see both ESPN and getting on board with that idea and it would likely lift all Big12 boats by another $8-12mm.
I thought the same thing. The reason there’s smoke to this is when you think about it long enough it weirdly starts to make sense.
@@TheYates27 I also think that FSU and Clemson are not enamored with the idea of joining leagues that it believes have a lot of perceived equals in the main revenue sports. Being in the ACC has been fine for having the ability to produce wins. It's the lack of money and opportunity that is the problem.
Playing in the Big 12 will not be a lateral financial move. It also played before somewhat bigger stadiums than most ACC venues.ACC basketball has declined in recent years. It is as if the Big12 is up and coming whereas the ACC is just old and it's majority programs small. I would hate to see Louisville over Georgia Tech. That rivalry with FSU and Clemson is great plus Atlanta vs Louisville...no contest.
But overall I believe the fans at Clemson and FSU would get a far better welcome into the Big12 than into either the SEC or B1G. The SEC doesn't want more of Florida and South Carolina. The B1G would like to go south on paper, but not without each school being worth a gross $80-100mm/year.
If the Big12 took four schools, I would go for markets first, where the graduate 👀s reside...
FSU (gouge the deep South)
Clemson (gouge the South Atlantic region)
Georgia Tech (get Atlanta, plus another national fan base)
VA Tech (get the mid Atlantic from So Delaware to North Carolina)
I thought about Pittsburgh but screw them. The police chief demoted to officers that volunteered to work on Trump's detail last week. Back the blue, and UPitt's city didn't. Screw them. 😉
ESPN would have been better off renegotiating and keeping the ACC intact rather than create a hodgepodge large BIG12 with heavily diluted value.
Get those two schools and Virginia Cavaliers as well!!
If UVA can split from VATECH, it goes either SEC or B1G.
More measured = more soy boi
As a Seminole fan since 1964, I can say I’d be happy to come to the Big 12 if we can get as much money as the Florida Gators, our biggest rival. Plus we will bring the Big 12 some natty’s if we can get SEC money to buy more blue chip players.
FSU would wither after that walk of shame and surrounded by SEC schools.
A cautionary tale.
I think that you and Clemson coming over could raise the payout to around 50 million. Then if you keep your current hard non-conf schedule that closes some of the gap. If you bet on yourself and sign a deal where you keep the playoff money if you go and forgo your share when the rest go, that could close the gap. If you win. Won't be easy.
FSU vs WildUte (Utah) and Nate Bomb3r (BYU)….🤣. I will love trash talk with those two guys. Go Noles!!!
@@tarheel7406
@@earlygenesistherevealedcos1982 Remember that TX/OK left the BIG12 due to not having the lift to get a Tier 1 deal, few games of higher fan interest (even with lots of regional history), and the effects on recruiting. Given all of that and the BIG12's recent dilutive backfill, FSU and CLEMSON will somehow have the lift, etc.?
Let’s go T-ReXII
Sic ‘em Bears
Signed up for news letter tonight
CAL and Stanford will be homeless, again.
CAL/STANFORD knew that UNC, CLEMSON and/FSU were leaving.
You’re not gonna get even close to BIG 10 or SEC money going to the big 12…. It’s just probably the best and only move you guys have to make.
That’s not even true at all. Like you literally have no clue what you’re talking about. Yormark wants to give them unequal shares. They’re also working on drumming up 10 per team per year with different endorsements. That would actually put them right with the SEC.
By the time they do patches naming rights, ect that’ll end up being $160 million in endorsements when it’s all done. And It’ll actually be approx 9.5 million per team I was rounding…
People don't realized that if the judge rules against the ACC's media contract and GORs? That means the SEC, Big 10 and Big 12's contract would be ruled against. A lot of schools in all three conferences would vote against FSU and Clemson. Josh Pate and others do not know anything about realignment and since the ACC's contract is similar to the other three.
Similar but with additions that make the ACC agreement unique. A rule against one will impact the others. The difference is that few teams in the other 3 Power conferences are not eager to leave, especially if Yormark can get payout closer to Power 2 payouts.
B1G is the only conference with a $0 exit fee so there's that. It's a ruling that no one is going to exercise.
@@heartbreak25 YET
Exactly. No one wants FSU. They have nothing to offer that any other conference wants. Nobody watches them and no one likes them. They are the most hated team in America. Go Noles!
@@INFAMOUSfrontRunn3r The world has YET to end. What does that have to do with how I live my life today?
If Clemson, Florida State, North Carolina, Virginia, Louisville, and Miami joined the Big 12 I could see the Big 12 getting $65 million per school and with Yormark getting the Big 12 more money for basketball the payout per school could be an additional $15-$20 million more! This would make the payout per Big 12 school on par with the SEC and the B1G! Who knows, within a few years, if a few of the Big 12 schools win the national titles in football and basketball the payouts for the Big 12 could be even higher than the SEC and B1G since the Big 12 is already the best conference in basketball and it’s not that far off from the SEC and the B1G in football with the additions of Clemson, Florida State, Miami, and Louisville! I think with the additions of these new schools the future for the Big 12 would take off like crazy! Way more than the SEC and the B1G because this conference has a bunch of schools that are very good in both football and basketball unlike the SEC and the B1G that are very top-heavy with 3-4 schools in those conferences dominating all of the other schools in football and not many of them are top basketball schools! I hope Clemson and Florida State would see the potential of the Big 12 and not think they have to join the SEC or the B1G in order to make a lot of money! Plus, if they joined the Big 12 they would automatically become the top alpha dogs in the conference, but if they joined the SEC or the B1G they could find themselves burried in the depth charts behind schools like Alabama, Georgia, OU, Ohio State, Michigan, and USC just like Arkansas and Nebraska are right now since they have joined the SEC and the B1G respectively!
No feasible path that ends with UNC in the BIG12. Most likely only FSU.
Sankey is absolutely a hypocrite and a pathological liar. That’s what he’s paid for. He’s just better at it than most.
Yormark is a huckster. Private equity is selling your soul to the devil. Good luck with that.
@@ronon3849
@@ronon3849A huckster ? Really ? The guy has made every company he’s worked for Ridiculous money but he’s a huckster ? It’s funny some of the people talking shit they know nothing about. The only people who says he a huckster are the people who feel threatened by him.
@@INFAMOUSfrontRunn3rdudes dumb
@@ronon3849 Yormark selling a PE deal reminds me of hot new g-friend that gets you to live off of credit cards. You travel to nice places, update the wardrobe, and have a wonderful time. Nevertheless, the cards get maxed, the girl moves on, and now you can barely make the debt payments.
I can see BY getting all the praise or upfront benefits but be long gone when the piper arrives. Assuming FSU/CLEMSON were pulled, they would have depreciated down to average value, and the BIG12 schools will have to compete on G5 level distributions after the investors get their cut.
Such an "all or nothing" play may work, but that's a big risk.