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- Опубліковано 5 лип 2024
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The latest episode of the Boys stumbled into the biggest controversy we've seen in the show involving Hughie Campbell disguised as Web Weaver in Tek Knights dungeon.
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I'm glad the writers gave Hughie that moment when he broke down and addressed how messed up that dungeon was.
Bro that was BRUTAL
If u think about it MM put hughie in that problem. Butcher would have done the same but when he saw where Hughie go into the dudgeon and where it’s located butcher would have rushed in there really fast with starlight to get him out of there soon as possible.
That is why butcher says to MM “your not fucking cut out for this leader roll cunt!”
So in the end Butcher is the better leader and would have thought this plan through unlike MM
That doesn't make it better
Wasn't Hughie crying about his dad and not the dungeon?
@@r7ahtesham885 u can't make a whole episode like that and then expect everything to be ok by making the character cry.
He'd never put starlight in a situation like this for "jokes"
True Even though she has been several times in the comics
Thats what im saying bro
Exactly
@@Chillchildren999 they weren't made by the same person tho? like Eric kripke mainly the one running the show now not garth ennis, do you honestly think this would've happened to starlight given how the show is now?
Agreed.The writers are just full of themselves and perverse
Ya Ngl this episode made me a little uncomfortable
Same
Was this the first time?
Yeah, I literally felt violated through the screen 😂 Not the first time, though... I'm like the alcoholic's wife, I just keep coming back for more, too addicted to run away
it's the boys, multiple moments in the show (and especially season 3 ep 1 and 6) make the viewers feel uncomfortable.
Only the lobotomy scene was worse. I had to fast forward that.
hollywood when woman is r word: Bad
hollywood when man is r word: 😂
@@alexdean9287 Family Guy.
A perfect example is Terry Crews. The big strong black man who admitted to being sexually assaulted by a woman, but you probably didn't hear about it, because he's a man. It wasn't taken as seriously.
@@alexdean9287 And? Why does anything that you said invalidate the example?
@@alexdean9287the entire plot of horrible bosses. Cmon dude
Invincible
I hope the Invincible show keeps it's Male R victim story. The comic handled it very well and never treated it like a joke.
Probably not
both shows are under Amazon. i could see them being hesitant to have a show play the sexual assault of a man completely straight, but now with this whole controversy on their other largest superhero property, it's definitely not happening
It will happen. Idk why people think it won’t. It’s too important to Invincible’s plot
@@Dyl-hf8kqI like that you think it would matter now, it's probably already been story boarded with key frames and a script for voice acting
@@alexgrissom3513it's disgusting
I felt uncomfortable seeing Hughie getting violated, him breaking down at the end felt very much realistic.
Nah the worst part was when they were giving the guys money to Black Lives Matter it was so disgusting I had to skip that scene.
Wha??💀
I feel that they needed to put a message in the end credits about where or who to call if you or someone you know has been sexually assaulted.
If this was a woman he would’ve been ejected out of the writers room cartoonishly
Didn’t they already do a female SA story.
@@JIreland1992 Wasn't played for laughs though. The head writer certainly didn't pop up to talk about how hilarious Starlight's SA was.
@@thedrewdog don’t think Huggies situation was played for laughs either. I think Kripke calling it hilarious was more the idea that a Batman like character would secretly be a sex pest. This isn’t even a new concept for dark super hero stories, look up the Brat Pack at some point, it makes this look tame by comparison.
Male SA is always treated as a joke in media, on social media, and society.
Because some men are expected to be tough, macho and never show feelings that make them look weak and less imposing like sadness and depression.
Which is something downright atrocious for our society.
The Deep was assaulted and it was serious, quit yo bitching
Maybe I'm being too charitable, but it seems like Kripke was saying Tek Knight having a secret dungeon like that was the hilarious part, not nesecarily what happened to Hughie
This was how I interpreted what he was saying
I agree, I thought the hilarious part was that tek knight was a wacky pervert. If the part when hughie is SA’d was supposed to be funny then they 100% would have made the scene light hearted and not gross and uncomfortable
I want to give him the benefit of the doubt
what exactly is hilarious about a rape dungeon?
Yea I think the dichotomy of Tek Knight being this old money uptight Billionaire compared with him being into BDSM was the joke not the SA.
Initially while I felt uncomfortable, I felt that the show itself was treating this all as like a joke up for laughs. So I just went along with it uncomfortably laughing or staying slient, while also feeling disgusted. However, that all changed after Tek Knight pulled off the mask and when Hughie began to cry and scream in horror/terror, the whole situation for me quickly turned horrifying. I actually got a few tears in my eyes seeing what was going to happen to Hughie, and when Hughie broke down in front of Starlight later. Once again I felt sad and got a few tears from my eyes.
Went from uncomfortable and disgusting, to horror to saddness for me.
I didn't laugh at all at any moment. I just wanted Hughie to get out of there ASAP, and safe.
You got a “few tears”? Jfc you know this is a show that has scenes of such gratuitous violence just strewn about right?
No need to tear up over this.
Different things affect people differently. That's normal, we've all lived different lives.
@@DarkF4lcon I'm fine with extremem violence or gore. But like when it comes to sexual content I feel uncomfortable and even sad. That's just me. Sorry?
@@MichaelDeHaven Correct.
It's disgusting that most of society don't care about men getting abused.
🤷♂️
What are you gonna do about it?
@@Brandonweifurape some girls
The Deep was assaulted and it was serious, quit yo bitching
For me this episode seemed to go overboard just for the sake of going overboard, not necessarily to add to the narrative.
So the boys in a nutshell
@@Brandonweifuthe comics yeah, but it felt the show was more nuanced.
It didn't really feel as if it took the SA seriously like they did with Starlight in season 1. It really felt like they were trying to play it up for laughs and shock value.
The Deep was assaulted and it was serious, if you wanna compare scenes then compare the right ones.
Did you even watch the episode?
Well it's official, the show creator themself is a little crazy.
Who tf thought the wokes are relatively sane in the first place😂
@@phoenixo7133 I never said that. I just thought the writers were getting lunney in season 3. Maybe 2.
@@phoenixo7133anyone who uses the term “the wokes” is equally insane 🤣
@@RyomenAyeni225 Yes
@@phoenixo7133 so you are admitting that you are insane???
It took me so long to realize he wasn't saying essay. I was like "Did I miss an episode??"
Haven't watched the episode yet, but from what I'm hearing, it's only treated as a joke until it's known it's not the really Webweaver. Webweaver had consented to the acts before hand and Hughie, pretending to be Webweaver didn't know the safe word.
After it's found out to be Hughie and it continues, the situation changes from misunderstanding to intentional.
I do not think the show went "too far". By the end of the episode Hughie's trauma is addressed seriously. Earlier in the episode, hughie is truly believed to be web weaver, Tek Knight even says "I know this is a little vanilla compared to what your used to". The humor comes from the misunderstanding and the shock of what Tek Knight is into, as opposed to assault in of itself. The situation doesnt get serious until Tek Knight finds out who Hughie is and truly threatens to violate him. Thats when the wrtting makes it no longer funny and actually takes it seriously.
"We thought it was hilarious!"
-Kripke
@@theblaze5530 Wow... Way to take the totality of an interview out of context. Especially without including the part near the end where he states how this was the straw that broke the camel's back for Hughie and how Hughie always says he is okay or fine despite everything (both serious and humorous) that he has been through. Showing narrative purpose for the scene.
Also it is supposed to be funny, because the part that is supposed to be laughed at is the misunderstanding from Ashley and Tek Knight who believe he is the consenting participant that is Web Weaver. It purposely stops being funny when the actual SA happens after his cover is blown, and Tek Knight threatens to violate him. Much like how I already explained.
@@darryljack6612I was happy that they showed Hughie's reaction, but when they proceeded to ignore it to talk about his dad? Well, that pissed me off.
Imagine if in season 1 Starlight mother died and they gave her one moment to cry only to ignore the assault and focus on the death?
@@jackislegitterrified3689 I think you should check out the full interview. It's not that they ignored it, but it was the last straw that broke the camel's back to finally get him to say he is not fine. Because before this point (even while he was in the Tek Cave) Hughie has always said "I'm fine", instead of being honest.
@jackislegitterrified3689 Nice goal post move.he addresses both literally in that scene.is he supposed to be over his dads death already???
We already know how messed up the world of the Boys is, what exactly do scenes like this add anymore apart from shock humour? Its just weird
I feel like this season they are using shock to cover up bad writing. The writing quality overall has been a lot worse than the previous seasons but people aren't really talking about it.
You could say this about every season
Not so Fun Fact:
In the Comics, Hughie was SA'd in the Crutch by Black Noir himself. Black Noir did it to mentality Destroy hughie to not tell his Team about what Noir did to him or his Encounter with him and it Worked. Hughie was traumatized and was hiding in shocked while Butcher was looking for him.
That's hot
@@turtle-ot2qc truly a feminist comment
@@aihaven345 If you're trans just say so, I'm not into your kind buddy.
@@aihaven345. No
@@aihaven345 feminism has nothing to do with what that commenter said.
I think some elements tho uncomfortable I can see be tiny more funny than others. I laughed near the beginning but the further it went the darker it went and I think that works cause it’s like it’s revealed how sick it goes. The end I don’t think is played for laughs so ig I can see his answer but maybe it was just to blunt.
If Kripke just said it’s supposed to start uncomfortable but funny like with the cake and devolve into something that’s straight up horrific with Hughie desperately trying to figure out the safe word and eventually being discovered then I don’t think there would be any issues with the sequence aside from how gross and shocking it was.
@@dustyfedora I agree cause I feel like by not saying it the scene comes across a little one note but like actually talking about it in detail makes it less like the comics which is shock value.
@@dustyfedora I think people are way too hung up about what the creator said about the episode compared to what actually happened. Doesn't matter if the showrunner says he found it funny, the episode clearly isn't playing it for laughs as proven by the ending scene
The question was about Hughie's SA. A showrunner shouldn't be following up that question with "That's a dark way to put it. We view it as hilarious!" because it's completely inappropriate and insensitive. Eric Kripke should of chosen his words better. They wouldn't play the scene for laughs had a woman been in Hughie's position and that makes this controversy even worse. People are pretty tired of male SA not getting taken seriously, and his awful comments don't help the shows case. If he meant something else, it shouldn't of been the first words out of his mouth.
The Deep was assaulted and it was serious, quit yo bitching
Reddit was actually completely enraged about this episode and they started criticising the writing a lot
And also was very mad about the fact that Eric made put that in for laughs and rightly called out how he'd never do that to a female charecter as it was handled much better with Starlight and The Deep
Reddit overreacting to something 🙄
The laughs didn't come from assault in of itself, but from the misunderstanding and shock of what Tek Knight and Ashley is into and how they believehughie is Web Weaver, someone who is actually into this stuff.
@@darryljack6612 no part of that is funny in the slightest.
@@mrosskne if you don't find it funny then that's a you thing. Personally I find it funny when someone sits their bare ass on a cake while a billionaire is edging in the corner.
No, it's a problem with the show, since it is objectively not funny and my sense of humor is entirely without flaws. Do not reply to me again.
@@mrosskne The majority of reaction channels seemed to be laughing at it, and the majority of reviews are positive as well. So maybe it is just your own sense of humor.
Why do people think this was played for laughs? The scene where he breaks down at the end perfectly sums up the entire experience for Hughie. It was portrayed as horrible as could be.
The showrunner said it was. Pretty simple
I wish the show could just be rid of all this gross out and super over the top garbage and just stick to the main plot of the show surrounding Butcher and Homelander's plan and the virus and just get to the end already
no
I partially agree with you. The super edgy overly raunchy moments people talked about turned me off of the show at first because I assumed that was all it would be with very little substance. It's hard to break away from because it's so tied to the identity of the show. I do however think the writers are taking the source material and doing something better with it.
They do that to stay somewhat true to the comics. You're actually lucky they're not doing some of the stuff the comics have done. Examples include
1. Lamplighter living as a resurrected zombie of himself. He enjoys flinging his own feces around his cell and Starlight has to clean it up.
2. Mother Milk really has to drink his mothers breastmilk just to survive.
3. Billy kills Ryan when he's an infant by bashing in his skull after he burst out of his Beccas stomach and kills her in the process.
These are just SOME examples lol.
You're one of those people that hated Hugh's Euthanization episode, aren't ya? God forbid we get character development. People like you need to be ignored. You don't know what you want. Just sit back, shut up, and consume.
you say that but that's honestly the only aspect of the show that's still faithful to the comics 😂
Bro there were cake farts im aorry who tf took that seriously
Agreed on that part the only part where it actually was a bit serious was when tek knight takes off hughies mask
@@NickyYey Yeah thats what another comment, talked about, when that part came in there were no jokes, as it was a direct reference to tek raping hughie, while all the previous stuff were "joke" However, it was still a messed up SA
@@iforbot7732 cept it wasn't sexual assault.web weaver consented
I think Kripke is using 'the writers' to take the heat off of himself. It would have been smart to play the scene either 100% wacky or 100% terrifying and serious. Perhaps they underestimated how much fans love Hughie.
Or...yall are taking his interview way out of context
@@Brandonweifu Sometimes writers dont stick the landing. His comments didnt make it any better. People didnt like the scene for whatever their reasons were and his enjoyment of the scene turned people off. It is what it is. People didnt like it. Theyre not going to cancel the show over it.
It didn't even come to my mind that Hughie was getting SA'd since Tek Knight and Ashley thought it was the actual Webweaver in costume and it was probably something the three do routinely before Tek Knight pulled off the mask in the episode; regardless, it was kind of disturbing and weird for the episode in general especially with the cake and stuff. Even so, after Hughie's identity was revealed, I was more disturbed that Tek Knight was going to torture him and cut a hole in his stomach :/
It is not a problem that they put it in the episode. The problem is their commentary of why they did it.
I don't know if Kripke is trying to say something else, but he frequently finds himself saying things that can be interpreted very unfavorably by the community. For a writer, he sure fumbles a lot while trying to communicate.
Tek Knight has 2 characteristics:
1. His deduction skill
2. His degenerative nature
I found the first part far more interesting, the writers thought otherwise.
Sage is like a better version though, didn’t really miss out on much.
@@burgerandy2729 is she tho? This is partially why I hate even more how they handled Tek Knight.
She claims to be the smartest person on earth but the only seemingly smart thing she has done was start the riot and blame the Starlighters. Even that's not a super genius move, just an average genius one. She also had that deduction scene with Homelander, but we barely saw much after that (do remind me of there's any more deduction scene).
More or less everything that happened afterwards were essentially her plot armor. Starlight losing her temper and going apesht on Firecracker looked to me like something happened just to make Sage look smarter. It should've been obvious when Starlight saw that Firecracker show was in front of her place.
And she could've rationally pin it all on FC if she played her cards right and didn't start a one-sided fistfight. My immediate thought was for Starlight to go to the stage and publicly apologize to FC for what she did to her reputation when she was younger and should've followed with how creepily obsessed FC has been by looking for SL's personal data like this. Overall, SL's response seemed way too much and just to make Sage's plan work.
Finally, she's like, I can make this cure, that scientific achievement, I know all about MM's family blah blah...
Well, anyone can claim to do scientific breakthrough, so saying that alone doesn't make one smart. Or simply having information the writer wants her to have does mot make her smart.
I would actually prefer if it turns it she's not really the smartest on earth, just very smart and happens to be the smartest among the people around her. And the reason the doctors didn't care about her cure is because there were certain side-effects she never considered (because she was still a child). Instead, they rather were surprised that somewhere her age pulled off something like this.
As to why that would make her version of the story unreliable? It's because she thinks she understands everyone and has everything under control but what she has is a somewhat awareness over a certain cone of possibility and anything outside of that, she can't handle well. Think the MM scene with her. She literally got shot because she thought escalating the situation would be in her favor. MM didn't even mean to shoot her in the head.
She's still pretty smart, but seems nothing like someone who can claim to be the smartest on earth.
@@sharif471. Is it really that strange that Starlight, who has been shit on for a while wouldn’t finally reach her breaking point after an entire day of slander right in front of her building? It’s strange for her to fight after having her abortion outed? I don’t think so.
2. Ofcourse if the writers say she’s smart you have to believe it, you believe that Soldier Boy killed MMs family because he’s racist but it’s never shown.
3. She got shot on purpose, she asked Newman twice if she was in or not, Newman never answered so she made herself brain dead in order for Newman to step up.
@@fatit5217 #1 her reaction is understandable, but not guaranteed. And Sage's plan entirely depended on SL going apesht.
#2 This one is more about not following the "Show, don't tell" rule. Sage's always telling how she's the world's smartest, seldom showing that. Now, how is this different from Soldier Boy? It's different because that info about Soldier Boy is something he once did, while this info on Sage is something she is. Frankly, I don't even remember what SB did, but that doesn't give me a reason to think he's an a-hole, because he always behaves like one. Meanwhile, Sage's behavior says she's more of a bragger than the smartest on earth.
#3 was interesting, I really considered if it's indeed one of her smart move that totally went over my head. Then I realized it's probably not. Because, similar to #1, this plan heavily depended on Sage being sure that certain events would happen, like:
1. One or more of The Boys will infiltrate the place.
2. Maybe one or more will get stuck.
3. Backup team will actually come with firearms
4. Hopefully, the guy with firearm is MM so that she can give him a panic attack.
She didn't even know beforehand that the Boys are coming, so it's hard to accept that she planned everything.
And if the answer to all this is because she's the smartest, then it seems the only way to show she's the smartest by showing she somehow knows what the plot needs her to know.
Now, does it actually benefit her by making her act like dumb (and embarrass Homelander) so Victoria can take her place? Homelander seems REALLY pissed at her now. She can try explaining how everything worked because she "planned" but who knows if he will listen.
Also, it seems Victoria is now in control instead of her. Don't know how HL will take that and wondering if he even will give her a chance now.
Again, if Victoria wasn't interested, she could've just stayed on her seat. She wouldn't be blamed for Sage's mishap. And I doubt she stood up JUST because of that one pep-talk by Sage earlier in the episode.
It shouldn't even be controversial. Hughie was treated as Fetish Fuel for laughs, and in the latest episode, even gets RP'd by Deception. It's not funny when it happens to ANY character, but "Funny When it Happens to a Guy" is still considered acceptable, and it really sucks.
it was intended to be his breaking point and it’s kinda funny in a shocking way for the audience but really the show isn’t sitting there and saying oh yeah you should find this funny and not the horrific situation that it is because it does affect his character in a serious way it isn’t purely for laughs.
@@yummy_the_braix exactly people need to understand this. if they really were gonna make it a joke they wouldnt have hughie breaking down at the end
@@alexdean9287 Kripke himself said it was the funniest thing he ever wrote. This was absolutely a joke.
This was even more uncomfortable than herogasm and the deep eating an octopus alive
But Deep eating Timothy was funny!
"Oh, God. He's praying."
@@birdmoney no it wasn't funny
@@TheScepticalThinker1 ☹️
@@TheScepticalThinker1funny you all are appearing up NOW and not the unfunny scenes from previous seasons
nah the scene where hughie broke down hit home. glad they put that in so it feels at least somewhat allegorical
didnt read the article. fuck thats rough
Not-so-fun-a-fact: Regarding Annie's SA, the showrunners didn't want to put it in originally, and only did after the women in the stuff insisted. So yeah...
Your point being?.....
i get it. and i hate to be that guy but didn't they have his consent? he was supposedly be webweaver. i guess im trying to logic my way out of that scene lol
Your right
that's not really a consent, he had to agree, otherwise his cover would be blown
@@AttackHelicopter64 i guess. but yeah the second part which bro was going to cut holes in his body, that was traumatizing
that was really fucking cringe
People thought it was played for laughs? Nothing about how it was shot and acted was anything other then horrific.
I mean like the sitting on the cake and Ashley smearing her juices on Hughies face was just so clearly there for laughs
Literally been watching this show since season 1 and kept up
This episode was very clearly intended to be incredibly uncomfortable to sit through but the comedic sense is the fact he is undercover with depraved perverts but has to blend in AND cannot stop if he wanted cause he doesnt know the safe word
The situation he was put in is typical dark humor for the show, Im surprised people interpreted his torture as "comedic" in any fashion when he was literally screaming in terror and got caught
It remains to be seen if Invincible will adapt Anissa scene or not. To my memomy it is the only example in media where SA on male is treated as a real thing that exists. The fact that people have a doubt if it'll be depicted is already saying a LOT about how the issue is treated.
Oh, wait, I have just been reminded that FEAR 2 exists... let's just ignore that can of worms, ok?😅
I honestly felt uncomfortable durind all that episode.
And in the end, when Hughie finally broke down crying, I felt for him.
Kripke finding that “hilarious” is sick, dude
Huey actually gets... Handled forcefully... in the comic. The show honestly did it way less vicious than I was expecting. When they started I thought "oh shit this is it. They're actually doing it."
This episode its just too weird
Tek knight's fetish, homelander's fetish, webweaver stuff
They just do the weirdest stuff as they imagine to this episode, like herogasm
I had to pause like 10 times because I was struggling to watch the whole thing
He says with a smiling friends pfp
This entire episode could be explained in 3 words:
Fucked, Uncomforting and disgusting.
I reckon that's all of em.
To me, the dungeon scene was SO unnecessary. They could've done something way more interesting than including such a raw and yucky scene like that. I, for one, did NOT need to see that. But then i look at the people commenting saying its making fun of male r*pe/SA....it kinda doesnt. Cus after that scene and we're in the boys tower, Hughie actually breaks. This is a really good representation of how traumatising Female OR Male R*pe/SA can be for someone to endure.
I still think they could've left this out, but it was really good to see Hughies character finally hit his breaking point, cus now i reckon he's gonna go all out and finally speak his mind with no hesitation. Might even start supporting the idea that killing supes is a good thing and that they need to kill Homelander NOW. Just like Butcher.
He wasn't crying because of the cave, he was crying about his dad, mostly.
I didn't laugh when he broke down but I didn't take it seriously. I doubt the show wanted me to
That's been the entire show up to this point, keep up. Fucked up serial killer stuff is common in media.
@@jackislegitterrified3689he was crying about both.did you watch the episode?
@@Brandonweifu Read my comment again. His biggest issue was his father being dead, not being sexually assaulted.
It was his breaking point, but it wasn't his main concern.
If, say, you saw your best friend die in front of, only to be Tortured for 2 years, would your first trauma automatically be your main concern anymore?
When the creator was asked if they'd focus on the effects it will leave on Hughie, he diverted the question by saying shit like "He's all about forgiveness and is one of the most morally good characters."
I'm not saying he didn't take it serious, I'm saying that he didn't do much with it and left it mostly for jokes
it exactly does make fun of victims, just look at how it treated starlight vs hughie
I really hope Laddio was there by choice 💀
Him trying to break free followed up by Tek Knight saying
“LADDIO, GO GET HELP BOY!! 🗣️ “
Had me literally laughing out loud uncontrollably 😭🤣
His dad just passed away and this happened to him. Like wtf 😢
I think the main reason this was taken in a comedic route was due to the immediate dispatching of justice towords the villain.
It wasn't rape until they found out it was hughie. And at that point they didn't make it funny anymore, so WHO TF has a problem with that?
Yeah, people on the internet just want to complain.
The situation was funny because they thought it was webweaver, but you can see that they already made Hughie uncomfortable and just trying to not be there mentally saying things like "I'm fine. This is totally fine. I'm drenched with cum.", but when Teknight removed the mask, the scene became total horror and wasn't funny anymore, you could see Hughie was scared.
that's still fucked up from Hughie's POV
@@AttackHelicopter64 Something very new in this series...
the problem is eric kipke told he would never put a woman in that place
Humour is subjective.
I cried when Hughie broke down in front of Annie and giving the payoff saying "I'm not fine" after telling his Mom and Annie that he was fine earlier in the episode. The cake scene was funny. Him being forced to keep getting violated because he doesn't know Webweaver's safe word was disgusting. The show never made that part seem funny.
I wonder what Dennis Quaid and Meg Ryan thought of the cake fart
A complete nonsense. The scene is treated entirely as comedy. Moments later, the screenwriter seems to remember that it was an abusive situation and says two lines in reference to that, but diverts it again to "my father died."
They couldn't choose a side and ended up failing on both.
The worst part is that what happened to Starlight barely counts as an assault. It's still technically a verbal assault and the deep is an asshole sure. But at the end of the day Deep just gave her a disgusting choice and she made it.
She could have just gone to somebody with a higher rank to tell about what he said. Instead she willingly did it to get this spot and after that called it actual rape.
It's like getting punched in the face once and then telling people that all your ribs and spine were broken after this. Sure a punch to the face is a crime but you're still lying
This dude is on a watchlist 100%
@@duckchen2676 when you don't have anything to say but you REALLY want to
@@TheHellyeahmen the idea that workplace sexual coercion is not SA does not warrant a legitimate response
@@duckchen2676 and how about the idea of learning how to read? I said from the start it is assault. But her calling it rape is a lie.
There. I hope a shorter version is easier to understand
@@TheHellyeahmen you called it a verbal assault, and said she chose to not only do it but did it to profit off of it. But either way, oral rape is rape.
And do I need to explain how stupid your idea of "going to HR" would be in this situation?
I feel that they needed to put a message in the end credits about where or who to call if you or someone you know has been sexually assaulted.
When hughie was being tickled and farting on a cake, I found it uncomfortable but funny. They did slap his his ass (which is SA), but if Hughie was pegged or something, that would take it more seriously. This scene was somewhere in the middle for me since people are turned on by weird shit like this.
I just can’t help but think of the double standard here. If this had been a female character in the same situation as Hughie (such as Starlight or Kimiko) the entire scene would have not been played for laughs at all and there would have definitely been barely any nudity shown.
But because it’s a male character the writers think it’s ok to have him used in a gratuitous sex slave gag for the entire episode and play off all the effects this would surely have on his psyche in an unserious way. The Boys needs to do better.
It's like you completely ignored the video
@@Brandonweifu I watched the video and listened to it. I just don’t agree with it. Imo it is impossible to deny that they played off what happened to Hughie in the sex dungeon in an unserious way which is very wrong.
@@jameslough6329 they did address both.its literally the first words out of his louth to starlight.....
What's wrong with you?...
@@Brandonweifu That’s literally his ONLY line about it to Starlight and even then, they still play it in an unserious way and don’t take it seriously.
The line to Starlight about the dungeon is just meant to be another gag about the absurd things Ashley did to him rather than him actually dealing with the trauma of what happened. They never take it seriously
@jameslough6329 it's meant to be taken seriously.everything that happened to him finally sinks in
You are seeing that scene the way YOU want to see it,not for how it actually is
Stop arguing in bad faith
It gets worse. Nothing controversial, but iykyk.
Totally agree with you. I was terrified for Hughie the whole time. Especially when TekKnight decided to give him a new hole. While it was kinda funny watching Hughie trying to fake his way through before getting caught, it was more of an awkward/scared funny.
Also, I felt skeeved out for Zendaya when they threw her name out. I get the why, Spider-Man reference. But still, eww.
Why is everyone so picky about the ending?, it was for the mere purpose of adding tension/terror, same as in many other movies/games.
Even at the end Starlight has to comfort Hughie now that he's been scarred for life, showing that it was no joke, he WAS in danger.
Not defending, I don’t think it should have been treated like a joke, but I think that they did because the part that was meant to be funny wasn’t him simply being assaulted, he was pretending to be another person so the situation was an unfortunate “not malicious” set of events, the “infiltrated spy has to deal with the strange stuff that happens on the place he is hidden in” trope, being that when he was found out the next scene where the guy was going to intentionally assault him was treated way more seriously, presenting it as horror.
I personally didn’t find it funny at all but I can see that part where he is pretending has the objective to have very strong dark humor (like, the cake fart was played for laughs)
Eric kripke literally said he would never put a woman in that place and thought the whole scene was hilarious, so yes it was treated like a joke
When they try to stick to the comics like in this episode, it drives people away. It's incredible how messed up that trash comic was
Garth Ennis just puts in as much shock and gore as he can to make his work look edgy.
Stick to the comics? THEY DIDN'T DO THAT THIS EPISODE! Tek Knight in the comics was an actual hero with a serious brain tumor problem that made him do terrible things, he kicked out his side kick to save him from the monster he was becoming and later redeem himself by sacrificing himself to attempt to stop Homelander.
Here in the show Tek Knight is just a narcissist racist creep with a huge obsession with holes who has nothing else to his character other then being another fucked up hero.
@@Android-Twenty-Onethe comic thing about Tek Knight they kept was him banging stuff, but super disappointed they went this route with Tek Knight.
This was actually entirely on kripke in the comics tek knight was a decent person who just had that weird hole fixation kripke is the one that made him into this
Its impossible to watch this show while eating
The difference- up until the very end, Tek Knight actually thought that the whole thing was consensual.
Thats what im sayin! I would understand everyones logic if he knew it was hughie the whole time but he didn't. Hughie was in the wrong place wrong time.
These guys have never heard of Gege from jjk
The creators are drawn more and more into a dark , controversial path while making these series....
i hope they end it after season 4 , before things grow darker.....
I’ll say this :
I think the only reason the execution on making it a serious and traumatic event for Hughie didn’t land the best it could is because the societal norm is to laugh at male sexual assault or at the very least, to not take it seriously. I wouldn’t even say that the show executes Annie’s SA any more seriously. The fact that Hughie is a nice wholesome guy and that the premise of the dungeon is absolutely bonkers and out there is probably a huge contributor to the tone coming off as more comical regardless of the intent of the show.
I think the episode does indeed succeed in making us feel uncomfortable but in the end I kind of felt that, due to whatever reasons whether it be the audience’s preconceived notions about SA discrimination or the show’s lack of a proper execution, they kind of brush over the residual trauma left over. We get one scene at the end where starlight actually bothers to ask what happened down there when they took 20 minutes to get to him because Kimiko was fucking around with books that had way too convenient titles.
I like the episode but I think it would have been much better to either play up the “men can’t get raped” stereotype (which is a very fcked up way of thinking) and play out Hughie trying to act all tough and “fine” OR give us a longer scene between Annie and Hughie reconciling. Overall though I like the idea they were going for.
The Boys did something controversial??!!? No way! It's definitely not for everyone. The whole show has been like this, but there will always be people who get triggered. The show is constantly mocking how insane the world really is.
i think that what he meant was that the situation is funny (aka, hughie going in trying to lure tek knight to the boys, only to end up in a sex dungeon unable to get out without breaking his cover, and him trying to guess the safe word whilst disguising it as horny screaming). At the end of the day, unlike starlight who was purposefully SA'd by the deep knowing she didn't want to, up until the point where tek knight finds out who hughie is they are under the impression that they are dealing with a very willing Web Weaver. Whilst it is still technically SA, it isn't the same kind of SA that starlight went through.
Admittedly, if Kimiko hadn't dropkicked Tek Knight it would have been way worse than what Starlight did, and of course Hughie knowing what would have happened to him had nobody shown up is still very messed up, and they do show that it messed him up. When Tek Knight finds out Hughie was Web Weaver, there are no longer any jokes, and it plays more like a psychological horror scene than a comedy scene. Yes, perhaps Tek Knight's dialogue makes you laugh, but that is part of the horror. A character having funny dialogue as they are about to torture someone.
easily the worst episode of the boys like i dont understand why they add this scene like huh
I read the article and tbh I think it’s a major over reaction, i mean the situation he put himself in had comedic tones but for the most part I didn’t see really anything funny, hughies actor was in genuine fear and discomfort almost the whole episode till he eventually had his breakdown. Felt very real and very dark made me feel gross watching it. That’s what there going for
I have a strong feeling people don’t watch the episode… like wasn’t he just tickled or did I miss something? Like I know what she SAID she was gonna do but his pants were up in the next scene sooooo? Idk man it was just regular uncomfortable goofy ish that this show usually does.
loved this professor edge :D
Just y'all wait until the future seasons of Invincible.....
It was meant to be a little funny at the beginning then it got serious after Tek knight took the mask off
This Episode would have never happened if the genders were reversed.
if they pull back cause yall complained ill be pissed
Hughie over exaggerated. Hopefully it was a gag because no way he breaks down from that 💀
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Would the audience prefer Tek Knight pull a "Black Noir" and give Hughie a big thumbs up?
I really wish I hadn’t watched this episode, it was upsetting.
ZENDEYA
yeah just proves that the idea of it being satirical on the form of south park is false
I feel like both Hughie and Butcher have been sidelined this season, similar to Mike, Will and Jonathan being sidelined in the latest season of Stranger Things. Just building up to the storyline in the final season.
Nah dude if anything Butcher and Hughie have been the focal point of this season - Butcher being more absent in episode 6 but still divulging into his moral dilemma about how to handle the virus, and Hughie going through a huge arc about his moral dilemma with his dad. Hughie was sidelined a lot more in season 2 though, as were the other boys in general.
Nah hughie took up like a third of every episode with his dad. On the other hand butcher has been kind of sidelined.
Butcher's storyline is the one think they're doing right. Hughie should've been sidelined. They're focusing on him way too much.
Or they should've given him something else to work with. Him stopping Annie from confronting Atrain in front to his family was good. The ep with Hugh Sr was good too but the show could still go on without it
Shit felt like a filler honestly
What makes it feel worse is how poorly constructed the scenes leading upto and out of it were. That definitely makes the dungeon scene seem gratuitous and makes the sexual harrassment and abuse against Hughie feel like it was forced in there just for the laughs.
Whenevr I say the writing this season is bad I get criticised and ridiculed for being a Trump supporter but I'm not even American and couldn't care less about your Domestic politics.
Um.... I wasn't laughing when he almost had 3 holes cut into him. The SITUATION is hilarious. Seeing a heroine addicted BDSM spiderman trying to be BATMANS sidekick is hilarious to me. Seeing Batman, but his wealth comes from being the founder of the slave trade is absolutely WHAT THE FUCK! These scenes are funny situationally, but seeing Ashley do what she was doing while he struggled to find the safe word only added tension in my eyes cause I thought he would've been has the second he said tarantula. I look at it as they treat it more as a "joke" because they didnt GET to go that far with Hughie. They touched him, sure, but they didnt fuck him or TOUCH him touch him. It was tickling and biting with horrible words. The REAL joke was Zendaya being spooderman's safe word. It literally SAVED the scene for me cause i high key panicked watching him almost get cut into
This moments should make people REGRET what they said about the comics.
Nah comics are STILL way worse.dont go there dude
People to fuking sensitive, that shit was funny.
Well. I for one found is hilarious.
Why can’t there be a line we shouldn’t cross anymore lol?? it’s just too degenerate for me and I don’t find those scenes entertaining. Idk just me.
I was laughing my ass off when i saw that
Was this episode important for the plot?
Only like three points.
@@uzidouble very much yes
Aye
nope
Please elaborate 🤔
Smh...
It wasn't funny... I couldn't watch the episode because of that. I was too flabbergasted by what was happening.
The difference is that Hughie never got 🍇’d. Sure the scene is gratuitous, but when’s the last time you have heard from a dude sneaking in a BDSM lair. Annie’s situation was a demonstration of work place harassment, you know something that does happen in real life.
Brother its time for you to get a real job
Honestly just tired of all the edgy sexual shit.
Yeah I’m down with this show
People are constantly throwing the term SA lightly, this was torture, not SA.
He was about to get SA'ed but was saved by kimiko
they're not mutually exclusive, it's both
@@mrosskne nah, he didn't touch his private parts, only feet
You can be sexually assaulted without your genitals being touched
@@mrosskne they didn't touch his private parts, just his feet. I wouldn't count that as SA.
@@alatus_knightjust because it's kinky doesnt mean it isnt sa
People just love to complain. Sheep
Yes you are
Idk i liked the show for its potential but i got bored of it trying to purposely be out of pocket and expect people to laugh. Making uncomfortable scenes like this have nothing to really add to the show as a whole. If it was meant to be funny then i guess it worked for some people but its just a bunch of woke shit to me that certain people get off to i guess.
Being purposely offensive and expect people to laugh is just cringe af
It's the boys.....
@@Brandonweifu was but now it's The Cringe.....
@@Deezzy2 it's always been cringe.you are just whining now cause you have an agenda
@@Brandonweifu what
@@Brandonweifu how about this before you speak to me like I'm one of those braindead liberals or those far right cucks. Could you break down what your definition of an "Agenda" is? Or is this your way you cope when someone doesn't worship your views?