Bandai Namco's very reputation will basically be tested by this game in the eyes of the community. If this game fails, people will absolutely lose faith in Bandai Namco in the same magnitude as people once did and some still do for EA. We can already see the massive pressure that the internet is pushing on this game to be the best game in the entire series of Budokai Tenkaichi and all we have so far is a pretty trailer, one tease and the whole community's undivided attention is now on this game. From what I've already seen, if the game doesn't have all of the previous roster and the characters from Super then in the eyes of the fans the game will be an automatic failure. However with the blind fans, putting their faith in the game and vowing to put in preorders as soon as possible, the game will already be a profit for Bandai Namco no matter what happens.
I think bandai will survive regardless, hell even your example EA survived. But I do sincerely hope they didn't just announce this shit for the money and are actually putting love and care into it.
Namco Bandai will be just fine lol. If this game flops then Xenoverse 3 will save them. Im actually waaay more hype for Xenoverse 3 then Budokai Tenkaichi because of the support Xenoverse 2. I hope Budokai Tenkaichi 4 has Character creator honestly
One detail I love in bt3 is that the white haired ssj4 Gogeta skin is most likely a reference to ssj5 from db AF. So they even referenced fan made stuff.
@@sillyfella2009 He doesn't have full control. Toriyama is calls the shots in Super. Imo DBAF was a much more interesting story. Gokus long lost son Xecor and his design was awesome. And SSJ5 was pretty awesome too.
@@ceoChief09 atleast SSJ5 had a unique and badass design. SSJG looks like a stronger Kaioken and SSJB looks like what would happen if Mr. Freeze made a powerup
Oh it’s fasho gonna be dlc but don’t freight I don’t think all of it will be paid > sure we may have to wait but I believe some characters from the previous titles will just be free updates hopefully if we HAVE to pay it’s only for new dragon ball content
Not counting Transformation and stuff like Goku (mid) I guess 50 chars as base game, plus movies, gt and og dragon ball as dlc who bring a total of 25 to 30 extra chars
My main worry is that, in order to give the game a more balanced roster with more complex mechanics, the number of characters will be greatly reduced. Tenkaichi 3 is a very "quantity over quality" game, the simplicity of the mechanics and the fact a lot of characters are copied or barely usable don't matter because of the sheer amount of things you can do. You can spend hours just making out battle scenarios for fun.
I definitely wouldn't expect any content from the manga though. It'd be harder to translate their moves without them being animated, and manga only characters like Moro and Granolah don't have voices yet.
yeah I mostly agree with this and honestly I'm kinda torn on which I think would be better. Most of my time on this game will definitely be online so I'd like to see that balanced but it would be cool to see all of the flavor of the old DB games come back for sure.
@@matti.8465 yeah, maybe it's a reach but seeing blue goku on Namek to me was kind've a teaser for that but maybe im reading too much into it. Wouldn't be the first time a DB game got characters/voices/etc. before it was animated though iirc. I suppose there's also a chance they go the Dragon Ball Heroes/OC route with something like Android 21 being the driving force behind the story instead of canon Super material, either way they have a lot of content to adapt and a lot of potential roster choices if they just wanna go DBZ > DBS (maybe even some dragon ball or gt as well)
@@matti.8465 I get that, but if Jojo all Star battle could include characters from parts 3-8 YEARS/DECADES before their anime adaptations, then this game has no excuse
I definitely feel like they could make voices for the manga characters. If a mobile game like Bleach Brave Souls could cast good voices for thousand year blood war characters, some even having the same voice in the New anime adaptation, like Ywach, a game as massive as BT4 should have almost no excuse. I do admit though that it could be a bit hard.
I expect 120 characters at least at launch. Yes, there will be dlc. But I try to think logically. Z movies can be dlc. But nobody will really be excited for characters like Guldo, Raditz, Nappa and Dabura as dlc.
120 base or with transformations? and yeah you're right about the dlc strategy, I think for sure GT will likely end up there as marketing wise they have big names (ssj4, gogeta, uub, shenron, baby) but it would be hard to fit them into the base roster
ninja storm 4 from 2015 had up to 100 characters (No DLC), i don't see why they'd have to drop out characters for something like "Budokai Tenkaichi" thats majorly reputable for its roster size, characters do not need to be the things that are DLCs. They could have DLCs for stuff like BT 123 original soundtracks, DBS continuation season pass, currency (high Zeni), unique customization items (Z-items), costume bundles like DBS baseball bundle, DBS ranger bundle (for characters that wore them), ...
Storm 4 was more of a sequel technologically than this BT4 game will be (unless they do something crazy like use the db kakarot engine) since it came out only 2 years after revolution. So gotta take that into account in terms of total development work to achieve those 100 characters, I don't think you're wrong though they could go all out with putting in a bunch of characters and there's tons of other options for DLC but knowing bandai i'm not sure I believe that they will.
I'm not concerned about the player roster. I know they will take care of that. What Im most concerned about is, like u mentioned, all the small stuff and the extreme attention to detail
If they can’t have everyone from the previous game plus new characters up until the TOP arc….then we don’t need a Tenkaichi 4!!! That’s how I feel about the whole situation
lmao I feel u but u gotta realize though that they basically have to start from scratch on all of those characters. the trailer did look a bit like db kakarot so maybe they can pull some assets from that game but this is not a true sequel to BT3 the way storm 4 was to rev for example
Your expectations are way too unrealistic. Patience my friend, the game won’t launch with the same amount of characters but it will eventually most likely surpass it.
@@brianjensen3576thats not unrealistic at all our standards are just soo low nowadays becuz game developers found out they release in finished games and people will still buy it
@@bigt100 you have no idea how game development goes do you. They have to build all new assets for this game. Games are far more detailed these days and this in turn makes development take longer. If we were to expect the same amount of characters on release then this game would at least need 4-5 years of development time. It’s not about games being “unfinished”. It’s about quality this day and age. I’d rather have 90 unique characters rather than reskins of the same character.
I don’t get what you mean by cooler , janmeba , dabreu and etc not being impactful they just gotta bring the characters back similar what they do with dragon ball figterz and legends
Honestly you have to expect Some of these things to def be in the game the rest you just have to pray that them showing the previous titles in the trailer is a sign they KNOW we want everything from the previous games
I love that you went through the Easter eggs So many cool things about the game and so many things fans remember loving It's going to be hard to live up to the expectation but it'll be interesting seeing what they can do now
Basically, prepare for disappointment. Nothing touches PS2’s BT3. That game set such a high bar for the gaming franchise of DBZ. It’ll never be mimicked properly. Kiss all detail goodbye and you can safely bet you’ll get just a handful of characters as usual. You guys seem to forget that every game is online now. Seeing special games like BT3 don’t exist anymore. Now it’s all about doing the bare minimum. That’s all it’s ever been. & That’s all it’ll continue to be. They don’t need to take pride like back in the PS2 days.
I will be happy with the character roster being between 60 and 80 (without transformations) and my greatest wish is the customization options of the characters to be like the one present in super dragon ball z .(that would give more flavor to the characters in my opinion)
The roster has to be insanely good as Budokai Tenkaichi 3, and I really do hope they'll let us be able to pick the different forms we would like to fight with for a lot of the characters. It's something that FighterZ doesn't really have all to much of that disappointed me, and I really hope they look at the third game and draw the inspiration from that game. Going back to the roster though, it has the potential to be super massive. Characters from Dragon Ball, Z, GT, Super, and possibly even manga characters as well. We'll have the ability to unlock a good chunk through the story mode, and then they'll make the others DLC because that's the norm these days.
The game will be massive. Just by looking at how they supported Xenoverse for so many years. They really don’t have any options here. While I don’t think we’re getting anywhere close to the amount of characters that 3 had. I do think we’ll have a sizable chunk on release. I’d say around 90 characters at start is being fair.
@@brianjensen3576 It's definitely gotta have a good amount of characters for the base roster, and the player base is gonna be really dedicated to the game. I just wonder if the game will be able to be considered good enough for the competitive scene, as in would it be considered good enough for EVO?
@@bigt100 As in when selecting your character that you want to play, it has all the other different forms you can choose from if you want to use one of them. That's what I loved about the third game, and was disappointed that FighterZ doesn't really have much of that to offer.
@@officerzack1108 Honestly I really don’t want this to be a competitive game tbh. BT3 had little to no balance and honestly that’s what made it so fun. The Tenkaichi series is less a fighting game and more just a dragon ball simulator. I just want that scale of battle that the original trilogy had. But if we constantly worry about balance off rip the gameplay is gonna suffer because of it.
That's one thing I'm worried about. Please don't seperate characters based on Era. That was the one thing i never like in any game. If anything, do what raging blast did and let us choose moves for that transformation. I liked that a lot. They had moves for that transformation from all eras. You got to choose which move you liked. U think that'll be best. They should add characters from other games. 5 come to mind. Android 21, Shalot, Giblet, Shallet, and Ozotto.
Damn you just made me rethink my expectations for this game, and realistically speaking I think they’ll fumble this especially how all games are now a days hopefully they don’t please don’t
I hope two things: - Large roaster, I really love quantity over quality, the BT3 combat system was simple but effective, and I think that many characters can be tweaked to be similar (Burter like Dyspo for example). I think that Bandai can learn a lot from BT3 modders in this case - Huge personalization: Make the game be built by che community if you can't put so much effort in designing a 200+ roaster. Make your character moveset to be customized, so for example I can have my Goku with Kaioken Attack and Kamehameha, but you may prefer a Goku with Meteor Attack and a Super Explosion Wave... Make small adjustements to the same techniques. I can have a Kamehameha that consume 1 bar of Ki but makes less damage or a Super Kamehameha that deals more damage but uses more Ki, or perhaps a fixed Kamehameha who deal fixed damage and consume a fixed amount of Ki or a charged one that work differently. I mean, I think that there are ways to create a wonderful game with some tricks. They implemented different ways to customize in the past (Budokai, Xenoverse, Kakarot, etc..). I really want that they can keep an eye in this direction, I know the aspect of a competitive environment but BT3 meant also fun, creating scenarios with potaras and secondary characters, and Imagine to have an editor to do that.
As someone who's a diehard DBZ fan and played all the DBZ games as a kid, the budokai tenkaichi series was handsdown my all time favorite games to play. It was genuinely interactive and insanely fun with badass music to choose from in the background. The dragonball franchise has went downhill over the years and everything feels like a cashgrab now. DBFZ and kakarot (which I hardly even play now) were the latest games that is very popular but most of my favorite characters are DLC and that is one that worries me heavy. I do not want to pay for Z broly as a DLC because he should already be included! If BT1/2/3 are still popular to this day, developers and the entire board have to get it through their heads that they don't have to change SHIT but copy and improve the mechanics,roster,design, and maps. IDGAF about 5k quality pretty graphics with a 50203320 GB download and DLCS. The mod community thankfully are saviors against big corporation companies that drain the fanbase pockets. If money wasn't an issue, I wouldn't mind but with inflation happening now, it makes it harder to enjoy gaming. I feel like this might be a flop but everyone is crossing their fingers on this and cheering for the underdogs.
I think part of why the roster was so great was it had the different eras of character. Like goku ( mid era ) super saiyan was fucking peak. It just had all the small details and love that made it perfect
With so many characters and transformations in super. I'm worried is the little characters like Grandpa Gohan, Yajirobe and Mercenary Tao going to the chopping block. Even Appule and Frieza Soldier #2 are good handicap characters. You know to give to that one friend that wins every match. It will surprise me greatly if they decide to go even beyond tenkaichi 3 roster. Bring people like teen Chi-Chi.
Im not sure if CaCs would be a good idea. You can never play your favorite characters in multi-player because everyone plays their broken CaCs that kill you off of one stamina break.
The thing that makes these games stand out is attention to detail. Something that is missing in the game dev and software industry in general. These industries have generated a lot of money and as a result a lot of project management processes(bs like agile) have been implemented to make devs more 'efficient'. Not to mention more managers being crammed into projects to micro manage devs. This is partly why easter eggs are rare in newer games.... devs are pushed to get work done asap and anything they work on has to be approved by a project manager that usually doesn't give a shit about the franchise or games in general. Simply put, these days increasing profits with minimal work is more important than making a good enjoyable game with attention to detail. Something like original dbz games would only be possible in a crowd-funded indie studio. Not something aaa with greedy investors/higher ups who don't care about games.
5:58 teen gohan is it? Well, as the perfect being I shall have no competitors! Even if he isn’t in the game and it’s just two Z vegetas Perfect edit: And no gotenks, making 3 Z vegetas
My first reaction was very sad, the first thing that crossed my mind when I saw it was "DLC". Anyway I can't wait to pay 50€ extra to get 5 different gokus
Yeah that’s a good starting amount and the transformations and fusions should not count as characters as they should stay as one character instead of taking up a character slot like modern dragon ball games do.
If they continue with how many character they kept adding in every games. The roster well be one of the biggest roster ever. Especially if they add even more characters we never got or even thought of. Like young chi chi, devilman, and arale were a suprise to me when I unlocked them. Hope they keep this up.
They also need more great apes/ big transformations and to keep the same level of attention to detail otherwise its just going to be a raging blast 3 and not really a bt4
They should also add alot of different versions of characters with different moves and orders of transformations and even stuff from movies and gt even if those are sadly made dlc
Dragon ball fans would truly be happy if they made a giant roster like bt3 and a long story mode like bt2 only iy starts with dragon ball story mode unlockable and z unlockable and if u start with ball u get more items to equip to your characters in the story mode like how bt2 and tenkaichi tag team had it
the story mode should go from z to a choice or super or gt but super should br the main focus and having movie characters would be an amazing nostalgic bonus that wouldn’t be required but would be really marketable to older people who played the game
I really just reason with myself like this: "Did that shot of Goku look pretty as hell?" "Do I want the other characters to look as good as that?" "Do I want them to be able to redo attacking and transforming animations that make the previous entry look lesser in comparison?" If the answer to everything is "Yes", then bring me that small roster man.
@@VirtueUA-cam yes it is,are roll back works because it predicts all possible inputs and if lag causes the wrong input to be displayed, in a fraction of a seconded it rolls back to the correct outcome. Also, both players connect to the server instead of each other (client server network instead of peer-to-peer). But I’m an arena fighter there are wayyyy too many possible outcomes for your next input because it’s 3d
@@TripleSlashAnime there are literally 3d games that exist with rollback already, and often times the complexity of arena fighters is much less than traditional fighters in terms of the variations that can happen.
I doubt manga stuff is going to be in this game if they are it’s gonna be dlc cause of how hyped it just don’t make sense to add them from the start from a business standpoint
I think vegeta's form (and frieza's) have good marketing pull and if the majority of the story mode takes place in super it makes some sense to include the 2 manga arcs. But this take is respectable too
@@VirtueUA-cam that is true also I can agree with that we just gonna have to see I’m Hoping the list you put is gonna be on the game that would be the best
I'm actually on the same page as you, I do actually expect the roster to be small... and then, old characters get sold to us in dlc. For example, a 'dragonball pass' to play as kid goku, tao, roshi(or they might just take super roshi), arale maybe, Nam maybe, devilman maybe, ect. or the gt pass. then if this game does well they'll make bt5 which has all those chars and add more and more, similar to how they did it with budokai tenkaichi where they just ported stuff over and added new characters. Either way this game will disappoint a lot of people for sure myself included as I really like the old dragonball characters and designs and stuff, but it'll be a new good start. Probably. Not excited to pay for DLC i'll tell ya that much though.
You hit the nail on the head with the DLC packs, I'm a huge Gundam fan but the amount of DLC packs they always make for a gundam game and the price is staggering, look at Gundam VS to get the whole roster in it, it took over 200$ to get it, why I switched to Gundam Extreme VS Maxi Boost ON because it had a bigger base roster without the huge DLC cost.
Super is popular right now so if you're only having 60 characters you're going to be losing characters from the older rosters, like Hercule or Mecha Frieza.
I think they might condense the roster by making transformation apart of the characters instead if them being considered there own character on the roster spot like how raging blast 2 and xenoverse
I completely and 100% agree with you. Bandai's absolute vice grip on the devs will undoubtedly hurt the game, a lot like Xenoverse 2. Their greedy business practices are a major concern for me too.
Blue Goku on Namek in the trailer might be a hint at them running some of the manga arcs, but also it wouldn't be uncommon at least for games like these to draw inspiration from stuff that hasn't been animated yet I wouldn't be surprised either way though
I just hope the are able to recapture the feeling of the games with updates to the graphics and slight updates to the mechanics. I really hope they don’t mess up the gameplay and dumb it down or make it unrecognizable
lowkey i just want that bt2 character unlocking system where you would fuse some potara earrings and get a character ex “ friezas brother + Big ghetti star” And boom you unlock metal cooler
Really good video for a small channel like this i really enjoy your video and looking forward to see more of your video's butaround minute 6 you put a few times a vegeta in counting other fighters up. Much love 🤟 lets get hyped about the game
Honestly I'm scared that they'll do what do many companies have been doing and just slapping a nastolgic name on something that clearly isn't anything like what the name calls back to like with the Ford mach-e or when mtg released battle for bladurs gate. They could've stopped at those names but they had to slap the mustang nameplate on the mach-e and commander legends on the end set
When it comes to rollback it actually makes sense why the wait is so long from the announcement for fighterz. A dev, not a dragonball dev mind you but for a completely different company once explained to me that rollback is something that your game should be designed for from the start. Doing it later makes the process much harder because you have to go back and change the code for every little thing in order to properly implement it. Everything from projectiles, to a punch, to the exact distance a character moves when throw them. So for Tenkaichi 4 to have rollback in needs to have been a decided factor since development started, unless they delay the game just for that.
Yeah this is true, but games like Guilty Gear Strive (same developer) started with delay based with no intention of going rollback (beta 1) and had a full rollback system before release! Also, they have ported many of their old (independent) games to rollback successfully including xrd rev 2, +r, BlazBlue crosstag and central fiction. If there's any company that has experience doing this it's ASW, and for some reason DBFZ has been under a HUGE holdup. So I don't doubt there's work to be done but I'm not buying the excuse of that's the sole reason why it's taken so long.
@@VirtueUA-cam True, but without being there we can only guess as to what's different from FighterZ and all those other games. Maybe it's something as simple as team size. Strive would have been their top priority at the time as it was a new game from their own studio. I can easily see the majority of the devs on that front. Dragonball on the other hand is already "complete", so it could have a smaller team doing rollback while the main force is working on the next big project for the company, which would also mean the coders are busy doing rollback for 2 separate titles at once.
@@5h0ckblock true it's all conjecture, better examples would be Bandai's arena fighter titles anyways. We'll just have to wait and see we don't even know who's developing it yet lol (most likely dimps/cc2) doubt they're bringing back Spike.
Every rush attack and combo moves are from actual animation fight scenes on the shows that's why I super Saiyan 2 Gohan fights so Crisp or demon King piccolo, but characters like majuub combos our crappy cuz they took mostly use the footage of him when he fought super Android#17
I think I'm more worried about how they're going to make the gameplay feel. I haven't played a bt game and the closest thing I've played is shin budokai 2. Whether or not that's close enough to have an opinion, they either have to drastically change the gameplay, or try to make it feel like a budokai game while modernising it. That ain't easy to do with xv2 running about
Devils Advocate - in order to make this one to build on the past games it would probably start from the beginning of Z like the others and come to current day while including as many as it can along the way. But anything beyond Battle of the Gods requiring a battle pass to continue collecting characters and transformations. Or base show from dragon ball to current with movie transformations and characters requiring battle pass.
The world has changed so much since then. You used to be able to buy a game, and every bit of content the developers could stick in there would be in the game. These days, games are made with the intent of being incomplete initially essentially. Sadly, even when it comes out, the roster won't be final probably for a while. My hope is that it makes Tenkaichi 3 obsolete, but considering the nature of modern games, I think it's sad to say this could end up as Raging Blast with Super elements.
You are completely right. Everything you said is the reason of decline of modern games. The best case scenario is BT3 with current graphics with Super characters, with no DLC or at least minimal amount of DLC, but as you put it, this possiblity is very thin.
man we gonna have to have a huge base roster but we still got to have shit tons of room with dlc just like with xeno it cant be any other way than that in this current game world
The furthest this game may go is even the Broly movie maybe JUST MAYBE they'll do Cellmax and Gohan beast as dlc. Personally I would be good with the game ending at the TOP
I wish they would do a roster like that but I highly doubt they would use manga characters or transformations on a game before they’re seen in the anime
Actually Namco didn't publish Demon Slayer, Sega did. That and Jojos not having rollback is usually attributed to the developer, CyberConnect2. Xenoverse does have rollback, it's just bad.
ah my mistake on demon slayer then, CC2 did make dbz kakarot which means they might do tenkaichi 4 but that's all speculation until we know who the developer is. Xeno afaik does not have rollback netcode but doing a quick search i can't find any info on it. I think the point with bandai games frequently having bad QOL online still stands though.
If the go to TOP in super they absolutely would have to have about 120-130 characters if you consider transformations as characters. Unless they cut GT and parts or Z.
I think ive only played ultimate tenkaichi for the 360, and I was about nine when it came out but I really enjoyed it, I'd be satisfied with a roster of like 15-30 characters, i've never really mained more then 1-2 ppl in a fighting game so that'd be enough
Ain’t no roster complete without Yajirobe.
damn right, but it's characters like him that I worry might be on the chopping block :o
I think you mean Frieza Soldier
Trippin, I could name a gazillion other characters I'd rather have over him
@@ssjdon Crazy how Yajirobe solos every character you can think of
He cut vegeta tail off bruh that man got nuts he must be playable
Bandai Namco's very reputation will basically be tested by this game in the eyes of the community. If this game fails, people will absolutely lose faith in Bandai Namco in the same magnitude as people once did and some still do for EA. We can already see the massive pressure that the internet is pushing on this game to be the best game in the entire series of Budokai Tenkaichi and all we have so far is a pretty trailer, one tease and the whole community's undivided attention is now on this game. From what I've already seen, if the game doesn't have all of the previous roster and the characters from Super then in the eyes of the fans the game will be an automatic failure. However with the blind fans, putting their faith in the game and vowing to put in preorders as soon as possible, the game will already be a profit for Bandai Namco no matter what happens.
I think bandai will survive regardless, hell even your example EA survived. But I do sincerely hope they didn't just announce this shit for the money and are actually putting love and care into it.
@@VirtueUA-cam EA survived sure, but itll likely never be huge again
Namco Bandai will be just fine lol. If this game flops then Xenoverse 3 will save them. Im actually waaay more hype for Xenoverse 3 then Budokai Tenkaichi because of the support Xenoverse 2. I hope Budokai Tenkaichi 4 has Character creator honestly
@@LegendaryVizard93 more like xenoverse threeceased
@@LegendaryVizard93 Bruh how can you be hyped for a game that is only made for money. There's no love in xenoverse
One detail I love in bt3 is that the white haired ssj4 Gogeta skin is most likely a reference to ssj5 from db AF. So they even referenced fan made stuff.
That's because DBAF and SSJ5 wasn't created by just any random fan. It was created by the guy that draws DB Super.
@@ceoChief09 he was a random fan at the time of bt3's release though, he didn't start drawing super until nearly a decade after it released
@@ceoChief09 so thats why Super's power scaling is ass. Its literally fan fiction
@@sillyfella2009 He doesn't have full control. Toriyama is calls the shots in Super. Imo DBAF was a much more interesting story. Gokus long lost son Xecor and his design was awesome. And SSJ5 was pretty awesome too.
@@ceoChief09 atleast SSJ5 had a unique and badass design. SSJG looks like a stronger Kaioken and SSJB looks like what would happen if Mr. Freeze made a powerup
Main fear is they're gonna have most of the characters be dlc
Yea OMG !!! BROO IMMA BE SOO MAD IF WE GOT DLC'S OR GOTTA PAY FOR CHARACTERS!!
Oh it’s fasho gonna be dlc but don’t freight I don’t think all of it will be paid > sure we may have to wait but I believe some characters from the previous titles will just be free updates hopefully if we HAVE to pay it’s only for new dragon ball content
@@bigt100 you acting like xenoverse 2 or fighters didn't do the same thing come on man but I hope there is 90 max characters
@@Jokuthesaiyangod i didn't like xeno verse or fighters like at all
Not counting Transformation and stuff like Goku (mid) I guess 50 chars as base game, plus movies, gt and og dragon ball as dlc who bring a total of 25 to 30 extra chars
My main worry is that, in order to give the game a more balanced roster with more complex mechanics, the number of characters will be greatly reduced.
Tenkaichi 3 is a very "quantity over quality" game, the simplicity of the mechanics and the fact a lot of characters are copied or barely usable don't matter because of the sheer amount of things you can do. You can spend hours just making out battle scenarios for fun.
I definitely wouldn't expect any content from the manga though. It'd be harder to translate their moves without them being animated, and manga only characters like Moro and Granolah don't have voices yet.
yeah I mostly agree with this and honestly I'm kinda torn on which I think would be better. Most of my time on this game will definitely be online so I'd like to see that balanced but it would be cool to see all of the flavor of the old DB games come back for sure.
@@matti.8465 yeah, maybe it's a reach but seeing blue goku on Namek to me was kind've a teaser for that but maybe im reading too much into it. Wouldn't be the first time a DB game got characters/voices/etc. before it was animated though iirc. I suppose there's also a chance they go the Dragon Ball Heroes/OC route with something like Android 21 being the driving force behind the story instead of canon Super material, either way they have a lot of content to adapt and a lot of potential roster choices if they just wanna go DBZ > DBS (maybe even some dragon ball or gt as well)
@@matti.8465 I get that, but if Jojo all Star battle could include characters from parts 3-8 YEARS/DECADES before their anime adaptations, then this game has no excuse
I definitely feel like they could make voices for the manga characters. If a mobile game like Bleach Brave Souls could cast good voices for thousand year blood war characters, some even having the same voice in the New anime adaptation, like Ywach, a game as massive as BT4 should have almost no excuse. I do admit though that it could be a bit hard.
5:56 how u doin their teen goh... oh hi vegeta, look gote... vegeta your not zoro wtf are u doing
I expect 120 characters at least at launch. Yes, there will be dlc. But I try to think logically. Z movies can be dlc. But nobody will really be excited for characters like Guldo, Raditz, Nappa and Dabura as dlc.
You are very wrong then. Expect 80. Thats still a good number, AND its more resonable.
120 base or with transformations? and yeah you're right about the dlc strategy, I think for sure GT will likely end up there as marketing wise they have big names (ssj4, gogeta, uub, shenron, baby) but it would be hard to fit them into the base roster
@@VirtueUA-cam with transformations. With fusions and transformations, using the main saiyans will build the roster easily
ninja storm 4 from 2015 had up to 100 characters (No DLC), i don't see why they'd have to drop out characters for something like "Budokai Tenkaichi" thats majorly reputable for its roster size, characters do not need to be the things that are DLCs.
They could have DLCs for stuff like BT 123 original soundtracks, DBS continuation season pass, currency (high Zeni), unique customization items (Z-items), costume bundles like DBS baseball bundle, DBS ranger bundle (for characters that wore them), ...
Storm 4 was more of a sequel technologically than this BT4 game will be (unless they do something crazy like use the db kakarot engine) since it came out only 2 years after revolution. So gotta take that into account in terms of total development work to achieve those 100 characters, I don't think you're wrong though they could go all out with putting in a bunch of characters and there's tons of other options for DLC but knowing bandai i'm not sure I believe that they will.
Even if it doesn’t live up to expectations people will carry it to expectations
I HIGHLY doubt they will do any manga content until it gets animated because most of the moves used in the games are from the anime
I'm not concerned about the player roster. I know they will take care of that. What Im most concerned about is, like u mentioned, all the small stuff and the extreme attention to detail
yep, those are my biggest concerns as well but ik the roster means a lot to a lot of people so I had to mention it
@@VirtueUA-cam in the age of “season pass sells all” I’ll just tell you flat out, hell no. We are going to get an incomplete game with a season pass
@@VirtueUA-cam or even worse, An incomplete game with a season pass with an incomplete roster you need to pay for in DLC
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Hope they include allot of the, character from classic dragon ball, dbz, dbs, dbs:superhero, dbgt,character from db movie, and manga.
If they can’t have everyone from the previous game plus new characters up until the TOP arc….then we don’t need a Tenkaichi 4!!! That’s how I feel about the whole situation
lmao I feel u but u gotta realize though that they basically have to start from scratch on all of those characters. the trailer did look a bit like db kakarot so maybe they can pull some assets from that game but this is not a true sequel to BT3 the way storm 4 was to rev for example
Your expectations are way too unrealistic. Patience my friend, the game won’t launch with the same amount of characters but it will eventually most likely surpass it.
ON GOS PREACH !!!! THEIRS NOO WAYY WITH ALL THIS ADVANCED TECH WE HAVE THAT THEY CANT PUT ALL THE CHARACTERS OM THEIR
@@brianjensen3576thats not unrealistic at all our standards are just soo low nowadays becuz game developers found out they release in finished games and people will still buy it
@@bigt100 you have no idea how game development goes do you. They have to build all new assets for this game. Games are far more detailed these days and this in turn makes development take longer. If we were to expect the same amount of characters on release then this game would at least need 4-5 years of development time. It’s not about games being “unfinished”. It’s about quality this day and age. I’d rather have 90 unique characters rather than reskins of the same character.
Peeped the battle music from the games in the background fye choice 😊
I don’t get what you mean by cooler , janmeba , dabreu and etc not being impactful they just gotta bring the characters back similar what they do with dragon ball figterz and legends
Honestly you have to expect Some of these things to def be in the game the rest you just have to pray that them showing the previous titles in the trailer is a sign they KNOW we want everything from the previous games
I love that you went through the Easter eggs
So many cool things about the game and so many things fans remember loving
It's going to be hard to live up to the expectation but it'll be interesting seeing what they can do now
Basically, prepare for disappointment. Nothing touches PS2’s BT3. That game set such a high bar for the gaming franchise of DBZ. It’ll never be mimicked properly. Kiss all detail goodbye and you can safely bet you’ll get just a handful of characters as usual. You guys seem to forget that every game is online now. Seeing special games like BT3 don’t exist anymore. Now it’s all about doing the bare minimum. That’s all it’s ever been. & That’s all it’ll continue to be. They don’t need to take pride like back in the PS2 days.
They need to have everybody from dragon ball to z to gt and super and dlc can be movie characters cause the best part of the last game was the roster
Ain’t no one gonna talk about how when bro mentioned Teen Gohan, Z vegeta popped up? 5:58
I will be happy with the character roster being between 60 and 80 (without transformations) and my greatest wish is the customization options of the characters to be like the one present in super dragon ball z .(that would give more flavor to the characters in my opinion)
The roster has to be insanely good as Budokai Tenkaichi 3, and I really do hope they'll let us be able to pick the different forms we would like to fight with for a lot of the characters. It's something that FighterZ doesn't really have all to much of that disappointed me, and I really hope they look at the third game and draw the inspiration from that game. Going back to the roster though, it has the potential to be super massive. Characters from Dragon Ball, Z, GT, Super, and possibly even manga characters as well. We'll have the ability to unlock a good chunk through the story mode, and then they'll make the others DLC because that's the norm these days.
The game will be massive. Just by looking at how they supported Xenoverse for so many years. They really don’t have any options here. While I don’t think we’re getting anywhere close to the amount of characters that 3 had. I do think we’ll have a sizable chunk on release. I’d say around 90 characters at start is being fair.
Wdym pick different forms?? Like start off already super saiyan and not have to transform into like it used to be?
@@brianjensen3576 It's definitely gotta have a good amount of characters for the base roster, and the player base is gonna be really dedicated to the game. I just wonder if the game will be able to be considered good enough for the competitive scene, as in would it be considered good enough for EVO?
@@bigt100 As in when selecting your character that you want to play, it has all the other different forms you can choose from if you want to use one of them. That's what I loved about the third game, and was disappointed that FighterZ doesn't really have much of that to offer.
@@officerzack1108 Honestly I really don’t want this to be a competitive game tbh. BT3 had little to no balance and honestly that’s what made it so fun. The Tenkaichi series is less a fighting game and more just a dragon ball simulator. I just want that scale of battle that the original trilogy had. But if we constantly worry about balance off rip the gameplay is gonna suffer because of it.
6:03 what's the background music?
Dragon Ball Z: Budōkai Tenkaichi 2 - "Lost Courage"
That's one thing I'm worried about. Please don't seperate characters based on Era. That was the one thing i never like in any game. If anything, do what raging blast did and let us choose moves for that transformation. I liked that a lot. They had moves for that transformation from all eras. You got to choose which move you liked. U think that'll be best.
They should add characters from other games. 5 come to mind. Android 21, Shalot, Giblet, Shallet, and Ozotto.
Damn you just made me rethink my expectations for this game, and realistically speaking I think they’ll fumble this especially how all games are now a days hopefully they don’t please don’t
I hope two things:
- Large roaster, I really love quantity over quality, the BT3 combat system was simple but effective, and I think that many characters can be tweaked to be similar (Burter like Dyspo for example). I think that Bandai can learn a lot from BT3 modders in this case
- Huge personalization: Make the game be built by che community if you can't put so much effort in designing a 200+ roaster.
Make your character moveset to be customized, so for example I can have my Goku with Kaioken Attack and Kamehameha, but you may prefer a Goku with Meteor Attack and a Super Explosion Wave... Make small adjustements to the same techniques. I can have a Kamehameha that consume 1 bar of Ki but makes less damage or a Super Kamehameha that deals more damage but uses more Ki, or perhaps a fixed Kamehameha who deal fixed damage and consume a fixed amount of Ki or a charged one that work differently.
I mean, I think that there are ways to create a wonderful game with some tricks. They implemented different ways to customize in the past (Budokai, Xenoverse, Kakarot, etc..).
I really want that they can keep an eye in this direction, I know the aspect of a competitive environment but BT3 meant also fun, creating scenarios with potaras and secondary characters, and Imagine to have an editor to do that.
As someone who's a diehard DBZ fan and played all the DBZ games as a kid, the budokai tenkaichi series was handsdown my all time favorite games to play. It was genuinely interactive and insanely fun with badass music to choose from in the background. The dragonball franchise has went downhill over the years and everything feels like a cashgrab now. DBFZ and kakarot (which I hardly even play now) were the latest games that is very popular but most of my favorite characters are DLC and that is one that worries me heavy. I do not want to pay for Z broly as a DLC because he should already be included! If BT1/2/3 are still popular to this day, developers and the entire board have to get it through their heads that they don't have to change SHIT but copy and improve the mechanics,roster,design, and maps. IDGAF about 5k quality pretty graphics with a 50203320 GB download and DLCS. The mod community thankfully are saviors against big corporation companies that drain the fanbase pockets. If money wasn't an issue, I wouldn't mind but with inflation happening now, it makes it harder to enjoy gaming. I feel like this might be a flop but everyone is crossing their fingers on this and cheering for the underdogs.
Good video . Good points made. I'm sure there will be dlc out the ass but I just hope we get a good game that is faithful to the series .
I think part of why the roster was so great was it had the different eras of character. Like goku ( mid era ) super saiyan was fucking peak. It just had all the small details and love that made it perfect
With so many characters and transformations in super. I'm worried is the little characters like Grandpa Gohan, Yajirobe and Mercenary Tao going to the chopping block. Even Appule and Frieza Soldier #2 are good handicap characters. You know to give to that one friend that wins every match. It will surprise me greatly if they decide to go even beyond tenkaichi 3 roster. Bring people like teen Chi-Chi.
Amazing choice of music
Im not sure if CaCs would be a good idea. You can never play your favorite characters in multi-player because everyone plays their broken CaCs that kill you off of one stamina break.
They wont do both.
Bro I’m not even gonna cap with you this roster looked fire Ian even finish the video cuz it looks like a tenkaichi game 🔥🔥👏👏
5:57 "Teen Gohan" while showing the image of Z Vegeta.. Im confuse😅
Teen Gohan and Gotenks is actually the same people all the time😱
The thing that makes these games stand out is attention to detail. Something that is missing in the game dev and software industry in general. These industries have generated a lot of money and as a result a lot of project management processes(bs like agile) have been implemented to make devs more 'efficient'. Not to mention more managers being crammed into projects to micro manage devs. This is partly why easter eggs are rare in newer games.... devs are pushed to get work done asap and anything they work on has to be approved by a project manager that usually doesn't give a shit about the franchise or games in general.
Simply put, these days increasing profits with minimal work is more important than making a good enjoyable game with attention to detail. Something like original dbz games would only be possible in a crowd-funded indie studio. Not something aaa with greedy investors/higher ups who don't care about games.
5:58 ah, teen gohan! just as i remembered him!
It doesn’t make sense to have Goku again when you can just give him all the forms
5:58 teen gohan is it? Well, as the perfect being I shall have no competitors! Even if he isn’t in the game and it’s just two Z vegetas
Perfect edit:
And no gotenks, making 3 Z vegetas
My first reaction was very sad, the first thing that crossed my mind when I saw it was "DLC".
Anyway I can't wait to pay 50€ extra to get 5 different gokus
As a huge dbz fan I'm not excited I'm not having my hopes up only to be disappointed
Same... Imma just expect DBZ BT3 with nicer graphics, that way I won´t be disappointed lol.
@@jjco665 I honestly think even that's a bit too much to expect😂 lol
Realistically I'd say 60 characters not counting transformations.
Yeah that’s a good starting amount and the transformations and fusions should not count as characters as they should stay as one character instead of taking up a character slot like modern dragon ball games do.
If they continue with how many character they kept adding in every games. The roster well be one of the biggest roster ever. Especially if they add even more characters we never got or even thought of. Like young chi chi, devilman, and arale were a suprise to me when I unlocked them. Hope they keep this up.
Honestly I would laugh if they even add DBE characters in this game for fun.
5:58
teen gohan learned to get drippy with it, from the prince of saiyans himself.
They also need more great apes/ big transformations and to keep the same level of attention to detail otherwise its just going to be a raging blast 3 and not really a bt4
They should also add alot of different versions of characters with different moves and orders of transformations and even stuff from movies and gt even if those are sadly made dlc
Dragon ball fans would truly be happy if they made a giant roster like bt3 and a long story mode like bt2 only iy starts with dragon ball story mode unlockable and z unlockable and if u start with ball u get more items to equip to your characters in the story mode like how bt2 and tenkaichi tag team had it
the story mode should go from z to a choice or super or gt but super should br the main focus and having movie characters would be an amazing nostalgic bonus that wouldn’t be required but would be really marketable to older people who played the game
This is litterly all we ask for fuck the graphics just make em slightly better then BT3 and we good
@@bigt100 ong they cant fuck that shit up
6:25 that's an assumption tho. you can't say that as a matter of fact unless you're a game developer working with them
It's gonna be all dlcs and online mode only
5:58 6:00 I didn't know that Vegeta was both teen Gohan and Gotenks
I really just reason with myself like this:
"Did that shot of Goku look pretty as hell?"
"Do I want the other characters to look as good as that?"
"Do I want them to be able to redo attacking and transforming animations that make the previous entry look lesser in comparison?"
If the answer to everything is "Yes", then bring me that small roster man.
You can’t put rollback in arena fighterz. It only works with 2d fighters.
this just aint true cuz
@@VirtueUA-cam yes it is,are roll back works because it predicts all possible inputs and if lag causes the wrong input to be displayed, in a fraction of a seconded it rolls back to the correct outcome. Also, both players connect to the server instead of each other (client server network instead of peer-to-peer). But I’m an arena fighter there are wayyyy too many possible outcomes for your next input because it’s 3d
@@TripleSlashAnime there are literally 3d games that exist with rollback already, and often times the complexity of arena fighters is much less than traditional fighters in terms of the variations that can happen.
6:01 gotenks looking a bit different here😂
I doubt manga stuff is going to be in this game if they are it’s gonna be dlc cause of how hyped it just don’t make sense to add them from the start from a business standpoint
I think vegeta's form (and frieza's) have good marketing pull and if the majority of the story mode takes place in super it makes some sense to include the 2 manga arcs. But this take is respectable too
@@VirtueUA-cam that is true also I can agree with that we just gonna have to see I’m
Hoping the list you put is gonna be on the game that would be the best
Bro com on !! That's basic asf and should already be in the game
5:58 Teen Gohan and Gotenks grew up so quick.
I wouldnt have an issue with not as many characters but if they snub the original kid goku again im gonna get mad he can be done with one slot!
kid goku was so good in bt3 too lol
I'm actually on the same page as you, I do actually expect the roster to be small... and then, old characters get sold to us in dlc. For example, a 'dragonball pass' to play as kid goku, tao, roshi(or they might just take super roshi), arale maybe, Nam maybe, devilman maybe, ect. or the gt pass.
then if this game does well they'll make bt5 which has all those chars and add more and more, similar to how they did it with budokai tenkaichi where they just ported stuff over and added new characters. Either way this game will disappoint a lot of people for sure myself included as I really like the old dragonball characters and designs and stuff, but it'll be a new good start. Probably. Not excited to pay for DLC i'll tell ya that much though.
You hit the nail on the head with the DLC packs, I'm a huge Gundam fan but the amount of DLC packs they always make for a gundam game and the price is staggering, look at Gundam VS to get the whole roster in it, it took over 200$ to get it, why I switched to Gundam Extreme VS Maxi Boost ON because it had a bigger base roster without the huge DLC cost.
Ooh, I never considered mixing the character systems with Budokai. That seems pretty interesting actually and wouldn't complain if that was the case.
Raging blast 2 and burst limit as well has beam struggles
yeah I was trying to think of the most recent one which would be ult tenkaichi I think
in my opinion 60 characters would be amazing to start the game, also DLC packs later on would be great tbh
Super is popular right now so if you're only having 60 characters you're going to be losing characters from the older rosters, like Hercule or Mecha Frieza.
Yeah 60 ain’t enough
At least 250 lol drop it 2025 we’ll be chill
@@therealrongu6599 not gonna happen bro be realis Realistic 50 of 60 wil be on the roster
@@faranasmohabbat8641 nope
Nice video!
I think they might condense the roster by making transformation apart of the characters instead if them being considered there own character on the roster spot like how raging blast 2 and xenoverse
They already do that
I completely and 100% agree with you.
Bandai's absolute vice grip on the devs will undoubtedly hurt the game, a lot like Xenoverse 2.
Their greedy business practices are a major concern for me too.
I'd be happy with 70 characters if they increased the number with either DLC or sequels.
My only problem with this list is that they would never add manga characters to this kind of game
Blue Goku on Namek in the trailer might be a hint at them running some of the manga arcs, but also it wouldn't be uncommon at least for games like these to draw inspiration from stuff that hasn't been animated yet I wouldn't be surprised either way though
I just hope the are able to recapture the feeling of the games with updates to the graphics and slight updates to the mechanics. I really hope they don’t mess up the gameplay and dumb it down or make it unrecognizable
I do not expect ultra ego to be in the game because i hasn’t been anime adapted yet along with Moro and Granola arcs
lowkey i just want that bt2 character unlocking system where you would fuse some potara earrings and get a character ex “ friezas brother + Big ghetti star” And boom you unlock metal cooler
Really good video for a small channel like this i really enjoy your video and looking forward to see more of your video's butaround minute 6 you put a few times a vegeta in counting other fighters up. Much love 🤟 lets get hyped about the game
Honestly I'm scared that they'll do what do many companies have been doing and just slapping a nastolgic name on something that clearly isn't anything like what the name calls back to like with the Ford mach-e or when mtg released battle for bladurs gate. They could've stopped at those names but they had to slap the mustang nameplate on the mach-e and commander legends on the end set
Also why would they add manga forms and characters, they need voice actors and move sets for them so there out of the picture sorry it ain’t happening
85.extras can come in DLC (we can worry about DLC later)
I imagine they’ll start with a small amount and like Xenoverse add characters (hopefully not through dlc)
When it comes to rollback it actually makes sense why the wait is so long from the announcement for fighterz. A dev, not a dragonball dev mind you but for a completely different company once explained to me that rollback is something that your game should be designed for from the start. Doing it later makes the process much harder because you have to go back and change the code for every little thing in order to properly implement it. Everything from projectiles, to a punch, to the exact distance a character moves when throw them.
So for Tenkaichi 4 to have rollback in needs to have been a decided factor since development started, unless they delay the game just for that.
Yeah this is true, but games like Guilty Gear Strive (same developer) started with delay based with no intention of going rollback (beta 1) and had a full rollback system before release! Also, they have ported many of their old (independent) games to rollback successfully including xrd rev 2, +r, BlazBlue crosstag and central fiction. If there's any company that has experience doing this it's ASW, and for some reason DBFZ has been under a HUGE holdup. So I don't doubt there's work to be done but I'm not buying the excuse of that's the sole reason why it's taken so long.
@@VirtueUA-cam True, but without being there we can only guess as to what's different from FighterZ and all those other games. Maybe it's something as simple as team size. Strive would have been their top priority at the time as it was a new game from their own studio. I can easily see the majority of the devs on that front.
Dragonball on the other hand is already "complete", so it could have a smaller team doing rollback while the main force is working on the next big project for the company, which would also mean the coders are busy doing rollback for 2 separate titles at once.
@@5h0ckblock true it's all conjecture, better examples would be Bandai's arena fighter titles anyways. We'll just have to wait and see we don't even know who's developing it yet lol (most likely dimps/cc2) doubt they're bringing back Spike.
Every rush attack and combo moves are from actual animation fight scenes on the shows that's why I super Saiyan 2 Gohan fights so Crisp or demon King piccolo, but characters like majuub combos our crappy cuz they took mostly use the footage of him when he fought super Android#17
For sure they will add more from the tournament of power
For a roster size I'd say from z gt and super for the roster around 170
i would like to see some angels fighting considring they couldnt in the anime i would like to see how they worked
I love the injection of life this game has brought back to the game DBZ community
100% Agree dude. Still very pumped
I think I'm more worried about how they're going to make the gameplay feel. I haven't played a bt game and the closest thing I've played is shin budokai 2. Whether or not that's close enough to have an opinion, they either have to drastically change the gameplay, or try to make it feel like a budokai game while modernising it. That ain't easy to do with xv2 running about
It should just redo the BT3 mechanics as is.
@@GeteMachine that might not be the best, but we will jave to see
Devils Advocate - in order to make this one to build on the past games it would probably start from the beginning of Z like the others and come to current day while including as many as it can along the way. But anything beyond Battle of the Gods requiring a battle pass to continue collecting characters and transformations. Or base show from dragon ball to current with movie transformations and characters requiring battle pass.
Also it’s not going have og voice actors 😢
5:58 gohan looking a little different than I remember
would dragon ball legends beam struggle, be counted as a beam struggle?
Is it most of the legwork already done if they just port over the character models and voice clips from xenoverse 2?
There’s an error in the video with gohan and goten you had vegeta in for both of them
You wanting to play this with your lilbro is heartwarming
I mean I think sticking with the popular characters will help besides adding randoms like Devilman from BT3
5:57
“Teen gohan” “gotanks” mf that vegeta
The world has changed so much since then. You used to be able to buy a game, and every bit of content the developers could stick in there would be in the game. These days, games are made with the intent of being incomplete initially essentially. Sadly, even when it comes out, the roster won't be final probably for a while. My hope is that it makes Tenkaichi 3 obsolete, but considering the nature of modern games, I think it's sad to say this could end up as Raging Blast with Super elements.
You are completely right. Everything you said is the reason of decline of modern games. The best case scenario is BT3 with current graphics with Super characters, with no DLC or at least minimal amount of DLC, but as you put it, this possiblity is very thin.
my concern is not even the number of characters, but whether this game will come out for ps4 or just for the new generation.
Broo why was GOKU COOKING DABURA IN THE BACKGROUND
man we gonna have to have a huge base roster but we still got to have shit tons of room with dlc just like with xeno it cant be any other way than that in this current game world
i'd be happy with 140 at the start but i can live with 100/110 as the roster size but even that might be too high for them to do
The furthest this game may go is even the Broly movie maybe JUST MAYBE they'll do Cellmax and Gohan beast as dlc. Personally I would be good with the game ending at the TOP
Please, give me the whole "kinda free roam different story for every character" that budokai 3 had
I wish they would do a roster like that but I highly doubt they would use manga characters or transformations on a game before they’re seen in the anime
I think in the end we’ll asking to simply get the og ported to current platforms with online play lol
Actually Namco didn't publish Demon Slayer, Sega did. That and Jojos not having rollback is usually attributed to the developer, CyberConnect2. Xenoverse does have rollback, it's just bad.
ah my mistake on demon slayer then, CC2 did make dbz kakarot which means they might do tenkaichi 4 but that's all speculation until we know who the developer is. Xeno afaik does not have rollback netcode but doing a quick search i can't find any info on it. I think the point with bandai games frequently having bad QOL online still stands though.
@@VirtueUA-cam it definitely isn't Delay cause Xenoverse online's issues are teleporting rather than lag.
@@Cam10_84 this can happen on both of those infrastructures
I really want bardock i loved him in the og games and it would be even cooler if they gave him ssj but thats a long shot
If the go to TOP in super they absolutely would have to have about 120-130 characters if you consider transformations as characters. Unless they cut GT and parts or Z.
I think ive only played ultimate tenkaichi for the 360, and I was about nine when it came out but I really enjoyed it, I'd be satisfied with a roster of like 15-30 characters, i've never really mained more then 1-2 ppl in a fighting game so that'd be enough