Don't forget about the sexy possibility of building a nydus in your proxy base and evacuating all the drones if you know basetrade is about to happen. Just feels so annoying to have idle workers otherwise.
Hindsight: place a creep tumor in the main base when the hatch/lair was going down, turn a couple overlords into droppers, to get the queens and drones out. Even slow ones can get the drones out and back to work.
Same, especially when he pulled all those drones to defend the low ground and basically had a free surround on the probe at the bottom of the ramp on the way to the cannons
It's actually really hard to kill a probe with drones if they have good micro to just run around making you waste mining time with a conga-line of drones futilely following the little prankster... But yeah he needed to take the cannon rush more seriously and pull a lot more drones a lot faster. At least 3 on every single building that is warping in, I think. and at least 1 on the probe. Maybe some to patrol-block.
@@Supergoon1989 you must have missed that part of the vid, because he had multiple instances where he had a full surround avail. If my gold-league butt can kill a probe with drones, Marc def can.
@@Broockle Having 30 idle drones and then loose them instead of using them is a better play, sure. The price for a nydus/dropalord is recouped in 10 seconds if you do it. And you get better eco for more mutas. Great logic there.
@@dyg107 You really can't get caught up in this kind of minutia during a game. You see you have 3 base vs 1 and they got no anti air. Just rush for the solution. What if you rush Nydus and the terran decides to kill all the drones before you get to them? That would be a disaster. Rushing Muta was safer.
@@Broockle of course you can get caught up in the minutia. That's the whole point of improvement. Morphing a dropalord is less than a minute and the price is low.
U thermal, tq for the videos, I grew up in South east Asia a very small and remote town but has access to SC 1 and my friends and I played sc1 in a manner just like yours, enjoyable and fascinated, like what u demonstrating now, tq.
16:22 Oh no! You even called it perfectly! You had enough time! As soon as you saw that probe trying to cannon rush you should have pulled just a few more drones and properly made sure you stopped those cannons going up. You would have been so far ahead - cannon rush was his only shot!
I wonder if there is any potential in taxiing stuff from a proxy into their main with dropperlords, they could even generate creep for tumors or spines... Anyways great video! Loved the base trade!
Hey Marc, been a fan of the series' for quite some time. Can you please go back to 3 games per episode?? 2 just doesn't quite quench the appetite!! Thanks for the content!
i rememebr maybe 13 years ago watching a really sexy burrow play on youtube in broodwar. and then seeing a sexy dark templar play. immediately tried both. the results were astounding and i remember the opponent in my dark templar strategy game was super impressed by it. sadly i have no idea what those videos were. as for burrow, i think burrow banelings are quite underused.
@uthermal I am SC2 noob so I am not offering the statement but the question. In this madness would building a nydus in your main and just moving your 30 workers to the gold when you still had creep been the play ?
Hey uThermal couldnt you rush lings and burrow before someone expands to their 3rd and put a single burrowed ling at every base forcing the opponent to spend on a overseer / raven / scans? The cost to them to see the burrowed lings might be more than what the upgrade and lings cost. Might not work so well with protoss since an observer is standard.
That zerg terran game around 11:54 starts looking like StarCraft II: Dunkirk edition! :)) How come you would t just get transport sacs and lift them all out?
Your drones could have blocked the cannon rush probe at a few spots, sucks that you didn’t have the realization to do that instead of trying to take down the cannons (that you ultimately didn’t kill) but it was an awesome game!
I feel like at any point after the trade in game 1 it would have been very useful to get ventral sacs first instead of a spire so that you could airlift your economy to safety, especially since you're saving for a ton of mutas anyways its not necessary to have it available immediately
nydus to evac the drones could've been nice first game second game I'm sad you didn't push the burrow roaches further - your micro is way good to not try. Florencio does such burrow roach from proxy in the opponent's base and when it works it's spectacular
8:38 This is so many drones just trapped in your main base. You're still very far ahead because of the gold base, but I would have quite liked to see a quick Nydus go down at your gold, then when it finishes pop a Nydus in your main to evacuate all the drones and then they can resume mining at the base next to your gold. I'm still watching, I don't know if all these drones die yet...maybe they do.
you missed the housekeeping on your main base going down: Spawning pool should be rebuilt at the gold in anticipation of it dying in a minute or so. That spore needs uprooting so it doesn't bleed out, and your Lair needs rebuilding at the gold, also. I like that you got a Spire down just before you lost your first Lair, though. Very wise!
Pretty sure if you burrow close enough to a geyser a refinery can't be build there, anymore. Don't know how much confusion this might cause among higher mmr players but probably enough annoyance.
I'm pretty sure you could've broke the tank position before he moved into that corner...? You have a lot 30+ lings on both sides of his army and 30+ drones to sacc, while he has maybe 10 marines and 3 tanks that will probably help you kill marines.
I think he had enough time and resources to get both. That Lair is definitely going down in a few seconds, so if he's quick he gets those structures to start building just before it does, then he gets to keep the tech.
vs cannons just keep making spines and micro them. There are tons of funny sub games in that. If all of your overlords are pooping creep on hold position you can make funny spine pushes. Any damage on the ovi is less damage on the spines. Walking spines have a target priority of 19 while ovi have 20. lol ah, I found a video showing it ua-cam.com/video/jLRJm7YqQVU/v-deo.html
IF YOU ATTACK THE BASE AND THEY LIFT WHY NOT QUICKLY BURROW 1 OF THE LINGS. AS LIFTED ORBITALS CAN'T SCAN, SO STOPS MINING AND FORCING THEM TO CHANGE THEIR BUILD.
"Technically I think this should be good for me, if someone makes a forge against my macro proxy hatch". Things I never thought I'd hear a Starcraft player say.
I don't understand how you can talk the whole game in your SECOND LANGUAGE and still play so, so good. You are awesome. Keep it going.
But he's a native speaker?
Dutch @@GigaBoost
Don't forget about the sexy possibility of building a nydus in your proxy base and evacuating all the drones if you know basetrade is about to happen. Just feels so annoying to have idle workers otherwise.
I was thinking the same thing while watching that! He wanted a lair for the creep but I wanted him to build a nydus to escape
He noob
I thought dropperlords
The voice in my head was screaming NYDUS...
Yeah, 30 workers are 100% worth the investment.
Thermy flew all the way back to Mexico just to record this video. That's dedication ❤️
He actually occupies multiple spaces at once, thats why his multiprong is so good.
@@TheMuffinman191 This is what I choose to believe.
Proxyhouse to GM
He didn't fly back, he just used his Nydus Network to go back.
He blinked there
Hindsight: place a creep tumor in the main base when the hatch/lair was going down, turn a couple overlords into droppers, to get the queens and drones out. Even slow ones can get the drones out and back to work.
Droppolords could have saved all those drones in the main, but decided to just leave them there
So impressed how you commentate and play so well at the same time.
During that cannon rush I was pretty much shouting "KILL THE PROBE." Would have saved you so much heartache.
Same, especially when he pulled all those drones to defend the low ground and basically had a free surround on the probe at the bottom of the ramp on the way to the cannons
It's actually really hard to kill a probe with drones if they have good micro to just run around making you waste mining time with a conga-line of drones futilely following the little prankster... But yeah he needed to take the cannon rush more seriously and pull a lot more drones a lot faster. At least 3 on every single building that is warping in, I think. and at least 1 on the probe. Maybe some to patrol-block.
@@Supergoon1989 you must have missed that part of the vid, because he had multiple instances where he had a full surround avail. If my gold-league butt can kill a probe with drones, Marc def can.
@@Jhaiisiin you can't surround a worker lol. They can just mineral walk through you.
@@Jhaiisiin your gold league opponents probably don't know about mineral walking
A dropalord or a Nydus in the first game would have allowed you to evacuate your main base.
Was thinking the same!
nah, rushing mutas was the better play
@@Broockle Having 30 idle drones and then loose them instead of using them is a better play, sure.
The price for a nydus/dropalord is recouped in 10 seconds if you do it. And you get better eco for more mutas. Great logic there.
@@dyg107
You really can't get caught up in this kind of minutia during a game.
You see you have 3 base vs 1 and they got no anti air. Just rush for the solution.
What if you rush Nydus and the terran decides to kill all the drones before you get to them? That would be a disaster.
Rushing Muta was safer.
@@Broockle of course you can get caught up in the minutia. That's the whole point of improvement. Morphing a dropalord is less than a minute and the price is low.
U thermal, tq for the videos, I grew up in South east Asia a very small and remote town but has access to SC 1 and my friends and I played sc1 in a manner just like yours, enjoyable and fascinated, like what u demonstrating now, tq.
16:22 Oh no! You even called it perfectly! You had enough time! As soon as you saw that probe trying to cannon rush you should have pulled just a few more drones and properly made sure you stopped those cannons going up. You would have been so far ahead - cannon rush was his only shot!
I wish the proxy hatch videos weren't so short. They're my favorite challenge.
9:20 how come no nydus ? could fully evacuate that base right after the lair dies then
That burrowed ling on every base was a 200 IQ move! Very nice! Just making sure you're definitely ahead and he's not mining anywhere else. ;)
Love that I stumbled on your proxy hatch series
I was about to get freaky with the GF and then saw you posted a new vid. I know my priorities
I wonder if there is any potential in taxiing stuff from a proxy into their main with dropperlords, they could even generate creep for tumors or spines... Anyways great video! Loved the base trade!
Hey Marc, been a fan of the series' for quite some time. Can you please go back to 3 games per episode?? 2 just doesn't quite quench the appetite!! Thanks for the content!
i rememebr maybe 13 years ago watching a really sexy burrow play on youtube in broodwar. and then seeing a sexy dark templar play. immediately tried both. the results were astounding and i remember the opponent in my dark templar strategy game was super impressed by it. sadly i have no idea what those videos were.
as for burrow, i think burrow banelings are quite underused.
I miss having 3 or more games per video. Feel like the videos are too short now
Me too, we got spoiled early on.
17:09 I was screaming “kill the probe” hahah felt like it could have stopped the rush xD
Incredibly cool first game, very nice.
@uthermal I am SC2 noob so I am not offering the statement but the question. In this madness would building a nydus in your main and just moving your 30 workers to the gold when you still had creep been the play ?
The first game could be super hilarious if you would get few overlords with Ventral sacs and just carried everyone out of the locked-in base 😎
Hey uThermal couldnt you rush lings and burrow before someone expands to their 3rd and put a single burrowed ling at every base forcing the opponent to spend on a overseer / raven / scans?
The cost to them to see the burrowed lings might be more than what the upgrade and lings cost.
Might not work so well with protoss since an observer is standard.
I didn’t realize root was still a SC2 team. Reminds me of the old times with destiny, mini gun, and idrA
You can get overlord carrying ability to ferry your drones over the cliff to escape the main.
That zerg terran game around 11:54 starts looking like StarCraft II: Dunkirk edition! :)) How come you would t just get transport sacs and lift them all out?
Your drones could have blocked the cannon rush probe at a few spots, sucks that you didn’t have the realization to do that instead of trying to take down the cannons (that you ultimately didn’t kill) but it was an awesome game!
12:05 I was hoping for a nydus to rescue the drones but it never happened :(
why no nydus in the first game to transfer idle drones?
If you fight against a terran as zerg can you neural infect a scv and switch to terran?
Yes
Why not get the drones out the main base with overlord drops ^^?
I feel like at any point after the trade in game 1 it would have been very useful to get ventral sacs first instead of a spire so that you could airlift your economy to safety, especially since you're saving for a ton of mutas anyways its not necessary to have it available immediately
I hoped you were going for lair to build dropperlords or nydus to save the drones from the main.
Root Heaven has been an opponent in SO many challenges that I've watched involving other players in their own challenges lol.
i play a lot
i would love to see a "infestation pit creatures to gm" series 🥰🥰
It could have been if infested Terrans still exist.
La creatura
nydus to evac the drones could've been nice first game
second game I'm sad you didn't push the burrow roaches further - your micro is way good to not try. Florencio does such burrow roach from proxy in the opponent's base and when it works it's spectacular
Why no nydus canal to move workers to expansion?
How many of us were screaming dropperlords or nydus in game one?
8:38 This is so many drones just trapped in your main base. You're still very far ahead because of the gold base, but I would have quite liked to see a quick Nydus go down at your gold, then when it finishes pop a Nydus in your main to evacuate all the drones and then they can resume mining at the base next to your gold. I'm still watching, I don't know if all these drones die yet...maybe they do.
you missed the housekeeping on your main base going down: Spawning pool should be rebuilt at the gold in anticipation of it dying in a minute or so. That spore needs uprooting so it doesn't bleed out, and your Lair needs rebuilding at the gold, also. I like that you got a Spire down just before you lost your first Lair, though. Very wise!
Ok did you do the housekeeping straight after this, I apologise. :D
It kinda bugged me in the first game that he didn’t do transport upgrade for overlords to transfer drones
This is a great series!
I literally have never played star craft I know I never will. But for some reason I have watched alot of your videos planning the watch them all.
So if defending a proxy hatch build your bunker outside of the vision
19:19 Marc's a gangsta now
hoped for overlords bringing the left over drones out of the main base :D
This makes me excited about maybe a burrow rush to GM?
You rock.
Would have been clutch to get overlord transportation
Pretty sure if you burrow close enough to a geyser a refinery can't be build there, anymore. Don't know how much confusion this might cause among higher mmr players but probably enough annoyance.
How about Proxy hatch into Nydus/Swarm Hosts?
I cant believe you didnt get a nydus or dropalord to evacuate the drones in the first game. So triggering... 😅🤣
Overlords can carry units. Why u did not evacuate your main????
The missread of the force always leads to bad endings luke. 😀
I'm pretty sure you could've broke the tank position before he moved into that corner...? You have a lot 30+ lings on both sides of his army and 30+ drones to sacc, while he has maybe 10 marines and 3 tanks that will probably help you kill marines.
Why no dropper lords or nydus in the first game! Could of had the flight of the drones
Is this post the new patch updates?
Nah
New patch isn't even finalized yet
Patch is only on the PTR for testing, it's not officially published yet.
Why didn't you make a nydus or dropper overload to get all those drones out in the first game?
You do know what a nydus is right? 😜
could have made a dropperlord and snuck all the units out..
20:48 you have 8 roaches for 8 stalkers and you can spawn another 3, I think you surrender too early)
If this was nydus, not spire, they you could move your drones ;)
I think he had enough time and resources to get both. That Lair is definitely going down in a few seconds, so if he's quick he gets those structures to start building just before it does, then he gets to keep the tech.
Great games!
this is litaraly a campaign mission, nice
nydus can save all your idle workers
should have built a nydus in the first game
min 13:35 - man do nydus to use workers ^^
I've already won 5 prizes on this channel - I will keep coming back!
vs cannons just keep making spines and micro them. There are tons of funny sub games in that. If all of your overlords are pooping creep on hold position you can make funny spine pushes. Any damage on the ovi is less damage on the spines. Walking spines have a target priority of 19 while ovi have 20. lol ah, I found a video showing it ua-cam.com/video/jLRJm7YqQVU/v-deo.html
such a short episode....... 😭
Let's go
Where's the "only proxy hatch" macro game - no hatch's in nat or 3rd
IF YOU ATTACK THE BASE AND THEY LIFT WHY NOT QUICKLY BURROW 1 OF THE LINGS. AS LIFTED ORBITALS CAN'T SCAN, SO STOPS MINING AND FORCING THEM TO CHANGE THEIR BUILD.
ALSO IF YOU HAVE CREEP AT THEIR BASE MASS QUEENS WILL BE STRONGER
Nidus swarm host please :)
Anyone else screaming nydus at their screen? 🙂
YES!!! Or Dropperlords!!
Mexico? Man Zerg is op
7min+ you have lair, you can drop drons right, ez +30 drons 🤔
y didnt u just nydus ur army to the gold tha tone game u lost ur main to the tank marine bs
I think you guys took the term base trade a bit too literal. :-)
Never thought I’d be rooting for a cannon rusher. This tactic is so damn annoying.
hey very short videos :/
I wouldn't mind seeing three games if it goes this short. I feel like 30 minutes is a nicer target than 20.
nydus to GM xD
:)
250 investment would of allowed an elevator movement of all the units to abandon them
"Technically I think this should be good for me, if someone makes a forge against my macro proxy hatch".
Things I never thought I'd hear a Starcraft player say.
at this day and age most people playing SC higher than plat/dim are smurfs.. GG to the sc2 for noobs
t90official and uthermal. lol why am i addicted to watching people play RTS. and i dont play either game.