Thanks for posting these!!! I just finished rebuilding the steering column on my JD300 today and couldn't have done it without your three videos! Great job and I very much appreciate it!
Great videos on the hydraulic steering! My dad's 2040 4-wheel drive tractor steering column had been getting hot for a while when running, and the steering was taking more effort to turn. The final straw was when it started dumping oil out the top seal. Your advice through the video was a huge help! Turned out that it was the six O-rings and top seal. all but one O-ring was completely destroyed. They took a lot of patience to replace the bottom three, but the top three went fairly fast. Did the replacement with the column still on the tractor, with a long pick in one hand and a flashlight in the other. Tractor has been run for a few hours with no issues, no leaking, column staying cool to the touch, and the steering is one finger smooth like it was when sold back in 1981. Thank you for your helping keep great tractors running and saving us money along the way!
I've learned a lot from you Bundy Bear and this is a great series I needed to see. Like @youtubeaddict4271 who commented seven months ago I just bought a 1972 300B (backhoe) which is the same tractor as JD1020. He may be inferring that the 1020 has the same steering system as your 1640. Before I start the teardown, I'll ask my JD dealer if the steering systems are identical. After reading the technical manual, I was apprehensive about taking on the job but you have given me the confidence to take it on. I truly appreciate your instruction, humor and encouragement! Thank you!!!
This has been the best video series on this steering column I have seen. It's a five year old video helping me get my 45 year old tractor running. Love it. Thanks a lot, I really appreciate it!! Oh and I have the 300B.
John Deere whas so far away from ther time that even today tractors cant beat this power steering tecnology ,the best power steering i ever saw and drive with , just so freaking smooth , couldn't imagine that whas a youtuber that tear apart the hole mihanism and show us how it works !!! thx sir .
From a hay farmer & retired toyota tech to Lance, great instructional video. I knew they cant be to tough and could figure out how to overhaul my 3130 after looking at parts pic. Your video made me feel like i had done 100. Stateside we call em dust seals....you have rubbish seals, love it. Subscribed.
Well done great job, I have a jd1040 that has hydraulic oil coming from the steering column. I got new orings and a dust seal for it, hopefully we will be able to do the job. Your videos are very educational and very well done. Fair play to you and thanks.
I just followed your great instructional video on john deer hydraulic power steering rebuild. I’m ready to put it back in. My question is, I have a 1530 that lost all hydraulics. From what I understand is the pump feeds the steering first? I have taken the front pump off in front of the radiator and opened it up. It was clean and looked all good. I first lost steering to the left I believe it’s been awhile in my shop. Then after that bucket was erratic then quit. Shortly after was the 3 point. I have replaced all the filters and the bypass valve appears good. Now I did find somebody had changed the main filter so when I went to change it I found 3/4 of a gasket from and old filter that hadn’t been removed and somehow was working it’s way up into the tractor. I was able to get alot of it with needle nose. Just makes me wonder where the rest went. Anyhow it sat all last summer and most this winter and I just finished the steering column rebuild. I feel good about it. Went smoothly with your video. So the question lol. Would the hydraulic steering cause this? It didn’t leak out the top at all. Some of the main o rings were flattened out though. Also when tractor is running it makes a high pitched whining noise and sounds like it come from where the steering shaft is. That’s why I dug in there first. Sorry for the long question, just want to explain everything I know about it. Thanks Bob
To test if it was the steering causing the problem you can cap the pipe to the steering and see if the tractor problems go away. With the left over gasket possibly some got stuck in the bypass valve but if you clean the screen, change the filter and check the bypass valve you should be well on the way.
Actually really enjoyed the video Lance, as I've had nothing to do with power steering pumps etc. Especially loved the 'but' at the beginning. Reminded me of the manuals that said remove bolt, pulley and......3 hours later, several bruised knuckles, lots of swearing, plus a trip to your mate to borrow a puller....sure you know what I'm on about lol.
My jd 2150 steering column was getting really hot. It just started leaking oil out the top. I’m soooooo glad I found your video. I’m ordering the kit now. Thank you sir.
Hi, awesome video, many thanks for sharing your experience. The steering column is pissing oil from under the steering wheel on my 2120. I now feel confident in pulling it apart, great to know what to look out for. Cheers, Paul.
I know it's been two years since you did your 300B but where did you find your seal kit? John deere tells me the kit is no longer available. Did you get your kit from JD or an aftermarket supplier?
Getting ready to tackle those o-rings. Would no way even started but seeing your video series I'm confident I will be able to do it, with a little swearing if course. Thanks for putting this together.
Thanks for the video. This really saved me on my john deere. But as closely I followed the instructions in this video I ended up still having hydraulic fluid leaking from the seal at the base of the column where it flanges up to the tractor. Any idea what my issue might be? I cleaned the old gasket off with a razor blade and some fine sand paper to get it nice and smooth. The only thing I can think of is I didn't use liquid gasket, I only went back with fiber gasket from john deere. And I have gone back and made sure that the bolts are tight. Thanks for any help you can give me. Oh and the long welding rod bent at both ends worked like a champ!
Thanks so much for that video it was really helpful, I replaced all the Orings in my 2150 steering column everything's still tight almost a year later but i think i got air in the column now, is there a way to bleed the steering column on that tractor
That could be arranged I will have to see what I have available for the job. Sometimes I have to wait for a friends tractor to break down or buy stuff in to do the job. Stay tuned.
Thanks for the video, it helps me to see it come apart first. I have a 2130 with 146 loader that has a hydraulic pump chatter and every once in a while after running warm the hydraulic steering and loader controls shudder. Right now I have the rockshaft cover off to reseal the valves but everything looks alright. I did have a stream of oil flowing down from the rockshaft area when looking through the hydraulic fill hole but it turns out it was coming from the SCV valve being in the neutral position; I just found out from the operators manual that the SCV valve(s) needs to be in the forward position when using a loader. I am hoping that the shuddering hydraulics and chatter was from the SCV valve bleeding the oil in neutral. The next thing I am going to do is reseal the steering shaft if the problem continues. Thanks again and I like your vise looks like you built it yourself.
Try returning the SCV oil into the filter housing it will help the front pump keep up better. The 50 series has a ported filter bowl available that will fit the earlier tractors.
@@BundyBearsShed The tractor does have the ported filter housing for the loader return. The return oil for the SCV flows into the top right of the rockshaft cover (right beside the SCV) while inspecting through the hydro fill cap i could see a stream of oil from the SCV being in the wrong position. As an update to my rockshaft resealing, when I inspected further the rockshaft piston the gasket was crumbling apart, so I have one of those on order; could be related to the shudder.
i was watching the video on a jd tractor power steering. I have an early jd300 bachoe. I am impressed with your video on the steering. The backhoe when i bought it, when it was started would make a hard turn to the right. My question here is the shims out of place. or should there be the same amount of shims be in each segment? I have change the filters in the hydraulic system and change some hoses and for a period i lost hyd presure at the bucket and the steering. The steering is now locke in a straight ahead position. How can i fix this? Its tuff to find info on this old tractor. Any info would be greatly apprecitiated. Thanks very much for your vidieos.
I am replacing thw six o-rings in the steering column while the column is still on the tractor. What is the best way to get the old seals removed and the new ones in?
Hello very helpful video, upon taking mine apart i discovered the shims were paper thin, does John Deere or aftermarket sale the shims and if so do you have a part number
Thank you !!! Thank you !!!!! I finally found and older more knowledgeable parts man, and he got the shims I needed to me in 4 days.... Took about 20 phone calls to fine him. Do you have a segment showing how to overhaul the hydraulic pump on a John Deere 2020 or one similar?
Thanks Bundy for the very clear explanation. I am from the Netherlands . We have bought a John Deere 1140. And we have problems with the power steerig . So I got the steeringcollum apart. and find out that the 6 Orings inside were cooked. Now i have a question. Is the steeringcollum the same as a JD1640? It looks the same so i can see but i am not sure. Thanks again! Greets from us
I have watched this video multiple times, and triple checked everything on the rebuild before re installing, and it is still spewing fluid out of the top do you have any suggestions or pointers on what I did wrong? The main difference between our valves is yours has 3 holes and 1 hole and mine has the same number of holes on both valves. so how do I know which one is top and bottom if they are the same? It’s a 1976 John Deere 2040
The top valve should not have the same holes as the bottom, the oil drains out the bottom. check the balls holding the valves in place are there. Years ago I got the valves mixed up and it leaked badly, I put them in the correct place and the problem went away.
My 2630 has a steel ring on the piston, that looks like a piston ring, instead of the o-ring and backers like you show in the video. Is this a newer thing? Everything is the same as the video, which was very good!
Mr. Bundy, I have a JD 2630 that is leaking around the bottom gasket. do thou think if i just pulled the steering column and replaced the gasket it would solve the leak or is the oil coming from a leak inside the column and need to be totally rebuilt? thanks for all your advice and sharing your wisdom!! the videos are awesome!
Thanks for excellent video. I have a question though on my John Deere 3130 model. How can I test the stearing gears (Part Number T28697 and T26669) are worn out. My tractor 3pt hitch has no power to lift the plow. I am suspecting that the transmission input pump is not working because the stearing are worn out. Thanks for your help.
You could block the steering pipe and see if the problem gets better, If it does the problem is in the steering but if it is still the same lift cover leaks internally or filter etc.
Great video Lance, I was able to follow along and just replaced the seals with the column still in place on my 2140, reassembled and had no leaks, but the column seemed to heat up, and my overall hydraulic efficiency seemed to decline. What might cause this? Is it possible the 6 inner seals are not properly aligned on the valves and their is some oil slipping by? What do you think might this be?
G day Daryll, It is possiblr to get them in the wrong place but usually there is a leak almost straight away or steering not working very well. They do get quite warm, listen for your hydraulic pump coupler to get noisy when nothing is being used and for the coupler noise to go away when a hydraulic function is being used. If it makes a noise not much is wrong.
Hey Lance , after hours of wrestling those 6 Ö"rings inside the column, the best way was to wack them in the freezer for a few hours. So much easier with way less cursing
Great Job Mr. Bear! Only have one Question , at the bottom of the housing you mention checking to see that balls are there, what if they are not there? Are there springs behind them?
@@BundyBearsShed All good , Thank you very much for your fast response and even more for your most informative videos, that said. upon disassembly My center piston , instead of oring with the backer on each side that the piston in the video has has a steel ring . Have you seen this before ? Is this a bad design? This is off a 401c , a yellow machine. the steering was working fine, just has small leak under the wheel and a large leak out of the gasket where column mounts to chassis. Would you suggest putting it back together with the steel ring?
hi, great video it helped a lot! i replaced the sealings and all worked well. today the sealing under the steeringwheel popped out... should i open all again to see if its all ok inside or is it enough to press and glue the sealing back in place?
I have a 2840 is this the same kit for this model? I have oil coming from the top of the steering column. I replaced the seal but it has started pouring again. So you think it’s just the o rings or more? Thanks Marty
Just doing this for the 3rd time with the steering column. Everything is the same as yours but on top of the column is a threaded piece which is part of the column and is a couple of inches long. The threaded part under the wheel which threads into the column is the same as yours but this one has a secondary piece that threads into the column with a small length of threaded pipe in it with another o-ring. The best way to remove this is with a pipe wrench only discovering this after fabricating a tool to remove it internally with two protrusions which catch on the inner threaded part. Would have been much easier to use a pipe wrench. I painted it yellow to differentiate it from the rest of the column.
i have a question. I just rebuilt my steering column as you did in the videos. However, once I re-installed it the tractor will only turn left and back to center. It will not turn right without considerable effort. What did I do wrong on the re-build? Does this column need to be bleed? I cannot find any information about how to bleed it. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I discovered what happened. I left the spacer under the adjuster. when I turned the wheel left it pulled the piston too far. this in turn caused the dog bone to break the piston shaft. now I have to filigree how to remove a chuck of metal from the transmission. any thoughts on how to do this?
Hi lance, recently I purchased a 3130 tractor. My tractor steers itself, ill be mowing and it will turn left without me turning the steering and its impossible to catch it quickly. Any advice would be greatly appreciated as this is making mowing embarrassing as I can’t do a straight line thanks
I have the same tractor 1640 It was leaking from the top seal. I replaced it but it started to leak with the new seal too. Would there be a lower seal that is bad that would do this?
This makes is so clear, thank you. BUT my tractor is a JD 3020. Is there anything so different or more complicated that I might mess it up, or not have tools to do this? Also, the dealer prices for o-rings is $130! Surely there's gotta be a more affordable route. I'm fixing my tractor so I can sell it--gotta keep costs down. Thanks again!!!
The half clockwise free steering is ok ? My 1950n have free half clockwise steering its make hard road driving Sometimes i cant control the tractor on the road its start going right and left Someone can help please
The free play is adjusted with the shims on the valve bodies, there has to be some free movement as when you look at the steering wheel it will rise and lower a little to work the valves. If your steering is very sloppy it is probably not in the column but the bolt on the pitman arm can come loose and the bell crank under the radiator gets sloppy.
My 1971 1020 has 90 degrees of steering wheel turn before it starts to move the wheels. I pulled the piston and the steering shaft thinking there was a problem. Looking at the end of this video it appears that you have the same play. Now I feel stupid. Gonna put it back together today and hope I didn't ruin anything.
@@BundyBearsShed - You are right. Everything was in good shape and it all went back together well. Everything is as it was before. Thanks for the reply.
Hey Bundy greatings from Germany, first thinks first...thanks for the video so grateful for. Now that i saw your video i rebuild my power steering because it was leaking on top of the housing since years no one could tell me whats wrong. immediately i noticed in your video there are two different valves as you mentioned t ( 3 and 1 holes). I reassembled all and everything is fine now, but there is still one thing if im driving or running the tractor and stearing left/right and then to the opposite there is a "deadzone" when turning the steering wheel where nothing happens , is there a correlation between the valves and the thin chims or is that another problem? Maybe you have an advice for me.
The dead spot is in these but to get it to be minimal the shims on the valves can be removed to set it correctly. If you get it too tight you will be chasing the steering as either the top or bottom valve will be open, so you want the both valves to shut but have very little slop.
@@BundyBearsShed oh thank you very much for the help, problem is mostly gone now. At the first time i though i have to put more shims in to get more resistence to steering. Now if i steering left or right the dead spot is smaller but there is a sound i am not familar with, it sounds like a valve is jumping into the right place but i think thats not possible.
@@LaFleur785 Hey Christian, I think I have the same problem with my 1130. Steering from full left to full right there is more and more "resistance" at some point, When you get over it there is a "clack" sound and the steering is smooth again. I am also looking for a solution.
@@thilograf1445 Hey Thilo, ich schätze du bist aus dem deutschsprachigem Raum?! Das Problem hatte ich auch, was ich raus gefunden habe, ist das mein Opa aus/mit 2 verschiedenen Ersatzteilbüchern gearbeitet hat. 820/920 und 1020/1120....Ventileinheiten vermischt, Einstellscheiben vermischt usw. Dann habe ich mir die Bücher genauer angesehen und fest gestellt, das z.b. die obere Ventileinheit das falsche war. Ich habe die Lenkung bestimmt 20x ein und ausgebaut und eingestellt bis ich dann festgestellt habe das lt. dem Ersatzteilbuch 3x Scheiben zwischen den Ventileinheiten auf der Spindel sitzen und nicht 2x. Dann auch die Ventileinheiten eingestellt mit den Ringen wie im Buch(1020/1120) abgebildet, 6 Ringe pro Ventileinheit....1 x "dickeren" dann 4 x die "dünneren" dazwischen" und wieder 1 x den dickeren. dieses "überspringen" fast weg aber nicht ganz. Also alles wieder ausgebaut und jeweils pro Ventil ein "dünneren" Ring durch einen ganz dünnen ersetzt und nun funktioniert alles wunderbar......bis jetzt :)
@@thilograf1445 Spindel aufgebaut wie folgt von unten nach oben.....dicke Scheibe->Lager->"Pyramidenscheibe"-> Ventileinheit+Hülse->3 Scheiben(statt 2)-> Ventileinheit+Hülse-> "Pyramidenscheibe"->Lager->"dicke" Scheibe->Schwarze Scheibe mit Einfassung für Sprengring->Sprengring->Schwarze Scheibe->Sprengring. Meine Spindel ist noch ohne Druckfeder. In diesem Video hat er z.b. Unten statt 3 Scheiben ein dickeres Scheibenpaket dafür oben weniger Scheiben und auch nur 2 Scheiben zwischen den Ventileinheiten anders als in meinem Ersatzteilbuch. Versuche zuerst das Ventilspiel so einzustellen mit den dünnen Ringen wie hier im Video beschrieben, in deinem Fall würde ich sagen je Ventileinheit 1 dünneren Ring zwischen den dickeren rausnehmen.
It does need soome play to work the valves but you can shim the valve neutral position to a bit tighter. The shaft onto the main pitmann armacan come loose as well.
Thank you so much for this 3 part series. I've got a 2020 with that steering column on it, and it's drooling out under the steering wheel. I made some notes and bookmarked this video, and am going to dive into it when I have the parts in hand. Looks really simple the way you explained it. To do it 'in-frame', just pull the top nut off and screw the top shaft with the valves off, then replace the six o-rings inside and whatever else I can get to, right? Thanks again for your clear, well-made video.
@@BundyBearsShed Turns out not that exact steering column. The shaft doesn't separate into two different parts, in other words it doesn't unscrew all the way. On top of that, the end under the wheel looks nothing like what you took apart there. I think I have an earlier version, maybe? There are two C clips on the top end of the stack of valves, and a shoulder at the bottom of the stack, no C clip. When I removed the valves, the whole shootin' match slid out the bottom (larger) hole. The valves have the o-rings in them (except for the one that came out in pieces that indicated to me I'm on the right track with what my problem is!) and the cast housing has rough recesses with machined shoulders that appear to line up with where those o-rings would ride. I've been going crazy looking for ANYTHING on the internet that looks like my setup, and the only thing I can find is that there's a serial number break somewhere around 40k and mine's 26817. Possible I have open-center steering on this tractor? Heck, it's possible it's not even a 2020 LMAO, just has a 2020's hood on it! If you have the time and inclination, drop me an email and I'll send you some pics of what I see that's different with mine, maybe you can point me to where to find a kit for it. Just occurred to me, it could be that this is a column/valve off of a different tractor that physically fit on this one, but was never 'officially' used on a 2020. Possible?
Open center system. Fits exactly what the parts counter at the Deere dealer has on the computer there. No kit available, but all the o-rings and seals are available separately. Getting squared away now. Your vid is still very valuable to me, as I'd probably never have dug into it without watching! Thanks again!
That explains why I remembered everything the the finish. Assumed I just got busy and missed that part. My sanity remains intact for another day... Thanks for taking the time to post these up. Always a pleasure.
The steering shaft end play was stated to be 16mm to 13 mm. What if the end play was considerably more, for instance 25mm to 13mm. thats 12mm where in the example, it was 3mm.. Haven't disassembled column yet, dog bone stretched, or snap ring on valve shaft out or place. Please let me know.
I found the the c clip that holds the two spools completely disintegrated, and the lower c clip partially broke, I hoped that would have been my problem, but my steering still pops when I turn clockwise. What could be the problem?
Bundy Bears Shed no, it only pops when I’m using the power steering. If I shut it off and turn everything works like it should. I think I have a hydraulic issue. My drain tank hose blew off too, that shouldn’t be at that great of pressure to my knowledge.
Thanks for posting these!!! I just finished rebuilding the steering column on my JD300 today and couldn't have done it without your three videos! Great job and I very much appreciate it!
Glad I could help!
Great videos on the hydraulic steering! My dad's 2040 4-wheel drive tractor steering column had been getting hot for a while when running, and the steering was taking more effort to turn. The final straw was when it started dumping oil out the top seal. Your advice through the video was a huge help! Turned out that it was the six O-rings and top seal. all but one O-ring was completely destroyed. They took a lot of patience to replace the bottom three, but the top three went fairly fast. Did the replacement with the column still on the tractor, with a long pick in one hand and a flashlight in the other. Tractor has been run for a few hours with no issues, no leaking, column staying cool to the touch, and the steering is one finger smooth like it was when sold back in 1981. Thank you for your helping keep great tractors running and saving us money along the way!
Sounds like you had a win, good work.
I've learned a lot from you Bundy Bear and this is a great series I needed to see. Like @youtubeaddict4271 who commented seven months ago I just bought a 1972 300B (backhoe) which is the same tractor as JD1020. He may be inferring that the 1020 has the same steering system as your 1640. Before I start the teardown, I'll ask my JD dealer if the steering systems are identical. After reading the technical manual, I was apprehensive about taking on the job but you have given me the confidence to take it on. I truly appreciate your instruction, humor and encouragement! Thank you!!!
Glad the videos help, that is the main reason I do them, to encourage people to have a go.
This has been the best video series on this steering column I have seen. It's a five year old video helping me get my 45 year old tractor running. Love it. Thanks a lot, I really appreciate it!! Oh and I have the 300B.
Glad it helped
John Deere whas so far away from ther time that even today tractors cant beat this power steering tecnology ,the best power steering i ever saw and drive with , just so freaking smooth , couldn't imagine that whas a youtuber that tear apart the hole mihanism and show us how it works !!! thx sir .
Thankyou .
From a hay farmer & retired toyota tech to Lance, great instructional video. I knew they cant be to tough and could figure out how to overhaul my 3130 after looking at parts pic. Your video made me feel like i had done 100. Stateside we call em dust seals....you have rubbish seals, love it. Subscribed.
I appreciate all your helpful repairs and advice........
Thanks Walter.
Awesome video! Following along while i rebuild the column in an 1830. Thank you so much for the wealth of information!
Thanks Tucker, I hope it works well for you.
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Well done great job, I have a jd1040 that has hydraulic oil coming from the steering column. I got new orings and a dust seal for it, hopefully we will be able to do the job. Your videos are very educational and very well done. Fair play to you and thanks.
Sounds great!
I just followed your great instructional video on john deer hydraulic power steering rebuild. I’m ready to put it back in. My question is, I have a 1530 that lost all hydraulics. From what I understand is the pump feeds the steering first? I have taken the front pump off in front of the radiator and opened it up. It was clean and looked all good. I first lost steering to the left I believe it’s been awhile in my shop. Then after that bucket was erratic then quit. Shortly after was the 3 point. I have replaced all the filters and the bypass valve appears good. Now I did find somebody had changed the main filter so when I went to change it I found 3/4 of a gasket from and old filter that hadn’t been removed and somehow was working it’s way up into the tractor. I was able to get alot of it with needle nose. Just makes me wonder where the rest went. Anyhow it sat all last summer and most this winter and I just finished the steering column rebuild. I feel good about it. Went smoothly with your video. So the question lol. Would the hydraulic steering cause this? It didn’t leak out the top at all. Some of the main o rings were flattened out though. Also when tractor is running it makes a high pitched whining noise and sounds like it come from where the steering shaft is. That’s why I dug in there first. Sorry for the long question, just want to explain everything I know about it. Thanks Bob
To test if it was the steering causing the problem you can cap the pipe to the steering and see if the tractor problems go away. With the left over gasket possibly some got stuck in the bypass valve but if you clean the screen, change the filter and check the bypass valve you should be well on the way.
Great thank you. I just hooked up the column and ran out of time. Hopefully finish putting it together this weekend I’ll let you know how it goes.
Actually really enjoyed the video Lance, as I've had nothing to do with power steering pumps etc. Especially loved the 'but' at the beginning. Reminded me of the manuals that said remove bolt, pulley and......3 hours later, several bruised knuckles, lots of swearing, plus a trip to your mate to borrow a puller....sure you know what I'm on about lol.
My jd 2150 steering column was getting really hot. It just started leaking oil out the top. I’m soooooo glad I found your video. I’m ordering the kit now. Thank you sir.
Glad it helped
Hi, awesome video, many thanks for sharing your experience. The steering column is pissing oil from under the steering wheel on my 2120. I now feel confident in pulling it apart, great to know what to look out for. Cheers, Paul.
Go for it, its not that hard just make sure all of the oring grooves are really clean.
Thanks for taking the time to create this video. I may not have got my 300b back together without your video!
Glad it helped.
I know it's been two years since you did your 300B but where did you find your seal kit? John deere tells me the kit is no longer available. Did you get your kit from JD or an aftermarket supplier?
Getting ready to tackle those o-rings. Would no way even started but seeing your video series I'm confident I will be able to do it, with a little swearing if course. Thanks for putting this together.
You can do it! A little swearing is fine, even a lot of swearing is fine, lol.
Thanks for the video. This really saved me on my john deere. But as closely I followed the instructions in this video I ended up still having hydraulic fluid leaking from the seal at the base of the column where it flanges up to the tractor. Any idea what my issue might be? I cleaned the old gasket off with a razor blade and some fine sand paper to get it nice and smooth. The only thing I can think of is I didn't use liquid gasket, I only went back with fiber gasket from john deere. And I have gone back and made sure that the bolts are tight. Thanks for any help you can give me. Oh and the long welding rod bent at both ends worked like a champ!
Yes try the loctite 515 I find it works well there.
Thanks so much for that video it was really helpful, I replaced all the Orings in my 2150 steering column everything's still tight almost a year later but i think i got air in the column now, is there a way to bleed the steering column on that tractor
Great to hear!
Great video series, thanks! I'd vote for doing up the Massey-Ferguson steering column next!
That could be arranged I will have to see what I have available for the job. Sometimes I have to wait for a friends tractor to break down or buy stuff in to do the job. Stay tuned.
Thanks for the video, it helps me to see it come apart first. I have a 2130 with 146 loader that has a hydraulic pump chatter and every once in a while after running warm the hydraulic steering and loader controls shudder. Right now I have the rockshaft cover off to reseal the valves but everything looks alright. I did have a stream of oil flowing down from the rockshaft area when looking through the hydraulic fill hole but it turns out it was coming from the SCV valve being in the neutral position; I just found out from the operators manual that the SCV valve(s) needs to be in the forward position when using a loader. I am hoping that the shuddering hydraulics and chatter was from the SCV valve bleeding the oil in neutral. The next thing I am going to do is reseal the steering shaft if the problem continues. Thanks again and I like your vise looks like you built it yourself.
Try returning the SCV oil into the filter housing it will help the front pump keep up better. The 50 series has a ported filter bowl available that will fit the earlier tractors.
@@BundyBearsShed The tractor does have the ported filter housing for the loader return. The return oil for the SCV flows into the top right of the rockshaft cover (right beside the SCV) while inspecting through the hydro fill cap i could see a stream of oil from the SCV being in the wrong position. As an update to my rockshaft resealing, when I inspected further the rockshaft piston the gasket was crumbling apart, so I have one of those on order; could be related to the shudder.
i was watching the video on a jd tractor power steering. I have an early jd300 bachoe. I am impressed with your video on the steering. The backhoe when i bought it, when it was started would make a hard turn to the right. My question here is the shims out of place. or should there be the same amount of shims be in each segment? I have change the filters in the hydraulic system and change some hoses and for a period i lost hyd presure at the bucket and the steering. The steering is now locke in a straight ahead position. How can i fix this? Its tuff to find info on this old tractor. Any info would be greatly apprecitiated. Thanks very much for your vidieos.
The shims should just be enough to give clearance so the valves can both be closed at the same time. I usually tried to even them out.
I am replacing thw six o-rings in the steering column while the column is still on the tractor. What is the best way to get the old seals removed and the new ones in?
Sharpen a piece of stiff wire and bend it to 90 deg seems to work. When you think it is clean blow some compressed air in just to be sure.
Hello very helpful video, upon taking mine apart i discovered the shims were paper thin, does John Deere or aftermarket sale the shims and if so do you have a part number
John Deere does sell the shims, go to Jdparts it is a website with parts breakdowns for the JD range.
Thank you !!! Thank you !!!!! I finally found and older more knowledgeable parts man, and he got the shims I needed to me in 4 days.... Took about 20 phone calls to fine him. Do you have a segment showing how to overhaul the hydraulic pump on a John Deere 2020 or one similar?
No not yey but I have recently got a spare pump to do on camera but Im not sure when I will get to it.
Can the hydraulics on the front bucket and box blade work better after overhauling the power steering unit on a John Deere 2020 ?
Yes answer below.
Thanks Bundy for the very clear explanation. I am from the Netherlands . We have bought a John Deere 1140. And we have problems with the power steerig . So I got the steeringcollum apart. and find out that the 6 Orings inside were cooked. Now i have a question. Is the steeringcollum the same as a JD1640? It looks the same so i can see but i am not sure. Thanks again! Greets from us
G day Ronald, yes the steering columns are exactly the same so everything in my video will be the same as yours.
@@BundyBearsShed G day Bundy, thanks for the quick reaction, Now i go further. I let it know when i am ready with my project.
I have watched this video multiple times, and triple checked everything on the rebuild before re installing, and it is still spewing fluid out of the top do you have any suggestions or pointers on what I did wrong?
The main difference between our valves is yours has 3 holes and 1 hole and mine has the same number of holes on both valves. so how do I know which one is top and bottom if they are the same?
It’s a 1976 John Deere 2040
The top valve should not have the same holes as the bottom, the oil drains out the bottom. check the balls holding the valves in place are there. Years ago I got the valves mixed up and it leaked badly, I put them in the correct place and the problem went away.
My 2630 has a steel ring on the piston, that looks like a piston ring, instead of the o-ring and backers like you show in the video. Is this a newer thing? Everything is the same as the video, which was very good!
Steel was the older thing, with a gap in the ring or ring wear the newer o ring should seal better. (probably not last as long though, lol)
Mr. Bundy, I have a JD 2630 that is leaking around the bottom gasket. do thou think if i just pulled the steering column and replaced the gasket it would solve the leak or is the oil coming from a leak inside the column and need to be totally rebuilt? thanks for all your advice and sharing your wisdom!! the videos are awesome!
Gaskets do leak if the column comes loose and at times they do.
i watched a vid like this one a bit ago the other guy was much better looking ;) thanks for sharing.
Better looking? not possible lol
Thanks for excellent video. I have a question though on my John Deere 3130 model. How can I test the stearing gears (Part Number T28697 and T26669) are worn out. My tractor 3pt hitch has no power to lift the plow. I am suspecting that the transmission input pump is not working because the stearing are worn out. Thanks for your help.
You could block the steering pipe and see if the problem gets better, If it does the problem is in the steering but if it is still the same lift cover leaks internally or filter etc.
great video.....I love learning from you Bundy
Awesome! Thank you!
Great video Lance, I was able to follow along and just replaced the seals with the column still in place on my 2140, reassembled and had no leaks, but the column seemed to heat up, and my overall hydraulic efficiency seemed to decline. What might cause this? Is it possible the 6 inner seals are not properly aligned on the valves and their is some oil slipping by? What do you think might this be?
G day Daryll, It is possiblr to get them in the wrong place but usually there is a leak almost straight away or steering not working very well. They do get quite warm, listen for your hydraulic pump coupler to get noisy when nothing is being used and for the coupler noise to go away when a hydraulic function is being used. If it makes a noise not much is wrong.
just bought a 2030 with no power steering what do I need to do to put power steering on this machine ?
thanks
great video!
Find a good second hand power steering column and run a hose to power it Would be about all.
Bundy Bears Shed
Thanks !
Appreciate it !👍
@@BundyBearsShed
good, could you tell me how many pumps a jon deere 1640 uses in the rear
Awesome Series! Thank you.
Great videos Lance. My 30 series steering jerks intermittently and am not sure which video to follow , steering column or front yoke.David
I would think jerking may be in the column but it is hard to say.
@@BundyBearsShed Thanks I will go down that route first thanks for your clear and helpful video
very good videos, I have a 1020 but I doubt there's much difference. Can the power steering column replace a manual column on a 1020?
Yes I think it should be ok as long as you can grab the hydraulic supply.
Hey Lance , after hours of wrestling those 6 Ö"rings inside the column, the best way was to wack them in the freezer for a few hours. So much easier with way less cursing
I had never thought of that.
Where do you get the 6 metal shims? Your video is very helpful, I just can't find replacement shims or part number for them. Thanks
Look up the JDparts web site, Im away so dont have access to it.
Great Job Mr. Bear! Only have one Question , at the bottom of the housing you mention checking to see that balls are there, what if they are not there? Are there springs behind them?
In the valve body yes on the ones that line up with the valves, no springs for other oil passage drillings.
@@BundyBearsShed All good , Thank you very much for your fast response and even more for your most informative videos, that said. upon disassembly My center piston , instead of oring with the backer on each side that the piston in the video has has a steel ring . Have you seen this before ? Is this a bad design? This is off a 401c , a yellow machine. the steering was working fine, just has small leak under the wheel and a large leak out of the gasket where column mounts to chassis. Would you suggest putting it back together with the steel ring?
I think it would be ok.
good, could you tell me how many pumps a jon deere 1640 uses in the rear
1 transmission pump that supplies oil as charge pressure to the front pump on the engine.
@@BundyBearsShed Does that tractor have an internal pump that supplies oil to the pump that goes in front of the engine?
yes I show it in my video series.
hi, great video it helped a lot! i replaced the sealings and all worked well. today the sealing under the steeringwheel popped out... should i open all again to see if its all ok inside or is it enough to press and glue the sealing back in place?
Open the top out again, no need to pull the whole column out just undo the big nut and screw and to the top.
@@BundyBearsShed thx i try, i hope there is nothing wrong inside 🤞👍
Great video Lance, it's helped me immensely. You wouldn't happen to have a part number for replacement springs for the valve piston would you?
Glad it helped, no but have a look at JDPARTS.com
I have a 2840 is this the same kit for this model? I have oil coming from the top of the steering column. I replaced the seal but it has started pouring again. So you think it’s just the o rings or more? Thanks Marty
Yes I believe so.
Just doing this for the 3rd time with the steering column. Everything is the same as yours but on top of the column is a threaded piece which is part of the column and is a couple of inches long. The threaded part under the wheel which threads into the column is the same as yours but this one has a secondary piece that threads into the column with a small length of threaded pipe in it with another o-ring. The best way to remove this is with a pipe wrench only discovering this after fabricating a tool to remove it internally with two protrusions which catch on the inner threaded part. Would have been much easier to use a pipe wrench. I painted it yellow to differentiate it from the rest of the column.
Yes some had the extended housing and originally I made a longer spanner just for that.
i have a question. I just rebuilt my steering column as you did in the videos. However, once I re-installed it the tractor will only turn left and back to center. It will not turn right without considerable effort. What did I do wrong on the re-build? Does this column need to be bleed? I cannot find any information about how to bleed it. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
G Day Doug, No bleeding needed apart from turning left to right a few times. Is it possible you put one of the valve bodies in up side down?
I discovered what happened. I left the spacer under the adjuster. when I turned the wheel left it pulled the piston too far. this in turn caused the dog bone to break the piston shaft. now I have to filigree how to remove a chuck of metal from the transmission. any thoughts on how to do this?
no not straight up
Do you have a video showing how to rebuild hydrostatic steering on a John Deere 2755 cab tractor? Would appreciate any help can get. Thanks
G Day Ann, No, I have not had one to do since starting the videos
Great video, Lance! Thank you for sharing your wisdom. When this is reinstalled, does it need bled, or will it self bleed any air out of it?
G Day brefos13, This will self bleed just turn full left and right a few times and it should all come good. Turn it reasonably slowly.
Thanks Lance! Working on a 2030. Your videos were very helpful - very detailed.
Harika bir video öncelikle teşekkür ederim. Türkiye den yazıyorum jd 2130 traktörüm var aynı direksiyon takılı ama boşluk çok fazla ne yapabilirim 🙏
The column should move up and down to work the valve so your power steering works.
Hi lance, recently I purchased a 3130 tractor. My tractor steers itself, ill be mowing and it will turn left without me turning the steering and its impossible to catch it quickly. Any advice would be greatly appreciated as this is making mowing embarrassing as I can’t do a straight line thanks
I think you need to pop the column off like I did here, You could have a loose piston.
You helped me repair an 1840, thanks. Seems to have a whine. Will the air work it's way out?
Yes air will go
Works great now. Thank you so much..you don't know how happy the old guy is, he got his tractor back..👍
I have a 2040 John Deere with open center hydraulics
Would the steering column be the same as the video???? Thanks
Yes exactly the same if it has the cast column and not hydrostatic steering.
It looks just like the one in your video.
The power steering is not working but the lift works fine. Hoping my problem is in the column
Thanks
did you show us the david brown ? thanks for sharing :)
No It is just a shit box I am wrecking, guards are rusty and the engine was apart when I bought it
Gracias me fue de gran ayuda mis respetos para usted
Glad to help.
I have the same tractor 1640
It was leaking from the top seal.
I replaced it but it started to leak with the new seal too.
Would there be a lower seal that is bad that would do this?
Yes there is 6 orings along the shaft that might be worn.
Thanks great vid.i did hear you say that in the video after lol.
I will check it out.
Thanks again
This makes is so clear, thank you. BUT my tractor is a JD 3020. Is there anything so different or more complicated that I might mess it up, or not have tools to do this? Also, the dealer prices for o-rings is $130! Surely there's gotta be a more affordable route. I'm fixing my tractor so I can sell it--gotta keep costs down. Thanks again!!!
I think the 3020 is the same
@@BundyBearsShed Thank you
What is the most likely cause of excessive play in the steering wheel
They do need some to work the hydraulic valves, it will go up and down a few mm.
The half clockwise free steering is ok ?
My 1950n have free half clockwise steering its make hard road driving
Sometimes i cant control the tractor on the road its start going right and left
Someone can help please
The free play is adjusted with the shims on the valve bodies, there has to be some free movement as when you look at the steering wheel it will rise and lower a little to work the valves. If your steering is very sloppy it is probably not in the column but the bolt on the pitman arm can come loose and the bell crank under the radiator gets sloppy.
@@BundyBearsShed what is the tolerance for the steering wheel rising and lowering
Thanks great video
Thanks Bill
Hey Bundy Bears Shed I need to know how to get those last two o rings in if there’s a trick to it or what I’m having trouble Thanks!
I meant two out of the six!
No just work them around they can be like chasing your tail at times.
Is it possible to repair that there is no barren movement?
No as it needs to go up and down to work the valves.
My 1971 1020 has 90 degrees of steering wheel turn before it starts to move the wheels. I pulled the piston and the steering shaft thinking there was a problem. Looking at the end of this video it appears that you have the same play. Now I feel stupid. Gonna put it back together today and hope I didn't ruin anything.
You should be ok. It needs some movement to work the valves.
@@BundyBearsShed - You are right. Everything was in good shape and it all went back together well. Everything is as it was before. Thanks for the reply.
Cuantas oresion o psi maneja esa direccion
in the 2030, 2140 etc 2350psi. In a 50 series like the 2650 or 2850 2600 psi
Good stuff Lance 👍
What type of fluid goes in the steering case ?
Same oil as the back end.
Hey Bundy greatings from Germany, first thinks first...thanks for the video so grateful for. Now that i saw your video i rebuild my power steering because it was leaking on top of the housing since years no one could tell me whats wrong. immediately i noticed in your video there are two different valves as you mentioned t ( 3 and 1 holes). I reassembled all and everything is fine now, but there is still one thing if im driving or running the tractor and stearing left/right and then to the opposite there is a "deadzone" when turning the steering wheel where nothing happens , is there a correlation between the valves and the thin chims or is that another problem? Maybe you have an advice for me.
The dead spot is in these but to get it to be minimal the shims on the valves can be removed to set it correctly. If you get it too tight you will be chasing the steering as either the top or bottom valve will be open, so you want the both valves to shut but have very little slop.
@@BundyBearsShed oh thank you very much for the help, problem is mostly gone now. At the first time i though i have to put more shims in to get more resistence to steering. Now if i steering left or right the dead spot is smaller but there is a sound i am not familar with, it sounds like a valve is jumping into the right place but i think thats not possible.
@@LaFleur785 Hey Christian, I think I have the same problem with my 1130. Steering from full left to full right there is more and more "resistance" at some point, When you get over it there is a "clack" sound and the steering is smooth again. I am also looking for a solution.
@@thilograf1445 Hey Thilo, ich schätze du bist aus dem deutschsprachigem Raum?! Das Problem hatte ich auch, was ich raus gefunden habe, ist das mein Opa aus/mit 2 verschiedenen Ersatzteilbüchern gearbeitet hat. 820/920 und 1020/1120....Ventileinheiten vermischt, Einstellscheiben vermischt usw. Dann habe ich mir die Bücher genauer angesehen und fest gestellt, das z.b. die obere Ventileinheit das falsche war. Ich habe die Lenkung bestimmt 20x ein und ausgebaut und eingestellt bis ich dann festgestellt habe das lt. dem Ersatzteilbuch 3x Scheiben zwischen den Ventileinheiten auf der Spindel sitzen und nicht 2x. Dann auch die Ventileinheiten eingestellt mit den Ringen wie im Buch(1020/1120) abgebildet, 6 Ringe pro Ventileinheit....1 x "dickeren" dann 4 x die "dünneren" dazwischen" und wieder 1 x den dickeren. dieses "überspringen" fast weg aber nicht ganz. Also alles wieder ausgebaut und jeweils pro Ventil ein "dünneren" Ring durch einen ganz dünnen ersetzt und nun funktioniert alles wunderbar......bis jetzt :)
@@thilograf1445 Spindel aufgebaut wie folgt von unten nach oben.....dicke Scheibe->Lager->"Pyramidenscheibe"-> Ventileinheit+Hülse->3 Scheiben(statt 2)-> Ventileinheit+Hülse-> "Pyramidenscheibe"->Lager->"dicke" Scheibe->Schwarze Scheibe mit Einfassung für Sprengring->Sprengring->Schwarze Scheibe->Sprengring. Meine Spindel ist noch ohne Druckfeder. In diesem Video hat er z.b. Unten statt 3 Scheiben ein dickeres Scheibenpaket dafür oben weniger Scheiben und auch nur 2 Scheiben zwischen den Ventileinheiten anders als in meinem Ersatzteilbuch. Versuche zuerst das Ventilspiel so einzustellen mit den dünnen Ringen wie hier im Video beschrieben, in deinem Fall würde ich sagen je Ventileinheit 1 dünneren Ring zwischen den dickeren rausnehmen.
Can I send you a steering column off 2040 40 hp to get rebuilt
No Im away for a while, follow the videos and it should go ok.
Cambié todos los sellos y tiene vuelta y media de juego la dirección de Jhon Deere 2755 cuál será que hice mal
It does need soome play to work the valves but you can shim the valve neutral position to a bit tighter. The shaft onto the main pitmann armacan come loose as well.
Thank you so much for this 3 part series. I've got a 2020 with that steering column on it, and it's drooling out under the steering wheel. I made some notes and bookmarked this video, and am going to dive into it when I have the parts in hand. Looks really simple the way you explained it. To do it 'in-frame', just pull the top nut off and screw the top shaft with the valves off, then replace the six o-rings inside and whatever else I can get to, right?
Thanks again for your clear, well-made video.
Yes you can do it on the tractor for sure.
@@BundyBearsShed Turns out not that exact steering column. The shaft doesn't separate into two different parts, in other words it doesn't unscrew all the way. On top of that, the end under the wheel looks nothing like what you took apart there. I think I have an earlier version, maybe? There are two C clips on the top end of the stack of valves, and a shoulder at the bottom of the stack, no C clip. When I removed the valves, the whole shootin' match slid out the bottom (larger) hole. The valves have the o-rings in them (except for the one that came out in pieces that indicated to me I'm on the right track with what my problem is!) and the cast housing has rough recesses with machined shoulders that appear to line up with where those o-rings would ride. I've been going crazy looking for ANYTHING on the internet that looks like my setup, and the only thing I can find is that there's a serial number break somewhere around 40k and mine's 26817. Possible I have open-center steering on this tractor? Heck, it's possible it's not even a 2020 LMAO, just has a 2020's hood on it! If you have the time and inclination, drop me an email and I'll send you some pics of what I see that's different with mine, maybe you can point me to where to find a kit for it.
Just occurred to me, it could be that this is a column/valve off of a different tractor that physically fit on this one, but was never 'officially' used on a 2020. Possible?
Open center system. Fits exactly what the parts counter at the Deere dealer has on the computer there. No kit available, but all the o-rings and seals are available separately. Getting squared away now. Your vid is still very valuable to me, as I'd probably never have dug into it without watching! Thanks again!
I'm pretty sure I watched this before... messin with my head. LOL
you probably did but this is the final edit where we finish it off properly. lol
That explains why I remembered everything the the finish. Assumed I just got busy and missed that part. My sanity remains intact for another day... Thanks for taking the time to post these up. Always a pleasure.
good job well done ///////can you do one for a TEA the wheel and gears got out of wack some how and f/////ing to drive
Could be on the cards I will see what I have in stock, I do have a TEA20 an old 1948 one.
thats good same as the one i got ///well the motor is g/box is 50 something with a zephyr starter with mods
The steering shaft end play was stated to be 16mm to 13 mm. What if the end play was considerably more, for instance 25mm to 13mm. thats 12mm where in the example, it was 3mm.. Haven't disassembled column yet, dog bone stretched, or snap ring on valve shaft out or place. Please let me know.
pull the kidney plate off and have a look. Could be either.
Bundy Bears Shed Thank you so much sir. I think your videos are super informative, and genuinely presented! You are very appreciated !
How much oil to pour into the steering mechanizm?
It draws it from the transmission oil
I found the the c clip that holds the two spools completely disintegrated, and the lower c clip partially broke, I hoped that would have been my problem, but my steering still pops when I turn clockwise. What could be the problem?
Is the big piston loose?
Bundy Bears Shed no, it only pops when I’m using the power steering. If I shut it off and turn everything works like it should. I think I have a hydraulic issue. My drain tank hose blew off too, that shouldn’t be at that great of pressure to my knowledge.
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I believe somethings wrong with my hydraulics, I took a quick video explaining my problem
If you ever need the specs on a Deere o-ring let me know as I can usually pull them up. Same for bearings and seals.
John Deere 3130 Etc Pwer Steering Column
Yes it fits many
What type of fluid goes in the steering case ?
Same oil as the back end.