The History of JAZZ (in twenty minutes)
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- Опубліковано 25 кві 2023
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Andy is a drummer, producer and educator. He has toured the world with rock legend Robert Plant and played on classic prog albums by Frost and IQ.
As a drum clinician he has played with Terry Bozzio, Kenny Aronoff, Thomas Lang, Marco Minneman and Mike Portnoy.
He also teaches drums privately and at Kidderminster College
Jazz isn’t dead. It just isn’t ‘cool’ anymore in the context of pop culture. But art isn’t a popularity contest. Jazz is still the greatest art form to ever emerge from America, and that fact won’t ever die.
that's not true, jazz is used all the time in pop culture. Samples in electronic music, soundtracks of movies, every hipster musician on craigslist cites Kind of Blue as an influence, etc. etc. Fusion is dead, that's all.
He didn’t say jazz was dead. He said that in and of itself, its not cool in pop culture. It isn’t, all the examples you gave are jazz as part of something else. Sampled in other music genres; soundtracks to movies; cited as an historic influence but the hipsters themselves don’t play pure jazz. You say fusion is dead but jazz really is only cool now if fused with something else. The examples you yourself gave prove that.
@@jimmycampbell78 I mentioned what other people do in popular culture. Lee Morgan is cool just neat, with nothing else.
The future of "Jazz", the future of modern music is Africa. The only exciting, interesting music is coming out of Africa right now because North American Black music (Rap/Hip Hop/Reggae) and American Pop is DEAD and soulless. Meanwhile, Afrobeat/AfroPop/Amapiano from South Africa, Nigeria, Ghana, Senegal, etc is EXPLODING. You can hear corporate brands using Afrobeat now to sell products...uh oh! Here we go again.
@@juniorjames7076don't say reggae it's from the Caribbean 🙄🤨
I would argue the power of jazz is that it has the power to influence all other forms of music. When its good it inspires other genres to push the envelope.
As a new sub, I’ve spent an inordinate amount of time on this channel. Stellar content, good sir. Thanks.
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You have made this point in other videos, but I think it bears repeating: Jazz is a globalizing musical moment. It is distinctly American in its origins, but it a cross pollination of earlier developments too. (Unlike any given swallow, Jazz can be and is both African and European. 😉) This goes on further with Coltrane and McLaughlin among others exploring Indian approaches to improvisation, the emergence of Latin Jazz, and the incorporation of Hip-hop into Acid Jazz. I wonder whether the long ongoing evolution of Jazz isn't tied directly to the effects of globalization in commerce and other aspects of culture. As culture becomes more and more globalized it becomes harder to find new elements that provide areas to grow. The improvisational aspect may be the most important thing that has kept Jazz somewhat alive for so long--spontaneity is by its nature somewhat new every time. Just a few thoughts arising from what you said.
The future of "Jazz", the future of modern music is Africa. In many ways its come full circle. The only exciting, interesting music is coming out of Africa right now because North American Black music (Rap/Hip Hop/Reggae) and American Pop is DEAD and soulless. Meanwhile, Afrobeat/AfroPop/Amapiano from South Africa, Nigeria, Ghana, Senegal, etc is EXPLODING. You can hear corporate brands using Afrobeat now to sell products...uh oh! Here we go again.
Jazz is not dead it is just fractured. I could list all the fractures but this would be an extremely long comment. And yes jazz is an American music but it has spread throughout the world. Why? Because jazz represents freedom, freedom to express without restrictions. It is no longer popular music but neither is clasical or rock and roll music. International jazz is new and different because it incorporates the musical traditions of their country. Every country from Iceland to Botswana has musicians creating jazz with the influence of their music traditions!
I will start off by saying their has been some great music and musicians since, but personally I feel it died as a living art form when Wynton and the Young Lions started revisiting different chapters in the history book of jazz.
Think the important strand of Jazz is really the free improvisation. The present moment expression. Over time the obstacles to that were discarded, playing 'outside', navigating changes, dropping changes altogether, and eventually you discard the layers of an identity so much that the identity of 'Jazz' sorta dissolves into the ether and its influence is heard in things like hip hop (freestyling) and spiritual music (channeled expression). You don't get to those places without Jazz, but they have transcended the identity of what we think of as Jazz. Perhaps people like Wynton and more modern exponents of Jazz realise this and harken back for the original 'identity' of Jazz, which is fine, but it won't be the same because they're not at the cutting edge of an expansion. It's a beautiful historical artifact that we can marvel over fondly, but Jazz in that form had it's time, and that particular flavour of music was added to the culture - and forever changed and infused itself into the culture in the way it was needed, until it transcended a 'form', and mixed in with all the other moving flavours.
Free improvisation remains the great legacy of Jazz and Blues, and that will still develop, people's hearts still connect with that i think
Great Video Andy.
I love how you can make a valid point and at the same time keep an open mind, willing to consider opposing points of view.
Strange how Jazz is supposed to be so free and improvised but ends up in Snarky Puppy and Kenny G.
snarky puppy isn’t really comparable to kenny g i feel like they’re a lot closer to being real jazz musicians
Popular songs on sheet music was also a medium for music distribution in the early 20th century. People would buy sheet music for their favorite songs, take it home and play it on the piano with the family gathered round. Also avant-garde before all out free jazz. Ornette Coleman's, Cecil Taylor's first couple of album still had a lot of swing in them. In that period, some hard bop artists put out some beautiful avant-garde albums that still retained the basic elements of bop with different harmonic structures. Even Coltrane's quartet albums before his all out free jazz, like A Love Supreme, Crescent, were the sweet spot of that period. The late free jazz was hard to listen to. You could close the books on jazz at the point.
"I don''t hear the distance traveled..." - well put, sir.
It's always interesting to listening to you, Andy 👍👊
Jazz is always fresh because of improvisation.
I have always thought of like this: Both, classical music and jazz, were a long movement from strict rules towards freedom from those rules. It took classic several centuries, and jazz only half a century. But when they freed themselves (more or less) completely from tonality, they lost their audience, they were no longer popular. At that point they both either turned back to their heritage, became music for scholars/academics or blended in with other - more popular - kinds of music. (And maybe arts in general walked that way.) And that’s fine. They have done, what had to be done. Now we can enjoy the variations in the claimed realm.
Jazz isn't dead....it just smells funky sometimes.
The Swing Kids of WWII Germany is an amazing story of resistance to bullies.
Brilliant! As a massive fan of Snarky Puppy, this has given some food for thought!
A very astute and accurate overview of jazz over the last 100 years. Thanks! Love the channel.
very interesting, what do you think about DoMi & JD Beck? to me they are a leap forward incorporating physical execution of sounds taken from Electronica & Drum and Bass
Another good one, Andy. Have you ever considered that the same exact argument you make about jazz can also be made about rock music?
Many of us think that rock music has exhausted its creative potential even more thoroughly than jazz, which has shown an ability to regenerate itself from its historical roots more convincingly than rock or any other genre of popular music. Of course, its possible that both are basically written out and become "archival" the way blues and ragtime are, but I have more confidence in the future of jazz, since it is by far the greater art form and is less dependent on the centrality of the voice and the song form which has always anchored pop music.
I wonder if it won't be 20 years from now before we really understand what's happening now. How did people receive the changes in jazz as they happened in the 20th century? Many stayed with the style of the decade and refused to move on. In our high school jazz appreciation class, we had someone who thought dixieland was the last real jazz. Hilarious, but for the fact that I'm stuck on fusion. 🤣
I still think Krhuangbin are a Jazz band and Cory Wong. As Frank Zappa once said "Jazz isnt dead it just smells a bit funny" That being said could it be as long as its played live with musicians whipping it out and improvising perhaps with their own compositions then its Jazz.
You know jazz is not dead, it just smells funny
I like it all. Jazz is a style. You now can study at music shools. Rock and Pop also. Punk is a behavior and a style. 3 Chord = a song. Hip Hop is a more technical Experimental. Elektronic is Sound. Techno and House are technical Groove. Improvisation is Jazz. But the good old Swing is popular dance music. The same as Techno today. There are no difference between the Terms of using it. Dance to it. But they sound different in our today ears. Jazz for me is also a music I like and listen too, but I ever said I cant play it. I am a Punk/ Rock musician. But I had also a Techno live Band in the 90s. I make my experimental homerecording stuff later and with 55 I start playing cornet and trumpet. Now I can play Jazz. Yes, this is the real experience. Now I came back to my love to Jazz. The old Jazz til 1950s. This is Jazz more as a sound and not a behavior. I don't want to say I'm a Jazzer. I am a Musician with Love to all interesting styles. Rocksteady, Ska, Roots, Punk, Rock, Electronic, Kraut, Jazz, Soul, Singersongwriter, Blues etc.
Jazz for me is Music and no Weltanschauung:-) Love, peace and harmony Bernward
Very interesting and insightful chat. Thanks.
Andy I am a big fan! You are doing a fantastic job!!!
I appreciate that!
I am collage artist and you had used some of my work! ❤😂
Let me know what I used and I will add a credit...messge me
You should do a video of hip hop Jazz. Interested in some musicians doing it well
Great insight, thanks for the video.
Freakin great video Andy! -- my two favorites things are jazz and Black Sabbath, not so much *prog* -- but this was much fun to listen to
Really enjoyed this, I am new to Jazz and this helped a lot.
Congratulations on surpassing the 10K Andy! Hope it is onwards and upwards from here. Nice whirlwind take on the history of Jazz, I agree that much of what is made these days seems largely shaped by what has been made in the past. ( when listening to recent fusion recordings I often find myself thinking 'why don't I just stick on an old George Duke album?). However the one thing that prevents me from announcing the death of jazz is that I'm unsure that a form that relies heavily on spontaneous improvisation can ever really die. Does improvisation breath new life into the form? Not sure. I wouldn't say that Jazz is alive and kicking but it might be premature to nail down the coffin lid and start shovelling the dirt.
Found your channel because of the viral one, but your other videos are brilliant. The Louis Armstrong one is my favorite. I know you can’t play more modern music on UA-cam, but you should look into making videos for Nebula. I’d love to see more videos where you enthusiastically annotate great music as it plays. Keep it up!
Also, I like jazz and prog!
Here’s a retort I thought of. Fusion happened because Rock music became the zeitgeist of music, as well as synths and all that. “Jazz” has always followed pop music. Today, the pop music world is still dominated by hip-hop. So yeah, jazz musicians are still playing hip hop influenced stuff. How can jazz musicians move past hip hop when pop music hasn’t either?
More discussion, Rock music has to learn and to accept that JAZZ music is here for all Time. Thanks
Perhaps next time , a history of Jazz with more(any?) mentions of Duke Ellington, Benny Goodman, Jack Teagarden, Coleman Hawkins, Bix, etc? ;)
Superb discussion Andy. And I agree - that jazz seems to have 'stalled'. IMHO Louis Armstrong and Charlie Parker divide the world of jazz between them. So far there seems to be no third.
Sorry, for a third comment in a row but you mentioned hip hop and it is in hip hop and its various sub genres where all the innovation is now in terms of groove. As you know Jazz is fundamentally one groove form. Hip hop uses that from time to time but so much more besides.
Jazz isn't dead. It just smells funny...FZ
"jazz is not dead... it just smells funny"
- Frank Zappa
You beat me too it.
Congrats on 10k subs.
Thank you
You gotta to mention Freddie Green on rhythm guitar when mentioning Basie’s rhythm section mate.
Sons of Kemet for me are the best example of jazz music still being new and innovative. Shabaka Hutchins can still deliver new ideas and take it to a new level.
I saw them in central park not too long ago, i heard they were breaking up. Thats a shame if its true
This capsule history was great. Thinking about our present situation, it seems to me that looking for this or that genre to continue innovating indefinitely is a fool's errand. The big story we're living through now is the dissolving of the very idea of genres. Questions of what is, or is not, jazz or prog are becoming increasingly irrelevant as boundaries between classical, jazz, rock, "world," and everything else become so porous they're rendered meaningless. What "genre" was "Promises," the record Pharaoh Sanders, the London Symphony Orchestra and Floating Points made a couple of years ago? The question makes no sense. I've got a whole bunch of jazz and prog albums I still love to listen to, but they are music of the past just as surely as my favorite Charlie Patton albums are - they're not what is happening today.
We all like music close to the Nuclear Reactor. Very exciting creative times.
Today's jazz is further away from that explosion and into darker, less turbulent matter. Today's cats are experienced, knowledgeable, quietly dangerous with humble power. Jazz is very much alive (nothing to do with computers even).
Snarky, Glasper, Chris Dave etc are fantastic albeit today's Muzak compared to what else is going on in jazz today. Hundreds of jazz albums come out each year, I'm sure at least 20 of them could really blow your socks off in unexpected ways
I think it's tough for jazz musicians now because there are 100 years to master. In the 40s, you needed to know New Orleans and swing. Now? Sheeet. But there are some guys who seem to know the entire history and can breathe fresh life into it. Emmet Cohen and his buds at his rent party thing on UA-cam seem to do that. It's sort of familiar but also seems brand new. It's probably not the kind of innovation you're talking about?
"Wearing suits" is a metaphor for technical prowess.
Three jazz (or jazz-adjacent) groups I find interesting are Sungazer, which is a bassist (Adam Neely) and a drummer, as well some extra musicians for touring; the other groups is House of Waters, which is a drummer, a bassist, and a hammered dulcimer player-- an astounding one at that. This group in particular isn't quite jazz, but isn't quit prog or folk either. They are very interesting, and as a hammered dulcimer player myself, I'm blown away by the dulcimer player's skills and true musicianship. The last group (duo) is Domi and JD Beck. I'm sure many of you have already heard of them. I actually do not like their sound, but they are young (like me) and doing something interesting with their music that appeals to younger audiences. I expect their next album to be more mature and refined compared to their debut album, which was good, but a bit unremarkable.
Adam Neely??? Adam Neely??? Is that the know it all chap with the rubbish UA-cam?
All I know is that Seattle and Portland have a fairly lively jazz scene. I love what some call the west coast sound. However, it seems to be in transition to some degree. I frequent the local jazz clubs regularly and there is definitely some interesting stuff going on. It seems to be modernizing. That is to say with modern influences.
Did a quick search of the comments and didn't see them mentioned, but Medeski, Martin & Wood are an example of modern (started in the early 90's and still going) jazz that is innovative and pushes the form. They did have their hip-hop phase (1 album) but have evolved quite a bit since then. Not sure how much "distance" you would think they cover but they are one of my favorite current bands. Another one from the same era would be Club D'Elf. That band has a bi-monthly residence in NYC and is centered around the bass player with a constantly rotating cast of musicians. Curious what you think of these two bands.
The "tyranny of chord changes" is a fantasy. No one ever forced people to improvise on the structure of cheesy pop songs. Miles Davis wasn't jailed when he went modal.
But he was beaten badly by the police after he released Kind of Blue.
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I don't think he was beaten for releasing Kind of Blue.
My 10years old kid have an opportunity to partake jazz-club. What would be the one thing I teach her before going there? She might play clarinet or saxophone, or trumpet.
Jazz is listened to by an exceedingly small number of people on a regular basis, maybe less than 1% of music listeners listen to "jazz" , but for me it's still the most interesting form(s) of music ever created. Paul de Barros (Icons Among Us, DVD 2008) argues that Jazz was successful in the 50s and 60s , to some degree, because the music was tied to the society, politics and culture of the time, that's the point that Wynton makes as well. But do we need to try to categorize jazz, like this ? Jazz is pretty much what doesn't fit neatly into other categories and yes, there are inventive, creative muscians out there who are doing things differently and still using improvisation. Do musicians want to go out on a limb these days and risk not having an audience for their music ? Making money out of records is very difficult these days for Jazz musicians in particular, so their money comes from gigging and that's probably where you'll find the most interesting stuff going on. But the era of big name artists making any kind of money out of jazz is probably finished along with the potential for reaching mainstream audiences. As Andy has said, people tend not to tune into his jazz videos and I suspect that muscians don't bother to put stuff on YT if they think it won't have an audience.
A couple of people from the 80s and 90s that you might like to investigate are Henry Threadgill and David Murray. Threadgill has been to some very interesting musical spaces and continues to explore. Murray's work with his Octet and with WSQ represents a consolidation of free jazz with earlier forms. Lester Bowie was another such innovator.
Good to hear at least a mention of Frisell, but he does continue to innovate. John Zorn is another one.
I can give you 2 examples of innovative creative contemporary Jazz musicians. Pat Metheny and Terrance Blanchard. Check out Terrance Blanchard’s recording “Abscence” and Pat Metheny’s recording “Offramp” as 2 good examples of living jazz.
Offramp is 40 years old
Musical forms have various elements that can be played with (tempo, volume, etc), and generally this has been done to death. It certainly has in rock. What I want are great songs and great performances. As a general rule, I think a band should play together, and see what happens in the moment. Find your voice, and love it.
As to whether jazz is 'dead', its important to point out that jazz and contemporary classical music are technically exactly the same as to what they are trying to achieve in that they are trying to break out from diatonic harmony. Even works by artists like Chopin in his later work started to be vague as to what key the music was in. Nobody talks about how classical music is dead because the average person on the street thinks that classical musicians only play 300 year old music and dont compose anymore. There are people who compose modern classical music but there is almost no interest in it because it breaks the threshold chaos the same way that jazz music has been fractured into a million pieces with atonality.
Schönberg disassembled music and no one has been able to put it back together again. Bad boy ;)
Seriously, can you imagine inviting your friends over for drinks and putting on Schoenberg in the background? Thats a good way to get rid of 'friends' you dont like.
Andy, you are the jazz cat of You Tubers.
I don't see anything wrong with playing all the old stuff. Swing, big band, Bebop, free jazz fusion it'd all amazing in any era. I think individualisation and freedom of creative expression is important.
Great history summary. Has (modern) jazz being created today lost the groove, pocket or feel? Re Weather Report; which do you prefer Dara Factor One or Dara Factor Two? Also, any views on Miles Davis and On Green Dolphin Street?
Id like to hear your views on Quincy one day.. Many thanks for the listen.
I really like Robohands by the way
Have you listened to any 'Kneebody'?
Yes
I will love to see you do video on Billie Holiday One of the Great jazz Singer of all times.
No mention of Pat Metheny Group?
Awesome prog playlist on Spotify! 🤘 But! Where’s the Animals as leaders and Plini?
My 2 cents on jazz being dead. I feel like your point of view is probably accurate. But I feel like it’s more of an evolution than death. In the “traditional” sense, jazz is dead in that it hasn’t made any huge jumps or adaptations in the genre itself, but spores of jazz have spread to other genres (such as prog ie. Animals as leaders) and have completely altered the genres it’s been fused with. Their DNA has been combined to create what I feel could definitely be considered jazz but only if you look past traditional definitions. Jazz has truly become free because it’s grown beyond itself. ✌️
The future of Jazz, the future of modern music is Africa. Its come full circle. The only exciting, interesting music is coming out of Africa right now because North American Black music (Rap/Hip Hop/Reggae) and western Pop in general is DEAD and soulless. Meanwhile, Afrobeat/AfroPop/Amapiano from South Africa, Nigeria, Ghana, Senegal, etc is EXPLODING. You can hear corporate brands using Afrobeat now to sell products...uh oh!
Even as a non-jazz devotee or expert it's obvious that jazz like EVERY other genre went into steep decline with a near total loss of innovation and songwriting in the 90s. Also, Snarky Puppy and the like are tear inducingly tedious.
I honestly believe that jazz actually began when African musicians went to Europe to study classical music and then went back to Africa and combined classical music with African rhythms. I believe that this is actually the root of jazz, even though no music was called jazz until the mixture of classical music with blues became prominent in New Orleans. Some musicians, like Miles Davis, don't care for the term "jazz."
Perhaps jazz musicians have plumbed all of the available parameters that the evolution of human civilization has presented up to this time. Since innovations in art come from people and you won't see it in art until you first see it in the souls of people... what could possibly be the next step in the evolution of human consciousness? This is the kicker Andy... to the degree that the evolution of mass human consciousness is contingent upon struggle, calamity, catastrophe, oppression and inhumanity... do we really want another mass evolutionary shift that would inevitably manifest in art and culture? In actuality, I think these things are largely out of our control.
Jazz, as you've outlined, came out of deep calamity, struggle, oppression and inhumanity. This is common to humanity and appears to be at the root of art. It's not the whole tree but it's definitely in the root system. That's the whole thing with man... the tree and branch systems try suicidally to distance themselves from their roots... thus, the blues and other artistic lamentations.
Modern Creative,Smoothjazz,Electroswing, Acid,Downtown,NuJazz,EthnoJazz,Neotraditional, Neoclassic,M Base,...the walls are full in the record stores..... record stores?
good points. I agree that jazz as a form started to stagnate around 20-30 years ago, yet there are people making great jazz as we speak. Snarky Puppy remind me of Weather Report in terms of their compositional style but I absolutely love how they remould it into a bigger collective sound. and some jazz from the 50s/60s/70s sound as exciting today as when it was recorded. good summing up of the history of jazz without mentioning Miles at all!
The widespread use of radios in many ways is like the widespread use of internet in the sense that people were able to listen to much wider variety of music than before. The radio resulted in rock and roll and the internet resulted what? I don’t know. Dead forms ?
Drum and fife + blues + bach + Scott Joplin = Progressive blues ...Jazz? What do you think about that Andy?
Jazz is brilliant music. Louis Armstrong and Billie Holiday first two superstars of jazz lay the foundation for the future. like Charlie Parker milles Davis.
Andy, your takes are always thought-provoking. I don't necessarily agree with you, but thought-provoking nonetheless. As a musician yourself, perhaps you are looking for a different thing from jazz than I do. You seek innovation and pushing the envelope. As a non-musician, I just want it to sound good. Many of the innovations you mentioned (like free jazz or hip hop influenced jazz) don't sound good to me. I listen to more traditional sounding music because it's what I like. I don't need or seek innovation in my music.
My most recent jazz purchases include Ahmad Jamal (may he rest in peace) but also some Louis Cole, based on his mentions on your channel. I also have been enamored lately with Scott Henderson, an older saxophonist, who sounds very traditional, as well as Diego Rivera. Much that you would call innovative seem to me to be an assault on my ears. LOL Jazz music, to me, has strayed to far from traditional instrumentation into the sphere of electronics. I don't like electronic drums, or processed vocals, or too many synthesizers or the latest production tricks. I want to hear a melody and the artistry of the musicians, which is often now covered up by production. That's not innovation.
Yeah I hear you here. This song by Emmet Cohen is over 100 years old. But it sounds amazing. The video has 1.2 million views. There is something innovative here even if it's not the big jump of swing to bebop or bebop to modal or modal to free. ua-cam.com/video/984ksjle4YA/v-deo.html
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Well folks, I’ll believe what I heard from WW1 veterans about the origins of jazz in this country, it was not born in New Orleans but adopted by musicians from there. The original jazz was a form of music developed in France, by black musicians and brought too this country from France. Give credit where credit is due.
Interesting....
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer I find the words of persons involved more believable than people born 50 years later....This society has a history of fraudulent claims.
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Great video! A few comments:
1. There's no doubt that the improvisational character in jazz is very much influenced by the same kind of virtuous playing in late romantic music.
2. The addition of the personality and the groove is invented by black musicians which were much less conservative and didn't care changing the origin sounds of the instruments like the cornet, trombone, clarinet, trumpet, bass and drums.
3. The word Jazz means that kind of dance where you move your "butt".
4. You have to add the other genres which interacted together with Jazz and blues along the 20th century: Country, jug bands, gospel, irish music, african music, modern classical, rock'n roll, pop etc.
5. Jazz was born and has always been a fusion style. Never really pure. Always fusing genres and styles. It stopped innovating after the world music era of the 90's. This is why it is stagnating now. No new styles to interact with.
6. Cinema has gone through an amzing century. Look at what's going on now? It's the same. The problem is not music. It's all over. And we cannot blame digital recording or electronics. We thought VHS would kill cinema but there were amazing movies in the 80s. Films are shot superbly today. Better than ever. Great imaging. Poor storytelling and characters. The end of cinema as we know it....
I hear a lot of new jazz music which could not have been played in the seventies or eighties. But that jazz is coming from individuals who create their own world and they are not been copied by others so there is not something emerging which could be called a new style. But that's a good thing. It creates a lot of diversity but for a lot of critics, who need a certain amount of generalistion in their writings to pretend that they recognise the overall picture of a certain period of time......well they can't find that overall picture and that leads to the misunderstanding that there is not something new or original anymore. There is, but it's created by individuals who don't have followers.
Snarky Puppy - Very Safe Music!
I agree. Today's Muzak relative to the heavyweights of today
Where instruments for Jazz came ? I know - read years ago . After American - Spanish War ( 1898) - tons of wood instruments and trumpets , drums get in hands of Black people .
Has Jazz stopped evolving? Yes, probably, and it would be a wonder if it had not. Music never stops evolving but genre names do appear, stick to those who were part of its first wave, then are replaced by others.
When a genre is successful enough to spawn subgenres, like Jazz, Rock or even Metal, it gets to cover one or two more generations, then it also gets frozen in the past of its perceived height. This is why Jazz is now mostly stuck in the be-bop scheme and "Classic Rock" will keep going back to the 70s. Dad Rock and Grandpa Jazz are not getting a new audience. What does will have a different name.
You make mention of rap being a child of jazz. I would not say thats true, what I would say is that jazz and rap are both forms of folk music. What is folk music? Its not Bob Dylan or Peter, Paul & Mary who did commercialized immunizations of 1930s folk music. Folk music literally means "people's music", its music that people play for themselves and not for public entertainment. Jazz musicians at the turn of the century got tired of playing music off a piece of paper in unison with a band and wanted the freedom to improvise and interpret music on their own. So it became music to be played at small clubs for people who wanted to hear good music and not just have music to dance to. Rap on the other hand was a rebellion against both melody and harmony in music. It invented by poor blacks in the ghetto as their own form of music that did not require any musical training or having to learn to play an instrument. Im sure there are plenty of people who love rap music who will argue this point and say that I am just a musical bigot and that I cant hear the musical complexity going on. I dont at all deny that music can be complex without being in a diatonic key. But the fact is that rap music has to be monotone and repatriate by design, because once the artist breaks out of that it becomes melodic and will be compared with other melodic music. I dont like rap for this reason. Im not saying its not possible to have great talent in making rap, of course there is a lot of creativity and style in rap. But overall its music for people who cant afford to learn music.
Jazz was improvised music. It was improvised, not because musicians "got tired of playing off paper" or "needed to express themselves", but because that was the only way of playing background music in brothels for hours without running into a loop that would have bored them to death.
Interesting fact Jazz started in whore houses to entertain the clients. Stopped them Jazzin around.
@@Leo_ofRedKeep Whats funny is most people dont know how correct you are, like people dont know that prostitution was legal in New Orleans and that there were high rise building in New Orleans for prostitution. Kind of funny how no one knows where music came from in america.
Prog, Metals, Punk, Fusion, Swamp, Funk, Jazz, they're just bins to stick them in. And they're all Dead, basically, not just Jazz. You touch upon digital recording techniques being the standout signature of modern players - well there's the culprit bang to rights. Since mixing and production went digital the spontanaeity and inspiration left the building, Jeez even 'live' musicians stand there like androids hooked up to a click and pre-recorded drop-ins.
We had it all in c.1978: sublime talents and the means to transcribe their sound for the masses but digital technologies have sterilised the germ, leaving nostalgia the only real artform in a field of facsimilies.
OK that's blunt and direct, but I haven't got twenty minutes ;)
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Some fertile ground in this corner here. Nice
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I love a pronunciation Nazi....
Listen to Polyphia
I haven't heard "Afro-American" in like, 40 years. Jazz and blues are siblings. Jazz wears a suit and blues wears whatever it wants. Ginger Baker started out in suits and those photos are hilarious. It is obvious that Ginger is insane, in a suit. I tried to keep up with the"race-designations" throughout the decades and I realized that race is an illusion . I settled on African American about 30 years ago and stuck to that for practical communication. I won't do the sibling's (blues') story right now. Yes, Rock and Roll, technically, started in the thirties and was called Rhythm and Blues. Lots of big bands would get really primal in their sets and hard swing ruled the world. The National Socialists in WWII (Schnatzeez)
even created a radio-oriented swing band as swing music was so popular, even among German soldiers, sailors, and airmen. I forget the long German name however despite their technical prowess they couldn't swing to save their lives. Johnny Otis, father of Shuggie Otis (Strawberry Letter Number 23) fronted a rockin' swing band in L.A. in the 50s. Lines were blurred. Lots of jazz players were hired to play for rock and blues musicians, mostly the horns.
The only real jazz today is improvisational, free jazz and it has turned a lot of people away from jazz.
Its because the internet destroyed the soul of the youths culture. After the 90s nothing is cool. Perhaps A.I. will be the next thing.
P.s. The Blues is not dead.
I have played enough of it to have an opinion
I see you’re still disrespecting McLoflin……
True Story - I have been diagnosed mentally challenged by the state of California and the Federal Government of the U.S.A. and social security pays my rent. I'm not making this up.
Jazz invented improvisation?
Sorry Andy, go back and think about how much music there was in the world in the millenia before 120 years ago and how much of that was improvised.
If you think that there was only classical music before jazz then you are ignoring what was going on in communities around the world for thousands of years.
Jazz was simply one (of many) forms at the beginning of the recording age.
I love your passion but don't let that blind you to the truth that Jazz was just the form that the music business - because that is what it was - decided it could sell.
Jazz is a commercial product in the same way that Coca-cola is.
Spot on. Improvisation is the easy way to fill up time, not "the expression of freedom" or "the glorification of individuality".
When musicians got jobs playing background music in the brothels of New Orleans, improvisation was the natural way of filling up the time slots without boring themselves and their employers to tears and that skill transferred to residencies in clubs.
When the LP turned up, it made it possible for bands to record an album in a day.
Jazz did not invent improvisation, Indian Classical music for example uses improvisation. But what Jazz did was to embed improvisation into it's basic structure, combined with an individual voice, that had never been done before.
The future of Jazz, the future of modern music is Africa. The only exciting, interesting music is coming out of Africa right now because North American Black music (Rap/Hip Hop/Reggae) is DEAD and soulless. Meanwhile, Afrobeat/AfroPop/Amapiano from South Africa, Nigeria, Ghana, Senegal, etc is EXPLODING. You can hear corporate brands using Afrobeat now to sell products...uh oh!
If you want your argument to stand then you have to give examples of artists to give a full context of what you mean. I need to be able to go and listen to their work and understand what you're talking about. Basically you have to name names unfortunately.
I don't want a copyrite strike though
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer You don't have to play it on your channel. You could just mention them. Then we could go check it out in whichever streaming service.
This is why I do top tens here. I will try in the future, its a good idea to have a little note that appears with a link to the tune on UA-cam.
John Mclaughlin
King of unlistenable music
Yes...stuff like this, what a racket ua-cam.com/video/4gN-AiOB3v8/v-deo.html
I think players all sounding the same is more of a problem from a recently bygone era in jazz. If you listen to contemporary contemporary jazz players the big thing is looking for new rhythms, soundscapes and styles. Along with that is less of a spotlight on meandering solos and more of a spotlight on composition/originality
......THE NARCISSISM IN THIS WORLD IS TOO DAMN HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
............"create your own sound" = "discovering" A MELODY THAT IS UNIVERSALLY RECOGNIZED like TWINKLE TWINKLE LITTLE STAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT HOW RANDOM YOUR SCALES AND ARPEGGIOS ARE AND WHAT "melody" "exists" in the "negative space" between your diminished cords....... THAT SH1T = NOISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TOO MANY TECHNICALLY TALENTED BUT MELODICALLY CHALLENGED "jazz" "players".........................YOU'RE JUST PRACTICING SCALES AND ARPEGGIOS!!!!!!!!!!! THAT'S NOT "music" that's STATIC SNOW ON A TV / NOISE ON THE RADIO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TUNE IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!