I know I'm several years late. Im a Honda tech. The valet function is actually at the tip of the key. I have no idea why that one slot is left open. In every lock I have rebuild that has been empty.
These locks are so trash, locked me out of my car in several occasions and I've had to replace Honda's shitty actuators so many times. Honda used to be a reliable car
@@quickdiy8127 Also a honda tech like these two guys, but just FYI, the door lock actuator is actually separate from the door lock in this video and has nothing to do with the actual key part of the automatic door lock.
@@eg1kid1 I know but Honda used plastic clips that get brittle in a few years. And don't sell the plastic pieces seperate. Their engineering and quality is really shit. Also the locks wear out too so you're locked out on several occasions
It's hard to believe picking locks could be so fascinating, but you make it so. I've watched and watched your videos and never cease being amazed at your knowledge, skill and You Tube presenting professionalism. We see only your hands and hear only your voice and yet you have millions of subscribers and folks like me who are just plain amazed at your channel. Well done.
I’m impressed...again. I’m going to put it out there that maybe a great challenge would be to have the customer looking over your shoulder and asking every 30 seconds, what’s taking you so long.
Seeing my keys staring back at me in your thumbnail made me nervous, but you taking over 2 minutes to pick a lock means it's super difficult for normal people!
Dude, awesome job! I have never actually picked these before, and didn't know they were even possible to pick! You are correct about the trunk, glove box, doors, ignition, ect. Ignition will obviously require the most tumblers for security. Unfortunately the Honda split tumblers tend to bend where they ride on the key, and then the keys quit working. Older Pilots are notorious for it. I swear I did like 3 a month back in the day... awesome pad lock as well. Thanks for showing!
I know I'm three years late, but I'm still driving a 2003 Honda Pilot to this day. Well, to a few months ago. Never had any problems with the locks other than the glove box lock and it being possible to bypass. I don't know the specifics about it, and I can't replicate it anymore because the left glove box's hinge broke off and the bolt retaining it also came off and fell onto a gravel road without me noticing. Do you know in what situations they tend to bend so I can avoid bending it?
Actually I'm from 4 years in the future when you do an impreza picking video, you explain the traps of the need to double pick. However in that video you only explain that you need to pick it shut. I'm just here to see what the lock looks like inside :) very neat
You may have become my hero... I just lost my only keys to a 1989 Mercedes 300se which appears to be a split wafer. If I can pick it I can replace it cheap, if I can't it's a carbide drill and a bunch of expensive parts...
today i got my first Covert pick set. in the first hour, i've developed a decent skill in picking 3 of my locks. a week, i hadn't conceived of me being interested in it. it began with a random vid from McNally being in my recommendations. it's an unexpected but yet fun hobby so far. who knew?
I had a Honda Element for several years with that key type. I never had a problem with anything except the starter. To change it out the engines exhaust system had to be entirely disassembled to remove the bad one and install the replacement! There’s a roomful of “smart” engineers I’d like to share my opinion about their parentage with!!
A lock he can't open in 20 seconds or less? MY GODS! Have we finally found a core that might actually be worth using to protect your valuables?!? At least something that will slow down a crook?
@@CaedmonOS not going to work, most of those years use ignition interrupt chips in the keys. What happens is that the car will turn over, catch for a second, and then immediately die as the interrupt circuit instructs the ECU to cut all fuel flow to the engine. I'm a Honda salesman,and we've actually have a rash of trades with failed interrupt chips in their keys. It isn't the biggest issue in the world (we're a Honda dealer, so it's pretty easy for us to get the code from Honda and program a new key), but it's annoying when you're trying to delivery a used car to a customer and the car refuses to stay started. As a side note, the new keyless fobs are about as bad. Same interrupt system, but it's based on a challenge / response transmission from the fob. Easiest way to steal a modern Honda? Steal the key, then the car.
Thanks for the inside view of the ignition lock, I often wondered what they looked like. Some say a good idea is a good idea forever, looks like the 80 year old design is still holding up. The tensioning method looked awkward to keep sustained, all that rock climbing still coming in handy lol.
As I expand my knowledge of locks, I am constantly amazed at the old ideas that are still being used. For some reason the 1930's were a golden era of lock design. Sifting through the patents reveals some really cool things!
@@lockpickinglawyer logically, I would take a guess towards the Great Depression’s effects. After all, when everyone’s broke, people are more likely to take from others, if only to keep themselves and their families alive.
I have a 2003 Civic.I have had to overhaul the driver's side door lock, trunk lock and ignition lock several times over the past 20 years or so. Next time i will try and pick one on the bench.
Great job. I noticed those grooves you pointed out that act like a spool remind me of the Sparrows gridlock set. They have serrations on them that make picking tough. So far I can do the six, but not the ten. To me, wafer locks are VERY different than pin tumbler.
While I don't know the reasoning behind the one empty chamber, I don't think it has anything to do with valet keying. The glove box lock which distinguishes valet from master key, is very shallow and only engages three of the five pairs of cuts - the cut corresponding to the empty chamber doesn't even enter the keyway. One of the two sides of the non-split wafer (at the key tip) determines whether a key is master or slave(valet). A slave key has a shallower cut and lifts a non-valet wafer to bind the lock. A master key has a deeper cut, and doesn't touch a slave wafer there, instead riding on the opposing cut. Yes, this means you can make a master key out of a valet key if you had an appropriate mill handy. Depending on the opposing cut, it may even be possible to do the cut with a regular file and just cut through the ridge between the two sides.
@@georgeparkins777 Valet key does not open trunk. There is usually also a lock cylinder on the interior trunk release too, and it does not open that either.
I'm an automotive locksmith and the best pick I've found to use for honda spilt wafer locks is a lishi pick ,and same goes for most modern automotive locks that don't use sidebars.
Several years too late, however, the empty chamber may be market related. I'm in NZ and I have been working on both local market and used import Hondas (and most other makes and models) for nearly 30 years. As far as I recall, I have only ever seen one Honda door barrel with an empty chamber. The only ignition barrels I have seen with missing wafers have been ones that other mechanics (or myself), have deliberately left out at the request of the client to achieve a cheap fix to a worn lock.
My Honda Civic has that style key and it comes with a valet key it opens the door and starts the car but won’t open the trunk or glovebox or gas tank door.
So I have that lock in my 02 honda cr-v and the pins decided to wear themselves out (which apparently is a common problem). So I couldn't start the car without wiggling the key aggressively. So I had to pull the ignition out (drill a little bit) remove all the pins but one to save me purchasing an entire new ignition. This seemed to resolve the issue :). I think there's a chip in the key, So at least it has some security against being started with the screwdriver. Interesting to know it is possible to pick though. :)
My Honda has this. It's a damn pain because trying to figure out which wafer pin, or whatever you'd call it, is a pain to keep track of. Or at least that's the way mine is. Instead of solid round wafers it's wafers with pins sticking in from the side and they are really tiny.
That is like saying titee witees are the same thing as an apple, just because both are Fruit of The Loom. There may be some conceptual similarity, but the design/engineering, wafer design and materials are nowhere similar. The Honda lock will never stand up to the rigors the Dudley likely has
I've rekeyed many, many GM wafer locks in Pontiacs, Buick, and Chevy cars. There was a specific time that certain models had issues with their ignition lock cylinders. So you'd replace the lock and rekey it to the owner's original key.
I just bought a 2006 Odyssey, and there are 2 ignition an a door key, but none for the floor stash. Given I don't have lock picks, and would have to get a key made to use the lock regularly, I'm thinking of just breaking the lock- drilling it out?- so I have access, at least. If I wanted it secure, I could always put a hasp and lock, to slow anyone down, at least. Ideas?
I remember they made a big stink about this when they first implemented it in '03. Didn't know it was based on an earlier design. Have a CRV with this exact style lock. I can vouch that it would probably be an SOB to work on since its recessed aways in there to make room for the ring light and RFID transmitting coil that sit in front of it on the steering column. Picking the doors would not be as hard if you wanted a stray wallet or less nefariously, locked yourself out.
Yeah, the ignition lock seems like it'd be a real bastard - especially since you'd have to be at a very awkward angle to even access it, at least in my CR-V.
I have a Honda with this type of lock, it get's stuck in the cold wet winter so I'm hoping to fix it. May have to remove a sticky wafer so I am happy to see the inside of this so I know what to expect.
I wonder if that open pin is actuated in the ignition. My Honda has a feature where it will hold onto the key if certain conditions go unmet like say the car being in drive and not park.
If you used a plug spinner after getting the first open, would it go past the second locking point fast enough that you would only have to pick once to get the full movement?
@1:11 Stop right there. That's not why there's a missing waifer at that location. It's to help the key enter the lock. If you use all the waifer slots, the key is more prone to jamming. You'll need to study a few more Honda locks to find out how the valet key works.
Hi mate, I bought myself a honda lock ages ago and the lock has sat in a box since ive had it as I looked inside the keyway and saw the laterally engaging wafers and was too intimidated to give it a good crack. Any tips? Are you using a standard hook and twisting it in the keyway similar to how you would use a flag for dimple locks? How do you know which direction to pick each row?
I replaced my wafers last year as they got damaged ....it was working properly after replacement... Now after one year....my car opens up with every other key.(honda toyota anything) what should i do??? I dont need separate keys to unlock and separate keys to start my car
The missing wafer in first chamber has nothing to with Master or Valet keys. The code of this key is L926 and is a Master cut The Bitting is: 333551 415531 The last two cuts on both axis are XXXX51 XXXX31 This applies to all Master keys. On a Valet key last two cuts on both axis are XXXX21 XXXX31 This applies to all Valet keys. There is never a sixth chamber in the door lock.
It looks like on the Honda, you can insert the key either way (so each set of cuts is on there twice), while on the Dudley you have to insert it a particular way. Is this true?
So do you pick 2 sets of wafers or 4 sets? I am guessing it's just 2 sets (The left and the right)? It would be nice to know because, until this video, I never knew how these locks worked at all.
If you pick all the wafers 1 time, you MUST either pick them 2 or 3 more times. 2 times to reset it or 3 times to unlock it and then reset it. If you only pick them all 1 time, you will cease up the core and the only way to ever use a key again, is to pick it 2 or 3 more times in order for the key to work. Be very careful picking these on actual cars, you don't want to think you're doing the owner a favor and end up screwing their lock.
Nice, when you said uh-oh, "I pulled that core out just a little bit" you kinda made the 2nd time pick irrelevant as the wafers were blocked and not in the slots :)
The core was pulled forward a bit... maybe 1/16" ... not enough to remove any wafers from the slots. The second picking only had 3 wafers (because of the missing one). That's why it was so fast.
Hi LockPickingLawyer... perhaps you can help me, I am looking for spares to repair an old 89 Nissan 200sx lock .. would you know where to find those !? I believe the lock type is a DA25 !?
Great videos :) good job is a amazing world you opened to me after see this video (and other randoms bikes locks :3) i wonder, would you have a secure rating ?
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I know I'm several years late. Im a Honda tech. The valet function is actually at the tip of the key. I have no idea why that one slot is left open. In every lock I have rebuild that has been empty.
Could be so it's easier to rekey, just thinking from a locksmith standpoint.
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Hi Honda tech, I'm a former Honda tech. Never personally rebuilt any locks though.
These locks are so trash, locked me out of my car in several occasions and I've had to replace Honda's shitty actuators so many times. Honda used to be a reliable car
@@quickdiy8127
Also a honda tech like these two guys, but just FYI, the door lock actuator is actually separate from the door lock in this video and has nothing to do with the actual key part of the automatic door lock.
@@eg1kid1 I know but Honda used plastic clips that get brittle in a few years. And don't sell the plastic pieces seperate. Their engineering and quality is really shit. Also the locks wear out too so you're locked out on several occasions
It's hard to believe picking locks could be so fascinating, but you make it so. I've watched and watched your videos and never cease being amazed at your knowledge, skill and You Tube presenting professionalism. We see only your hands and hear only your voice and yet you have millions of subscribers and folks like me who are just plain amazed at your channel. Well done.
7 minutes?? Is this what your vids used be like before the industry ran out of tricks?? What a treat!
The most impressive part of this video is how adaptable you are with the tensioning. Great work!
Thanks. It's always fun being creative. :-)
Very glad to see that the Dudley design is still in use and making a formidable challenge. Good vid, thanks!
Thanks.
A very nice comparison. Wafer locks are something I usually kind of scoff at but these split style ones look like they could be a challenge.
Thanks, I thought it was neat. Wafer locks can be pretty good. The Duo and Alpha 800 come to mind!
I’m impressed...again. I’m going to put it out there that maybe a great challenge would be to have the customer looking over your shoulder and asking every 30 seconds, what’s taking you so long.
Seeing my keys staring back at me in your thumbnail made me nervous, but you taking over 2 minutes to pick a lock means it's super difficult for normal people!
Dude, awesome job! I have never actually picked these before, and didn't know they were even possible to pick! You are correct about the trunk, glove box, doors, ignition, ect. Ignition will obviously require the most tumblers for security. Unfortunately the Honda split tumblers tend to bend where they ride on the key, and then the keys quit working. Older Pilots are notorious for it. I swear I did like 3 a month back in the day... awesome pad lock as well. Thanks for showing!
Thanks. Interesting about the durability of the locks. Never would have thought that. Thanks for the information. :-)
I know I'm three years late, but I'm still driving a 2003 Honda Pilot to this day. Well, to a few months ago. Never had any problems with the locks other than the glove box lock and it being possible to bypass. I don't know the specifics about it, and I can't replicate it anymore because the left glove box's hinge broke off and the bolt retaining it also came off and fell onto a gravel road without me noticing. Do you know in what situations they tend to bend so I can avoid bending it?
I had to remove few wafers to make my key work again. They were worn and bent. And the key had some damage also
LPL: This is the first car lock I've featured on my channel...
Every car manufacturer: Oh hell...
Master Lock: Thank God it's not one of ours!
Actually I'm from 4 years in the future when you do an impreza picking video, you explain the traps of the need to double pick. However in that video you only explain that you need to pick it shut. I'm just here to see what the lock looks like inside :) very neat
could you do more vehicle locks per chance. this was great
hell yeah i need a new cars too.
@@benhillario3828 your gonna get 0 "new" cars just by picking locks
@deee327ify sure but bypassing the ignition interlock devices is difficult
@@ratataran woooosh
@@SofaKingStupid not really...
Ps. Locksmith lawyer your talent with locks is remarkable. Thanks for all the tips and tricks for navigating unknown terrain.
Every time he puts the key in I can hear the beeping sound our old Honda made
You numbering the videos really pays off
Great video :-) I would love to see some more auto locks on your channel
Thanks, I have plans to include some. :-)
You may have become my hero... I just lost my only keys to a 1989 Mercedes 300se which appears to be a split wafer. If I can pick it I can replace it cheap, if I can't it's a carbide drill and a bunch of expensive parts...
You'll find me in the garage picking my own Car.
that's me and my step- mom for the last 6 hours
thanks for this comment made my day
😆😆
That was me this morning after locking my keys in last night. It was far easier than I had hoped.
I feel smarter every time I see one of your videos!
Hang out with smart people and you get smarter!
today i got my first Covert pick set. in the first hour, i've developed a decent skill in picking 3 of my locks.
a week, i hadn't conceived of me being interested in it. it began with a random vid from McNally being in my recommendations.
it's an unexpected but yet fun hobby so far. who knew?
I was thinking about my Honda key and wondering about the lock just yesterday. UA-cam recommendations reading my mind again.
I had a Honda Element for several years with that key type. I never had a problem with anything except the starter. To change it out the engines exhaust system had to be entirely disassembled to remove the bad one and install the replacement! There’s a roomful of “smart” engineers I’d like to share my opinion about their parentage with!!
A lock he can't open in 20 seconds or less? MY GODS! Have we finally found a core that might actually be worth using to protect your valuables?!? At least something that will slow down a crook?
No. Not at all.
I'm a little late but any crook would just hotwire
@@CaedmonOS Yes hotwire 8th gen Civics, uh huh.
@@CaedmonOS not going to work, most of those years use ignition interrupt chips in the keys. What happens is that the car will turn over, catch for a second, and then immediately die as the interrupt circuit instructs the ECU to cut all fuel flow to the engine.
I'm a Honda salesman,and we've actually have a rash of trades with failed interrupt chips in their keys. It isn't the biggest issue in the world (we're a Honda dealer, so it's pretty easy for us to get the code from Honda and program a new key), but it's annoying when you're trying to delivery a used car to a customer and the car refuses to stay started.
As a side note, the new keyless fobs are about as bad. Same interrupt system, but it's based on a challenge / response transmission from the fob. Easiest way to steal a modern Honda? Steal the key, then the car.
Caedmon Berkes-Adams hotwire a house, shed, trailer hitch?
I once watched a professional locksmith take 45 minutes to do this on a lockout, and it is astounding how fast LPL performs the same task!
Thanks for the inside view of the ignition lock, I often wondered what they looked like. Some say a good idea is a good idea forever, looks like the 80 year old design is still holding up. The tensioning method looked awkward to keep sustained, all that rock climbing still coming in handy lol.
As I expand my knowledge of locks, I am constantly amazed at the old ideas that are still being used. For some reason the 1930's were a golden era of lock design. Sifting through the patents reveals some really cool things!
@@lockpickinglawyer logically, I would take a guess towards the Great Depression’s effects. After all, when everyone’s broke, people are more likely to take from others, if only to keep themselves and their families alive.
Good work. I have a few Volvo ignition barrels that are 4 track wafers, like the Honda here. They're fun to pick.
Thanks -- I'm going to start trying my hand at several types of car locks. A few on the way already. That's on the list.
Yes my 98 Volvo has a key identical to this Honda one!
yeah that antique lock was lovely and same idea still in use. so soon your be into lever locks ;)
I WOULD like to see that! That would be interesting.
Levers... one of these days I'll start.
I have this lock and have done the same mods to see inside it. Haven't even tried to pick it yet. That was great!
I have a 2003 Civic.I have had to overhaul the driver's side door lock, trunk lock and ignition lock several times over the past 20 years or so. Next time i will try and pick one on the bench.
Great job. I noticed those grooves you pointed out that act like a spool remind me of the Sparrows gridlock set. They have serrations on them that make picking tough. So far I can do the six, but not the ten. To me, wafer locks are VERY different than pin tumbler.
While I don't know the reasoning behind the one empty chamber, I don't think it has anything to do with valet keying. The glove box lock which distinguishes valet from master key, is very shallow and only engages three of the five pairs of cuts - the cut corresponding to the empty chamber doesn't even enter the keyway.
One of the two sides of the non-split wafer (at the key tip) determines whether a key is master or slave(valet). A slave key has a shallower cut and lifts a non-valet wafer to bind the lock. A master key has a deeper cut, and doesn't touch a slave wafer there, instead riding on the opposing cut. Yes, this means you can make a master key out of a valet key if you had an appropriate mill handy. Depending on the opposing cut, it may even be possible to do the cut with a regular file and just cut through the ridge between the two sides.
Does the valet key open the trunk? If so, what's the point? I don't think I've ever kept anything but my proof of insurance in the glovebox.
@@georgeparkins777 Valet key does not open trunk. There is usually also a lock cylinder on the interior trunk release too, and it does not open that either.
Very cool,
I am glad to see the design still being used.
Thanks, I agree!
I'm an automotive locksmith and the best pick I've found to use for honda spilt wafer locks is a lishi pick ,and same goes for most modern automotive locks that don't use sidebars.
Which make of vehicle is hardest to pick and slim Jim?
@@dw4940 some of the Toyota ones can be tricky, apart from that the rest are ok as long as they're not too worn or broken
The Dudley reminds me of a similar key called Duo. They were fairly popular in the 1980's.
Sir, thank you for sharing you knowledge , You are awesome !!!!
I got my first car thanks to you.
This man is a badass!! Can you do more American lock? I’ve had so much trouble opening them. I can’t seem to open any of them.
Something different 👍 very interesting , thanks for the video.
Thanks.
I'd love to see you tackle the Lexus lock one of these days!
That's so cool! Awesome picking! :)
Thanks.
I really liked the video and learn so much 👍
Several years too late, however, the empty chamber may be market related.
I'm in NZ and I have been working on both local market and used import Hondas (and most other makes and models) for nearly 30 years.
As far as I recall, I have only ever seen one Honda door barrel with an empty chamber.
The only ignition barrels I have seen with missing wafers have been ones that other mechanics (or myself), have deliberately left out at the request of the client to achieve a cheap fix to a worn lock.
Very interesting find. Thanks for showing. And great picking of course :-)
Thanks.
Thanks for your time
Please do a video explaining all the different types of locks.
My Honda Civic has that style key and it comes with a valet key it opens the door and starts the car but won’t open the trunk or glovebox or gas tank door.
But aren't there buttons inside the car to open the boot and gas cap?
@@anonimas123456789 there is a lock beside the levers to open fuel cap and trunk. I was told the valet key will not unlock it
The missing wafer is not for valet keying. Valet keying is done on the 5th wafer on the left side. It's a 5 cut for the master and 2 for valet.
I'm surprised you didn't have to slap that thing with some sort of injunction or something to make it open. 😄
LOL... worth a shot.
So I have that lock in my 02 honda cr-v and the pins decided to wear themselves out (which apparently is a common problem). So I couldn't start the car without wiggling the key aggressively.
So I had to pull the ignition out (drill a little bit) remove all the pins but one to save me purchasing an entire new ignition. This seemed to resolve the issue :).
I think there's a chip in the key, So at least it has some security against being started with the screwdriver.
Interesting to know it is possible to pick though. :)
My Honda has this. It's a damn pain because trying to figure out which wafer pin, or whatever you'd call it, is a pain to keep track of. Or at least that's the way mine is. Instead of solid round wafers it's wafers with pins sticking in from the side and they are really tiny.
Older honda keys look even more like the dudley keys. Mine was so worn it sometimes wouldn't engage the lock anymore
Would you accept a challange Honda ignition lock?
Sure -- PM me.
@@lockpickinglawyer Did this ever happen? I'd love to see the video, if so.
I didn't realize there were so many people that don't know how a valet key works.
Really interesting using the same design 80 years later.
Definitely!
That is like saying titee witees are the same thing as an apple, just because both are Fruit of The Loom. There may be some conceptual similarity, but the design/engineering, wafer design and materials are nowhere similar. The Honda lock will never stand up to the rigors the Dudley likely has
You should take a look at an e46 3 series lock, as it’s similar to this but the cut is on the inside of the key rather than outside it
I've rekeyed many, many GM wafer locks in Pontiacs, Buick, and Chevy cars. There was a specific time that certain models had issues with their ignition lock cylinders. So you'd replace the lock and rekey it to the owner's original key.
You need to file your nails. They're looking kinda jagged. Lol. We love you lpl.
It is def for valet use. I examined mine when I got them and that is where the difference in they keys is.
Nope
I just bought a 2006 Odyssey, and there are 2 ignition an a door key, but none for the floor stash. Given I don't have lock picks, and would have to get a key made to use the lock regularly, I'm thinking of just breaking the lock- drilling it out?- so I have access, at least. If I wanted it secure, I could always put a hasp and lock, to slow anyone down, at least. Ideas?
very cool video m8 thanx for sharing🔐😊😊👍
Thanks
I remember they made a big stink about this when they first implemented it in '03. Didn't know it was based on an earlier design. Have a CRV with this exact style lock. I can vouch that it would probably be an SOB to work on since its recessed aways in there to make room for the ring light and RFID transmitting coil that sit in front of it on the steering column. Picking the doors would not be as hard if you wanted a stray wallet or less nefariously, locked yourself out.
Yeah, the ignition lock seems like it'd be a real bastard - especially since you'd have to be at a very awkward angle to even access it, at least in my CR-V.
I have a Honda with this type of lock, it get's stuck in the cold wet winter so I'm hoping to fix it. May have to remove a sticky wafer so I am happy to see the inside of this so I know what to expect.
I wonder if that open pin is actuated in the ignition. My Honda has a feature where it will hold onto the key if certain conditions go unmet like say the car being in drive and not park.
Fascinating bit of history!w
Agreed, thanks.
I'm not quite sure why I thought this but I believe you'd make a nice dentist....ToothPickingLawyer
not bad, took quite a time to pick it open.
How did you learn so much about locks? Do you think car locks are a lot easier to pick than house locks ?
Definitely not. It took him a good time longer in this lock than any house lock.
You should make a skill share course!
If you used a plug spinner after getting the first open, would it go past the second locking point fast enough that you would only have to pick once to get the full movement?
It might, but I doubt it. Remember that you are fighting a spring when you pick this on a car. That makes all the difference.
More car stuff please:)
My 1992 Mercedes actually has a similar key and no locksmith wants to mess with it.
1:14 yes, you are correct. My 03 Civic had separate valet keys, so I'm sure you are right.
So tweezers are a Y shaped tension wrench ?
The way you go through the process is very reminiscent of a dentist.
EIGHTY years !! ... so, its smaller, antique brother with wafers was already made halfway the nineteen thirties or thereabouts ? !!!
+Ary vanHarrick That's right. The Dudley split wafer was first made in the 30s.
I think Honda called it the sidewinder key when I worked for them. They thought it was the greatest thing in security ha.
@1:11 Stop right there. That's not why there's a missing waifer at that location. It's to help the key enter the lock. If you use all the waifer slots, the key is more prone to jamming.
You'll need to study a few more Honda locks to find out how the valet key works.
I'll give you a hint : you only have to change one thing on the key to make a valet key work on all locks on the car.
thank you sir !
its worth noting the ignition is a 6x6
Good to know. Thanks.
Hi mate,
I bought myself a honda lock ages ago and the lock has sat in a box since ive had it as I looked inside the keyway and saw the laterally engaging wafers and was too intimidated to give it a good crack.
Any tips? Are you using a standard hook and twisting it in the keyway similar to how you would use a flag for dimple locks? How do you know which direction to pick each row?
The UA-cam algorithm is weird. Neat seeing this video years later
I replaced my wafers last year as they got damaged ....it was working properly after replacement...
Now after one year....my car opens up with every other key.(honda toyota anything) what should i do??? I dont need separate keys to unlock and separate keys to start my car
is there any lock you cant open?????????????
The missing wafer in first chamber has nothing to with Master or Valet keys.
The code of this key is L926 and is a Master cut
The Bitting is:
333551
415531
The last two cuts on both axis are
XXXX51
XXXX31
This applies to all Master keys.
On a Valet key last two cuts on both axis are
XXXX21
XXXX31
This applies to all Valet keys.
There is never a sixth chamber in the door lock.
Thanks for the helpful information. 👍
Great job picking brother and thanks for the review!
It looks like on the Honda, you can insert the key either way (so each set of cuts is on there twice), while on the Dudley you have to insert it a particular way. Is this true?
LockPickingLawyer are you still doing the aluminum padlock series
Yes... just put to the side for a little bit. I think I still have 8 more. I'll get back to it soon. :-)
have you ever used a pick/decoder? or the turbo decoder you should do a video on one :)
I have not used one before.
This guy is a lockpicking artist he doesn't use fancy gadgets
@@adriancorvais5506 there is a Honda turbo decoder??
So do you pick 2 sets of wafers or 4 sets? I am guessing it's just 2 sets (The left and the right)? It would be nice to know because, until this video, I never knew how these locks worked at all.
If you pick all the wafers 1 time, you MUST either pick them 2 or 3 more times. 2 times to reset it or 3 times to unlock it and then reset it. If you only pick them all 1 time, you will cease up the core and the only way to ever use a key again, is to pick it 2 or 3 more times in order for the key to work. Be very careful picking these on actual cars, you don't want to think you're doing the owner a favor and end up screwing their lock.
Nice, when you said uh-oh, "I pulled that core out just a little bit" you kinda made the 2nd time pick irrelevant as the wafers were blocked and not in the slots :)
The core was pulled forward a bit... maybe 1/16" ... not enough to remove any wafers from the slots. The second picking only had 3 wafers (because of the missing one). That's why it was so fast.
Do you need to go in a specific order?
My sailing team once had a fiat ducato whose trunk would open with any ducato key... I wonder how it worked!
Now that is Interesting, Very INTERESTING
Hi LockPickingLawyer... perhaps you can help me, I am looking for spares to repair an old 89 Nissan 200sx lock .. would you know where to find those !? I believe the lock type is a DA25 !?
are the two wafers per quadrant standard? Or do you have to discover which two you need to pick as you pick?
Great videos :)
good job
is a amazing world you opened to me
after see this video (and other randoms bikes locks :3) i wonder, would you have a secure rating ?
Thanks. You are not alone... it's like a veil is lifted once you understand the level of security offered by most locks.
How do you get these car locks?
Carlock seemed a lot more complicated than the usual doorlock or padlock
Good pick sir
Thanks
My 2018 Civic has this same type of key. The only difference being that mine has a remote built in.
TOTALLY AMAZING I SEEN THE OTHER VIDEO AND WAS AMAZED. THAT IT WAS 80YEARS OLD NOW I'M REALLY AMAZED SOMETHING I WILL NEVER FORGET😎😎😎😎😎🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
Thanks -- glad you liked it!