Where I am at you can pick up Sanitizer for pennies or for free. 60 - 80% alcohol. Yet distilling it for the alcohol rases safety questions. I have not found anything credible as to how to do it safely. Just people saying you shouldn't. Due to the fumes from the heated Glycerin. I notice that the version here has only the capillary action of the felt next to the can wall on one side. They're not being an internal can as in your version. Also, it looks like it is burning internally and not externally at the mantle. Really, hazardous waste facilities are dealing with loads of sanitizer due to the Glycerin being given a shelf date. They would rather give it away than pay for disposal = free fuel... All my best and love life, AD
Followed you from Roberts page. I like the different design, I got mine off Methanol at the moment. It rooms mine small cottage downstairs no problem :). Shout out from the UK man.
Nice build, I made a similar one after watching Robert's crazy vids, lol I can see yours is burning rich as mine was and will give off noxious gasses. I punched half inch holes in the bottom of the gauze to let more oxygen in and it is a load better. Stay safe :)
I did your design of the can , fiber felt, and steel mesh. I found an old Dutch steel pot and a piece of steel out of a motor 5” across by 3” deep with a hole in the middle that the can will fit down in. Put the thick steel piece in the cast iron pot and soup can in the middle. Holds heat well. My concern is will the soup can get to hot that it might explode. I am using 91% isopropyl alcohol. 2:12
Hey Susan. Use small quantities of IPA at a time and make sure the pressure can't build up ( The can on the top is open ) But as always, be extremely careful and use at your own risk
If the top was mounted on telescopic rods it could be (with good gloves) be pushed down to make a sphere and ultimately safety extinguish it. The mesh would possibly need to be made shorter so it fits inside the sphere. Fit a handle to the top too so it can be pulled back up. Hope that makes sense.
That's an interesting design. The salad bowls look aluminium though, are they gonna be able to take the amount of heat that the lantern gives off? And 4:47 although I like the look of your design, it's gonna be a right faff to change the lantern over when it runs out. Mainly because of the sort of column arrangement in the middle. Maybe a three rod set up would work better to access the lantern a bit better? Cheers for sharing fella.
If you can't use this in an area that isn't ventilated I.e open door then what is the point in it? You can't heat a room if the windows are open or am I missing something? Genuine question not criticism
It generates carbon monoxide and that is dangerous. But it is suitable for a hot tent, a shed, a porch etc etc. If you decide to use it in the house ( it's possible ) just make sure there is enough ventilation. Not open doors but at least airflow ( and a carbon monoxide detector )
I know it's smokeless, but how is it with soot? I've used alcohols for homemade heaters, and I found that while Denatured alcohol didn't produce any, 91% Isopropyl created thin soot that would get on everything.
@@mikeshawbrook-selfreliance Okay. Do you think that having that bowl acting like a cover would connect a lot of the soot that some of the other fuels produce? I didn't use anything at a top like you did here, I wonder if that would mitigate soot buildup on everything else. Like I said, denatured doesn't produce any soot, but Isopropyl is less expensive, burns longer and considerably hotter not to mention it's easier to get.
I built Murrays version and have ran it on Ipa. With a hot screen it burned cleaner. When i was a kid in chemistry alcohol always burned blue and had sweet smell I bet it was Ethanol. When i built mine i used smallest soup cans and made my wick thinner 2 sock layers thick. Flame hight was 1 foot and near the end only 6 inches. To me this gets hot for emergencies but is still blowing fuel out at 2x what would be ideal. I suppose making it taller or two miniture ones.
You can use Bio Ethanol, Methanol etc. Bio Ethanol is basically alcohol but it is sold as fuel for fireplaces etc. Places like this www.thefireplaceshop.com/
VERY COOL - UH HOT I mean.😁 much like my alcohol stove principle. 1 question - does the mesh have to be fine? My assumption would be the finer the easier to glow, but also the finer the easier to wear out??
🤣🤣🤣 don't get fine mesh I bought fine mesh not on purpose but i soon realised it doesn't work my heater melted it straightaway, so now I'm in the process of finding the right one. I think the one I bought was 1mm thick.
It looks like you have an incomplete burn hence the black soot, also i would guess you would have a smell of ethanol, so it would be advisable to get a carbon monoxide detector as when youu get the incomplete burn you also get carbon monoxide. my first one gave off an ethanol smell and the carbon monoxide detector went mental. I like most have experimented with these burners and now have them running right, no soot on the mesh or te top of the burner and no smell at all, the result is a carbon monoxide reading of 0 ppm even after a 6hr burn. Like your design it is sort of a ethanol UFO, but I can tell by looking at ithe video it needs a bit more work as the top cover on the mesh and the top bowl should be free from soot.
@@mikeshawbrook-selfreliance have you tried using ceramic wool. And also use a sort of a lid with maybe only 1/2 to 1 inch hole on top. That way it uses less alchohol. And smaller flame.
I'm a single 50 year old woman with no tools. Is there any way you could make me one at a reasonable price?? I am serious. Look forward to your response. Thank you
TnT channel with murray smith has a heater made from 2 soup cans. I used a refried beans and enchlada sauce. It will not make sense until you start making one then it will become more clear. I experiment with wick height and can height but worked fine with wick short and can height fairly even. Im sure there is a better design. This is alcohol stove you can buy one for camping online or in sporting goods.
Keith, you are not supposed to open your windows and or doors. I just did that because I am in a tiny shed. Ventilation is something you should always have, in any room. Now in this case Bio Ethanol create little to no carbon mon oxide, but still. Be careful
I like that attitude that's my way of thinking but what's wrong with making one while you educate yourself so you can then afford to pay your gas, you could also use it as constant reminder never to go back only forward.
@@mikeshawbrook-selfreliance Thank you for that clarification. My home uses natural gas as a heat source, and I'm looking for budget alternatives to rely on for indoor heating. Natural gas has become so very expensive now. We senior citizens will freeze!
@@BluSkyeHost Sorry to hear that. Please check my video on sand batteries. A great ( and proven way ) to have some supplemental heat. ua-cam.com/video/zwKhVHA9SkI/v-deo.html If you already have to heat one room, put a few empty paint cans with white sand ( make sure there is a tiny hole in the lid for pressure release ) As you turn off your main heatsource ( going to bed, moving to other room etc ) place the paint cans in a flat wooden box with holes in the top. As you sit down, put your feet on it and a blanket over your knees.
I love it mate - that is so cool!
Thanks so much ! I love your vids.... keep them coming !
Where I am at you can pick up Sanitizer for pennies or for free. 60 - 80% alcohol. Yet distilling it for the alcohol rases safety questions. I have not found anything credible as to how to do it safely. Just people saying you shouldn't. Due to the fumes from the heated Glycerin. I notice that the version here has only the capillary action of the felt next to the can wall on one side. They're not being an internal can as in your version. Also, it looks like it is burning internally and not externally at the mantle. Really, hazardous waste facilities are dealing with loads of sanitizer due to the Glycerin being given a shelf date. They would rather give it away than pay for disposal = free fuel... All my best and love life, AD
@@archerdeangelo1187 Would love to hear whether you can up with any improvements !
Anything you approve, Robert. .... I'm IN! Thanks
Looks like a copy of yours RMS
Very cool. For added safety, you could put some rocks in the bottom bowl to add weight. Remember, "weebles wobble but they don't fall down".
How do you snuff it out if you need to leave the room or are finished using it before the fuel burns up?
Followed you from Roberts page. I like the different design, I got mine off Methanol at the moment. It rooms mine small cottage downstairs no problem :). Shout out from the UK man.
On Roberts page ? I wasn't aware
First video I've seen of yours. As soon as I saw the racks of Makita tools, I knew I'd like the rest.
It's pretty neat stuff, isn't it :-)
Like the shout out to RMS too he is a good chap
Very nice ,like idea .Thank you for sharing
Greetings from 🇧🇦 Bosnia and Herzegovina
Thank you !
The black soot on the top cover.
Right right. No fumes!
That was from using a different fuel
Nice build, I made a similar one after watching Robert's crazy vids, lol I can see yours is burning rich as mine was and will give off noxious gasses. I punched half inch holes in the bottom of the gauze to let more oxygen in and it is a load better. Stay safe :)
I will check it out
I did your design of the can , fiber felt, and steel mesh.
I found an old Dutch steel pot and a piece of steel out of a motor 5” across by 3” deep with a hole in the middle that the can will fit down in. Put the thick steel piece in the cast iron pot and soup can in the middle. Holds heat well.
My concern is will the soup can get to hot that it might explode. I am using 91% isopropyl alcohol. 2:12
Hey Susan. Use small quantities of IPA at a time and make sure the pressure can't build up ( The can on the top is open ) But as always, be extremely careful and use at your own risk
Suggest bottom having larger base, like one of the SS Dog bowls, so it's less likely to tip.
Good idea Max
Love it! And Love Robers channel too :-)
If the top was mounted on telescopic rods it could be (with good gloves) be pushed down to make a sphere and ultimately safety extinguish it. The mesh would possibly need to be made shorter so it fits inside the sphere. Fit a handle to the top too so it can be pulled back up. Hope that makes sense.
Nice feedback, thanks
That's an interesting design. The salad bowls look aluminium though, are they gonna be able to take the amount of heat that the lantern gives off? And 4:47 although I like the look of your design, it's gonna be a right faff to change the lantern over when it runs out. Mainly because of the sort of column arrangement in the middle. Maybe a three rod set up would work better to access the lantern a bit better? Cheers for sharing fella.
Definitely going to try this, Mike
Awesome buddy !
Good stuff Mike. Thanks.
Thanks !
Looks like a tip over Hazzard to me,with a very limited fuel supply/burn time !
Very honest of you!
How long will it burn on one fill?
Depends on whether I use Bio Ethanol, Methanol or IPA but a half-inch fill of a can will burn for about 20 minutes
If you can't use this in an area that isn't ventilated I.e open door then what is the point in it? You can't heat a room if the windows are open or am I missing something? Genuine question not criticism
It generates carbon monoxide and that is dangerous. But it is suitable for a hot tent, a shed, a porch etc etc. If you decide to use it in the house ( it's possible ) just make sure there is enough ventilation. Not open doors but at least airflow ( and a carbon monoxide detector )
Lovely 👍👍 🙏
Do you think it would work if someone put that in a pot belly stove wood it exhausts the fumes through the chimney?
Would it exhaust?😂🤦🏻♂️
I know it's smokeless, but how is it with soot? I've used alcohols for homemade heaters, and I found that while Denatured alcohol didn't produce any, 91% Isopropyl created thin soot that would get on everything.
Very little soot. The soot in the video is because I used different types of fuel in it for testing
@@mikeshawbrook-selfreliance Okay. Do you think that having that bowl acting like a cover would connect a lot of the soot that some of the other fuels produce? I didn't use anything at a top like you did here, I wonder if that would mitigate soot buildup on everything else.
Like I said, denatured doesn't produce any soot, but Isopropyl is less expensive, burns longer and considerably hotter not to mention it's easier to get.
Good idea.
What he didnt say is that exhaust gas stinks
Exhaust gas from what ? This burner does not stink
Would you care to reveal where you sourced your carbon felt? I'm in the U.S. Most welders mat on Amazon apparently are not 100% carbon. Thanks
Links are under the video :-)
@@mikeshawbrook-selfreliance thanks, I found them.
I'm making one too out of old dog dishes, and RMS
Good choice !
I thought alcohol burns blue?
this is a yellow flame...probably need to drill a few holes at the top of the lower can?
Maybe, I will look into it. Thanks
I built Murrays version and have ran it on Ipa. With a hot screen it burned cleaner. When i was a kid in chemistry alcohol always burned blue and had sweet smell I bet it was Ethanol.
When i built mine i used smallest soup cans and made my wick thinner 2 sock layers thick. Flame hight was 1 foot and near the end only 6 inches. To me this gets hot for emergencies but is still blowing fuel out at 2x what would be ideal. I suppose making it taller or two miniture ones.
Tidy workshop Mike, credit to you
Thanks :-)
Where do you buy bio ethanol? Asking from Canada.
You can use Bio Ethanol, Methanol etc. Bio Ethanol is basically alcohol but it is sold as fuel for fireplaces etc. Places like this www.thefireplaceshop.com/
@@mikeshawbrook-selfreliance Thanks mate!
@@thedindon Very welcome ! Greetings from a Canadian living in Europe
I thought bioethenol only produced water vapor and no CO so was safe
Water and a small amount of carbon dioxide
It burns petty clean. I'm betting CO levels are minute.
Just googled it. alcohol doesn't produce CO unless it doesn't get enough oxygen. This won't be a problem.
Still take precautions though, be safe !
Carbon Felt?
VERY COOL - UH HOT I mean.😁 much like my alcohol stove principle. 1 question - does the mesh have to be fine? My assumption would be the finer the easier to glow, but also the finer the easier to wear out??
🤣🤣🤣 don't get fine mesh I bought fine mesh not on purpose but i soon realised it doesn't work my heater melted it straightaway, so now I'm in the process of finding the right one. I think the one I bought was 1mm thick.
It looks like you have an incomplete burn hence the black soot, also i would guess you would have a smell of ethanol, so it would be advisable to get a carbon monoxide detector as when youu get the incomplete burn you also get carbon monoxide. my first one gave off an ethanol smell and the carbon monoxide detector went mental. I like most have experimented with these burners and now have them running right, no soot on the mesh or te top of the burner and no smell at all, the result is a carbon monoxide reading of 0 ppm even after a 6hr burn. Like your design it is sort of a ethanol UFO, but I can tell by looking at ithe video it needs a bit more work as the top cover on the mesh and the top bowl should be free from soot.
The soot is actually from other fuel types I tried. The Bio Ethanol burns soot and smoke free :-)
How about posting or providing a description of your design/ improvement?
Really enjoyed the video. Not sure if I missed it or not,but approximately how long would this burn?
Thank you
Depends heavily on diameter, height etc... It's trial and error really. Are you using methanol, bio ethanol, lampoil etc
@@mikeshawbrook-selfrelianceHow long would it last if you were using bio ethanol ?
@@anio6865 About 1 inch in the can would burn something like 30 minutes
@@mikeshawbrook-selfreliance have you tried using ceramic wool. And also use a sort of a lid with maybe only 1/2 to 1 inch hole on top. That way it uses less alchohol. And smaller flame.
@@anio6865 That is why I used the graphite felt as shown in the video
Play around 2x
I'm a single 50 year old woman with no tools. Is there any way you could make me one at a reasonable price?? I am serious. Look forward to your response. Thank you
TnT channel with murray smith has a heater made from 2 soup cans. I used a refried beans and enchlada sauce. It will not make sense until you start making one then it will become more clear. I experiment with wick height and can height but worked fine with wick short and can height fairly even. Im sure there is a better design. This is alcohol stove you can buy one for camping online or in sporting goods.
What's the point in having a heater uou can only use in a room when the windows are open ... this is not going to keep your room warm...
Keith, you are not supposed to open your windows and or doors. I just did that because I am in a tiny shed. Ventilation is something you should always have, in any room. Now in this case Bio Ethanol create little to no carbon mon oxide, but still. Be careful
A carbon monoxide detector is absolutely essential.
Be very, very careful using this indoors ! And YES, a carbon monoxide detector is a must
Or for around the same price, educate yourself more so you can afford to keep the heating on...
Funny
I like that attitude that's my way of thinking but what's wrong with making one while you educate yourself so you can then afford to pay your gas, you could also use it as constant reminder never to go back only forward.
I p a so u can use Indian pale ale....
You could, but I guess Iso Propyl Alcohol would be better
@@mikeshawbrook-selfreliance Is that what you are referring to when you say IPA? I also thought of beer. I'm in the US.
@@BluSkyeHost Isopropyl alcohol
@@mikeshawbrook-selfreliance Thank you for that clarification. My home uses natural gas as a heat source, and I'm looking for budget alternatives to rely on for indoor heating. Natural gas has become so very expensive now. We senior citizens will freeze!
@@BluSkyeHost Sorry to hear that. Please check my video on sand batteries. A great ( and proven way ) to have some supplemental heat. ua-cam.com/video/zwKhVHA9SkI/v-deo.html If you already have to heat one room, put a few empty paint cans with white sand ( make sure there is a tiny hole in the lid for pressure release ) As you turn off your main heatsource ( going to bed, moving to other room etc ) place the paint cans in a flat wooden box with holes in the top. As you sit down, put your feet on it and a blanket over your knees.