Got one of these for 10 years now, and i must say it is one of the best piece of gear that i have. I use it with the 3 different sleeping bags i got, following the temp. Really efficient in hammock, where bags insulation is prone to compress. And in hot summer nights, i use it alone.
On the back of your review I purchased the Carinthia Defence 1 sleeping bag. Since then I purchased the MIG 4.0 jacket. Really pleased with both. You are my go to channel for any reviews. Thank you so much for the quality and integrity you always display. Thinking I now need a sleeping bag liner. :D
Carinthia is a big name in a "circle of outdoor professionals" (military). I have a grizzly liner and S2S Reactor liner. Grizzly is ~ 150g heavier but it is significantly warmer than Sea to Summit Reactor which claims to add 18°C. to the sleep system (not really - more advertising). With Defence 6 sleeping bag + Grizzly, I can stand "Syberia coldness" - no sleeping mat under but a layer of spruce branches. With Grizzly someone doesn't need another sleeping bag in the Summer at a temperature of 15°C and up - and I am a very cold sleepier.
Bought a fleece sleeping bag liner at Coleman store for less than $15 on sale once. It was such good deal a bought 2 more. So warm that on summer nights I just use the liner without the sleeping bag. Good construction. Had them for more than 2 years still going strong.
I just got a Carinthia Grizzly Olive liner in from Germany and put it inside my Tropen. It does not get nearly as cold in Oklahoma as it does in Germany but I slept in 28°F (no wind) and was surprisingly comfortable. I am going to sew some straps on to my Grizzly to allow it to be tied to the inside of my Tropen; I was all twisted up in the morning. If any of you are wondering about the Tropen bag, don't let the label "summer bag" dissuade you. That bag is remarkably warm for how lightweight it is. Just sayin'.
Great timing been thing of getting a bag liner instead of just buying a new bag. I like the idea of having equipment that can be skailed up or down as needed. This will fit that nicely. Thanks Luke outstanding review. Happy Thanksgiving to you and the whole family.
My buddy has this and the sleeping bag, and we bought swagmans this year. He loves it. I have yet to bite the bullet and buy the sleeping bag/liner, but there were plenty of nights where my swagman was fine by itself so I can only surmise that these two would make a great piece of kit together.
40 years ago I bought a 3 season bag, and found it too hot for me even when there was a light frost. So a few years later I bought a 1 season bag and a fleece liner. When camping in warm weather the liner gets used on it's own, then the bag, then the combination will take me to around freezing point. They are very versatile. I only do ten to twenty days a year, but they are still going strong. The 3 season bag only gets used when I need to provide a bag for friends or family. My liner has a fleece stuff sac which makes a great pillow when filled with a shirt or fleece top.
I own the G40 Liner. Bought it this year and only used it a week as a light sleepingbag in a mountain hut. This liner has the double of price but is light insulated.
Have a sea to summit liner. Don’t notice much difference but does help keep down bag clean. If gets cold have an LLBean fleece sleeping bag or wool blanket on pad then my down bag usually pretty toasty down to low temps
Using it with a Defence 4 a friend of mine called it his "Defence 5" setup. As there is no Defence 5 and it improves the Defence 4 but wont be as warm as the Defence 6.
I love sleeping bag liners for the warmer months. I have a thin liner (nylon), but haven't considered the fleeces. Thank you! I mostly hammock camp (easier on my back for some reason) so I'm always open to new top quilt solutions.
Interesting! I have often thought that a fleece onesie might be a good way to go because your arms and legs are free. Aiding a quick exit for a midnight pee, while maintaining a reasonable degree of warmth. I'd be interested in something like a heavier weight Coolmax fleece (light warm and wicking), not the stupid cosplay things. I also think that this liner is large for me & I'd consider trimming it or turning it into said onesie. I have a poncho liner that I currently use to boost my sleeping bag, plus a couple of other lighter weight liners, depending on season. I like the poncho liner because with a little modification, it can be worn as clothing, which makes for a relaxed & cossie breakfast. It generally only goes as low as -10 C around here, so I'm probably pretty well set but gear alternatives are always interesting. Appreciate the videos.
Have an old liner like this, no idea the brand, but can't recommend this type of liner enough. Have slept out on tops in Ireland and Scotland with sleeping-bag inside a bivvy bag, and the liner inside that, warm and dry. They make a noticeable difference. As an aside, I appreciate the temps also being mentioned onscreen as degrees C...that's how my Euro head works.
Currently living in Carinthia, watching your video praising the brand Carinthia's products😂 of course they would be suitable for harsh alpine weather conditions. Carinthia is in a very mountainous part of Austria
Hi from the UK. Love your channel! Thanks for the advice. Looks like a great liner and would fit like a glove in the British Army modular sleeping system lightweight bag or the Corinthia Tropen bag which it rips off.
This looks promising if Carinthia were to do a center opening zip and a barrel shape. I have the cotton/poly liner center zip opening version which works well with my Defence 1 and 4 sleeping bags to keep them clean. I understand it also works with the Tropen and Defence 6 bags. It also works well with my Varusteleka Sarma TST insulated thermal cloak which I can use as a light sleeping bag. To repeat, I got this particular liner to keep my sleeping bags clean, not for additional insulation. The center zipper opening is perfect as I can easily use either hand to unzip quickly to get out of my bags. For those of us who are blessed with broad manly chests in the 50 inch range, this barrel shaped liner allows us to sleep normally rather than feel like a sausage in a sausage casing. On a different note, I would love for Luke to do a review of Varusteleka’s Sarma TST thermal cloak which comes in three different versions - uninsulated, 67 gm Climashield Apex, and 100gm Climashield Apex. Which version he chooses would be what works for him. Thanks!
Ok folks, I have been looking for a lightweight bag liner and just ordered one of their Carinthia Grizzly in olive green. I respect Luke's reviews and opinions... But be warned... USPS shipping to the U.S. is: $41.43! I have ordered from Poland, England and Finland, but I was shocked when I saw this shipping cost! TOTAL: $110.98 (it better be good!!)
I bought into Carinthia products based on this review and others. I just recently spent a night in my WB BBxlc hammock insulated by the Carinthia HUQ under and Carinthia Tropen + Grizzly. It got down to -8 Celsius(17 Fahrenheit) and I was ok albeit a tad chilly on my feet. I know I was pushing it but I wanted to test it out. As to the Grizzly liner. I found the black version and that has a mid zip which is great for hammock use. The zip is only half way down though. It could have been a bit longer I think. Also I’m 178 cm long and have the 185 cm liner. It feels a little bit short. Compared to the Tropen sleeping bag which I also got in 185 that is really roomy I think. But maybe a liner is supposed to be more snug… Anyways so far I really enjoy my gear from Carinthia. I’m in Sweden and I didn’t hear about them before. So finding them was nice. Would be great to see a review of the HUQ hammock under quilt from Carinthia and hear your thoughts on that. I like mine although I don’t have anything to compare it to. It is a bit tricky to set up being a generalized piece of equipment but did fine in my first test night out. Cheers everyone 👋🇸🇪
Oh! I like the idea of this liner! (Because most sleeping bag liners don't have a zipper!) I went to the link you provided and they even linked _this_ video from their website!
That sounds fantastic! ! ! Pair that with the Get Out Gear Down Puffy Camping Blanket, and maybe the Bivy Cover Sack for Military Army Modular Sleeping System: I'm betting you could use it down to 32 degrees. I'm going to purchase both the Carinthia Grizzly Sleeping Bag Liner and the Get Out Gear Down Puffy Camping Blanket. Great review as always and glad you brought this to our attention.
I just bought one of these on the strength of this video. Thanks Luke 👍. And, I managed to get a black version. First impressions are great. Plan to team it with a quilt
Nice review! I was on the fence if to buy or not, to go with my Defense 4. Now I'm happy you did your test in the perfect time! Thx Luke, greetz from Austria!
That looks huge to me for just a +9 degree liner. That stuff sack in your hand looks only a little smaller than my 0 degree sleeping bag. That could be really nice and comfy by itself for the summer time though, when my normal sleeping bags are way too hot.
My 20 degree EE bag is ALMOST half that size !! If the weather permits that would be a good stand alone back in the summer. I have no idea what Luke wears when he's out at night in The Great outdoors but that is going to significantly change for each one of us and thus the temp rating/comfort. Here in the desert in summer if I could take my skin off I would 😂
@@trakyboy5128 What do you use? I generally use a Snugpak Jungle Bag as my main summer bag because I like the bug net if I'm using a tarp shelter, and I sometimes use a Sea to Summit Reactor liner and/or woobie with it if I need extra warmth. I have one of the older US Modular Sleep Systems for colder weather, but it's so damn bulky and heavy. I wouldn't be against finding ways to make more use of the jungle bag.
@@wanderingcalamity360 I literally just re-discovered my Jungle bag with Mozzie/bug protection hood in the garage the other night. I moved here a few years ago and forgot it in the move. Coming into Summer here...it will be perfect! Cheers!
A very practical idea.. I'd use one just as you have.. stand-alone or combined with other light blanket, a sleeping bag, etc. based on conditions. It LOOKS like the fabric has a fairly smooth surface on the inside vs. "fleecy".. which is nicer than many other cheaper liners, which have fleecy texture to BOTH sides, grabbing onto whatever clothing is worn to sleep in and more likely for liner to twist, "wad up" and otherwise not stay where it should! :D Great idea for car camping/overlanding, keeping in vehicle for emergencies, and so on. :D
Great video! I'm still in the process of getting my equipment and since I'm based in South Florida (sub-tropics) and would be going as far north as the Appalachian Trail (mid-atlantic) I'm looking for versatility in my sleeping bag....this liner sounds very promising, especially since with the slightest dip in temperature I become "frozen Rosen"! Thanks for this review and all of your continued informative videos! Wishing you and your family all the best for the Christmas holiday!
Hi, I have used a Sea to Summit Reactor Inlet for the AT, with a summer sleeping bag, same or even warmer, half weight, half or less pack size, same price or even cheaper then the Carinthia. StS has no zipper but after the 2nd or 3th night it doesn't matter.
@@swissguy8052 Thanks for the info….gonna check it out….doe REI have it in their stores to see…if not any suggestions on a store I can see it in would be appreciated….Thanks again and Merry Christmas!!!
Great addition to a survival or bivvy bags on a challenging day hike. Open it up put the foot box over your head, wrap the rest around you, poncho over the top sleep against a tree or shelter from extreme weather.
I use the Snugpak jungle bag then throw the jungle blanket if it gets a bit colder, but just got the Snugpak sleeper extreme havent tried it yet but its massive... supposedly good down to -12.
You can lower your temperature rating a lot by wearing down booties, down pants and down top. The comfort rating is by itself and fleece might have more air passing through it by itself, so pairing it with an outer lining might boost the temperature rating a lot more because of stopping that air movement. I think the weight is average to a little heavy, so what you pear it with shoud be very light.
Looks great if I get that it would be a staple to my main kit to just boost my sleep systems like my swagman roll, my army modular sleep system, then my regular hyke&byke sleep bag. Plus being it sounds warm id use it just by its self during the hot months
Great review, I have been looking for something I can use as a liner. I needing something to keep me a little warmer in the cool months for camping here on gulf coast, I have lightweight sleeping bag and when temps drop in to 50s or lower just need something to get that little more warmth. My blood does not flow good in my legs and arms due to PAD so this is just what I need to keep me out there during cool months. Thanks Luke!
I have the Carinthia Defence 1 bag, and it's great. But $70 just seems too much for only an additional nine degrees. I'm not sure it's adding much more than your average $12-$15 fleece liner. Twenty degrees and it would be on my Christmas list. I realize that 20 degrees is a big ask from a bag liner, but so is $70 if it's not really offering you much more than a cheapie. I used my bag a few weeks ago at above 10,000 feet in the Rockies and the temps dipped down to the mid-30s. I'm a warm sleeper and it got chilly. Carinthia definitely has that 39-degree limit dialed in. Anyway, the last night I just brought a $3 fleece throw from Walmart into the bag with me and it got me that extra few degrees. If you're car camping, the weight isn't really an issue, and if you're looking to bolster the warmth of a Defence 1 bag ... well ... there's a 30-degree Ozark Trail sleeping bag available at Walmart right now for $30 that measures 80x40 that I'm pretty sure will get you that nine degrees. Take care.
Looks great I might need to check that out. Get out gear sent me that down blanket and I really like that too. Have you reviewed the get out gear blanket?
Thank you for putting in the video the numbers (dimensions) when you say them. But please, write them in metric, too. Just an other small number under inches would be great! Thanks for the great review
This would appear to be a better fit than the Guide Gear liner I have been using, which was more like a second skin than a liner. I will be following for further testing.....
You sute about the zipper being on the left? Most bags and similar items the zipper side is determined by the side it is on when lying in it and from what I see it would be the tight side. Did I miss something here ?
I believe the black one comes with a central zipper (stops midway of the SB) instead of a lateral one, also the black one has straps all around it, which can be used to secure the liner inside carinthia sleeping bags. I own a "XP top Carinthia" it's a 3-in-1 sleeping bag, it's wind and water resistant, it has a central zipper and comes only in large size so you can put another sleeping bag in it to protect it from the weather AND make it warmer. It's temerature range is around 0,9°C (33.62000℉) and only wheighs 1200g (2lb 10.32oz), it also has loops inside to secure the black "Grizzly" liner inside. I've never seen a video review of the "XP top" it would be amazing to see your opinion about it especially with the compatible "Grizzly" liner.
I bought the sleeping bag that was supposed to be big enough for me, I am 6’ about 235 , if I laid on my back it was extremely tight around my shoulders, so I have a seamstress that is cutting the neck choker hole in two spots to relieve the crushing and I will be using it like a quilt. Gonna have to pass on the liner as it will most likely be to small. ( I wish it was bigger ).
The "Mummy" shape, was saved by the "Stretchy" material!! ...hate mummy shaped sleeping bags. WTF with all sleeping bag makers? Why sleep in a mummy shaped sl. bag? I aint dead for Christ's sake!!
I don't know any bag that's average dimensions may not work for me. I've been pondering something to replace my old sleeping bag poncho liner conversion.
Hey Luke. I would use the Corinthia liner along with my Big Agnes insulated Air Core Ultra sleeping pad and my SnugPak Jungle Blanket. Roughly 4 lbs total. Great review. Thank you.
@@Tellez.43 Have you used both? I let me buddy borrow my Reactor liner for our last backpacking trip, but I have yet to use it. He loved it, but I'm still trying to determine if it's worth the cost. The Carinithia appears to be twice as large, twice as heavy, but about the same cost
You mentioned that you used it with a poncho liner... Perhaps the Swagman Roll? If so what do you think the temperature rating would be for that combo (understanding that it can be subjective)? Any other recommendations on a liner that might pair up nicely with the Swagman Roll? I'm hoping to build a very lightweight versatile kit and a sleeping bag liner might be a component depending on the weather.... (it's hot as hell here in Florida)
Have you by chance gotten your hands on a Carinthia poncho liner? It's very similar to Helikon's swagman roll, and I've seen some people in forums prefer the Carinthia liner over the swagman, but haven't seen very many review videos about it. It also seems to be really hard to find and buy online. If you're able to, it'd be awesome to see you mess with it ☺️
I am curious how this liner stacks up against other liners. Liners such as Sea to Summit Thermolite liners. The Sea to Summit seem to be lighter and (depending on which Thermolite liner) around the same price. Yes, some of those other liners (like the Sea to Summit) do not appear to have zippers.
Nice review but, I would like to know how easy it is to wash and does it hold up to being washed? I look for a liner that’s comfortable, layering and to help keep my bags cleaner. Stay safe and healthy!
How's it different from other fleece liners from Amazon? I got one for $30 last year, has the same cons (and no drawstring pull to cinch up the head), but keeps me too warm, with my 20 degree bag.
Got one of these for 10 years now, and i must say it is one of the best piece of gear that i have.
I use it with the 3 different sleeping bags i got, following the temp.
Really efficient in hammock, where bags insulation is prone to compress.
And in hot summer nights, i use it alone.
On the back of your review I purchased the Carinthia Defence 1 sleeping bag. Since then I purchased the MIG 4.0 jacket. Really pleased with both. You are my go to channel for any reviews. Thank you so much for the quality and integrity you always display. Thinking I now need a sleeping bag liner. :D
Carinthia is a big name in a "circle of outdoor professionals" (military). I have a grizzly liner and S2S Reactor liner. Grizzly is ~ 150g heavier but it is significantly warmer than Sea to Summit Reactor which claims to add 18°C. to the sleep system (not really - more advertising). With Defence 6 sleeping bag + Grizzly, I can stand "Syberia coldness" - no sleeping mat under but a layer of spruce branches. With Grizzly someone doesn't need another sleeping bag in the Summer at a temperature of 15°C and up - and I am a very cold sleepier.
please make more videos about carinthia. they are awesome
Bought a fleece sleeping bag liner at Coleman store for less than $15 on sale once. It was such good deal a bought 2 more. So warm that on summer nights I just use the liner without the sleeping bag. Good construction. Had them for more than 2 years still going strong.
I just got a Carinthia Grizzly Olive liner in from Germany and put it inside my Tropen. It does not get nearly as cold in Oklahoma as it does in Germany but I slept in 28°F (no wind) and was surprisingly comfortable. I am going to sew some straps on to my Grizzly to allow it to be tied to the inside of my Tropen; I was all twisted up in the morning. If any of you are wondering about the Tropen bag, don't let the label "summer bag" dissuade you. That bag is remarkably warm for how lightweight it is. Just sayin'.
Great timing been thing of getting a bag liner instead of just buying a new bag. I like the idea of having equipment that can be skailed up or down as needed. This will fit that nicely. Thanks Luke outstanding review. Happy Thanksgiving to you and the whole family.
Perfect fit for all Defence sleeping bags. I am currently considering to use it in conjunction with the Swagman Pro
My buddy has this and the sleeping bag, and we bought swagmans this year. He loves it. I have yet to bite the bullet and buy the sleeping bag/liner, but there were plenty of nights where my swagman was fine by itself so I can only surmise that these two would make a great piece of kit together.
40 years ago I bought a 3 season bag, and found it too hot for me even when there was a light frost. So a few years later I bought a 1 season bag and a fleece liner. When camping in warm weather the liner gets used on it's own, then the bag, then the combination will take me to around freezing point. They are very versatile. I only do ten to twenty days a year, but they are still going strong. The 3 season bag only gets used when I need to provide a bag for friends or family. My liner has a fleece stuff sac which makes a great pillow when filled with a shirt or fleece top.
I would like to point out that there are also Europeans watching this channel :D
I own the G40 Liner. Bought it this year and only used it a week as a light sleepingbag in a mountain hut. This liner has the double of price but is light insulated.
Have a sea to summit liner. Don’t notice much difference but does help keep down bag clean. If gets cold have an LLBean fleece sleeping bag or wool blanket on pad then my down bag usually pretty toasty down to low temps
I am from Japan. I bought Snagpack tent after watching your video. Now I am going to order this liner.
Using it with a Defence 4 a friend of mine called it his "Defence 5" setup. As there is no Defence 5 and it improves the Defence 4 but wont be as warm as the Defence 6.
@Christopher D Defence 1 + Defence 4 = Defence 5 + Grizzly = Defence 7
I love sleeping bag liners for the warmer months. I have a thin liner (nylon), but haven't considered the fleeces. Thank you! I mostly hammock camp (easier on my back for some reason) so I'm always open to new top quilt solutions.
The millitary's polar fleece blanket works very well both inside or out with down bags.
Interesting! I have often thought that a fleece onesie might be a good way to go because your arms and legs are free. Aiding a quick exit for a midnight pee, while maintaining a reasonable degree of warmth. I'd be interested in something like a heavier weight Coolmax fleece (light warm and wicking), not the stupid cosplay things. I also think that this liner is large for me & I'd consider trimming it or turning it into said onesie.
I have a poncho liner that I currently use to boost my sleeping bag, plus a couple of other lighter weight liners, depending on season.
I like the poncho liner because with a little modification, it can be worn as clothing, which makes for a relaxed & cossie breakfast.
It generally only goes as low as -10 C around here, so I'm probably pretty well set but gear alternatives are always interesting.
Appreciate the videos.
Have an old liner like this, no idea the brand, but can't recommend this type of liner enough.
Have slept out on tops in Ireland and Scotland with sleeping-bag inside a bivvy bag, and the liner inside that, warm and dry.
They make a noticeable difference.
As an aside, I appreciate the temps also being mentioned onscreen as degrees C...that's how my Euro head works.
Always appreciate your honesty luke , and the fact u use the product b4 review
"Hunker it down" had me thinking of my man, Steve Wallis :)
Purchased on your Recommendation, Luke you are the only reviewer who I can hang my hat on 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪Atb Tony
This combined with a top quilt would be amazing.
You can try Carinthia G 40 Liner//Anders
Currently living in Carinthia, watching your video praising the brand Carinthia's products😂 of course they would be suitable for harsh alpine weather conditions. Carinthia is in a very mountainous part of Austria
used with the us mss sleep system, especially the green light weight bag...great.
Hi from the UK. Love your channel! Thanks for the advice. Looks like a great liner and would fit like a glove in the British Army modular sleeping system lightweight bag or the Corinthia Tropen bag which it rips off.
This looks promising if Carinthia were to do a center opening zip and a barrel shape.
I have the cotton/poly liner center zip opening version which works well with my Defence 1 and 4 sleeping bags to keep them clean. I understand it also works with the Tropen and Defence 6 bags. It also works well with my Varusteleka Sarma TST insulated thermal cloak which I can use as a light sleeping bag. To repeat, I got this particular liner to keep my sleeping bags clean, not for additional insulation. The center zipper opening is perfect as I can easily use either hand to unzip quickly to get out of my bags. For those of us who are blessed with broad manly chests in the 50 inch range, this barrel shaped liner allows us to sleep normally rather than feel like a sausage in a sausage casing.
On a different note, I would love for Luke to do a review of Varusteleka’s Sarma TST thermal cloak which comes in three different versions - uninsulated, 67 gm Climashield Apex, and 100gm Climashield Apex. Which version he chooses would be what works for him. Thanks!
Ok folks, I have been looking for a lightweight bag liner and just ordered one of their Carinthia Grizzly in olive green.
I respect Luke's reviews and opinions...
But be warned...
USPS shipping to the U.S. is: $41.43!
I have ordered from Poland, England and Finland, but I was shocked when I saw this shipping cost!
TOTAL: $110.98 (it better be good!!)
I bought into Carinthia products based on this review and others. I just recently spent a night in my WB BBxlc hammock insulated by the Carinthia HUQ under and Carinthia Tropen + Grizzly.
It got down to -8 Celsius(17 Fahrenheit) and I was ok albeit a tad chilly on my feet.
I know I was pushing it but I wanted to test it out.
As to the Grizzly liner. I found the black version and that has a mid zip which is great for hammock use. The zip is only half way down though. It could have been a bit longer I think.
Also I’m 178 cm long and have the 185 cm liner. It feels a little bit short. Compared to the Tropen sleeping bag which I also got in 185 that is really roomy I think. But maybe a liner is supposed to be more snug…
Anyways so far I really enjoy my gear from Carinthia. I’m in Sweden and I didn’t hear about them before. So finding them was nice.
Would be great to see a review of the HUQ hammock under quilt from Carinthia and hear your thoughts on that. I like mine although I don’t have anything to compare it to. It is a bit tricky to set up being a generalized piece of equipment but did fine in my first test night out.
Cheers everyone 👋🇸🇪
Oh! I like the idea of this liner! (Because most sleeping bag liners don't have a zipper!) I went to the link you provided and they even linked _this_ video from their website!
That sounds fantastic! ! ! Pair that with the Get Out Gear Down Puffy Camping Blanket, and maybe the Bivy Cover Sack for Military Army Modular Sleeping System: I'm betting you could use it down to 32 degrees. I'm going to purchase both the Carinthia Grizzly Sleeping Bag Liner and the Get Out Gear Down Puffy Camping Blanket. Great review as always and glad you brought this to our attention.
I just bought one of these on the strength of this video. Thanks Luke 👍. And, I managed to get a black version. First impressions are great. Plan to team it with a quilt
Nice review! I was on the fence if to buy or not, to go with my Defense 4. Now I'm happy you did your test in the perfect time! Thx Luke, greetz from Austria!
That looks huge to me for just a +9 degree liner. That stuff sack in your hand looks only a little smaller than my 0 degree sleeping bag.
That could be really nice and comfy by itself for the summer time though, when my normal sleeping bags are way too hot.
Yeah watching this I'm all "Luke that ain't a liner, that's a summer bag!"
My 20 degree EE bag is ALMOST half that size !! If the weather permits that would be a good stand alone back in the summer.
I have no idea what Luke wears when he's out at night in The Great outdoors but that is going to significantly change for each one of us and thus the temp rating/comfort.
Here in the desert in summer if I could take my skin off I would 😂
I'm the same...It's like a chunky nugget for just a liner.
Must add...I sweat in fleece. Easily.
@@trakyboy5128
What do you use?
I generally use a Snugpak Jungle Bag as my main summer bag because I like the bug net if I'm using a tarp shelter, and I sometimes use a Sea to Summit Reactor liner and/or woobie with it if I need extra warmth.
I have one of the older US Modular Sleep Systems for colder weather, but it's so damn bulky and heavy.
I wouldn't be against finding ways to make more use of the jungle bag.
@@wanderingcalamity360 I literally just re-discovered my Jungle bag with Mozzie/bug protection hood in the garage the other night. I moved here a few years ago and forgot it in the move. Coming into Summer here...it will be perfect! Cheers!
A very practical idea.. I'd use one just as you have.. stand-alone or combined with other light blanket, a sleeping bag, etc. based on conditions. It LOOKS like the fabric has a fairly smooth surface on the inside vs. "fleecy".. which is nicer than many other cheaper liners, which have fleecy texture to BOTH sides, grabbing onto whatever clothing is worn to sleep in and more likely for liner to twist, "wad up" and otherwise not stay where it should! :D Great idea for car camping/overlanding, keeping in vehicle for emergencies, and so on. :D
I want one. Thanks for the review.
Great video! I'm still in the process of getting my equipment and since I'm based in South Florida (sub-tropics) and would be going as far north as the Appalachian Trail (mid-atlantic) I'm looking for versatility in my sleeping bag....this liner sounds very promising, especially since with the slightest dip in temperature I become "frozen Rosen"! Thanks for this review and all of your continued informative videos! Wishing you and your family all the best for the Christmas holiday!
Hi, I have used a Sea to Summit Reactor Inlet for the AT, with a summer sleeping bag, same or even warmer, half weight, half or less pack size, same price or even cheaper then the Carinthia. StS has no zipper but after the 2nd or 3th night it doesn't matter.
@@swissguy8052 Thanks for the info….gonna check it out….doe REI have it in their stores to see…if not any suggestions on a store I can see it in would be appreciated….Thanks again and Merry Christmas!!!
Merry x-mas too 🎄 and yes REI have them, check with your zip code if the nearest store have it on stock
Great addition to a survival or bivvy bags on a challenging day hike. Open it up put the foot box over your head, wrap the rest around you, poncho over the top sleep against a tree or shelter from extreme weather.
I use the Snugpak jungle bag then throw the jungle blanket if it gets a bit colder, but just got the Snugpak sleeper extreme havent tried it yet but its massive... supposedly good down to -12.
I appreciate your no nonse to the point review. Thanks
I have just started using a liner, more for summer weather to layer up on cool nights. Sometimes being to hot is worse than cold
You can lower your temperature rating a lot by wearing down booties, down pants and down top.
The comfort rating is by itself and fleece might have more air passing through it by itself, so pairing it with an outer lining might boost the temperature rating a lot more because of stopping that air movement.
I think the weight is average to a little heavy, so what you pear it with shoud be very light.
Used a cheap liner and took a 0° down to 13 below zero. Was also dressed appropriately. Cold night, but I was warm . Would definitely use this liner.
Looks great if I get that it would be a staple to my main kit to just boost my sleep systems like my swagman roll, my army modular sleep system, then my regular hyke&byke sleep bag. Plus being it sounds warm id use it just by its self during the hot months
I'm always looking for a light summer type option. That may well be all I would need as I sleep (as my GF says) like a furnace.
Great review, I have been looking for something I can use as a liner. I needing something to keep me a little warmer in the cool months for camping here on gulf coast, I have lightweight sleeping bag and when temps drop in to 50s or lower just need something to get that little more warmth. My blood does not flow good in my legs and arms due to PAD so this is just what I need to keep me out there during cool months. Thanks Luke!
I have the Carinthia Defence 1 bag, and it's great. But $70 just seems too much for only an additional nine degrees. I'm not sure it's adding much more than your average $12-$15 fleece liner. Twenty degrees and it would be on my Christmas list.
I realize that 20 degrees is a big ask from a bag liner, but so is $70 if it's not really offering you much more than a cheapie.
I used my bag a few weeks ago at above 10,000 feet in the Rockies and the temps dipped down to the mid-30s. I'm a warm sleeper and it got chilly. Carinthia definitely has that 39-degree limit dialed in. Anyway, the last night I just brought a $3 fleece throw from Walmart into the bag with me and it got me that extra few degrees.
If you're car camping, the weight isn't really an issue, and if you're looking to bolster the warmth of a Defence 1 bag ... well ... there's a 30-degree Ozark Trail sleeping bag available at Walmart right now for $30 that measures 80x40 that I'm pretty sure will get you that nine degrees.
Take care.
Fantastic review, with great info. Nice one 👌👍
This would work great for when my wife kicks me to the couch for buying too much military surplus gear 👀
Looks great I might need to check that out. Get out gear sent me that down blanket and I really like that too. Have you reviewed the get out gear blanket?
Looks great. Unfortunately as a side sleeper mummy shape liners/bags just don't offer enough room inside.
I am a side sleeper too. Check out the Big Agnes Sidewinder bag, perfect for side sleepers.
Thx much! I use this liner in the Defence 4 Slepping bag! 😊
This would work well with the GI MMSS.
That looks like an amazing air mattress cover
Thank you for putting in the video the numbers (dimensions) when you say them.
But please, write them in metric, too. Just an other small number under inches would be great!
Thanks for the great review
What's the tent at 3:07?, and did you do a review of it? Nice liner and site to get it. Thanks Luke.
This would appear to be a better fit than the Guide Gear liner I have been using, which was more like a second skin than a liner. I will be following for further testing.....
You sute about the zipper being on the left? Most bags and similar items the zipper side is determined by the side it is on when lying in it and from what I see it would be the tight side. Did I miss something here ?
I believe the black one comes with a central zipper (stops midway of the SB) instead of a lateral one, also the black one has straps all around it, which can be used to secure the liner inside carinthia sleeping bags.
I own a "XP top Carinthia" it's a 3-in-1 sleeping bag, it's wind and water resistant, it has a central zipper and comes only in large size so you can put another sleeping bag in it to protect it from the weather AND make it warmer. It's temerature range is around 0,9°C (33.62000℉) and only wheighs 1200g (2lb 10.32oz), it also has loops inside to secure the black "Grizzly" liner inside.
I've never seen a video review of the "XP top" it would be amazing to see your opinion about it especially with the compatible "Grizzly" liner.
Carinthia is official supplier of various armies in Europe, including UK, Germany, NL etc. I am using the Tropen sleeping bag and I love it.
The UK MOD only bought the licence to copy the Carinthia design. It's manufacturers by Fesca and filled with cheaper, lower quality insulation.
Will it still work well if you're using a down quilt as opposed to sleeping bag?
What I like about liners is they are easy to wash than a whole bag. Just gotta wash it after every trip and wash the bag every 6th or so trips
I bought the sleeping bag that was supposed to be big enough for me, I am 6’ about 235 , if I laid on my back it was extremely tight around my shoulders, so I have a seamstress that is cutting the neck choker hole in two spots to relieve the crushing and I will be using it like a quilt. Gonna have to pass on the liner as it will most likely be to small. ( I wish it was bigger ).
Liner + MMSS Goretex Bivy, into the Fall Michigan temps..
i like the look of that Luke, might invest in one to go with my Defence 4 Thanks for sharing
The "Mummy" shape, was saved by the "Stretchy" material!! ...hate mummy shaped sleeping bags. WTF with all sleeping bag makers? Why sleep in a mummy shaped sl. bag? I aint dead for Christ's sake!!
My wife and I travel a lot and some of the places we have stayed the beds where odd this will be a game changer. N Joy
Queen size Polartec Fleece
Think it was $40 @Sportsmans Guide. Great blankets!
I do more car camping so weight is not as important as compact storage size. I'm thinking to pair this up with a wool blanket and my hammock.
Thank you Luke😺
Looks like something that would be great as an emergency blanket in the vehicle
There is also a version of the Grizzly with a center zipper - in case u are using D4 or D6...
I don't know any bag that's average dimensions may not work for me. I've been pondering something to replace my old sleeping bag poncho liner conversion.
I am thinking about getting an overlanding rig. I would love to hear about your van and why you picked the van you did. Great info all of the time.
Hey Luke. I would use the Corinthia liner along with my Big Agnes insulated Air Core Ultra sleeping pad and my SnugPak Jungle Blanket. Roughly 4 lbs total. Great review. Thank you.
I recently watched a video that showed a One Tigris product that they call a Hammock Hot Tent.
I don't pick mummy shapes as I like to put 1 knee out to the side...you people who use this would the stretch allow that and still be comfy?
Thanks for the Review...it was great...Freedom for all people...
Very good stuff. Work well with "Tropen" model.
How does this compare to the Sea-To-Summit Thermolite Reactor liner, which appears to do the same thing but in a smaller package?
Same cost or slightly more and more warmth and less weight.
@@Tellez.43 Have you used both? I let me buddy borrow my Reactor liner for our last backpacking trip, but I have yet to use it. He loved it, but I'm still trying to determine if it's worth the cost.
The Carinithia appears to be twice as large, twice as heavy, but about the same cost
Does the zipper have a cover on the inside?
What is the name of the song at the end?! Dang that's tight!!!
You mentioned that you used it with a poncho liner... Perhaps the Swagman Roll? If so what do you think the temperature rating would be for that combo (understanding that it can be subjective)? Any other recommendations on a liner that might pair up nicely with the Swagman Roll? I'm hoping to build a very lightweight versatile kit and a sleeping bag liner might be a component depending on the weather.... (it's hot as hell here in Florida)
...staying warm is good, stay safe..
Great video
Have you by chance gotten your hands on a Carinthia poncho liner? It's very similar to Helikon's swagman roll, and I've seen some people in forums prefer the Carinthia liner over the swagman, but haven't seen very many review videos about it. It also seems to be really hard to find and buy online. If you're able to, it'd be awesome to see you mess with it ☺️
I am curious how this liner stacks up against other liners. Liners such as Sea to Summit Thermolite liners. The Sea to Summit seem to be lighter and (depending on which Thermolite liner) around the same price. Yes, some of those other liners (like the Sea to Summit) do not appear to have zippers.
Do they make it for rectangular sleeping bags too?
I think it is awsome, and would use it in conjuction with my kerven bag king size and be able to go into the freezing celsius
Fleece is always a reliable material
When are you going to do another shed camping trip???
Carinthia have best price/performance!
Could you review something from Uf pro. Thank you.
left side zip available in the UK
Good videos. Thank you.
Could you do some testing on the one Tigris hammock hot tent...I seen it and would like to see some real world info on it
Nice review but, I would like to know how easy it is to wash and does it hold up to being washed? I look for a liner that’s comfortable, layering and to help keep my bags cleaner.
Stay safe and healthy!
Would love to know if you can use it "inside out"?? Then the fuzzy side would be inside and the zipper would be on the other side!
How's it different from other fleece liners from Amazon? I got one for $30 last year, has the same cons (and no drawstring pull to cinch up the head), but keeps me too warm, with my 20 degree bag.
Can I use this in winter..