I was waiting for someone to point out Sonya for the both-ult conversation. Wrath plus leap would be a pretty unstoppable 1-shot... but probably Varian edges her out in pure stats if he gets all his level 4's. I thought about a hypothetical "hyper mode" brawl where heroes get all their talents each level, and I think Varian, Sonya, Diablo, and most mages would be top tier. Mages just get such good talents because they have to specialize in one or a few of their abilities, but the different builds would often synergize with each other. Similarly imagining Diablo with all his talents at 7 and especially 16...
When there's a single hero in a lane pushing into one viking and damaging towers, the rest of the team needs to either come gank, or push harder in their own lane. If your team can't do either, then why even use split vikings? Don't give Illidan 3 minutes of doing what he likes.
The problem is that even all 3 vikings cannot stop most of solo laners from pushing, at least in early game. They're so weak at everything out of afk soaking.
@@soak_king Three vikings working together can stop almost any hero from solo pushing. Maybe not a very strong one like Zagara / Hammer, but almost everyone.
@@shinote4 both Zagara and Hammer are not solo laners, at least in high leagues. They're always played in 4 men. That's why mentioning them is silly. Then, I wonder how can vikings stop such a busted heroes as Sonya, Malthael, Hogger, Artanis, Leoric or Illidan. Their dps is not enough to out trade any of these heroes, their waveclear is too slow and it can be easily negated by pressuring Baleog, and if they try to stall every minion wave to prevent pushing, they will lose the trade eventually and their lane will be pushed.
@soak_king Yes, Zagara and Hammer are not solo laners, so there are no solo laners who can easily push into three Vikings. Sonya, Malthael, Leoric, Hogger, Illidan, and Artanis have no way to pressure Baelog near towers. Also, three Vikings have more dps than any one of those heroes. To beat their dps you'd need Greymane or Zuljin.
Does the 20 talent become gain other ult or do they gain it automatically at 20? A lot of heroes already have a super strong 20 talent that isn't worth taking a 2nd ult
Illidan
0:45 Let the Battle begin
0:52 Unending Hatred Lvl 1
2:35 Hunter’s Onslaught Lvl 4 Dings 6
4:21 Unbound Lvl 7 Dings 11
6:33 The Hunt Lvl 10 Dings 40
6:32 Quest Complete Unending Hatred 40/40
6:58 Still Winning though HL 1
8:44 Elusive Strike Lvl 13 Dings 50
9:29 6 Cap HL 2
11:52 Blades of Azzinoth Lvl 16 Dings 54
12:32 That’s Game HL 3 Dings 69
14:06 MVP
LONG LIVE HOTS
I was waiting for someone to point out Sonya for the both-ult conversation. Wrath plus leap would be a pretty unstoppable 1-shot... but probably Varian edges her out in pure stats if he gets all his level 4's.
I thought about a hypothetical "hyper mode" brawl where heroes get all their talents each level, and I think Varian, Sonya, Diablo, and most mages would be top tier. Mages just get such good talents because they have to specialize in one or a few of their abilities, but the different builds would often synergize with each other. Similarly imagining Diablo with all his talents at 7 and especially 16...
Zeratul with all talents
One of your best games for a while.
Interesting bug at 6:32, the icon for the Illidan quest is replaced by the Muradin quest icon.
True, in the middle of the screen, not on the left.
Suddenly need to see fan 1v5 with Whitemane with both ults
Gmane bullet and throat can probably delete with mix or range and melee with engage/disengage
12:32 jeez damn dive comp deleted the enemy team
When there's a single hero in a lane pushing into one viking and damaging towers, the rest of the team needs to either come gank, or push harder in their own lane. If your team can't do either, then why even use split vikings? Don't give Illidan 3 minutes of doing what he likes.
it was just a bad team comp. not much their team can do. Fans team wins team fights really hard, can't out macro if you're dead
The problem is that even all 3 vikings cannot stop most of solo laners from pushing, at least in early game. They're so weak at everything out of afk soaking.
@@soak_king Three vikings working together can stop almost any hero from solo pushing. Maybe not a very strong one like Zagara / Hammer, but almost everyone.
@@shinote4 both Zagara and Hammer are not solo laners, at least in high leagues. They're always played in 4 men. That's why mentioning them is silly.
Then, I wonder how can vikings stop such a busted heroes as Sonya, Malthael, Hogger, Artanis, Leoric or Illidan. Their dps is not enough to out trade any of these heroes, their waveclear is too slow and it can be easily negated by pressuring Baleog, and if they try to stall every minion wave to prevent pushing, they will lose the trade eventually and their lane will be pushed.
@soak_king Yes, Zagara and Hammer are not solo laners, so there are no solo laners who can easily push into three Vikings. Sonya, Malthael, Leoric, Hogger, Illidan, and Artanis have no way to pressure Baelog near towers. Also, three Vikings have more dps than any one of those heroes. To beat their dps you'd need Greymane or Zuljin.
Does the 20 talent become gain other ult or do they gain it automatically at 20? A lot of heroes already have a super strong 20 talent that isn't worth taking a 2nd ult
How is Jun and Fan nowadays?
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