WHAT DOES THE SALE OF TIM IROEGBUNAM MEAN FOR ASTON VILLA?? (Everton £10m Confirmed)
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- Опубліковано 17 чер 2024
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As an Evertonian, I find it wonderful that all these clubs want Onana for 50m+. If selling him means we can keep Branthwaite and Pickford, I'd bite your hands off. Onana has potential but I warn you, he flatters to deceive. Iroegbunham is exactly the kind of signing we should be making. Young, point to prove, sell-on value (a bit like Onana was). Hopefully this deal works out for both of our great clubs.
I totally agree 👍UTFT✊️✊️
Yeah true a lot at stake for you although I feel Jared could be off to United soon! I think he would defo fit how Emery plays and he could develop well, but you guys are getting a great player in Tim! I wish you all the best’ I will never forget the Cazoo title race back in lockdown 🤣🤣🤝
Always 🦁🦁🦁🦁🦁
@@LetsTalkVillaBranthwaite will only go if a team meets our valuation. United’s pathetic “be realistic” comments, just demonstrate what an arrogant set of bells they are. Pay up or fuck off, Sir Jim.
Looking forward to see how Villa do in the CL this year. Best of luck to you.
Villa are doing great things recently and us Everton fans are pleased for you. But we are both beings hamstrung by the stupid psr regulations which seems designed to hinder us, but help the biggest clubs stay big. Having said that, I think this is good business for my club. And, helpful for yours. So it's a win win.
Hopefully this works for everyone involved and we can re-spark the Cazoo title race 🤝🦁
@@LetsTalkVilla rebranded as the Castore shirt wars 👀🤪🤣
It’s just a PsR deal. We buy this lad, you buy Dobbins. We both win in PSR as both players pure profit.
Yeah I think it works well for both but you guys have got such a player in Tim 🤝🦁
A £10m sale does not count as £40m on the books. It counts as £10m.
The term "pure profit" is becoming overused, is misunderstood and I think is being confused with amortisation.
A £10m sale goes straight onto the accounts as income.
A purchase of £10m is accounted for over the length of a players contract (amortisation) Meaning £2m on current accounts and £2m each year after for 4 years (on a typical 5 year contract).
This technically and typically means You can sell a £10m player and purchase a £50m player and it be balanced on the current years accounts. However you still have to find that extra £10m each of the next 4 years. (I think this may be what you're thinking about).
Now, usually when a player is sold outstanding payments are due on the purchase price you paid for him. Lets say we had bought Irrogbunum for £10m 2 years ago on a 5 year deal. We would have paid £4m and still owe £6m. A £10m sale is only worth £4m as we need to still pay that £6m over 3 years. Though fornthis accounting period it would be an £8m profit with pure losses of £2m for each of the 2 years after.
This isn't the case for academy players, as you're not paying a previous transfer fee on him. People only recognise academy players on a "pure profit" discussion. However it is also true of players for which their transfer fee in has already been paid off. So if a player signed for 5 years, and then extended at any point during that time, on his 6th year, you would owe no money on him. A sale would be "pure profit".
It's worth noting that "pure profit" is only a term and not really representative of any situation. All players are paid and academys have millions pumped into them with each graduate costing a fair sum of money to develope into a pro.
Good post, I’m surprised how widespread the confusion about this has gotten.
@@anthonyhharper8512 Thanks.
It's not that surprising to me. I find it strange when it keeps being explained on MSM. I find it to not be too complicated a concept and get annoyed/bored with constant simple explanations.
Two main problems is that many people don't consume news/media past headlines or short clips and then themselves type a short misinformed comment/post on social media. Also those explaining it in the first place are always described as experts but don't understand it past the simple terms we do.
I was listening to a so called expert the other day waiting to hear how the Luiz transfer works because it makes no sense under current rules. When asked about it he skirted the question. I learned nothing. Some have said there are new rules but I think this is more of the 1st problem I mentioned. I have looked for these new rules and can find nothing.
If the class is disruptive and the teacher knows nothing at all, you have no hope.
You’d think people earned a salary for the amount of effort they put into comments
@@honestopinions3504 I could type a single sentence saying he's wrong without explaining why and helping nobody.
Typically such comments get likewise short responses to, that you end up responding to with the full information and explanation anyway.
Instead I now find myself further discussing the length of my comment instead of its content. I can't win. 🤣
@outofthetrash5925 Don't bother justifying yourself. Just post and let others find the value. If what you posted is useful and worthwhile information most people will appreciate it, but you can't allow yourself to worry about the ones who don't. That's their problem , not yours 😂
You can’t just multiply a number by four to see the impact on PSR. The impact is the number not a multiple. Multipliers only work on incomings through amortisation over the length of contract. If we have a £60m hole, selling a player for £10m brings the gap down by £10m not £40m
Yes someone explained it now thank you, I find it to be a minefield to keep up with the baby and work and all the new rules 🤣🙄
UTV 🦁🦁
Onana has good potential but in reality he is only third choice behind James Garner and Gana at Everton. He gets himself noticed due to his size, his personality and is always cheerleading the crowd and first to talk to the TV.
So far he is a pretty average DM and not a 40m player, so a gamble, not the finished article as you would want for that money, that is why most fans want him sold ahead of Pickford or Branthwaite
Ahhhh I see, it would appear after all of that it was Lewis Dobbin anyway ✌🏻
What can you say about him? 🤔
Do you not understand you’re getting Dobbin moving the other way from Everton. It’s just a pure PsR deal for both clubs.
I totally get it dont worry 🤣 you guys defo got the better deal 🤔
Dobbin definitely has upside - just not a dyche winger
If true and happens I think it's a fair price. Should of put a sell on clause in his deal. As he might get good. No where near good enough for first team prem football at the moment.
Tbf the finer details of the deal aren’t public yet, just the initial agreed fee, I’d be surprised if there aren’t clauses in there as we seem to be utilising them a lot recently!
no he is a grower over the season,, he is decent and a shame to let him grow
sadly we need a higher level now and he wont reach that for maby a few years
but good luck to him
The reason for the sale of him and luiz is due to psr issues won't be able to afford Onana for 50 million plus he wants a London or a french side move
You need to understand PSR it is within 3 year brackets and our three year accounts finish end of June. After this Villa can spend as within separate accounts.
@@Sank1982 they all say that...as for Onana so overrated he was terrible the other night Belgium
It defo is, I’m hearing that we may be able to spend money in July, I wonder if that’s true 🤔🤔
I thought he was alright!
Does it reset this June?
It means we have more money the end
Seems we need it 🤣🤣
Looking that way with Chelsea and juventus playing around trying to get cut price deals.
Onana isn't a good fit for us. Tim looks a better fit. I'd be happy if onana went to villa
I’d defo take that, UTV and up the toffee’s 🟣🔵🤝
Good bit of business there
Tbf there are worse deals we’ve been a part of! I just wish Tim all the best ❤️
Did he Say villa are a big Európean club?
Who? Me? Truth no? 👀
Shame he is a talent. Hope a buy back is in the deal he will come good with game time
He has all of the attributes to be a solid PL 6/8, we will have to wait to see the clauses in the deal 👀
As an everton it looks like we have got decent player with lots potential. @@LetsTalkVilla
Hey how does it work for costing if we swap players ie in the pending deal for Dougie...
Do the swap players go down as a cost or just a wage cost 🤔
The Dougie one is eluding me. People talking about new rules that I can find absolutely nothing about and wouldn't work anyway.
Swap deals were never common but are becoming more common in a sense. That sense is that they are not swap deals.
The last few years what teams have done is each bought a player from One another to help the accounts.
So City bought Kovacic for £40m and then a few weeks later sold Palmer to Chelsea for £40m. To me and you that's a swap. However if they just swapped them they don't get the benifits of juicing the accounts.
When Chelsea sell Kovacic, they put the £40m straight onto the accounts. When they buy Palmer for £40m (on a 5 year contract) they account for £8m this season and then £8m for 4 more years (5 years total). So on this years accounts they made a £40m sale and spent £8m so they are in profit £32m on that "swap deal" for this year only. City also account theirs the same.
For the next 4 years both City and Chelsea still need to find the extra £8m a year to pay it off.
So "swap deals" are becoming more common but they're not really swap deals. Each club pays for the player and both get to make their accounts fall within FFP rules for 1 more year.
The Luiz one is weird because its being suggested it is a straight swap but we also get cash. The normal way would be We pay for McKennie and Jrn and Juve just pay us more for Luiz. If it's a proper swap, we can only put the £15m on the books and Juve don't get any money to put on their books for this year. People are saying new rules mean that we can put the value of Jnr and McKennie on the books as cash as if we sold Luiz for £60m.
This makes zero sense. Even if it could be done, who values the players? We didn't pay for them so we didn't. It would require a 3rd party valuer to make sure it was fair. Having a 3rd party would be even more messy than clubs valuing players at whatever they want after not paying for them. I can find nothing on these supposed new rules from EUFA or the PL. I think someone has gotten confused, typed something on Twitter or something and it's been picked upon by others that don't understand but report it anyway.
Like out of the trash said, it’s really confusing, luckily I’m sure there are people at Villa getting paid big bucks to know the rules inside and out and hopefully avoid any breaches! 🤔🤣
Us and Everton right now 🤝🤣
Up the Onana
What a bloody baller he is by the way 🤝
@@LetsTalkVilla do you ever get jealous of certain players teams in around you (which Everton were at the time) have that you just wish wore your shirt but know are destined for champions league ect. Onana has been one. Hope he lives up to what I seen in him, with Villa or not. Just cus I called it to friends 😂 preferably with the mighty Villa.. In the Champions league 😁
He was one of the few academy products coming through. Shame. Seems our academy is now just a ‘development factory’ to sell on.
It seems to be the best way to skirt around FFP, all the teams will be doing it soon!
Makes sense if it cleary £40M on the books. You can't knock that at all.
It doesn't. It adds just under £10m. If memory serves we got him from West Brom in 2021 and had to pay £1m compensation. On a 5 year contract we are paying £200k to West Brom a year and still owe £400k. A sale of £10m represents £9.6m profit or £9.8m this year with a complete loss of £200k next year on a player we no longer have.
I've explained in another comment here if a better explanation is needed.
I mayyyy have got that wrong sorry PSR is such a minefield 🤣🤣
Thanks for that too mate going to read it soon
Seems a bit light,I would of asked for more than that,
Yeah like I said in the video I think a £15-20m price tag would have been fair 🤔
Hold out and you can probably get £12m maybe even £15m or you you risk it not happening at all. We need a sale before June 30th so just get it done.
Everton also need sales so, I assume they know they're making One soon to be spending. Given it's a MF they'rebuying, it's probably Onana.
To that end they may even know the fee they're selling for and have worked out they can thus spend £10m (£2m on this year for a 5 year contract). If that's the case, they may not be able to do more, so We take what We can.
On the other end, if Onana is being sold, perhaps it's to us so being cooperative with them now rather than messing around may even help us there.
Sorry you don’t understand PSR. Pure profit means the whole transfer fee so in this case 10 million pounds
Correct but that's not even applicable here. TI was signed from West Brom acadamy in 21/22. We had to pay £1m compensation which should mean We're still paying £200k per year for 3 years to come unless the £1m was paid cash, which I doubt.
I heard wrong on another podcast sorry! Thanks for letting me know though I won’t make that mistake again’ 🤝
Hmmm when does it reset to be our academy product as he played in the academy for a couple of years 🤔🤔
@@LetsTalkVilla You are simply paying his transfer fee/compensation fee divided up over the course of his initial contract signed. Tbf the amount is negligible here, really only worth mentioning to understand what is meant by "pure profit".
If we did account as having paid the £1m straight away in cash, we owe nothing on him and by this metric he would count as "pure profit". But for even the smallest fee, it's unlikely any club does that
@@outofthetrash5925 I’m not sure academy compensation counts towards PSR or not. If it does you have to split the fee over the length of contract.So if he was given 5 years that would be 200 thousand a year. If he has done 3 years that will mean there will be 400 thousand left which you take off the transfer fee giving 9.6 mill profit which is still pretty good
Never heard of him! £10M for a 20 yo I've never heard of! Kerrching!! 😂
He did make 15 appearances for us this season.
He is a really good player, but we’re clearly going in a different direction now so it’s a good deal too 🤝
Did expect more from
Him in those games tbf!