I've always considered the VG-33 to be one of the most elegant, most beautiful and certainly the most promising fighter ever designed or developed in the late 1930's. It's even more beautiful than Belgium's Rennard series of designs! What a shame that it never got its chance to shine, since its lightness and lower wing loading would have made it the most agile monoplane fighter around at the time, while also being slightly faster than either the bf-109 E series or Spitfire Mk I. If only they'd started production a few months earlier, the VG-33 would've flown rings around the bf-109 E3 or E4! What a thrill it must have been to fly this delightful little warbird. Now, if only someone would build an airworthy reproduction!😉
The Arsenal VG33 with 860hp was short on power and altitude performance vs. the Bf109E. The Hispano-Suiza Y12 hab a number of undesirable design features, the most import being that exaust and intake manifolds were on the same side, thus breathing heated air. In a prolonged turning fight it would have lost energy quicker than its opponent.
If only France had the time to produce these before the war. Arsenal VG 33 could have been a name as famous as Spitfire or BF 109. It also had great upgrade potential, and would likely still have been around at the end of the war.
If only the French had taken a closer look at the Bf109 they had got hold off during the Spanish Civil War. But they gave it straight back to the Germans.
The D520 and the H75 were not so bad against the 109 but the main problem was the use of them (and also the tanks) and the global strategy. Even with spitfires France loose with the same strategy and tactics. Even those who blame the MS406 forget that some futur Aces of the luftwaffe like Moelders were shot down by them.
@@zorbeclegras5708 , Personally I don’t think that any blame could be placed upon the allied AirPower or strategy, the real reason France, the Low Countries and the BEF failed to at least hold the Nazis was on the ground, and not because of the fighting men but because the tactics and tactical mindset of the allied commanders was stuck somewhere between 1914-1918, they were expecting another trench war scenario and even when the Nazis brushed aside the frontlines they wouldn’t adapt accordingly, but that is what happens when you insist on giving overall command to geriatric generals and field marshal’s who wouldn’t listen to the frontline officers, so to apportion blame upon the air support would be totally unfair in my opinion.
@@allandavis8201 I agree with you. France stayed stuck in the first world war. Some younger officers like De Gaulle(Who was Colonel in the Armored) tried to develop new ideas, especially about the war of movement, but they were not listened. Ironically De Gaulle's writings explaining the flaws of static defense fell into the hands of the German Army who of course reveled in them! Part of the German strategy was French!
After ww2 did Dewoitine fit a D520 with a RR Merlin for tests (D521), and it reweals that the D520 was 30km/h faster than a spitfire with the same engine…
You have to admit it was extremely impressive the Soviets could get more power out of the HS12Y in their M105 version wasn't the Mikulin M35 and M38 also based on the 12Y?
Just found your series. Love them so far. Maybe you can run a voice modulator to level out your recordings. Startled me so many times with the loudness of the beginning words. Plus, how about some kind of conversion from meter to inches? Others doing these kinds of videos will use over laid text to convert. Otherwise, excellent videos.
Isn’t it a pity that this aircraft didn’t have a chance to actually prove itself in action, there just wasn’t enough time to manufacture significant numbers to equip enough French squadrons and hold back the Nazis long enough to make the Germans think hard about their future plans and potentially allowing more BEF and other forces to escape across the channel, with larger amounts of personnel and equipment saved the balance of power might have not taken so long to tilt back towards the allies. One slight criticism about the narration, you are obviously a very knowledgeable team and well researched topics, but it would be more accurate to compare this aircraft with the Hurricane and BF-109 as they were the true backbone of the RAF and Luftwaffe, the spitfire was the “glamour and glitz” of the RAF during the war but the real hero was the Hurricane, and to describe the Vichy French region as unoccupied isn’t truly accurate, I think we all know that the Vichy were a puppet state with absolutely no real authority, the number of Germans within the region were small by comparison to the occupied regions but they could have deposed the Vichy French in days if not hours had Hitler decided to give the order. Absolutely no offence intended but I do tend to voice my opinion, sometimes harshly, but in this case it is meant to be constructive in nature, this is a very interesting and informative video, thanks for sharing your knowledge and thoughts with us all. 😀👍🇬🇧🏴🇺🇦
No mention of liter meter, this do not exists, only mention was square meter for wing surface , and fuel capacity in liter , altitude in meters,, and speed in km/h, that’s all, cease to think in british imperial…who was never use on ww2 french (or german) aircrafts…
the socialo-communist alliance known under the name of "front polulaire" voted more important credits between 1936 and 1938 and launched efforts of construction, under the impulse of the minister Roger Salengro (victim of an odious defamatory campaign on the part of of the right-wing press) but a lot of delay had been accumulated by the right over the years and the replacement of a deflated centrist in 39 because the socialist Leon Blum resigned because his reforms were not endorsed by parliament has finalized the nailing of the coffin.
The biggest problem was memories of World War I. The people of France did not want to go to war. In the late 30s they realized war was an eventuality but they started rearming 6 months too late
I've always considered the VG-33 to be one of the most elegant, most beautiful and certainly the most promising fighter ever designed or developed in the late 1930's. It's even more beautiful than Belgium's Rennard series of designs! What a shame that it never got its chance to shine, since its lightness and lower wing loading would have made it the most agile monoplane fighter around at the time, while also being slightly faster than either the bf-109 E series or Spitfire Mk I. If only they'd started production a few months earlier, the VG-33 would've flown rings around the bf-109 E3 or E4!
What a thrill it must have been to fly this delightful little warbird. Now, if only someone would build an airworthy reproduction!😉
The Arsenal VG33 with 860hp was short on power and altitude performance vs. the Bf109E. The Hispano-Suiza Y12 hab a number of undesirable design features, the most import being that exaust and intake manifolds were on the same side, thus breathing heated air. In a prolonged turning fight it would have lost energy quicker than its opponent.
If only France had the time to produce these before the war. Arsenal VG 33 could have been a name as famous as Spitfire or BF 109. It also had great upgrade potential, and would likely still have been around at the end of the war.
If only the French had taken a closer look at the Bf109 they had got hold off during the Spanish Civil War. But they gave it straight back to the Germans.
The D520 and the H75 were not so bad against the 109 but the main problem was the use of them (and also the tanks) and the global strategy. Even with spitfires France loose with the same strategy and tactics. Even those who blame the MS406 forget that some futur Aces of the luftwaffe like Moelders were shot down by them.
@@zorbeclegras5708 , Personally I don’t think that any blame could be placed upon the allied AirPower or strategy, the real reason France, the Low Countries and the BEF failed to at least hold the Nazis was on the ground, and not because of the fighting men but because the tactics and tactical mindset of the allied commanders was stuck somewhere between 1914-1918, they were expecting another trench war scenario and even when the Nazis brushed aside the frontlines they wouldn’t adapt accordingly, but that is what happens when you insist on giving overall command to geriatric generals and field marshal’s who wouldn’t listen to the frontline officers, so to apportion blame upon the air support would be totally unfair in my opinion.
@@allandavis8201 I agree with you. France stayed stuck in the first world war. Some younger officers like De Gaulle(Who was Colonel in the Armored) tried to develop new ideas, especially about the war of movement, but they were not listened. Ironically De Gaulle's writings explaining the flaws of static defense fell into the hands of the German Army who of course reveled in them! Part of the German strategy was French!
Amazing! We love it!
Super vidéo comme toujours !
Very interesting about Clermont-Ferrand = Michelin firm and the Breguet 14 ww1 experience
Nice job!
Awsome Video ! Could you do even more obscure French designs like D.55X familly, the Payen Pa22 or the Arsenal-Delanne 10 ?
And now I'm imagining someone mating this to the Rolls Royce Merlin...
After ww2 did Dewoitine fit a D520 with a RR Merlin for tests (D521), and it reweals that the D520 was 30km/h faster than a spitfire with the same engine…
Merci
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Ive been sent here from Tank Encyclopedia.
You have to admit it was extremely impressive the Soviets could get more power out of the HS12Y in their M105 version wasn't the Mikulin M35 and M38 also based on the 12Y?
The air tech race must've been such an exciting thing to have been a part of
Just found your series. Love them so far. Maybe you can run a voice modulator to level out your recordings. Startled me so many times with the loudness of the beginning words. Plus, how about some kind of conversion from meter to inches? Others doing these kinds of videos will use over laid text to convert. Otherwise, excellent videos.
This thing is a seal clubber in War Thunder.
All I know is that I slay in warthunder with this model.
What happened to MPH ?
485kph = 301mph
MPH is not internationaly allowed in aviation, only Knots/Nautical miles…The world did use metric not egocentric british imperial obsolete units…
Isn’t it a pity that this aircraft didn’t have a chance to actually prove itself in action, there just wasn’t enough time to manufacture significant numbers to equip enough French squadrons and hold back the Nazis long enough to make the Germans think hard about their future plans and potentially allowing more BEF and other forces to escape across the channel, with larger amounts of personnel and equipment saved the balance of power might have not taken so long to tilt back towards the allies.
One slight criticism about the narration, you are obviously a very knowledgeable team and well researched topics, but it would be more accurate to compare this aircraft with the Hurricane and BF-109 as they were the true backbone of the RAF and Luftwaffe, the spitfire was the “glamour and glitz” of the RAF during the war but the real hero was the Hurricane, and to describe the Vichy French region as unoccupied isn’t truly accurate, I think we all know that the Vichy were a puppet state with absolutely no real authority, the number of Germans within the region were small by comparison to the occupied regions but they could have deposed the Vichy French in days if not hours had Hitler decided to give the order.
Absolutely no offence intended but I do tend to voice my opinion, sometimes harshly, but in this case it is meant to be constructive in nature, this is a very interesting and informative video, thanks for sharing your knowledge and thoughts with us all. 😀👍🇬🇧🏴🇺🇦
Looks like an Italian 🍕 Re.2005?
I don't think so.
Looks as a french Spitfire
What's a liter meters?
Timestamp please
@@PlaneEncyclopediaYT I think he's asking how many liters are in a meter
No mention of liter meter, this do not exists, only mention was square meter for wing surface , and fuel capacity in liter , altitude in meters,, and speed in km/h, that’s all, cease to think in british imperial…who was never use on ww2 french (or german) aircrafts…
France's main problem was the government hated the armed forces .
the socialo-communist alliance known under the name of "front polulaire" voted more important credits between 1936 and 1938 and launched efforts of construction, under the impulse of the minister Roger Salengro (victim of an odious defamatory campaign on the part of of the right-wing press) but a lot of delay had been accumulated by the right over the years and the replacement of a deflated centrist in 39 because the socialist Leon Blum resigned because his reforms were not endorsed by parliament has finalized the nailing of the coffin.
@@zorbeclegras5708 - Ol leftoid over here, comin in fast and false with the enormous spin move.
The biggest problem was memories of World War I. The people of France did not want to go to war. In the late 30s they realized war was an eventuality but they started rearming 6 months too late
All we read is how England let France down by not supplying enough Hurricanes but where's the French air force?
Hurricane was not performing against me109’s, Dewoitine D520 or H75 was far better…
@@leneanderthalien but they couldnt make enough of them because socialism...sounds like france's fault