So thankful that you are actually explaining a very close and hard game instead of just explaining a stomp like most do. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
IE full crit gives best damage in theory but in practice you lack the stickiness/mobility and this is where the utility and quickecheaper spikes from lethality items shines.
Hey clone, your videos are awesome! Keep it going! Also I am a gold shaco player and I created my own build for s14 split 2. Maybe you should try it. Knowing how much you love 1-shots, you'd love it. Normal HoB runes (since crit items are expensive you can take cash back and approach velocity as secondary). It goes like: Tiamat rush -> berserkers -> profane hydra(its just tooo good not to take it) -> The collector -> Infinity Edge -> Shieldbow/ LDR -> LDR/ Shield Bow (in my gold-elo games players dont build ressistences so I usually go shieldbow 5h) ->upgrade boots to Zephyr. No ADC+enchanter stand a chance (even with Bloodthirster shield supports dont react fast enough to heal the adc. Gold elo things
so my build for ad shaco is profane hydra into kraken. u have the dmg and also farm faster. bloodthirster, volt are usually my next items. last item u can buy what u need against enemy team. try it out, works pretty good.
ive posted a few amateur league vids and ever since ive been recommended other amateur league posters ty for the vid, ive always had trouble vs shaco and never knew a good shaco besides pinkward but he is a laner. now i can finally start to understand and counter him
I just had a game exactly like this where I really couldn't kill anyone on the enemy team unless they were isolated. I started split pushing, my team got triple inhib, even baron, and we still couldn't end even though they had open nexus. Their wave clear was too good. We baited them to coming to an elder dragon fight, but I was hiding in the enemy jungle the whole time. When they came to elder, I just Q R to their nexus and end lol.
This was a lucky game also i gotta say. Normally when you get this behind with shaco on high elo games, enemy forces and takes out every single jungle camp that spawns on your side. Due to that you can't even go to split push because they are in your jungle. Due to this, i always try going tiamat first to make the jungle clear better so i can match up with enemy jungler and farm my camps properly. I think Shaco is highly dependent on farming. Even if you get a lot of kills, once you die, it can flip the game. That's why it's always been so risky to play ad shaco compared to ap. Just enemy turning their back around and you missing your crit at the first invisible hit, can let enemy come back at around 30 mins or later. Specially in high elo, we have to master the champ and the game knowledge just like you showed. People tend to forget the fact that taking Nexus wins the game, not killing the enemy. You can still win by being behind 10k gold if you play your cards correctly. This is a perfect example why in high elo, players don't give up that easily. You can see the "not-focused" players such as Ezreal in this case. He always died because he was alone somewhere in the map and didn't respect Shaco's capability of hunting him down. On top of this i can suggest one more thing, put wards in enemy jungle as much as you can. Even in high elo, you can see support players that has 30 vision scores in 30 mins. They might not ward. BUT if you are playing Shaco and you know exactly who is where, that changes things. Because hunting people down in their jungle when they don't even expect you, that changes the game a lot. If someone on your team is going base, you dont have to cover them in most cases. Specially if they're not low hp. With this trick, i changed the game result so many times in past few seasons. Always watch your enemy and think where they might be going. Always, thanks for the great tips, i enjoy watching them. Quite insightful and i think a lot of people will get a new perspective from this one
But the whole point of AD Shaco is to play aggressive and gank early game, go damage and one shot The way you win is by giving your team that early game advantage I may have been behind compared to Fiddle but my team was able to keep up because through ganks we won lanes, especially Bot And we also secured early dragons, resulting in getting the soul and Elder later on Had I afk farmed Fiddle would have taken all of that and we would likely have lost In regards to warding the enemy jungle, since I go detector, I always get control wards and place one or two boxes in their jungle for vision but before an objective to zone and the go for picks
@@TheClone You are right, when you get a huge lead with AD, you can basicly stomp enemy completely. I like the way you just stopped their winning routes like Trick2g does :D I just wanted to mention the fact that in high elo games, there are games like this. Even if you miss your back stab once, game can change turn around. It's completely our own confidence and decision making as Shaco players. One of the main reasons why i like to watch Shaco otps Will be looking forward for upcoming videos, cheers!
Concerning earlygame, what to do when neither your gank works nor u can force your support to help on drake, what would be the best thing to do in most cases ?
Thanks, I went for Serylda's because I was full lethality and thus wanted even more for the synergy. I only swapped to Infinity at the end when I had a full Build. Crit can do more damage, but with lethality I got a faster power spike and had better one shot potential with Profane as seen at the end where I one shotted Quinn and Nami Otherwise, if I had went more Crit, like with Collector and Infinity, I would have also gotten Lord Dominik's of course :)
From my experience with the play style that I use, Tiamat is pretty useless in fights, I rush Brutalizer if I'm going Profane or Dirk, this way the power spike is quite insane and you can 1v1 and even soft one shot early game with Ignite
The Zeke's change could be interesting now that it gives both mana and health I used to run it back when you could link it to an Ally and moving your clone would activate it if you're tank you're not too concerned with juking folk out with your clone but obv still can
obviously you made it to master/GM... but AD feels like scam for most of the ppl. Feels weak, is unconsistent. Fiddle is level 8 while you are level 5... if you don't get any kills because you have bad micro / macro you lost level 5 unless you are Master+ ("High Elo"). Play AP and go with the flow. We don't have to force anything when it isn't a AD Meta. Peace clones
With AD Shaco you are indeed very dependent on having a good early game to keep up with the enemy jungler but I don't force it, I play AD over AP because I enjoy it a lot more, screw the meta 😎
Thats why u always invade gank and snowball as AD shaco, in my case i always be 2-3 levels above everyone else, whole game of oneshots, until my team sells the game.
Video was on my recommended bro and gave it a watch...I don't really like the title because the jungling in the video is clearly not how a 'Challenger jungler' plays, and you even admitted in the video that you were trying to get to GM, so I guess you're not Challenger and therefore just clickbaited. The title also says 'How', so unless you point out real concrete applicable things for someone to go and do themselves, it's not a 'How' video...which I don't think this is. This is all just my opinion, but I don't see the point in doing Blue-Gromp-Red when you can just do Wolves instead, Red Buff is only good if you're starting Blue-Gromp because you see bot fighting already and Red Buff is obviously > than Wolves in a fight, but they are not fighting, full HP and nothing happening. When you kill Ezreal you should shove out that bot wave because Samira is nowhere near that wave to do it herself. After you kill Ezreal the invade is what defines this elo - you're just invading because you know the enemy jungler is there, but you should be invading because you know 100% you win a fight vs enemy jungle and surrounding lanes. Karma is out of base with homeguards, Ezreal soon too so if you run in there which is 15 seconds away and it will be 3:15ish (Fiddle will be finishing clear and Level 4), you're asking to die. Thresh is also on a base because HP/mana so it's just a massive flip that works because Karma feels sorry for the invade. After you do the bot Crab you should insta recall and just go Gromp (4:15), Wolves, and path towards the bot lane that burned Flashes, and you can even pressure Fiddle's bot jungle. Instead, you run through mid showing yourself, and get 70 gold in 40 seconds while being 'on the map'. 40 seconds = two camps usually, and they are way more gold than one Crab. So in the time you do both Crabs, I'm about to hit Gromp and path down with gold spent...big tempo miss which is the big diff between this elo and higher. You say at some point that Grubs are pointless...well it depends no? If you have a split-pushing top laner like a Yorick/Tryndamere etc then Grubs are good. But that isn't jungling. If the game/map tells you to do Grubs, then you can do them...if the game tells you no, then you can't (just like invading). Because of all this, you're Level 4 against a Level 6?! Fiddle at that early stage of a game. You could easily be the same level and in the same kills and potentially more making those moves I detailed above. So yeh, I think it's really pushing it titling the video 'How to CARRY with Shaco Like a CHALLENGER JUNGLER'.
This was a great video, dude! Shaco has always been one of my favorites. I’d say this video perfectly narrates how to play.
Thanks a lot mate! Hopefully I'll post some more once a big cool update drops that's worth covering!
That quin 1 shot was so satisfying 14:24
Btw, great review showcasing shaco's strengths and being patient around his weaknesses
So thankful that you are actually explaining a very close and hard game instead of just explaining a stomp like most do. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
Always my pleasure mate!
IE full crit gives best damage in theory but in practice you lack the stickiness/mobility and this is where the utility and quickecheaper spikes from lethality items shines.
Hey clone, your videos are awesome! Keep it going! Also I am a gold shaco player and I created my own build for s14 split 2. Maybe you should try it. Knowing how much you love 1-shots, you'd love it. Normal HoB runes (since crit items are expensive you can take cash back and approach velocity as secondary). It goes like: Tiamat rush -> berserkers -> profane hydra(its just tooo good not to take it) -> The collector -> Infinity Edge -> Shieldbow/ LDR -> LDR/ Shield Bow (in my gold-elo games players dont build ressistences so I usually go shieldbow 5h) ->upgrade boots to Zephyr. No ADC+enchanter stand a chance (even with Bloodthirster shield supports dont react fast enough to heal the adc. Gold elo things
sounds pretty good!
That's similar to what I build
Profane > Collector > Infinity > Dominik's is a pretty classic Crit build atm
I shall discuss all Builds in an upcoming Tier List
AD Shaco is in an extremely bad spot. I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought this.
so my build for ad shaco is profane hydra into kraken. u have the dmg and also farm faster. bloodthirster, volt are usually my next items. last item u can buy what u need against enemy team. try it out, works pretty good.
Kraken is pretty good and got relatively buffed, I will make sure to give it a shot and comment on it in a future video!
I will try this
i was like im doing everything right and still im feeling bhind im glad im not the only one feeling this lol
ive posted a few amateur league vids and ever since ive been recommended other amateur league posters
ty for the vid, ive always had trouble vs shaco and never knew a good shaco besides pinkward but he is a laner. now i can finally start to understand and counter him
Awesome to see you enjoy post league videos, the more creators, the better! I'm happy to hear you find my content helpful!
I just had a game exactly like this where I really couldn't kill anyone on the enemy team unless they were isolated. I started split pushing, my team got triple inhib, even baron, and we still couldn't end even though they had open nexus. Their wave clear was too good. We baited them to coming to an elder dragon fight, but I was hiding in the enemy jungle the whole time. When they came to elder, I just Q R to their nexus and end lol.
good Job man!
Classic El Trucko backdoor!
This was a lucky game also i gotta say. Normally when you get this behind with shaco on high elo games, enemy forces and takes out every single jungle camp that spawns on your side. Due to that you can't even go to split push because they are in your jungle. Due to this, i always try going tiamat first to make the jungle clear better so i can match up with enemy jungler and farm my camps properly. I think Shaco is highly dependent on farming. Even if you get a lot of kills, once you die, it can flip the game. That's why it's always been so risky to play ad shaco compared to ap. Just enemy turning their back around and you missing your crit at the first invisible hit, can let enemy come back at around 30 mins or later. Specially in high elo, we have to master the champ and the game knowledge just like you showed. People tend to forget the fact that taking Nexus wins the game, not killing the enemy. You can still win by being behind 10k gold if you play your cards correctly. This is a perfect example why in high elo, players don't give up that easily. You can see the "not-focused" players such as Ezreal in this case. He always died because he was alone somewhere in the map and didn't respect Shaco's capability of hunting him down.
On top of this i can suggest one more thing, put wards in enemy jungle as much as you can. Even in high elo, you can see support players that has 30 vision scores in 30 mins. They might not ward. BUT if you are playing Shaco and you know exactly who is where, that changes things. Because hunting people down in their jungle when they don't even expect you, that changes the game a lot. If someone on your team is going base, you dont have to cover them in most cases. Specially if they're not low hp. With this trick, i changed the game result so many times in past few seasons. Always watch your enemy and think where they might be going.
Always, thanks for the great tips, i enjoy watching them. Quite insightful and i think a lot of people will get a new perspective from this one
But the whole point of AD Shaco is to play aggressive and gank early game, go damage and one shot
The way you win is by giving your team that early game advantage
I may have been behind compared to Fiddle but my team was able to keep up because through ganks we won lanes, especially Bot
And we also secured early dragons, resulting in getting the soul and Elder later on
Had I afk farmed Fiddle would have taken all of that and we would likely have lost
In regards to warding the enemy jungle, since I go detector, I always get control wards and place one or two boxes in their jungle for vision but before an objective to zone and the go for picks
@@TheClone You are right, when you get a huge lead with AD, you can basicly stomp enemy completely. I like the way you just stopped their winning routes like Trick2g does :D
I just wanted to mention the fact that in high elo games, there are games like this. Even if you miss your back stab once, game can change turn around. It's completely our own confidence and decision making as Shaco players. One of the main reasons why i like to watch Shaco otps
Will be looking forward for upcoming videos, cheers!
Ey, cut down is super OP for Shaco in pick-offs, as your Q, backstab is your main source of damage.
I'm testing it right now and mention it in the next video if it's better than Coup de Greace
Concerning earlygame, what to do when neither your gank works nor u can force your support to help on drake, what would be the best thing to do in most cases ?
Farm or pressure/ counter jungle and starve the enemy jungler
Amazing video, thank you, just one question, why serylda instead of dominik or mortal? Shaco has slow on E so what’s a point ?
Thanks, I went for Serylda's because I was full lethality and thus wanted even more for the synergy.
I only swapped to Infinity at the end when I had a full Build.
Crit can do more damage, but with lethality I got a faster power spike and had better one shot potential with Profane as seen at the end where I one shotted Quinn and Nami
Otherwise, if I had went more Crit, like with Collector and Infinity, I would have also gotten Lord Dominik's of course :)
I Rush IE then buy like 2-3 more crit cloaks right after i have like 55% crit at 1.5 items it seems pretty strong to me
love you mr clone ❤ keep up the great content
sigma shaco
The outtro is missing :( but a very nice video :D
Do you always skip tiamat since you don't farm?
From my experience with the play style that I use, Tiamat is pretty useless in fights, I rush Brutalizer if I'm going Profane or Dirk, this way the power spike is quite insane and you can 1v1 and even soft one shot early game with Ignite
hey great video homie
Tank shaco build, when?
The Zeke's change could be interesting now that it gives both mana and health I used to run it back when you could link it to an Ally and moving your clone would activate it if you're tank you're not too concerned with juking folk out with your clone but obv still can
Coming with the Builds Tier list video
obviously you made it to master/GM... but AD feels like scam for most of the ppl. Feels weak, is unconsistent. Fiddle is level 8 while you are level 5... if you don't get any kills because you have bad micro / macro you lost level 5 unless you are Master+ ("High Elo"). Play AP and go with the flow. We don't have to force anything when it isn't a AD Meta. Peace clones
With AD Shaco you are indeed very dependent on having a good early game to keep up with the enemy jungler but I don't force it, I play AD over AP because I enjoy it a lot more, screw the meta 😎
Thats why u always invade gank and snowball as AD shaco, in my case i always be 2-3 levels above everyone else, whole game of oneshots, until my team sells the game.
@@coatrahd3594 exactly, always outplaying and being 5 dimensions ahead of the enemy team aka 1 Billion IQ Moment
Keep practicing, AD Shaco is a high skillcap beast.
nice video
the goat posts
Rly helpful
Always my pleasure mate!
Who do you usually choose if shaco is banned?🤡
I used to play Rengar & Kha'zix
But nowadays I prefer Biar and sometimes Gwen
I wanna see you play ap shaco once please
It will be a while, but AP will come
Someone has the link to his opgg?
www.op.gg/summoners/eune/Just%20a%20Clone-Shaco
www.op.gg/summoners/eune/Lost%20Clone-EUNE
Here you go mate!
mastermind!
down 2 lvls to fiddle at 6 min real challenger jungling
Like you would know
] yyyees only good shaco opt I will commit slippery slide if you don't upload. Godteir content creater
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Video was on my recommended bro and gave it a watch...I don't really like the title because the jungling in the video is clearly not how a 'Challenger jungler' plays, and you even admitted in the video that you were trying to get to GM, so I guess you're not Challenger and therefore just clickbaited. The title also says 'How', so unless you point out real concrete applicable things for someone to go and do themselves, it's not a 'How' video...which I don't think this is.
This is all just my opinion, but I don't see the point in doing Blue-Gromp-Red when you can just do Wolves instead, Red Buff is only good if you're starting Blue-Gromp because you see bot fighting already and Red Buff is obviously > than Wolves in a fight, but they are not fighting, full HP and nothing happening.
When you kill Ezreal you should shove out that bot wave because Samira is nowhere near that wave to do it herself.
After you kill Ezreal the invade is what defines this elo - you're just invading because you know the enemy jungler is there, but you should be invading because you know 100% you win a fight vs enemy jungle and surrounding lanes. Karma is out of base with homeguards, Ezreal soon too so if you run in there which is 15 seconds away and it will be 3:15ish (Fiddle will be finishing clear and Level 4), you're asking to die. Thresh is also on a base because HP/mana so it's just a massive flip that works because Karma feels sorry for the invade.
After you do the bot Crab you should insta recall and just go Gromp (4:15), Wolves, and path towards the bot lane that burned Flashes, and you can even pressure Fiddle's bot jungle. Instead, you run through mid showing yourself, and get 70 gold in 40 seconds while being 'on the map'. 40 seconds = two camps usually, and they are way more gold than one Crab. So in the time you do both Crabs, I'm about to hit Gromp and path down with gold spent...big tempo miss which is the big diff between this elo and higher.
You say at some point that Grubs are pointless...well it depends no? If you have a split-pushing top laner like a Yorick/Tryndamere etc then Grubs are good. But that isn't jungling. If the game/map tells you to do Grubs, then you can do them...if the game tells you no, then you can't (just like invading).
Because of all this, you're Level 4 against a Level 6?! Fiddle at that early stage of a game. You could easily be the same level and in the same kills and potentially more making those moves I detailed above. So yeh, I think it's really pushing it titling the video 'How to CARRY with Shaco Like a CHALLENGER JUNGLER'.
TL;DR don't be shit Kappa
bad video