Could you PLEASE put in book marks next time? Love the video, but because it's so long, it's hard to know where I left off. Always. Thanks for making the video. Its great.
With an 8-hour video means your gonna get a lot of people complaining about it the videos run time and then leave a hate comment like “making an 8 hour long essay automatically makes Anomaly Inc a stupid face and I have no actual argument to do so”
The Extended Version is a gem. Jake's life on Earth is actually SHOWN instead of just being talked about and the scene where Grace tells Jake about Sylwanin's death allows Sigourney Weaver to really show off her acting chops after mostly being snarky throughout the rest of the movie. Sylwanin wasn't even mentioned in the Theatrical Version, so thank goodness Cameron managed to get the Extended Cut released in cinemas. It's definitely the superior movie.
I'd argue she was mentioned, just not by name. "Yeah that tends to happen when you use machine guns on them" is directly referencing Sìlwanìn's death, how the RDA shot up the school of na'vi children Grace was teaching.
For a movie that is so clearly communicated, it's incredible how misunderstood it has become. It's frankly mind-boggling how superficial and confidently wrong many are in their assessment of these movies.
@@tomnorton4277 true, even if they aren't my favorites, they are misunderstood and overly hated. Additionally the hate George Lucas gets genuinely makes me sad. He's a living god of cinema but is treated like a leper
@@chrisbarnett5303 People were jealous of George Lucas, just like they're jealous of James Cameron. Both of them are gods of cinema and people resent them for being so good at their jobs.
You pointed out exactly what is wrong with many “critics” of media. Many act like they know and understand the filmmaking process but clearly don’t. All films go through re shoots, which is the go to for these “critics” to have their “gotcha” moments. I mean look at how they used it for almost every DCEU film. It also shows how competent Lucas and Cameron are as directors that they try to see their films through the eyes of the audience and try to understand what would resonate with them. Many directors have a vision in mind for any film, but many of those ideas have to be scrapped or left out and many directors feel bad that those scenes and ideas are left out. But know that it will hurt their film if left in. Unlike other directors like Tug On My Titty’s (think about it) who keep a bunch of stupid humor regardless if it makes sense or not.
I’m so glad Nomz addressed the misconception that movies are getting longer. He’s right. Movies are getting shorter if anything. The 3 hour epic is now a rarity when it used to be quite commonplace and especially amongst some of the most awarded movies of all time.
I didn't see Avatar in Theaters. But I remember how big it was and how everyone was talking about it. Over the years, I heard it was bad, had terrible characters and was all about an in your face environmentalism message. Eventually the girl that is now my wife, wanted to show it to me. I figured I might as well. I loved the movie and couldn't understand why everyone was saying it was terrible. There was a huge disconnect between what I'd heard about the film, and what I saw and experienced when I watched it.
It's awesome that James Cameron descended from on high and went out of his way to try and help the "unwashed masses". He remembers what it's like to be down on your luck because he was a truck driver before entering the film industry. A man that high up in the film industry is set for life, so he had absolutely nothing to gain by trying to help people who are struggling, yet he did it anyway. You won't see many people in Hollywood who go out of their way to do what he does. Plenty will virtue signal about it but when push comes to shove, almost all of them stay in their ivory towers instead of personally getting their hands dirty. The louder a person virtue signals, the less likely they are to be sincere.
He's blue collar through and through, and he worked for everything he got. He's still a nerd and big kid at heart. I find him pretty inspirational figure honestly.
I remember liking the first avatar and hadn’t rewatched it until last year when I picked up the extended cut. It was pretty good but I wasn’t in love with it so when I went to go see the way of water with a friend I expected it to be decent but wasn’t particularly hyped. I ended up loving it and walked out with the biggest grin on my face, it’s everything a sequel should be. This proves Cameron is the king of sequels, man just makes bangers.
@@justanormaldilo.249 A1 made 2.7 billion(no I'm not counting the re-release SCREW THAT BS!) and A2 made 2.3 and that is what I meant by the money for he made less and there for overall JC is no longer the king of sequels and the more you look at A2 you will see cracks in the story. I'm not doing this to be a dick. But JC has established himself as the top director for a reason and with that comes expatiations and that is just how it is and JC has won in all other categories except him being the sequel king. But that is just one thing and I'm not taking anything away from JC past bangers neither. I'm just pointing out.
@@JustTooDamnHonest There were multiple factors that kept A2 from getting close to A1 in terms of Box office, one of them being that there was a war going on, with the movie being 100% censored in Russia and the fact that times have changed. Streaming platforms have taken away a lot of audience from cinema, it's a fact. A lot of people just rather wait for the movie to come out on their favorite streaming platform instead of going to the cinema and watch it, so yeah, A2 didn't make as much money as A1 did but I believe you are missing out on key factors here. When it comes to the rest of your comment, I gotta say that I am confused. Cameron had big expectations for the sequel and he delivered. The sequel did things better than the first movie, like the characters and pacing for example. In a lot of ways A2 feels more polished than the first movie, so even tho the story isn't flawless, it is definitely a step in the right direction and in many ways an improvement over the first one, so as far as I can tell, he delivered on the expectations much like he did with T2 back in the day. He is still the king of sequels.
Thanks so much for this. I can't thank you enough for all the hard work and research you poured into this. Avatar is one of the best franchises ever so it's so refreshing to see it finally get the defense and praise it deserves.
I’m two and a half hours in and I want to bring up two points that you brought up. The troupes in films, they’re in every film as you pointed out. I’ve seen so many channels calling out a film or tv show for its tropes but then praise something else that is blatant in its use of tropes. A trope in any piece of media is just what the basic story is about for example the boy meets girl trope, man vs nature, man vs man, man vs himself and man vs supernatural. These are the core basics for any and all films. John Wick is also full of tropes but it’s awesome regardless of that. It’s not the trope that’s the issue, it’s how the story is told. Star Wars and all superhero films are all good Vs evil, man vs man and man vs himself tropes. Some better than others but once again it’s how the story is told. Then it’s the “it’s pushing an agenda” or “it’s woke” argument being passed around and extremely overused statements. I’m not going to deny that it’s being pushed so heavily into media now, with characters being defined ONLY by their race, gender, sexuality and identity and they being the only focal point for so many characters. But there was always some social politics in many pieces of media, but it was how they told them. If we look at the work of Chris Claremont, George Perez, Stan Lee and many other amazing writers in American comics from the 70’s -90’s. Many of the comics at the time introduced and discussed many social issues of the time. George Perez’s Wonder Woman run was full of feminist undertones and the X-men are an algorithm for the civil rights movement. But they worked these issues in away that didn’t distract from the overall story, but also giving the characters more depth and personality than just their own agendas. A really great example of what I mean is, there’s a scene in two different shows. One is “A Discovery of Witches” and the other is “Yellowjackets”. In the world of “Discovery of Witches” there’s three major factions, demons, witches and vampires. Each group has a leader or main being who governs their own respective groups. The demons is lead by a woman who is black, on the day of a big meeting she’s says “there’s to much white male representation in this counsel”. Now for “Yellowjackets” the character Taissa who is also black is running for a political office but needs a wealthy backer for her campaign. Now her character suffered a traumatic event when she was in school along with her other classmates and the potential backer was a white woman. Who wanted to exploit what happened to her and her classmates, if she wants her money. Taissa basically tells her to F off and never once did either bring of each others race. Yet that scene is more powerful because it’s not what was told but what wasn’t told. There’s ways to include social political strife in creative ways. What’s so funny is how so many of these UA-cam channels tout the whole “he’s preaching and pushing an agenda” Yet use his films to advocate for how movie qualities have gone down and how strong male leads used to be. Yet Cameron is a leftist preachy hollywoood agenda pusher. A simple story doesn’t make something bad or infantile.
Calling a movie emotionally manipulative is the laziest form of film critique. The entire point of cinema and storytelling in general is “emotional manipulation”. What’s hilarious is that the guy at 3:38:30 is explaining exactly why the Na’vi conceptually work and why Cameron made them the way that he did, while missing why this is good craftsmanship.
Took me nearly four days to watch this, but it's extremely well done. Truly a passion project. While Avatar isn't my favorite Cameron film, it's definitely something I've come to respect as time has gone on. I would love to hear your views on Last Samurai as well. Appreciate all the months it took to make this and that you gave such a spotlight to James Horner as he's made some of my favorite film scores, and my personal favorite film score 'Mask of Zorro'. Film scores are underappreciated and it's nice to see such depth in what is already a long analysis. I always prefer extended versions of films and I do have that for Avatar as well, along with Lord of the Rings and Kindom of Heaven, all three of which are the definitive version in my opinion. So crazy to think all of the things that seem to be essential especially in another film like Dawn of Justice. Not everyone's cup of tea I know, but no one denies that or Snyder's other massive cut in Justice League are the definitive versions. But as always, appreciate the willingness to point out flaws even in a gushing review. It's a rare quality. Certainly take your time to rest after this massive project.
Miles Quaritch's motives for wanting a scrap with the Na'vi might be related to his scar. Remember his line when he first meets Jake; "Three tours of Nigeria. Not a scratch. I come out here..." he points to his scar "Day one." Granted, we don't know if one of the Na'vi gave him that scar. Judging by its shape, it's actually more likely to have been one of the Pandoran predators. However, it's one of a couple of hints that Quaritch has a personal beef not just with the Na'vi but with Pandora as a whole. The other hint comes in his introductory speech. "If there is a Hell, you might want to go there for some R&R after a tour on Pandora." Later on in that same speech, Quaritch pretty clearly spells out his motivations. However, because James Cameron actually knows how to write dialogue, despite what pseudo-intellectuals say, it doesn't feel like exposition. "As Head of Security, it is my job to keep you alive. I will not succeed. Not with all of you." Miles Quaritch is a realist. He knows how dangerous Pandora is due to personal experience. He knows that many of his soldiers WILL die whilst touring the planet and he doesn't sugarcoat it for them because he wants them to be prepared. He wants to keep as many of them alive as possible, even if it means performing pre-emptive strikes on "the hostiles". You get other hints that Quaritch cares when he calls soldiers like Corporal Lyle Wainfleet by their first names instead of their military titles. Unlike Jake, Quaritch has nothing to gain by cosying up to Wainfleet because the Corporal has no connection to the Na'vi outside of shooting at them. It's clear that Quaritch just sees Wainfleet as a brother in arms rather than an asset to be used to undermine their enemies and it actually adds a bit more depth to his relationship with Jake. Quaritch sees ALL of his soldiers as brothers and sisters in arms, so when one of them turns on him, it actually stings. Even with all that information people still called Quaritch cartoonishly evil in the first movie. However, only the stupid or wilfully blind can deny that some real depth is present in Quaritch throughout Way of Water. And it's consistent with his portrayal in the first Avatar, despite Quaritch himself insisting "I'm not that man." He not only commented that "Good men. Good women" had died because of Jake's betrayal (confirming what was already implied in the first Avatar about Quaritch genuinely caring about his soldiers) but he also let Kiri go when Neytiri threatened Spider. In fact, Quaritch actually seemed less like a savage than Neytiri did in that scene. He may have been Spider's father but they'd only known each other for a couple of months at most. Neytiri watched Spider grow up, playing with her children who thought of him as their brother, learning the Na'vi culture, and despite all that she was still absolutely going to murder the kid to get back at Quaritch. Yes, Netayan had just been killed and Neytiri was mad with grief but Spider was, for all intents and purposes, family. In fact, she was literally the ONLY member of the Sully family who refused to accept him which hints that she still retains some level of racism against Humans. It also hints that Quaritch might actually have good reason to think of the Na'vi as savages. If he's already seen that intolerant and violent side of other Na'vi, Neytiri just provided him with even further confirmation that they're little more than wild animals. At the end of the day, Miles Quaritch is nowhere near as one-dimensional as people like to say he is. You get hints at a deeper character in Avatar, then outright confirmation that there's more going on with him under the surface in Way of Water. A great moment in that movie is when Quaritch picks up the skull of his Human body. So much is said without words. He just stares silently at the skull, then crushes it with a pained look on his face, aware that this corpse was HIS body and he's destroying a fundamental part of his old life but wanting to move on. It must be a surreal and existential experience to come face to face with your own corpse and the complex emotions Quaritch was going through were conveyed without a single line of dialogue. Honestly, if James Cameron hadn't resurrected Quaritch, I'm convinced that Way of Water wouldn't be as good as it was. Bringing him back was risky but it absolutely paid off. Jake Sully and Neytiri can carry a movie but they need a worthy opponent and Miles Quaritch provided that in spades. And one more thing. Stephan Lang is the perfect actor to play Miles Quaritch. He doesn't do many big budget movies and the few that he has done rarely allow him to play significant roles but James Cameron struck gold by casting him in Avatar and giving him a meaty role to chew on. Lang has real leading man presence which makes him such a commanding villain. This role is going to be a significant part of his legacy when he shuffles off this mortal coil and I hope he knows and is proud of that.
Regarding Neytiri threatening to kill Spider, I never interpreted that she saw him as family. It also seemed like she was gonna kill him when Quaritch held him and the other kids hostage, it looked like from the POV shot that the arrow in her bow was pointed towards Spider and not Quaritch, and I watched this movie in the theater.
That little detail of Grace assuming that Selfridge and Quaritch wanted the Avatar program to fail is brilliant when you take their horrified reaction to the death of their squad into account. Quaritch was ready for a fight but he was motivated by his belief that a war was inevitable rather than a desire to see dead bodies everywhere. As for Selfridge, he didn't want to get into a fight at all. The fact that Grace misinterpreted both of their motivations shows the miscommunication between the Marines and the Avatar program. If we apply this to the real world, it also emphasises the miscommunication between powerful companies and the individuals working in them. They aren't willing to LISTEN to each other. Grace is as guilty of this as Selfridge and Quaritch are which is something that I never noticed in the Extended Cut. So much more depth with such a seemingly small detail.
1:44:40 plus, the invader swirching sides aginst his own is far more compelling than the natives simply getting invaded by baddies, and just... fighting the baddies. There is struggle and tension between opposing forces within himself. Plus, it's even more compelling here because the invader PHYSIOLOGICALLY becomes a member of the natives when he switches sides.
You know what I am finding out more and more. The internet mind or intellect has become the voice for all things right nowadays. If you do not check certain checkboxes in their definitions than you are perceived lesser in intellect or understanding. The biggest thing I have learnt in my animation career is KISS, which stands for *keep it simple stupid.* James understands simplicity. James Cameron is out here making master classes and billions, living out his happiness while many internet voices are depressed, not fully self actualized in their being and making much less successful steps then he is. Yet, if you give them a keyboard they act as if they are the world on what makes a good film. Where are the films from these crowds? News flash, the cool term 'movies' was coined to simply mean moving pictures. People back then used to just go to watch movies to escape the realities of this world. They wanted to be entertained and have a good time. Sure the art of film making has evolved over the years but the core reason majority of the world watches movies today remains the same. Simply to escape or be tricked into escaping at least. James Cameron successful does this every time. I enjoyed the first Avatar as a child and it was the first film I have ever bought, steel book and everything. Everyone I know loves it. We all live on an island in the Caribbean and find that the film catered to the feeling of heart, culture and religion really well. It is when I went online that I see the hate, and most of the hate is coming from the western people online. I think the internet is suffering from a curse of the over burdens of knowledge. The more you know, the more things become less spectacular and wonderful; and people seems to not be able to separate that notion when they sit down and enjoy a film these days. This is the plague that is affecting a subset of movie goers and if you stray away from these minds, you'd enjoy almost any film you set out to watch. I have not watched Avatar WOW yet but know this, when I am about to, I have no reason to believe that I will be having a bad time. Have a great day!
Hahaha yes ! Saw the 8 hour time tag ! Pulled up my comfy chair and settled in ! Love you brother for your work with avatar and also the Star Wars prequels God bless you ❤❤❤❤❤❤
@Monarch Music it's eight hours long, please explain the majority of his Watchers are actually going to sit through the whole thing and listen to every last bit. It took him multiple episodes before he even had one that was pretty long like 3 hours I'm pretty sure... note after Watchers were already invested in the series. Anomaly is really good at making videos so why couldn't we split this up, making it more, let's say tolerable. Now let's talk about elaborate, when you first start watching the Revenge series, while anomaly is no dummy his knowledge is limited. As you watch further into this series his knowledge grows and becomes very elaborate as you want to say Looking at a from the outside picture it's the same thing, he loves both creators and he has invested time and both of them therefore it's not far off! But this video is 8 hours! The first thing I thought was are you serious. If I'm going to spend that many hours watching one thing I'll watch Lord of the Rings extended or I will watch a bunch of Star Wars that are worth watching or even Harry Potter I love anomaly but let's get this real
@@officialmonarchmusic I never said that it wasn't elaborate but I will argue when people say that is more elaborate when it is technically the same thing just too different creators and he's not tearing Tardes apart in this one, and when he did tear them apart it was hilarious.
Tropes have never been considered bad in storytelling. They are tools to be used by storytellers in crafting their story. Cliches are bad tropes are not. Even in writing class they taught this. All these reviewers saying otherwise don’t know what a trope is
Cliches aren't necessarily bad. It depends on how you use them. Those writing classes that claim you can't use cliches at all are only limiting their writers because there are some stories where cliches are totally appropriate. It's simply a case of knowing the rules well enough to know when and where you can break them.
As someone who admires James Cameron and his movie-making skills (even though I believe he peaked with Terminator 2) I will definitely give this a watch when I have time to spare.
I saw the 10 minute preview scene in IMAX 3-D before it came out and I knew it was going to be a giant success! The 3-D was 8K crystal clear, we couldn't believe what we were seeing🤯 James Cameron is always on the cutting edge of movie technology. I'm sure avatar 3 will have something new that will blow everybody's mind again!
Before opening the video I thought it was you talking about some 8 hour content avatar but when I opened it and saw that it was YOUR content with 8 hours it was so fucking surprising but also good because fucking hell I love long videos Now i am ready to watch 8 entire ours of this and it's going to be so fucking good i can FEEL it man I am going to watch this even at gym my man, it's going to be me and this amazing masterpiece together
A bit late on this, but THANK YOU! I love this film, and the way of water, there’s so many great elements to them. From the beautiful visuals, to their stories about family, along with connection everyone has with nature, they’re just great films! I am also really impressed with this video, I mean, 8 hours? That’s a lot of dedication to these movies, and I admire the dedication! I seriously wish people would stop dismissing them and acting like no one cares about this franchise! These are well crafted, enjoyable films, and many people adore them! ❤
@@justanotherguy2609 they can't justify their stance so they gotta make stuff up They said the new one would flop because no-one cared about Avatar Ended up making over 2 billion Shows what they knew Im glad you enjoyed the video
@@anomalyinc3239 Exactly! They believe their echo chamber is significantly larger than it really is. A couple thousand angry people on Twitter and UA-cam mean nothing to the millions who saw the film, so, like you said, they just try to justify everything with lies. Which has been proven wrong with just how big this franchise actually is. If no once cares about avatar, why did both films make over two billion? Why do we have games and theme park rides? They just want to ignore everything and deny the truth. No problem, This video was amazing, I really appreciate the work you did on this topic!
WOW! This video is a gem 💎 Been following this channel for a while, and this is definitely a video that is a must watch for anyone that has an interest in movies or just a casual movie watcher. Thank you for this one, your hard work on these videos is appreciated! 💯👏👍😀
James Cameron started out as a truck driver and was inspired to enter the film industry by Star Wars. He even became friends with George Lucas later in life. However, when he started his career, Cameron had NONE of the Hollywood connections that so many people in the film industry are given from birth. He's the complete opposite of a hack because he had no choice but to succeed through a combination of talent and determination.
It's crazy to me that these big movie reviewers and talking heads here on UA-cam will be like "studio medeling has ruined this story and what the creator wanted" and then when a creator is able to put the love they want into it suddenly its "someone needs to control these egos." This is even more crazy when you think about the fact that these movies are some of the most successful ones ever and somehow people think they know better.
It's the Dunning Kruger effect. Idiots almost always think they know more than people with actual intelligence and/or knowledge of a subject or craft. You'll rarely find an idiot who has enough self-awareness to know that they're stupid. I'm sure they exist but they're in the minority among all the stupid people in the world.
Regarding the love story of The Last Samurai, it's not so much that Algren is Tom Cruise. It's the fact that while he did kill her husband in defense of his own life, he regretted it to the point where he befriended her and her family, giving her mixed feelings and then finally got up the courage to apologize, earning her forgiveness and eventually her love. It takes a big man to say he's sorry and mean it.
Another thing, the Colonial Marines that inspired Halo and Avatar, they were based on the Starship Troopers, the original novel obviously since the movie wasn't made yet.
oh im fully aware that the Algren/Taka love story makes sense, i just painted it in a very unflattering light to make a point, as for my comment about the colonial marines, Cameron very well may have been inspired by starship troopers for that concept but i was also referring to the design of their armor which Halos artstyle all but completely replicated, im not sure how Cameron could've thefted the design from a novel
4:38:50 Agreed, there's NOTHING wrong with composers quoting their past works in new films. Example: Mark Mancina, the composer for, imho, the best "Die Hard clone" Speed (1994) reused the piece from the beginning where Jack and Harry were racing up the stairwell to the 32nd floor in the opening of the first Bad Boys film where the bad guys are attempting to break into the police station. Also agree that there's nothing wrong with having multiple different versions of one theme in a movie or game. In the video game Resident Evil Code: Veronica, there's a song called "Berceuse", or Alexia's Lullaby, and there are at least a dozen different variations of it in that game, a piano version, a music box version, a song version, etc. Having multiple different versions of one theme helps add different vibes and emotions.
Don't forget that the final act of TG Maverick seems derivative of ANH--- but thats because ANH's trench run/ death star battle was heavily derivative of other WW2 movies from the past. In particular The Dambusters from the 1950s, which it even lifts exact dialogue and camera shots etc from. It just goes to show that this kind of thing is massive in movies. There are supposedly only 7 basic stories that you can tell - and the hundreds of thousands of movies ever made just tell those same 7 stories in new and interesting ways...
When I was watching top Gun Maverick in theaters, when they mentioned the target was only 2 meters wide, I almost said allowed "That's impossible! Even for a computer." But I thought better of it.
The *_Avatar_* series is currently this generation's prequel *_Star Wars_* trilogy: underrated movies that are getting way too much unnecessary hate from the media and now Twitter losers.
The reason why Avatar works is because yes it’s simple BUT it takes its self SERIOUS. So it allows the audience to take it serious. We are talking about a film with 9ft tall blue aliens, mec suits, and flying dragons and the global audience don’t even notice all that because everything is taken serious and represents something we can relate to. Avatar does what other sci fi films wish they could do, draw in the global general audience who’s not even into movies like that especially heavy sci fi type of films with aliens and shit. James Cameron is the man.
Well, to be fair. It helps that the film isn't overly convoluted or complex. It's a definite crowd pleaser, but one that has a lot of heart to it and a lot of very impressive world building.
@@Charleroi92 the entire eco system of pandora is havelly borrowed from our eco system on earth the story is bland and generic. Pandora as a word is pretty bland compared to star wars the lord the rings or westeros in song of ice and fire.
Thank you for doing this. With Local, Filmspeak, Angry Hippie and others, there's a lot of videos defending Avatar and pushing back on the idiotic narratives. After watching tens of hours of Cameron interviews, basically everything I could find on youtube my main are conclusions are" 1. Cameron is the fucking man. 2. He isn't arrogant, at least not anymore. He is confident and that triggers the haters that think he needs to walk around with a hang dog expression, saying "aw shucks" while putting himself down. Cameron is always praising and uplifting other creators and very rarely puts other movies down. He's not thin-skinned at all- look at that sex pest Charlie Rose try to shit on Cameron and Avatar, and Cameron just laughs it off and says "bring it on!' 3. Cameron is a better motivational/inspirational speaker than the likes of Tony Robbins or whoever's on Oprah and Tedtalks these days. And he's a great fucking teacher. He can explain complex subjects in easily digestible ways and is never condescending or snobby. He's a blue collar dude through and through. 4. He's never lost that child=like sense of wonder. Despite his image as a hard-edged dictator who makes macho action flicks, he has a real sweet, nerdy and hippy child side. He has that openness and balls to walls side of Jake, or Jack from Titanic, that love of tech and science like all the scientist in Avatar, but he has that part of him that's a little kid walking around the woods of Ontario or getting excited reading books about ocean exploration, kind of like Kiri. 5. He has a deep. deep understanding of people's deepest longings. His movies have been the global megasuccesses they were because he just gets something deep about human psychology
I finally finished this video, and I must say this was a well put together debunking. You addressed a lot of downright stupid criticisms with an actual reason to why they are stupid. The only point I would disagree with is that I would say TWOTW is on par with avatar not better or worse.
Im at 6th hour mark, day-2, and I cant thank you enough for churning out this epic lengthy but worthy video response! Ive watched these critisms videos before to be able to hear and see their perspectives from an unbiased pov, however I couldnt shake the feeling that most of them were grasping at thin air, drawing consclusions first then cherry picking details that could strengthen their arguments and dismissing the many good parts of the movies that so many people have resonated with and loved so much. Thank you! Irayo! ❤
So Creetosis makes an 8 hour video on Fallout 3 being bad against someone else's critique video and it's praised, but when Anomaly Inc makes an 8 hour video deconstructing the horrible strawman's against James Cameron's Avatar and it's somehow labeled as coping, simping, and ludicrous for being informative, entertaining and straightforward? I'm telling you no one appreciates differing opinions backed up with facts, keep up your vids Anomaly Inc and never back out on your critiques 🎉👍🎆
James Cameron has the rare ability to tickle his audience's 6th sense. His passion for his movies is genuine and is motivated by artistic integrity beyond all else. It's the 6th sense that communicates this to people because you can't really recognise it with your 5 main senses, unless you've done a lot of research on Cameron, but you just KNOW that he's being sincere. That's why his movies resonate with so many people. It's the same with George Lucas and the late Stanley Kubrick. There's so much of their individual personalities in their movies that you can't replicate them which means their films are as genuine as you're ever going to see in a medium that is based mostly - not entirely but mostly - around telling fictional stories.
Fun fact: Die Hard was inspired by the Towering Inferno from 1974 (the creator had a nightmare where terrorists were chasing him through a skyscraper with guns😅
If you don’t like James Cameron’s vision for his Avatar movies and that’s fine, but the Avatar movies are James Cameron’s movies and they wouldn’t be what they are without James Cameron vision. You can hate the Avatar movies all you want, but they are James Cameron’s vision, with a lot of fans who do love the movies and James Cameron’s vision. And whether you like his movies or not James Cameron is the closest thing we’re currently ever gonna get to having another modern day George Lucas, and that we should saver as many of these independent artists and creative visionaries, with their creative visions like James Cameron and George Lucas, as much as possible when it comes to modern Hollywood. And if these Avatar haters really believe James Cameron’s Avatar movies will be better off at the hands of Hollywood without James Cameron and that they can’t be any worse without James Cameron, then the haters should always remember what happened when George Lucas sold Star Wars and how well all that turned out. Because you’ll never know what good thing you had or what other people had already loved until it’s already gone I think it’s important we have more of these type of videos just to remind people of what they did to George Lucas and are currently doing to James Cameron and hopefully this time we can be able to prevent another Disney Lucasfilm purchase from happening if we continue to spread the word and call out all this bull crap Because those who never learn from history will always be doomed to repeat it
I think the problem is people watch something that isn't for them, and are so self centered that they think that the reason they don't like it is because it's bad, not because they just don't like it.
Began when I cycled to work, and ended right when I walked into the door of my home. Great work, bro. Hopefully when I finish setting up my new channel, I’ll express my own relationship with this movie and give you and Local big credit (Reason for the new channel being that I can’t monetize on this one because of those Deleted Scenes I graciously contributed to the world and for UA-camrs like you to use).
the Avatar movies are my favorite movies. Watching them has felt like a spiritual experience like how few films have. I really think Cameron is a polymath renaissance man genius and a living legend of a director, in elite company with Spielberg, Scorcese and Lucas (another living legend that sadly gets too much hate from the internet).
I think Cameron's surpassed Spielberg. Maybe not Scorcese and Lucas but Spielberg hasn't been in his filmmaking prime for a while now. Kubrick is the GOAT though. Too bad he's dead.
This will be the lengthiest video that i had ever watched, and even if am neutral about the movie, being shown the nuances involved in topic is enjoyable. Edit: took me two weeks to watch. No regret.
I can’t imagine how much time and effort went into this, well done. I’m also willing to bet it’s only a matter of time before the cruel mistress that is UA-cam will demonetize this masterpiece.
He is a pioneer in 3D cinematography... which means that he is paving the way for a new era of great filmmakers. Cameron doesn't need a 3D camera to immerse audiences in his vision. Cameron has been immersing audiences the same way since 1984 with The Terminator
I will say the internet has these directors as a photo still. They don’t want change, they can’t stop the change just like they can’t stop the setting suns… it’s honestly sad they don’t grow up.
All the hate of Avatar mainly comes down to one thing, Jealously. The haters are so mad Avatar made so much more money, and was so much more popular than whatever their favorite movie is. So they come up with all kinds of criticisms that could be applied to any other number of great movies, that no one hates on because they didn't make 2 to 3 Billion dollars.
Made it through the whole 8 hours over the course of a few days, thank you for this video. I've always felt that Avatar was getting undeserved hate and most of these "critics" online is what kept me from watching Avatar 2 initially and some of my friends too. Luckily, I still decided to watch it and absolutely loved it. And one of my friends actually wants to watch it with me too now as he was also discouraged from watching it because of all the backlash. (Also if I made any grammatical mistakes please do point them out, I am still learning english)
Hi Anomaly, haven't been served much from you by UA-cam despite being subscribed for a long time Just want to say your audio balance and editing have improved measurably since I last caught you. Really good job, keep it up man Bye now I have an 8hr vid to watch
@@anomalyinc3239 I cant imagine its very easy to do, especially on such a long project I watched a critical drinker video a while ago I cant remember which one it was but the editing was distracting, he had several cuts per second for almost the whole video he usually never makes mistakes like that, just a terrible headache. I've watched a couple of hours by now and you have pretty excellently selected clips and imagery that reinforces your script, the only thing I would have changed personally is cutting a bit of the James Cameron clip that was used twice to make it shorter, especially since both clips were used 'relatively' close together on the timeline. Possibly even edit it to be more comedic i.e. zoom into his face when he makes the point again. Just something to break up the visual at least Anyway very very minor along the same lines of maulers TLJ video where he kept saying "decimated" and yeah your audio balance is much better - no crackling, good balance between your recording and the clips you play most of the time Good work, there you have my compliment sandwich so far :)
I’ve been waiting a long time for this. Finally some validation for us Avatar and James Cameron fans. Also, those who are so hung up on the originality argument are clearly not familiar with the concept of allegory and the fact that science fiction is a genre that frequently makes use of this. Star Wars is basically a retelling of both World Wars mixed in with the fall of the Roman Empire and elements of Paradise Lost for the prequels. The Twilight Zone and Star Trek frequently used allegory. Harry Potter is also quite similar to WW2.
I love that you brought my girl Alita into this video. I recently rewatched Alita: Battle Angel and it holds up. Yes, it needs a sequel because it doesn't work as a standalone movie due to the loose ends that are left dangling but as the first chapter of a story, it's just as amazing now as it was when it was released. James, Robert and Jon Landau need to get that sequel into production because now that Alita is an established property, the next movie will be FAR more successful than the first, which was a sleeper hit instead of the sky smashing success that it should have been.
I've rewatched this video multiple times, back to back. I've been a huge Avatar fan since day one. I was once ashamed to admit I was an Avatar fan after being made fun of. Now I'm not so ashamed anymore because of you and some others. So thank you for making this video. It truly means a lot to me. Anyway, I will be continuously watching this video all over again because I can't get enough of it.
Personally, I always thought Avatar looked boring. It just wasn't really my thing. Also, glad to see new content from you Anomaly, and thanks for introducing me to Razorfist. That dude is hilarious!
I was never on the Avatar hate-train but I was also never really a fan (mostly because I was like 5/6 years old when it came out) so I never had much interest in it to begin with. But I'm interested in hearing another side of the argument
I mean...I was gonna try to watch it until he said that he's never heard any point of substance that it's a "watered down plagiarized version of other movies"... I mean, the first movie literally is the plot of Dances with Wolves. Only all of the interesting conflicts from that story are missing, and this one is just, "bad man wants thing"... It's a story about a man from a more advanced civilization integrating into a more primitive, native community that is more connected to nature and lives off the land. He does this after learning that his people's perception of them was incorrect. I mean for Christ's sake, Dances with Wolves is about a man who was about to lose a leg...Avatar is about a man who already lost his legs. And that last feature makes Avatar worse because he's actually gets to have a full, working body again...just one that doesn't fit into his society. So...instead of converting into this new society strictly for moralistic principles and appreciation for their lifestyle, he has a HEAVY incentive to turncoat. The political aspects of the North and South fighting, the war with another tribe, the desertion, defection, capture, and freeing of the main character. This one replaced all of that with a Michael Bay-esque battle scene at the end. The fact that this dude said he's heard "nothing" of substance on the most common argument against this movie, not even one minute into this 8 hour spiel, leads me to believe he has absolutely nothing of value to say in the remainder. Because he HAS to be flat out plugging his ears and saying "la la la" to make that statement with a straight face.
@@brendonw456 Yeah. That first argument came off as super disingenuous. He tried to claim we were attacking the movie’s “structure” being too close to DWW. But no, we’re talking about PLOT, which is literally identical in all the major beats and conflicts.
@@brendonw456 .......................wow you could not have missed the point any harder, if one minute was too much for your kindergarten comprehension then 8 hours will certainly light your brain on fire
3:02:31 This is actually a misconception. Nobody said or thought that Titanic was unsinkable, just that it was as safe as it could be. Their were probably some people that thought it was unsinkable but it wasn't the majority. At least that's what I've heard from historians.
It's ironic to think that these mindless haters of misunderstood films (whether if it's the Star Wars prequels or James Cameron's Avatar) have become like Terminators who want to destroy the reputation of the filmmakers who created these legendary films, without realizing that without them, we wouldn't have gotten legendary films like Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Terminator and Aliens. But I guess it's like what Kyle Reese once said, "they can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop... ever, until you are dead!" Thanks for putting out another film critique talking about the good merits of a film and addressing the misunderstandings about the film. Avatar isn't much of favorite of mine when you compare it to the other movies you praised like the Star Wars prequel trilogy, Mulan and Spider-Man. But I still enjoy it all the same😁👍
Last samurai is by far a better film than dances with wolves at least in my opinion For a long time it was my favorite film There's so much damn nuance to it it's amazing and beautiful
Wow, I really love this - Thank you for making this video essay! Avatar has simple yet very profound messages and deeper stuff under the surface level going on but people deliberatly ignore it because "smurfahontas bad" I love a well made parody or making fun of something, but it always intrigued me how people even delegitimize some of the objective great things or getting downright hateful towards this movie. Like if they are offended personally by it. Its frustrating to hear the same old bullshit why avatar is the worst all over again, but it is also not surprising because it always was cool and edgy hating on something successful. How social media and algoritms tend to work, it got a lot worse in the last 10-15 years. And avatar, being a deeply sincere and passionate piece of art from one of the greatest filmmakers of all time has a lot of lore to make fun of or hating on. (Never got the hate for the phantom menance either, i loved every aspect as a kid.) But as time goes on and nostalgia kicks in, the prequel-trilogy now finally gets the love it deserves, and i already can see the shift happening slowly regarding to avatar, atleast the loudest minority got shut down a bit with the success of the 2nd movie. The silent majority loves the series anyway. Maybe not all are dedicated like you, creating an 8-hour long well-researched, defensive loveletter, but they will continue to show up for it and the saga will be as big in the long run as star wars 1-6, no doubt about that. The first movie was the catalyst for changing my life for the better and i will never forget the impact it had, has on me to this day. Thank you again for this, you have earned a sub and made me appreciate some aspects of the movie even more!
I haven't watched the first Avatar in years but when it came out, I was practically making sweet, tender love to that movie. I was riding it harder than Nomz rides George Lucas' and James Cameron's massive, glorious dicks. It didn't matter if it was in the cinema or at home because Avatar's just as good on the small screen as on the big screen. The Extended Edition elevates an already great movie into an outright masterpiece.
Ok explanation for the lack of 3rd pair of arms. The prolemuras that we see in the beginning of the movie are clearly related. But interestingly have their upper arm fused and have two fingers on each hand. So I predict that as the ancestors of the Navi relied more on walking on there feet their lower arms and hands fused as the used them more for tool making and object manipulation
Finally got through this video, I watched it in chunks here and there. You are raising some great points, and I am inspired by the detailed commitment on display here. I remember watching that video on Avatar's ironic soundtrack, and feeling slight disappointment towards James Cameron, without doing my own research. However, I had always been a big fan of Avatar's soundtrack, so I never 100% understood the viewpoint put forward in there that the soundtrack is apparently trash and unoriginal. But anyway, I hope this video reaches the right people and achieves what you are hoping for. It would be a shame if all the criticism and hatred that is directed at Avatar and James Cameron leads to the same outcome as it did with George Lucas. And I hope that's one point everybody could agree on, be they detractors or fans of Avatar or Cameron, that bandwagoning on a creative to an extent that they lose their creative passion is overall a bad outcome, and we would all be worse off for driving another creative genius out of the business. And from everything you have shown, he seems like a genuine person as well, not a Hollywood suit, nor a "woke" activist. And I think we need more people like him, who are just plain old-fashioned genuine and apolitical. Anyway, you have my respect and appreciation!
Hey Anomaly I’m really happy I found your channel! I was binging so many of your vids when I discovered you. You actually convinced me Jar Jar isn’t as bad as people say lol. I have a request, I remember in your Rise of Skywalker video you mentioned Dark Empire, which is a part of the OEU( original expanded universe), it’s the one where Luke has a son and Han and Leia have 3 kids instead of 1. I just think it’d be cool if you did a video breaking down your thoughts on it, it’s a radio drama that’s 3 hours long I believe. I know you said in the video you thought it was ridiculous but I think the writers who were creating that story were using it as a springboard to just get up in running, like they’d bring Palpatine back and then go from there. I feel it takes away from Anakin being the chosen one but it doesn’t take away from Darth Vader’s sacrifice, Luke and Leia kill him in the end but that doesn’t change how Anakin still did the right thing in the end. I’m overall curious how you feel about the OEU, I’ve listened to a few audiobooks of them and gone to wookipedia. This past summer I bought a ton of the books because I’ve realized Star Wars is dead so might as well enjoy it in some capacity.
My problem with James is he preaches to the plebs how they should live their lives. While living his entire plush life in complete opposition to his narrative. I'm just saying.
@@nicholascosentino8492 James Cameron doesn't preach. He's made it very clear that he wants the audience to enjoy his movies and whenever he brings up anything political, he makes it clear that it's only HIS opinion. He never tries to force people to agree with him, he's just speaking from the heart instead of virtue signalling. The context behind his comments about testosterone proves it because he was referring to how it affects HIM, not how it affects men in general. James Cameron also makes movies from the heart just like George Lucas did. However, entitled idiots take him for granted, just like they took Lucas for granted. If history repeats itself with Avatar and Cameron gives it up to corporate hacks, the people who complained will be begging him to come back, just like they were pleading for Lucas to pull off a miracle to fix Star Wars.
NOOO! Surely one of the greatest filmmakers of all time isn't intelligent enough to think of that! What a ludicrous idea! In all seriousness, Critical Drinker's an idiot. As a creator and published author, he should know that both James Cameron and George Lucas are masters of their craft but instead he listens to retards on the internet. I only listen to him because he's entertaining. Don't take that moron seriously.
Btw the last four boilers were lit but the ship was not at full speed when it hit the iceberg. Also lifeboats we’re meant for transporting passengers from one vessel to another, not for every passenger to get off the ship at once. This was the case until the Titanic’s sinking
The reason I didn’t like the film was because there wasn’t really any depth to most of the characters and I don’t like how most of the human faction was written very one dimensionally but I do like the world and what it has to offer I just wish it had a better story to go with it.
Quaritch has plenty of depth. He's the most well developed character in the film and Stephan Lang is such a great actor that he can convey that Quaritch is going through an existential crisis after coming back from the dead without actually talking about it. I think that was Lang's own idea because he apparently suggested the scene where Quaritch crushes his own skull with a pained look on his face.
@@tomnorton4277 I am just worried they’re going to turn quaritch 100% Navi and 100% against the humans if they did that I’m never watching another avatar movie again. I am also going to just leave this here because this guy explains my problems with the films better than I can. ua-cam.com/video/RGx8rYbRVR4/v-deo.html assuming the link works
@@JerrytheBonecrusher8500 ironically one of his quotes is "Art makes you think propaganda does the thinking for you" Not only have you demonstrated just that put posting someone elses perspective as a substitute for your own But the propaganda spun about Avatar is largely why theres such an online trend of hating it in the first place I mean you yoursekf said the characters lack depth and i outline in this very video how the main protagonist is conflicting in 3 very distinct directions just as an example
I've been waiting for this! Also, 8 hours?! Oh boy, I better grab some popcorn, this is going to be good! I'll admit, I was somewhat part of the hate-bandwagon when Avatar first came out. Why? Simple: I didn't get it. I watched the trailer, I knew *exactly* how everything would play out, thought it'd be generic schlock as a result, so I turned the other way and never looked back. I was baffled when it ended up becoming the highest grossing movie of all time, and even more so when someone, I forgot who, got the DVD for my birthday. My exact thought at the time: "Aw no, I'm gonna have to deal with this crap now?!" So my family and I all sat down to watch it, and when it was over well I wasn't sure what to think. The story *did* play out exactly as I thought it would, but the execution was so good and the world was so interesting that it didn't matter. We all ended up re-watching it the following night, and since then Avatar has become one of my absolute favorite James Cameron films. Is it his best? No, I still prefer Aliens (my personal favorite of Cameron's), and the first two Terminator films are definitely more iconic, but the more I think about Pandora, the lore, the characters, etc, the more I appreciate how much work and creativity Cameron put into it. It's so easy to get sucked into that world and never want to come out, It's gotten to the point where when I went to see The Way of Water, the moment the film opened up to Pandora's forests and floating mountains, I had only one thought: "I'm home." So that's how I went from an Avatar skeptic to a big fan, and now I try to defend both films when possible from the tidal waves of unnecessary hate it gets. I'm looking forward to seeing what Cameron has in store for the sequels (he better have something up his sleeve because does this franchise really need 6 or 7 sequels in a row???).
1:06:53 I have nothing but appreciation for all of the flora and fauna put into the film as a big creature fan. The great leonopteryx usually being a hard favorite but I digress. I will say that I and a lot of other spec evo folks have questioned the decision to male the Na'av break the hexapod rule amongst pandoras vertebrates the reasoning out of universe Is very understandable beyond simply being visual appeal and I can respect that
"I will say that I and a lot of other spec evo folks have questioned the decision to male the Na'av break the hexapod rule amongst pandoras vertebrates the reasoning out of universe Is very understandable beyond simply being visual appeal and I can respect that" People often to point to the prolemuris, which looks like a primate and has each pair of arms on the side fused but still separate from each other.
Avatar & now Avatar 2 are stunningly beautiful films . I dont care who doesnt like it! Its $$$ take at theaters tell a very different story. The world loves Avatar movies!!
This is the BEST effing analysis this movie have ever gotten, THANK YOU, you know how many hours I have wasted explain idiots in the internet so many of this misconceptions people like NOSTALGIA CRITIC and now so many more aholes made about this movie, just because they somehow find it preachy, this is a very deserved 8 hours DEMOLISH of all that crap I have read or watch and hear from many sources about how this movie that TWICE have conquer the world and audiences hearts, is FORGETTABLE, no one remember a character name (Jake Sully, Neytiri, Netayam, Kiri, Tuk, oh yeah very forgettable) and that is only VFX and nothing else, no substance....all that major BS that people have say, this amazing insane video you made my friend I already have watch your content but somehow I missed this, I have to tip my hat and subscribe man, again thank you for making this.
This is one of the best video essays I’ve ever seen. Thank you for this. Also, unrelated but, 6:26:48 curse you Critical Drinker for putting in this stock scream. I’m sorry but I hate this sound effect so much.
As someone who definitely enjoys reviewers like the drinker, I really think hate mongering art (not corporate crap) is only going to make things worse for movies. Even if you don’t fully respect a film, impassioned artists need to be supported so that studios can give them more movie deals.
Another thing to take into account about Jake Sully being as generic as Luke Skywalker (and he isn't because being a paraplegic is enough to lift him out of generic territory since we almost never see that in movies) is that Sam Worthington is a better actor than Mark Hamill. Hamill didn't come into his own until his later years and the one time where he was allowed to show off how good an actor he's become was when he was involved in the absolute shitshow that was Disney Trilogy. Outside of that, he spends most of his time doing voice acting. Worthington's had a fairly low key career but he hasn't been struggling to find work. In fact, I think he goes for more low key projects on purpose because the sky smashing success of Avatar interfered with his private life. Nevertheless, he's been consistently making live action movies ever since Avatar came out, a minimum of 1 per year and in 2010 he was actually in 4 live action productions. Hamill spends most of his career in a recording booth which, let's be honest, is MUCH easier than onscreen acting because you only need to do the voice. James Earl Jones initially refused to take credit for Darth Vader because he thought David Prowse was doing all of the hard work. There are some voice actors that I have MASSIVE respect for - the late, great Tony Jay AKA Judge Claude Frollo is one of them - but the mannerisms and expressions of the characters rely entirely on animation which means that the actor doesn't need to concern themselves with them. Live action performances rely just as much on expressions and body language as line delivery, and these mannerisms can vary from role to role, but voice acting consists entirely around SOUNDING right, not looking right. To quote Bender, voiced by the legendary John DiMaggio, another voice actor I have huge respect for partially due to his self-awareness; "You can work and be lazy at the same time. It's like being a voice actor." If you think Jake Sully sucks then, for consistencies sake, you have to say that Luke Skywalker is dogshit.
I'd never considered it a masterpiece but it's a really good movie, almost great but not quite, but the unprovoked hate makes me want to defend it as well. I like this UA-cam genre you've developed on setting the record straight on overhated works of art
The critique of Way of Water that I partially agree with is that people waited 13 years for James Cameron's passionate project to strike their imagination (like his movies in the past) only to get a very simple story about protecting your family streched over 3 hours. Even James Cameron himself openly regretted that he spent so many years making Avatar and he wished to have time to make more movies of different jenres. That being said, that still doesn't make the movie objectively bad. Just underwhelming compared to earlier James Cameron movies and even the first Avatar.
Welcome to "Still Frame To Protect From Copyright" the video "I See You Brother and Thank you"
Congratulations on your 8+ hours.
Phenomenal work! Your channel deserves so much more attention!
God Bless You, Lord Nomz
I've been watching this video for 3 days and I'm still not done 😗
Could you PLEASE put in book marks next time? Love the video, but because it's so long, it's hard to know where I left off.
Always. Thanks for making the video. Its great.
This is why I love your work. You point out the hypocrites and the bs standards of criticism against movies and their creators
This 8-hour video is the textbook definition of dedication.
More like COPE*
With an 8-hour video means your gonna get a lot of people complaining about it the videos run time and then leave a hate comment like “making an 8 hour long essay automatically makes Anomaly Inc a stupid face and I have no actual argument to do so”
I think he should have done 8 parts and farmed mor views ❤
@@FeliX-TobiYahs-C come back when you have a good refutation
The Extended Version is a gem. Jake's life on Earth is actually SHOWN instead of just being talked about and the scene where Grace tells Jake about Sylwanin's death allows Sigourney Weaver to really show off her acting chops after mostly being snarky throughout the rest of the movie. Sylwanin wasn't even mentioned in the Theatrical Version, so thank goodness Cameron managed to get the Extended Cut released in cinemas. It's definitely the superior movie.
Agreed
Didn’t know there was an extended edition
I love that version, but I understand why Cameron made the cuts he did for the theatrical version.
Damn I gotta see if! I already liked the original but this sounds even better
I'd argue she was mentioned, just not by name. "Yeah that tends to happen when you use machine guns on them" is directly referencing Sìlwanìn's death, how the RDA shot up the school of na'vi children Grace was teaching.
Something to listen to for my entire 8 Hour work shift. Thanks.
And thank you for providing those Deleted scenes, really helped this video out
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For a movie that is so clearly communicated, it's incredible how misunderstood it has become. It's frankly mind-boggling how superficial and confidently wrong many are in their assessment of these movies.
It's the same for the Star Wars Prequels.
@@tomnorton4277 true, even if they aren't my favorites, they are misunderstood and overly hated. Additionally the hate George Lucas gets genuinely makes me sad. He's a living god of cinema but is treated like a leper
@@chrisbarnett5303 People were jealous of George Lucas, just like they're jealous of James Cameron. Both of them are gods of cinema and people resent them for being so good at their jobs.
You pointed out exactly what is wrong with many “critics” of media. Many act like they know and understand the filmmaking process but clearly don’t. All films go through re shoots, which is the go to for these “critics” to have their “gotcha” moments. I mean look at how they used it for almost every DCEU film. It also shows how competent Lucas and Cameron are as directors that they try to see their films through the eyes of the audience and try to understand what would resonate with them. Many directors have a vision in mind for any film, but many of those ideas have to be scrapped or left out and many directors feel bad that those scenes and ideas are left out. But know that it will hurt their film if left in. Unlike other directors like Tug On My Titty’s (think about it) who keep a bunch of stupid humor regardless if it makes sense or not.
A lot of these same "critics" were trying to defend incompetent hacks like Rian Johnson and JJ Abrams.
I’m so glad Nomz addressed the misconception that movies are getting longer. He’s right. Movies are getting shorter if anything. The 3 hour epic is now a rarity when it used to be quite commonplace and especially amongst some of the most awarded movies of all time.
You can watch some Bollywood movies for 3+ hour epics. I recommend RRR.
I didn't see Avatar in Theaters. But I remember how big it was and how everyone was talking about it. Over the years, I heard it was bad, had terrible characters and was all about an in your face environmentalism message. Eventually the girl that is now my wife, wanted to show it to me. I figured I might as well. I loved the movie and couldn't understand why everyone was saying it was terrible. There was a huge disconnect between what I'd heard about the film, and what I saw and experienced when I watched it.
It's awesome that James Cameron descended from on high and went out of his way to try and help the "unwashed masses". He remembers what it's like to be down on your luck because he was a truck driver before entering the film industry. A man that high up in the film industry is set for life, so he had absolutely nothing to gain by trying to help people who are struggling, yet he did it anyway. You won't see many people in Hollywood who go out of their way to do what he does. Plenty will virtue signal about it but when push comes to shove, almost all of them stay in their ivory towers instead of personally getting their hands dirty. The louder a person virtue signals, the less likely they are to be sincere.
He's blue collar through and through, and he worked for everything he got. He's still a nerd and big kid at heart. I find him pretty inspirational figure honestly.
I remember liking the first avatar and hadn’t rewatched it until last year when I picked up the extended cut. It was pretty good but I wasn’t in love with it so when I went to go see the way of water with a friend I expected it to be decent but wasn’t particularly hyped. I ended up loving it and walked out with the biggest grin on my face, it’s everything a sequel should be. This proves Cameron is the king of sequels, man just makes bangers.
Not by the money waypoint.
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What?
@@justanormaldilo.249 A1 made 2.7 billion(no I'm not counting the re-release SCREW THAT BS!) and A2 made 2.3 and that is what I meant by the money for he made less and there for overall JC is no longer the king of sequels and the more you look at A2 you will see cracks in the story.
I'm not doing this to be a dick. But JC has established himself as the top director for a reason and with that comes expatiations and that is just how it is and JC has won in all other categories except him being the sequel king. But that is just one thing and I'm not taking anything away from JC past bangers neither. I'm just pointing out.
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Oh, okay. I gotcha.
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There were multiple factors that kept A2 from getting close to A1 in terms of Box office, one of them being that there was a war going on, with the movie being 100% censored in Russia and the fact that times have changed. Streaming platforms have taken away a lot of audience from cinema, it's a fact. A lot of people just rather wait for the movie to come out on their favorite streaming platform instead of going to the cinema and watch it, so yeah, A2 didn't make as much money as A1 did but I believe you are missing out on key factors here.
When it comes to the rest of your comment, I gotta say that I am confused. Cameron had big expectations for the sequel and he delivered. The sequel did things better than the first movie, like the characters and pacing for example. In a lot of ways A2 feels more polished than the first movie, so even tho the story isn't flawless, it is definitely a step in the right direction and in many ways an improvement over the first one, so as far as I can tell, he delivered on the expectations much like he did with T2 back in the day. He is still the king of sequels.
Thanks so much for this. I can't thank you enough for all the hard work and research you poured into this. Avatar is one of the best franchises ever so it's so refreshing to see it finally get the defense and praise it deserves.
I’m two and a half hours in and I want to bring up two points that you brought up. The troupes in films, they’re in every film as you pointed out. I’ve seen so many channels calling out a film or tv show for its tropes but then praise something else that is blatant in its use of tropes. A trope in any piece of media is just what the basic story is about for example the boy meets girl trope, man vs nature, man vs man, man vs himself and man vs supernatural. These are the core basics for any and all films. John Wick is also full of tropes but it’s awesome regardless of that. It’s not the trope that’s the issue, it’s how the story is told. Star Wars and all superhero films are all good Vs evil, man vs man and man vs himself tropes. Some better than others but once again it’s how the story is told. Then it’s the “it’s pushing an agenda” or “it’s woke” argument being passed around and extremely overused statements. I’m not going to deny that it’s being pushed so heavily into media now, with characters being defined ONLY by their race, gender, sexuality and identity and they being the only focal point for so many characters. But there was always some social politics in many pieces of media, but it was how they told them. If we look at the work of Chris Claremont, George Perez, Stan Lee and many other amazing writers in American comics from the 70’s -90’s. Many of the comics at the time introduced and discussed many social issues of the time. George Perez’s Wonder Woman run was full of feminist undertones and the X-men are an algorithm for the civil rights movement. But they worked these issues in away that didn’t distract from the overall story, but also giving the characters more depth and personality than just their own agendas. A really great example of what I mean is, there’s a scene in two different shows. One is “A Discovery of Witches” and the other is “Yellowjackets”. In the world of “Discovery of Witches” there’s three major factions, demons, witches and vampires. Each group has a leader or main being who governs their own respective groups. The demons is lead by a woman who is black, on the day of a big meeting she’s says “there’s to much white male representation in this counsel”. Now for “Yellowjackets” the character Taissa who is also black is running for a political office but needs a wealthy backer for her campaign. Now her character suffered a traumatic event when she was in school along with her other classmates and the potential backer was a white woman. Who wanted to exploit what happened to her and her classmates, if she wants her money. Taissa basically tells her to F off and never once did either bring of each others race. Yet that scene is more powerful because it’s not what was told but what wasn’t told. There’s ways to include social political strife in creative ways. What’s so funny is how so many of these UA-cam channels tout the whole “he’s preaching and pushing an agenda”
Yet use his films to advocate for how movie qualities have gone down and how strong male leads used to be. Yet Cameron is a leftist preachy hollywoood agenda pusher. A simple story doesn’t make something bad or infantile.
Calling a movie emotionally manipulative is the laziest form of film critique. The entire point of cinema and storytelling in general is “emotional manipulation”. What’s hilarious is that the guy at 3:38:30 is explaining exactly why the Na’vi conceptually work and why Cameron made them the way that he did, while missing why this is good craftsmanship.
Critical Drinker's an idiot. He's entertaining but nowhere near as intelligent as he thinks he is.
Took me nearly four days to watch this, but it's extremely well done. Truly a passion project. While Avatar isn't my favorite Cameron film, it's definitely something I've come to respect as time has gone on. I would love to hear your views on Last Samurai as well.
Appreciate all the months it took to make this and that you gave such a spotlight to James Horner as he's made some of my favorite film scores, and my personal favorite film score 'Mask of Zorro'. Film scores are underappreciated and it's nice to see such depth in what is already a long analysis.
I always prefer extended versions of films and I do have that for Avatar as well, along with Lord of the Rings and Kindom of Heaven, all three of which are the definitive version in my opinion. So crazy to think all of the things that seem to be essential especially in another film like Dawn of Justice. Not everyone's cup of tea I know, but no one denies that or Snyder's other massive cut in Justice League are the definitive versions.
But as always, appreciate the willingness to point out flaws even in a gushing review. It's a rare quality. Certainly take your time to rest after this massive project.
Miles Quaritch's motives for wanting a scrap with the Na'vi might be related to his scar. Remember his line when he first meets Jake;
"Three tours of Nigeria. Not a scratch. I come out here..." he points to his scar "Day one."
Granted, we don't know if one of the Na'vi gave him that scar. Judging by its shape, it's actually more likely to have been one of the Pandoran predators. However, it's one of a couple of hints that Quaritch has a personal beef not just with the Na'vi but with Pandora as a whole. The other hint comes in his introductory speech.
"If there is a Hell, you might want to go there for some R&R after a tour on Pandora."
Later on in that same speech, Quaritch pretty clearly spells out his motivations. However, because James Cameron actually knows how to write dialogue, despite what pseudo-intellectuals say, it doesn't feel like exposition.
"As Head of Security, it is my job to keep you alive. I will not succeed. Not with all of you."
Miles Quaritch is a realist. He knows how dangerous Pandora is due to personal experience. He knows that many of his soldiers WILL die whilst touring the planet and he doesn't sugarcoat it for them because he wants them to be prepared. He wants to keep as many of them alive as possible, even if it means performing pre-emptive strikes on "the hostiles".
You get other hints that Quaritch cares when he calls soldiers like Corporal Lyle Wainfleet by their first names instead of their military titles. Unlike Jake, Quaritch has nothing to gain by cosying up to Wainfleet because the Corporal has no connection to the Na'vi outside of shooting at them. It's clear that Quaritch just sees Wainfleet as a brother in arms rather than an asset to be used to undermine their enemies and it actually adds a bit more depth to his relationship with Jake. Quaritch sees ALL of his soldiers as brothers and sisters in arms, so when one of them turns on him, it actually stings.
Even with all that information people still called Quaritch cartoonishly evil in the first movie. However, only the stupid or wilfully blind can deny that some real depth is present in Quaritch throughout Way of Water. And it's consistent with his portrayal in the first Avatar, despite Quaritch himself insisting "I'm not that man." He not only commented that "Good men. Good women" had died because of Jake's betrayal (confirming what was already implied in the first Avatar about Quaritch genuinely caring about his soldiers) but he also let Kiri go when Neytiri threatened Spider. In fact, Quaritch actually seemed less like a savage than Neytiri did in that scene. He may have been Spider's father but they'd only known each other for a couple of months at most. Neytiri watched Spider grow up, playing with her children who thought of him as their brother, learning the Na'vi culture, and despite all that she was still absolutely going to murder the kid to get back at Quaritch. Yes, Netayan had just been killed and Neytiri was mad with grief but Spider was, for all intents and purposes, family. In fact, she was literally the ONLY member of the Sully family who refused to accept him which hints that she still retains some level of racism against Humans. It also hints that Quaritch might actually have good reason to think of the Na'vi as savages. If he's already seen that intolerant and violent side of other Na'vi, Neytiri just provided him with even further confirmation that they're little more than wild animals.
At the end of the day, Miles Quaritch is nowhere near as one-dimensional as people like to say he is. You get hints at a deeper character in Avatar, then outright confirmation that there's more going on with him under the surface in Way of Water. A great moment in that movie is when Quaritch picks up the skull of his Human body. So much is said without words. He just stares silently at the skull, then crushes it with a pained look on his face, aware that this corpse was HIS body and he's destroying a fundamental part of his old life but wanting to move on. It must be a surreal and existential experience to come face to face with your own corpse and the complex emotions Quaritch was going through were conveyed without a single line of dialogue.
Honestly, if James Cameron hadn't resurrected Quaritch, I'm convinced that Way of Water wouldn't be as good as it was. Bringing him back was risky but it absolutely paid off. Jake Sully and Neytiri can carry a movie but they need a worthy opponent and Miles Quaritch provided that in spades.
And one more thing. Stephan Lang is the perfect actor to play Miles Quaritch. He doesn't do many big budget movies and the few that he has done rarely allow him to play significant roles but James Cameron struck gold by casting him in Avatar and giving him a meaty role to chew on. Lang has real leading man presence which makes him such a commanding villain. This role is going to be a significant part of his legacy when he shuffles off this mortal coil and I hope he knows and is proud of that.
About the first part of the comment: yeah, that IS adressed in this video.
About eveything else: agree.
Regarding Neytiri threatening to kill Spider, I never interpreted that she saw him as family. It also seemed like she was gonna kill him when Quaritch held him and the other kids hostage, it looked like from the POV shot that the arrow in her bow was pointed towards Spider and not Quaritch, and I watched this movie in the theater.
That little detail of Grace assuming that Selfridge and Quaritch wanted the Avatar program to fail is brilliant when you take their horrified reaction to the death of their squad into account. Quaritch was ready for a fight but he was motivated by his belief that a war was inevitable rather than a desire to see dead bodies everywhere. As for Selfridge, he didn't want to get into a fight at all.
The fact that Grace misinterpreted both of their motivations shows the miscommunication between the Marines and the Avatar program. If we apply this to the real world, it also emphasises the miscommunication between powerful companies and the individuals working in them. They aren't willing to LISTEN to each other. Grace is as guilty of this as Selfridge and Quaritch are which is something that I never noticed in the Extended Cut. So much more depth with such a seemingly small detail.
1:44:40 plus, the invader swirching sides aginst his own is far more compelling than the natives simply getting invaded by baddies, and just... fighting the baddies. There is struggle and tension between opposing forces within himself. Plus, it's even more compelling here because the invader PHYSIOLOGICALLY becomes a member of the natives when he switches sides.
You know what I am finding out more and more. The internet mind or intellect has become the voice for all things right nowadays. If you do not check certain checkboxes in their definitions than you are perceived lesser in intellect or understanding.
The biggest thing I have learnt in my animation career is KISS, which stands for *keep it simple stupid.* James understands simplicity. James Cameron is out here making master classes and billions, living out his happiness while many internet voices are depressed, not fully self actualized in their being and making much less successful steps then he is. Yet, if you give them a keyboard they act as if they are the world on what makes a good film. Where are the films from these crowds?
News flash, the cool term 'movies' was coined to simply mean moving pictures. People back then used to just go to watch movies to escape the realities of this world. They wanted to be entertained and have a good time. Sure the art of film making has evolved over the years but the core reason majority of the world watches movies today remains the same. Simply to escape or be tricked into escaping at least. James Cameron successful does this every time.
I enjoyed the first Avatar as a child and it was the first film I have ever bought, steel book and everything. Everyone I know loves it. We all live on an island in the Caribbean and find that the film catered to the feeling of heart, culture and religion really well. It is when I went online that I see the hate, and most of the hate is coming from the western people online. I think the internet is suffering from a curse of the over burdens of knowledge. The more you know, the more things become less spectacular and wonderful; and people seems to not be able to separate that notion when they sit down and enjoy a film these days. This is the plague that is affecting a subset of movie goers and if you stray away from these minds, you'd enjoy almost any film you set out to watch.
I have not watched Avatar WOW yet but know this, when I am about to, I have no reason to believe that I will be having a bad time.
Have a great day!
To quote a certain emperor, “I have waited a long time for this moment.”
Hahaha yes ! Saw the 8 hour time tag ! Pulled up my comfy chair and settled in !
Love you brother for your work with avatar and also the Star Wars prequels
God bless you ❤❤❤❤❤❤
Your most elaborate project yet... even more than Revenge of the Prequels
😂😂😂😂 your funny. I'm not saying that this is not elaborate but more so than revenge of the prequels....😂😂😂😂
@@Reaperx420 Revenge of the prequels was designed to be basic, so of course it's possible to make something more elaborate
@Monarch Music it's eight hours long, please explain the majority of his Watchers are actually going to sit through the whole thing and listen to every last bit.
It took him multiple episodes before he even had one that was pretty long like 3 hours I'm pretty sure... note after Watchers were already invested in the series.
Anomaly is really good at making videos so why couldn't we split this up, making it more, let's say tolerable.
Now let's talk about elaborate, when you first start watching the Revenge series, while anomaly is no dummy his knowledge is limited. As you watch further into this series his knowledge grows and becomes very elaborate as you want to say
Looking at a from the outside picture it's the same thing, he loves both creators and he has invested time and both of them therefore it's not far off! But this video is 8 hours! The first thing I thought was are you serious.
If I'm going to spend that many hours watching one thing I'll watch Lord of the Rings extended or I will watch a bunch of Star Wars that are worth watching or even Harry Potter
I love anomaly but let's get this real
@@officialmonarchmusic I never said that it wasn't elaborate but I will argue when people say that is more elaborate when it is technically the same thing just too different creators and he's not tearing Tardes apart in this one, and when he did tear them apart it was hilarious.
@@Reaperx420 It being 8 hours long has no bearing on whether it is or is not elaborate
Tropes have never been considered bad in storytelling. They are tools to be used by storytellers in crafting their story. Cliches are bad tropes are not. Even in writing class they taught this. All these reviewers saying otherwise don’t know what a trope is
Cliches aren't necessarily bad. It depends on how you use them. Those writing classes that claim you can't use cliches at all are only limiting their writers because there are some stories where cliches are totally appropriate. It's simply a case of knowing the rules well enough to know when and where you can break them.
Using the terms "good" and "bad" in anything movie related is pretty irrelevant tbh
As someone who admires James Cameron and his movie-making skills (even though I believe he peaked with Terminator 2) I will definitely give this a watch when I have time to spare.
True lies is amazing
I saw the 10 minute preview scene in IMAX 3-D before it came out and I knew it was going to be a giant success!
The 3-D was 8K crystal clear,
we couldn't believe what we were seeing🤯
James Cameron is always on the cutting edge of movie technology.
I'm sure avatar 3 will have something new that will blow everybody's mind again!
The most movie ever made 😆
Time watch the entirety of this in one sitting while I write an essay
Before opening the video I thought it was you talking about some 8 hour content avatar but when I opened it and saw that it was YOUR content with 8 hours it was so fucking surprising but also good because fucking hell I love long videos
Now i am ready to watch 8 entire ours of this and it's going to be so fucking good i can FEEL it man
I am going to watch this even at gym my man, it's going to be me and this amazing masterpiece together
A bit late on this, but THANK YOU! I love this film, and the way of water, there’s so many great elements to them. From the beautiful visuals, to their stories about family, along with connection everyone has with nature, they’re just great films! I am also really impressed with this video, I mean, 8 hours? That’s a lot of dedication to these movies, and I admire the dedication! I seriously wish people would stop dismissing them and acting like no one cares about this franchise! These are well crafted, enjoyable films, and many people adore them! ❤
@@justanotherguy2609 they can't justify their stance so they gotta make stuff up
They said the new one would flop because no-one cared about Avatar
Ended up making over 2 billion
Shows what they knew
Im glad you enjoyed the video
@@anomalyinc3239 Exactly! They believe their echo chamber is significantly larger than it really is.
A couple thousand angry people on Twitter and UA-cam mean nothing to the millions who saw the film, so, like you said, they just try to justify everything with lies. Which has been proven wrong with just how big this franchise actually is.
If no once cares about avatar, why did both films make over two billion? Why do we have games and theme park rides? They just want to ignore everything and deny the truth.
No problem, This video was amazing, I really appreciate the work you did on this topic!
Wow. You just made my shit day one of the best days I've had in a while. Thank you sir, for the work alone you should earn a medal.
WOW! This video is a gem 💎 Been following this channel for a while, and this is definitely a video that is a must watch for anyone that has an interest in movies or just a casual movie watcher. Thank you for this one, your hard work on these videos is appreciated! 💯👏👍😀
James Cameron started out as a truck driver and was inspired to enter the film industry by Star Wars. He even became friends with George Lucas later in life. However, when he started his career, Cameron had NONE of the Hollywood connections that so many people in the film industry are given from birth. He's the complete opposite of a hack because he had no choice but to succeed through a combination of talent and determination.
It's crazy to me that these big movie reviewers and talking heads here on UA-cam will be like "studio medeling has ruined this story and what the creator wanted" and then when a creator is able to put the love they want into it suddenly its "someone needs to control these egos." This is even more crazy when you think about the fact that these movies are some of the most successful ones ever and somehow people think they know better.
It's the Dunning Kruger effect. Idiots almost always think they know more than people with actual intelligence and/or knowledge of a subject or craft. You'll rarely find an idiot who has enough self-awareness to know that they're stupid. I'm sure they exist but they're in the minority among all the stupid people in the world.
Regarding the love story of The Last Samurai, it's not so much that Algren is Tom Cruise. It's the fact that while he did kill her husband in defense of his own life, he regretted it to the point where he befriended her and her family, giving her mixed feelings and then finally got up the courage to apologize, earning her forgiveness and eventually her love. It takes a big man to say he's sorry and mean it.
Another thing, the Colonial Marines that inspired Halo and Avatar, they were based on the Starship Troopers, the original novel obviously since the movie wasn't made yet.
oh im fully aware that the Algren/Taka love story makes sense, i just painted it in a very unflattering light to make a point, as for my comment about the colonial marines, Cameron very well may have been inspired by starship troopers for that concept but i was also referring to the design of their armor which Halos artstyle all but completely replicated, im not sure how Cameron could've thefted the design from a novel
@@anomalyinc3239 I gotcha, just thought I'd drop my 2 cents in.
4:38:50 Agreed, there's NOTHING wrong with composers quoting their past works in new films. Example: Mark Mancina, the composer for, imho, the best "Die Hard clone" Speed (1994) reused the piece from the beginning where Jack and Harry were racing up the stairwell to the 32nd floor in the opening of the first Bad Boys film where the bad guys are attempting to break into the police station. Also agree that there's nothing wrong with having multiple different versions of one theme in a movie or game. In the video game Resident Evil Code: Veronica, there's a song called "Berceuse", or Alexia's Lullaby, and there are at least a dozen different variations of it in that game, a piano version, a music box version, a song version, etc. Having multiple different versions of one theme helps add different vibes and emotions.
Don't forget that the final act of TG Maverick seems derivative of ANH--- but thats because ANH's trench run/ death star battle was heavily derivative of other WW2 movies from the past. In particular The Dambusters from the 1950s, which it even lifts exact dialogue and camera shots etc from. It just goes to show that this kind of thing is massive in movies. There are supposedly only 7 basic stories that you can tell - and the hundreds of thousands of movies ever made just tell those same 7 stories in new and interesting ways...
When I was watching top Gun Maverick in theaters, when they mentioned the target was only 2 meters wide, I almost said allowed "That's impossible! Even for a computer." But I thought better of it.
The *_Avatar_* series is currently this generation's prequel *_Star Wars_* trilogy: underrated movies that are getting way too much unnecessary hate from the media and now Twitter losers.
Nah, Zack Snyder's DC Trilogy is this generation's Star Wars prequel trilogy.
After many months, it's finally here! Definitely gonna pour myself a few drinks and listen to this beauty tonight.
The reason why Avatar works is because yes it’s simple BUT it takes its self SERIOUS. So it allows the audience to take it serious. We are talking about a film with 9ft tall blue aliens, mec suits, and flying dragons and the global audience don’t even notice all that because everything is taken serious and represents something we can relate to. Avatar does what other sci fi films wish they could do, draw in the global general audience who’s not even into movies like that especially heavy sci fi type of films with aliens and shit. James Cameron is the man.
The most movie ever made
Well, to be fair. It helps that the film isn't overly convoluted or complex. It's a definite crowd pleaser, but one that has a lot of heart to it and a lot of very impressive world building.
@@Charleroi92 the world building is bland
@@yhvvcbhjjggjk-id1rehow so? Cause I see the exact opposite of your position being the case
@@Charleroi92 the entire eco system of pandora is havelly borrowed from our eco system on earth the story is bland and generic. Pandora as a word is pretty bland compared to star wars the lord the rings or westeros in song of ice and fire.
Thank you for doing this. With Local, Filmspeak, Angry Hippie and others, there's a lot of videos defending Avatar and pushing back on the idiotic narratives.
After watching tens of hours of Cameron interviews, basically everything I could find on youtube my main are conclusions are"
1. Cameron is the fucking man.
2. He isn't arrogant, at least not anymore. He is confident and that triggers the haters that think he needs to walk around with a hang dog expression, saying "aw shucks" while putting himself down. Cameron is always praising and uplifting other creators and very rarely puts other movies down. He's not thin-skinned at all- look at that sex pest Charlie Rose try to shit on Cameron and Avatar, and Cameron just laughs it off and says "bring it on!'
3. Cameron is a better motivational/inspirational speaker than the likes of Tony Robbins or whoever's on Oprah and Tedtalks these days. And he's a great fucking teacher. He can explain complex subjects in easily digestible ways and is never condescending or snobby. He's a blue collar dude through and through.
4. He's never lost that child=like sense of wonder. Despite his image as a hard-edged dictator who makes macho action flicks, he has a real sweet, nerdy and hippy child side. He has that openness and balls to walls side of Jake, or Jack from Titanic, that love of tech and science like all the scientist in Avatar, but he has that part of him that's a little kid walking around the woods of Ontario or getting excited reading books about ocean exploration, kind of like Kiri.
5. He has a deep. deep understanding of people's deepest longings. His movies have been the global megasuccesses they were because he just gets something deep about human psychology
Youre damn right
I finally finished this video, and I must say this was a well put together debunking. You addressed a lot of downright stupid criticisms with an actual reason to why they are stupid. The only point I would disagree with is that I would say TWOTW is on par with avatar not better or worse.
Im at 6th hour mark, day-2, and I cant thank you enough for churning out this epic lengthy but worthy video response! Ive watched these critisms videos before to be able to hear and see their perspectives from an unbiased pov, however I couldnt shake the feeling that most of them were grasping at thin air, drawing consclusions first then cherry picking details that could strengthen their arguments and dismissing the many good parts of the movies that so many people have resonated with and loved so much. Thank you! Irayo! ❤
So Creetosis makes an 8 hour video on Fallout 3 being bad against someone else's critique video and it's praised, but when Anomaly Inc makes an 8 hour video deconstructing the horrible strawman's against James Cameron's Avatar and it's somehow labeled as coping, simping, and ludicrous for being informative, entertaining and straightforward?
I'm telling you no one appreciates differing opinions backed up with facts, keep up your vids Anomaly Inc and never back out on your critiques 🎉👍🎆
It's because they don't like how Anomaly Inc dares to say positive things about movies. They only like positivity when it comes to things they like.
James Cameron has the rare ability to tickle his audience's 6th sense. His passion for his movies is genuine and is motivated by artistic integrity beyond all else. It's the 6th sense that communicates this to people because you can't really recognise it with your 5 main senses, unless you've done a lot of research on Cameron, but you just KNOW that he's being sincere. That's why his movies resonate with so many people. It's the same with George Lucas and the late Stanley Kubrick. There's so much of their individual personalities in their movies that you can't replicate them which means their films are as genuine as you're ever going to see in a medium that is based mostly - not entirely but mostly - around telling fictional stories.
Fun fact: Die Hard was inspired by the Towering Inferno from 1974 (the creator had a nightmare where terrorists were chasing him through a skyscraper with guns😅
If you don’t like James Cameron’s vision for his Avatar movies and that’s fine, but the Avatar movies are James Cameron’s movies and they wouldn’t be what they are without James Cameron vision.
You can hate the Avatar movies all you want, but they are James Cameron’s vision, with a lot of fans who do love the movies and James Cameron’s vision. And whether you like his movies or not James Cameron is the closest thing we’re currently ever gonna get to having another modern day George Lucas, and that we should saver as many of these independent artists and creative visionaries, with their creative visions like James Cameron and George Lucas, as much as possible when it comes to modern Hollywood.
And if these Avatar haters really believe James Cameron’s Avatar movies will be better off at the hands of Hollywood without James Cameron and that they can’t be any worse without James Cameron, then the haters should always remember what happened when George Lucas sold Star Wars and how well all that turned out. Because you’ll never know what good thing you had or what other people had already loved until it’s already gone
I think it’s important we have more of these type of videos just to remind people of what they did to George Lucas and are currently doing to James Cameron and hopefully this time we can be able to prevent another Disney Lucasfilm purchase from happening if we continue to spread the word and call out all this bull crap
Because those who never learn from history will always be doomed to repeat it
Well said!
I think the problem is people watch something that isn't for them, and are so self centered that they think that the reason they don't like it is because it's bad, not because they just don't like it.
This may very well be Anomaly’s finest hour. Well done my good man. Well done indeed.
The use of green goblin speech from Spider-Man was masterful❤❤❤
Hahaha was perfect aye
Began when I cycled to work, and ended right when I walked into the door of my home.
Great work, bro. Hopefully when I finish setting up my new channel, I’ll express my own relationship with this movie and give you and Local big credit (Reason for the new channel being that I can’t monetize on this one because of those Deleted Scenes I graciously contributed to the world and for UA-camrs like you to use).
Oh it's You, loved your Videos on New Vegas and the good Morally gray stories, I hope you're doing good. 👍😊
8-hour video is some hardcore dedication to the craft! 🎉
the Avatar movies are my favorite movies. Watching them has felt like a spiritual experience like how few films have. I really think Cameron is a polymath renaissance man genius and a living legend of a director, in elite company with Spielberg, Scorcese and Lucas (another living legend that sadly gets too much hate from the internet).
I think Cameron's surpassed Spielberg. Maybe not Scorcese and Lucas but Spielberg hasn't been in his filmmaking prime for a while now.
Kubrick is the GOAT though. Too bad he's dead.
This will be the lengthiest video that i had ever watched,
and even if am neutral about the movie, being shown the nuances involved in topic is enjoyable.
Edit: took me two weeks to watch.
No regret.
I liked this movie, but I still don't know where Aang is. Is he in the background somewhere?
No.
8 hours seems pretty damn impressive, even though Avatar is not my cup of tea.
I can’t imagine how much time and effort went into this, well done. I’m also willing to bet it’s only a matter of time before the cruel mistress that is UA-cam will demonetize this masterpiece.
He is a pioneer in 3D cinematography... which means that he is paving the way for a new era of great filmmakers. Cameron doesn't need a 3D camera to immerse audiences in his vision. Cameron has been immersing audiences the same way since 1984 with The Terminator
I will say the internet has these directors as a photo still. They don’t want change, they can’t stop the change just like they can’t stop the setting suns… it’s honestly sad they don’t grow up.
All the hate of Avatar mainly comes down to one thing, Jealously. The haters are so mad Avatar made so much more money, and was so much more popular than whatever their favorite movie is. So they come up with all kinds of criticisms that could be applied to any other number of great movies, that no one hates on because they didn't make 2 to 3 Billion dollars.
Made it through the whole 8 hours over the course of a few days, thank you for this video. I've always felt that Avatar was getting undeserved hate and most of these "critics" online is what kept me from watching Avatar 2 initially and some of my friends too. Luckily, I still decided to watch it and absolutely loved it. And one of my friends actually wants to watch it with me too now as he was also discouraged from watching it because of all the backlash.
(Also if I made any grammatical mistakes please do point them out, I am still learning english)
Hi Anomaly, haven't been served much from you by UA-cam despite being subscribed for a long time
Just want to say your audio balance and editing have improved measurably since I last caught you. Really good job, keep it up man
Bye now I have an 8hr vid to watch
thanks i appreciate that, the audio has always given me some grief but glad to hear its more tolerable now
@@anomalyinc3239 I cant imagine its very easy to do, especially on such a long project
I watched a critical drinker video a while ago I cant remember which one it was but the editing was distracting, he had several cuts per second for almost the whole video he usually never makes mistakes like that, just a terrible headache.
I've watched a couple of hours by now and you have pretty excellently selected clips and imagery that reinforces your script, the only thing I would have changed personally is cutting a bit of the James Cameron clip that was used twice to make it shorter, especially since both clips were used 'relatively' close together on the timeline. Possibly even edit it to be more comedic i.e. zoom into his face when he makes the point again. Just something to break up the visual at least
Anyway very very minor along the same lines of maulers TLJ video where he kept saying "decimated" and yeah your audio balance is much better - no crackling, good balance between your recording and the clips you play most of the time
Good work, there you have my compliment sandwich so far :)
8 hours?! You've just surpassed MooLer.
I’ve been waiting a long time for this. Finally some validation for us Avatar and James Cameron fans.
Also, those who are so hung up on the originality argument are clearly not familiar with the concept of allegory and the fact that science fiction is a genre that frequently makes use of this. Star Wars is basically a retelling of both World Wars mixed in with the fall of the Roman Empire and elements of Paradise Lost for the prequels. The Twilight Zone and Star Trek frequently used allegory. Harry Potter is also quite similar to WW2.
The Movies you listed sadly aren't as boring to watch as Avatar
James Cameron doesn't do what James Cameron does *for* James Cameron. James Cameron does what James Cameron does because he *IS* James Cameron.
I love that you brought my girl Alita into this video. I recently rewatched Alita: Battle Angel and it holds up. Yes, it needs a sequel because it doesn't work as a standalone movie due to the loose ends that are left dangling but as the first chapter of a story, it's just as amazing now as it was when it was released. James, Robert and Jon Landau need to get that sequel into production because now that Alita is an established property, the next movie will be FAR more successful than the first, which was a sleeper hit instead of the sky smashing success that it should have been.
8 hours, i'm going to have to watch it in parts but i'm glad to see your take on movies
I've rewatched this video multiple times, back to back. I've been a huge Avatar fan since day one. I was once ashamed to admit I was an Avatar fan after being made fun of. Now I'm not so ashamed anymore because of you and some others. So thank you for making this video. It truly means a lot to me. Anyway, I will be continuously watching this video all over again because I can't get enough of it.
Much appreciated
I already liked this movie but now I appreciate it a lot more:)
Thanks Nomz
Personally, I always thought Avatar looked boring. It just wasn't really my thing.
Also, glad to see new content from you Anomaly, and thanks for introducing me to Razorfist. That dude is hilarious!
yeah hes cool
@@anomalyinc3239 Yeah I like his content as well.
I was never on the Avatar hate-train but I was also never really a fan (mostly because I was like 5/6 years old when it came out) so I never had much interest in it to begin with. But I'm interested in hearing another side of the argument
Same. I expected something amazing and walked away feeling “meh” at absolute best. That being said, I’m interested to see Nomz’s prospective.
I mean...I was gonna try to watch it until he said that he's never heard any point of substance that it's a "watered down plagiarized version of other movies"...
I mean, the first movie literally is the plot of Dances with Wolves. Only all of the interesting conflicts from that story are missing, and this one is just, "bad man wants thing"...
It's a story about a man from a more advanced civilization integrating into a more primitive, native community that is more connected to nature and lives off the land. He does this after learning that his people's perception of them was incorrect. I mean for Christ's sake, Dances with Wolves is about a man who was about to lose a leg...Avatar is about a man who already lost his legs. And that last feature makes Avatar worse because he's actually gets to have a full, working body again...just one that doesn't fit into his society. So...instead of converting into this new society strictly for moralistic principles and appreciation for their lifestyle, he has a HEAVY incentive to turncoat.
The political aspects of the North and South fighting, the war with another tribe, the desertion, defection, capture, and freeing of the main character. This one replaced all of that with a Michael Bay-esque battle scene at the end.
The fact that this dude said he's heard "nothing" of substance on the most common argument against this movie, not even one minute into this 8 hour spiel, leads me to believe he has absolutely nothing of value to say in the remainder. Because he HAS to be flat out plugging his ears and saying "la la la" to make that statement with a straight face.
@@brendonw456 Yeah. That first argument came off as super disingenuous. He tried to claim we were attacking the movie’s “structure” being too close to DWW. But no, we’re talking about PLOT, which is literally identical in all the major beats and conflicts.
@@captainuseless2120 The plot is a classic trope. Dances with Wolves is not the first movie to use it nor is it the last one
@@brendonw456 .......................wow you could not have missed the point any harder, if one minute was too much for your kindergarten comprehension then 8 hours will certainly light your brain on fire
Great analysis and Perfect ending to the video with that song
3:02:31 This is actually a misconception. Nobody said or thought that Titanic was unsinkable, just that it was as safe as it could be. Their were probably some people that thought it was unsinkable but it wasn't the majority. At least that's what I've heard from historians.
It's ironic to think that these mindless haters of misunderstood films (whether if it's the Star Wars prequels or James Cameron's Avatar) have become like Terminators who want to destroy the reputation of the filmmakers who created these legendary films, without realizing that without them, we wouldn't have gotten legendary films like Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Terminator and Aliens. But I guess it's like what Kyle Reese once said, "they can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop... ever, until you are dead!"
Thanks for putting out another film critique talking about the good merits of a film and addressing the misunderstandings about the film. Avatar isn't much of favorite of mine when you compare it to the other movies you praised like the Star Wars prequel trilogy, Mulan and Spider-Man. But I still enjoy it all the same😁👍
Bro because of people like you most modern movies are squalls . Because of fan boys like you nothing new and original can be created
Last samurai is by far a better film than dances with wolves at least in my opinion
For a long time it was my favorite film
There's so much damn nuance to it it's amazing and beautiful
Wow, I really love this - Thank you for making this video essay! Avatar has simple yet very profound messages and deeper stuff under the surface level going on but people deliberatly ignore it because "smurfahontas bad"
I love a well made parody or making fun of something, but it always intrigued me how people even delegitimize some of the objective great things or getting downright hateful towards this movie.
Like if they are offended personally by it.
Its frustrating to hear the same old bullshit why avatar is the worst all over again, but it is also not surprising because it always was cool and edgy hating on something successful. How social media and algoritms tend to work, it got a lot worse in the last 10-15 years.
And avatar, being a deeply sincere and passionate piece of art from one of the greatest filmmakers of all time has a lot of lore to make fun of or hating on.
(Never got the hate for the phantom menance either, i loved every aspect as a kid.)
But as time goes on and nostalgia kicks in, the prequel-trilogy now finally gets the love it deserves, and i already can see the shift happening slowly regarding to avatar, atleast the loudest minority got shut down a bit with the success of the 2nd movie.
The silent majority loves the series anyway.
Maybe not all are dedicated like you, creating an 8-hour long well-researched, defensive loveletter, but they will continue to show up for it and the saga will be as big in the long run as star wars 1-6, no doubt about that.
The first movie was the catalyst for changing my life for the better and i will never forget the impact it had, has on me to this day.
Thank you again for this, you have earned a sub and made me appreciate some aspects of the movie even more!
I haven't watched the first Avatar in years but when it came out, I was practically making sweet, tender love to that movie. I was riding it harder than Nomz rides George Lucas' and James Cameron's massive, glorious dicks. It didn't matter if it was in the cinema or at home because Avatar's just as good on the small screen as on the big screen. The Extended Edition elevates an already great movie into an outright masterpiece.
Ok explanation for the lack of 3rd pair of arms. The prolemuras that we see in the beginning of the movie are clearly related. But interestingly have their upper arm fused and have two fingers on each hand. So I predict that as the ancestors of the Navi relied more on walking on there feet their lower arms and hands fused as the used them more for tool making and object manipulation
Finally got through this video, I watched it in chunks here and there. You are raising some great points, and I am inspired by the detailed commitment on display here. I remember watching that video on Avatar's ironic soundtrack, and feeling slight disappointment towards James Cameron, without doing my own research. However, I had always been a big fan of Avatar's soundtrack, so I never 100% understood the viewpoint put forward in there that the soundtrack is apparently trash and unoriginal.
But anyway, I hope this video reaches the right people and achieves what you are hoping for. It would be a shame if all the criticism and hatred that is directed at Avatar and James Cameron leads to the same outcome as it did with George Lucas. And I hope that's one point everybody could agree on, be they detractors or fans of Avatar or Cameron, that bandwagoning on a creative to an extent that they lose their creative passion is overall a bad outcome, and we would all be worse off for driving another creative genius out of the business. And from everything you have shown, he seems like a genuine person as well, not a Hollywood suit, nor a "woke" activist. And I think we need more people like him, who are just plain old-fashioned genuine and apolitical. Anyway, you have my respect and appreciation!
Hey Anomaly I’m really happy I found your channel! I was binging so many of your vids when I discovered you. You actually convinced me Jar Jar isn’t as bad as people say lol. I have a request, I remember in your Rise of Skywalker video you mentioned Dark Empire, which is a part of the OEU( original expanded universe), it’s the one where Luke has a son and Han and Leia have 3 kids instead of 1. I just think it’d be cool if you did a video breaking down your thoughts on it, it’s a radio drama that’s 3 hours long I believe. I know you said in the video you thought it was ridiculous but I think the writers who were creating that story were using it as a springboard to just get up in running, like they’d bring Palpatine back and then go from there. I feel it takes away from Anakin being the chosen one but it doesn’t take away from Darth Vader’s sacrifice, Luke and Leia kill him in the end but that doesn’t change how Anakin still did the right thing in the end. I’m overall curious how you feel about the OEU, I’ve listened to a few audiobooks of them and gone to wookipedia. This past summer I bought a ton of the books because I’ve realized Star Wars is dead so might as well enjoy it in some capacity.
About Jar Jar - Also check out "So Uncivilized" UA-cam channel. He does great Star Wars analysis in short videos.
8 hours... holy shit, he's gone beyond the brink.
If you're this passionate about a film, I'm sure your partner loves you a lot lmao
My problem with James is he preaches to the plebs how they should live their lives. While living his entire plush life in complete opposition to his narrative.
I'm just saying.
As in?
@@anomalyinc3239
Really?
@@nicholascosentino8492 James Cameron doesn't preach. He's made it very clear that he wants the audience to enjoy his movies and whenever he brings up anything political, he makes it clear that it's only HIS opinion. He never tries to force people to agree with him, he's just speaking from the heart instead of virtue signalling. The context behind his comments about testosterone proves it because he was referring to how it affects HIM, not how it affects men in general.
James Cameron also makes movies from the heart just like George Lucas did. However, entitled idiots take him for granted, just like they took Lucas for granted. If history repeats itself with Avatar and Cameron gives it up to corporate hacks, the people who complained will be begging him to come back, just like they were pleading for Lucas to pull off a miracle to fix Star Wars.
Its almost like Jake Sully's "generic" character is meant to be an AVATAR for the audience into the story
NOOO! Surely one of the greatest filmmakers of all time isn't intelligent enough to think of that! What a ludicrous idea!
In all seriousness, Critical Drinker's an idiot. As a creator and published author, he should know that both James Cameron and George Lucas are masters of their craft but instead he listens to retards on the internet. I only listen to him because he's entertaining. Don't take that moron seriously.
Btw the last four boilers were lit but the ship was not at full speed when it hit the iceberg. Also lifeboats we’re meant for transporting passengers from one vessel to another, not for every passenger to get off the ship at once. This was the case until the Titanic’s sinking
Yeeeeeaaass! I'm done! That was great!
The ending song legit made me chuckle. 😂
The reason I didn’t like the film was because there wasn’t really any depth to most of the characters and I don’t like how most of the human faction was written very one dimensionally but I do like the world and what it has to offer I just wish it had a better story to go with it.
It does
Quaritch has plenty of depth. He's the most well developed character in the film and Stephan Lang is such a great actor that he can convey that Quaritch is going through an existential crisis after coming back from the dead without actually talking about it. I think that was Lang's own idea because he apparently suggested the scene where Quaritch crushes his own skull with a pained look on his face.
@@tomnorton4277 I am just worried they’re going to turn quaritch 100% Navi and 100% against the humans if they did that I’m never watching another avatar movie again. I am also going to just leave this here because this guy explains my problems with the films better than I can. ua-cam.com/video/RGx8rYbRVR4/v-deo.html assuming the link works
@@JerrytheBonecrusher8500
ironically one of his quotes is "Art makes you think propaganda does the thinking for you"
Not only have you demonstrated just that put posting someone elses perspective as a substitute for your own
But the propaganda spun about Avatar is largely why theres such an online trend of hating it in the first place
I mean you yoursekf said the characters lack depth and i outline in this very video how the main protagonist is conflicting in 3 very distinct directions just as an example
@@anomalyinc3239 Wow you actually replied, I almost forgot about those comments.
I love these movie's as much as the Jhon Wick film's perfect film series so far....Seriously let's go James's Camron for more seqwals😂
I've been waiting for this! Also, 8 hours?! Oh boy, I better grab some popcorn, this is going to be good!
I'll admit, I was somewhat part of the hate-bandwagon when Avatar first came out. Why? Simple: I didn't get it. I watched the trailer, I knew *exactly* how everything would play out, thought it'd be generic schlock as a result, so I turned the other way and never looked back. I was baffled when it ended up becoming the highest grossing movie of all time, and even more so when someone, I forgot who, got the DVD for my birthday. My exact thought at the time: "Aw no, I'm gonna have to deal with this crap now?!"
So my family and I all sat down to watch it, and when it was over well I wasn't sure what to think. The story *did* play out exactly as I thought it would, but the execution was so good and the world was so interesting that it didn't matter. We all ended up re-watching it the following night, and since then Avatar has become one of my absolute favorite James Cameron films. Is it his best? No, I still prefer Aliens (my personal favorite of Cameron's), and the first two Terminator films are definitely more iconic, but the more I think about Pandora, the lore, the characters, etc, the more I appreciate how much work and creativity Cameron put into it. It's so easy to get sucked into that world and never want to come out, It's gotten to the point where when I went to see The Way of Water, the moment the film opened up to Pandora's forests and floating mountains, I had only one thought: "I'm home."
So that's how I went from an Avatar skeptic to a big fan, and now I try to defend both films when possible from the tidal waves of unnecessary hate it gets. I'm looking forward to seeing what Cameron has in store for the sequels (he better have something up his sleeve because does this franchise really need 6 or 7 sequels in a row???).
Fantastic 8 hour video I remember seeing the first avatar in theaters as a kid.
Damn, why didn’t I get a notification for this. This video is perfect
1:06:53 I have nothing but appreciation for all of the flora and fauna put into the film as a big creature fan. The great leonopteryx usually being a hard favorite but I digress. I will say that I and a lot of other spec evo folks have questioned the decision to male the Na'av break the hexapod rule amongst pandoras vertebrates the reasoning out of universe Is very understandable beyond simply being visual appeal and I can respect that
"I will say that I and a lot of other spec evo folks have questioned the decision to male the Na'av break the hexapod rule amongst pandoras vertebrates the reasoning out of universe Is very understandable beyond simply being visual appeal and I can respect that"
People often to point to the prolemuris, which looks like a primate and has each pair of arms on the side fused but still separate from each other.
Babe, wake up! Anomaly Avatar video just dropped!
Remember guys, James Cameron colonized the soundtrack of Avatar
I don't know if I can sit through an 8 hour video, but I'll give you a 👍🏾and a sub just for your hard work ☮️
The only problematic thing about this movie was James Cameron nailing people's cell phones to the wall
O ma God! Great to see you back❤️
I'm gonna have to see this chunky boy over a few days! 😂🙌
Thanks man good to be back
Avatar & now Avatar 2 are stunningly beautiful films . I dont care who doesnt like it! Its $$$ take at theaters tell a very different story. The world loves Avatar movies!!
This is the BEST effing analysis this movie have ever gotten, THANK YOU, you know how many hours I have wasted explain idiots in the internet so many of this misconceptions people like NOSTALGIA CRITIC and now so many more aholes made about this movie, just because they somehow find it preachy, this is a very deserved 8 hours DEMOLISH of all that crap I have read or watch and hear from many sources about how this movie that TWICE have conquer the world and audiences hearts, is FORGETTABLE, no one remember a character name (Jake Sully, Neytiri, Netayam, Kiri, Tuk, oh yeah very forgettable) and that is only VFX and nothing else, no substance....all that major BS that people have say, this amazing insane video you made my friend I already have watch your content but somehow I missed this, I have to tip my hat and subscribe man, again thank you for making this.
Your welcome man keep spreading the good word
This is one of the best video essays I’ve ever seen. Thank you for this.
Also, unrelated but,
6:26:48 curse you Critical Drinker for putting in this stock scream. I’m sorry but I hate this sound effect so much.
this is the longest UA-cam video I have ever watched, how you do it is beyond me
As someone who definitely enjoys reviewers like the drinker, I really think hate mongering art (not corporate crap) is only going to make things worse for movies. Even if you don’t fully respect a film, impassioned artists need to be supported so that studios can give them more movie deals.
Another thing to take into account about Jake Sully being as generic as Luke Skywalker (and he isn't because being a paraplegic is enough to lift him out of generic territory since we almost never see that in movies) is that Sam Worthington is a better actor than Mark Hamill. Hamill didn't come into his own until his later years and the one time where he was allowed to show off how good an actor he's become was when he was involved in the absolute shitshow that was Disney Trilogy. Outside of that, he spends most of his time doing voice acting.
Worthington's had a fairly low key career but he hasn't been struggling to find work. In fact, I think he goes for more low key projects on purpose because the sky smashing success of Avatar interfered with his private life. Nevertheless, he's been consistently making live action movies ever since Avatar came out, a minimum of 1 per year and in 2010 he was actually in 4 live action productions. Hamill spends most of his career in a recording booth which, let's be honest, is MUCH easier than onscreen acting because you only need to do the voice. James Earl Jones initially refused to take credit for Darth Vader because he thought David Prowse was doing all of the hard work. There are some voice actors that I have MASSIVE respect for - the late, great Tony Jay AKA Judge Claude Frollo is one of them - but the mannerisms and expressions of the characters rely entirely on animation which means that the actor doesn't need to concern themselves with them. Live action performances rely just as much on expressions and body language as line delivery, and these mannerisms can vary from role to role, but voice acting consists entirely around SOUNDING right, not looking right. To quote Bender, voiced by the legendary John DiMaggio, another voice actor I have huge respect for partially due to his self-awareness; "You can work and be lazy at the same time. It's like being a voice actor."
If you think Jake Sully sucks then, for consistencies sake, you have to say that Luke Skywalker is dogshit.
Another World class video from the GOAT himself, great video Nomz 😂
I'd never considered it a masterpiece but it's a really good movie, almost great but not quite, but the unprovoked hate makes me want to defend it as well. I like this UA-cam genre you've developed on setting the record straight on overhated works of art
The critique of Way of Water that I partially agree with is that people waited 13 years for James Cameron's passionate project to strike their imagination (like his movies in the past) only to get a very simple story about protecting your family streched over 3 hours. Even James Cameron himself openly regretted that he spent so many years making Avatar and he wished to have time to make more movies of different jenres. That being said, that still doesn't make the movie objectively bad.
Just underwhelming compared to earlier James Cameron movies and even the first Avatar.
The Way of Water was split into 2 movies
@@anomalyinc3239 I know, and we have to wait 2 more years for its conclusion.