Ville Tågefelt Unless they have any removal at all. Then they discard your deck, quickly followed by discarding your Fel Reaver and leaving you waaaay behind.
***** Your tempo play failed, they removed your threat cost efficiently, while reducing the total number of cards remaining in your deck, likely discarding something useful. If they had ANY minions in play you're going to probably be in bad shape. People try and make excuse for Fel Reaver by saying "Oh, pretend the cards lost were on the bottom of your deck" etc. which makes sense, but doesn't change the fact that Fel Reaver is shit and discarding that many cards is NOT WORTH IT. There's a reason no one runs Fel Reaver in constructed. Arena is different, but it's still an "all or nothing" play usually.
Clockwork Knight lol no one runs fel reaver in constructed because the cards it would discard synergize very well with the rest of your deck (or are staple cards/staple legendaries). In arena it's a different story, you just put togheter a bunch of cards with minimal synergy and hope for the best. Fel reaver does not matter unless you fatigue since the cards it discarded could have been on the bottom of your deck by sheer RNG alone. people make the "Excuse" you mention because it is the correct way of looking at it.
Merlinose The thing is, getting a chicken is still better than getting nothing. The only time it matters is if you run into fatigue, or if your deck is very dependent on specific minion cards (such as legendaries).... 90% of the time you don't run into fatigue, and thus you don't draw all your cards anyways, so just think of the card that turns into a chicken as a card at the bottom of your deck that you never drew... On the other hand, drawing into a spell is AMAZING. So the card is worthwhile in a deck like this.
I can't believe people are still calling Gnomish Experimenter shit. It's obviously pretty good in a deck with 10 spells/weapons. A third of the time you draw a spell and get a 2 mana minion. That's worth paying one more mana for. Obviously I don't like it as much until I've drawn Ysera (in this particular deck), but usually you don't have a super valuable legendary (and Trump doesn't mind dumping it as seen from the Fel Reaver).
***** I actually think it's not a misplay for exactly the reason you stated. There is no sequence of draws where it actually matters. It certainly goes against conventional play, but it's not right to consider it a misplay here unless there is some sequence of draws that makes it matter.
Playing the card which is harder to play is usually correct. That turn he could afford to play the worse card, so if the opponent does some kind of a crazy board clear, he can then have the better card available when he really needs it. In general using the worse or harder to play cards first is usually better.
BabyConan41 The comments are also hilarious. The more people think they're bad cards the better. Means my opponents will have weaker decks. Admittedly experimenter can be bad with no spells, but in this deck he's pretty good.
Why the heck do people think gnomish experimenter is bad. It's either '3 mana 3/2 draw a 1/1 chicken' or '3 mana 3/2 draw a spell' The first one isn't super amazing but it's still playable, and the second one is outright insane.
blagarty Because people get attached to every card in their deck, and hate to see one "destroyed" by Experimenter. It's completely stupid, and probably the reason they are averaging 50-55% winrate, and Trump's winrate is nearly 72%.
Could you imagine if Gnomish Experimenter worked as such. Draw Minion = 1 mana Chicken 1/1 Draw Spell = Half cost mana on spell Draw Weapon = 0 mana cost on weapon That would make Gnomish crazy.
DWC15 It would literally break the game and almost every deck would run two in constructed and it'll be very, very strong as a late pick in most arena decks. If it doesn't now, it will as more cards are added in...
Skii Mask Fel reaver can be situationally good, experimenter is ALWAYS bad. Fel reaver can be a good finisher or top deck, but potentially polymorphing your own minions for a vague chance at drawing a spell is never worth it.
ExplosionRadius Experimenter is quite good if you draw a non-minion, and sometimes decks have very few minions meaning it's not always. Arena though you kind of depend on minions so you'll probably have quite a few.
Skii Mask Fel Reaver won me a lot of games, people get so focused on that card burn, they play all they have trying to mil you, and don't even try to do anything against your 8/8. Must be on turn 5 though, otherwise it becomes increasingly worst
Skii Mask ikr why do so many people like fel reaver, it premotes milling and gets rid of all your shit omfg why do so many people use it i dont get it.
So by the way, about Gnomish Experimenter in this deck, you have two scenarios, the one where you draw a card or the one where you get a chicken. A chicken is as useful as a spare part, meaning it is 1/3 of a card. A card is worth 1/1 card. Since you get the chicken 2/3 of the time, you can say the average scenario is drawing (2(1/3)+1)/3 which equals 5/9 of a card. When you note that life tap is usually considered the best hero ability in the game and it is essentially 2 mana draw a card, we can say that 2 mana is at least reasonable for a draw a card effect. 3 mana for a 3/2 means that we need to draw at least half a card on average (half of 2 mana is 1 mana) in order to achieve value. Experimenter in this deck does that since 5/9 is greater than 1/2. Therefore, Experimenter is definitely worth in this deck. Time for the hate.
I guess one advantage of Fel Reaver (when you don't fatigue) is knowing which cards won't come up anymore. Much better than not knowing if they're near the top or the bottom of the deck.
shuvo rahman that makes less then no sense, if he knows that is a missplay chances are he is good enough to face people that don't make those mistakes.
In this deck, Gnomish Experimenter has 19 minions to turn into chickens. That is a 65% chance to make a chicken and a 35% chance to not draw a chicken, before doing all that situational match crap based on cards already drawn. Summing up all the 19 minions mana cost, there is a total of 79 mana worth of minions in the deck. Divide that up, that means each minion is worth on average 4.16 mana. So the Gnomish Experimenter in this deck theoretically has a 65% chance to turn a card that on average is worth 4.16 mana into a -1 mana card (because a wisp has the same stats, but does not cost 1 mana). A 65% chance to essentially lose 5.16 mana worth of awesomeness so that you can say, "This is gonna be amazing!" That's why the card is crap. Math doesn't lie, math doesn't have pre-conceived notions, math doesn't care about personal feelings for wanting a certain card to work. Gnomish Experimenter is an over priced 2 drop with a battlecry that math proves is a load of crap that you don't want. Don't play this card, regardless how many times Trump plays it, because its worse than a pile of flaming dog poo. Just to be fair, Trump's 10 spells in this deck averages about 3.1 mana per spell. So the 35% chance of drawing one of them would be roughly worth 3.1 mana, which barely pays for the mana cost of playing this stupid, god damn fuck nugget of a card.
theStonerKid69 But the chicken is drawn from your hand. Technically, when you play this card, even if it turns a minion into a chicken, you are gaining value because you would otherwise not have had that card.
theStonerKid69 This doesn't even make sense. If I valued cards I drew by how much they cost, all my constructed decks would be only 7+ cost minions and spells.
theStonerKid69 this makes no sense because the card is in your hand so you don't even have to play so all you lose is the 1 mana for paying 3 for a 3/2. But if you want to think like that you shouldn't consider the 4,16 average since that was in your deck and would only matter if you went to fatigue. The best you can do is compare the 1 mana loss for playing a 3/2 with the cost of drawing a card. Which is technically 3 mana (Arcane intellect draws you 2 cards but you lose one so it's basically draw 1). So it's 3 mana * 0.35 -1*0.65, which averages at 0.4. Can conclude that in this deck gnomish experimenter is worth 3.4 mana. Ofc it loses some tempo. But can be valued at more than that. Because the 1/1 chicken isnt worth 0 cards. It's still worth something between 0 and 1 card. So you should multiply not by 0.35 but maybe by 0.4~
Gnomish experimentor's text is in fact "Battlecry: Polymorph the minion that made you think your draft was decent. Rumors said it sometimes draws a spell."
To People saying Fel Reaver discarding your deck only matters if you reach fatigue: - Fel Reaver will be the reason YOU reach fatigue (your opponent won't) - A 5 mana 8/8 is usually not even going to be that good, it's like a worse Sea Giant - When it is played the opponent usually has an answer to it - It's really easy to discard your entire deck in 1-2 turns
Despite Fel Reaver working, this is video is actual a great example of why Fel Reaver is a "never pick." Fel Reaver worked for him in the most ideal situation and it still burned his whole deck an led him to fatigue. Trump was insanely lucky that; Fel Reaver put Ysera on top, the mage no polymorph or any common removal cards, and he had stealth part. Trump has a selective memories of Fel Reaver just hitting the mark in the luckiest of situations. Don't pick it
So i bought Blackrock mountain's adventure, but i can't play it because everytime i click on 'buy' it says: Purchase failed because of Parental Control.... Anyone can help me?
StealthOD130 Last time I chose Gnomish Experimenter I went 12-0, the only 12-0 I've ever gotten nonetheless. 4 of the wins were from Gnomish drawing me a Fireball to finish off the opponent. To be fair, I had 4 Fireballs and 2 Blizzards, but that still only put me at 6 spells, Trumps deck here has 4 more than mine did; the logic is sound.
The only way Gnomish inventor is bad is if you go into fatigue. The reason for this is that any card you draw that turns into a chicken can be thought of as being at the very bottom of the deck. In this deck you had a 1/3ish of it being one of the best neutral drawing mechanics in the game, or it has a 2/3 of it, technically, not making a difference. The only reason why it is bad if it misses is because of the body and not turning something into a chicken.
Which it was and was a clear pick in my eyes. Yes, 3/2 for 3 is bad, but 3/3 for isn't far off that and he picked Tinkertown tech without batting an eyelid. It has the potential to be a 4/4 for 3, yes, but gnomish has the potential to be a 3/2 and draw a card, which would be, as he puts it, amaaaaaaaazing.
He said he'd have a better chance if he played hungry dragon and got zombie chow... thing is, if he did that he could have given the enemy a leper gnome, and then expose himself to a potential frost bolt as well.
www.hearthpwn.com/decks/214743-dragodin-dragon-ramp-control-paladin Not all cards are required but I would say shielded minibot and mustard are ESSENTIAL, just for the early game trades and for synergies (I suggest reading the creators tips)
i don't get how a 3 mana 3/2 with a p bad setback if you don't draw a spell is worth picking. drawing a card isn't that worth it, don't get the constant pickup of that card
Julie Lindon the drawback isn't a setback, but a free chicken. losing cards from your deck is nearly always irrelevant, becuase fatigue is extremely rare in arena, but a free chicken is worth 1 stat off a 3/3, which is ok in arena. and of course, if you draw a spell, the card is amazing
Hey Trump, you may not read this, but I'll ask anyway. If the other commenters have input, that would be nice too. I want to play some games on my hunter, my lowest level class, but I hate the idea of playing face-hunter! I feel so awful getting wins that way. I've tried beast hunter, and that's about 75% as good, only because it has a lot of face-hunter cards. I've tried control hunter with a bunch of legendaries and that deck isn't even half as good as face-hunter! (Edit: Also, control hunter seems to use very few hunter cards. I might as well be playing a different class!) Please Trump, let me know a "pretty good" hunter deck that I don't have to taint my soul to play!
Arm4g3dd0nX What is your collection like? I've been messing around with a feign death-based midrange hunter (actual midrange, not the "aggro hunter that has two slower cards so we'll call it midrange" netdeck) this week that has been working out fairly well. The biggest hurdle for non-aggro hunters to overcome is figuring out how to actually make use of the hero power, it's great for late-game pressure but pretty useless otherwise. They do have some really great value cards though (highmane, explosive shot, webspinner, the weapons, feign death with things like sylvanas and shredders, animal companion, sniper, etc) so if you can get a solid base of neutrals going it isn't too difficult to make a functional deck out of the class.
The Message's Movies I have most of the cards in the game... and I crafted Sylvanis, Ragnaros, and The Black Knight. I got Dr. Boom from a card pack. I have one Savannah Highmane, one Steamweedle Sniper, one Feign Death, and no Piloted Sky Golems. (I prefered to craft legendary cards as they are a lot less likely from card packs.) If getting those 5 cards would make all the difference, I guess I can start saving up. Thought I also have my eye on Tirion or one of the warlock legendaries... or maybe even Bloodmage Thalnos. I DO have all the weapons, explosive shots, piloted shredders. Edit: Maybe the main thing is just getting the second feign death first.
Arm4g3dd0nX You probably have enough to start messing around with it. The second feign death is fairly important (2 mana summon a 4/4, a random 2-drop and steal a minion is pretty crazy) but everything else looks to be in place. I wouldn't really cram that many expensive cards into the deck either, just a few key big dudes and then mostly really solid 3-5s. An old version of the deck ran both sky golems and lions but the current on just uses the lions and seems to work a lot better, consistency in the early game is more important than a massive late game especially when your hero power is that useless early on.
What he's got during streams is only the decklist, it doesn't display which cards have been drawn, it's only a screenshot of the list put at the left of the monitor
So on the rare occasions I play arena, I pretty consistently lose _at least_ 2 games per arena to mages, through either my own misplays or the mage having a better deck / just being better than me. Can someone tell me why I never face opponents like Trump's? I might be blowing things a little out of proportion here, but it feels like a lot of the time Trump's situations only happen to him because he's against fairly bad players. (Note, not at all saying I'm amazing at the game, I only play casually and for fun but I'm not horrible either.)
I think the Fel Reaver and the Experimenter are not ggod cards, at least not in that arena because Trump had a lot of quality cards that he doesnt really want to lose.
oachaaaaaaaa Fel Reaver and Experimenter don't affect his chance of getting a given card. Unless he goes into fatigue, he still draws the same number of cards from his deck in the end.
And there are some really quality cards in the middle of his deck which the experimenter helps him to get. This is simple probabalistic mathematics people! As long as he does not fatigue none of those cards have any effect on the game.
Oh look, time to wade through countless complaints about Fel Reaver/Gnomish Experimenter that ignore all game mechanics that are not visually apparent.
I fail to see how Arcane Intellect is a good card. It's basically spend 3 mana draw an extra card because it takes up a card slot itself (which doesn't sound good to me). Is it only for late game when you're starved for cards or something? I don't get it. I see the value in creatures like Loot Hoarder or Azure Drake because you actually get something else out of it. Having synergy with "play a spell" effect is much harder to combo so using Arcane Intellect feels like a bad play every time. Anyone explain? TLDR: Why is Arcane Intellect considered a good card?
feardisXx Well, you usually use it to cycle towards your better cards in the late game. As you already stated, you basically spend 3 mana to draw 2 cards in 1 turn. It can also be useful in mid-game when you emptied your hand and need to refill. So it's not really a good card like Yeti, which you should almost always pick, or Frostbolts, Fireballs etc., but it offers some utility.
feardisXx In the simplest terms I can put it, a major part of card games is card advantage, you want your cards to do more per card than your opponent's cards. for example, every time you play a snowchugga and your opponent kills it with frostbolt or shadow word pain or something along those lines, that is a 1 for 1, meaning you traded your one card for one of their cards. The reason arcane intellect is good is that it is always a 2 for 1, because you are always trading one card for two cards, if you can get into a position to cast all of them, then you will naturally be a card up on your opponent, and that can help you win games, because if we are consistently trading one card for one card back and forth with each other, and at some point in the game i draw two cards with an Arcane intellect, then I will be the one with a card left when the dust settles. Arcane intellect is much better in constructed than in arena though, because the other major part of card games is tempo, which is essentially how quickly you can play all of your cards, and you lose a lot of tempo with arcane intellect because you don't get to play the cards you draw right away and it costs you mana, but in any game where you do get to play all of your cards, then your arcane intellect will have put you up in card advantage, and that means it was great. Also, if you are playing some kind of deck that hinges on drawing specific cards for a combo, you would want your deck to be as small as possible so that you could draw your combo pieces as often as possible. Because we have to play with 30 card decks, Arcane intellect is useful because it helps you draw through your deck to the specific cards you are looking for, and does its best to "shrink" the overall size of your deck by simply cycling through it faster than your opponents can. I Hope this helps.
I really don't understand trumps views on Fel Reaver. I understand that you dont technically lose the cards, since you never had them, but is the rare chance that your opponent doesnt have removal / small cards where Fel Reaver thrives worth it ?. Assuming it survives 3 turns and the opponent has small ish cards.(2,3,4) and coin u easily lose about 15 cards(Optimistic situation). Is it really possible to win a game after that?.
Ray Carter I had a game where my opponent had 2 spare parts and the coin, and wasted all of his stuff just to burn my deck.He burned my deck in two turns, and then died 2 turns after that. You play it when you're ready to kill your opponent in a few turns. Yes, it can backfire, but a lot of the time they can't stop the offense and you win (if you do it correctly). Also, in really crappy decks, this card can bail you out with this strategy. I remember a really crappy Warrior deck I had once where I played this recklessly on turn 5 and facelessed it on turn 6. Killed my opponent a few turns after that play.
agreed, but from what i've seen a lot of times trump plays it just to play on curve. That kind seems like a bad choice, wouldnt you say ? (Not saying i know, i'm just wondering)
Sometimes you have no other play than it on curve, and if you're playing it on an empty board that might be too much pressure already. You have to be quite manly to just play it on curve though. Often that is a mistake.
Just watch the fricking video, he won all the games he had fel reaver, it is a good card. Don't skip school and just try to learn simple mathematics about probabality.
naruto00nix Probably to take less damage on Ysera Since if he didn't kill the 3/2 Trogg before using the banana it would turn into a 5/2 because the banana is a spell
ryanhawkrider I've made 12 wins because of that stupid goddamn chicken card. Sure, sometimes it would put me behind slightly due to the lack of stats, but the times I drew a spell put me ludicrously far ahead of my opponent. Plus the downside of the chicken only exists if you draw a late game card or hit fatigue. With GvG making the arena meta faster and Blackrock being aimed more at making constructed slower and not really slowing down arena, neither of those things should be likely.
Hang Nail With the experimenter though the chicken costs one mana meaning it's slightly better than a 4 mana 3/2 summon a 1/1 which is atrocious. Then most of the time arena decks have mostly minions, some good arena decks might even end up with all minions in which case gnomish experimenter is consistantly terrible. In this deck it's alright. I don't like Fel Reaver either because a lot of people don't seem to get that "it doesn't matter unless you get to fatigue" thing is a lot less valid than normal because fel reavers can easily discard 15 cards meaning if it's turn 12 you're at fatigue already.
Hang Nail I'm saying that a lot of people say fel reaver only matters if you reach fatigue which almost never happens, except that when fel reaver discards 15 cards then suddnely you get to fatigue very quickly and a 5 mana 8/8 isn't game winningly good. Then if you look at razorfen hunter, it's generally an eh card in arena, gnomish experimenter will most of the time be increasing that mana cost by one, and swapping 2/3 for 3/2. The extra minion to put a buff on I really don't see as a big deal, as the only class that really has decent buffs is paladin who can summon 1/1's anyway. As for the combos, playing a gnomish experimenter uses a card from your hand, then draws you a chicken, resulting in a net gain of 0 cards, meaning it's useless for mountain giant or other card number based combo, and of course you can't rely on getting combos in arena anyway.
Random question, anyone feel free to answer. Why the fuck would anyone play shaman? Most of their summons are useless, except for the 0-2 taunt, but it's just an annoyance since it has no attack. If you want an ability to summon units the Paladin gives you a 1-1 which is much more useful than an 0-2... Is there any advantage to the game for playing shaman like Warlock for getting a card advantage?
Gage Wileman Buffs and creative accounting. Use flametongue or dire wolf on one side of the totem group and you can make massive trades at little to no cost. Clutch Healing/Taunt totems keeping minions alive also helps.
Gage Wileman All the totems except the 1/1 can be better than any of the other hero powers by far in the right situations. The problem is the randomness. The healing totem is better than the priest's hero power if you have multiple damaged minions as it heals every turn and heals multiple minions. The spellpower totem is like the mage's hero power when combined with a spell, and is better when casting multiple spells or AOE. The 1/1 is a bit boring and is most of the time the worst one. The taunt can effectively heal you for as much as the enemy's lowest damage amount when you're trying to save yourself from losing. Also flametongue/bloodlust can be used to great effects on a full team of four totems. Also of course there's far more to a class than just their hero power. If that was true then warlock would be incredibly overpowered, but instead a lot of warlock class cards are intentionally bad balancing it out.
Gage Wileman Shaman has the best common 6 drop in the game (Fire Elemental) and the best common 4 drop in the game (Fireguard Destroyer). Along with that, he has a really unique playstyle of filling the board up with totems and then trading them off with Flametongue Totem and/or bursting lots of damage with Bloodlust. He's got some really strong weapons and some really nice spells. Shaman is quite good in arena. The only real problems I have with him is his lack of decent card draw and the RNG element of his hero power and several of his cards (Crackle, Storm, Destroyer), where the RNG can REALLY matter. I imagine as more expansions come out, the theme of Shaman and RNG will become even further pronounced, which is a design choice I dislike.
Fel Reaver: "They discard your deck, you discard their face".
Ville Tågefelt
Unless they have any removal at all. Then they discard your deck, quickly followed by discarding your Fel Reaver and leaving you waaaay behind.
Clockwork Knight destroying cards that aren't in your hand does not leave you behind.
*****
Your tempo play failed, they removed your threat cost efficiently, while reducing the total number of cards remaining in your deck, likely discarding something useful. If they had ANY minions in play you're going to probably be in bad shape.
People try and make excuse for Fel Reaver by saying "Oh, pretend the cards lost were on the bottom of your deck" etc. which makes sense, but doesn't change the fact that Fel Reaver is shit and discarding that many cards is NOT WORTH IT.
There's a reason no one runs Fel Reaver in constructed.
Arena is different, but it's still an "all or nothing" play usually.
Clockwork Knight lol no one runs fel reaver in constructed because the cards it would discard synergize very well with the rest of your deck (or are staple cards/staple legendaries). In arena it's a different story, you just put togheter a bunch of cards with minimal synergy and hope for the best. Fel reaver does not matter unless you fatigue since the cards it discarded could have been on the bottom of your deck by sheer RNG alone.
people make the "Excuse" you mention because it is the correct way of looking at it.
pablovirus Except a deck reached legend one containg fel rever recently
"Ogre fireblast chicken banana."
-Trump 2k15
NikiliteGamer What's funny to me is it all sounded normal until he said banana.
They should do legendary spells
clement masse no?
clement masse kripp did a video on his ideas of that
Reshad Osman There have also been about a hundred or so reddit posts on it too.
clement masse twisting nether is pretty legendary imo
clement masse i would be happy but unhappy if they did that
The fans two favorite minions; united at last. This is going to be fellmazing!
***** Experimenter is fine, but Fel Reaver is meh.
twinblade273 Experimenter is shit.
TheFireflyGrave its just leet strats. the gnomish is a hard counter to drawing fel
TheFireflyGrave Glad to see you are still the true voice of the people, my good sir.
***** Kind of both actually. I like cards that hurt my own deck. For every ten fails, It makes the one time it actually works really sweet.
1/3 of his deck were spells, people. Ten out of 30. Gnomish Experimenter found a suitable space of his own.
Jay Well means he still has 19 cards to chicken and in my guess 19 is higher than 10.
Merlinose The thing is, getting a chicken is still better than getting nothing. The only time it matters is if you run into fatigue, or if your deck is very dependent on specific minion cards (such as legendaries).... 90% of the time you don't run into fatigue, and thus you don't draw all your cards anyways, so just think of the card that turns into a chicken as a card at the bottom of your deck that you never drew... On the other hand, drawing into a spell is AMAZING. So the card is worthwhile in a deck like this.
I can't believe people are still calling Gnomish Experimenter shit. It's obviously pretty good in a deck with 10 spells/weapons. A third of the time you draw a spell and get a 2 mana minion. That's worth paying one more mana for. Obviously I don't like it as much until I've drawn Ysera (in this particular deck), but usually you don't have a super valuable legendary (and Trump doesn't mind dumping it as seen from the Fel Reaver).
Experimenter sucks, badly. To be viable he should give a discount if you draw spell or cost 2 mana.
UndeadALK no, youre dumb
"Ogre. Fireblast. Chicken. Banana." This sounds like the world's most convoluted Password game.
35:43 did he really just play Venture Co. Over the emerald drake that had the same stats without the downside???
***** trump, I've found out --- gets very tunneled vision against "cards" generated by other cards...
***** I actually think it's not a misplay for exactly the reason you stated. There is no sequence of draws where it actually matters. It certainly goes against conventional play, but it's not right to consider it a misplay here unless there is some sequence of draws that makes it matter.
Playing the card which is harder to play is usually correct. That turn he could afford to play the worse card, so if the opponent does some kind of a crazy board clear, he can then have the better card available when he really needs it. In general using the worse or harder to play cards first is usually better.
***** I think its also the better play against deathwing, because of possible Healbot and Emerald Drake as a follow up.
Its not a missplay because he could afford the drawback in that moment, but he may not be able to afford the drawback if the board gets cleared.
always keep picking fell reaver and gnomish experimenter. They make these videos fun to watch
BabyConan41 The comments are also hilarious. The more people think they're bad cards the better. Means my opponents will have weaker decks.
Admittedly experimenter can be bad with no spells, but in this deck he's pretty good.
Wait, an Arena video?
Experimenter, you were right all along! This IS amazing!
:p
Why the heck do people think gnomish experimenter is bad.
It's either '3 mana 3/2 draw a 1/1 chicken' or '3 mana 3/2 draw a spell'
The first one isn't super amazing but it's still playable, and the second one is outright insane.
They ain't got the balls for it, like fell reaver.
blagarty Because people simply can't wrap their minds around the implications of having a randomized deck.
blagarty Because you also lose a minion for that 1/1 chicken so it's not quite as simple as you're trying to make it.
blagarty hm i never thought about it like that. Though i never really disliked the card to begin with
blagarty Because people get attached to every card in their deck, and hate to see one "destroyed" by Experimenter. It's completely stupid, and probably the reason they are averaging 50-55% winrate, and Trump's winrate is nearly 72%.
Could you imagine if Gnomish Experimenter worked as such.
Draw Minion = 1 mana Chicken 1/1
Draw Spell = Half cost mana on spell
Draw Weapon = 0 mana cost on weapon
That would make Gnomish crazy.
DWC15 It would literally break the game and almost every deck would run two in constructed and it'll be very, very strong as a late pick in most arena decks. If it doesn't now, it will as more cards are added in...
DWC15 That would make Gnomish AMAAAAZING
fel reaver and gnomish experimenter... fuck both of those cards, as i said in previous videos, i will never agree on these two picks. never.
Skii Mask Fel reaver can be situationally good, experimenter is ALWAYS bad. Fel reaver can be a good finisher or top deck, but potentially polymorphing your own minions for a vague chance at drawing a spell is never worth it.
Skii Mask Amen
ExplosionRadius Experimenter is quite good if you draw a non-minion, and sometimes decks have very few minions meaning it's not always. Arena though you kind of depend on minions so you'll probably have quite a few.
Skii Mask Fel Reaver won me a lot of games, people get so focused on that card burn, they play all they have trying to mil you, and don't even try to do anything against your 8/8.
Must be on turn 5 though, otherwise it becomes increasingly worst
Skii Mask ikr why do so many people like fel reaver, it premotes milling and gets rid of all your shit omfg why do so many people use it i dont get it.
So by the way, about Gnomish Experimenter in this deck, you have two scenarios, the one where you draw a card or the one where you get a chicken. A chicken is as useful as a spare part, meaning it is 1/3 of a card. A card is worth 1/1 card. Since you get the chicken 2/3 of the time, you can say the average scenario is drawing (2(1/3)+1)/3 which equals 5/9 of a card. When you note that life tap is usually considered the best hero ability in the game and it is essentially 2 mana draw a card, we can say that 2 mana is at least reasonable for a draw a card effect. 3 mana for a 3/2 means that we need to draw at least half a card on average (half of 2 mana is 1 mana) in order to achieve value. Experimenter in this deck does that since 5/9 is greater than 1/2. Therefore, Experimenter is definitely worth in this deck. Time for the hate.
first 3 opponents hunters.... where are they when I play?!?!
Whenever I play I get Mage, Mage, Paladin, Mage, Mage.
Missed golden opportunity for a pun title. This is going to be aMAGEing
I guess one advantage of Fel Reaver (when you don't fatigue) is knowing which cards won't come up anymore. Much better than not knowing if they're near the top or the bottom of the deck.
Why won't I ever face players like this? Coin -> heroability on Hunter? Quickshot face with full hand? The fuck...
Because you are one of them
shuvo rahman that makes less then no sense, if he knows that is a missplay chances are he is good enough to face people that don't make those mistakes.
A good player would never ask for noob opponents to face
shuvo rahman kripp would. Kappa
shuvo rahman Why not? Easy wins = more rewards. Or are you one of those guys who claims he goes 10+ wins on average in Arena? :')
I just started playing Hearthstone and it helps a lot to watch your videos!
In this deck, Gnomish Experimenter has 19 minions to turn into chickens. That is a 65% chance to make a chicken and a 35% chance to not draw a chicken, before doing all that situational match crap based on cards already drawn.
Summing up all the 19 minions mana cost, there is a total of 79 mana worth of minions in the deck. Divide that up, that means each minion is worth on average 4.16 mana.
So the Gnomish Experimenter in this deck theoretically has a 65% chance to turn a card that on average is worth 4.16 mana into a -1 mana card (because a wisp has the same stats, but does not cost 1 mana). A 65% chance to essentially lose 5.16 mana worth of awesomeness so that you can say, "This is gonna be amazing!"
That's why the card is crap. Math doesn't lie, math doesn't have pre-conceived notions, math doesn't care about personal feelings for wanting a certain card to work. Gnomish Experimenter is an over priced 2 drop with a battlecry that math proves is a load of crap that you don't want. Don't play this card, regardless how many times Trump plays it, because its worse than a pile of flaming dog poo. Just to be fair, Trump's 10 spells in this deck averages about 3.1 mana per spell. So the 35% chance of drawing one of them would be roughly worth 3.1 mana, which barely pays for the mana cost of playing this stupid, god damn fuck nugget of a card.
theStonerKid69
But the chicken is drawn from your hand. Technically, when you play this card, even if it turns a minion into a chicken, you are gaining value because you would otherwise not have had that card.
theStonerKid69 This doesn't even make sense. If I valued cards I drew by how much they cost, all my constructed decks would be only 7+ cost minions and spells.
theStonerKid69 this makes no sense because the card is in your hand so you don't even have to play so all you lose is the 1 mana for paying 3 for a 3/2.
But if you want to think like that you shouldn't consider the 4,16 average since that was in your deck and would only matter if you went to fatigue.
The best you can do is compare the 1 mana loss for playing a 3/2 with the cost of drawing a card. Which is technically 3 mana (Arcane intellect draws you 2 cards but you lose one so it's basically draw 1). So it's 3 mana * 0.35 -1*0.65, which averages at 0.4.
Can conclude that in this deck gnomish experimenter is worth 3.4 mana. Ofc it loses some tempo. But can be valued at more than that. Because the 1/1 chicken isnt worth 0 cards. It's still worth something between 0 and 1 card. So you should multiply not by 0.35 but maybe by 0.4~
***** Truly living up to his account name.
I love when trump says the title of the video in the video. its like when an actor says the name of the movie your watching
New arena meta, hunters are taking over
Taking over the under three wins portion of arena anyways.
That would be the day when they remove all aoe from all the class
Gnomish experimentor's text is in fact "Battlecry: Polymorph the minion that made you think your draft was decent. Rumors said it sometimes draws a spell."
To People saying Fel Reaver discarding your deck only matters if you reach fatigue:
- Fel Reaver will be the reason YOU reach fatigue (your opponent won't)
- A 5 mana 8/8 is usually not even going to be that good, it's like a worse Sea Giant
- When it is played the opponent usually has an answer to it
- It's really easy to discard your entire deck in 1-2 turns
FINALLY SOME ARENA! missed this :)
Fel reaver is a good card you just need to use it right.
"This is going to be amAAAAAAAAZING..."
"... for your opponent."
Gnomish inventor into turning Fel reaver into a chicken to prevent u from playing fel reaver. #value
At 35:06 he could have possible dodged fireball by playing Hungry Dragon and hoping for it to summon a Zombie Chow which would give him +5Hp
Derp game 1 face hunter lol
Experimenter ANNNDDD fel reaver!! Oh man can't wait!
I like Gnomish Experimenter because of his synergy with Emperor Thaurissan -> 3 mana + draw a card or 0-1-1 chicken.
I'm happy that Fel Reaver is epic. This way, people can't pick it that often and destroy their runs with it.
That first match is like Superman vs Batman.
That fireball top deck
Despite Fel Reaver working, this is video is actual a great example of why Fel Reaver is a "never pick." Fel Reaver worked for him in the most ideal situation and it still burned his whole deck an led him to fatigue. Trump was insanely lucky that; Fel Reaver put Ysera on top, the mage no polymorph or any common removal cards, and he had stealth part. Trump has a selective memories of Fel Reaver just hitting the mark in the luckiest of situations. Don't pick it
Discard my whole deck? Whoops, i just discarded your face!
hallo Trump can i please ask you where can i get same deck tracker like you? thx
Filip -Itz-xkore_- Nowhere... it is trumps editor who puts it there
I am 100% convinced, of that you pick Experimenter and Fel Reaver ; just due to the controversy.
3:20 i think you should have taken the antique healbot. But that's my opinion...
"It looks like I might be slow" -Trump 2015
Best thing you can get with Hungry Drake: Flame Imp
So i bought Blackrock mountain's adventure, but i can't play it because everytime i click on 'buy' it says: Purchase failed because of Parental Control....
Anyone can help me?
wow i havent watched trump play for like 3 months, he plays way different now.
I like how wrong he is about Ysera getting destroyed.
Please, just stop picking gnomish experimenter. It is almost always bad whenever you play it.
StealthOD130 Last time I chose Gnomish Experimenter I went 12-0, the only 12-0 I've ever gotten nonetheless. 4 of the wins were from Gnomish drawing me a Fireball to finish off the opponent. To be fair, I had 4 Fireballs and 2 Blizzards, but that still only put me at 6 spells, Trumps deck here has 4 more than mine did; the logic is sound.
Ares Reel if 4 wins were from topdecked fireball, that's your RNG, not the card being good.
The only way Gnomish inventor is bad is if you go into fatigue. The reason for this is that any card you draw that turns into a chicken can be thought of as being at the very bottom of the deck. In this deck you had a 1/3ish of it being one of the best neutral drawing mechanics in the game, or it has a 2/3 of it, technically, not making a difference. The only reason why it is bad if it misses is because of the body and not turning something into a chicken.
3/2 for 3 is still bad, even when it doesn't turn a good minion into a chicken. It's not worth a pick in arena, useless against total garbage.
Which it was and was a clear pick in my eyes. Yes, 3/2 for 3 is bad, but 3/3 for isn't far off that and he picked Tinkertown tech without batting an eyelid. It has the potential to be a 4/4 for 3, yes, but gnomish has the potential to be a 3/2 and draw a card, which would be, as he puts it, amaaaaaaaazing.
Did anyone else hear 'destruction begins' when the violet teacher came out game two I think?
Ogre, Fireblast, Chicken, Banana.
If BGH is played the turn after Fel Reaver, does Fel Reaver's effect still occur or is it destroyed?
I think yes, because you play the card and the battlecry comes next.. But idk
Corvo A Fel Reaver triggers very early, before Battlecries or spell effects, so yes you will discard 3 cards from whatever card kills it.
He said he'd have a better chance if he played hungry dragon and got zombie chow... thing is, if he did that he could have given the enemy a leper gnome, and then expose himself to a potential frost bolt as well.
I once played against a priest with two dr. Booms and a vol'jin. In arena. I didnt play arena for a week after that.
even in arena it's pleasing to see hunters get destroyed
I think gnomish inventor should get a buff, and turn a minion into an angry chicken instead of a normal one ^^
Gnomish Experimenter is like only good with the Malygos Shaman OTK
can someone tell me what the deck thing beside his his game i want it plz
"2 ways for Ysera to get got" - Trump 2015
It's 3 AM in the Netherlands right now. I have absolutely no life.
I feel like trump secretly hates the card but picks it to troll people and start a war...
World trump 1?
Fireball... I was once against a Mage who played 4 fireballs before turn 10, I just lost
This is going to be AMAZIGNG! 36:01
Disaster....
eh, Fel Reaver aint so bad.
I mean i'm rank 23 and my highest arena run is 4 but it always seems like such a solid pick for me.
Hey Trump Could you please make a vid for a constructed Paladin Dragon deck?? thanks man
There's already a really good control dragon pally online, I'm playing it and it has some really good synergies (drakes&sygil+muster=op)
Neil Evans Could you link me bro?
www.hearthpwn.com/decks/214743-dragodin-dragon-ramp-control-paladin
Not all cards are required but I would say shielded minibot and mustard are ESSENTIAL, just for the early game trades and for synergies (I suggest reading the creators tips)
Neil Evans don't forget ketchup
24:30 lol, dat ysera almost got burned.
"Ogre fireblast chicken banana" That's such an ogre thing to say
i don't get how a 3 mana 3/2 with a p bad setback if you don't draw a spell is worth picking. drawing a card isn't that worth it, don't get the constant pickup of that card
Julie Lindon the drawback isn't a setback, but a free chicken. losing cards from your deck is nearly always irrelevant, becuase fatigue is extremely rare in arena, but a free chicken is worth 1 stat off a 3/3, which is ok in arena. and of course, if you draw a spell, the card is amazing
Hey Trump, you may not read this, but I'll ask anyway. If the other commenters have input, that would be nice too.
I want to play some games on my hunter, my lowest level class, but I hate the idea of playing face-hunter! I feel so awful getting wins that way. I've tried beast hunter, and that's about 75% as good, only because it has a lot of face-hunter cards. I've tried control hunter with a bunch of legendaries and that deck isn't even half as good as face-hunter! (Edit: Also, control hunter seems to use very few hunter cards. I might as well be playing a different class!)
Please Trump, let me know a "pretty good" hunter deck that I don't have to taint my soul to play!
Arm4g3dd0nX Mid-range Hunter?
Arm4g3dd0nX What is your collection like? I've been messing around with a feign death-based midrange hunter (actual midrange, not the "aggro hunter that has two slower cards so we'll call it midrange" netdeck) this week that has been working out fairly well. The biggest hurdle for non-aggro hunters to overcome is figuring out how to actually make use of the hero power, it's great for late-game pressure but pretty useless otherwise. They do have some really great value cards though (highmane, explosive shot, webspinner, the weapons, feign death with things like sylvanas and shredders, animal companion, sniper, etc) so if you can get a solid base of neutrals going it isn't too difficult to make a functional deck out of the class.
The Message's Movies I have most of the cards in the game... and I crafted Sylvanis, Ragnaros, and The Black Knight. I got Dr. Boom from a card pack.
I have one Savannah Highmane, one Steamweedle Sniper, one Feign Death, and no Piloted Sky Golems. (I prefered to craft legendary cards as they are a lot less likely from card packs.) If getting those 5 cards would make all the difference, I guess I can start saving up. Thought I also have my eye on Tirion or one of the warlock legendaries... or maybe even Bloodmage Thalnos.
I DO have all the weapons, explosive shots, piloted shredders.
Edit: Maybe the main thing is just getting the second feign death first.
Arm4g3dd0nX
You probably have enough to start messing around with it. The second feign death is fairly important (2 mana summon a 4/4, a random 2-drop and steal a minion is pretty crazy) but everything else looks to be in place. I wouldn't really cram that many expensive cards into the deck either, just a few key big dudes and then mostly really solid 3-5s. An old version of the deck ran both sky golems and lions but the current on just uses the lions and seems to work a lot better, consistency in the early game is more important than a massive late game especially when your hero power is that useless early on.
Let the nerd rage flow through you!!
Fell Reaver doesn't mill you? I thought that when that Kzan Mystic was played trump was in for 6 damage.
What does trump use to get those cards to show up on his left
Darkness Maxrocko It's edited afterwards :s
no he has one of them during streams
What he's got during streams is only the decklist, it doesn't display which cards have been drawn, it's only a screenshot of the list put at the left of the monitor
So on the rare occasions I play arena, I pretty consistently lose _at least_ 2 games per arena to mages, through either my own misplays or the mage having a better deck / just being better than me.
Can someone tell me why I never face opponents like Trump's? I might be blowing things a little out of proportion here, but it feels like a lot of the time Trump's situations only happen to him because he's against fairly bad players. (Note, not at all saying I'm amazing at the game, I only play casually and for fun but I'm not horrible either.)
I think the Fel Reaver and the Experimenter are not ggod cards, at least not in that arena because Trump had a lot of quality cards that he doesnt really want to lose.
oachaaaaaaaa Fel Reaver and Experimenter don't affect his chance of getting a given card. Unless he goes into fatigue, he still draws the same number of cards from his deck in the end.
Clowndoe sure but he has some good quality cards he does not want to lose and with Fel Reaver you coud very well go fatigue
And there are some really quality cards in the middle of his deck which the experimenter helps him to get. This is simple probabalistic mathematics people! As long as he does not fatigue none of those cards have any effect on the game.
Please make more hearthstone arena videos trump D:
Oh look, time to wade through countless complaints about Fel Reaver/Gnomish Experimenter that ignore all game mechanics that are not visually apparent.
I fail to see how Arcane Intellect is a good card. It's basically spend 3 mana draw an extra card because it takes up a card slot itself (which doesn't sound good to me). Is it only for late game when you're starved for cards or something? I don't get it. I see the value in creatures like Loot Hoarder or Azure Drake because you actually get something else out of it. Having synergy with "play a spell" effect is much harder to combo so using Arcane Intellect feels like a bad play every time. Anyone explain?
TLDR: Why is Arcane Intellect considered a good card?
feardisXx Well, you usually use it to cycle towards your better cards in the late game. As you already stated, you basically spend 3 mana to draw 2 cards in 1 turn. It can also be useful in mid-game when you emptied your hand and need to refill. So it's not really a good card like Yeti, which you should almost always pick, or Frostbolts, Fireballs etc., but it offers some utility.
feardisXx In the simplest terms I can put it, a major part of card games is card advantage, you want your cards to do more per card than your opponent's cards. for example, every time you play a snowchugga and your opponent kills it with frostbolt or shadow word pain or something along those lines, that is a 1 for 1, meaning you traded your one card for one of their cards. The reason arcane intellect is good is that it is always a 2 for 1, because you are always trading one card for two cards, if you can get into a position to cast all of them, then you will naturally be a card up on your opponent, and that can help you win games, because if we are consistently trading one card for one card back and forth with each other, and at some point in the game i draw two cards with an Arcane intellect, then I will be the one with a card left when the dust settles. Arcane intellect is much better in constructed than in arena though, because the other major part of card games is tempo, which is essentially how quickly you can play all of your cards, and you lose a lot of tempo with arcane intellect because you don't get to play the cards you draw right away and it costs you mana, but in any game where you do get to play all of your cards, then your arcane intellect will have put you up in card advantage, and that means it was great. Also, if you are playing some kind of deck that hinges on drawing specific cards for a combo, you would want your deck to be as small as possible so that you could draw your combo pieces as often as possible. Because we have to play with 30 card decks, Arcane intellect is useful because it helps you draw through your deck to the specific cards you are looking for, and does its best to "shrink" the overall size of your deck by simply cycling through it faster than your opponents can. I Hope this helps.
it is now 01:34...
I think this is the first arena thumbnail that doesnt feature the hero
the tier list LITERALLY doesnt have the goblins v gnomes cards wtf
Wait, where is Amaz?
This is going the be AMAZing *Kappa*
in which trump kicks all the haters to the curb.
Remember that time when he turned his gruul into a chicken?
25:24 you missed lethal.
7:40 Hunter smart! Hunter hit face!
I really don't understand trumps views on Fel Reaver. I understand that you dont technically lose the cards, since you never had them, but is the rare chance that your opponent doesnt have removal / small cards where Fel Reaver thrives worth it ?. Assuming it survives 3 turns and the opponent has small ish cards.(2,3,4) and coin u easily lose about 15 cards(Optimistic situation). Is it really possible to win a game after that?.
Ray Carter I had a game where my opponent had 2 spare parts and the coin, and wasted all of his stuff just to burn my deck.He burned my deck in two turns, and then died 2 turns after that. You play it when you're ready to kill your opponent in a few turns. Yes, it can backfire, but a lot of the time they can't stop the offense and you win (if you do it correctly).
Also, in really crappy decks, this card can bail you out with this strategy. I remember a really crappy Warrior deck I had once where I played this recklessly on turn 5 and facelessed it on turn 6. Killed my opponent a few turns after that play.
agreed, but from what i've seen a lot of times trump plays it just to play on curve. That kind seems like a bad choice, wouldnt you say ? (Not saying i know, i'm just wondering)
Sometimes you have no other play than it on curve, and if you're playing it on an empty board that might be too much pressure already. You have to be quite manly to just play it on curve though. Often that is a mistake.
Just watch the fricking video, he won all the games he had fel reaver, it is a good card. Don't skip school and just try to learn simple mathematics about probabality.
Let's hope that Experimenter will kill Reaver, sinergy baby!
Why did Trump put gullible at the end of his description
11:12 missed 1/9 of lethal
17:13
See Trump? Being aggressive works.
Also, F Fel Reaver and Experimenter.
33:20 if he uses a banana on ysera why not clear out the mukla? that way the opponent wouldnt get to kill his laughing sister for free
naruto00nix or well, the way it went down, prevent more incoming damage to his face
naruto00nix Probably to take less damage on Ysera
Since if he didn't kill the 3/2 Trogg before using the banana it would turn into a 5/2 because the banana is a spell
Jo Viljar Haugstulen ah true, didnt think of that :)
this is how you get got
*about to look at comments.*
This is going to be amazing!
i just realized
amazing= AMAZ,ing
hunters galorei! They probably think arena is as cancer as constructed...
So many Arcane missles tho :O
trump learned to face! this is amazing!
Oh no, not this card again... I refuse to use it, and disenchant every copy I've ever gotten.
good play
I'll never understand your appeal of that stupid goddamn chicken card.
ryanhawkrider I've made 12 wins because of that stupid goddamn chicken card. Sure, sometimes it would put me behind slightly due to the lack of stats, but the times I drew a spell put me ludicrously far ahead of my opponent. Plus the downside of the chicken only exists if you draw a late game card or hit fatigue. With GvG making the arena meta faster and Blackrock being aimed more at making constructed slower and not really slowing down arena, neither of those things should be likely.
I tried to explain experimenter on another comment but Hang Nail did a much better job. As for Fel I cant agree throwing away your entire deck.
ryanhawkrider He's a pro player, it's not about appeal, it's about the value.
Hang Nail With the experimenter though the chicken costs one mana meaning it's slightly better than a 4 mana 3/2 summon a 1/1 which is atrocious. Then most of the time arena decks have mostly minions, some good arena decks might even end up with all minions in which case gnomish experimenter is consistantly terrible. In this deck it's alright. I don't like Fel Reaver either because a lot of people don't seem to get that "it doesn't matter unless you get to fatigue" thing is a lot less valid than normal because fel reavers can easily discard 15 cards meaning if it's turn 12 you're at fatigue already.
Hang Nail I'm saying that a lot of people say fel reaver only matters if you reach fatigue which almost never happens, except that when fel reaver discards 15 cards then suddnely you get to fatigue very quickly and a 5 mana 8/8 isn't game winningly good.
Then if you look at razorfen hunter, it's generally an eh card in arena, gnomish experimenter will most of the time be increasing that mana cost by one, and swapping 2/3 for 3/2. The extra minion to put a buff on I really don't see as a big deal, as the only class that really has decent buffs is paladin who can summon 1/1's anyway. As for the combos, playing a gnomish experimenter uses a card from your hand, then draws you a chicken, resulting in a net gain of 0 cards, meaning it's useless for mountain giant or other card number based combo, and of course you can't rely on getting combos in arena anyway.
Random question, anyone feel free to answer.
Why the fuck would anyone play shaman?
Most of their summons are useless, except for the 0-2 taunt, but it's just an annoyance since it has no attack. If you want an ability to summon units the Paladin gives you a 1-1 which is much more useful than an 0-2... Is there any advantage to the game for playing shaman like Warlock for getting a card advantage?
Gage Wileman Buffs and creative accounting. Use flametongue or dire wolf on one side of the totem group and you can make massive trades at little to no cost. Clutch Healing/Taunt totems keeping minions alive also helps.
Gage Wileman Fire Elemental.
Gage Wileman the shaman hero power can be stronger than the paladin hero power. If you have a strong board the healing totem is very strong
Gage Wileman All the totems except the 1/1 can be better than any of the other hero powers by far in the right situations. The problem is the randomness. The healing totem is better than the priest's hero power if you have multiple damaged minions as it heals every turn and heals multiple minions. The spellpower totem is like the mage's hero power when combined with a spell, and is better when casting multiple spells or AOE. The 1/1 is a bit boring and is most of the time the worst one. The taunt can effectively heal you for as much as the enemy's lowest damage amount when you're trying to save yourself from losing. Also flametongue/bloodlust can be used to great effects on a full team of four totems. Also of course there's far more to a class than just their hero power. If that was true then warlock would be incredibly overpowered, but instead a lot of warlock class cards are intentionally bad balancing it out.
Gage Wileman Shaman has the best common 6 drop in the game (Fire Elemental) and the best common 4 drop in the game (Fireguard Destroyer). Along with that, he has a really unique playstyle of filling the board up with totems and then trading them off with Flametongue Totem and/or bursting lots of damage with Bloodlust. He's got some really strong weapons and some really nice spells. Shaman is quite good in arena. The only real problems I have with him is his lack of decent card draw and the RNG element of his hero power and several of his cards (Crackle, Storm, Destroyer), where the RNG can REALLY matter. I imagine as more expansions come out, the theme of Shaman and RNG will become even further pronounced, which is a design choice I dislike.
I stopped watching once the Gnomish Experimenter was picked. Can someone let me know what happened? Thanks!
xvx4848 He's 5-1 so far. The only game he lost was the one he didn't draw Fel Reaver.
Fans de Revenant empezando a jugar?