Thanks for the breakdown, Juan. Everything has been so quiet since the accident. I was hoping you would break it down for us. All respect to the family and friends.
Great post Juan! I worked as a crew chief on both L29s and L39s for several years at the races and you make sense of many things. The L29 is a pretty robust aircraft, all control surfaces have push tubes and beefy bell cranks so if he pulled an aileron off, there was a considerable about of force going on there. I believe these modified L29s may also have an electric trim feature installed to assist control at higher speeds. I had some bitter sweet memories working at the races and around L29s and L39s and retired from the community after dealing with some tragedies that involved my family. Seeing this happen somewhat opens up some old wounds. RIP Aaron and thanks again Juan for posting this. Sometimes a part of the healing process is when we can somewhat make sense of what happened.
Joe where have you been? This was GLOC pure and simple. Too much plane for the pilot. I remember all the help you gave Riff Raff Racing in the early days
I watched this crash yesterday on the livestream, and send prayers and condolences to the family of Aaron Hogue. Juan, you are so in-depth with your analysis, when you retire from the cockpit you would be an enormous asset to aviation as an NTSB investigator.
Aaron Hogue and Sherman Smoot were both highly admired local pilots here in San Luis Obispo county CA. Our family is friends with both of their families and it’s a giant loss for our local aviation community.
Aw man. This brings back horrible memories of 2011…my son and I were less than a hundred feet from the crash of the galloping ghost. The aftermath is still vivid…God bless all those effected.
I may have been sitting near you - I was probably around 100 ft away from where the Ghost went in too, got showered with some debris. Took me about 3 or 4 years to stop flinching when an aircraft passed low overhead. RIP Jimmy and Aaron.
Condolences to those directly affected by this pilot's death. Armchair quarterbacking, but why allow different G limits for different classes? A human body is a human body. Rocking along at 5G the whole race just means you're one course correction away from disaster, apparently. Faster planes need a larger course. Maybe cross country would be a better type of course like SARL or similar. Guessing jets will either go to larger courses or will no longer be racing here.
@@atg197 All they need is the fly bys to amuse the audience they can widen the turns a lot. And since they are going 500mph should still pass by the audience and not leave them waiting too long.
I was there and witnessed this 1st hand And what Juan says Coincides with what happened Rest in peace Aaron And my prayers go out to you and your family and close friends This was truly devastating
I was excited all year to see the races. When it came time to sit down and watch, I just couldn't do it. I kept thinking that this was totally out of character for me. Now I understand why. I must be getting old and soft. I used to be able to just shrug off these aviation tragedies using all of the cliches that us pilots use. And knowing that the the same thing could happen to me with one simple untimely misstep. Rest in Peace Aaron
I was like that with the Isle of Man TT which I loved to watch but from nowhere this year it just seemed too dangerous and I went cool on it. Glad these guys enjoy what they do and hope they can continue to do so if they want. I suppose at some point after a time spent watching the consequences of it do eventually sink in and it is no longer fun to watch.
@@michaeld5888 Isle of Mann TT is insane to me. I like watching bits now and again. I used to ride liter bikes, but never ever half of what these guys are doing. (meaning half the speed for about 1/10th the risk)
My condolences to his family and friends! They were having the absolute best race of the day, until this. Watching those two battle for 1st place was amazing. Everyone's hearts in the crowd sunk and it was dead silent. He was doing what he loved. Doesn't make it any easier to accept, though.
I'm not a pilot but I've learned so much from you and Dan Gryder. All these fatality crashes lately are heartbreaking. Especially the GA crashes that are preventable with proper reoccurring training.
Good explanation Juan. I believe it happened as you submit. I watched the video on another channel and it looked like the jet was intact until impact. My F 16 pilot friend from McDill AFB always talked about "Fast Pants" to counteract the G force they were able to produce. I am always sorry to learn of pilot and crew loss but love the opportunity to learn from others mistakes. Thank you for your efforts.
Again, Juan.....very well done and your description of this accident paints a clear picture of the events. Thank you. RIP to the pilot and condolences to his family and friends. Blue Skies.
I had a friend who was an aerobatic champion for several years in my country. I used to get to go “backstage” at airshows, which was a lot of fun. He was part of a display team as well as a solo pilot. He told me in confidence that he sometimes had “red-outs” when competing, and had had several minor “blackouts” as well. Eventually he was unable to continue flying competitively because his blackouts became frequent.
I've had several black outs while training in the Navy RIO program during the patriotic Vietnam War. Very scary. Takes the romance out of the whole deal.
Frequent events are controllable. It is the same phenomenon as a skater in a spin. They also get disoriented, but frequent events allows the skaters to minimize the recovery time by getting used to the sensations. So sorry the pilot could not recover.
@@daddydbo50 no, a blackout is not disorientation. It is all the blood and oxygen it carries flowing out of your brain into your lower extremities leaving you unconscious as if you were choked out in a cage fight. It can be mitigated by cramping the muscles in your legs and thighs and lower abdomen.
Was waiting for your video on this tragic accident. You are respectful and knowledgeable. We need to go on and learn from this accident. Keep up the good work.
Hey Juan. Glad to find you here! (I recognized my name on your video! )😉 My husband and I have been discussing this all day. I’m a retired Paramedic, and my husband Mark is a fighter weapons school instructor pilot with 450 hours in the F-22/F-15 with over 5,500 fighter hours. Our impression of the crash is literally identical to what we just watched you describe in your video. We completely agree with your assessment. You did a great job describing g-LOC and the frame by frame analysis was exactly what we did, and we came to the exact same conclusion.
Those air races are another one of those things, like the Isle of Man TT or Pikes Peak races, that I can't believe we're still allowed to do... Never let them stop you or use this as a leverage point to ban it. I'm sure Mr. Hogue would agree, the risks were worth it and he died a free man. It's better to die on your feet than live on your knees. RIP Aaron Hogue, you went out like a man. Respect. Fascinating breakdown of a sport I know little about.
Since I heard the news about the loss of a pilot at Reno, I was waiting to your report. Very objective and well documented. We are ordinary people, who make mistakes. But some of us, unfortunately, pay with their lives for those mistakes. Sorry for that talented pilot and for his family. RIP
Thank you for explaining G-loc. I had seen it mentioned in a video I watched this morning but didn’t understand what it meant. I live just a few miles from the Stead Airport, and really enjoy the show each year. I didn’t go that day, but I am sad for Aaron and his family. I pray God comforts them. Rest In Peace, Aaron.
Thanks for being able to sit down and discuss this Juan. I saw the video Sunday afternoon before you posted this and thought the maneuvers looked like G-LOC, but was hoping you or someone else would be able to post with more information and hopefully some "on the ground" information to clarify. It's a sad loss, and Aaron's family and friends have been and will be very much in my prayers. It's a hard loss for so many.
Amazing you can be SO dialed into the race, the task at hand that you just keep pulling rather than letting off and losing the race. Sad day, rest in peace fellow aviatior. Godspeed, fair winds and blue skies.
I know what that's like. All safety is thrown out the window and getting to the finish line first is all that matters when competition is really tight. It's a weird frame of mind.
Juan: what a great update on this Stihl Reno Air Races tragedy! You are always so through and professional. One note to the readers out of this Northern Nevada area -- Reno, Nevada, is at 4,500 feet of elevation - The Truckee River runs year round through Reno. Alpine Lake Tahoe is 24 miles from Reno. Reno, technically, is in the High Sierra foothills. Near Reno, at Stead, where the air races are held, is more arid high country. This Nevada area is not a very dry, lower elevation desert like Las Vegas -- which is 440 miles away from Reno.. .
Heart felt wishes to Aaron’s family and friends. It saddens me every time I hear about another one of our aviation friends passing. Juan many thanks for your continued efforts to bring content and education to the community.
Your conclusion was exactly the same that i came to. I live here in Reno and was at the races thur-sat. Thankful i didn't attend Sunday to have to witness this tragic event.
My heart goes out to this pilot's family and friends, as well as the racing community. Your coverage of this incident was very respectful, yet you underscored the message of caution to always be mindful of your location and the potentials of your actions while flying. We humans have a knack for letting our reach exceed our grasp. In cases like flying planes, that's why so much training an experience is necessary. Thank you for your insightful explanation, Juan. 💔
I was waiting for juan to bring his perspective to how this happened, Juan you are professional at recapping the incident. I really didn't want to hear anyone else before I heard your breakdown to this incident. Thank you Juan. Many prayers & comfort to family, friends & the racing aviation sport that knew Aaron Hogue.
So sorry this happened in your community, Juan. You did a very professional job in telling us this story, and I found out the likely cause as usual in your videos. RIP
Thank you so much for taking the time to explain what may have happened in that accident. Good to have your insight to rely on when things like this happens and we non-pilots are left with dozens of questions in our heads about what may have caused the accidents. My condolances to his family, friends, loved ones, and fans. For someone like me, it is difficult to imagine how easy it could be to cross the line between flying safely and exeeding the limits for what is considered safe, in a competition like this one. I can only imagine the loss to the plane racing community this must be. May he rest in peace.
I've flown in an L-29. Even "box stock" that was a rough ride in the hands of an experienced pilot. Took me 4 hours to recover after getting both feet back on the ground (kind of). Condolances to the family
Thank you Juan.Sad day at the races.My Father and Mother had their pilots license.Dad was taught by Gordon Froisness who was a crop duster.That was in the twenty's.Mom soloed out of Hayward Municipal.Instead of flying to San Jose she flew over the Sierras into Reno. Had lunch , played some slots and flew home.She was walking on cloud nine my Dad said when she got back .
People have to remember that these are not Fighter Pilots who train on a regular basis flying high G turns and maneuvers. Nor do they have proper equipment such as a G suit like JB said..... they are weekend warriors who fly jets for fun twice a year for the thrill and sport and entertainment for you and I....... Juan hit this one right on the head....Aaron over corrected when realizing he would cut the pylon, then tried to get back only to Balck out and that was it...... excellent analysis JB....
Even if they are not military trained, the currency, total experience level required, recent experience and specific training needed for Jet Racing (or racing in any class, actually) is not a "weekend warrior" activity. The minimum requirements are clearly defined and available for public review on the Jet Racing class website. And not to mention that G suits are not used by the Blue Angels or any airshow aerobatic performer, all of which pull up to 8 G's or more. The rest of your statement is accurate. I was there and there is little doubt that a G-LOC event and possible over-G of the airframe occurred based on the video and loss of the aileron. One thing that is not being pointed out is the utter insanity of the pilot's decision to turn right against the course and following aircraft. If no crash had occurred, I believe an action like that would have resulted in an immediate black flag and the pilot decertified for the remainder of the race season.
As flyride said, for someone flying like this, 5 Gs is nothing. They should be able to pull and sustain 5 Gs for quite a while with no issues. GLOC tends to be something you see with pilots who haven't figured out a good G-strain yet or have poor fitness or a poor diet.
@@jonathanbaird8109 If he blacked out at 5Gs you'd have a point. It's entirely possible he hit well over 8 trying to pull back onto course. Remember Juan saw a aileron depart. That's structural failure. I suspect airframes can sustain higher G load that pilots.
Thank you Juan for your analysis of this event. Living in Paso Robles and a member of the Estrella Warbirds Museum I am once again saddened to hear of another loss from our community. I have watched the crash on another channel and you are correct, not much to examine.
RIP Aaron. Juan, thank you for this well-thought-out, and informative video. I was watching the live stream of the race when it happened and it took me a moment to even process what I had seen. Then the live stream was shut off. It was truly heart wrenching. My thoughts and prayers go out to the friends and family, as well as the other participants and spectators who I'm sure are still immensely shaken up.
Great Breakdown Juan. When I first saw the video of the accident, I was also thinking G-Lock. Prayers to Aaron's family and Friends. The man died doing what he loved!
Saw this happen from the stands. Absolutely gut wrenching seeing it approach the ground then the ball of fire. I can't imagine what the family is going through. Thank you for covering this, GLOC sounds the most likely.
@@woodsytom675 Thank you, I intend to be there next year. The pilots know the risk they are taking and so do we as spectators. He died doing what he loved
Well that's awesome I will see you there next year I feel the same way we all know the risks Believe it or not this was my 1st air race I have ever been to And I had a great time Until this devastating event happened But it does not discourage me from going again and giving my support God-bless you And God-bless Aaron and his family
Good info. Logical cause of accident. I have owned about 12 L-29s over last 15 years. I talked to Aaron in 2019 for a long time at Reno about L-29s when he first flew a stock L-29 to Reno just to show and not race. Really nice guy. I went over that L-29 with him a little and pointed out some things like the typical L-29 corrosion on the lower trailing edge of rudder that needed attention. I do not know if his 2022 L-29 race entry was that same airframe, but obviously the one he was racing had a Pratt & Whitney 3000+ pound thrust engine, not the stock Walter M-701C. The L-29 has a really strong airframe. The first 2 prototypes flew with Rolls-Royce Viper engines of almost 3000 pounds thrust, so a properly installed higher power engine should not cause problems. Production L-29s all had the 1900 pound thrust Walter M-701 engine. L-29s and L-39s have a G-suit system and it would seem to be a good idea to use it for racing in spite of the discomfort. Glad Pete Stavrides did not get hit in the close racing. I know him too. Pete recently bought an L-29 from me for a new project. I am building myself another L-29 from 2 that I recently acquired. Planning to put GE CJ610 engine in that L-29 project.
I was there. Aaron went up high two (really 3) times starting between pylons 6 and 7 pushing the other l29 way up high nearly hitting him. I commented to my wife something was wrong, he went up high after the start/finish and again after that and then the fatal turn. Looked like he was either having control surface issues or health issues. Either way I wish he had declared a mayday and pulled up and out. Tragic. The tsb will surely dissect what happened, as I'm no investigator, but I hope they view the entire lap because whatever happened started much earlier. Thanks Juan, appreciate your videos very much.
I agree I was there too! While Aaron had a fast clear lower altitude line that was potentially un-obstructed by air traffic he was TOO LOW the whole time (but above 50 ft minimum) to allow for margin of error and correction. He was changing altitude too much to keep the "low lane" that he actually lost overall speed in increasing overall distance going up and down. While Pete stayed consistently higher knowing smooth and level on altitude was going to be overall shorter lineal distance and Pete could just wait it out reel him in and win. Remember I saw them do this the day before and Aaron won by fractions Saturday... Pete also has more military fighter low level experience and race experience. Either way I will miss Aaron Hogue, my sympathy to Patrick his brother and family from Rob Mangold.
Glad to hear a racers perspective on this nice video. My dad was FAA 1 inspector in charge of the Reno Air Races for 10 years including 2011 and he he said the redesigned course that he made after the 2011 crash had a maximum of 4 G’s on the course for Jets and Unlimited planes. My dad told me his thoughts about what happened from his 50 plus years as an aviation expert witness and crash investigator. You appear to be an experienced pilot and I really appreciate your perspective. Thanks for the video.
OMG no joke, I was at the Grand Sierra Resort in Reno and there was a small group of people playing black jack with me. This guy was one them! He was playing last base and left after loosing and told his friend "ill see you in the morning"
Very sad to lose such a great man in this way.Deepest condolences to Aaron's family,friends and all at the air event.God bless and r.i.p. man. As we say in the world of aviation of our departed colleagues,'Blue skies Aaron!'
Ugh... This was hard to watch. Literally, right before this happened, my wife was watching with me and said "Man, this looks dangerous." I told her, it is, but it's not as dangerous as it looks, I told her there hasn't been an accident in over 10 years. Literally 5 minutes later this happened... My deepest condolences to Aaron's family.. such a tragedy :(
I used to go to Reno every year from the beginning of the air racing there until the early '80s, and can remember the talk going around to add a jet class in the late '70s, early '80s. There was an RCAF pilot (can't remember his name), who raced a Sea Fury and did demonstration flights in a beautiful black T-33. One year, while talk of adding a jet race was going on, he took the T-33 around the unlimited course (essentially what the jets are doing now) as a demonstration of what a lap in a jet race would look like and giving a running commentary over the PA system to the crowd. I remember his voice when he'd pull g's in the corners. They decided the course was just too tight for the speeds and shelved the idea. Didn't know they'd added the jets until this incident.
Thanks Juan, Very sad.... I was watching the live stream and couldn't tell if he flew through the wake of another aircraft and pulled high G. I also was pretty sure he GLOCed with no control inputs showing for seconds. Flying only a couple hundred feet AGL you have no time to recover. Your understanding of the race and a pilot about to miss a pylon clears it up.
What an excellent and informative analysis of what most likely happened in this crash. I was at the air races witnessed this crash. A number of military pilots watching had come to the same preliminary conclusion that this was a G-LOC event. Your analysis explains clearly what most likely induced the G-LOC. A review of the video corroborates your conclusion. Your channel is top notch for after the fact learning and analysis and my go to for aviation insight on these unfortunate crashes.
R.I.P., Aaron. Prayers to the family & friends for strength through this difficult time. Thank you for the info, Juan. So sad to hear. I hope the lesson going forward is that NO win is worth ANYONE’S life. 😢
I was a guinea pig in the centrifuge at WPAFB in my young lieutenant days - typically 9 g's in the F-16 seat profile, and given they are racing jets and have pressurization available, why don't they install the g-suit takeoff and train ? Excellent report !
Argh, I was really hoping this would not happen this year. From your videos and show broadcasts, it looked like you were having a blast. Prayers and condolences to Aaron's family and friends, and the aviation community. RIP [edit} Great analysis as always. When I watched it (the air show broadcast), I considered he pulled in tight, blacked/grayed out, controls go to neutral and squirts the plane out, Aaron recovers and gets back into the fight but blacks out completely and locks the controls such that he flies into the ground.
@@ewthmatth I did have a good to describe what I mean - what I am trying to say, and forgive me here as I am not a pilot, is passing/blacks out with his arms and legs pressed against the stick due to the g-loads (I don't know but imagine these jets had a center stick and not wheel) such that the controls are essentially locked. I realize I probably spoke out of turn, but I am an aviation enthusiast (most of my 8 uncles flew either in WWII, racers, or crop dusters), and was expressing my thoughts.
Thank you, Juan, for being a calm voice. My impression, while watching, was that he also pulled UP as well as OUT. Usually on the back of the course one sees aircraft going right to left. My memory sucks, and I was in the stands - three miles away - but I recall that Aaron's jet was going UP as well. Then the flight path bent down. A horrible accident. They all are.
It’s always a sad day when the loss of life happens out on the race course my heartfelt prayers go to the family and all those colleagues affected by this horrific crash. May we all learn to stay vigilant and stay safe Godspeed
This was my presumption as well, based on flight path. It may be time to require G-Suits in the fastest classes due to sustained G loading. As a spectator at Reno-Stead I enjoy the aircraft competing at those speeds on the biggest course. I will be back. Aaron had a passion for competitive flying, knew the risks, and would want the racing to continue every year. My condolences to the entire racing community (pilots, crew, volunteers, staff, & spectators) and his family for their loss.
I was there and saw the crash. Unfortunately with the haze and distance I didn’t see the correction the pilot made. All I saw was a line of flames and smoke. Thanks Juan for explaining what happened. I was in the box seats for the Jimmy Leward crash in 2011. I survived with only cuts and bruises. Unfortunately my friend was injured and needed an operation. Still won’t ever keep me from attending the Reno Air Races
Going from a 90 degree banked left hand turn to a 90 degree banked right hand turn to stay on course is not something ANY air race pilot would do on purpose. That is a sure fire way to be banned for life in any race class. I think you are correct about the crash happening because of G-lock, but I think it began sooner. In order to be that far inside of that pylon, 100+ feet according to witnesses at the pylon, he would have pulled much harder than if he would have stayed on the course. I believe that got him greyed out and caused the massive over correction to the right. Then he was fully out and just along for the ride. I have a clear video shot from outside the course and it does not appear that an aileron is missing.
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Thanks for this very plausible explanation, Juan. I live just a few miles from the air race course and was supposed to be there that day. Now, I'm glad I wasn't. My condolences to Aaron's family and friends.
You raise a good point about the g-lock theory. I didn’t think of that. My initial impression was that he lost controllability as something broke in the controls. I saw a man fighting for his life. Sad either way. Hate it when this happens. A byproduct of pushing boundaries.
Really appreciate the detailed analysis of situations like this. Sorry to hear Mr. Hogue lost his life in this accident. Thank you for keeping us novices informed as to how and why these crashes happen.
Thanks for the breakdown, Juan. Everything has been so quiet since the accident. I was hoping you would break it down for us.
All respect to the family and friends.
RIP Aaron. Juan you are very professional and sensitive in your reports, much appreciate your videos.
Juan does a great job…. Too bad the metrosexual twits at “ do you nothing but evil” big brother limit his ability to Tell the story….
Agree.
Was looking great out there too , fly high mr houge , thoughts to your family & friends x
Agree
Agree, too !
Great post Juan! I worked as a crew chief on both L29s and L39s for several years at the races and you make sense of many things. The L29 is a pretty robust aircraft, all control surfaces have push tubes and beefy bell cranks so if he pulled an aileron off, there was a considerable about of force going on there. I believe these modified L29s may also have an electric trim feature installed to assist control at higher speeds. I had some bitter sweet memories working at the races and around L29s and L39s and retired from the community after dealing with some tragedies that involved my family. Seeing this happen somewhat opens up some old wounds. RIP Aaron and thanks again Juan for posting this. Sometimes a part of the healing process is when we can somewhat make sense of what happened.
Joe where have you been? This was GLOC pure and simple. Too much plane for the pilot. I remember all the help you gave Riff Raff Racing in the early days
@@raf3031 Glad to hear from you old friend! Totally retired, living the good life wile I try to keep my teenage girls on the straight and narow!
I watched this crash yesterday on the livestream, and send prayers and condolences to the family of Aaron Hogue. Juan, you are so in-depth with your analysis, when you retire from the cockpit you would be an enormous asset to aviation as an NTSB investigator.
Aaron Hogue and Sherman Smoot were both highly admired local pilots here in San Luis Obispo county CA. Our family is friends with both of their families and it’s a giant loss for our local aviation community.
Thanks for your clear and informative journalism!
RIP Aaron. Juan thank you for excellent coverage of a tragic incident. Much love sent to Aaron's family and all of the other racers.
Aw man. This brings back horrible memories of 2011…my son and I were less than a hundred feet from the crash of the galloping ghost. The aftermath is still vivid…God bless all those effected.
Wow was that in 2011!! time flies by.
I was pelted with nuts n bolts on the top level of G section. That was an ugly crash.
I may have been sitting near you - I was probably around 100 ft away from where the Ghost went in too, got showered with some debris. Took me about 3 or 4 years to stop flinching when an aircraft passed low overhead. RIP Jimmy and Aaron.
Condolences to those directly affected by this pilot's death. Armchair quarterbacking, but why allow different G limits for different classes? A human body is a human body. Rocking along at 5G the whole race just means you're one course correction away from disaster, apparently. Faster planes need a larger course. Maybe cross country would be a better type of course like SARL or similar. Guessing jets will either go to larger courses or will no longer be racing here.
@@atg197 All they need is the fly bys to amuse the audience they can widen the turns a lot. And since they are going 500mph should still pass by the audience and not leave them waiting too long.
I was there and witnessed this 1st hand
And what Juan says Coincides with what happened
Rest in peace Aaron
And my prayers go out to you and your family and close friends
This was truly devastating
I was there too. The thing that struck me was the silence of the crowd after it happen.
I was excited all year to see the races. When it came time to sit down and watch, I just couldn't do it. I kept thinking that this was totally out of character for me.
Now I understand why.
I must be getting old and soft. I used to be able to just shrug off these aviation tragedies using all of the cliches that us pilots use. And knowing that the the same thing could happen to me with one simple untimely misstep.
Rest in Peace Aaron
With the loss of Sherman Smoot, and Czech Mate, before the race week, I had a bad feeling this year, at Reno, wouldn't be good.
it's a stupid race, never main to be, but money publicity and red bull think is worth it.
I was like that with the Isle of Man TT which I loved to watch but from nowhere this year it just seemed too dangerous and I went cool on it. Glad these guys enjoy what they do and hope they can continue to do so if they want. I suppose at some point after a time spent watching the consequences of it do eventually sink in and it is no longer fun to watch.
@@michaeld5888 Isle of Mann TT is insane to me. I like watching bits now and again. I used to ride liter bikes, but never ever half of what these guys are doing.
(meaning half the speed for about 1/10th the risk)
The young pilots don't always have the wisdom to know better. I just wish they could make it safer (not boringly safe) but safer!
My condolences to his family and friends! They were having the absolute best race of the day, until this. Watching those two battle for 1st place was amazing. Everyone's hearts in the crowd sunk and it was dead silent. He was doing what he loved. Doesn't make it any easier to accept, though.
I'm not a pilot but I've learned so much from you and Dan Gryder. All these fatality crashes lately are heartbreaking. Especially the GA crashes that are preventable with proper reoccurring training.
Good explanation Juan. I believe it happened as you submit. I watched the video on another channel and it looked like the jet was intact until impact. My F 16 pilot friend from McDill AFB always talked about "Fast Pants" to counteract the G force they were able to produce. I am always sorry to learn of pilot and crew loss but love the opportunity to learn from others mistakes. Thank you for your efforts.
Agreed.
Your professionalism makes all aviation safer and more understandable so thank you, Juan.
Again, Juan.....very well done and your description of this accident paints a clear picture of the events. Thank you.
RIP to the pilot and condolences to his family and friends. Blue Skies.
I had a friend who was an aerobatic champion for several years in my country. I used to get to go “backstage” at airshows, which was a lot of fun. He was part of a display team as well as a solo pilot. He told me in confidence that he sometimes had “red-outs” when competing, and had had several minor “blackouts” as well. Eventually he was unable to continue flying competitively because his blackouts became frequent.
I've had several black outs while training in the Navy RIO program during the patriotic Vietnam War. Very scary. Takes the romance out of the whole deal.
Frequent events are controllable. It is the same phenomenon as a skater in a spin. They also get disoriented, but frequent events allows the skaters to minimize the recovery time by getting used to the sensations. So sorry the pilot could not recover.
@@daddydbo50 no, a blackout is not disorientation. It is all the blood and oxygen it carries flowing out of your brain into your lower extremities leaving you unconscious as if you were choked out in a cage fight. It can be mitigated by cramping the muscles in your legs and thighs and lower abdomen.
Was waiting for your video on this tragic accident. You are respectful and knowledgeable. We need to go on and learn from this accident. Keep up the good work.
Thank you for your report Juan. I didn’t realize they were pulling so many G’s. RIP Aaron.
Hey Juan.
Glad to find you here! (I recognized my name on your video! )😉
My husband and I have been discussing this all day. I’m a retired Paramedic, and my husband Mark is a fighter weapons school instructor pilot with 450 hours in the F-22/F-15 with over 5,500 fighter hours. Our impression of the crash is literally identical to what we just watched you describe in your video. We completely agree with your assessment. You did a great job describing g-LOC and the frame by frame analysis was exactly what we did, and we came to the exact same conclusion.
Thanks Jamie.
Those air races are another one of those things, like the Isle of Man TT or Pikes Peak races, that I can't believe we're still allowed to do... Never let them stop you or use this as a leverage point to ban it.
I'm sure Mr. Hogue would agree, the risks were worth it and he died a free man. It's better to die on your feet than live on your knees. RIP Aaron Hogue, you went out like a man. Respect.
Fascinating breakdown of a sport I know little about.
Since I heard the news about the loss of a pilot at Reno, I was waiting to your report. Very objective and well documented. We are ordinary people, who make mistakes. But some of us, unfortunately, pay with their lives for those mistakes. Sorry for that talented pilot and for his family. RIP
Dispassionate and professional analysis from someone who’s been there. Thank you
I was waiting for this vid as soon as I heard the sad news yesterday. Thanks, Juan. RIP Mr. Hogue.
Fantastic factual presentation. The best I've ever seen on social media. Thanks for the facts...nothing but the facts.
Thank you for explaining G-loc. I had seen it mentioned in a video I watched this morning but didn’t understand what it meant. I live just a few miles from the Stead Airport, and really enjoy the show each year. I didn’t go that day, but I am sad for Aaron and his family. I pray God comforts them. Rest In Peace, Aaron.
Thanks Juan. I was there with my World War II 96-year-old flying father. We had a great time until this incident. RIP Aaron Hoge!! And Sherman Smoot!!
Thanks for being able to sit down and discuss this Juan. I saw the video Sunday afternoon before you posted this and thought the maneuvers looked like G-LOC, but was hoping you or someone else would be able to post with more information and hopefully some "on the ground" information to clarify. It's a sad loss, and Aaron's family and friends have been and will be very much in my prayers. It's a hard loss for so many.
Right after this happened I came right to your channel to see if you had anything up yet. Great videos keep them coming
Amazing you can be SO dialed into the race, the task at hand that you just keep pulling rather than letting off and losing the race. Sad day, rest in peace fellow aviatior. Godspeed, fair winds and blue skies.
I know what that's like. All safety is thrown out the window and getting to the finish line first is all that matters when competition is really tight. It's a weird frame of mind.
Juan: what a great update on this Stihl Reno Air Races tragedy! You are always so through and professional. One note to the readers out of this Northern Nevada area -- Reno, Nevada, is at 4,500 feet of elevation - The Truckee River runs year round through Reno. Alpine Lake Tahoe is 24 miles from Reno. Reno, technically, is in the High Sierra foothills. Near Reno, at Stead, where the air races are held, is more arid high country. This Nevada area is not a very dry, lower elevation desert like Las Vegas -- which is 440 miles away from Reno.. .
Heart felt wishes to Aaron’s family and friends. It saddens me every time I hear about another one of our aviation friends passing.
Juan many thanks for your continued efforts to bring content and education to the community.
Thank you for the timely and sensitive reporting. I was there and show the fire and smoke. It was a shock to all of us.
Juan's professionalism and knowledge set this channel apart.
Your conclusion was exactly the same that i came to. I live here in Reno and was at the races thur-sat. Thankful i didn't attend Sunday to have to witness this tragic event.
Very sorry to hear this, this is the second lose this month, we lost a pilot from Minter and still waiting on what happened. RIP AARON.🙏♥️🇺🇸
Thanks!
My heart goes out to this pilot's family and friends, as well as the racing community. Your coverage of this incident was very respectful, yet you underscored the message of caution to always be mindful of your location and the potentials of your actions while flying. We humans have a knack for letting our reach exceed our grasp. In cases like flying planes, that's why so much training an experience is necessary. Thank you for your insightful explanation, Juan. 💔
Thanks Juan, I've been waiting to hear your take on this. My condolences to all.
Condolences to the family...Juan, your analysis and information is truly spot on and instructional.
I was waiting for juan to bring his perspective to how this happened, Juan you are professional at recapping the incident. I really didn't want to hear anyone else before I heard your breakdown to this incident.
Thank you Juan.
Many prayers & comfort to family, friends & the racing aviation sport that knew Aaron Hogue.
So sorry this happened in your community, Juan. You did a very professional job in telling us this story, and I found out the likely cause as usual in your videos. RIP
Thank you from Amsterdam, Juan. Very instructive. I attended the races twice, so took a special interest.
Love your "just the facts Ma'am" type of descriptions accompanied by your highly informed opinions Juan, well done...again.
Thank you so much for taking the time to explain what may have happened in that accident. Good to have your insight to rely on when things like this happens and we non-pilots are left with dozens of questions in our heads about what may have caused the accidents. My condolances to his family, friends, loved ones, and fans. For someone like me, it is difficult to imagine how easy it could be to cross the line between flying safely and exeeding the limits for what is considered safe, in a competition like this one. I can only imagine the loss to the plane racing community this must be. May he rest in peace.
Such a loss. So sad. Thank you Juan for helping us understand this tragedy.
I've flown in an L-29. Even "box stock" that was a rough ride in the hands of an experienced pilot. Took me 4 hours to recover after getting both feet back on the ground (kind of). Condolances to the family
Thank you for information on this crash in a professional manner and condolences to the family of Aaron Hogue.
Thank you Juan.Sad day at the races.My Father and Mother had their pilots license.Dad was taught by Gordon Froisness who was a crop duster.That was in the twenty's.Mom soloed out of Hayward Municipal.Instead of flying to San Jose she flew over the Sierras into Reno.
Had lunch , played some slots and flew home.She was walking on cloud nine my Dad said when she got back .
Another professional, respectful presentation…Blessings to Aaron his family and friends 🙏🏼
Sad day for everyone who love to fly. Jaun you are a true pro at making us beginners understand a lot of very important things
People have to remember that these are not Fighter Pilots who train on a regular basis flying high G turns and maneuvers. Nor do they have proper equipment such as a G suit like JB said..... they are weekend warriors who fly jets for fun twice a year for the thrill and sport and entertainment for you and I....... Juan hit this one right on the head....Aaron over corrected when realizing he would cut the pylon, then tried to get back only to Balck out and that was it...... excellent analysis JB....
Even if they are not military trained, the currency, total experience level required, recent experience and specific training needed for Jet Racing (or racing in any class, actually) is not a "weekend warrior" activity. The minimum requirements are clearly defined and available for public review on the Jet Racing class website. And not to mention that G suits are not used by the Blue Angels or any airshow aerobatic performer, all of which pull up to 8 G's or more. The rest of your statement is accurate. I was there and there is little doubt that a G-LOC event and possible over-G of the airframe occurred based on the video and loss of the aileron. One thing that is not being pointed out is the utter insanity of the pilot's decision to turn right against the course and following aircraft. If no crash had occurred, I believe an action like that would have resulted in an immediate black flag and the pilot decertified for the remainder of the race season.
As flyride said, for someone flying like this, 5 Gs is nothing. They should be able to pull and sustain 5 Gs for quite a while with no issues. GLOC tends to be something you see with pilots who haven't figured out a good G-strain yet or have poor fitness or a poor diet.
@@jonathanbaird8109 If he blacked out at 5Gs you'd have a point. It's entirely possible he hit well over 8 trying to pull back onto course. Remember Juan saw a aileron depart. That's structural failure. I suspect airframes can sustain higher G load that pilots.
Thanks for the analysis. Sorry for the loss to the community.
Excellent journalism--as always--swiftly, accurately, and factually shared by an aviation expert. Thank you Captain Browne.
So sad. Thanks for covering this with respect. Flying forever in peace.
Thank you Juan for your analysis of this event. Living in Paso Robles and a member of the Estrella Warbirds Museum I am once again saddened to hear of another loss from our community. I have watched the crash on another channel and you are correct, not much to examine.
Juan, your professionalism makes a very sad occasion much easier to understand. Thank you
RIP Aaron. Juan, thank you for this well-thought-out, and informative video. I was watching the live stream of the race when it happened and it took me a moment to even process what I had seen. Then the live stream was shut off. It was truly heart wrenching. My thoughts and prayers go out to the friends and family, as well as the other participants and spectators who I'm sure are still immensely shaken up.
Thank you for answer my questions regarding G-suits. My prayers are with his family. Thanks for sharing.
RIP Aaron. Thanks for the update JB. 😢
Take care and fly safe. 🖖🏼🤟🏼
Thanks for the great report. You made it very easy to understand even for non pilots
It’s very few people that get to be doing something they love when their lives are cut short. My condolences to his family and friends.
Great Breakdown Juan. When I first saw the video of the accident, I was also thinking G-Lock. Prayers to Aaron's family and Friends. The man died doing what he loved!
Saw this happen from the stands. Absolutely gut wrenching seeing it approach the ground then the ball of fire. I can't imagine what the family is going through. Thank you for covering this, GLOC sounds the most likely.
I was there too in the stands right with you
This was truly devastating
Good luck to you and hopefully see you at the next race
God-bless you
@@woodsytom675 Thank you, I intend to be there next year. The pilots know the risk they are taking and so do we as spectators. He died doing what he loved
Well that's awesome
I will see you there next year
I feel the same way we all know the risks
Believe it or not this was my 1st air race I have ever been to
And I had a great time
Until this devastating event happened
But it does not discourage me from going again and giving my support
God-bless you
And God-bless Aaron and his family
You did an exceptional job of reviewing the event.
Good info. Logical cause of accident. I have owned about 12 L-29s over last 15 years. I talked to Aaron in 2019 for a long time at Reno about L-29s when he first flew a stock L-29 to Reno just to show and not race. Really nice guy. I went over that L-29 with him a little and pointed out some things like the typical L-29 corrosion on the lower trailing edge of rudder that needed attention. I do not know if his 2022 L-29 race entry was that same airframe, but obviously the one he was racing had a Pratt & Whitney 3000+ pound thrust engine, not the stock Walter M-701C. The L-29 has a really strong airframe. The first 2 prototypes flew with Rolls-Royce Viper engines of almost 3000 pounds thrust, so a properly installed higher power engine should not cause problems. Production L-29s all had the 1900 pound thrust Walter M-701 engine. L-29s and L-39s have a G-suit system and it would seem to be a good idea to use it for racing in spite of the discomfort. Glad Pete Stavrides did not get hit in the close racing. I know him too. Pete recently bought an L-29 from me for a new project. I am building myself another L-29 from 2 that I recently acquired. Planning to put GE CJ610 engine in that L-29 project.
Thanks Rick.
Thanks. Saw the fatality report in the general press, and knew you would have accurate and complete information, when you got your report up.
I was there. Aaron went up high two (really 3) times starting between pylons 6 and 7 pushing the other l29 way up high nearly hitting him. I commented to my wife something was wrong, he went up high after the start/finish and again after that and then the fatal turn. Looked like he was either having control surface issues or health issues. Either way I wish he had declared a mayday and pulled up and out. Tragic. The tsb will surely dissect what happened, as I'm no investigator, but I hope they view the entire lap because whatever happened started much earlier. Thanks Juan, appreciate your videos very much.
I agree I was there too! While Aaron had a fast clear lower altitude line that was potentially un-obstructed by air traffic he was TOO LOW the whole time (but above 50 ft minimum) to allow for margin of error and correction. He was changing altitude too much to keep the "low lane" that he actually lost overall speed in increasing overall distance going up and down. While Pete stayed consistently higher knowing smooth and level on altitude was going to be overall shorter lineal distance and Pete could just wait it out reel him in and win. Remember I saw them do this the day before and Aaron won by fractions Saturday... Pete also has more military fighter low level experience and race experience. Either way I will miss Aaron Hogue, my sympathy to Patrick his brother and family from Rob Mangold.
As always. Thank you for your post. Been to Reno multiple times and I know it’s a tight community of pilots. I wish all the best.
So sad to see, great breakdown and context though
Glad to hear a racers perspective on this nice video. My dad was FAA 1 inspector in charge of the Reno Air Races for 10 years including 2011 and he he said the redesigned course that he made after the 2011 crash had a maximum of 4 G’s on the course for Jets and Unlimited planes. My dad told me his thoughts about what happened from his 50 plus years as an aviation expert witness and crash investigator. You appear to be an experienced pilot and I really appreciate your perspective. Thanks for the video.
OMG no joke, I was at the Grand Sierra Resort in Reno and there was a small group of people playing black jack with me. This guy was one them! He was playing last base and left after loosing and told his friend "ill see you in the morning"
Glad you covered this Juan , Very sad situation and my prayers go out to his family and friends !
Very sad to lose such a great man in this way.Deepest condolences to Aaron's family,friends and all at the air event.God bless and r.i.p. man. As we say in the world of aviation of our departed colleagues,'Blue skies Aaron!'
Very good description of the whole maneuver. Thank you.
Ugh... This was hard to watch. Literally, right before this happened, my wife was watching with me and said "Man, this looks dangerous."
I told her, it is, but it's not as dangerous as it looks, I told her there hasn't been an accident in over 10 years.
Literally 5 minutes later this happened...
My deepest condolences to Aaron's family.. such a tragedy :(
yeah, not as dangerous as it looks [eyeroll]
@@jamescollier3 yea, I ate those words real quick :( she was comparing it to stock car racing etc. where crashes happen in almost every race.
2018 there was a mid air contact accident. Not a lot of dead bodies, but there are accidents quite often. It is more dangerous than it looks.
I saw a vampire go land out in the dirt about 5 years ago.
@@lynnkramer1211 wasn't aware of that. To my knowledge the last fatal accident was in 2011.
I used to go to Reno every year from the beginning of the air racing there until the early '80s, and can remember the talk going around to add a jet class in the late '70s, early '80s. There was an RCAF pilot (can't remember his name), who raced a Sea Fury and did demonstration flights in a beautiful black T-33. One year, while talk of adding a jet race was going on, he took the T-33 around the unlimited course (essentially what the jets are doing now) as a demonstration of what a lap in a jet race would look like and giving a running commentary over the PA system to the crowd. I remember his voice when he'd pull g's in the corners. They decided the course was just too tight for the speeds and shelved the idea. Didn't know they'd added the jets until this incident.
Thanks Juan, Very sad.... I was watching the live stream and couldn't tell if he flew through the wake of another aircraft and pulled high G. I also was pretty sure he GLOCed with no control inputs showing for seconds. Flying only a couple hundred feet AGL you have no time to recover. Your understanding of the race and a pilot about to miss a pylon clears it up.
What an excellent and informative analysis of what most likely happened in this crash. I was at the air races witnessed this crash. A number of military pilots watching had come to the same preliminary conclusion that this was a G-LOC event. Your analysis explains clearly what most likely induced the G-LOC. A review of the video corroborates your conclusion. Your channel is top notch for after the fact learning and analysis and my go to for aviation insight on these unfortunate crashes.
So sorry to hear of this. I have had a number of very positive customer experiences with his company. I had no idea he was involved in air racing.
You are such a great analyst of aerodynamic and pilot behavior.
R.I.P., Aaron. Prayers to the family & friends for strength through this difficult time. Thank you for the info, Juan. So sad to hear.
I hope the lesson going forward is that NO win is worth ANYONE’S life. 😢
Thanks Juan for the explanation. Praying for the Hogue family.
Good report, thank you. RIP Aaron
Wow your on top of a one platform..... been liking your info for couple of years . thanks !!
I was a guinea pig in the centrifuge at WPAFB in my young lieutenant days - typically 9 g's in the F-16 seat profile, and given they are racing jets and have pressurization available, why don't they install the g-suit takeoff and train ? Excellent report !
Sounds like they need it.
Probably due to the weight of the system. There trying to fly fast and less weight is faster.
Saw this happen on the live stream, tragic loss, thanks for the update juan.
Argh, I was really hoping this would not happen this year. From your videos and show broadcasts, it looked like you were having a blast.
Prayers and condolences to Aaron's family and friends, and the aviation community. RIP
[edit} Great analysis as always. When I watched it (the air show broadcast), I considered he pulled in tight, blacked/grayed out, controls go to neutral and squirts the plane out, Aaron recovers and gets back into the fight but blacks out completely and locks the controls such that he flies into the ground.
What do you mean "locks the controls"?
@@ewthmatth I did have a good to describe what I mean - what I am trying to say, and forgive me here as I am not a pilot, is passing/blacks out with his arms and legs pressed against the stick due to the g-loads (I don't know but imagine these jets had a center stick and not wheel) such that the controls are essentially locked. I realize I probably spoke out of turn, but I am an aviation enthusiast (most of my 8 uncles flew either in WWII, racers, or crop dusters), and was expressing my thoughts.
Thank you, Juan, for being a calm voice. My impression, while watching, was that he also pulled UP as well as OUT. Usually on the back of the course one sees aircraft going right to left. My memory sucks, and I was in the stands - three miles away - but I recall that Aaron's jet was going UP as well. Then the flight path bent down. A horrible accident. They all are.
It’s always a sad day when the loss of life happens out on the race course my heartfelt prayers go to the family and all those colleagues affected by this horrific crash. May we all learn to stay vigilant and stay safe Godspeed
Such a tragic loss. Thanks for the outstanding breakdown, Juan.
This was my presumption as well, based on flight path. It may be time to require G-Suits in the fastest classes due to sustained G loading. As a spectator at Reno-Stead I enjoy the aircraft competing at those speeds on the biggest course. I will be back.
Aaron had a passion for competitive flying, knew the risks, and would want the racing to continue every year.
My condolences to the entire racing community (pilots, crew, volunteers, staff, & spectators) and his family for their loss.
Well unfortunately it won't be necessary since 23 will be the last race. Long run, it'll be remembered.
We have our seats for the last world championship races at Reno Stead.
I was there and saw the crash. Unfortunately with the haze and distance I didn’t see the correction the pilot made. All I saw was a line of flames and smoke. Thanks Juan for explaining what happened. I was in the box seats for the Jimmy Leward crash in 2011. I survived with only cuts and bruises. Unfortunately my friend was injured and needed an operation. Still won’t ever keep me from attending the Reno Air Races
Going from a 90 degree banked left hand turn to a 90 degree banked right hand turn to stay on course is not something ANY air race pilot would do on purpose. That is a sure fire way to be banned for life in any race class. I think you are correct about the crash happening because of G-lock, but I think it began sooner. In order to be that far inside of that pylon, 100+ feet according to witnesses at the pylon, he would have pulled much harder than if he would have stayed on the course. I believe that got him greyed out and caused the massive over correction to the right. Then he was fully out and just along for the ride. I have a clear video shot from outside the course and it does not appear that an aileron is missing.
Jaun your expert reporting of this tragic loss gives us a very clear picture of what was about to happen
In this high speed race.
Thank you for your sensitivity bringing us what is known so far.
Bravo 👏🏻
My best wishes always from Las Vegas Craig
I’m sharing your video now
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Hard to "like" this video but good content as always. I enjoyed hearing your voice out there for the STOL races which are becoming a favorite of mine.
Thanks for this very plausible explanation, Juan. I live just a few miles from the air race course and was supposed to be there that day. Now, I'm glad I wasn't. My condolences to Aaron's family and friends.
You raise a good point about the g-lock theory. I didn’t think of that. My initial impression was that he lost controllability as something broke in the controls. I saw a man fighting for his life. Sad either way. Hate it when this happens. A byproduct of pushing boundaries.
Really appreciate the detailed analysis of situations like this. Sorry to hear Mr. Hogue lost his life in this accident. Thank you for keeping us novices informed as to how and why these crashes happen.
Great video again. RIP Aaron
Aaron was my friend, he will be missed!!!