The choice is overwhelming, not such a bad thing, but when your spending this kind of money it takes a lot of time to read up about each bike and which one is right for you, by the time you finished reading a new bike is out of coming, it's great to see it move so quickly but hard on brain time :)
There is an easy answer - forget the spec sheet, and just buy the one you like the look of best! Seriously, when it comes to ownership, that element ought not be discounted - all these [production] bikes are great, so just buy the one that you want to look at [and ride] every day.
@@TriumphAventura hargroves used to do a demo day at qepark once a day which was awesome for trying lots of different bikes out but they haven't done it since COVID hit. Hopefully will be back on next year. I'm hopefully going to demo a yt decoy soon. Going with my friend and going to get a 29er and mx version. Excited to try out both.
You're right! Now more than ever, there is so many different options on the market. It's easy to get confused/tangled up in all the latest releases with different geometry, travel, motor and battery options. We'd suggest taking things back to basics and ask yourself what do you want to get out of a bike to make a decision on an EMTB! 👍
My 2021 turbo Levo Comp is a kick ass bike! Been on it for a year and still have zero complaints, all great rides! Rode some local flow / training trails today, 18 miles of practice at a faster speed than when on a regular MTB, allowing me to work on my cornering skills and line choice. The EMTB has taken my riding skills to a higher level than my regular MTB’s have just due to the extra miles and higher speeds possible. The 2023 models look fantastic but my goal is to keep my 2021 and upgrade the components as they wear out.
I just went with the full power Levo because I wanted to use a local dealer and I’m in the United States. My local dealers were Santa Cruz giant and specialize. The levo seemed to fit type of riding I do. I took my second ride on it today and I’m stoked.
I recently rode my first ebike in Maui and I was so impressed. So much time saving on climbing and less hiking and so much riding. I'll always rent when on vacay.
@@melaniecotterell8263 If they give you a decent discount it can be well worth it. But at the listed price, you will see maybe a 40% depreciation across the board unless your pick the most sought after model which is really not easy to foresee. ive been using top ebikes and selling them after a year with nearly not a single dollar lost
Arguably more expensive. Yeah a good dirt bike is probably 8k at least. But you can find brand new starter bikes for 3k capable of off road trails just not as fast and hard riding capable as a good one.
economies of scale... motorcycle manufacturers sell a huge number of units compared to [high end] bicycle manufacturers. Although I do agree there does seem to be a 'price of entry' to mountain-biking in general these days, ie. a conscious decision by the manufacturers to make it a high-end sport, rather than something that is affordable.
@@yodapig It will be interesting to see how the future of the sport or entry-level activity plays out. One group wants an extreme level of power-to-weight ratio and agility. The other wants ease of use and distance. The other wants speed. The other wants reliability with all of the above. Many great avenues of possibilities for manufacturers to prosper. My hope is that they don't make the sport cost prohibitive for most people to get involved. I think they are headed in the right direction for the long haul if the prices don't get too high.
I just ordered the Pivot Shuttle SL. I like the fact its a lighter bike and will still have the power for my style of riding. It also doesn't stand out like an ebike. This will be my first ebike.
I am a 98 lb emtb person and am also checking out the small pivot shuttle. My style is cross country terrain, single track and occasional features. I think it will work. I have a liv 48 lbs and it's too heavy if I must walk it up or down something I cannot ride. Can't wait to see the new shuttle,
I was a Peaselake yesterday. I don’t ride an e bike, but only due to the cost. So many people are riding them now. I recon 75% of people I talked to had one, all different manufacturers. I would love one but circumstances won’t allow it yet so I’ll carry on enjoying what I have and just enjoy seeing these great e bikes .
Regular mtb’s are also really fine nowadays, just buy a hardtail or a lightly used full sus and enjoy it. Just make sure the frame fits your size, it has decent suspension parts and preferably Shimano on everything else.
Interesting video. One thing that keeps coming to mind is how folks are evaluating emtbs. For many riders the downhill portion is what they love about mtbs - jumping, slashing, railing burms, and such. Having ridden a full fat Turbo Levo for a year now (2500+ miles) in rooty rocky Vermont, emtb’ing is all about the climb. So when I see folks ogling for the lightest mid-power SL, it kinda reminds me of folks judging horseless carriages by how fast they can drink at a watering hole (hint - they don’t need to). Judging emtbs as if the downhill part of the ride is where all the fun is, well it’s kinda ignoring that emtbs have changed the game. It’s all about the climb. I’ve even heard trail builders talking about designing uphill features for their emtbs. And in the future I suspect emtb racing will be more about tech and climbing than descending. Mountain biking is going through a revolution - much like transportation did when motorized vehicles were introduced. Time to stop judging etmbs like they are old fashioned manual bikes. Power, range, nimbleness, and durability are qualities to be evaluating emtbs. In that regard, the final bike shown, with its battery above the motor - now that’s a difference that recognizes the reality of emtbs.
I semi disagree. Emtb's make the climb more fun and enjoyable; but the downhill is still where the most fun is to be had. So to me the main advantage of emtb is I can climb all day so I can keep hitting my favorite downhill over and over. But I will say your right that being light is overrated. But for different reasons. I think being a bit heavier makes for a more planted and confidence inspiring feeling on the downhill.
@@bensonr2 i do love the weight for stability and smoothness over chunky stuff. I’m not a downhill speedster (started mtb’ing in my 60’s) but imagine it’s still fun to roar downhill on a solid emtb
@@bensonr2 I didn't mean that you cannot enjoy downhill on an eMTB but on climbing is when you need the most the electric assistance, otherwise you would rather like to pack them in the van and get to the top of the hill. I'm not an expert but I also think that lightweight is overrated in an eMTB, perhaps at the end of the day is just a preference and we all can enjoy both kind of bikes, the more options the more type of riders happy.
It's a balancing act. Before eMTB my rides would be spent 80% of the time climbing for 20% downhill. The downhill was the rush but the climb was a drag. Now the eMTB balances that out. Much less time climbing and now the climbing is as enjoyable as the down. Overall The whole ride is elevated and is grin inducing even on the toughest climbs. While I now look forward to climbing and railing beamed switchbacks going uphill, there is no denying that the down is still be best part.
If you can afford a full assist bike, get a full assist bike. Bike weight is much less of an issue with e-bikes, and you will regret a mid assist bike when your buddies drop you on a climb.
Personally an eBike purchase was a big commitment financially and i wanted that product to last so went with an Alloy frame then upgrade the components to equal or exceed the higher end carbon models in the specialised range. I say this as my last analogue 2008 carbon s-works stumpjumper started to delaminate after 12years, where as my 2006 alloy enduro which is a bike park bike is still going well.
After being a total hater of ebikes for a long time, I have bought into the mid assist thing now. I've been riding mountain bikes since the very early days and because the MTB experience has evolved gradually, I've never felt that any new technology has changed the essence of the experience that is mountain biking. However, with full power ebikes, I don't think that's the case. It is essentially a different sport and not something that appeals to me. My orbea rise gives me the extra assistance to help up the climbs and the same ride quality that I am used to. I think it will be the segment that will persuade long time riders to consider an EMTB. And if anyone says that mid assist bike are not for heavy riders, I'm best part of 17st kitted up and can get 1500m of elevation from the battery by not relying on being boosted up the climbs.
I’m going to hire one this weekend or next for the day and see what it does compared to my normal enduro bike, I’m pretty fit and do ride a fair bit but with a baby due any time soon I won’t have as much spare time so hopefully this gives me the best bang for buck. What setting do you have the motor in? Cheers
There is a lot of choice, but the mid-assist bikes are the winners for me. Just that little bit of extra power uphill, but still a lightweight and manoeuvrable bike.
Mid-assist bikes have to be the sweet spot if you're mostly doing laps of a trail centre/bike park. As you said, you still have so much manoeuvrability. 👍
I disagree re the use of mid assist, I'm thinking of my 1st emtb, I'm 60 next month and still riding my SC Bronson over the Lake District fells. I want something to give me a bit of help on the climbs but still feel something like a unpowered bike.
Sorry, Haibike makes a reliable bike at a good price but there’s nothing class leading about any of their models. Being inexpensive doesn’t make something the best….not even the Best Buy.
Shimano: "Guys, we've got really big supply problems, no one has stock of anything, and our customers can't get spares they need, what can we do?!" R&D: "A new motor with auto shift and drive train people don't need or able to afford or be able to get anywhere and ABS?" Shimano: "You've nailed that sh1t!"
Great video, nice touchs. Just a quick query, really wondering that why are you guys never not introducing any Whyte E-bikes physically which is despite they are one of the tops and original British brands. I would like to see the Whyte there as well. They may not be attended the show but again you don’t introduce the Whyte on your other videos as well.
The Pivot shuttle SL looks truly stunning . And if it rides somewhere in between a trail 429 and Switchblade . With the fazua ride 60. Very well could be the dream bike the perfect all rounder .
@@jordanmackay3568 There are a lot of xc/trail riders who are moving into their elder years who are considering buying an ebike so the can continue to ride the same trails they always have, but at the speeds and distances they used to. They don't live near or want to ride the chundery trails that a 160mm+ would be appropriate for.
Good to see such a great selection. For me E-MTB is about power and range. I don't care much about mid-range light E-MTBs. If I have a motor I want power 😉
I agree. The mid-assist though is great for someone who may not have the strength to throw a 25kg bike around but I personally find the added bulk and extra grunt of a full power bike very confidence inspiring
It depends on what you are after. For me, I'm a sixty three year old rider whose main riding friends are in their thirties and forties and ride analog bikes. A mid power bike lets me keep up with them while still feeling like I'm on regular bike.
@@adampalma3765 I disagree. I think full power bikes are ofter bought by the weaker riders that can't be arsed to put effort in and just want the easiest option. I was only pursuaded to the ebike darkside by a lower powered, more natural feeling bike. Yes, it requires more effort but that to me is a positive, not as it is to many, a negative.
@@matthewtomlinson535 , that’s a bizarre take. I would think that most people employ motors because they’re interested in the power motors can provide. I ride my ebike and my analog bikes for fun. If you’re insecure (“weaker”, “dark side”, etc) about using an ebike and are trying to relate your riding to strength or machismo, reaching for an analog, rigid, single speed would make the most sense. Using your logic, only weaker riders need gears to amplify their leg power and suspension to create their traction for them.
@@pgjudo if a was alone in my opinion, the bike manufacturers would not be investing in this style of e-mountain bike, instead, concentrating purely on ever increasigly powerful motors. so I'm not sure why you think my views are 'bizarre'. The fact that my light hearted use of the term 'darkside' should prompt such a passive aggressive response would indicate that you are not aware that for many long term mtb riders, Emtbs are looked upon negatively. Anyway, enough, I've wasted too much time already writing this pointless reply to a stranger whose opinions are as valid as mine.
Husqvarna is missing an opportunity here. They should be focusing on building around a quiet integrated gear box otherwise they are just another ebike with lots of competition
This is the second video where I've heard you refer to the Trek Fuel exe as having a 430wh battery. Is that a Euro specific thing, because I've only seen it in the US with a 360wh battery?
I have a 2019 Trek Powerfly LT7 (rail before it was a rail) and it’s been a dream to own in so many ways. It’s 56 pounds (25.4 lbs). Hearing about a 22 or 20.5 kh Trek Rail makes me want to pony up and make the upgrade. My next Emtb will probably be carbon.
This is just 18 minutes of advertisements glossing over features of each bike. At no point is there any comparisons between each of the bikes on actual benchmarks. What are the specs bike designers are competing against each other to make the better bike? These are all the same imo.
It's a walk-round summary of all the new models from a show, not a back-to-back comparison test... I'm sure the channel will be testing various models in more depth once they are available for sale/demo.
It's rehashing and re-editing of their show coverage to get their weekly video content. While I watch much of the channel, a lot of it is focused on quantity of content over quality. There is a lot of reused stuff...
I'm itching to get an EMTB but my worry is, well, this tech war and constant drive forward, which on one hand is great, but on the other, you buy a bike for 6k and within two years it's old hat .... 😬 I've been hanging on to see if things plateau out a little
Yeah I felt that way for a long time, but the 20\21 versions were really good and aside from a few nice little extras (mini displays, 10% mode) the 2023 version of the ‘20 Turbo Levo is basically the same. But the most important thing is - I’ve ridden it like crazy for the past year (time on bike is worth more than money in bank).
@@PaulMoody Agreed - you'd have two year's great riding starting right now, plus just because a newer model comes out in future doesn't mean the bike you already own is any less enjoyable.
Why not just hire for a bit? Even at £100 a day that's 30 weekends per year for two years and you always have an up-to-date bike and no maintenance costs. You can also try many different bikes and find out what you like.
Without having ridden an ebike myself im curious where a lighter bike like the Transition Relay or Pivot Shuttle SL begin to fail? Long days in the saddle maybe?
there are so many nice ebikes out there. One comon issue many motors have is the effort required to pedal beyond the "speed limit". So far tried Brose (Turbo Levo) and latest BOSCH performance CX (Trek Rail), both have more or less the same characteristic when reaching that limit. On the other hand, the Turbo Levo SL feels like a regular bike when motor cuts off. What is your experience with other motors?
don't pedal going downhill and it's not an issue because you can certainly exceed that limit using only gravity to propel you. After you've been riding for e-bikes for awhile you sort of develop a better sense of when to and when not to pedal and how to carry speed more efficiently. While not intuitive initially, i think your brain figures it out eventually at least mine has. It's all about applying power smoothly and not overbraking if possible.
If only I'm rich, I would buy an EMTB with out any worry. but I always worry once I get the bike, the factory/brand may no longer support the battery for my bike after 5 year or so.
Ive been riding mountain bikes for over 30 years. I ride mostly DH and Trail bikes. Recently i have been considering on getting an EMTB or a Sur Ron. I can get a sur ron for $4500, but the Specialized ive been considering is about $7000. I dont know if im ready for full e-mointain bike or a fun electric dirt bike. Thisnis a great video that jas me leaning more towards an EMTB.
I got my first e-bike in 2017 as a present to myself for my 65th birthday, It enabled me to keep up with my son and my mates because I was no longer so exhausted climbing uphill. It meant I was less overheated and less stressed when descending. So I made better decisions and descended more safely. I had far fewer falls. Better for my ageing bones. I ride more, and my skills have definitely improved. I can now ride more challenging trails. Best of all I discovered uphill flow! Still enjoying eMTBing at 71.
Gotta Mention my Bike the LUNA CYCLES X2 V2 Ludicrous. The only bikes I like more than my X2 are the Bosch Smart Motor bikes, not as powerful, but incredibly smooth.
@Enduroatte oh hard one 🤣. Idk best for me is Not Always the Most powerful. I only tested Bosch CX , Shimano e8000/ep8 and Sachs rs. Now If i would buy one i think it would be Yamaha pwx3
I have a HT ebike and went to the ebike shop this week to look at full sus ones, had the mrs with me, I’d never seen her so shocked at the prices 🤣 she had no idea
Love seeing new ebikes! Still, helmets is an important subject too, people should wear full face helmets or at least xnito, the rest aren't really safe
Some beautiful bikes! Buying an Ebike this year has been life changing. SO MUCH FUN! I got a Trance X1 and its fantastic. They are very very expensive though. (Paid for it and not on credit that matters to me as I prefer to own my gear vs via being in debt.) That Rocky Mountain looks so good! I can't wait for ABS after market braking to be honest- even if it's just in the front.
What you need ABS, get a grip use your common sense you idiot it's called feel through the lever on wet roots and rocks, if e/bikes get anymore expensive you will have a SUV supplied with it.
e MTBs aren’t legal on the trails where I live. The ebike tech I’m most interested in is the full Shimano integration on the Giant e Revolt gravel bike. The Di2 drivetrain is powered by the motor’s battery and the assist modes are changed with the hidden buttons in the hoods of the Di2 shifters.
How about also mentioning after sales support for tye bike brands and motors? If you're investing so much money and it goes wrong what back up have you got from the customer service depots of the bike brand manufacturer ?
Has EMBN checked out the Scott Ransom Eride 920 in a video yet? I have a 2020 Turbo Levo that i love but wanted to get something more capable so I just bought the scott and the price was just unbeatable for what it comes with. I've never ridden a scott bike before so I'm stoked for spring. Reviews that I did read for the bike are great but their aint many out there. I Might have overbiked myself with it lol but when you have a motor the extra travel isn't really a negative for calm trail riding anymore and it's there if you need it for when things get rowdy. I have my Levo upgraded like crazy but I am really surprised what Scott put together in this Ransom Eride 920
Just wondering if you will do a review of Ries & Muller Delight Mountain with Gates belt drive and Rollhof gearbox....its heavy but a doddle to clean/maintain after a muddy ride ....
I have had two mates buy the Trek Rail, the first kept cutting out and after a software upgrade didnt fix it it needed a new motor, this was a poor introduction to this bike and recently after a massive pedal strike which cause an impressive highside of my mate it seems to have bent with frame mounting for the motor and it keeps throwing chains. Another mate has bought also bought a rail and this was cutting out on his first ride, his birthday a couple weeks ago and again a poor experience from a massive bike company.
ABS on mountain bikes makes no sense, you want to be able to slightly lock the rear brake and kick out the rear. This will only push up the cost and dumb down riding.
What is 170 mill travel? Are you talking kilometers or speed or miles per hour? And what are Newton meters in horsepower? I am looking for a mountain bike which can carry me at least 50 miles over rail road tracks bumpiness in a few hours with me doing no peddling whatsoever. What kind of bike would I need for that?. I am a big person that is 6' 2 and weighs about 240 pounds.
Hello. I'm guessing you're over the pond? Mill travel equates to millimetres. The 170 mil/mm he's chatting about is to do with the amount of travel in the front & rear shocks/suspension. The higher travel in suspension is designed for more aggressive trek riding. This also means the ride is less compliant on smoother terrain. Lower suspension travel are a far better choice for all round biking. Here in Europe we can't offer advice regarding throttle only ebikes due to the fact they are illegal hence, banned. All ebikes in Europe are powered only with pedal assist. Throttle only powered bikes are classified as motorbikes in Europe meaning a licence is required to ride them whether they're gasoline or electrically powered. Pedal assisted ebikes here in Europe have a top speed of 25kmph/15.5mph before the motor cuts assisted propulsion. I hope this helps with some of your questions. Kind regards.
**Tech Question** Could you point me in the right direction on how to get time stamp images to be what’s in the video at the time of the time stamp? Mine only show the main thumbnail image.
What happened to the Yamaha PW-X3 and Interface X?? This was supposed to be a 2022 launch and I have never seen one on an actual bike. I have a bike with a PW-X2. The motor is fine (I don't understand all the motor analysis, it gets me up the hill so I can go down again) but the controller is huge and useless. I can't wait to swap it out for Interface X.
I like how some Mtbs are 11k with no motor, no battery, no DI rear derailleur... and then some EMTBs are 8k with motor/battery/elec shifting etc. It just points out the stupidity of the bike industry which... if you're involved with it... sucks. I mean... EMTB for 6k OR... regular MTB with all the same equipment except no motor, no battery, no over engineered rims, same everything else 6k.... da fuq Is the motor and battery free or are we just paying for one on a regular bike that we're not getting? For 6k you can almost buy a brand new dirtbike with petrol motor. The entire industry is such a joke and its a damn shame. If they actually wanted to grow the industry instead of just their wallets that would be evident and its not.
I have had two Giant ereign and snapped frames on both, giant were good and replaced both under warranty but i think the dlink is a known fault, i think this bike is only designed for firetrails not for serious shredding.
@@jcheco59 that's great to hear. Really like the Shimano but the lack of servicability puts me off getting another one although do like the look of the canyon
The choice is overwhelming, not such a bad thing, but when your spending this kind of money it takes a lot of time to read up about each bike and which one is right for you, by the time you finished reading a new bike is out of coming, it's great to see it move so quickly but hard on brain time :)
There is an easy answer - forget the spec sheet, and just buy the one you like the look of best!
Seriously, when it comes to ownership, that element ought not be discounted - all these [production] bikes are great, so just buy the one that you want to look at [and ride] every day.
@@yodapig I like your thinking
it is a good idea to rent and try as many, you will quickly realise what you need
@@TriumphAventura hargroves used to do a demo day at qepark once a day which was awesome for trying lots of different bikes out but they haven't done it since COVID hit. Hopefully will be back on next year.
I'm hopefully going to demo a yt decoy soon. Going with my friend and going to get a 29er and mx version. Excited to try out both.
You're right! Now more than ever, there is so many different options on the market. It's easy to get confused/tangled up in all the latest releases with different geometry, travel, motor and battery options. We'd suggest taking things back to basics and ask yourself what do you want to get out of a bike to make a decision on an EMTB! 👍
I run the Specialized Kenevo 2021 Expert and did a full 29, 12 speed, Fox 38, float x2 and I can do it all! Totally satisfied it kills it!
My 2021 turbo Levo Comp is a kick ass bike! Been on it for a year and still have zero complaints, all great rides! Rode some local flow / training trails today, 18 miles of practice at a faster speed than when on a regular MTB, allowing me to work on my cornering skills and line choice. The EMTB has taken my riding skills to a higher level than my regular MTB’s have just due to the extra miles and higher speeds possible. The 2023 models look fantastic but my goal is to keep my 2021 and upgrade the components as they wear out.
exactly how i feel about my 2023 levo already
Baby that motor
I just went with the full power Levo because I wanted to use a local dealer and I’m in the United States. My local dealers were Santa Cruz giant and specialize. The levo seemed to fit type of riding I do. I took my second ride on it today and I’m stoked.
I recently rode my first ebike in Maui and I was so impressed. So much time saving on climbing and less hiking and so much riding. I'll always rent when on vacay.
Brilliant bike’s all of them, but so expensive for the average person to try and buy 🧐
if you use it often, it is worth the money. That is the question.
@@melaniecotterell8263 If they give you a decent discount it can be well worth it. But at the listed price, you will see maybe a 40% depreciation across the board unless your pick the most sought after model which is really not easy to foresee.
ive been using top ebikes and selling them after a year with nearly not a single dollar lost
Still Crazy that EMTB's are nearly the same price as a motorcycle/dirt bike!
Arguably more expensive. Yeah a good dirt bike is probably 8k at least. But you can find brand new starter bikes for 3k capable of off road trails just not as fast and hard riding capable as a good one.
@@bensonr2 I agree.
economies of scale... motorcycle manufacturers sell a huge number of units compared to [high end] bicycle manufacturers.
Although I do agree there does seem to be a 'price of entry' to mountain-biking in general these days, ie. a conscious decision by the manufacturers to make it a high-end sport, rather than something that is affordable.
@@yodapig It will be interesting to see how the future of the sport or entry-level activity plays out. One group wants an extreme level of power-to-weight ratio and agility. The other wants ease of use and distance. The other wants speed. The other wants reliability with all of the above. Many great avenues of possibilities for manufacturers to prosper. My hope is that they don't make the sport cost prohibitive for most people to get involved. I think they are headed in the right direction for the long haul if the prices don't get too high.
Way more R&D going into e-bikes on a smaller scale too.
I just ordered the Pivot Shuttle SL. I like the fact its a lighter bike and will still have the power for my style of riding. It also doesn't stand out like an ebike. This will be my first ebike.
I am a 98 lb emtb person and am also checking out the small pivot shuttle. My style is cross country terrain, single track and occasional features. I think it will work. I have a liv 48 lbs and it's too heavy if I must walk it up or down something I cannot ride. Can't wait to see the new shuttle,
I was a Peaselake yesterday. I don’t ride an e bike, but only due to the cost. So many people are riding them now. I recon 75% of people I talked to had one, all different manufacturers. I would love one but circumstances won’t allow it yet so I’ll carry on enjoying what I have and just enjoy seeing these great e bikes .
Regular mtb’s are also really fine nowadays, just buy a hardtail or a lightly used full sus and enjoy it. Just make sure the frame fits your size, it has decent suspension parts and preferably Shimano on everything else.
Interesting video. One thing that keeps coming to mind is how folks are evaluating emtbs. For many riders the downhill portion is what they love about mtbs - jumping, slashing, railing burms, and such. Having ridden a full fat Turbo Levo for a year now (2500+ miles) in rooty rocky Vermont, emtb’ing is all about the climb. So when I see folks ogling for the lightest mid-power SL, it kinda reminds me of folks judging horseless carriages by how fast they can drink at a watering hole (hint - they don’t need to). Judging emtbs as if the downhill part of the ride is where all the fun is, well it’s kinda ignoring that emtbs have changed the game. It’s all about the climb. I’ve even heard trail builders talking about designing uphill features for their emtbs. And in the future I suspect emtb racing will be more about tech and climbing than descending. Mountain biking is going through a revolution - much like transportation did when motorized vehicles were introduced. Time to stop judging etmbs like they are old fashioned manual bikes. Power, range, nimbleness, and durability are qualities to be evaluating emtbs. In that regard, the final bike shown, with its battery above the motor - now that’s a difference that recognizes the reality of emtbs.
Totally on the spot with this, eMTB are all about climbing and range, if you want a light and fast downhill bike, you don't need an electric one. IMO
I semi disagree. Emtb's make the climb more fun and enjoyable; but the downhill is still where the most fun is to be had. So to me the main advantage of emtb is I can climb all day so I can keep hitting my favorite downhill over and over. But I will say your right that being light is overrated. But for different reasons. I think being a bit heavier makes for a more planted and confidence inspiring feeling on the downhill.
@@bensonr2 i do love the weight for stability and smoothness over chunky stuff. I’m not a downhill speedster (started mtb’ing in my 60’s) but imagine it’s still fun to roar downhill on a solid emtb
@@bensonr2 I didn't mean that you cannot enjoy downhill on an eMTB but on climbing is when you need the most the electric assistance, otherwise you would rather like to pack them in the van and get to the top of the hill. I'm not an expert but I also think that lightweight is overrated in an eMTB, perhaps at the end of the day is just a preference and we all can enjoy both kind of bikes, the more options the more type of riders happy.
It's a balancing act. Before eMTB my rides would be spent 80% of the time climbing for 20% downhill. The downhill was the rush but the climb was a drag. Now the eMTB balances that out. Much less time climbing and now the climbing is as enjoyable as the down. Overall The whole ride is elevated and is grin inducing even on the toughest climbs. While I now look forward to climbing and railing beamed switchbacks going uphill, there is no denying that the down is still be best part.
If you can afford a full assist bike, get a full assist bike. Bike weight is much less of an issue with e-bikes, and you will regret a mid assist bike when your buddies drop you on a climb.
Personally an eBike purchase was a big commitment financially and i wanted that product to last so went with an Alloy frame then upgrade the components to equal or exceed the higher end carbon models in the specialised range. I say this as my last analogue 2008 carbon s-works stumpjumper started to delaminate after 12years, where as my 2006 alloy enduro which is a bike park bike is still going well.
Well done. A tight, quick overview of A LOT of bikes to revisit for a more comprehensive dive.
You failed to mention that the Rail and Fuel EXe are both designed to also be run as mullets which makes them even more versatile.
After being a total hater of ebikes for a long time, I have bought into the mid assist thing now. I've been riding mountain bikes since the very early days and because the MTB experience has evolved gradually, I've never felt that any new technology has changed the essence of the experience that is mountain biking. However, with full power ebikes, I don't think that's the case. It is essentially a different sport and not something that appeals to me.
My orbea rise gives me the extra assistance to help up the climbs and the same ride quality that I am used to. I think it will be the segment that will persuade long time riders to consider an EMTB.
And if anyone says that mid assist bike are not for heavy riders, I'm best part of 17st kitted up and can get 1500m of elevation from the battery by not relying on being boosted up the climbs.
I’m going to hire one this weekend or next for the day and see what it does compared to my normal enduro bike, I’m pretty fit and do ride a fair bit but with a baby due any time soon I won’t have as much spare time so hopefully this gives me the best bang for buck. What setting do you have the motor in?
Cheers
Always see the Heckler from SC but never the Bullit in these line ups, the Bullit is a work of art.
Once a Firebird version of the Pivot comes out it’s game over for me!
Or an updated Kenevo SL?
Or surely an SL from Santa Cruz?!
The prices are outrageous !
@@drfasthousevonbrainstorm Thanks appreciate the time you took out of your day to be a douche.
Not having the Orbea Wild on this list seems like a massive oversight
There is a lot of choice, but the mid-assist bikes are the winners for me.
Just that little bit of extra power uphill, but still a lightweight and manoeuvrable bike.
Mid-assist bikes have to be the sweet spot if you're mostly doing laps of a trail centre/bike park. As you said, you still have so much manoeuvrability. 👍
I disagree re the use of mid assist, I'm thinking of my 1st emtb, I'm 60 next month and still riding my SC Bronson over the Lake District fells. I want something to give me a bit of help on the climbs but still feel something like a unpowered bike.
Trek Fuel ExE 9.8 XT for me!
I was expecting some Haibike and Cube in this rank. Definitely one of the best when it comes to quality/price
Cube and Quality ?! 🤣🤣 Good joke
Yeah Haibike and KTM missing again lots in their range but hardly ever covered. This channel has its paid favourites
Sorry, Haibike makes a reliable bike at a good price but there’s nothing class leading about any of their models. Being inexpensive doesn’t make something the best….not even the Best Buy.
@@xaverd5724 which cube did you ride?
Shimano: "Guys, we've got really big supply problems, no one has stock of anything, and our customers can't get spares they need, what can we do?!"
R&D: "A new motor with auto shift and drive train people don't need or able to afford or be able to get anywhere and ABS?"
Shimano: "You've nailed that sh1t!"
Great video, nice touchs. Just a quick query, really wondering that why are you guys never not introducing any Whyte E-bikes physically which is despite they are one of the tops and original British brands. I would like to see the Whyte there as well. They may not be attended the show but again you don’t introduce the Whyte on your other videos as well.
They promote the bike brands that pay them.
@@samwise833 and it seems that Cube and Haibike didn't pay them for this video 😬
@@samwise833 I don’t recon the reason why this.
The Pivot shuttle SL looks truly stunning . And if it rides somewhere in between a trail 429 and Switchblade . With the fazua ride 60. Very well could be the dream bike the perfect all rounder .
I Love it
For me it depends on how quiet the Fazua motor is compared to the TQ.
Also, if the Fazua 60 was completely removable like the 50, it would be damm hard to beat.
Its a rip off and what's the point of 130mm travel for an ebike. 160ish is what you want
@@jordanmackay3568 There are a lot of xc/trail riders who are moving into their elder years who are considering buying an ebike so the can continue to ride the same trails they always have, but at the speeds and distances they used to. They don't live near or want to ride the chundery trails that a 160mm+ would be appropriate for.
Prices are frigging crazy for these machines.
Good to see such a great selection. For me E-MTB is about power and range. I don't care much about mid-range light E-MTBs. If I have a motor I want power 😉
I agree. The mid-assist though is great for someone who may not have the strength to throw a 25kg bike around but I personally find the added bulk and extra grunt of a full power bike very confidence inspiring
It depends on what you are after. For me, I'm a sixty three year old rider whose main riding friends are in their thirties and forties and ride analog bikes. A mid power bike lets me keep up with them while still feeling like I'm on regular bike.
@@adampalma3765 I disagree. I think full power bikes are ofter bought by the weaker riders that can't be arsed to put effort in and just want the easiest option. I was only pursuaded to the ebike darkside by a lower powered, more natural feeling bike. Yes, it requires more effort but that to me is a positive, not as it is to many, a negative.
@@matthewtomlinson535 , that’s a bizarre take. I would think that most people employ motors because they’re interested in the power motors can provide. I ride my ebike and my analog bikes for fun. If you’re insecure (“weaker”, “dark side”, etc) about using an ebike and are trying to relate your riding to strength or machismo, reaching for an analog, rigid, single speed would make the most sense. Using your logic, only weaker riders need gears to amplify their leg power and suspension to create their traction for them.
@@pgjudo if a was alone in my opinion, the bike manufacturers would not be investing in this style of e-mountain bike, instead, concentrating purely on ever increasigly powerful motors. so I'm not sure why you think my views are 'bizarre'.
The fact that my light hearted use of the term 'darkside' should prompt such a passive aggressive response would indicate that you are not aware that for many long term mtb riders, Emtbs are looked upon negatively.
Anyway, enough, I've wasted too much time already writing this pointless reply to a stranger whose opinions are as valid as mine.
Husqvarna is missing an opportunity here. They should be focusing on building around a quiet integrated gear box otherwise they are just another ebike with lots of competition
Everyone seems to forget Evil , a fantastic bike brand with some amazing bikes
This is the second video where I've heard you refer to the Trek Fuel exe as having a 430wh battery. Is that a Euro specific thing, because I've only seen it in the US with a 360wh battery?
I have a 2019 Trek Powerfly LT7 (rail before it was a rail) and it’s been a dream to own in so many ways. It’s 56 pounds (25.4 lbs). Hearing about a 22 or 20.5 kh Trek Rail makes me want to pony up and make the upgrade. My next Emtb will probably be carbon.
This is just 18 minutes of advertisements glossing over features of each bike. At no point is there any comparisons between each of the bikes on actual benchmarks. What are the specs bike designers are competing against each other to make the better bike? These are all the same imo.
It's a walk-round summary of all the new models from a show, not a back-to-back comparison test... I'm sure the channel will be testing various models in more depth once they are available for sale/demo.
It's not even 2023 bikes, most of them are 2022's.
It's rehashing and re-editing of their show coverage to get their weekly video content. While I watch much of the channel, a lot of it is focused on quantity of content over quality. There is a lot of reused stuff...
I'm itching to get an EMTB but my worry is, well, this tech war and constant drive forward, which on one hand is great, but on the other, you buy a bike for 6k and within two years it's old hat .... 😬 I've been hanging on to see if things plateau out a little
Yeah I felt that way for a long time, but the 20\21 versions were really good and aside from a few nice little extras (mini displays, 10% mode) the 2023 version of the ‘20 Turbo Levo is basically the same. But the most important thing is - I’ve ridden it like crazy for the past year (time on bike is worth more than money in bank).
@@PaulMoody Agreed - you'd have two year's great riding starting right now, plus just because a newer model comes out in future doesn't mean the bike you already own is any less enjoyable.
Why not just hire for a bit? Even at £100 a day that's 30 weekends per year for two years and you always have an up-to-date bike and no maintenance costs. You can also try many different bikes and find out what you like.
And the best of all, Intense Tazer
I have the 2019 spectral on, so I can’t wait to got on the 900w spectral
Nice video, but always puzzles me why Cannondale never ever gets mentioned. are they not at these bike shows or are their bikes not great?
Not sure about their ebikes, but the Cannondale Dirt Jumper is great.
Very nice bikes You got there but how about Pole Voima... I bet you guys should test that one out also.
Great display of bikes. However why is there no mentioning of FOCUS range? They are amazing bikes, well specked and good value for money.
Without having ridden an ebike myself im curious where a lighter bike like the Transition Relay or Pivot Shuttle SL begin to fail? Long days in the saddle maybe?
there are so many nice ebikes out there. One comon issue many motors have is the effort required to pedal beyond the "speed limit". So far tried Brose (Turbo Levo) and latest BOSCH performance CX (Trek Rail), both have more or less the same characteristic when reaching that limit. On the other hand, the Turbo Levo SL feels like a regular bike when motor cuts off. What is your experience with other motors?
don't pedal going downhill and it's not an issue because you can certainly exceed that limit using only gravity to propel you. After you've been riding for e-bikes for awhile you sort of develop a better sense of when to and when not to pedal and how to carry speed more efficiently. While not intuitive initially, i think your brain figures it out eventually at least mine has. It's all about applying power smoothly and not overbraking if possible.
If only I'm rich, I would buy an EMTB with out any worry. but I always worry once I get the bike, the factory/brand may no longer support the battery for my bike after 5 year or so.
Congrats on the well thought out and developed video Jonesy, really spot on. Cheers guys!
Ive been riding mountain bikes for over 30 years. I ride mostly DH and Trail bikes.
Recently i have been considering on getting an EMTB or a Sur Ron.
I can get a sur ron for $4500, but the Specialized ive been considering is about $7000.
I dont know if im ready for full e-mointain bike or a fun electric dirt bike.
Thisnis a great video that jas me leaning more towards an EMTB.
Would love to see a light weight shootout. Rise vs Exe vs Pivot Shuttle ect..
When will you test the 2022 or 2023 models for the rocky mountain powerplay ? The last test you did (2019 models) was GREAT !!!
Kenevo sl was a bad desition to get it as a mid asist bike. Was enough with levo sl, but no kenevo as enduro bike
I couldn't Find any TM's, but I'm finally picking up a CUBE Stereo Hybrid 140 HPC SL 750 tomorrow!
I’m going to be in my 60’s this year. Being an avid MTB’er, I can definitely see the need for some up hill assist. 👍
I got my first e-bike in 2017 as a present to myself for my 65th birthday, It enabled me to keep up with my son and my mates because I was no longer so exhausted climbing uphill. It meant I was less overheated and less stressed when descending. So I made better decisions and descended more safely. I had far fewer falls. Better for my ageing bones. I ride more, and my skills have definitely improved. I can now ride more challenging trails. Best of all I discovered uphill flow! Still enjoying eMTBing at 71.
Gotta Mention my Bike the LUNA CYCLES X2 V2 Ludicrous. The only bikes I like more than my X2 are the Bosch Smart Motor bikes, not as powerful, but incredibly smooth.
I’m surely not alone in wanting to know what brand is water PROOF, I love my Giant BUT if you sneeze near it , it’s dead and makes slog home.
100%. They NEVER touch the durability/reliability issues. Wonder why 🤔
Excellent Steve thanks for the footage my friend 😁👍❤️🇬🇧
Excellent report as usual !
Love every brand speech !
Informative of trends and efforts and future of thing's coming 🙂
What about the Pole Voima?
Ugly frame and Bosch..
@Enduroatte Not rly 👍but hey U can think Like that and be Happy. I Had Bosch and Sold IT Same month
@Enduroatte oh hard one 🤣. Idk best for me is Not Always the Most powerful. I only tested Bosch CX , Shimano e8000/ep8 and Sachs rs. Now If i would buy one i think it would be Yamaha pwx3
Feel like you guys went over the entire range of ebikes, narrow it down a bit & just call the Rocky the winner 😂
I have a HT ebike and went to the ebike shop this week to look at full sus ones, had the mrs with me, I’d never seen her so shocked at the prices 🤣 she had no idea
The prices are staggering. The price of a dirt bike!
@@mxbadboy263 too right, I’d be interested to know the cost price of these bikes and there profit margins, saying that I have since treated myself!
the new bikes look absolutely stunning!
For me, the bike with the best after sales support, and one that’s easy to derestrict.
Shimano 👍
@@lakaldrak I had an e8000, after sales in the U.K. was awful.
@@jamsxr i still Love IT. Best Motor easy. No Problems and String enough.
Love seeing new ebikes! Still, helmets is an important subject too, people should wear full face helmets or at least xnito, the rest aren't really safe
Pretty hot in the summer tho. MIPS is fine for most
Some beautiful bikes! Buying an Ebike this year has been life changing. SO MUCH FUN! I got a Trance X1 and its fantastic. They are very very expensive though. (Paid for it and not on credit that matters to me as I prefer to own my gear vs via being in debt.) That Rocky Mountain looks so good! I can't wait for ABS after market braking to be honest- even if it's just in the front.
What you need ABS, get a grip use your common sense you idiot it's called feel through the lever on wet roots and rocks, if e/bikes get anymore expensive you will have a SUV supplied with it.
e MTBs aren’t legal on the trails where I live. The ebike tech I’m most interested in is the full Shimano integration on the Giant e Revolt gravel bike. The Di2 drivetrain is powered by the motor’s battery and the assist modes are changed with the hidden buttons in the hoods of the Di2 shifters.
Learn the difference between 'Legal' and Lawful then, such trivialities don't mean squat to you as a man
What is the reason for them to not be legal or lawful? Do the full power dig trenches or what???
I'm looking for a new mid power sl and was wondering if you are going to do a review on the BH ilynx trail. Thanks from rory... nz
Happy to saw the bike I currently ride :D
How about also mentioning after sales support for tye bike brands and motors? If you're investing so much money and it goes wrong what back up have you got from the customer service depots of the bike brand manufacturer ?
Has EMBN checked out the Scott Ransom Eride 920 in a video yet? I have a 2020 Turbo Levo that i love but wanted to get something more capable so I just bought the scott and the price was just unbeatable for what it comes with. I've never ridden a scott bike before so I'm stoked for spring. Reviews that I did read for the bike are great but their aint many out there.
I Might have overbiked myself with it lol but when you have a motor the extra travel isn't really a negative for calm trail riding anymore and it's there if you need it for when things get rowdy.
I have my Levo upgraded like crazy but I am really surprised what Scott put together in this Ransom Eride 920
You had chance to ride amazing bikes, great list, top gear-like e-bike content:)
hello What e bike would you recommend for flat and bumpy dirt roads. Sometimes sandy and generally quite windy
Can’t wait to see the new Orbea Wild!!!
How about E-Hard Tail, mid assist? Do they exist?
Just wondering if you will do a review of Ries & Muller Delight Mountain with Gates belt drive and Rollhof gearbox....its heavy but a doddle to clean/maintain after a muddy ride ....
Was hoping trek would have used the newer bosh stuff for 2023 or at least intergrated the display
Super nice
I'm going to get either a santa crux heckler, a rocky altitude or a levo turbo or bullit.. or scott ransom🤣
How long do the battery last on tbe fuel exe? Like if you have a day out is it going to last? Like 5 or more hours?
Good video 👍
Thanks for the visit Kingerz!
I have had two mates buy the Trek Rail, the first kept cutting out and after a software upgrade didnt fix it it needed a new motor, this was a poor introduction to this bike and recently after a massive pedal strike which cause an impressive highside of my mate it seems to have bent with frame mounting for the motor and it keeps throwing chains. Another mate has bought also bought a rail and this was cutting out on his first ride, his birthday a couple weeks ago and again a poor experience from a massive bike company.
Sounds like you need new mates, I bet they drive BMW's / Audis?
Why only paid ad bikes? Where is the ones like scott ransom?
any bike you recommend with the bafang m620 motor? i need that 160nm of torque!
ABS on mountain bikes makes no sense, you want to be able to slightly lock the rear brake and kick out the rear.
This will only push up the cost and dumb down riding.
They only use ABS on the front wheel for this exact reason.
YT bikes - great quality for great price !
Does the Vitus not have a 900w battery now? I have a couple mates with them and their component spec for pound sterling is impressive also
What is 170 mill travel? Are you talking kilometers or speed or miles per hour? And what are Newton meters in horsepower? I am looking for a mountain bike which can carry me at least 50 miles over rail road tracks bumpiness in a few hours with me doing no peddling whatsoever. What kind of bike would I need for that?. I am a big person that is 6' 2 and weighs about 240 pounds.
Hello. I'm guessing you're over the pond? Mill travel equates to millimetres. The 170 mil/mm he's chatting about is to do with the amount of travel in the front & rear shocks/suspension. The higher travel in suspension is designed for more aggressive trek riding. This also means the ride is less compliant on smoother terrain. Lower suspension travel are a far better choice for all round biking.
Here in Europe we can't offer advice regarding throttle only ebikes due to the fact they are illegal hence, banned. All ebikes in Europe are powered only with pedal assist. Throttle only powered bikes are classified as motorbikes in Europe meaning a licence is required to ride them whether they're gasoline or electrically powered. Pedal assisted ebikes here in Europe have a top speed of 25kmph/15.5mph before the motor cuts assisted propulsion. I hope this helps with some of your questions. Kind regards.
**Tech Question** Could you point me in the right direction on how to get time stamp images to be what’s in the video at the time of the time stamp? Mine only show the main thumbnail image.
Do you know where you can buy a Radon in the uk. Thanks
So basically every bike then 👍🏻
Got to include all the sponsors? 🤔
What happened to the Yamaha PW-X3 and Interface X?? This was supposed to be a 2022 launch and I have never seen one on an actual bike. I have a bike with a PW-X2. The motor is fine (I don't understand all the motor analysis, it gets me up the hill so I can go down again) but the controller is huge and useless. I can't wait to swap it out for Interface X.
It did show up in Haibike NDuro 7.0 2022 - however - sold out.
Please share the websites link to buy these bikes
Just like vehicle prices, electric bikes, I’ve gotten out of control with the pricing
Focus sam2 6.9
nice
I like how some Mtbs are 11k with no motor, no battery, no DI rear derailleur... and then some EMTBs are 8k with motor/battery/elec shifting etc. It just points out the stupidity of the bike industry which... if you're involved with it... sucks. I mean... EMTB for 6k OR... regular MTB with all the same equipment except no motor, no battery, no over engineered rims, same everything else 6k.... da fuq Is the motor and battery free or are we just paying for one on a regular bike that we're not getting? For 6k you can almost buy a brand new dirtbike with petrol motor. The entire industry is such a joke and its a damn shame. If they actually wanted to grow the industry instead of just their wallets that would be evident and its not.
I agree and wonder the same. Are we duped? I still want one.
looking at the background i would say you are somewhere in switzerland ?
Norco already has the900 wh battery 🔋 the sight vlt c1 is amazing
High Power Cycles in the states would blow any of the brands out of the water! Probably cheaper also. Unfortunately.
Where does the Fantic XMF fall into?
Any suggestion for the biggest frame emtb out there. I'm 6'7 so size is as much consideration as type /assist / price. Cheers
YT Decoy 29 XXL or Specialized S6
where is the Cube One 55 SLT that's definitely one of them
You need to try the Marin e1 it’s amazing
Nice
Anyone know if Specialized is designing a mid-size motor and battery that would fit in the current Levo and kenevo SL frames?
Why would they do that when they can get you to buy a whole new bike? I suspect new, more powerful SLs coming out soon!
I have had two Giant ereign and snapped frames on both, giant were good and replaced both under warranty but i think the dlink is a known fault, i think this bike is only designed for firetrails not for serious shredding.
sucks to hear, just ordered a Reign. Don't you think it's possible it was just a (large) bad production batch?
Spectral on comes with 150mm travel not 160.
Are the motors serviceable yet?
Only Polini is looking to make them serviceable
@@jcheco59 that's great to hear. Really like the Shimano but the lack of servicability puts me off getting another one although do like the look of the canyon