DEATHMATE: An IMAGE & VALIANT Crossover NIGHTMARE!
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
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1990's comic book fans salivated over what was meant to be the most epic independent comic crossover in history - Deathmate from Valiant & Image Comics! Late shipping and a non-nonsensical story made this crossover meant to move the needle into a disappointment for fanboys everywhere.
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Actually, Solar, Magnus, and Turok existed before Valiant...Gold Key I think was their home company.
Correct. I would like to read those God Key books to see if these characters didn't suck back then.
Facts
I never read Solar, but Gold Key Turok was pretty good. I used to get them in .25 three packs at the newsstand. It was better than the Valiant Turok.
@@CryptoComics they didint suck until they ambushed Jim shooter
I was about 13 when this came out and at the time I liked it. Although image art is much more dynamic, I always loved the soft coloring and "vintage comics" looking art Valiant had. It looked like no other comics out there at the time.
I think they used watercolor on their comics at Valiant. I've become a big fan of the old Malibu Ultraverse books here in modern time.
Your roast of deathmate is perfect 😂
The most overhyped crossover of all time was even worse to revisit two decades later!
I purchased them as soon as they came out. Never had to wait15 years to find a black or red issue.
I loved the beginning of this book. The idea that he would take the part of him that has the traumatic memories and split it off from himself and send it somewhere else was so cool to me. Valiant got a lot of criticism early on for having a 'house' art style and it was cool to see how Image artists drew their characters.
When you have to sit Rob Leifeld down in a corner and force him to finish a comic...
As a standalone, I thought Black was really good when I was a kid. Probably didn't hurt that CyberForce and WildC.A.T.s were my favorite Image comics. I found the issue late in '94 and had already read the Killer Instinct arc, so seeing Ripclaw and Warblade together again in an alternate timeline was awesome.
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You don't dig the videos or this crappy Deathmate comic that nearly killed me to read?
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This crossover gave us death mate black which gave us one of the greatest comics of all time: gen13. It was more than worth the effort.
This is 100% true.
I just got and read the Black issue because I love Gen 13. It was pretty rough getting through it.
Love the Sting shout out as well as the hilarious Mr. Perfect Curt Henning shout out in another video.
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i was on that Image comics hype train when i was collecting in the 90s. i also bought into the Deathmate hype. I never bought all if them because like you said, the Valiant comics just did not have the same draw or appeal that the Image books and character did with the exception of X-O manowar (one of my favs). Thank you for sharing the Deathmate story as i finally got a good overview of it. I may have get the rest of them just to have the “set” since i can get them foe way less than they were going for back when they came out. i dont think this was a bad video either. you did manage to power through it despite being disappointed in the series. 🤘🏽
Thanks for the comments! X-O has become one of my favorites recently. I'm still looking for the first few issues.
Deathmate=The Fuckening: Conceptually, sounds like an amazing 6-9 comic series. 🤣😂
I loved collecting the Deathmate comics as a kid. I think I had some cards too.
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WOW - Image was a whole year late!!! That is rediculous. If this didin't happened this could still be a thing today because if you think about it that is what killed this whole project form the jump.
In Philly? Image black just sat on the shelves and collected dust.
It was extremely hard to find out here. I remember it going for close to twenty bucks back then. The only one I give a crap about is Red.
It’s funny. We had just bought a store and we’re kind of sharing orders during the transition. When I got his old order forms I couldn’t for the life of me make sense of his Deathmate numbers. They seemed absolutely ludicrous. And I slashed them to the bone. I was like: Spawn’s your highest selling image book at 200 copies, he’s not in it and you’re ordering 500 copies of this thing?!
I remember this. I was a fan of Valiant but I bought Youngblood Strikefile#1 ,Wildstar#1 and Union #1 after reading the Deathmate Prologue back in the day. The very early Valiant comics were pretty good and had a very science fiction feel to them. Characters aged in real time and Jim Shooter obviously did his research in physics when writing Solar Man Of The Atom. Good review. I own more Image Comics than Valiant though. lol.
Those books should be a sound investment.
@@drmidnight2419 Maybe, but I'm old fashioned. I want to keep them because I love the story and art.
Im just waiting on Valiant comics vs Devolver Digital games u heard? If not, then Image Comics vs Activision Blizzard
thats sting dude wither you like it or not
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Until the sumbitch shows up in these comments himself and tells me how to say it properly, he's Mark TexMexia.
This along with the death of superman killed comics in the nineties
Solar Man of the Atom #1 - #10 are some of the best comics ever made.
Truly?
@@CryptoComics yeah youd really have to read them for yourself but its genius writing Shooter did in the pre unity Valiant stuff
I actually found Deathmate Green at an antique mall today for $3. Score!!
I've been looking for that. I have two Deathmate pinks, but have yet to track that guy down...
@@CryptoComics pink is the only piece of the puzzle I'm missing (and tourbook)
@@latch78 I had the tour book in mint so I tore it up into 4 peices and threw it in the trash.
The reason why it looks very bland and very orderly is because basically because Jim Shooter hates art that isn't very orderly. He liked it when art followed smoothly from panel to panel and wanted to make sure when you read a comic you knew what was going on. He also stressed realism in the look of things as if this how superheroes in the real world would of look at the time. Valiant's motto was more focus on plot, writing, and continuity rather than art and color. Best way to describe it is Image Comic books leans more towards "comic book" while Valiant led more towards "graphic novel" so best way to describe Valiant comics are they are basically novels with panels and pictures. You read it for the plot and story over the art.
Theoretically, the idea behind Deathmate had a chance. If it had been Valiant's superior writing staff with Image's top artists, it could have produced results. Black was somewhat late, but it was more like November 1993 kind of late. I never actually got the Epilogue or Red at the time, since I literally stopped collecting comics before they came out, only reading them 15 years later.
I do wonder why Valiant entrusted such a critical crossover series to such unknown artists though. Quesada did some of this series, but did Bart Sears do anything here? If you want to check out Valiant I would suggest pretty much anything pre Unity (Magnus, Solar, etc.). Rai was solid when it was the first guy, but the 2nd Rai in Rai and the Future Force was a douche. X-O Manowar was pretty solid throughout its run. Harbinger is solid until that 25th issue (which you note in the review), then after that it sucked. Eternal Warrior was always good until the end. Archer and Armstrong (who is Gilad's brother) was good when Barry Windsor-Smith was doing it, but after he left it tanked. I liked Turok and Bloodshot early on. Stuff like Hard Corps was just meh. Ninjak was a cool James Bond ninja type dude, but his own book didn't last (and the Black Water deal was just a 2 part storyline that began his title, not a crossover).
What I never understood about the Bloodshot movie is that they adapted the terrible 2012 reboot version that no one bought instead of doing an actual faithful adaptation of the original comic that solid 300,000 copies a month at one point.
I'm curious is this early in Ostrander career because I remember him because he was the writer for the hawk World Series and the first couple issues of that follow up Hawkman book for DC
Not sure. Might want to Google him and see when he got his start.
The shops pushed this so hard. My 14 year old self stood no chance. What a pile of...
At least Rob delivered on that Youngblood/Bloodshot team-up segment though. Exactly what I wanted. They could keep the rest of that book and the other five. Just give me Rob drawing Bloodshot with the boys from YB and I'm happy.
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the numbers you quote are laughable....i was there in 93 Valiant was DOA...their product is worthless...i even took the valiant tour of thier NYC offfices in 93
This is the first video I seen on this channel, and I subbed. After seeing "Nubia: Real One" I asked is there something worst? and "Deathmate" was mentioned. This comic was a disappointment for me because it was not even as close to as bad as "Nubia: Real One".
Do I need to hunt that down?? I hate bad comics, but sometimes they're like a train wreck.
@@CryptoComics please don't hunt down "Nubia: Real One" pirate it. It's bad like "Ta-Nehisi Coates's Captain America", DC's "Gotham High", Kwanza Osajyefo (everything they do), DC's "It’s a Bird" by Christian Cooper, "Other History of the DC Universe", ect.
It's more ethical to pirate those books if you're looking into them.
Reminiscent of DC Flash point than Days of Future past
This was an all around lame series. A bad choice by two companies that couldn't have been on more opposite ends of the spectrum.
I wish you'd given a little more respect to the Valiant characters and the creators that worked on them.
Valiant actually had good titles before the speculation market kicked in, their upper management pushed Jim Shooter out and reduced Bob Layton to a "figurehead" E.I.C., and tried to cash in by merchandising their products...
Which were the good Valiant titles? Bloodshot looked cool, and I've enjoyed the few issues of X-O I've picked up in passing. Curious about Rai, but that's about it for me. I think it was their choice of watercolors over digital coloring that sealed their fate with me.
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Thanks for the reply!
I'll give my overview and opinions:
1. If you were stoked on Bloodshot, you'd probably like Rai as Rai was a 40th Century descendant of the program that created Bloodshot. Obviously more advanced than Bloodshot, Rai was the sole defender of Japan in the 40th Century. Japan, in the Rai comics, was no longer a country - it was a 2nd moon...
2. I'd also think you'd like Eternal Warrior (Gilad). He tied in heavily with Armstrong & Archer - Armstrong was his brother - and the Eternal Warrior in the Valiant Universe was solely responsible for the myth/legends of David & Goliath, the epic of Gilgamesh, and the 3 Musketeers. He also had encounters with X-O during the time of the Roman conquest of Gaul, prior to X-O getting the armor and ending up in the 20th Century. Those past encounters were "contemptuous" and Gilad always referred to present-day meetings with X-O as dealing with a "thick neck Aryan in an advanced battle armor".
3. Harbinger was a good title. It was "The Boys" twenty five years before the series. Toyo Harada, the main antagonist, was a cross between Ra's al Ghul and Sebastian Shaw of the Hellfire Club, with a little classic Magneto thrown into the mix...
I understand your point about the water colors. It is too pastel for my liking as well.
But they had some damn good artists working for them: Barry Windsor-Smith, Joe Quesada, Don Perlin, and David Lapham to name a few.
Was it realky that bad?! I was a big mark for Image and i thought at the time i thought it was dopeshit
It was the worst. What's awesome are those covers by Liefeld and Silvestri featuring Bloodshot with Youngblood's Shaft and X-O Manowar with Ripclaw. It tricks a young man's brain into think awesomeness is inside, but it was a dirty trick. Rob's segment was definitely the best of all of it, but that's just not enough after the year long wait.
Great vid!
This really is a bad review
This review almost killed me. Worst crossover in comics history. Only Deathmate Red was worth my time.
Youre very bad at this