Really truly considering the ts 855x for my next NAS this year and you're right there's not a lot out there about this beauty yet. I would love to see it fitted with a GPU in one of the PCIe slots for video transcoding running Plex Media server. Tune-up website says it's compatible with various 3rd party cards. I may have to do the experiment myself.
You mentioned that QNAP could have put U.2 bays instead of SATA SSD bays and TS-h973AX has U.2 bays. But TS-h973AX does not have any PCIe slots. The CPU has limited amounts of PCIe lanes. We can make a PCIe slot or make a U.2 bay. But each 3X4 U.2 bay we make is 1 less 3X4 PCIe slot we can make when it comes to using a CPU with a limited amount of PCIe.
Good point, but that chip can handle 32 PCIe lanes, which is 4x what an N5015 (in TS-664) can handle. Even with the PCIe cards, I'd expect (yeap - please correct me!) that there would be enough for U.2?
@@CalBru TS-855X uses 8 lanes for 2 X 3X4 PCIe slots. 8 lanes for 2 X M.2 slots. I guess 2 lanes for 10GbE but not sure. Then there is PCIe for 2.5GbE ports and USB ports. I would not be surprised if that took another 4 lanes. but I don't have the detailed layout. Also, the drive bays need to be connected through SATA controller and the SATA controller is connected through PCIe to the CPU. If there were 8 more lanes going to 2 X U.2 I don't think there would be enough PCIe for the SATA controller to connect to the CPU with enough bandwidth for 8 drives to run at full speed.
@@danielfrancis-lyon8735 I'll bow to your expertise. Seemed like a wide disparity for PCIE lanes between the two chips, but I didn't account for 10GB, extra USB and the extra lanes for the M2 as well.
Great video ! Looking to this TS-855X (to replace my old Synology DS413) and not to a new Synology (I already own a DS1821+): this is because Synology wants to oblige their customers to use their own Synology branded NVMe, RAM and disks ! The built-in 10Gb is important for me because I work essentially with large video files, and the 2xSATA bays (with no restriction to create a storage pool on them) is a must have for the VMs. And I will not be afraid to be in the mess after each operating system update (with Synology I am always afraid that they lock some functions because they detect a non Synology component) ! Now I am about to watch your videos related to QTS and QuTS: still a bit afraid by the "inconstitencies" that you mention in this video...
I am not sure if you have done this recently or not.. But i want to know how the qnap software compares to the synology software??? I have a qnap now, but it's slow as heck and it's 1 year. I have noticed it being a huge resource hog and the only thing i really run on it is jellyfin which runs way better than plex... I have a drive to drive raid which leaves me with 24TB. of useful drive spare or so. 6 8TB Ironwolf nas drives. Just slow as heck and if Synology is better, i would like to know so i can switch...
A review without turning it on for us to see and more importantly: hear? I mean you are explaining a lot of good stuff and background information is really interesting. I do feel at some points you talk a lot, but you're not really giving relevant for us information, like on performance. In my opinion you are really missing some critical points for this to be a good review. What are the real life read/write/network transfer speeds? You say you will test software run benchmarks, but I don't see any links and when searching your channel for this model, this is only thing popping up. So did you never get around to it? You say it's meant to be a work horse. My experience is that Arom CPU's tend to falter quite quickly when you try to run VM's. Did you test if this "workhorse" can manage a couple of VM's? Did you test the tiered pool (hot, warm, cold)? Did you notice (meassure) a noticeable difference in real life with this? I was really excited when I started watching the review but at the end felt disappointed. You did not even turn it on for us to hear and see. You did not put any real life performance information in it. If you do a follow up, feel free to let me know as there is not much out there on this particular model (which may have added to my disappointment in this review). I hope you don't take this badly, I'm trying to give constructive feedback/crticism, not trying to put you down. If I didn't care about your quality, I would have just clicked on to the next one :)
What I would appreciate to understand is if you fully max it out, put it on a 10Gbe switch, what speeds do you get at the end of the line? 4K video editing?
Great, detailed review. Love what you do on your channel! P.S. BTW, not sure if it is different in the UK, but here in the States the term "kickback" generally means "a payment made to someone who has facilitated an illicit transaction." Probably not what you meant, though? 😁
So similar to the QNAP TS-h973AX-8G @ £979 minus the 4 x U.2 NVMe SSD and replaced with 2 x 2,5" sata drives. Get 4 x U.2 NVMe SSD caddies for M2 NVMe drives and get 2 more bays for £300 approx less? Processor AMD Ryzen Embedded V1000 series V1500B 4-core/8-thread, 2.2 GHz processor with up to 64 GB DDR4 RAM ECC memory.
Only two of the bays on the h973AX are U.2, the other two 2.5" bays are SATA. In terms of storage connectivity, these two devices are incredibly similar. Both devices give you two 2.5' SATA bays, connections for two 3x4 NVMe drives (U.2 on the 973AX, M.2 on the 855x), and 3.5" SATA bays (one additional on the 855x). The additional cost for the 855X is going to the the superior CPU, PCIe expansion completely absent on the 973AX, and double RAM capacity. You're not really giving up anything when compared to the 973AX unless you are one of the-what I suspect are very few-owners who are actually using the U.2 bays with U.2 drives and not M.2 caddies.
I tried to google what's the best practice or storage ratio for all the hardware and i couldn't find anything useful. I'm looking to install 3x 10 TB HDD and 2 SSD with 2 M.2 What's the recommended m.2 and ssd storage i should attach to them ? @NASCompares
Nice review m8 and not a half bad NAS. Still, Atom, I’ll give it a miss. Also IIRC Asustor has a 10 bay NAS in this price range with dual NVMe and 2.5GbE (and Atom SoC). Push comes to shove I’d rather have that then this but Atom SOC’s just aren’t worth it to me.
The Atom, the C5125, in this NAS is about twice* as fast as the AMD Ryzen V1500b that is in the Synology DS1621+ and DS1821+ (which I own). Also the C5125 has twice number of the PCIe lanes AMD Ryzen V1500b. * according to cpu-monkey website.
Really truly considering the ts 855x for my next NAS this year and you're right there's not a lot out there about this beauty yet. I would love to see it fitted with a GPU in one of the
PCIe slots for video transcoding running Plex Media server. Tune-up website says it's compatible with various 3rd party cards. I may have to do the experiment myself.
You mentioned that QNAP could have put U.2 bays instead of SATA SSD bays and TS-h973AX has U.2 bays. But TS-h973AX does not have any PCIe slots.
The CPU has limited amounts of PCIe lanes. We can make a PCIe slot or make a U.2 bay. But each 3X4 U.2 bay we make is 1 less 3X4 PCIe slot we can make when it comes to using a CPU with a limited amount of PCIe.
Good point, but that chip can handle 32 PCIe lanes, which is 4x what an N5015 (in TS-664) can handle. Even with the PCIe cards, I'd expect (yeap - please correct me!) that there would be enough for U.2?
@@CalBru
TS-855X uses 8 lanes for 2 X 3X4 PCIe slots. 8 lanes for 2 X M.2 slots.
I guess 2 lanes for 10GbE but not sure.
Then there is PCIe for 2.5GbE ports and USB ports. I would not be surprised if that took another 4 lanes. but I don't have the detailed layout.
Also, the drive bays need to be connected through SATA controller and the SATA controller is connected through PCIe to the CPU.
If there were 8 more lanes going to 2 X U.2 I don't think there would be enough PCIe for the SATA controller to connect to the CPU with enough bandwidth for 8 drives to run at full speed.
@@danielfrancis-lyon8735 I'll bow to your expertise. Seemed like a wide disparity for PCIE lanes between the two chips, but I didn't account for 10GB, extra USB and the extra lanes for the M2 as well.
Great video !
Looking to this TS-855X (to replace my old Synology DS413) and not to a new Synology (I already own a DS1821+): this is because Synology wants to oblige their customers to use their own Synology branded NVMe, RAM and disks !
The built-in 10Gb is important for me because I work essentially with large video files, and the 2xSATA bays (with no restriction to create a storage pool on them) is a must have for the VMs.
And I will not be afraid to be in the mess after each operating system update (with Synology I am always afraid that they lock some functions because they detect a non Synology component) !
Now I am about to watch your videos related to QTS and QuTS: still a bit afraid by the "inconstitencies" that you mention in this video...
Seeing comments about extremely loud PSU fan. Is that the case? You didn't even turn it on? :(
I am not sure if you have done this recently or not.. But i want to know how the qnap software compares to the synology software??? I have a qnap now, but it's slow as heck and it's 1 year. I have noticed it being a huge resource hog and the only thing i really run on it is jellyfin which runs way better than plex... I have a drive to drive raid which leaves me with 24TB. of useful drive spare or so. 6 8TB Ironwolf nas drives. Just slow as heck and if Synology is better, i would like to know so i can switch...
I would love to see someone run a test on the TS 855x with a 3rd party GPU someday.
A review without turning it on for us to see and more importantly: hear? I mean you are explaining a lot of good stuff and background information is really interesting. I do feel at some points you talk a lot, but you're not really giving relevant for us information, like on performance. In my opinion you are really missing some critical points for this to be a good review.
What are the real life read/write/network transfer speeds?
You say you will test software run benchmarks, but I don't see any links and when searching your channel for this model, this is only thing popping up. So did you never get around to it?
You say it's meant to be a work horse. My experience is that Arom CPU's tend to falter quite quickly when you try to run VM's. Did you test if this "workhorse" can manage a couple of VM's?
Did you test the tiered pool (hot, warm, cold)? Did you notice (meassure) a noticeable difference in real life with this?
I was really excited when I started watching the review but at the end felt disappointed. You did not even turn it on for us to hear and see. You did not put any real life performance information in it. If you do a follow up, feel free to let me know as there is not much out there on this particular model (which may have added to my disappointment in this review).
I hope you don't take this badly, I'm trying to give constructive feedback/crticism, not trying to put you down. If I didn't care about your quality, I would have just clicked on to the next one :)
I have an HP Proliant gen 8 server. Pretty good and didn't cost nearly as much.
What I would appreciate to understand is if you fully max it out, put it on a 10Gbe switch, what speeds do you get at the end of the line? 4K video editing?
Is it compactable with Dual-Port Thunderbolt 3 Expansion Card ? MFR #QXP-T32P
Great, detailed review.
Love what you do on your channel!
P.S. BTW, not sure if it is different in the UK, but here in the States the term "kickback" generally means "a payment made to someone who has facilitated an illicit transaction." Probably not what you meant, though? 😁
Can i use one drive and after few weeks add second one and create raid 1 without losing data from first drive?
In Poland it is available and ready @ stock for 1666Eur.
So similar to the QNAP TS-h973AX-8G @ £979 minus the 4 x U.2 NVMe SSD and replaced with 2 x 2,5" sata drives. Get 4 x U.2 NVMe SSD caddies for M2 NVMe drives and get 2 more bays for £300 approx less? Processor AMD Ryzen Embedded V1000 series V1500B 4-core/8-thread, 2.2 GHz processor with up to 64 GB DDR4 RAM ECC memory.
Only two of the bays on the h973AX are U.2, the other two 2.5" bays are SATA. In terms of storage connectivity, these two devices are incredibly similar. Both devices give you two 2.5' SATA bays, connections for two 3x4 NVMe drives (U.2 on the 973AX, M.2 on the 855x), and 3.5" SATA bays (one additional on the 855x).
The additional cost for the 855X is going to the the superior CPU, PCIe expansion completely absent on the 973AX, and double RAM capacity. You're not really giving up anything when compared to the 973AX unless you are one of the-what I suspect are very few-owners who are actually using the U.2 bays with U.2 drives and not M.2 caddies.
@@CJ-kv3hk Thanks for the reply.
1399 dollar for an intel atom and 8 gigs of ram? Isnt that a little bit expensive? Because more hardware isnt included.
8 cores, and the ram is really a non-issues, as I'd replace it with 64=128GB in any event, for VMs.
Nice review.
What’s next, IBM 286 NASes? This is ridiculous
Where are the seagalls?
I tried to google what's the best practice or storage ratio for all the hardware and i couldn't find anything useful.
I'm looking to install 3x 10 TB HDD and 2 SSD with 2 M.2
What's the recommended m.2 and ssd storage i should attach to them ? @NASCompares
Basically a mini 12/1688X
Nice review m8 and not a half bad NAS. Still, Atom, I’ll give it a miss. Also IIRC Asustor has a 10 bay NAS in this price range with dual NVMe and 2.5GbE (and Atom SoC). Push comes to shove I’d rather have that then this but Atom SOC’s just aren’t worth it to me.
The Atom, the C5125, in this NAS is about twice* as fast as the AMD Ryzen V1500b that is in the Synology DS1621+ and DS1821+ (which I own). Also the C5125 has twice number of the PCIe lanes AMD Ryzen V1500b.
* according to cpu-monkey website.
The reason I'm interested is specifically because of the C5125 chip. 8 cores and lower power, is worth the look
Way too wordy really needs to be re-edited