Avoiding the Hype Train | Crystal Light VR Headset | Should You PreOrder?
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- Опубліковано 21 кві 2024
- The recent announcement from Pimax of the impending release of the Crystal Light VR Headset is some of the most exciting VR news this year in my opinion. In this video I outline my thoughts on if you should pre-order. Plus a look at Aerosoft Lukla Airport, one of the 10 most dangerous airports in the world.
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In this video I express my personal opinion, others have, and I have the right to do so as well. I don't endorse or recommend a product for people to spend their hard earned cash on without having tested the product first hand. I know I'm old school, but that is just the way I am.
I 100% agree with you here. I basically said the same thing in my video posted today. Wait and see. I'm super excited to try out the Crystal Light but it is unproven at this time.
Great advice, I'm glad you are suggesting a sensible course of action. Still, I am waiting for the Somnium VR-1 which they are planning to release in a finished state.
@C6v1999 Somnium waited to long. Now the Crytal Super crushes it.
I believe, every product in the world offers you a time period to try out the product and if you don’t like it you can return it for a full refund. If you noticed a lot of people that purchased the very expensive Apple Vision Pro headset returned it after trying it out. Those that liked it kept it. There is No Risk!
So well done Mark! Thanks for being the voice of reason.
Thank you Mark, age equals wisdom.
Yes, so many are saying the Crystal Light will be amazing, it'll be great, etc, but they are going by their own experiences with the existing Crystal, this will be a whole new animal. Pimax has to redesign a LOT of the new HMD, out goes pretty much all the electronics of the existing Crystal to be replaced by new circuitry of PCVR only specs. So there is a LOT of room to get things wrong, even though Pimax has a lot of experience with PCVR, they have made serious mistakes in the past. Your advice to wait and see to make sure the new HMD will be a good one is golden. Too many channels are hyping this thing as if it's already been tried and tested whereas it hasn't, no one to my knowledge has tried one yet, don't even know if they are being manufactured yet.
I'm also a older guy (65), and have become skeptical... when something sounds too good to be true, it normally is until proven otherwise.
We are of the same age 😊
Two Years younger or 1 Year next Month and G2 Owner. I will wait and see.
@@rainerbehrendt9330 I also have a G2v2, love that HMD, well other than the WMR tie in! LOL
I also have a Quest 3 which I compared on my sim rig recently, to my surprise, it was very close to the visuals of the G2 but with a HUGE sweet spot and being able to look around a bit with my eyes. So at this time, if my G2 were to pack it in, I'd have no problems using my Quest 3 as it's replacement. :)
@@SimHangerFS LOL, SimHanger senior's club on the horizon? LOL :)
@@jackr.749 i was thinking about the Quest 3 but i am old School. I want a Cable Solution. Displayport to Headset.
I couldn't agree more. Wait and see if promises are held and no concerning problems pop up.
I did that with the RTX4090 Founder’s Edition card. I am still waiting. Seeing how they’re sold out everywhere and the ones that do have it are selling it for over MSRP. I had the chance to get it at launch but slept on it waiting for reviews. Now I can’t get one without paying more for it. 🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️I guess, I will wait for the RTX5090 now. Hopefully, I will be able to get one of those at launch…?
Thank you so much for your reliability and honosty, Mark!
Of course I could wait for all the reviews to come in. But I feel one needs to be adventurous and take a little risk to keep life interesting every now and then. Once the reviews are in and it turns out this is a great HP Reverb replacement (as I suspect it is) then everyone will jump on it and waiting times for delivery wil rise through the roof. So I've placed my pre-order and hope for the best :)
Can’t complain at keeping life interesting! 😊
Thanks for the video, and great advice, Mark. It's nice to hear a voice of reason and experience, rather than a 'puppy dog' approach to the Pimax light. I said exactly the same on another well known channel, and I'll say it again here, how can you compare two products when one of the products hasn't been released yet?! It's pure and simple speculation for clicks.
I'll personally hang fire for those non-biased reviews, and I know that you'll bring that to your channel.
Every time I hear 'Crystal Light', I think of the powered drink mix we have here in the US. 🤣🤣🤣
Lol thats exactly the same for me, like there had to be a better name
Thanks for the dose of common sense -- I've been starting to lean towards hype.. and this is just what I needed :).
A lot of morons saying to buy the Crystal light. Saying that is a spectacular headset. You´re the first to say that it has to be tested before. Exactly what I thought. How can you say something is good without testing?? Great video!!!
Imagine that we live in a world where people preordered a Tesla Cybertruck and are still waiting for it.. lol
I’m gonna be waiting for the full review.
Pimax had an opportunity, with this headset, to grab a high number of first-time PCVR users, on top of anyone looking to upgrade. However, in my opinion, the rather bulky external design may well present too large a barrier to that particular audience.
OK, I know looks aren't everything, but if you are trying to convince "pancake users" to stick something on their heads for hours, for the first time, I'd have been tempted to err more towards the smaller end of the size scale.
Aside from the video content, which is as informative as ever, I loved the opening remark about common sense. I shall be borrowing that one.
It seems like GPUs are at least a generation or two behind HMDs, to get the max out of any game, especially simulators. Let Meta release Quest 3 with DP and its great lenses, and there is no room for others on the market. Thank you for the video.
You can (only) pre-order the headset, wait for the reviews to come and cancel the pre-order or send them your money before shipping. I didn't, but it seems there is no risk to pay those 30 bucks for the pre-order atm to get on the waiting-list.
👍age bring experience, thanks
brilliant reasonable video, three thumbs up
i agree with you. These new VR headsets do sound very good and what every PCVR user has been looking for - connection to the Display Port on our GFX card. I too will not rush into getting a new VR headset for a while till the bugs and problems get fixed, if any.
I have an adequate alternate VR headset to do my SIM racing games with the Quest 3 connected via USB Link Cable. I do not see any problems so far running all my racing games. But still learning the Quest 3 operations. And I now have my first wireless VR headset to experiment around with.
All I can say is things are looking a little better now for affordable VR where we don't have to spend over 1500 dollars for a headset. I will be awaiting many Video reviews on these new PCVR headsets.
Take care.
Agreed, we need more competition in the under US$1K bracket. So happy to see Pimax make an entrance 😊
Wait for what reviews? Glad I got my Crystal before heading all the negative reviews. It's the best headset I have owned.
Fair enough.
Yes it is great people “reviewing” headsets along with an affiliate link of course!! Prior to release…..
I’ve had a lot of issues with my Crystal. Finally got a replacement shipped out and the plastic loop that holds the head strap on the top is broken. The quality control is horrible. Does not feel like a premium product for the price…
tankyou yes better wait for the testing
The only interesting feature is that no battery is necessary. Like you I am a VR enthusiast and can wait…wait until my favourite UA-camr Mark will give us some review when Pimax will sent him one crystal light (or super). The airport looks amazing, I can highly recommend Oslo from Aerosoft too, not cheap but full of details. Thank you for your great informations and happy flights 🛫✌️
Exactly! So many other UA-camrs are recommending something based on assumptions. Humble hyping as I call it.😂 (Not the flight VR sim enthusiasts, more you're generalist VR hype channels). It's ok for them as they're sent these headsets for free.
The problem with this analysis is the pimax crystal is already a proven good headset the lite verison is just a cheaper version of what we already know is a good headset now just a very affordable price, your taking a very small risk by pre-ordering this headset if you have the funds and are in the market for a good headset you'd be taking a bigger risk by not pre-ordering the 30$ (refundable btw deposit) and then it being on backorder etc. for an extended period of time, like when the valve index first released for example.
Couldnt agree with you more. I can only just get reasonable performance and quality with my Quest 3 & 4080 in my racing sims. Note only just. Theres not much overhead. Beware of the hype! 5090 will be my next upgrade. South African accent ?
You make valid points here Mark, but I have recently upgraded my system to include a 4090 and the fastest intel CPU, 6 gig clock speed, my Reverb G2 works fine, though I must admit HP have replaced the headset and cable 3 times since day one purchase, I considered the Quest 3 but after seeing it on a mates system I would rather wait for something a bit higher in resolution.
Pimax have had their issues in the past but at least they are listening to what the average simmer wants, I don’t need controllers or pass through, I just want a higher resolution with bigger sweet spot and a wider field of view. And at a price I can afford.
My gut feeling is that this headset will fly if the shelf and there could be big delays for those who hesitate.
Pimax is taking a chance in providing what we want and I want to show support, it’s a two way street, I supported 2020 from day one when many were sceptical, likewise I will grab 2024 day one.
I consider we are lucky to be in an era where flight simulators are improving at unprecedented rates.
Sometimes you just gotta role the dice.
Cheers
Ken
Epic system upgrade.
Thanks for ur honesty sir , i think pimax did a big mistake by removing eye tracking , hope they will give us a version With it
The Pimax has the same VOF as the PSVR2, and I also have a Pico4. So I'm waiting for the adapter for the PSVR2. If Pimax had a larger vof, I would have considered it.
What adapter 🤔
@@jginfotainment9839 Still to come, wait when Sony comes out with an adapter to connect to a PC.
What ever happened to the new pico range, seems to have all gone quiet? Looking forward to reviews on the Pimax light, gonna need a replacement for my old rift soon lol
Myself, I am not interested PICO at all if they do not want to sell them in the US. Stupid politics prevents China from doing US distribution. So PICO can go pound sand far as I am concerned. Maybe some day, but not holding my brreath waiting.
Unfortunately, Pico has cancelled the Pico 5 line of HMDs, there are rumors that they might still make the top of the line model though (Pico 5 Pro Max), the one that supports a DP connection. But I'll believe it when I see it.
Hi Mark, if only I’d have waited before purchasing the Varjo Aero when they halved the price. I should have thought twice as to why they halved it. It’s just awful what Varjo have done to those of us who have their hands on one, bought with very hard earned cash.
I understand your sentiments completely, although when Varjo cut the price I did say in my video I was concerned they had ‘found the heat in the kitchen too hot’ and were looking for the exit.
At least you didn't pay the full price😊
I am in the same boat... bought a second hand Aero for half price just as new pricing was halved.
Glad I am an X-plane/P3D pilot... Just before Varjo support ends I'll be keeping my current windows 10 installation I use for simming disconnected from the Interne Hopefully this will get an extra year or two atleast out of the Varjo. Can't see any need for windows updates if X-plane/P3D are working fine offline giving me the same satisfactory experience I have today.
I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure..... :
Yes I’m not dumping my trusty reverb g2 yet. If there’s one thing I’ve learnt having pcs over many years it gets very expensive chasing the latest hardware
I’m normally the first to jump on the band wagon with the latest tech I guess been 45 now you realise to take a step back and wait as there will always be another around the corner I’m sure
But I hope it does well as hats off to Pimax for realising there’s a market for this type of price bracket no frills headset
But Pimax from what I see don’t have a very good quality control and there not always very well made but we will see
This train is stopping in the station for now
getting the super as soon as pre-orders roll out idc!
pre orders started the same day
I appreciate your sentiment. It’s been a little bit ugly to see ‘reviews’ of the Pimax Light accompanied with ‘affiliate links’. I’m really not comfortable with affiliates reviewing products but it seems to be the way UA-cam has gone, and I’m getting off track - for a HMD that’s not out yet.
I would like to understand what is meant by 2160 to 2880 (per eye upscaling)? We’ve always been able to software upscale and haven’t been restricted to such stated parameters (between two specific resolutions). What is different / new here with the Pimax Light? Is this hardware upscaling? Or just having the upscaling software built into Pimax Client? I’d appreciate an explanation if anyone knows.
Thanks for your sensible and common sense advice mate. I'd love to preorder the Crystal Light without controllers, with SteamVR faceplate, since I already have 2x2.0 base stations and Index controllers that I use with my Vive Pro1. However, I agree that it's best to wait for some independant user reviews. Much better advice than some UA-camrs with affiliate links, who are already recommending it over the Q3, lol!
I currently have both the Q3 and QPro. Both work great with msfs with my i913900k/rtx4090 PC and the official Link cable connected to my z790mb usb 3.2 type-c port using 650mbps encoding bitrate. I still prefer my QPro because it has better colours and local dimming. The higher Q3 screen resolution doesn't seem to make much difference in overall clarity, to me anyway. I am hoping that the Crystal Light with local dimming, much higher screen resolution, and DisplayPort connection, will improve msfs clarity, without taking a big hit on performance. Time will tell I guess. Thanks again for your vids mate and best cheers.
Agreed, the Crystal light with LD and no controllers sounds made to measure for flight simmers. 👍
I’m super excited for this product and so many times nearly purchased the full scale pimax crystal- but 100% agree with ur sentiment here Mark. The removal of eye tracking is a shame, so will wait for the reviews and inevitable comparisons before buying
While I agree with you Mark on waiting for reviews, I am not excited about the Pimax Crystal. First off, it still has that enormous profile of all Pimax headsets. Cost savings I guess. I am still rocking the G2. I fly 100% VR. What I really want is a mixed reality headset. I want to be able to see my throttles, yoke, switches, radios and autopilot. I want the tactile feedback of flipping switches and turning knobs and not having to rely on muscle memory or using the mouse in VR. Russ Barlow has some very interesting UA-cam videos on how to do this using the Quest 3. As far as I know there only two headsets where this is possible. Quest 3 and the AppleVision Pro.
And surprisingly the Pico4 😊
Which of course is not available here in the US. -
I agree. And especially if it‘s your hard earned cash which is already tight. But if you can, just trying something out and beeing part of something is also interesting. 800$ is not nothing. But also not the end of the world.
This mix of promotion for the Lukla airport and opinion piece on the Crystal Light announcement was a little bit confusing. However, I do appreciate that you are not a VR headset industry shill that blindly talks viewers into buying stuff. Thank you for that.
Edit: This video was NO paid promotion.
Nothing wrong with promotions. Without them I couldn’t produce content. However in this case Aerosoft did not pay me to show their scenery. They provided the scenery to me, without obligation to review. Anyway the point of the video was about ‘’reviews’’ of the product, including comparison to other products without actually having one, and prompting people to buy. I’m uncomfortable with that. That is different to other channels that are purely pointing out the potential benefits…I’m okay with this approach.
@@SimHangerFS I am with you on that one - these topics deserved to two dedicated parts, though, imo.
Keep it up! And thanks for your ongoing effort.
Hello Mark.
I need your opinion since you had a chance to try the Pimax Crystal (Original), this is regarding the "Dmas" speakers (optional purchase), how do they compare to the Valve Index and Reverb G2 for sound quality, just as good, worst or better. I'm looking for wide range of sounds, everything from sim noises to musical quality (beat saber), decent bass like the Index and G2?
Any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated, I do like the audio of both the Index and G2, so if Dmas is as good, I may order a set if I decide to purchase a Crystal Light in the future.
The DMAS are excellent, as per hp Reverb
@@SimHangerFS Thank you! :)
Meta announced the Meta Horizon OS, to allow others to make hardware and use the same OS.
Yes, this is very interesting news indeed…especially the link up to Lenovo and ASUS.
Still love my Crystal. The form factor of the light is good but no eye tracking, arf... Hope msfs 2024 will be optimised for foveted rendering 🤞
Too late, already preordered, gramps. Things move fast and im not gonna wait an extra 2-4 months to watch reviews of a headset that basically already been out for over a year. We already know the pros and cons of this thing. Nothing left to wait for.
Hello son, hope it works out for everyone, myself included.
I believe that nowadays we need to maintain our legs on earth especially for electronics! Lack of quality check processes of the companies, growing prices to ridiculous levels and for goods like VR headsets the need of a beast machine to run it smoothly leaves no space for anything else! You have to wait and think twice before you purchase something so expensive!
There is no direct competitor to this headset. It's the entire market. I, like everyone else wish it had kept the eye tracking.
👍👍👍
All of these high-res headsets really need an RTX 4090 or bust. I got a 4070Ti super and will stick with my Index. Even at that res sometimes it can't hold a steady 90hz.
Or caution is the better part of $$$
😂
Thing is, the pre order is refundable.
Im not going to be buying mine until i see actual reviews even though i have rpe ordered.
Fair point.
The Quest 3 does need a better head strap no matter what (+$35), a better facial interface to avoid getting a splitting head ache if your forehead is only marginally wider than average (+$38), and controller grip covers to avoid them slipping out your large hands during rapid movements (+$29). The Quest 3 is cheap compared to other headsets, unless you want comfort.
Agreed you will need to spend another £90 on top of the £470 = £560. My video however was not about cost comparison.
@@SimHangerFS I know.
I need eye tracking in 2024. No Crystal Light for me.
1:30 Do I hear a cat fight?
totally agree just wait no need to rush & buy one, UA-camrs like 'Flight Sim Guy' encouraging his followers to pre order through his affiliated links because its a no brainer & will sell out not exactly helpful.
Well, of course they're gonna do that, they're getting paid for it!
Im running samsung odyssey plus on a 6700xt...i mean it works... lol
It it works and you’re happy, then that is all that counts 😊
Why Pimax doesn't speak about their DP numbers...?
Nvidia still on Display Port 1.4a... Fail...to displays 2X9Mp at 90hz....without DSC and compression...
AMD Display Port 2.1...Win...
Cristal Light for a just heavy "screen helmet" without Gigwifi, without ram, without processors, without battery...So it's quite expensive with VAT...
Never, ever pre-order. The moment you hit that button, you change from being a consumer with money in your pocket, to an investor with your money in their pocket...
Good video. It will be okay I assume, but the price is still a joke for what they actually offer.
No eye tracking, distortion issues and questionable ergonomics, poor sound solution or having to upgrade to the DMAS module, local dimming costs 200 extra...
It's really just okay if anything, not great.
If you calculate the bill of hardware this headset will make Pimax a ton of cash. It's actually way cheaper than a Quest 3 in production - yet they sell it for way more - on average actually double the cost.
But hey, I guess it's understandable for all those influencers to spread their referral links around. Who would've expected different... or common sense.
Indeed, just entirely avoid the "VR" hype for another five years or so.
the quest 3 is not good value for money. the displays are awful.
Nonsense.
Hey dingus it's "hangar" not "hanger". Figure it out.
Really…wow…what a revelation… this guy is a genius…where would UA-cam be without people like you… ?
You should never pre-order anything, VR or not. Don't be the guinea pig.
I'd say, go for what you want in life. Money is only paper until you exchange it for something you want or need. We all are gonna die with nothing, so you might as well live with some things you want if you can afford it.
@@kangjames2492 Thanks for beta-testing so I don't have to. 😉👍
@@mururoa7024 I preordered the super. I'll message you from what ever virtual world I'm i at the time to tell you how great it is.
The Hype Train is Real! 🚂 Wait too long and you won’t be able to get one. It will be unavailable and people ‘’Scaplers’’ that are able to get it will be selling it for way more than MSRP. Sometimes being the first to get the product pays off. I remember seeing people paying well over $3K for a RTX3090 when those cards came out. It happened with the RTX4090 as well. It will happen when the RTX5090 cards drop. I pre-ordered the Crystal Light with Face Plate and no controllers with local dimming. Because, I want to be that person that has it. Just in case Pimax isn’t able to make a lot of units right away. Watch people/ Scalpers will try to make money off anything. It happened with the PlayStation 5 when it launched and it is happening with the PlayStation Portal right now. I rather catch the Train 🚂 than be left waiting for the next one 🚊 😉👌🙋🏻♂️🫶
Good luck to you, I hope Pimax gets it right, I have other HMDs to use, so no rush here, rather wait to make sure the thing is worth getting in the first place. If the situation you described happens (no units available for a long time), I won't loose sleep over it since the next greatest thing since sliced bread is just around the corner. (always seems to work out that way).
I hope you get a great functioning unit that will make you happy. :)
@jackr.749 Thanks, I appreciate it. It isn't something anyone really needs. But, I am excited to see what 35 ppd looks like. I have a Quest 3 with the 25ppd, and I think it is beautiful. So I can only imagine how this one will look. That 5090 card is what I am most excited to get. I may be building me another PC here shortly. Pimax got it right, offering the best feature of the Pimax Crystal in a more affordable headset without all that extra stuff not really needed. I like how I won't have to recharge any batteries. This will be my main PCVR headset that will be replacing my Pimax5KSuper.
Nothing wrong with jumping in early if you’ve got the discretionary income to fund it. US$700 is not inexpensive, and a very significant purchase for many. For those in that category then perhaps caution should be a consideration.
@@SimHangerFS Yes, $1,000 to drop on a Virtual Reality headset with the best looking visuals is something you don’t really need. But, None of these VR headsets are something you really need. I would much rather buy this Crystal Light for $899 + taxes vs that Apple Vision Pro for $3,599 + taxes. But, I believe the best bang for your buck would be getting the Quest 3. It is a Wonderful headset overall. 😁👍
To be fair, they actually managed to fill orders for the original Crystal quite fast.
Then again, I pre-ordered the original Crystal, so I'm in no position to judge.