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Many people are worried about the F-16MLU's ability to stack up against russian jets, but thats not the reason Ukraine wants them. NATO's arsenal has always consisted largely of air launched munitions for ground strikes, instead of ground launched. For every ground launched system like HIMARS, NATO countries will have 5 different ones from the air. Its a struggle but has been successful integrating some of those into Ukraines legacy aicraft (MiG29 with HARM, SU24 with STORMSHADOW). But giving Ukriane F16MLU's or obsolete Tornado's will give it a ready to use launching platform for practically every air to ground strike weapon in western inventories. From Storm Shadow, to Small-Diameter glide Bombs, to JDAM-ER, Paveways, JSOWs. But also HARM and MALDs.
"been successful integrating some of those into Ukraines legacy aicraft (MiG29 with HARM, SU24 with STORMSHADOW). " lol they got programmed on the ground the aircraft just shoot it in the general direction of the target and does nothing else..and keep in mind there are tons of SAMs out there who just wait for a chance to shot down a high flying target
The infrastructure Ukraine requires to operate the F-16 is not there. The Radar is outdated offers them limited capability increase over the MiG 29 (EAWACS) aircraft are already providing targeting data for these weapon systems. The biggest problem is the F-16 Block 30s they will receive will require so much maintenance per flight hour. I was talking to a an ex crew chief on the F-16 and simply put the tolerances required have to be perfect. It took this person 10 months to train Iraqi air force ground crew to work on the F-16. As documented these aircraft cannot operate off Ukraine's air fields, the Russians are going to know as soon as Ukraine start to pull the weeds off the runways and re tarmac them! finally 4 months training isn't enough, ex Viper drivers agree 10 - 12 months at a minimum! The cockpit layout, muscle memory you cant just convert to this kind of aircraft in 4 weeks.
@@lukewhitehouse4103 Do you genuinely think training Iraqi ground crews is comparable to training Ukrainian ground crews? This isn’t a comment on ethnicity/racism, but of motivation. I think Ukrainian ground crews are likely to be far better motivated and dedicated given the circumstances.
@PreserveOurPBFs Yes I don't believe Ukraine like Russian tech crew are any more capable. Its not they don't have the ability to adapt and learn It's they are used to their own systems and methods. Ukrainian ground crew working on Soviet era aircraft will Have habits they won't easily be able to break. Soviet aircraft have much lower tolerances. It has a very it will do mentality. You do that with a Viper you torque a bolt incorrectly you load the gun incorrectly you will destroy that aircraft. You load a MiG 29 or torque a bolt wrong it won't drop out of the sky. Soviet era aircraft are designed for conscripts maintenance teams, designed to be easy to work on, have a real lack of composte/specialist alloys unlike their Western counterparts
@@preserveourpbfs7128 скоро они пилоткой маминой накроются эти укропитеки, вместе со своим зелей наркоманом. А когда это произойдет, мы отпразднуем победу. 🇷🇺
Glad most of the guys are back. Watching the German Fly shenanigans is always entertaining. Ditching the plane rather than landing in Russia was hilarious.
Glad your covering the F-16 but I don't think either side will focus on dog fighting or targeting each others Jets. In fact I'm pretty sure Ukraine would try to avoid this.
@@lukewhitehouse4103 R-37 is mostly propaganda, its easily decoyed and is mostly useful against not very manueverable targets such as tankers and awacs. plus R-37s are not that useful in a scenario like ukraine. If russia wants to use R-37s, they must be fired inside russian borders or they would get shot at by Ukrainian sams and ukrainian pilots are flying low so russia's standoff capability is kind of neglected. russian missiles basically have the same range as ukrainian ones when they are both fired on the deck
@@robertgreen94 No it's not, in DCS they can only send the contact's approximate location, via Link-16 to other F16s in their flight, which shows them where to point their own radars to try and pick it up.
On your airframe life and G limits, I actually had a chat with a crew chief of an F-15 ANG unit here on the American west coast and he said that these F-15C’s are beyond 10,000 hours now, and are prohibited from pulling more than 8G. He said last week one pilot pulled 9.4G and the jet had to go through a full inspection and was cleared a day before the air show.
8G is still a ton for a fighter aicraft, I dont really see the issue. Like, a new SU-27 cant even pull 9G, and a Mig-29 tends to have poor build quality, so you dont want to pull that much to sustain the airframe. Like, anything above 7G is extreme dogfight stuff. Not really that relevant.
@@jacobbaumgardner3406 Thats wrong though, you can have FBW-features without purely digital control. F-15s got stability assists. The plane was originally rated 7.3g, but updated to 9g because it got a more aggressive g-limiter in its FCS (flight control system). And its not like you "accidentally" pull that G all the time. If you put a targeting pod under an F-16, you cant pull more than 7.3g. Put a bumb and its 5.5g. Thats how tight the limits are in bombing missions, and clearly it works.
@@termitreter6545 that is not FBW. That's stability assist. No American F-15 has FBW. The new EX does so when they are delivered soon we will finally have it. FBW literally prevents you from over-Ging the aircraft, period, because it's all digital, with input computers and hydraulic or electric actuators. That's why neither the MiG-29 or Su-27 also don't have FBW.
F16 along with the possible weapons they can carry will be the upgrade. Targeting of HARM and other guided munitions. Coupled with longer range SAMs like SAMP/T will help. Also will be able to shoot down drones etc. I think air to air isn't going to be a thing. What the F16 and the ADM-160 MALD will do is create dilemmas for the russian AD.
Just goes to show that a modern F-16 with a good pilot is still one hell of a hot fighter. The prototype YF-16 first flew 49 years ago. Kudos to the original design team: Robert H. Widmer and his General Dynamics team of engineers.
Na, it only show that AI in a game are stupid…In the first attack Russia would have lost zero planes because they wouldn’t follow the missiles and get close to the F-16 and in the second attack the entire “game” were faked from the start, this version of F-16 will never be sent to Ukraine, USA does not have them and the only nations in NATO that have them have somewhere around 20-25 of them.
As others have pointed out, neither side is really interested in a pitched high-altitude BVR fight right now, due to SAM saturation in the theatre. The Su-35s would be in a lot more trouble during this fight if Ukraines SAM net was giving them a headache. Would be interesting to see this fight redone entirely on the deck, with a flight ceiling enforced by Patriot and S-300. In theory, it could rob the Su-35 of it's range advantage.
What MLU-version is this? The danish F16’s are tape6.5, and have used aim9x and HMD for more than a decade, and aim120D since 2018. I’m afraid you got this dangerously wrong.
Yes this an issue, the one that's going to Ukraine is a mix of F-16's that's upgraded to block 50 standards, probably majority of them, with link 16 it's going to be extremely effective in shooting down Russian cruise missiles and drones and doing SEAD.
The range of the better Amraam made a huge difference. That said the range game will change again if you give the Flakers the R37m. You should put drop tanks on the F16s. You almost always see them flying with two, sometimes even 3 tanks.
I love some of the comments. You gentlemen have NO idea how much fun the actual F-15E really is! I wish there was some way I could relate the experience to you. It's one helluva machine that can do everything it was designed to and do it very well!
Hello! From Ukraine, with love ^) I also playing in DCS and my favorite aircraft is F-16. I hoping we will see this plane in ukranian sky vey soon. For us need 48 airplane as F-16 and ofcourse many maverick and GBU ^) Thank you for supporting us. Thank you for Patriot and other items %) Glory to EU!!! Glory to USA!
The Dutch and Danish F-16 MLUs differ mainly in the radars, the Danish have APG-66(v)2a, the Dutch have AN/APG-68(v)9. Otherwise they are very similar. But we must not forget the fact, which cannot be selected in the simulation, that the MLUs were continuously modified by local Danish companies for the improvement of electronic warfare and modified by upgrade "Tape" packages. Dutch and Danish F-16s can also use the AIM-120C7. Ukraine will definitely not get 40-year-old technology. And the essential difference is that the existing Ukrainian MiG-29 and SU-27 are blind and cannot use fully-active guided missiles.
I hardly believe that Ukraine would send LARGE formations of F16s head to head with large Russian formations. Ukraine will fly LOW AND FAST in onesies, twosies.
Imaging without any f-16s been arived Ukrainians still deter russian occupants with mig-29 / su-27. Good confirmation that it's not the plane, it's the pilot.
Quiet an unrealistic scenario. As you said, the F-16 will most likely be used for A2G and have situational data from both ground radar and AWACS. Maybe try a different scenario that involves storm shadow and MALDs. See if the Su-35 can keep up.
@@termitreter6545 The Dutch F-16's are not upgraded to block 50/52's they are the same MLU F-16's Belgium and Portugal operate. Norway even operated older BLOCK 15's.
@@LeonAust Technically they are both correct. Dutch upgraded half their fleet, and have been trying to sell the A's since 2004-ish. They really wanted to buy a few EuroF's or F-35s with the sale money from 100 or so A's.
@@lvrs9903 the Danish MLUs have APG-66(v)2a, the Dutch have AN/APG-68(v)9. Otherwise they are very similar. But we must not forget the fact, that the MLUs were continuously modified by local Danish companies for the improvement of electronic warfare and modified upgrade "Tape" packages. Dutch and Danish F-16s can also use the AIM-120C7.
Birderino was on form for this one!!! Incredible flying sir!! I've been out of town for the last couple of days with family up in the mountains, and we didn't have wifi so I couldn't watch the last few days, but watching this mission was a refreshing a part of coming home!! Great flying as always Grim Reapers!!!
Russian airplanes are largely buffed in DCS; the Ukraine war (as many wars before) showed their limitation; countries that have a mix of Western and Russian planes always end up going for Western after a while: electronics and maintenance of Russian planes are just too poor. When they pitch Western vs SU 30-like planes, Western planes always win in BVR, while SU can match Western in dog fight
the problem there is there are not a lot of mountains. it's very flat you cannot hide. that means an R-37 can easily find you. and that's the advantage the Russians have at this moment. they use the R-37-M/R-37-X at the distance of 200 km and it is Guided by the A-50-U radar surveillance aircraft. not by the MIG-31 and not by the SU-27/30/35.
No it wont, su35 has a superb radar and longest range missile. Very good maneuvering and is working with awacs etc. F16 is not an air superiority fighter either. F16 will get downed. F16 is more of a threat to ground bases rather than air to air threat. Saw actually su35 pilot telegram interview and the guy said they dont really care about f16 because it will not do much more than what currently available jets in ukraine do. People overestimate another overwanked nato vehicle same way bradleys, leopards etc were.
Do you remember at the start of the war how reluctant everyone was to make videos like this? I remember not even wanting to go on the sim because of how horrific it was. I just find it bizarre how desensitized we all are to it now and how normalized war has become.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Even the GR's didn't want to make videos about it, now its a free for all... Guess they have to make money somehow though..
@@BaseSerpentMessmer But you're not aware. Not really. Watching a video game representation of an armed conflict is not the same as watching a bomb blow up the house next door. The problem is that this type of content trivializes the horrible reality of war.
Hey Cap. As a suggestion, even if the Europeans offer F-16 Block 70s, I would re-do this scenario but with the Russians firing the Vympel R-37 from >150km away. So, you're going to have the F-16s going defensive 50% earlier after which the Su-35s will be able to release their R-77-1s - which can be launched from >110km. The Ukrainian F-16s won't stand a chance because you just know that the American aircraft aren't advanced enough - and far fewer in numbers. It's going to be a "Bakhmut in the air".
Isn't Russia's Air to Air Squadrons comprise of like 15% SU-35s, 15% MIG-31s. 15% SU-27s old variants, 20% SU-30s variants and the rest 35% MIG-29s, which they don't seem to use anymore, but still in inventory. Most of the time, wouldn't Ukrainian Aircraft encounter legacy SU-27s, SU-30 etc with old legacy R-27R/T, with the odd but rare SU-35s and MIG-31s long range interceptors? From footage, OSINT sources the majority of SU-27s are still using legacy missiles, with the newer SM variants having only 2 R-77s mounted from pictures.
I'm not worried about the model they receive in the real world. Look at how well Ukraine has been able to keep their Mig-29 numbers up throughout the war despite all of the SAM systems and RU missiles lobbed across the border. Now, essentially triple their air force and give them a platform with native support of HARMS, JDAMS, AIM-120, and better overall sensor package. They've been performing well in the air despite all the disadvantages since day one, so any improvement in gear (and also the NATO training) will result in a much more effective force.
I hate to say it, as my maternal grandfather was IUkrainian, and his wife-my grandmother-Polish… but I absolutely love the Su-35. That is a SERIOUS unit, man.
@@Saffi____ I agree. Mikoyan made some serious workhorses, especially during two periods: the 60s and mid-80s. The MiG-21…what can I say? Most popular fighter jet in the world for at least a decade, I think. Cheap, fast, effective-and good-looking, which never hurts. The MiG-23 and -25 were a bit of a disappointment as air-superiority fighters, but the MiG-29 was a GREAT 4th-Gen fighter. Very nimble, durable, and good-looking. I am looking a bit forward to the…What is it? MiG-41? Sorry, I’m on loads of painkillers; my memory is shite. Design concepts I’ve seen are very attractive… It’s such a bloody shame I’m at right-angles with Russia’s foreign-and domestic-policy.
One interesting thing to note. Last year the Ukrainians managed to shoot down a Su-35 in Ukrainian territory. That wreckage got picked up and sold off to the US Military. Word is the radar in that Su-35 wreckage was relatively intact. If the F-16's being given to Ukraine have jammers on board they'll probably have been given a software update to help with those Russian Radars.
Yeah thats propaganda. A Su variant was downed, dont think there was confirmation that it was a 35 and it was not recovered as the Russian air group was bombing front line UAF units, not a penetration raid. It was near Belgorod.
32:13 foxbat was not made from Stainless stell but from high temperature resistant nickel-steel alloy. The stainless stell will not endure these high temperatures.
I dont like them, because theyre just gibberish. This has no value at all in terms of realism, even if Ukr/Russia tried to fight a silly battle like that. The planes, the missiles and the pilots just dont work like that.
@@LeonAust No its a great game, but this setting doesnt really simulate anything. You can have fun with games, but its kinda presented like an analysis. Not a fan of that bit.
Since theres so much sams in ukraine, both sides are flying close to the ground so the missiles wont have that much range anyway and dogfights are likely so the A variant might be a good plane for the job. Also, F16As are the easiest to bargain for since America doesn't have much use for them anymore, might as well let the ukrainians use em.
Will we see a video on the IRIS-T SLM vs Iskander/Kinzhal that would be intresting as the SLM has a much bigger range and with a much better Radar, than the IRIS-T SLS already shown here? Also its the variant UA operates so that makes it even more intresting.
Very interesting video. Obviously the tech difference is vast, but I think the one guy definitely showed that an excellent pilot can do well against many bad pilots. Of course had the Russians played it smart and just kept the Ukrainians outside their range it would have been a complete and quite perfect massacre.
Why not? Mig 17s shot down an 8 F4 Phantoms during the Vietnam war. It should also be noted that a Mig 17 shot down an F8 Crusader, the plane everyone calls "The last gunfighter," but _the F8 only used guns for two of all of its kills_ , with all of the rest being from the primary weapon, the AIM 9D sidewinder. So much for being the last gunfighter. It was never designed to be a "Gunfighter" it was always intended that it would be a missile fighter, and the war record shows that this is exactly what it was. The last US Gun kill was in the 1990s when an A10 shot down an Iraqi helicopter.
We'll probably see a Ogden war situation were the danish and Norwegiab am models will be used for sead, anti shipping, and bombing runs. While the dutch c variants will act as air to air fighters.
I love these videos but we now know the Russians have extremely over exaggerated the capabilities they have and DCS has taken them at their word most likely because of its original Russian development. I suggest you always run these with the Russians set at rookie otherwise they really can’t be taken seriously
But the Ukraine pilot with the 4-12 weeks training on a new aircraft should be expert? Russian Su-35 pilots have been operating in this conflict for 12 months that experience is invaluable
@Galucius It's not even the same sport. And the cream of the IJN air wing was destroyed at Midway in 1942 with only the Shokaku as the sole survivor of Pearl Harbour attack. By the time of the Philippines sea "Marianas turkey shoot" was 2 years later! Air combat has changed an awful lot since...the 1940s.
@@lukewhitehouse4103 have you seen them bomb the wrong targets? Everything the Russians do is a joke. Now I know the trump/Putin crowd had higher expectations
R-37's are relatively low pk at max ranges, there's reports of it getting a kill at 170km on an Su27, an Ukrainian pilot named "Juice" who said they're a threat but not in the sense of getting killed, more like having to defend all the time and essentially failing to do their sorties, R-77-1's being more of a threat due to better kinematics than the R-37 and overall better pk even tho they're shot at closer ranges compared to the R-37, R-77M is seen rarely on RU jets, Su57's and some Su35's have it, R-77-1 is still their main go to missiles.
@Ash Blythe The fact they have achieved kills is a reason why Ukraine has to take the threat seriously. If the missile had been a "dud" the Ukrainian pilots would not have defend against it. Soviet era RWR is limited in its capacity and with no data link they can't know when they have been fired upon. Like the S350/S400 they been effective at suppressing Ukrainian aircraft.
Don't ask me how I know but chemical missile engines become less effective over time and are regularly replaced by ground facilities. All western airforces that use heritage weapons are doing this, therefore operational parameters of missiles are usually as factory. In a period of war these usage rates would eventually have all missiles at premium performance.
What we'd like to see are scenarios where the F-16A can take off, fly a mission where they launch a few HARMs and maybe hit a target of opportunity or secondary target with laser-guided or JDAM bombs...all flying low and fast and avoiding potential SAMs and then landing again. No one is imagining or worrying about Su35s or Su57s dogfighting with them. The fact is, Ukraine's been flying sorties with ancient MiG-29s that are WAY worse than MLU F-16s since the war started, and have been surviving and being successful. How much of an improvement would MLU F-16s be over those MiG-29s?
I hereby nominate wingman, Fly for the Grim Reapers Medal of Honor on this US Memorial Day for a total Chad move. After executing the mission with extreme prejudice, downing several combatant airframes and selflessly defending fellow aircraft and pilots. Fly, after exhausting all armaments ran out of fuel over disputed waters. Rather than landing safely on an enemy runway, becoming a POW. Fly sacrifice himself into the sea to avoid capture and the enemy securing secret assets and airframe. With tremendous valor and diligence Fly, put the mission, his wingmen, his country before himself. For This I nominate Fly, for the GrimReapers Medal of Honor.
This F-16 is barely an improvement over the MiG-29! I thought the entire idea of obtaining F-16s was that they might have radars and missiles that can contend with Flankers at BVR-or at least not be completely steamrolled. This kind of pisses me off.
Think about what other things you can launch from F-16 thats far more important than dogfighting or BVR air to air. F-16 can interface with pretty much every NATO Air2Ground weapon in the arsenal. You dont need BVR air to air use for the F16A since Ukraine is a anti-air nightmare for russian planes. You want it as launching platform for Stormshadow, JDAM-ER, SDB, SCALPER, Maverick, Paveways, Anti radiation weapons like HARM, decoys like MALD.
The idea of the falcons is to maintain the (often one way trip) strike capability of the AFU... which has burned the entire left-over stock of post-soviet airframes in NATO possession already. They'd be operating 250+ donated airframes right now if they weren't being spent nearly as soon as they deploy, and it's evident they don't have that number. The falcons might not even get aim-120s and be just for tracking shahed in the west, and that's IF they get to the country and last longer than a week. Quite simply, without a whole lot of extras assisting them (AWACs, Growlers and F-35s for example) and the absolute bleeding edge in BVR on their wings, the F-16 is not capable of contesting for superiority in that airspace. Not to mention the type of airfield US planes need which would not exist for longer than 24 hours after its first scramble. They will struggle simply being run from highways outside of Lviv, let alone in the 10 to 1 (if they get 48) winner take all airshow the media (but definitely not Austin or Milley) are imagining. What's not accounted for here is that the Russians DO have near equivalents of all of that gear (minus the stealth) and dozens of near-proximity airstrips, and multiple full blown airbases to pick before going bingo, and the falcons alone would have to be above their AA to range the flankers. That above mention nightmare is very mutual. Choosing to be a pilot in ukraine is lunacy, tbh Imagine being an AFU pilot, losing all coms with the ground and then realizing your return airstrip is now in Romania. This happens A LOT. Not exactly sticking around to to do dogfights at WEP in that scenario.
@@goodale1812 Well said the impact of 60+ F-16 Block 30 with hundreds of flight hours will be absolutely minimal. Ukraine currently operate from rotating airfields so to keep Russia guessing...You cant do that with an F-16. You cant have this small selection of parts, maintenance crew scattered round Ukraine. As soon as Ukraine starts to prepare Airfields for the F-16, pulling weeds and re tarmacking Russia will know and target it. Flankers the Su-35 has been shooting down Ukrainian MiG 29 with the R-37 from 120nm. There is nothing an F-16 can do to counter that. That's not taking into account Ukraines pilots will have a maximum of 4-12 weeks training on this aircraft! It's a fantasy and it's wrong to throw away pilots in an airframe they are not experienced in for little to no gain.
As much fun as this is to speculate, let's be a little bit more realistic. Russia will NOT want to get into a basic Air-to-Air war over time because they know that it isn't JUST the aircraft that Ukraine has, but the SAM/Patriot systems being used as well. Basically, the F-16's would be running under the blanket of SAM/Patriot systems, INCLUDING shoulder-launched SAM systems and vehicle SAM systems, PLUS ground AA systems. The Ukrainians would fly LOW, allowing their ground forces to also be available to back them up. And being focused more on Air-to-Ground runs than straight up Air-to-Air, the F-16's could also be used to "bait" Russians to send their aircraft. And this seems MORE likely, considering that F-16's would basically make any Russian use of helicopters nearly impossible. The Russians would be forces to DEDICATE some aircraft into protecting the helicopters, which itself places those aircraft at risk to the F-16's, the SAM/Patriot systems, AA systems and shoulder-launched/vehicle-launched systems.
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In round one, the Vipers scored a few kills but got swatted like flies. In round two, the Vipers pulled off a pyrrhic victory. The SU-35s probably would've fared better in round two if they were packing some R-37s.
The limiting factors that you can't really model here are the lack of training of Russian pilots and ground crews, faulty and broken equipment, and the sheer incompetency of Russian command. If the F-16s are used well they can overcome the tech difference they can prove very useful. And let's not forgot that the Russians can't build new jets never mind maintaining exisiting ones, so while the west can keep supplying Ukraine, the Russians have a true hard limit on what they've got.
@@lukewhitehouse4103 If watching DCS videos has taught me anything, it is that just a few seconds of hesitation can be fatal. So I think you are right if Ukrainians are the ones flying the F-16s. It will be a whole different ballgame if experienced western "volunteers" are flying the F-16s. This situation reminds me of the Korean War when Russian "volunteer" pilots flew many of the Mig-15s for North Korea.
@@lukewhitehouse4103 I think the Ukrainians have been training a lot longer than publically mentioned on the F-16 not to mention any western volunteer pilots or even Ukrainians in the Usaf that might want to go back. Lots of stuff we don't see.
@@Pahanrost Член Путина со вкусом мяты? Кажется, тебе это нравится. No propaganda here. Just the wonderful evidence that Russia couldn't overwhelm a small and far less armed nation and is currently awash in mass casualties. Pre internet and live reporting you could get away with the bullshit you Russian shills spew, but in this day and age you really need to step up beyond screaming "Nah, Bro! Russia rules".
don't the interceptor rockets have a limited apogee and once come down can't go up again? I mean can't one just pitch their plane down low for a bit then straight up fly vertical for and have the rocket fall beneath them as the rocket fails fail to regain the now higher needed altitude of the plane after a certain point ?
What exactly was the difference? Shouldn´t the AIM-120 C5 have range 105 km and R-77-1 110 km, so basically the same, and the lack of radar power be compensated by the AWACS? Or the old F16s can't fire on datalink?
A yankee hero, your arrogance will be your downfall , I'd like to see how long ANY non-Russian jet lasts in the air when the S-500 picks them up and shoots them all down, you feeling like a hero now?.
The actual use/need for the F16 in Ukraine is that the NATO armaments are not compatible with the Ukranian Migs. All of the NATO arms used recently in the air has been preprogrammed before attachment to their aircraft - no on board guidance, targeting, direction. If the target has relocated its mission fail/abort. The primary purpose of the F16s is as a launch platform for the NATO weapons, mostly air to ground.
Was thinking that one way a Pilot might Augment Plane's Radar might be to use the (possibly) higher Range of his Smart Munitions... Dunno if possible, but worth a think✈🚀💥 Love watching y'all "play".. If I were younger and still had the dexterity in my hands I might consider this as my next Sim Game👍👈
I love your sense of humour guys! But all good and neutral analysis of probable outcomes. Let hope they don't reach this level and find peace before all these possible scenarios happen.
Same goes for Ukraine with a bit less Sam coverage, why do you think Russians are just lobbing R-37's from far away and not coming close to the front lines? If Russians had actual capabilities to conduct SEAD and EW to go with it, Ukraine would be fked, thankfully they don't.
@@kermittoad I disagree, Ukraine has practically ran out of Soviet era air defense and are fully dependent on western SAMs which are crazy expensive and are too precious to lose PR wise so they only deply them in Kiev and other very sensitive infrastructure leaving the front lines devoid of any SAM coverage which is evidenced by the recent large activity of the VKS on the front lines and the usage of glide FABs
@@kermittoad By the way, i assume you haven't seen the footage of drones hunting Ukrainian S300s and other SAMs the Ukrainians can't bring their SAMs close to the front lines because they become easy prey for the Russian Lancet drones, they have also been conducting SEAD and EW operations for a year now you just haven't heard about it, just 15 days ago they hunted down a patriot battery
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Many people are worried about the F-16MLU's ability to stack up against russian jets, but thats not the reason Ukraine wants them. NATO's arsenal has always consisted largely of air launched munitions for ground strikes, instead of ground launched. For every ground launched system like HIMARS, NATO countries will have 5 different ones from the air.
Its a struggle but has been successful integrating some of those into Ukraines legacy aicraft (MiG29 with HARM, SU24 with STORMSHADOW). But giving Ukriane F16MLU's or obsolete Tornado's will give it a ready to use launching platform for practically every air to ground strike weapon in western inventories.
From Storm Shadow, to Small-Diameter glide Bombs, to JDAM-ER, Paveways, JSOWs. But also HARM and MALDs.
"been successful integrating some of those into Ukraines legacy aicraft (MiG29 with HARM, SU24 with STORMSHADOW). "
lol they got programmed on the ground the aircraft just shoot it in the general direction of the target and does nothing else..and keep in mind there are tons of SAMs out there who just wait for a chance to shot down a high flying target
The infrastructure Ukraine requires to operate the F-16 is not there. The Radar is outdated offers them limited capability increase over the MiG 29 (EAWACS) aircraft are already providing targeting data for these weapon systems.
The biggest problem is the F-16 Block 30s they will receive will require so much maintenance per flight hour. I was talking to a an ex crew chief on the F-16 and simply put the tolerances required have to be perfect. It took this person 10 months to train Iraqi air force ground crew to work on the F-16.
As documented these aircraft cannot operate off Ukraine's air fields, the Russians are going to know as soon as Ukraine start to pull the weeds off the runways and re tarmac them!
finally 4 months training isn't enough, ex Viper drivers agree 10 - 12 months at a minimum! The cockpit layout, muscle memory you cant just convert to this kind of aircraft in 4 weeks.
@@lukewhitehouse4103 Do you genuinely think training Iraqi ground crews is comparable to training Ukrainian ground crews? This isn’t a comment on ethnicity/racism, but of motivation. I think Ukrainian ground crews are likely to be far better motivated and dedicated given the circumstances.
@PreserveOurPBFs
Yes I don't believe Ukraine like Russian tech crew are any more capable.
Its not they don't have the ability to adapt and learn It's they are used to their own systems and methods. Ukrainian ground crew working on Soviet era aircraft will
Have habits they won't easily be able to break.
Soviet aircraft have much lower tolerances. It has a very it will do mentality. You do that with a Viper you torque a bolt incorrectly you load the gun incorrectly you will destroy that aircraft.
You load a MiG 29 or torque a bolt wrong it won't drop out of the sky.
Soviet era aircraft are designed for conscripts maintenance teams, designed to be easy to work on, have a real lack of composte/specialist alloys unlike their Western counterparts
@@preserveourpbfs7128 скоро они пилоткой маминой накроются эти укропитеки, вместе со своим зелей наркоманом. А когда это произойдет, мы отпразднуем победу. 🇷🇺
Glad most of the guys are back. Watching the German Fly shenanigans is always entertaining. Ditching the plane rather than landing in Russia was hilarious.
German is SO GOOD
Cannot blame him.
Glad your covering the F-16 but I don't think either side will focus on dog fighting or targeting each others Jets. In fact I'm pretty sure Ukraine would try to avoid this.
if they get their brand new f16s shot down by russian jets and sams, America is likely not going to send more western jets
I think it's addressed roughly halfway through the video
@@XxiSuckAtNamesxXo actually the su 35 is better in dog fighting
And the 2 countries are not going to just all this plane to kill one person and die
Ukraine still don't have an answer to the R-37
@@lukewhitehouse4103 R-37 is mostly propaganda, its easily decoyed and is mostly useful against not very manueverable targets such as tankers and awacs. plus R-37s are not that useful in a scenario like ukraine. If russia wants to use R-37s, they must be fired inside russian borders or they would get shot at by Ukrainian sams and ukrainian pilots are flying low so russia's standoff capability is kind of neglected. russian missiles basically have the same range as ukrainian ones when they are both fired on the deck
Don’t the F16s have the data-link so that the forward aircraft can send the radar views to the rear planes?
Yes they do.
@@carstenpedersen3200 is this modeled in the sim?
@@robertgreen94 No it's not, in DCS they can only send the contact's approximate location, via Link-16 to other F16s in their flight, which shows them where to point their own radars to try and pick it up.
@@mortlet5180 well that’s a shame. Ok GR team, go fix that in the game and the you can call it GRLink 😁
yes BUT these old missiles can not be fired on datalinked contacts, they need guidance from the firing plane.
I think the Russian Su 35s will carry not only the P 77 1 but also the p 37 which have a range of about 150 miles
On your airframe life and G limits, I actually had a chat with a crew chief of an F-15 ANG unit here on the American west coast and he said that these F-15C’s are beyond 10,000 hours now, and are prohibited from pulling more than 8G. He said last week one pilot pulled 9.4G and the jet had to go through a full inspection and was cleared a day before the air show.
Yup, age matters! Ukraine is getting VERY OLD F-16s 😮
8G is still a ton for a fighter aicraft, I dont really see the issue. Like, a new SU-27 cant even pull 9G, and a Mig-29 tends to have poor build quality, so you dont want to pull that much to sustain the airframe.
Like, anything above 7G is extreme dogfight stuff. Not really that relevant.
@@termitreter6545 the issue is that there’s no FBW, so the 8G can and is pushed as I mentioned in my comments.
@@jacobbaumgardner3406 Thats wrong though, you can have FBW-features without purely digital control.
F-15s got stability assists. The plane was originally rated 7.3g, but updated to 9g because it got a more aggressive g-limiter in its FCS (flight control system).
And its not like you "accidentally" pull that G all the time. If you put a targeting pod under an F-16, you cant pull more than 7.3g. Put a bumb and its 5.5g. Thats how tight the limits are in bombing missions, and clearly it works.
@@termitreter6545 that is not FBW. That's stability assist. No American F-15 has FBW. The new EX does so when they are delivered soon we will finally have it.
FBW literally prevents you from over-Ging the aircraft, period, because it's all digital, with input computers and hydraulic or electric actuators. That's why neither the MiG-29 or Su-27 also don't have FBW.
F16 along with the possible weapons they can carry will be the upgrade. Targeting of HARM and other guided munitions. Coupled with longer range SAMs like SAMP/T will help. Also will be able to shoot down drones etc. I think air to air isn't going to be a thing. What the F16 and the ADM-160 MALD will do is create dilemmas for the russian AD.
Just goes to show that a modern F-16 with a good pilot is still one hell of a hot fighter. The prototype YF-16 first flew 49 years ago. Kudos to the original design team: Robert H. Widmer and his General Dynamics team of engineers.
Na, it only show that AI in a game are stupid…In the first attack Russia would have lost zero planes because they wouldn’t follow the missiles and get close to the F-16 and in the second attack the entire “game” were faked from the start, this version of F-16 will never be sent to Ukraine, USA does not have them and the only nations in NATO that have them have somewhere around 20-25 of them.
49 Years Ago? Jesus christ.
As others have pointed out, neither side is really interested in a pitched high-altitude BVR fight right now, due to SAM saturation in the theatre. The Su-35s would be in a lot more trouble during this fight if Ukraines SAM net was giving them a headache.
Would be interesting to see this fight redone entirely on the deck, with a flight ceiling enforced by Patriot and S-300. In theory, it could rob the Su-35 of it's range advantage.
What MLU-version is this?
The danish F16’s are tape6.5, and have used aim9x and HMD for more than a decade, and aim120D since 2018.
I’m afraid you got this dangerously wrong.
Yes this an issue, the one that's going to Ukraine is a mix of F-16's that's upgraded to block 50 standards, probably majority of them, with link 16 it's going to be extremely effective in shooting down Russian cruise missiles and drones and doing SEAD.
It's an older MLU we have in game, no HMD or AIM-120D.
The range of the better Amraam made a huge difference. That said the range game will change again if you give the Flakers the R37m. You should put drop tanks on the F16s. You almost always see them flying with two, sometimes even 3 tanks.
I love some of the comments. You gentlemen have NO idea how much fun the actual F-15E really is! I wish there was some way I could relate the experience to you. It's one helluva machine that can do everything it was designed to and do it very well!
Great video on differing plane capabilities, Cap - bonus points for Fly's great comedy throughout
Thanks man
Hello! From Ukraine, with love ^) I also playing in DCS and my favorite aircraft is F-16. I hoping we will see this plane in ukranian sky vey soon. For us need 48 airplane as F-16 and ofcourse many maverick and GBU ^) Thank you for supporting us. Thank you for Patriot and other items %) Glory to EU!!! Glory to USA!
Glory to Russia
The Dutch and Danish F-16 MLUs differ mainly in the radars, the Danish have APG-66(v)2a, the Dutch have AN/APG-68(v)9. Otherwise they are very similar. But we must not forget the fact, which cannot be selected in the simulation, that the MLUs were continuously modified by local Danish companies for the improvement of electronic warfare and modified by upgrade "Tape" packages. Dutch and Danish F-16s can also use the AIM-120C7. Ukraine will definitely not get 40-year-old technology. And the essential difference is that the existing Ukrainian MiG-29 and SU-27 are blind and cannot use fully-active guided missiles.
Good to hear Fly back, along with Cap (obviously), Simba, Grumpnik, and Damp, he’s a favorite of mine!
Thanks man ❤
Yay FLY
@@FlybywireTheGerman By far my favourite German!
I hardly believe that Ukraine would send LARGE formations of F16s head to head with large Russian formations. Ukraine will fly LOW AND FAST in onesies, twosies.
"onsies, twosies", LOL. Are you by any chance from Fargo, North Dakota?
Imaging without any f-16s been arived Ukrainians still deter russian occupants with mig-29 / su-27. Good confirmation that it's not the plane, it's the pilot.
Quiet an unrealistic scenario. As you said, the F-16 will most likely be used for A2G and have situational data from both ground radar and AWACS. Maybe try a different scenario that involves storm shadow and MALDs. See if the Su-35 can keep up.
Just an FYI the MLU F-16 also operates the AIM-9X. Example: Belgian Air Force on QRA
The dutch F-16s are upgraded to block 50/52 standards, so its pretty misleading to pretend those are just like the old F-16s.
@@termitreter6545 The Dutch F-16's are not upgraded to block 50/52's they are the same MLU F-16's Belgium and Portugal operate. Norway even operated older BLOCK 15's.
@@termitreter6545 They have no clue these guys
@@LeonAust Technically they are both correct. Dutch upgraded half their fleet, and have been trying to sell the A's since 2004-ish. They really wanted to buy a few EuroF's or F-35s with the sale money from 100 or so A's.
@@lvrs9903 the Danish MLUs have APG-66(v)2a, the Dutch have AN/APG-68(v)9. Otherwise they are very similar. But we must not forget the fact, that the MLUs were continuously modified by local Danish companies for the improvement of electronic warfare and modified upgrade "Tape" packages. Dutch and Danish F-16s can also use the AIM-120C7.
0:14"Alright boys we did it!"
Birderino was on form for this one!!! Incredible flying sir!! I've been out of town for the last couple of days with family up in the mountains, and we didn't have wifi so I couldn't watch the last few days, but watching this mission was a refreshing a part of coming home!! Great flying as always Grim Reapers!!!
How accurate is the assumption that the Russian Su-35s are well maintained with everything working properly?
I wonder about that.
Probably NOTHING works.
Their constant use and success in Ukraine says a lot. What makes you think they aren't working properly?
Russian airplanes are largely buffed in DCS; the Ukraine war (as many wars before) showed their limitation; countries that have a mix of Western and Russian planes always end up going for Western after a while: electronics and maintenance of Russian planes are just too poor. When they pitch Western vs SU 30-like planes, Western planes always win in BVR, while SU can match Western in dog fight
They are perfectly maintained.
@@Xeno7771 Yes... just like their tanks.
A big problem is... Russia air defence system and electronic warfare.. Russian Su-35M or Su-57 is another problem.
Yeah it would be a problem the Ruskies would be too busy dodging their own sams
the problem there is there are not a lot of mountains.
it's very flat you cannot hide.
that means an R-37 can easily find you.
and that's the advantage the Russians have at this moment.
they use the R-37-M/R-37-X at the distance of 200 km
and it is Guided by the A-50-U radar surveillance aircraft.
not by the MIG-31 and not by the SU-27/30/35.
Radar. It all comes down to detection and identification ranges.
No it wont, su35 has a superb radar and longest range missile. Very good maneuvering and is working with awacs etc. F16 is not an air superiority fighter either. F16 will get downed. F16 is more of a threat to ground bases rather than air to air threat. Saw actually su35 pilot telegram interview and the guy said they dont really care about f16 because it will not do much more than what currently available jets in ukraine do. People overestimate another overwanked nato vehicle same way bradleys, leopards etc were.
I think seing how well the vipers could operate, when facing against modern russian air defences, would be interesting now
Yes please!
I really don't think that the Russians have that many Advanced Adders for there Su-35. OH love to see a single Raptor agents a wing of russian bombers
I think they have lots of R-77-1, it's the R-77M that they are lacking in any numbers. I stand to be corrected as ever.
Do you remember at the start of the war how reluctant everyone was to make videos like this? I remember not even wanting to go on the sim because of how horrific it was. I just find it bizarre how desensitized we all are to it now and how normalized war has become.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Even the GR's didn't want to make videos about it, now its a free for all... Guess they have to make money somehow though..
That's good way to make videos, don't see anything bad in this
@@Extirpaterussianssame, better to be aware rather than sticking your head in the sand
@@BaseSerpentMessmer But you're not aware. Not really. Watching a video game representation of an armed conflict is not the same as watching a bomb blow up the house next door. The problem is that this type of content trivializes the horrible reality of war.
Humans get used to war worryingly fast.
Love your videos
The commentary for this one was freaking hilarious! Well done guys!!
Hey Cap. As a suggestion, even if the Europeans offer F-16 Block 70s, I would re-do this scenario but with the Russians firing the Vympel R-37 from >150km away. So, you're going to have the F-16s going defensive 50% earlier after which the Su-35s will be able to release their R-77-1s - which can be launched from >110km.
The Ukrainian F-16s won't stand a chance because you just know that the American aircraft aren't advanced enough - and far fewer in numbers. It's going to be a "Bakhmut in the air".
Isn't Russia's Air to Air Squadrons comprise of like 15% SU-35s, 15% MIG-31s. 15% SU-27s old variants, 20% SU-30s variants and the rest 35% MIG-29s, which they don't seem to use anymore, but still in inventory. Most of the time, wouldn't Ukrainian Aircraft encounter legacy SU-27s, SU-30 etc with old legacy R-27R/T, with the odd but rare SU-35s and MIG-31s long range interceptors? From footage, OSINT sources the majority of SU-27s are still using legacy missiles, with the newer SM variants having only 2 R-77s mounted from pictures.
I'm not worried about the model they receive in the real world. Look at how well Ukraine has been able to keep their Mig-29 numbers up throughout the war despite all of the SAM systems and RU missiles lobbed across the border. Now, essentially triple their air force and give them a platform with native support of HARMS, JDAMS, AIM-120, and better overall sensor package. They've been performing well in the air despite all the disadvantages since day one, so any improvement in gear (and also the NATO training) will result in a much more effective force.
Fly, Cap , Matrix, Violet amongst my best Grim reaper's
Did you all model the DRFM jammers that the SU35 might use against aim120s?
I hate to say it, as my maternal grandfather was IUkrainian, and his wife-my grandmother-Polish… but I absolutely love the Su-35. That is a SERIOUS unit, man.
Yeah I've always been impressed with Sukhoi's works, though it is quite sad their rival Mikoyan has been falling behind slightly.
@@Saffi____ I agree. Mikoyan made some serious workhorses, especially during two periods: the 60s and mid-80s. The MiG-21…what can I say? Most popular fighter jet in the world for at least a decade, I think. Cheap, fast, effective-and good-looking, which never hurts. The MiG-23 and -25 were a bit of a disappointment as air-superiority fighters, but the MiG-29 was a GREAT 4th-Gen fighter. Very nimble, durable, and good-looking. I am looking a bit forward to the…What is it? MiG-41? Sorry, I’m on loads of painkillers; my memory is shite. Design concepts I’ve seen are very attractive…
It’s such a bloody shame I’m at right-angles with Russia’s foreign-and domestic-policy.
Growling Sidewinder also does this kind of matchup pretty often. Another place to check it out. The pilot is important.
@32:00 I think that you all were intending to discuss the MiG-25, not the SU-25, big difference in planes.
Love flies never surrender.
Straight into the sea 😂
Thanks for the interesting video, it really highlights how tech has changed over the decades and why even a small edge in tech can really matter.
One interesting thing to note. Last year the Ukrainians managed to shoot down a Su-35 in Ukrainian territory. That wreckage got picked up and sold off to the US Military. Word is the radar in that Su-35 wreckage was relatively intact. If the F-16's being given to Ukraine have jammers on board they'll probably have been given a software update to help with those Russian Radars.
Yeah thats propaganda. A Su variant was downed, dont think there was confirmation that it was a 35 and it was not recovered as the Russian air group was bombing front line UAF units, not a penetration raid. It was near Belgorod.
32:13 foxbat was not made from Stainless stell but from high temperature resistant nickel-steel alloy.
The stainless stell will not endure these high temperatures.
I think the 25 was made from stainless steel but the 31 was made from the resistant alloy
@@yurackjung9321 MiG-25 was 80% made from VNS-2, VNS-14 and SN-3 steel alloys. The MIG-31 from 50%, remaining was Al-Cu alloys and Titanium.
@@chosearmandoarmando3864 hmm interesting you learn something everyday
yeah thanks for that info man allways something to learn😃
33:30 the real question is, does it have the anti-sattelite missile it once used?
it never had that, the Anti Sat Missile was desined for the F-15C who is the only Amercan Aircraft with the power at that time
That is the f15 not 16
@@Nr15121 like it was the topic of the video at that time
I love these analyses of hypothetical real-world scenarios
I dont like them, because theyre just gibberish. This has no value at all in terms of realism, even if Ukr/Russia tried to fight a silly battle like that. The planes, the missiles and the pilots just dont work like that.
@@termitreter6545 Very true it's a ridiculous little boys game
@@LeonAust No its a great game, but this setting doesnt really simulate anything.
You can have fun with games, but its kinda presented like an analysis. Not a fan of that bit.
Since theres so much sams in ukraine, both sides are flying close to the ground so the missiles wont have that much range anyway and dogfights are likely so the A variant might be a good plane for the job. Also, F16As are the easiest to bargain for since America doesn't have much use for them anymore, might as well let the ukrainians use em.
Will we see a video on the IRIS-T SLM vs Iskander/Kinzhal that would be intresting as the SLM has a much bigger range and with a much better Radar, than the IRIS-T SLS already shown here?
Also its the variant UA operates so that makes it even more intresting.
Very interesting video. Obviously the tech difference is vast, but I think the one guy definitely showed that an excellent pilot can do well against many bad pilots. Of course had the Russians played it smart and just kept the Ukrainians outside their range it would have been a complete and quite perfect massacre.
Love the Red October reference.
Why not? Mig 17s shot down an 8 F4 Phantoms during the Vietnam war. It should also be noted that a Mig 17 shot down an F8 Crusader, the plane everyone calls "The last gunfighter," but _the F8 only used guns for two of all of its kills_ , with all of the rest being from the primary weapon, the AIM 9D sidewinder. So much for being the last gunfighter. It was never designed to be a "Gunfighter" it was always intended that it would be a missile fighter, and the war record shows that this is exactly what it was. The last US Gun kill was in the 1990s when an A10 shot down an Iraqi helicopter.
Request for future scenario: Ukraine F-16 SEAD mission against Russian ground air defense.
We'll probably see a Ogden war situation were the danish and Norwegiab am models will be used for sead, anti shipping, and bombing runs. While the dutch c variants will act as air to air fighters.
Interesting thing about the MiG 25, only Russian jet to ever score a kill on an American 4th gen fighter
I love these videos but we now know the Russians have extremely over exaggerated the capabilities they have and DCS has taken them at their word most likely because of its original Russian development. I suggest you always run these with the Russians set at rookie otherwise they really can’t be taken seriously
But the Ukraine pilot with the 4-12 weeks training on a new aircraft should be expert? Russian Su-35 pilots have been operating in this conflict for 12 months that experience is invaluable
@@lukewhitehouse4103 Just like the experienced Japanese pilot in the Marianas against the rookie Americans.... oh wait.
@Galucius It's not even the same sport.
And the cream of the IJN air wing was destroyed at Midway in 1942 with only the Shokaku as the sole survivor of Pearl Harbour attack. By the time of the Philippines sea "Marianas turkey shoot" was 2 years later!
Air combat has changed an awful lot since...the 1940s.
@@lukewhitehouse4103 have you seen them bomb the wrong targets? Everything the Russians do is a joke. Now I know the trump/Putin crowd had higher expectations
Was told that the F-16s can fly using hydrogen fuel which produces little heat signature. If true this is very interesting
you could use r37m and r77m combos mate
Yeah the R-37 has been very impressive in Ukraine, but that would just give the F-16 no chance. Not great for a video.
R-37's are relatively low pk at max ranges, there's reports of it getting a kill at 170km on an Su27, an Ukrainian pilot named "Juice" who said they're a threat but not in the sense of getting killed, more like having to defend all the time and essentially failing to do their sorties, R-77-1's being more of a threat due to better kinematics than the R-37 and overall better pk even tho they're shot at closer ranges compared to the R-37, R-77M is seen rarely on RU jets, Su57's and some Su35's have it, R-77-1 is still their main go to missiles.
@Ash Blythe The fact they have achieved kills is a reason why Ukraine has to take the threat seriously.
If the missile had been a "dud" the Ukrainian pilots would not have defend against it.
Soviet era RWR is limited in its capacity and with no data link they can't know when they have been fired upon.
Like the S350/S400 they been effective at suppressing Ukrainian aircraft.
F-16's wouldn't even get a shot off I doubt :(
Don't ask me how I know but chemical missile engines become less effective over time and are regularly replaced by ground facilities.
All western airforces that use heritage weapons are doing this, therefore operational parameters of missiles are usually as factory.
In a period of war these usage rates would eventually have all missiles at premium performance.
Just "proves" the older F16's are NOT the answer. Thanks GR!
With these tactics, no.
How far back from the frontlines are the Russian CAP flights?
Currently during this war
Can someone answer this: Why do these F-16's have non-symmetrical load outs?
I wondered the same thing.
We carried one aim9 just in case we got in too close for aim120's. Not as asymmetrical as you'd thunk it would be.
I always thought this, but if you look at the SU27-25 etc....They have an F-16 front and a F-15 wings and back basically
What we'd like to see are scenarios where the F-16A can take off, fly a mission where they launch a few HARMs and maybe hit a target of opportunity or secondary target with laser-guided or JDAM bombs...all flying low and fast and avoiding potential SAMs and then landing again. No one is imagining or worrying about Su35s or Su57s dogfighting with them. The fact is, Ukraine's been flying sorties with ancient MiG-29s that are WAY worse than MLU F-16s since the war started, and have been surviving and being successful. How much of an improvement would MLU F-16s be over those MiG-29s?
The F-15Es out of Okinawa have anti shipping missile load outs. They can load 5 JASM/LRASMs and 4 AIM 120s.
I hereby nominate wingman, Fly for the Grim Reapers Medal of Honor on this US Memorial Day for a total Chad move. After executing the mission with extreme prejudice, downing several combatant airframes and selflessly defending fellow aircraft and pilots. Fly, after exhausting all armaments ran out of fuel over disputed waters. Rather than landing safely on an enemy runway, becoming a POW. Fly sacrifice himself into the sea to avoid capture and the enemy securing secret assets and airframe. With tremendous valor and diligence Fly, put the mission, his wingmen, his country before himself. For This I nominate Fly, for the GrimReapers Medal of Honor.
FLY is back - yay! 😊
How do the rockets maneuver? Do they have gimballing engines or are they rotating the grid fins (not simulated in DCS)?
Thrust vectoring
This F-16 is barely an improvement over the MiG-29! I thought the entire idea of obtaining F-16s was that they might have radars and missiles that can contend with Flankers at BVR-or at least not be completely steamrolled. This kind of pisses me off.
Think about what other things you can launch from F-16 thats far more important than dogfighting or BVR air to air. F-16 can interface with pretty much every NATO Air2Ground weapon in the arsenal. You dont need BVR air to air use for the F16A since Ukraine is a anti-air nightmare for russian planes.
You want it as launching platform for Stormshadow, JDAM-ER, SDB, SCALPER, Maverick, Paveways, Anti radiation weapons like HARM, decoys like MALD.
The idea of the falcons is to maintain the (often one way trip) strike capability of the AFU... which has burned the entire left-over stock of post-soviet airframes in NATO possession already. They'd be operating 250+ donated airframes right now if they weren't being spent nearly as soon as they deploy, and it's evident they don't have that number. The falcons might not even get aim-120s and be just for tracking shahed in the west, and that's IF they get to the country and last longer than a week.
Quite simply, without a whole lot of extras assisting them (AWACs, Growlers and F-35s for example) and the absolute bleeding edge in BVR on their wings, the F-16 is not capable of contesting for superiority in that airspace.
Not to mention the type of airfield US planes need which would not exist for longer than 24 hours after its first scramble. They will struggle simply being run from highways outside of Lviv, let alone in the 10 to 1 (if they get 48) winner take all airshow the media (but definitely not Austin or Milley) are imagining.
What's not accounted for here is that the Russians DO have near equivalents of all of that gear (minus the stealth) and dozens of near-proximity airstrips, and multiple full blown airbases to pick before going bingo, and the falcons alone would have to be above their AA to range the flankers. That above mention nightmare is very mutual. Choosing to be a pilot in ukraine is lunacy, tbh
Imagine being an AFU pilot, losing all coms with the ground and then realizing your return airstrip is now in Romania. This happens A LOT.
Not exactly sticking around to to do dogfights at WEP in that scenario.
@@goodale1812 Well said the impact of 60+ F-16 Block 30 with hundreds of flight hours will be absolutely minimal.
Ukraine currently operate from rotating airfields so to keep Russia guessing...You cant do that with an F-16. You cant have this small selection of parts, maintenance crew scattered round Ukraine. As soon as Ukraine starts to prepare Airfields for the F-16, pulling weeds and re tarmacking Russia will know and target it.
Flankers the Su-35 has been shooting down Ukrainian MiG 29 with the R-37 from 120nm. There is nothing an F-16 can do to counter that.
That's not taking into account Ukraines pilots will have a maximum of 4-12 weeks training on this aircraft!
It's a fantasy and it's wrong to throw away pilots in an airframe they are not experienced in for little to no gain.
36:40 the F16's should have pulled back and not hunted the SU 35's into Russia
As much fun as this is to speculate, let's be a little bit more realistic. Russia will NOT want to get into a basic Air-to-Air war over time because they know that it isn't JUST the aircraft that Ukraine has, but the SAM/Patriot systems being used as well.
Basically, the F-16's would be running under the blanket of SAM/Patriot systems, INCLUDING shoulder-launched SAM systems and vehicle SAM systems, PLUS ground AA systems. The Ukrainians would fly LOW, allowing their ground forces to also be available to back them up. And being focused more on Air-to-Ground runs than straight up Air-to-Air, the F-16's could also be used to "bait" Russians to send their aircraft. And this seems MORE likely, considering that F-16's would basically make any Russian use of helicopters nearly impossible. The Russians would be forces to DEDICATE some aircraft into protecting the helicopters, which itself places those aircraft at risk to the F-16's, the SAM/Patriot systems, AA systems and shoulder-launched/vehicle-launched systems.
These guys are the best! Serious intel on the specifications.
12:00 I mean it is the other way around with tanks and anti-tank weapons etc for Ukraine, so...
I do wish you guys would realease your version of the BLOCK 70 viper ;)
13:15 watching Fly-By-Wire - he was in no trouble... he was just in a "target rich environment"!
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In round one, the Vipers scored a few kills but got swatted like flies.
In round two, the Vipers pulled off a pyrrhic victory.
The SU-35s probably would've fared better in round two if they were packing some R-37s.
The F-16A reminds me of when Britain gave USSR their old Spitfires in WW2
And the US gave the USSR many of our unloved P-39 Airacobras which reportedly the Russians did love and put to very good use.
I didnt know Tommy Chong was into DCS.
The limiting factors that you can't really model here are the lack of training of Russian pilots and ground crews, faulty and broken equipment, and the sheer incompetency of Russian command. If the F-16s are used well they can overcome the tech difference they can prove very useful. And let's not forgot that the Russians can't build new jets never mind maintaining exisiting ones, so while the west can keep supplying Ukraine, the Russians have a true hard limit on what they've got.
I would wager the Russian Su-35 drivers are far more experienced than a Ukrainian MiG 29 pilot that has had 4 -10 weeks training on an F-16...
@@lukewhitehouse4103 If watching DCS videos has taught me anything, it is that just a few seconds of hesitation can be fatal. So I think you are right if Ukrainians are the ones flying the F-16s. It will be a whole different ballgame if experienced western "volunteers" are flying the F-16s. This situation reminds me of the Korean War when Russian "volunteer" pilots flew many of the Mig-15s for North Korea.
@@lukewhitehouse4103 I think the Ukrainians have been training a lot longer than publically mentioned on the F-16 not to mention any western volunteer pilots or even Ukrainians in the Usaf that might want to go back. Lots of stuff we don't see.
Полная ересь, как и подготовке пилотов так и постройке новых самолетов. Меньше смотрите пропаганду.
@@Pahanrost Член Путина со вкусом мяты? Кажется, тебе это нравится.
No propaganda here. Just the wonderful evidence that Russia couldn't overwhelm a small and far less armed nation and is currently awash in mass casualties. Pre internet and live reporting you could get away with the bullshit you Russian shills spew, but in this day and age you really need to step up beyond screaming "Nah, Bro! Russia rules".
don't the interceptor rockets have a limited apogee and once come down can't go up again? I mean can't one just pitch their plane down low for a bit then straight up fly vertical for and have the rocket fall beneath them as the rocket fails fail to regain the now higher needed altitude of the plane after a certain point ?
I doubt these A models are upgraded to software tape M6.5 as a lot of real-world AM/BM are. These are basically the 1989 version of the F-16 MLU.
0:41 did anyone also think the f16 and flanker have similar shapes from the top? just at half the size
Does anyone know if any of the European countries with F16s use Meteor missles etc.?
Nope. MBDA Meteor is only integrated with Typhoon, Rafale, Gripen and F-35B.
@@Hairysteed The Mirage 2000-9 offered for sale by the UAE can also use Scalp (Black Shaheen) - Storm Shadow missiles.
Is there a version of this with Gripens?
Any chance ch plans on modeling the Sam-T?
Can you model the use of EW planes??
Even with the F-16A's, the result would be different, I bet, if there was just one EA-18G Growler assisting.
What exactly was the difference? Shouldn´t the AIM-120 C5 have range 105 km and R-77-1 110 km, so basically the same, and the lack of radar power be compensated by the AWACS? Or the old F16s can't fire on datalink?
What type of AWACS has ucraine ? I don't thing the US birds from Poland/Romania can see far enough
21:00 While it is true that the SU-35s carry more missiles, that advantage is immediately nullified when they get shot down prior to launching them.
A yankee hero, your arrogance will be your downfall , I'd like to see how long ANY non-Russian jet lasts in the air when the S-500 picks them up and shoots them all down, you feeling like a hero now?.
The actual use/need for the F16 in Ukraine is that the NATO armaments are not compatible with the Ukranian Migs. All of the NATO arms used recently in the air has been preprogrammed before attachment to their aircraft - no on board guidance, targeting, direction. If the target has relocated its mission fail/abort. The primary purpose of the F16s is as a launch platform for the NATO weapons, mostly air to ground.
30:04 legit made me laugh.. 🤣🤣🤣
So is survival now more about the radar and the missile and less about the aircraft and pilot?
Was thinking that one way a Pilot might Augment Plane's Radar might be to use the (possibly) higher Range of his Smart Munitions... Dunno if possible, but worth a think✈🚀💥 Love watching y'all "play".. If I were younger and still had the dexterity in my hands I might consider this as my next Sim Game👍👈
The real bonus F16 gives Ukraine is air-to-ground capability.
where did you find the su-35 mod at?
F-16 go brr.
I love your sense of humour guys! But all good and neutral analysis of probable outcomes. Let hope they don't reach this level and find peace before all these possible scenarios happen.
Su-35s went down because the first enemy missiles came from 30 miles - at that range, even old missiles are pretty deadly.
Fair comment.
Hmm , actually it was because AI intellect . A (un)fair game between humans would have made the reality clear
Ukrainian must always be reminded that they have an old airframe & avionics,unless no other option,try to avoid those SU's..at all cost....
The Russian side will be aided by a shit ton of SAMs ranging from the S400s to the BUKs and Tunguskas so this scenario is not realistic at all
Same goes for Ukraine with a bit less Sam coverage, why do you think Russians are just lobbing R-37's from far away and not coming close to the front lines? If Russians had actual capabilities to conduct SEAD and EW to go with it, Ukraine would be fked, thankfully they don't.
@@kermittoad I disagree, Ukraine has practically ran out of Soviet era air defense and are fully dependent on western SAMs which are crazy expensive and are too precious to lose PR wise so they only deply them in Kiev and other very sensitive infrastructure leaving the front lines devoid of any SAM coverage which is evidenced by the recent large activity of the VKS on the front lines and the usage of glide FABs
@@kermittoad By the way, i assume you haven't seen the footage of drones hunting Ukrainian S300s and other SAMs the Ukrainians can't bring their SAMs close to the front lines because they become easy prey for the Russian Lancet drones, they have also been conducting SEAD and EW operations for a year now you just haven't heard about it, just 15 days ago they hunted down a patriot battery
lol. The SU-57. It is so stealthy no one can even see it
That has to be the biggest cap I've ever heard. Lmfao
@@jackson-pl5zg he means cause there aren’t any