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Simon please do a podcast on Armin Meiwes it's a great story and you won't have trouble reading it like you do some of the other ones. You'll probably just laugh and be like wtf is this even real!?
My wife is Russian, and her mother ran away from this guy. He tried to lure her away and she got a bad feeling and ran down the street. How insanely lucky is that!
@@Aztesticals we have a fight or flight instinct for a reason. We will accept what our mind decodes in that moment, instinctively knowing which our body can follow through with.
@@newman977 flight or fight isn't really useful in the modern day though, seen as you rarely need to fight and running away just isn't practical unfortunately a lot of the time lol
Considering the material, anyone whose been to the holocaust museum such as the one in DC knows facing in a detailed scope what humanity is capable will WRECK YOU! If a person isn't recoiling constantly and coming out emotionally shattered they are probably getting flagged by authorities as either a psychopath, sociopath, or nazi (allegedly).
@@UlshaRS You’d have to have grown up as a child soldier or Pol Pot’s kids to be able to read let alone look at photos about what Nazi doctors and “over enthusiastic” camp administrators.
@@The_ZeroLineThankfully, I'm neither of those! I can confidently say a lot of being able to tolerate this kind of horror is about what you're used to. Even so, I have my limits. The serial killer Arthur Fish (no relation) hits one of them, but sheer quantity can do it too.
I’m an MLT and specialize in blood bank. There’s quite a few ways that people can “change” blood types and A to AB is most common. It can happen to women during pregnancy, because of a blood transfusion, or even by a bacterial infections. Also, some people are non “secretors” and don’t show their true blood type through saliva or other fluids. It’s super interesting!
20:26 Simon, the official line in the Soviet Union was that it was impossible for there to be a Soviet serial killer. Serial killings were a product of the bourgeois West and not a problem in the worker’s paradise. They couldn’t acknowledge it for political reasons. Especially considering how unstable the whole thing was becoming in the 1980’s…
You've read too much propaganda fiction. The existence of organized crime, mafia and all kinds of gangs was demonstrated both in Soviet literature and in Soviet cinema. A serial killer is basically just a dude who has committed several murders. What kind of threat is there to the regime from the recognition of the fact that such a thing is possible? In addition, already in the 60s, the "MosGaz maniac" was operating in the USSR, who was officially called a "serial killer" in the media.
Simon, people don't often report sex crimes in countries where the criminals are rarely punished more than the victim is punished, socially. This is not poor judgement of the victims, or the victims families; this is people salvaging their lives as best they can, where there are no better options.
I've been writing down CC's tips for criminals since the channel started. Here is an updated list. Pro-Tips for Criminals 1. Don't write down your crimes. 2. Don't tell other people about your crimes. 3. Don't boast about your crimes. 4. Don't take souvenirs from your victims. 5. Hide the evidence of your crimes. 6. Don't involve other people in your crimes. 7. Your family are less likely to screw you over. 8. Keep your story straight. 9. Paying people to back up your story increases your odds of getting screwed over. 10. It's a mistake not to pay people you said you'd pay. 11. Don't commit crime at the school where you studied. 12. Don't drive a red sports car. 13. If you're changing your identity, don't use the same alias you got busted under last time. 14. If you're making a secret identity, don't go for something interesting. 15. If you're just making up a career, go with advertising executive. 16. Don't make a screenplay out of your crimes. 17. If you're deleting stuff, empty the recycle bin, use a shredder program. 18. Don't get drunk when disposing of a body. 19. Bad idea to google your crimes. 20. Don't wrap the body in your own pajamas. 21. Don't dispose of the body in the cellar - put it in the attic. 22. If the car has blood in it, don't clean it, just set it on fire. 23. If you want to get away with murder, being a billionaire is helpful. 24. It's best to be a thief in a rich country. 25. Don't try to kill an Irishman with whiskey. 26. If you try to kill someone and they don't die, why not finish the job since you were already going to be a murderer? 27. Don't drop your glove. Robbers and surgeons shouldn't leave gloves behind. 28. If you want to ask someone about whether you should be committing crimes, definitely pretend it's a joke. 29. If you're risking going to prison for a really long time, let's do it for more than 190,000 rand. 30. Don't be out saying, "I kill police officers." 31. Destroying evidence is pretty smart. Clean up after your crime. 32. If you're gonna go out murdering, don't murder the mother of a famous criminologist. 33. Don't go on TV. What are you doing going on TV? What are you up to? 34. Don't tell your crimes to someone who's writing them down. 35. Leave the scene of the crime. You can't stay there. You have to go. 36. Don't return to the scene of the crime. 37. Don't take any photos. 38. Don't take records of your own crimes. 39. Always bend to the will of the Mob. 40. Leaving intentional clues for the police is not a good idea. Bro, trust me, you're leaving clues anyway. 41. If you fail to do two abductions in two days, maybe take a break, work on your technique. 42. If you're going to be burned at the stake, take deep breaths because then you'll die of smoke inhalation before the flames reach you. 43. Do your crimes better. You can at least try. 44. Again: Don't write down your crimes. 45. Don't fuck with Big Syrup. 46. Hold up the bus, lock the bus so no one can escape, and then set it on fire. I don't want to give the terrorists ideas, but I guess that one's for free. 47. Dude, you gotta get some duck tape. 48. Chainsaw's gonna be way too messy - just use a big knife. 49. Don't review your crimes. 50. There's a reason that people go to ten different hardware stores to buy all their murder equipment... because if you bought all that in one place people are gonna be like, "What's up my dude? Let me call the police." 51. Don't admit your crimes. 52. Burning things is nice. 53. If you're gonna go do some murdering, bring the weapon with you and have a plan to dispose of it afterwards. 54. If you're murdering at night, how about bringing your own form of illumination? 55. You've got to burn your clothes in a barrel somewhere. 56. Don't write down how much you hate your husband. That's weird. 57. If you're cooking crystal meth in the city, what's wrong with you? Check yourself before you wreck yourself. 58. If your crime business isn't super high profit, what are you up to? 59. Get on to that South American fisherman lifestyle and maybe get your face changed by some sketchy mob doctor south of the border. 60. If you have glasses, get contacts or laser surgery. If you're bald, get a wig or a hair transplant. If you have a beard, shave it off. 61. Don't get involved in a documentary about your crimes. 62. If you've committed a crime and it's reported in the paper, don't clip it out and keep it. 63. You do not take trophies or in the very least you don't keep them in plain view at your house or in the houses of your relatives. 64. You don't tell other people about your crimes, even your brother. 65. Don't make soap out of your victims. Not a good idea. 66. Don't deal drugs with your family. Don't deal heroin, but if you want to deal heroin, do it yourself. 67. Everyone knows you should charge 100K minimum for a hit job. 68. If you google how to commit your crime, use a VPN. 69. Don't involve your friends or your family in your crimes. 70. Too many cooks/assassins spoil the broth/murder. 71. If someone is paying you 9 million dollars to kill someone and all you have to do is provide evidence of it, you should do it yourself and it should be someone you definitely don't know. 72. Just get a fake phone number! Just get a burner phone! 73. If an online creep ever asks you to commit a crime for money, please do the right thing: Demand to see half the cash up front with the rest after the job. 74. Don't commit crimes in your own town... go to the next town.
**insert standing ovation emoji** awesome job! and in order too! #73 was last upload, teen agreed to murder for a 9 million$ payday...and forgot to get ANY of the $, much less half upfront. Now if she had had this list, maybe she would have rethought it??? Like, omg, murder looks kinda hard. hmmmmm
Simon, as a girl myself, if another woman who I didn’t know came up to me and started acting like my freind, I would play along. Women will sometimes do that if they are alone and feel like they’re being followed or creeped on. Saftey in numbers! Also the uterus is in the stomach area by the hips.
So Simon wasn’t thinking when he said that. I’m sure given a little thought he would figure it out just like the original Jack the Ripper. And I do think women do talk to other women easier for exactly the reason you give. And maybe some over “genetic memory” of helping each other watch out for the children.
I'm sitting here hoping Simon goes full cowboy on this comrade and be like give him the electric chair!!! 27 minutes in... C'mon fact boi, let the 'merica flow through you!!
Jen showing a soviet flag and playing the hymn when Simon listed the services he thinks should be free is just objectively funny and brilliant editing :D
I’m very glad that since this show is the Casual criminalist. You’re allowed to go on more tangents. Back when I only knew about the sciencey channel, in my mind you were just a presenter. Feels nice to sorta know your stories and personality. Makes this show feel more like “your friend is infodumping to you about something they’re extremely into”. When it feels more personal I kinda enjoy it more
i feel the same way! i first found Simon through Geographics during 2020, and then in January this year i discovered this channel and its been so so wonderful to get to know him in some way!! i love his tangents, and his little stories lol
9:00 No, Breivik's pretty much guaranteed to never walk free in his life again. While Norway does have a maximum prison sentence of 21 years which that absolute waste of air was given, there's also the provision for preventive detention, with which a prisoner's sentence can be extended if they're determined to still pose a danger to society once their original sentence is up. That detention can be renewed every five years, so actual lifetime imprisonment is possible. And in his case _extremely_ likely.
Or if he is released they'll do what they did with varg vikernes and exile him and send him to another country and then he'll be watched by the other countries government.
@@GenusUnknown He never got exiled, he moved to France after he got out of prison, continued with his hate for everything and ended up in prison again in France, out again now and still going on with his hate for anyone not "Aryan"
I’m floored. Of course, I had to explain what a cervix is to 2 male MEDICAL STUDENTS a few months back so I really shouldn’t be surprised anymore. 😂😭😭 I still love them but I don’t think I want them to be my doctor lol
David did a fabulous job of writing this script. He approached the topic without going into too much detail, but enough to let us know what had occurred. This man was an absolute monster - this could not have been easy to write.
"Thank you for watching." walks out of frame but pops back in "Or listening as well! Hello!" legit made me laugh, which was needed after such an episode. thank you
Great read for a terrible subject. PSA: Stanger danger applies to people you know too. Trust children, if they say someone you know makes them uncomfortable, LISTEN. Most of the time, it's an authority figure, teacher, preacher, foster parent, or other "trusted" adult.
Which is one of the reasons I don't trust anyone who has authority over others, especially those who are in a vulnerable position in some way. I've learned to be suspicious of anyone who wants to have control over others.
@@ella17734 Also not an entirely healthy approach since many, even most people who go for careers involving some level of authority (doctors, police, teachers) genuinely want to help. I prefer judging people based on merit rather than stereotypes.
@@brigidtheirish You are welcome to your opinion. I have learned from experience that it's better to be safe than sorry. What a privilege that you have made it through life with that naive, rose colored view. Many of us are not quite so lucky. 🙄 And as with most people who are hiding a predatory nature, you often don't realize it until it's too late.
@@ella17734 Don't know how judging people by their actions is naive or rose-colored. I'm certainly not going to follow someone into a dark alley regardless of their career or give out my private contact info willy-nilly. You have *no* idea what I've seen or experienced, we're just strangers on the internet. Remember what assuming does.
I'm a truck driver in Florida and I love all of Simon's work. The whole crew do an awesome job there. My hat's off to all you guys you give me through long days
The boyfriend and I almost always watch an episode before bed (even if its one we've already seen) so often that when our pets hear Simon's voice they go to their beds because they know its almost time to sleep 😂
Simon, I think the tangents are necessary. In the middle of a story about murderous pedophiles, the random tangents you get on gives me a chance to take a breath. So keep doubling the length of scripts with your tangents, FactBoi!
HBO's Citizen X is well made film about the efforts to catch Chikatilo it stars Jeffrey DeMunn, Stephan Rea, Donald Southerland, and Max Von Sydow. This movie actually answers most of the questions you raised about why it took so long to catch him. The biggest block was that serial killers were believed to be a "decadent" western problem by those in charge. They refused to acknowledge that it could happen in the USSR. Also many of his victims were lured into the woods where the bodies remained undiscovered for some time.
Citizen X is, all in all, well intentioned and well-made, but I like some parts of it more than a whole. I have to say the opening scene is brief but very unsettling. I know there is also a movie with Malcolm McDowell as Chikatilo, but I'm kinda hesitant (Citizen X was specifically praised in a "as good as Chernobyl!" kinda article so I decided to give it a try), I am into true crime, but some are too grisly even for me.
yes, i thought of "Citizen X" after Simon said that movies and TV shows about Chikitilo were all trashy and sensationalist. "Citizen X" was pretty good, and not trashy or sensationalist at all.
I saw a few clips of that and I hate how they do Russian accents, I wish it was like how in movies like Death of Stalin where it’s essentially translated into English and everyone just uses their actual accents
I didn't realize that this was the guy from Citizen X until near the end when they talked about him hanging out at the train stations. Then I had the "Oh shit!" moment. That is a twisted effed up movie, but I've always loved it.
As somebody who's been wrongfully arrested twice, once for attempted kidnapping, Simon is spot on, never talk without a lawyer, and try not to be unattractive. The latter part is honestly important.
The double negative in 'try not to be unattractive' is scrambling my brain - do I need to slap on some lippy or pretend I have a bung eye and a gammy leg? I'm not sure I cab keep the bung eye thing going..........
@@Infamouslbx Aaaah, so dressing like I shop exclusively at the discount aisle in Target is not going to work in my favour, duly noted. The Fashion Police - Lol.
One reason why you are a favourite of mine is that you have such genuine empathy for the victims and you report their often horrific and humiliating deaths with sensitivity, respect and tact. Don't worry, you are one of the good guys.
A case that I'd like Simon to do a casual criminalist on would be the case of Leonard Lake and Charles Ng. It is suitably horrific, has a manhunt that goes into Canada, a legal proceedings that go on for years and something that will get Simon really riled up, criminals video taping their crimes
It is genuinely a nice break bewteen all of the gore, rape, murder, torture, stabbing, and all of the other mild unpleasantries I voluntarily ruin my day with.
"The Soviet Union is the perfect utopia. We don't have serial killers (or any crime) in our paradise." This is the primary reason they suppressed any bad stuff that didn't fit that narrative.
Central Park 5, George Stinney, The West Memphis 3 Incompetent, and callous Justicar's will abuse the system out of convience, no matter what nation they occupy. Often resulting in monsters being given free reign, while convient scapegoats are tormented in their stead.
@@Aztesticals Yeah, not all of them went as brutal as Stalin, but the big ones did and the small ones either collapsed under their own weight or just ended up ditching communism for a less harmful evil.
@@SerabiiBot yeah doesn't work well in practice in a modernized world. Some of its principles are good to pick and choose from to add into a more mixed system but full comune don't work
A couple of corrections: Borderline personality disorder is a result of long-term sustained abuse and/or trauma in childhood and adolescence, often the individual also has a genetic predisposition to depression, anxiety or another mental illness. It's closely related to Complex PTSD. It's in the same personality cluster ( B) in the Dsmr, as NPD and psychopathy, but it's the only personality disorder that has a chance of treatment and recovery. People with BPD are not predatory in the way that the other two personality disorders are. It's not something to be scared of or vilified. People with BPD are usually more likely to hurt themselves, as suicidal thoughts are a hallmark of the condition. Also, Viagra doesn't work for impotence that is psychological or trauma related in nature most of the time. So Pfizer wouldn't have helped. Which is further supported in this case with that he was able to achieve an erection after stabbing them, which psychologically is often equated with sex in men who have this problem.
Psychopathy is not in the DSM. In the DSM it is anti-social personality disorder. Not all people diagnosed with anti-social personality are psychopaths but all psychopaths are under the anti-social diagnosis. They can be treated, however, part of the disorder is a lack of insight so it is very difficult to change behaviors unless you can help the person understand how these behaviors are negatively impacting their lives.
BPD must be such a painful and confusing thing to come to terms with. I have someone very close to me that is dealing with BPD and the most I can do is support them as best I can and the rest is up to them. Mental health issues need to be recognized and free from the stigma that they are so often attributed to. Mental health is a very real thing that requires everyone to help those afflicted with it, to understand it and respect it for what it is, and to educate those associated with it to do the same and to have them know they are not alone.
@@andaros8449 Actually, you're correct about the Dsmr, my bad. What I was thinking about is that psychopathy is considered as primary psychopathy and secondary psychopathy, which is also known as sociopathy. Both are under the umbrella of antisocial personality disorder. They're different in some ways; just as there's primary and secondary narcissism under the umbrella of NPD. Which also can present differently. Also, I have known multiple people with APD and NPD, it's not only that they lack insight into how their own behavior has a negative impact on their lives or others, but that too often they know but either don't care or there's an aspect of self destruction or sadism and it feeds their ego.
On the prison thing in Norway, iirc Norway's maximum sentence is 30 years, so they gave him everything they could, but that *can* be reviewed and updated over the years if the person is deemed dangerous. So Brevik is never getting out.
It's 20 years if I remember correctly. I visit Norway yearly and Nords tell me that Breivik is acting like a shithead in prison so it does not help his case.
Me after the warning at the beginning: Yeah, yeah, sure. I doubt this could be worse than the cannibals or the Aussie dude. Me at the end of the video: *blankly staring at the snow outside my window*
Not all those notes are definitively connected to the murderer . Some from either the usual crackpots and attention seekers, some might be from journalists looking to sell papers. Plus with the time being the Wild West of evidence handling, everything is contaminated AF.
@@RCorvinus yeah, but the From Hell letter is highly likely to be from him, that's the one with part of the liver. Also Dear Boss letter either inspired him or was from him, that's the one that said the next victim would have ears missing.
It was also legendary for the surgical precision. The Ripper title is a bit of a misnomer. The cuts were usually clean as they could be...save for the time he was interrupted.
@@Bluesit32 i think this is also very heavily disputed between various coroners who made autopsies back then.. some say it's precise some claim it's nothing particularly skilled. I guess with such a small selection of victims it is hard to tell. .. And for example Mary Jane Kelly which he had enough time within her chamber was more butchered than dissected so i for myself think it's an exaggeration and mystification of the time to make him extraordinary skillful....
Simon is the only one that can release a video of 1 hour 40 minutes and I just go "Oh, sure!" and then just watch the whole thing. Essentially anything longer than 20 minutes that I watch are already Simon's videos to begin with, but still. This or Business Blaze and I even prefer them longer.
Vast majority of the time, statistically, it's not the stranger which poses one (especially children) the greatest risk to safety, it's those who offer familiarity...a family member, a neighbor, a workmate, a uniform, a classmate, a teacher, a pastor...More often than not it's the benign familiar person, those we are socially encouraged to place trust, respect, faith whom we are far more likely to lower our guard.
Yes 21 years is the maximum in Norway, but he got a type of sentence that can get prolonged if (I'm guessing when) he is still seen as a threat to society. He has to qualify for release and will not be automatically released when his original sentencing is done.
I always wondered about that...especially for someone like Anders Breivik. When I first heard 21 years after being found guilty of 77 murders, which averages to three months per human life he ended, that kind of blew my mind. Good to know there's a mechanism in place to keep him in prison if he's still a threat.
Yeah I remember when he was sentenced I read many an article talking about how he only got X months per victim and how terrible it was. I thought to myself "That's can't be right can it?" so I dug a little deeper (It wasn't hard!) and found out that it's not an automatic release but rather a rolling sentence that can theoretically last forever. So I've got to think either journalists are such idiots that *I* can find better information or they were just looking for outrage clicks. Could be both I suppose.
Simon, the last few minutes where you're describing your efforts with this channel illustrate that it's a RAZORS edge to get things right on this subject and you are doing a great job. Through everything you demonstrate respect. Well done.
Just saying, there miiiiiight someday be a serial killer deathbed confession where the guy is like, "Yeah, I killed a bazillion people and got away with it my whole life, thanks mainly to watching UA-cam videos about how people got caught, so I learned what not to do. This guy Simon Whistler even had a whole list of tips for criminals." Just imagine the heap of guilt Simon would feel then. Again, just saying. Allegedly.
The psychology is usually why eventually most serial killers slip up due to the psychological disregulation. The more they get away with it the more confident they get, the more careless they are and the more risks they take. That and science moves on in ways that they cannot comprehend or predict. One guy used his GPS to plan his whole murder driving route. Needless to say the cops found all the info and the body once they opened his non-encrypted GPS data.
About the bureaucracy: the Soviets wanted to boast a 100% employment rate, so you end up with a lot of people incompetent in their jobs or just not giving a damn.
There was also the issue with how obsessed the Soviet Union was with propaganda. Soviet countries were portrayed as utopias. The authorities never warned the public about a serial killer working in the area, because they couldn't allow word to get out that there was such a thing as serial killers in Utopia.
@@zarasbazaar to add to your point there was a social stigma that serial killers where products of capitalism. Also people felt they'd be looked down on by the communist party if the killer was from their peer group or town.
@@hazelhadley-britt6396 you mean how they’re going “you’re white? Sorry if you’re good for the job, but if you’re around the workplace won’t be diverse enough.”
I find it amazing when Simon mentions he reads a few words ahead because I can’t comprehend doing that. I would butcher my speech immensely trying to do that.
Simon, your tangent about public transport had me about dying from laughter. I spent a month in Prague several years ago, and the quiet on the metro and buses was GLORIOUS!! Especially as an introverted and shy person from America.
I think the reason Jack the Ripper is so much more popular is mostly cause we never figured out who it was and thats more intriguing then someone we have a name and a face for.
It also had to do with the time. Penny novels were VERY popular. It's the same reason Billy The Kid is so popular even though he was only an outlaw for like 2 years.
“Don’t talk to stranger if you’re a teenager.” Great advice, I was kinda intimidated into it when an elderly man almost a foot taller cornered me. So yeah I asked him what he wanted, which was apparently an opening. He prattled for a bit about my sneakers then said “girls… have such beautiful feet. All nice and slender.” I squeaked a broken thank you, ducked and ran. Btw this was in the middle of a Wendy’s and everyone just watched it go down.
I will never understand why bystanders don't intervene in a situation like that. As a father, hearing something like that happening to, in effect a child, I lose my mind. I would be the first person in there to say something. The fact that people would rather just stand by and watch and (these days), get video to show their friends, I stead of step in...
@@newman977 I really wished someone would’ve helped. I’d peeked around him and wildly made eye contact with 7 people who looked away. One rolled their eyes. It terrified me because I was 100 pounds soaking wet and next to the door, all I could think was that I’d be raped and killed before I could run to my mom’s car.
The bystander effect never ceases to astound me. The lack of action makes them think they can get away with it. Fr, I hope anyone who witnesses this doesn't wait for someone ELSE to intervene ): and
Have you seen his other channel: Brain Blaze? It's essentially an argument carried out between Simon, his writer Danny, and his memeologist Sam. It definitely showcases his personality
I am a frequently listener and I just wish to thank you all (Simon, Jenn, David, Kevin, Callum, George, and any other contributors I missed) for putting out great content! The writing and editing are great, and Simon’s humor and practical nature are brilliant! Again, just want to say I appreciate your content, and what you all do. Wishing you all the best!
I was excited that this was a long CC... I would listen no matter how long it was.. Just enjoy CC and all the wonderful people involved! Thank you for your awesome content!!!
Serial Killers were seen as a Western problem by the Soviet Union. This is why the USSR has so few official Serial Killers and why they were so reluctant to say there was a problem
Having now finished watching like every Casual Criminalist video after finding out about you a little while ago, I gotta say beyond being extremely good content, you have always been very respectful of the victims and the situation as whole. It has been crazy learning about just how far down into the abyss a human can sink.
What protected Chikatilo was the fact he was a card carrying member of The Communist Party. HBO made a movie based on this called Patient Zero. Brilliant docudrama. The removal of the eyes was because of an old saying that the eyes stored the last image they saw before they died.
Yo Simon, here in Sydney the majority of seating on the trains isn't facing inwards but forwards or backwards, and you can move the backrest of the seat to change how its facing, so pretty much everyone ends up facing them the same direction so you only see the back of the person infront of you. Our public transport is very supportive of anti-socializing.
The excellent and underrated, and somewhat unknown, movie, "Citizen X," lead me to this case. Stephen Rea, Donald Sutherland, and Max Von Sydow give amazing performances.
I have to say this is the only crime Chanel I can watch and hear Horrific details of crimes and yet somehow the way Simon tells the story he makes me laugh and get through such a horrific crime story Simon please keep doing the great work you’re doing
When I was a teen, I saw a dramatization of this story on HBO. It was so chilling, I remember it like it was yesterday, and was quite accurate to the account you just gave. What a sick SOB
I think I learned about this guy in high school. He cut out the eyes because of some superstition about the image of someone’s killer would capture the image of their killer.
Most people at that time, including doctors and cops, that a murder victims' eyes would retain the last image they saw. Like a camera, I guess. 🤷 But then, those were the same highly educated doctors that would bleed people to balance their humors 😱😆
@@bradleymoore2797 Huh, that's pretty neat. Makes sense though, less blood to push would be easier on the heart. I've occasionally wondered if the whole blood-letting craze possibly got popular because it helped relieve the symptoms of high blood pressure, even if only temporarily. It had to have been helpful for something? I'd like to think that even Victorian doctors would have noticed if there had never, ever been any positive results. A sizeable number of patients back then would have been very well fed old white guys, so maybe heart disease was common enough to see occasional results? Idk. What amazes me even more than blood letting actually being useful are the medical maggots and leeches 😮🤢😰😱🤯🤯🤯
A pattern with serial killers who kill more than a few people: They are often arrested and then released, which then makes them non-suspects for while. So rules for police: if your serial killer gets to double digits, go look at the people you already eliminated again.
Dear Doctor, you are definitely an invested FAN and very thorough! I couldn’t stop laughing as I read and remembered all the points you mentioned. Well done 👍🏼 I hope Simon and our community here can appreciate and enjoy 😉
@@jackhamilton9604 Bundy has to be one of the few serial killers to just pull a flat out escape by himself. I think he slipped into a different room, changed into different clothes and walked out of the building. I mean, there was no waiting car or anything. Just shocking.
I just gotta say, Jen deserves an Emmy for this video today. Almost every one of these video cuts are perfect and made me LOL which says alot considering the content 😂
There is a movie on here that was made in the 90s called Citizen X. Since it was made for tv in the 90s, it wasn't the torture porn trash that we get nowadays that turns the killer into a celebrity. It centered on the investigation and at times I had to take mental health breaks seeing how frustrating it was trying to catch this guy, just because of the Soviet Union. Detective Buchanovsky was briefly institutionalized because of how burnt out he was and his superior had to blackmail the commanding officer in order for him to get a break. It gave me a new appreciation for how the people who were actually doing the work against all of the odds. I highly recommend watching it, even if it is a bit dated.
It's kind of crazy that his wife and daughter didn't separate themselves from this killer until the guy targeted his grandson. I guess the truth of "don't target people close to you if you want to get away with crimes" is pretty damn accurate
Simon you have to think like a city mayor. Even if putting tons of 'Uni's' on the street is a dumb move for actually catching a serial criminal, it's what the local citizens want to see, if only for a false sense of safety and tax dollars being used to DO SOMETHING! And as far as a mayor is concerned, simply scaring the danger to some other town is FIIIIIIIIINE.
I think it's interesting that you often end your particularly sad and hard-to-swallow videos with unease towards receiving likes on it. i find myself making sure to hit the like button on your videos, especially ones like that, because of the fact that you handle these types of topics in such an honest, kind, and competent fashion.
I'm from Russia. Cause Chikatillo were executed on February 14 many people are joking about spending Day of saint Chikatillo and giving around "Chikatillkies" Instead of "Valentinkies" (That's how we call Valentines postcards here)
Please do an episode on Howard Marks, aka Mr Nice. His story is rather amazing, and most of what people have covered only include his life up to his book "Mr Nice". He was involved in some other rackets afterwards as well, as documented in "Mr Smiley: My last pill and testament". While he was a criminal, he was a non violent criminal, it would make a change from teenage hit squads and cannibals is all I'm saying.
On the part of Simon talking about fearing being rude to dismiss a random stranger talking to you, just... better rude than dead? If the Casual Criminalist teaches us anything, really.
Dr. John Bodkin Adams. 1946 to 1956. 163 of his patients died in a coma. 132 of his patients that died had willed him money or items upon their death. The episode would be incredibly long. But this guys is the worst and whats makes the story even more terrifying. Dr. John Bodkin Adams never spent a day in prison for his crimes.
Breivik is from Norway, and don't worry. He's never getting out. It's 21 years as a standard, but it can be extended, if he is still a danger to society. The Scandinavian system, where the focus is primary on helping people instead of punishing them, has a very low percentage of repeat offenders. You can get help with substance abuse, get therapy and even get an education. This lowers the risk of coming back.
Don't worry Simon, I know it's tough material to talk about, but we do enjoy your commentary on these horrible crimes. I do like learning about these stories, and you do a fantastic job telling them, but it's nice to know someone else feels disgusted by these acts, and we're not all bad people. Thank you Simon, David, and Jen, it was a great episode!
18:00 I think Simon forgets just how much harder it was to communicate over large distances back in the 70's , 80's. It's not like they had linked data basis to make connections.
Right; and there was a certain level of provincialism to authority in Russia even in the Soviet days, that would've prevented the sharing of information about unsolved crimes over as wide of an area as this creature worked. Russia's a big place; and local authorities were used to working without central direction for stretches of time (like harsh winters). It becomes a habit. Even the idea of being able to track his movement via the internal travel control system (which was paper and not electronic), which we would take for granted now, would be laborious to the point of near-impossible at the speed of communication even in the 1990s, much less the 1980s.
The gifs were perfectly placed and on point in this one, right up there with Sam's finest vintage memes. My compliments to the editor. Also, when Simon talks about "industrialized" murder being somehow worse, I think that's what Hannah Arendt meant when she talked about "the banality of evil" in her book about the trial of Adolf Eichmann. The Holocaust showed us the immeasurable callousness and cruelty that all ordinary people are capable of with just a small amount of mental detachment and rationalization, and that's not something we like to think about.
I sometimes forget about Eichmann. Never before had anyone turned the systematic killing of a people into something that was akin to factory work. They had quota. A minimum number to reach before the end of a month. And each number was a person's life. Sometimes it's hard to pick who is worse. The ones who enjoyed the atrocities or the ones who regarded them as just another day in the office. They would go home and complain about their work load rather than the horrors they witness...well, if they were allowed to speak of it anyway.
Simon, you are SUCH a European! Americans are all about talking to stranger. As Will Rogers famously said, "A stranger is just a friend I haven't met yet"
Hey Simon, that dude in Norway, they do have provisions for life sentences. When the time comes for his release, he will go up in front of a Judge again and they will extend the sentence. He will never be released.
Once again, thank you Simon and writer David for talking about the Holodomor and bringing more awareness to it. Russia still denies it was a genocide to this day. Some modern-day communists and those who romanticize the Soviet Union blame the Ukrainian people for "poor farming practices." My great-grandparents got lucky and moved to the states to start their family, if they had stayed in Ukraine, my great-grandparents, my grandfather, and his 8 siblings would have easily starved to death in what is the Breadbasket of Europe. No one should starve to death in the Breadbasket of Europe
A Genozid has to be planned. I'm not an expert but from what I have read it seems to be just pure incompetence and ignorance. It was a horrible and totally avoidable catastrophic event nonetheless.
@@sebastianriemer1777 It was a genocide against the Ukrainian people. Stalin wanted to curb Ukrainian nationalism and the desire for independence. It was planned, maybe not to the extent that it became with people resorting to cannibalism, but it was planned as a way to keep them in check.
I'm not sure where you looked up the Jack the Ripper info but there were only five victims who were officially attributed to him: Mary Ann Nichols, Annie Chapman, Elizabeth Stride, Catherine Eddowes and Mary Jane Kelly. Interestingly, according to Hallie Rubenhold in her book, "The Five: The Untold Lives of the Women Killed by Jack the Ripper", its possible that none of the women were actually professional prostitutes. I strongly recommend it aside appears to be a subject you would find interesting. It is a wonderfully revealing book and gives a great insight into the terrible disenfranchisement that the poor, and especially poor women, endured during Victorian London.
Yes. Lots of women did a bit of part time prostitution to keep their heads above water. However it needs to be borne in mind that the great majority of all people throughout history were poor and lived lives of relentless toil and grinding poverty. Even the middle classes/petit bourgeoisie lived a precarious existence and could easily lose everything and sink to the gutter at the drop of a hat. That is the case worldwide. Lack of hunger and more widespread prosperity is a very recent phenomenon. Nevertheless, in between hunger, illness and insecurity, people managed to pursue trades and interests, fall in love, travel, have fun. It’s amazing how resilient the human race is!
@@fainitesbarley2245 you are very insightful. Yes, people have plied trades, etc throughout the long centuries on the journey to now and so did the "the Five". The factor, other than being poor women, that these had in common, was that all five were alcoholic. In a subculture known for heavy drinking, they were known for their alcoholism. I have been thinking that I may do some looking into changing perspective and seeing if that could be why they were targeted or it became a tool in luring them into risky behavior. Maybe when I retire.
@@VoodooAngel63 Easier to spot? Staggering alone along dark alleys? Less likely to be missed early? Or as you suggest - a target in a pub for a few extra drinks then.......
IN the USA the homicide rate is now 7.8 per 100,000 people (14.4 per 100,000 in Louisiana) . In Norway it's like 0.4 per 100,000. Norway (and other Scandinavian countries) don't need maximum sentences like the USA. However, in Norway maximum sentences can be extended for extreme cases, like mass murderers. There just aren't many mass murderers in those countries. You are 36x more likely to be murdered in New Orleans than in Copenhagen
There's always that moment when you start a CC episode and you're bracing yourself for a really creepy or scary epiosde. I'm less than 5 minutes in and Simon's saying how scary this one might be and I'm like 'Aw crap do I want to listen to this?'😥 😂 Thankfully Simon is there for help guide us through it all *she says before watching the rest of the episode*
Gotta recommend the HBO film about this, I think called Citizen X. It had Stephen Rea and Donald Sutherland and focused mostly on Bukhanovsky, the behavioral psychologist. He wanted to do a lot of the things during the investigation that Simon kept suggesting but the bureaucracy kept tying his hands. Frustratingly sad, pretty decent movie.
I saw a few clips of that and I hate how they do Russian accents, I wish it was like how in movies like Death of Stalin where it’s essentially translated into English and everyone just uses their actual accents
Normally this would be where I ask if you're Moby in real life, but that question can wait. I like this podcast series. Your sassy, excitable delivery makes the well-written scripts that much more engrossing and interesting to listen to. The research done is excellent. I learned things I didn't even know about serial killers I've studied in Psychology classes. I really enjoy how more of your personality shines through in these podcasts. It's refreshing and a nice take on true crime.
23:12 Homosexuality is no longer illegal in Russia (decriminalised in 1993), but they have a law against "propaganda of non-traditional sexual relationships". Of course the definition of "propaganda" is deliberately left vague so that it can be used against any gay people the police don't like (hint, that's all gay people). Even something as simple as showing a rainbow flag or kissing in public could be considered propaganda.
If it's any consolation my mother told me, back when I was 5 years old, "Don't ever accept a ride from anyone except for me or your father, not even the preacher." So, when our pastor asked me if I needed a ride home, I said, "My mom says I'm not to accept a ride from anyone except for her or my dad, not even the preacher." When the pastor told my mom about it, he thought it was hilarious, and I got lots of praise from my parents for following directions. At that point in my life I had vivid red hair, and because I lived in Japan at the time I really stuck out in a crowd.
Also, when I did medical transcription at home, an internet outage really caused me problems, since it usually happened when I was trying to do rush jobs.
I do hope that you're taking care of your own mental health, Simon. This is a lot of dark stuff to have to process. Love the storytelling! I also thought Citizen X was a decent move.
The acting was very good. I agree the standards for exploitative violence are changing for the better...so that movie got no extra points in that area but it could have been worse.
I feel bad for the family members of these people. Imagine finding out your parent our partner killed over FORTY people. How do you even begin to process that??
The only joke I ever remember my Russian ex telling: Andrei Chikatilo and a little boy were walking hand-in-hand into the forest as the sun set. The little boy says: Mister, I'm scared! Chikatilo replies: *Youre* scared? I have to walk back alone.
Very well done on this story. There is a movie about this sick man on UA-cam (forget the name) and helps explain things, your episode does as well. The removal of the eyes was because there was a belief that they (eyes) held the image of what a dieing person saw, that’s why he took them….or so I’ve read.
I'm not sure if I find Simon's incredibly English-middle-class naivete about how the Police work, and have always worked, pretty much everywhere, endearing or terrifying.
He got off easy with that execution. He should've been sent to one of those awful prisons in the middle of Siberia and live the rest of his life getting the shit beat out of him by the other inmates. You shove that guy in there, tell the other inmates what he did to kids, and they'll give him a worse punishment than any court could.
Have you done any vids on Varg Vikernes? He was the infamous black metal musician from MayheM and Burzum. Back in the 90s, he murdered a former bandmate, burned down multiple churches, got a "maximum sentence", and he's already out of prison. One case that's close to me personally is the 1989 murder of Theresa "TJ" Monaghan in Cape May County, NJ. She went to high school with me, but early in my senior year, she was murdered by her brother. Rumor was, he bashed her head in with a hammer.
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You guys are so hilarious which is needed retelling these horrible stories. Thanks for the comedy.
Simon please do a podcast on Armin Meiwes it's a great story and you won't have trouble reading it like you do some of the other ones. You'll probably just laugh and be like wtf is this even real!?
Only if brain blaze was this long....im pushing through this one with a migraine.....
You should make a video on the Snowtown murders in Adelaide
The lack of paleontology content is how they keep it so affordable, fossils are surprisingly expensive these days.
My wife is Russian, and her mother ran away from this guy. He tried to lure her away and she got a bad feeling and ran down the street. How insanely lucky is that!
I'm glad she went with her gut instinct!
Always trust your gut. It's kept us alive for millenia, no reason to ignore it, now.
@@newman977 except when your me and my body decides to throw adrenaline out and fear of death from random shit at work since the last few shooting
@@Aztesticals we have a fight or flight instinct for a reason. We will accept what our mind decodes in that moment, instinctively knowing which our body can follow through with.
@@newman977 flight or fight isn't really useful in the modern day though, seen as you rarely need to fight and running away just isn't practical unfortunately a lot of the time lol
Props to Simon for recognizing some topics are just too much. No shame in having boundaries and sticking with them.
Considering the material, anyone whose been to the holocaust museum such as the one in DC knows facing in a detailed scope what humanity is capable will WRECK YOU! If a person isn't recoiling constantly and coming out emotionally shattered they are probably getting flagged by authorities as either a psychopath, sociopath, or nazi (allegedly).
@@UlshaRS You’d have to have grown up as a child soldier or Pol Pot’s kids to be able to read let alone look at photos about what Nazi doctors and “over enthusiastic” camp administrators.
@@The_ZeroLineThankfully, I'm neither of those!
I can confidently say a lot of being able to tolerate this kind of horror is about what you're used to. Even so, I have my limits. The serial killer Arthur Fish (no relation) hits one of them, but sheer quantity can do it too.
@@lindsyfish6704 I wasn’t being literal, naturally.
I’m an MLT and specialize in blood bank. There’s quite a few ways that people can “change” blood types and A to AB is most common. It can happen to women during pregnancy, because of a blood transfusion, or even by a bacterial infections. Also, some people are non “secretors” and don’t show their true blood type through saliva or other fluids. It’s super interesting!
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whaaaaaat the fuck that's so weird and fascinating. Thanks for sharing!
It's known Chikatilo was a non secretor.
with the risk of sounding ignorant, what is an MLT?
@@noth606 Watch The Princess Bride : Mutton Lettuce and Tomato
Great sandwich.
20:26 Simon, the official line in the Soviet Union was that it was impossible for there to be a Soviet serial killer. Serial killings were a product of the bourgeois West and not a problem in the worker’s paradise. They couldn’t acknowledge it for political reasons. Especially considering how unstable the whole thing was becoming in the 1980’s…
Uh huh, would have been interesting to bring up
You've read too much propaganda fiction.
The existence of organized crime, mafia and all kinds of gangs was demonstrated both in Soviet literature and in Soviet cinema. A serial killer is basically just a dude who has committed several murders. What kind of threat is there to the regime from the recognition of the fact that such a thing is possible?
In addition, already in the 60s, the "MosGaz maniac" was operating in the USSR, who was officially called a "serial killer" in the media.
This is because the USSR was slipping into being revisionist at this time.
Simon, people don't often report sex crimes in countries where the criminals are rarely punished more than the victim is punished, socially. This is not poor judgement of the victims, or the victims families; this is people salvaging their lives as best they can, where there are no better options.
I've been writing down CC's tips for criminals since the channel started. Here is an updated list.
Pro-Tips for Criminals
1. Don't write down your crimes.
2. Don't tell other people about your crimes.
3. Don't boast about your crimes.
4. Don't take souvenirs from your victims.
5. Hide the evidence of your crimes.
6. Don't involve other people in your crimes.
7. Your family are less likely to screw you over.
8. Keep your story straight.
9. Paying people to back up your story increases your odds of getting screwed over.
10. It's a mistake not to pay people you said you'd pay.
11. Don't commit crime at the school where you studied.
12. Don't drive a red sports car.
13. If you're changing your identity, don't use the same alias you got busted under last time.
14. If you're making a secret identity, don't go for something interesting.
15. If you're just making up a career, go with advertising executive.
16. Don't make a screenplay out of your crimes.
17. If you're deleting stuff, empty the recycle bin, use a shredder program.
18. Don't get drunk when disposing of a body.
19. Bad idea to google your crimes.
20. Don't wrap the body in your own pajamas.
21. Don't dispose of the body in the cellar - put it in the attic.
22. If the car has blood in it, don't clean it, just set it on fire.
23. If you want to get away with murder, being a billionaire is helpful.
24. It's best to be a thief in a rich country.
25. Don't try to kill an Irishman with whiskey.
26. If you try to kill someone and they don't die, why not finish the job since you were already going to be a murderer?
27. Don't drop your glove. Robbers and surgeons shouldn't leave gloves behind.
28. If you want to ask someone about whether you should be committing crimes, definitely pretend it's a joke.
29. If you're risking going to prison for a really long time, let's do it for more than 190,000 rand.
30. Don't be out saying, "I kill police officers."
31. Destroying evidence is pretty smart. Clean up after your crime.
32. If you're gonna go out murdering, don't murder the mother of a famous criminologist.
33. Don't go on TV. What are you doing going on TV? What are you up to?
34. Don't tell your crimes to someone who's writing them down.
35. Leave the scene of the crime. You can't stay there. You have to go.
36. Don't return to the scene of the crime.
37. Don't take any photos.
38. Don't take records of your own crimes.
39. Always bend to the will of the Mob.
40. Leaving intentional clues for the police is not a good idea. Bro, trust me, you're leaving clues anyway.
41. If you fail to do two abductions in two days, maybe take a break, work on your technique.
42. If you're going to be burned at the stake, take deep breaths because then you'll die of smoke inhalation before the flames reach you.
43. Do your crimes better. You can at least try.
44. Again: Don't write down your crimes.
45. Don't fuck with Big Syrup.
46. Hold up the bus, lock the bus so no one can escape, and then set it on fire. I don't want to give the terrorists ideas, but I guess that one's for free.
47. Dude, you gotta get some duck tape.
48. Chainsaw's gonna be way too messy - just use a big knife.
49. Don't review your crimes.
50. There's a reason that people go to ten different hardware stores to buy all their murder equipment... because if you bought all that in one place people are gonna be like, "What's up my dude? Let me call the police."
51. Don't admit your crimes.
52. Burning things is nice.
53. If you're gonna go do some murdering, bring the weapon with you and have a plan to dispose of it afterwards.
54. If you're murdering at night, how about bringing your own form of illumination?
55. You've got to burn your clothes in a barrel somewhere.
56. Don't write down how much you hate your husband. That's weird.
57. If you're cooking crystal meth in the city, what's wrong with you? Check yourself before you wreck yourself.
58. If your crime business isn't super high profit, what are you up to?
59. Get on to that South American fisherman lifestyle and maybe get your face changed by some sketchy mob doctor south of the border.
60. If you have glasses, get contacts or laser surgery. If you're bald, get a wig or a hair transplant. If you have a beard, shave it off.
61. Don't get involved in a documentary about your crimes.
62. If you've committed a crime and it's reported in the paper, don't clip it out and keep it.
63. You do not take trophies or in the very least you don't keep them in plain view at your house or in the houses of your relatives.
64. You don't tell other people about your crimes, even your brother.
65. Don't make soap out of your victims. Not a good idea.
66. Don't deal drugs with your family. Don't deal heroin, but if you want to deal heroin, do it yourself.
67. Everyone knows you should charge 100K minimum for a hit job.
68. If you google how to commit your crime, use a VPN.
69. Don't involve your friends or your family in your crimes.
70. Too many cooks/assassins spoil the broth/murder.
71. If someone is paying you 9 million dollars to kill someone and all you have to do is provide evidence of it, you should do it yourself and it should be someone you definitely don't know.
72. Just get a fake phone number! Just get a burner phone!
73. If an online creep ever asks you to commit a crime for money, please do the right thing: Demand to see half the cash up front with the rest after the job.
74. Don't commit crimes in your own town... go to the next town.
**insert standing ovation emoji** awesome job! and in order too! #73 was last upload, teen agreed to murder for a 9 million$ payday...and forgot to get ANY of the $, much less half upfront. Now if she had had this list, maybe she would have rethought it??? Like, omg, murder looks kinda hard. hmmmmm
Certified legend!
Brilliant 😂 🤣 😂
looks like your all set😅
Someone is apparently preparing for a future in crime…
Simon, as a girl myself, if another woman who I didn’t know came up to me and started acting like my freind, I would play along. Women will sometimes do that if they are alone and feel like they’re being followed or creeped on. Saftey in numbers!
Also the uterus is in the stomach area by the hips.
but the stomach is up near to your ribs , perhaps you meant abdomen?
So Simon wasn’t thinking when he said that. I’m sure given a little thought he would figure it out just like the original Jack the Ripper. And I do think women do talk to other women easier for exactly the reason you give. And maybe some over “genetic memory” of helping each other watch out for the children.
@@Jen39x I was thinking he meant more what it is in terms of . . . location / . . . shape . . . / in order to . . . do what the individual did.
Thanks if i am ever in the mood to remove one now i know where to look. Cheers!
@@davecannabis the uterus is at the end of the vagina. i think at least 90% of you guys can find that.
“I’d have no problem shooting this guy in the face” Simon the Bloodthirsty
10/10
“Simon the Bloodthirsty” sounds like a Borderlands raid boss
@@windebiesteultima3317 Simon the Bloodthirsty Whistler sounds like a pro wrestler or an Anne Rice character
I'm sitting here hoping Simon goes full cowboy on this comrade and be like give him the electric chair!!! 27 minutes in... C'mon fact boi, let the 'merica flow through you!!
Now that is satisfying!
Haha!
Jen showing a soviet flag and playing the hymn when Simon listed the services he thinks should be free is just objectively funny and brilliant editing :D
I get a heavy vibe that Simon doesn't really know what Karl Marx actually wrote.
@@nobody.of.importance
I didn’t read the communist manifesto.
@@nobody.of.importance I get the impression most people don't.
@@BedroomBully88 he made more books than the communist manifesto lol
@BedroomBully88 Most of his stuff comes from Das capital.
Simon on Casual Criminalist: "I dont like sharing my political opinions"
Simon on BB: AM I RIGHT PETER
I’m very glad that since this show is the Casual criminalist. You’re allowed to go on more tangents. Back when I only knew about the sciencey channel, in my mind you were just a presenter. Feels nice to sorta know your stories and personality. Makes this show feel more like “your friend is infodumping to you about something they’re extremely into”. When it feels more personal I kinda enjoy it more
i feel the same way! i first found Simon through Geographics during 2020, and then in January this year i discovered this channel and its been so so wonderful to get to know him in some way!! i love his tangents, and his little stories lol
@@elizabethsayeau8305I found him through TopTenz like yrs ago,back when he didn't even have a beard 😂😂
you should watch brain blaze then
9:00 No, Breivik's pretty much guaranteed to never walk free in his life again.
While Norway does have a maximum prison sentence of 21 years which that absolute waste of air was given, there's also the provision for preventive detention, with which a prisoner's sentence can be extended if they're determined to still pose a danger to society once their original sentence is up. That detention can be renewed every five years, so actual lifetime imprisonment is possible. And in his case _extremely_ likely.
Or if he is released they'll do what they did with varg vikernes and exile him and send him to another country and then he'll be watched by the other countries government.
@@GenusUnknown He never got exiled, he moved to France after he got out of prison, continued with his hate for everything and ended up in prison again in France, out again now and still going on with his hate for anyone not "Aryan"
@@Random_Guardsman he still in south France I believe.
The "Wolf" I forgot his name
"I don't even know how to find a uterus....I know it's a woman part"
Lol well done Simon
He's a father of TWO.
TWO.
@@Cec9e13 🤣🤣🤣 His poor wife!
@@ella17734 he will never live that down with her
I’m floored. Of course, I had to explain what a cervix is to 2 male MEDICAL STUDENTS a few months back so I really shouldn’t be surprised anymore. 😂😭😭 I still love them but I don’t think I want them to be my doctor lol
@@hannahbeanies8855 omg 😂🤣🤣
David did a fabulous job of writing this script. He approached the topic without going into too much detail, but enough to let us know what had occurred. This man was an absolute monster - this could not have been easy to write.
"Thank you for watching." walks out of frame but pops back in "Or listening as well! Hello!" legit made me laugh, which was needed after such an episode. thank you
And then waves like they can see him😂
Great read for a terrible subject.
PSA: Stanger danger applies to people you know too.
Trust children, if they say someone you know makes them uncomfortable, LISTEN.
Most of the time, it's an authority figure, teacher, preacher, foster parent, or other "trusted" adult.
It's not just kids. Anyone is more likely to be the victim of crime by someone they know than a stranger.
Which is one of the reasons I don't trust anyone who has authority over others, especially those who are in a vulnerable position in some way. I've learned to be suspicious of anyone who wants to have control over others.
@@ella17734 Also not an entirely healthy approach since many, even most people who go for careers involving some level of authority (doctors, police, teachers) genuinely want to help. I prefer judging people based on merit rather than stereotypes.
@@brigidtheirish You are welcome to your opinion. I have learned from experience that it's better to be safe than sorry. What a privilege that you have made it through life with that naive, rose colored view. Many of us are not quite so lucky. 🙄 And as with most people who are hiding a predatory nature, you often don't realize it until it's too late.
@@ella17734 Don't know how judging people by their actions is naive or rose-colored. I'm certainly not going to follow someone into a dark alley regardless of their career or give out my private contact info willy-nilly. You have *no* idea what I've seen or experienced, we're just strangers on the internet. Remember what assuming does.
I'm a truck driver in Florida and I love all of Simon's work. The whole crew do an awesome job there. My hat's off to all you guys you give me through long days
Thanks!
As usual, Jen’s memes are on point. The Adele? Fantastic.
Jen is the real star of the show she’ll have you cracking up at a pikachu meme right after hearing about a grisly murder, absolute legend
I liked the lil nicky bit😁
I all most missed the soviet national anthem in the background but I didn't and I have to say I found it hilarious. 6:50
@Bradley Wow...one of the few smart people that actually puts a time code. Hour long or not, they should always be used(imo).
The boyfriend and I almost always watch an episode before bed (even if its one we've already seen) so often that when our pets hear Simon's voice they go to their beds because they know its almost time to sleep 😂
You should watch fedd reacts with myron Gaines for these tipe of serial killers
Simon, I think the tangents are necessary. In the middle of a story about murderous pedophiles, the random tangents you get on gives me a chance to take a breath. So keep doubling the length of scripts with your tangents, FactBoi!
HBO's Citizen X is well made film about the efforts to catch Chikatilo it stars Jeffrey DeMunn, Stephan Rea, Donald Southerland, and Max Von Sydow. This movie actually answers most of the questions you raised about why it took so long to catch him. The biggest block was that serial killers were believed to be a "decadent" western problem by those in charge. They refused to acknowledge that it could happen in the USSR. Also many of his victims were lured into the woods where the bodies remained undiscovered for some time.
I really like this movie.
Citizen X is, all in all, well intentioned and well-made, but I like some parts of it more than a whole. I have to say the opening scene is brief but very unsettling.
I know there is also a movie with Malcolm McDowell as Chikatilo, but I'm kinda hesitant (Citizen X was specifically praised in a "as good as Chernobyl!" kinda article so I decided to give it a try), I am into true crime, but some are too grisly even for me.
yes, i thought of "Citizen X" after Simon said that movies and TV shows about Chikitilo were all trashy and sensationalist. "Citizen X" was pretty good, and not trashy or sensationalist at all.
I saw a few clips of that and I hate how they do Russian accents, I wish it was like how in movies like Death of Stalin where it’s essentially translated into English and everyone just uses their actual accents
I didn't realize that this was the guy from Citizen X until near the end when they talked about him hanging out at the train stations. Then I had the "Oh shit!" moment. That is a twisted effed up movie, but I've always loved it.
As somebody who's been wrongfully arrested twice, once for attempted kidnapping, Simon is spot on, never talk without a lawyer, and try not to be unattractive. The latter part is honestly important.
The double negative in 'try not to be unattractive' is scrambling my brain - do I need to slap on some lippy or pretend I have a bung eye and a gammy leg? I'm not sure I cab keep the bung eye thing going..........
@@androgyny77 the biggest reason I was stopped for kidnapping was my "manor of dress." So I was essentially stopped by the fashion police.
@@Infamouslbx Aaaah, so dressing like I shop exclusively at the discount aisle in Target is not going to work in my favour, duly noted.
The Fashion Police - Lol.
@@androgyny77 I will admit that discount Target would have been a step up for me at the time, haha.
@@Infamouslbx hahaha sounds more like "don't look homeless" 😅
10:20 - Chapter 1 - First a trickle, then a flood
19:45 - Chapter 2 - The investigation
28:55 - Chapter 3 - Escalation & arrest
32:45 - Mid roll ads
35:20 - Chapter 4 - Meet Andre Chikatilo
45:05 - Chapter 5 - An attempt at a normal life
54:35 - Chapter 6 - The twist
58:10 - Chapter 7 - Blood red resurgence
1:04:55 - Chapter 8 - Russian mindhunter
1:12:45 - Chapter 9 - The timid reaper
1:16:05 - Chapter 10 - Manhunt a la moscovite noire
1:26:35 - Chapter 11 - Blood isn't spunk
1:29:10 - Chapter 12 - Trial & execution
1:34:30 - Dismembered appendices
PS: I'm pretty tired, i'll finish the summary tommorow...see ya
11- 1:26:32
12- 1:29:05
13- 1:34:23
Truly you are the G.O.A.T
One reason why you are a favourite of mine is that you have such genuine empathy for the victims and you report their often horrific and humiliating deaths with sensitivity, respect and tact. Don't worry, you are one of the good guys.
A case that I'd like Simon to do a casual criminalist on would be the case of Leonard Lake and Charles Ng. It is suitably horrific, has a manhunt that goes into Canada, a legal proceedings that go on for years and something that will get Simon really riled up, criminals video taping their crimes
simon: *goes on side tangent* "sorry you guys dont wanna hear that"
me: its literally half the reason I watch these please keep going haha
Preach!
For real! Rant on #FactBoi, rant on.
came for the true crime, stayed for the tangents
It is genuinely a nice break bewteen all of the gore, rape, murder, torture, stabbing, and all of the other mild unpleasantries I voluntarily ruin my day with.
Same
"The Soviet Union is the perfect utopia. We don't have serial killers (or any crime) in our paradise." This is the primary reason they suppressed any bad stuff that didn't fit that narrative.
Thanks, communism!
@@SerabiiBot more like thanks dictators. Communism doesn't work in practice but not every country went full stalim
Central Park 5, George Stinney, The West Memphis 3
Incompetent, and callous Justicar's will abuse the system out of convience, no matter what nation they occupy. Often resulting in monsters being given free reign, while convient scapegoats are tormented in their stead.
@@Aztesticals Yeah, not all of them went as brutal as Stalin, but the big ones did and the small ones either collapsed under their own weight or just ended up ditching communism for a less harmful evil.
@@SerabiiBot yeah doesn't work well in practice in a modernized world. Some of its principles are good to pick and choose from to add into a more mixed system but full comune don't work
A couple of corrections: Borderline personality disorder is a result of long-term sustained abuse and/or trauma in childhood and adolescence, often the individual also has a genetic predisposition to depression, anxiety or another mental illness. It's closely related to Complex PTSD. It's in the same personality cluster ( B) in the Dsmr, as NPD and psychopathy, but it's the only personality disorder that has a chance of treatment and recovery. People with BPD are not predatory in the way that the other two personality disorders are. It's not something to be scared of or vilified. People with BPD are usually more likely to hurt themselves, as suicidal thoughts are a hallmark of the condition.
Also, Viagra doesn't work for impotence that is psychological or trauma related in nature most of the time. So Pfizer wouldn't have helped. Which is further supported in this case with that he was able to achieve an erection after stabbing them, which psychologically is often equated with sex in men who have this problem.
I have BPD and you are spot on 😁 Thank you ❤
Psychopathy is not in the DSM. In the DSM it is anti-social personality disorder. Not all people diagnosed with anti-social personality are psychopaths but all psychopaths are under the anti-social diagnosis. They can be treated, however, part of the disorder is a lack of insight so it is very difficult to change behaviors unless you can help the person understand how these behaviors are negatively impacting their lives.
yick.
BPD must be such a painful and confusing thing to come to terms with. I have someone very close to me that is dealing with BPD and the most I can do is support them as best I can and the rest is up to them. Mental health issues need to be recognized and free from the stigma that they are so often attributed to. Mental health is a very real thing that requires everyone to help those afflicted with it, to understand it and respect it for what it is, and to educate those associated with it to do the same and to have them know they are not alone.
@@andaros8449 Actually, you're correct about the Dsmr, my bad. What I was thinking about is that psychopathy is considered as primary psychopathy and secondary psychopathy, which is also known as sociopathy. Both are under the umbrella of antisocial personality disorder. They're different in some ways; just as there's primary and secondary narcissism under the umbrella of NPD. Which also can present differently.
Also, I have known multiple people with APD and NPD, it's not only that they lack insight into how their own behavior has a negative impact on their lives or others, but that too often they know but either don't care or there's an aspect of self destruction or sadism and it feeds their ego.
On the prison thing in Norway, iirc Norway's maximum sentence is 30 years, so they gave him everything they could, but that *can* be reviewed and updated over the years if the person is deemed dangerous.
So Brevik is never getting out.
It's 20 years if I remember correctly. I visit Norway yearly and Nords tell me that Breivik is acting like a shithead in prison so it does not help his case.
Me after the warning at the beginning: Yeah, yeah, sure. I doubt this could be worse than the cannibals or the Aussie dude.
Me at the end of the video: *blankly staring at the snow outside my window*
The work days dragging on but here's Simon to get me through the last stretch, almost 2hrs long let's goo
So glad im not the only one that felt this way today.
Seriously the thought I had! Good on ya Simon!
You're thinking of That Chapter i.e. Let's give it a goo 😄
Same here! Lol
Facts. He’s the only UA-camr I fallow that I actually want it to be longer😂
Jack the ripper only has 5 canonical victims. And he's legendary for rapidly escalating brutality, taunting cops and getting away with it.
I think it's also an important factor that this was also the time newspapers became the massmedia of the day.
Not all those notes are definitively connected to the murderer . Some from either the usual crackpots and attention seekers, some might be from journalists looking to sell papers. Plus with the time being the Wild West of evidence handling, everything is contaminated AF.
@@RCorvinus yeah, but the From Hell letter is highly likely to be from him, that's the one with part of the liver. Also Dear Boss letter either inspired him or was from him, that's the one that said the next victim would have ears missing.
It was also legendary for the surgical precision. The Ripper title is a bit of a misnomer. The cuts were usually clean as they could be...save for the time he was interrupted.
@@Bluesit32 i think this is also very heavily disputed between various coroners who made autopsies back then.. some say it's precise some claim it's nothing particularly skilled. I guess with such a small selection of victims it is hard to tell. ..
And for example Mary Jane Kelly which he had enough time within her chamber was more butchered than dissected so i for myself think it's an exaggeration and mystification of the time to make him extraordinary skillful....
Simon is the only one that can release a video of 1 hour 40 minutes and I just go "Oh, sure!" and then just watch the whole thing. Essentially anything longer than 20 minutes that I watch are already Simon's videos to begin with, but still. This or Business Blaze and I even prefer them longer.
Vast majority of the time, statistically, it's not the stranger which poses one (especially children) the greatest risk to safety, it's those who offer familiarity...a family member, a neighbor, a workmate, a uniform, a classmate, a teacher, a pastor...More often than not it's the benign familiar person, those we are socially encouraged to place trust, respect, faith whom we are far more likely to lower our guard.
God, this is like an endurance test, like this was an idea formed by Eli Roth, Rob Zombie and Tobe Hooper.
Lol
I always love how you really suffer with us. It's kind of comforting to see you get so upset on the victims' behalf.
For us, I think.
Yes 21 years is the maximum in Norway, but he got a type of sentence that can get prolonged if (I'm guessing when) he is still seen as a threat to society. He has to qualify for release and will not be automatically released when his original sentencing is done.
He will never get out.
I always wondered about that...especially for someone like Anders Breivik. When I first heard 21 years after being found guilty of 77 murders, which averages to three months per human life he ended, that kind of blew my mind. Good to know there's a mechanism in place to keep him in prison if he's still a threat.
Yeah I remember when he was sentenced I read many an article talking about how he only got X months per victim and how terrible it was.
I thought to myself "That's can't be right can it?" so I dug a little deeper (It wasn't hard!) and found out that it's not an automatic release but rather a rolling sentence that can theoretically last forever.
So I've got to think either journalists are such idiots that *I* can find better information or they were just looking for outrage clicks. Could be both I suppose.
Saw the photo in the thumbnail and i was like "this is gonna be a wild ride"
I knew as soon as i saw “Rostov.” Russians don’t play.
Simon looking into the camera and telling me "Everything's alright. I promise" was exactly what I needed today. Thank you, favourite fact boy 👍
Simon, the last few minutes where you're describing your efforts with this channel illustrate that it's a RAZORS edge to get things right on this subject and you are doing a great job. Through everything you demonstrate respect. Well done.
101 minuets of CC? I love it!
To be fair its probably like 71 minutes of CC and 30 minuets of Simon's rambling, but i still love it, lol.
According to Simon's average wpm and the word count of the script, 10508 words, approx 55 min are commentary.
Just saying, there miiiiiight someday be a serial killer deathbed confession where the guy is like, "Yeah, I killed a bazillion people and got away with it my whole life, thanks mainly to watching UA-cam videos about how people got caught, so I learned what not to do. This guy Simon Whistler even had a whole list of tips for criminals."
Just imagine the heap of guilt Simon would feel then.
Again, just saying.
Allegedly.
Allegedly.
Yes that would be most of the world political leaders.
The psychology is usually why eventually most serial killers slip up due to the psychological disregulation. The more they get away with it the more confident they get, the more careless they are and the more risks they take. That and science moves on in ways that they cannot comprehend or predict. One guy used his GPS to plan his whole murder driving route. Needless to say the cops found all the info and the body once they opened his non-encrypted GPS data.
About the bureaucracy: the Soviets wanted to boast a 100% employment rate, so you end up with a lot of people incompetent in their jobs or just not giving a damn.
Western nations are going the same route. Differently.
There was also the issue with how obsessed the Soviet Union was with propaganda. Soviet countries were portrayed as utopias. The authorities never warned the public about a serial killer working in the area, because they couldn't allow word to get out that there was such a thing as serial killers in Utopia.
@@zarasbazaar to add to your point there was a social stigma that serial killers where products of capitalism. Also people felt they'd be looked down on by the communist party if the killer was from their peer group or town.
@@hazelhadley-britt6396 you mean how they’re going “you’re white? Sorry if you’re good for the job, but if you’re around the workplace won’t be diverse enough.”
Wow how have I not learned this sooner! Thanks so much, that really ties things together much more understandably.
I find it amazing when Simon mentions he reads a few words ahead because I can’t comprehend doing that. I would butcher my speech immensely trying to do that.
Simon, your tangent about public transport had me about dying from laughter. I spent a month in Prague several years ago, and the quiet on the metro and buses was GLORIOUS!! Especially as an introverted and shy person from America.
I think the reason Jack the Ripper is so much more popular is mostly cause we never figured out who it was and thats more intriguing then someone we have a name and a face for.
It also had to do with the time. Penny novels were VERY popular. It's the same reason Billy The Kid is so popular even though he was only an outlaw for like 2 years.
“Don’t talk to stranger if you’re a teenager.” Great advice, I was kinda intimidated into it when an elderly man almost a foot taller cornered me. So yeah I asked him what he wanted, which was apparently an opening. He prattled for a bit about my sneakers then said “girls… have such beautiful feet. All nice and slender.” I squeaked a broken thank you, ducked and ran. Btw this was in the middle of a Wendy’s and everyone just watched it go down.
I will never understand why bystanders don't intervene in a situation like that. As a father, hearing something like that happening to, in effect a child, I lose my mind. I would be the first person in there to say something. The fact that people would rather just stand by and watch and (these days), get video to show their friends, I stead of step in...
@@newman977 I really wished someone would’ve helped. I’d peeked around him and wildly made eye contact with 7 people who looked away. One rolled their eyes. It terrified me because I was 100 pounds soaking wet and next to the door, all I could think was that I’d be raped and killed before I could run to my mom’s car.
The bystander effect never ceases to astound me. The lack of action makes them think they can get away with it. Fr, I hope anyone who witnesses this doesn't wait for someone ELSE to intervene ): and
@@faerierain7536 I legit wish I could have been there for you. I don't stand for things like that, no matter if I know the person or not.
I do enjoy the show. Not in crazy way, but I'm a fan of Simon and his personality.
Have you seen his other channel: Brain Blaze? It's essentially an argument carried out between Simon, his writer Danny, and his memeologist Sam. It definitely showcases his personality
@@smittywerbenjaegermanjensen absolutely. Probably my favorite of his channels.
#ogbb
I’m beginning to think I have a problem in that the first thing I do every day is check all of Simon’s channels for new content
I am a frequently listener and I just wish to thank you all (Simon, Jenn, David, Kevin, Callum, George, and any other contributors I missed) for putting out great content! The writing and editing are great, and Simon’s humor and practical nature are brilliant! Again, just want to say I appreciate your content, and what you all do. Wishing you all the best!
I was excited that this was a long CC... I would listen no matter how long it was.. Just enjoy CC and all the wonderful people involved! Thank you for your awesome content!!!
Thanks!
Serial Killers were seen as a Western problem by the Soviet Union. This is why the USSR has so few official Serial Killers and why they were so reluctant to say there was a problem
Like China
Having now finished watching like every Casual Criminalist video after finding out about you a little while ago, I gotta say beyond being extremely good content, you have always been very respectful of the victims and the situation as whole. It has been crazy learning about just how far down into the abyss a human can sink.
What protected Chikatilo was the fact he was a card carrying member of The Communist Party. HBO made a movie based on this called Patient Zero. Brilliant docudrama. The removal of the eyes was because of an old saying that the eyes stored the last image they saw before they died.
The movie is Citizen X. Patient Zero is about the AIDS crisis.
I've waited so long for this one I studied this guy for ages and always wanted Simon to cover him in his own unique way. Thank you Simon!
Yo Simon, here in Sydney the majority of seating on the trains isn't facing inwards but forwards or backwards, and you can move the backrest of the seat to change how its facing, so pretty much everyone ends up facing them the same direction so you only see the back of the person infront of you. Our public transport is very supportive of anti-socializing.
Woah. Nearly 2 hour episode.
Let's do this.
If your in, I’m in.
Fact Boi: "This editor is master of the universe"
Brain Blaze editor: "Waht?!"
Although, I do wonder if Jen and Sam are related or perhaps spouses.
The excellent and underrated, and somewhat unknown, movie, "Citizen X," lead me to this case. Stephen Rea, Donald Sutherland, and Max Von Sydow give amazing performances.
I knew it. Yup it’s him. Lord I’m dreading this
I recall seeing that movie ages ago.
@@Big_Tex Well worth a rewatch.
"Citizen X" was a good film. It's here on UA-cam, and it's one I recommend.
It’s a phenomenal dark thriller that seems real! Do check it out Simon, I rewatched it on UA-cam for the 5th time recently.
I have to say this is the only crime Chanel I can watch and hear Horrific details of crimes and yet somehow the way Simon tells the story he makes me laugh and get through such a horrific crime story Simon please keep doing the great work you’re doing
When I was a teen, I saw a dramatization of this story on HBO. It was so chilling, I remember it like it was yesterday, and was quite accurate to the account you just gave. What a sick SOB
I think I learned about this guy in high school. He cut out the eyes because of some superstition about the image of someone’s killer would capture the image of their killer.
Most people at that time, including doctors and cops, that a murder victims' eyes would retain the last image they saw. Like a camera, I guess. 🤷
But then, those were the same highly educated doctors that would bleed people to balance their humors 😱😆
@@nobody8328 Oddly enough, bloodletting does have a proper medical use even nowadays. Reducing the risk of heart attack is one benefit.
@@bradleymoore2797 Huh, that's pretty neat. Makes sense though, less blood to push would be easier on the heart.
I've occasionally wondered if the whole blood-letting craze possibly got popular because it helped relieve the symptoms of high blood pressure, even if only temporarily.
It had to have been helpful for something? I'd like to think that even Victorian doctors would have noticed if there had never, ever been any positive results.
A sizeable number of patients back then would have been very well fed old white guys, so maybe heart disease was common enough to see occasional results? Idk.
What amazes me even more than blood letting actually being useful are the medical maggots and leeches 😮🤢😰😱🤯🤯🤯
@@nobody8328 Medicinal maggots. Well, I suppose it's that or let the gangrene spread...
@@Bluesit32 yeah, I know maggots can be useful, but I don't have to like it! 😱
The most disturbing part of all this is that there's more to his crimes than Simon went into.
Ikr o.o
There's... oh no
A pattern with serial killers who kill more than a few people: They are often arrested and then released, which then makes them non-suspects for while. So rules for police: if your serial killer gets to double digits, go look at the people you already eliminated again.
Dear Doctor, you are definitely an invested FAN and very thorough! I couldn’t stop laughing as I read and remembered all the points you mentioned. Well done 👍🏼 I hope Simon and our community here can appreciate and enjoy 😉
SMART.
Uh huh, same case with guys like Peter Sutcliffe and Gary Ridgway, Ted Bundy however released himself
@@jackhamilton9604 Bundy has to be one of the few serial killers to just pull a flat out escape by himself. I think he slipped into a different room, changed into different clothes and walked out of the building. I mean, there was no waiting car or anything. Just shocking.
@@Bluesit32 yeah I think you’re right
I just gotta say, Jen deserves an Emmy for this video today. Almost every one of these video cuts are perfect and made me LOL which says alot considering the content 😂
There is a movie on here that was made in the 90s called Citizen X. Since it was made for tv in the 90s, it wasn't the torture porn trash that we get nowadays that turns the killer into a celebrity. It centered on the investigation and at times I had to take mental health breaks seeing how frustrating it was trying to catch this guy, just because of the Soviet Union. Detective Buchanovsky was briefly institutionalized because of how burnt out he was and his superior had to blackmail the commanding officer in order for him to get a break. It gave me a new appreciation for how the people who were actually doing the work against all of the odds. I highly recommend watching it, even if it is a bit dated.
It's kind of crazy that his wife and daughter didn't separate themselves from this killer until the guy targeted his grandson. I guess the truth of "don't target people close to you if you want to get away with crimes" is pretty damn accurate
Also, no matter the evidence, you can always see the best in someone if you love them.... Which is scary.
Simon you have to think like a city mayor. Even if putting tons of 'Uni's' on the street is a dumb move for actually catching a serial criminal, it's what the local citizens want to see, if only for a false sense of safety and tax dollars being used to DO SOMETHING! And as far as a mayor is concerned, simply scaring the danger to some other town is FIIIIIIIIINE.
I think it's interesting that you often end your particularly sad and hard-to-swallow videos with unease towards receiving likes on it. i find myself making sure to hit the like button on your videos, especially ones like that, because of the fact that you handle these types of topics in such an honest, kind, and competent fashion.
Seriously. Simon clearly isn't exploiting these stories for the internet and that makes me more likely to hit the like button.
David definitely understands the assignment. This that gourmet shit 😂
Thanks!
I'm from Russia. Cause Chikatillo were executed on February 14 many people are joking about spending Day of saint Chikatillo and giving around "Chikatillkies" Instead of "Valentinkies" (That's how we call Valentines postcards here)
WELCOME TO ANOTHER EPISODE OF...
CAN SIMON PRONOUNCE THAT NAME?!?
Ah, I love it. Another great episode, Simon, mate
Please do an episode on Howard Marks, aka Mr Nice. His story is rather amazing, and most of what people have covered only include his life up to his book "Mr Nice". He was involved in some other rackets afterwards as well, as documented in "Mr Smiley: My last pill and testament". While he was a criminal, he was a non violent criminal, it would make a change from teenage hit squads and cannibals is all I'm saying.
The Afghan Skunk called Nordle , made by his friend Shantibaba is not like. The strongest weed in the world, but it’s a pretty good super skunk.
On the part of Simon talking about fearing being rude to dismiss a random stranger talking to you, just... better rude than dead? If the Casual Criminalist teaches us anything, really.
Dr. John Bodkin Adams. 1946 to 1956. 163 of his patients died in a coma. 132 of his patients that died had willed him money or items upon their death. The episode would be incredibly long. But this guys is the worst and whats makes the story even more terrifying. Dr. John Bodkin Adams never spent a day in prison for his crimes.
Breivik is from Norway, and don't worry. He's never getting out. It's 21 years as a standard, but it can be extended, if he is still a danger to society.
The Scandinavian system, where the focus is primary on helping people instead of punishing them, has a very low percentage of repeat offenders. You can get help with substance abuse, get therapy and even get an education. This lowers the risk of coming back.
Don't worry Simon, I know it's tough material to talk about, but we do enjoy your commentary on these horrible crimes. I do like learning about these stories, and you do a fantastic job telling them, but it's nice to know someone else feels disgusted by these acts, and we're not all bad people. Thank you Simon, David, and Jen, it was a great episode!
18:00 I think Simon forgets just how much harder it was to communicate over large distances back in the 70's , 80's. It's not like they had linked data basis to make connections.
Right; and there was a certain level of provincialism to authority in Russia even in the Soviet days, that would've prevented the sharing of information about unsolved crimes over as wide of an area as this creature worked. Russia's a big place; and local authorities were used to working without central direction for stretches of time (like harsh winters). It becomes a habit. Even the idea of being able to track his movement via the internal travel control system (which was paper and not electronic), which we would take for granted now, would be laborious to the point of near-impossible at the speed of communication even in the 1990s, much less the 1980s.
The gifs were perfectly placed and on point in this one, right up there with Sam's finest vintage memes. My compliments to the editor.
Also, when Simon talks about "industrialized" murder being somehow worse, I think that's what Hannah Arendt meant when she talked about "the banality of evil" in her book about the trial of Adolf Eichmann. The Holocaust showed us the immeasurable callousness and cruelty that all ordinary people are capable of with just a small amount of mental detachment and rationalization, and that's not something we like to think about.
I sometimes forget about Eichmann. Never before had anyone turned the systematic killing of a people into something that was akin to factory work. They had quota. A minimum number to reach before the end of a month. And each number was a person's life. Sometimes it's hard to pick who is worse. The ones who enjoyed the atrocities or the ones who regarded them as just another day in the office. They would go home and complain about their work load rather than the horrors they witness...well, if they were allowed to speak of it anyway.
When I hear UA-camrs say "Don't Talk To Strangers" I always hear Rick Springfield going through my head since I was in high school in the 80s.
Simon, you are SUCH a European! Americans are all about talking to stranger. As Will Rogers famously said, "A stranger is just a friend I haven't met yet"
Hey Simon, that dude in Norway, they do have provisions for life sentences.
When the time comes for his release, he will go up in front of a Judge again and they will extend the sentence. He will never be released.
Did not know this. I always learn something from the comments.
Once again, thank you Simon and writer David for talking about the Holodomor and bringing more awareness to it. Russia still denies it was a genocide to this day. Some modern-day communists and those who romanticize the Soviet Union blame the Ukrainian people for "poor farming practices." My great-grandparents got lucky and moved to the states to start their family, if they had stayed in Ukraine, my great-grandparents, my grandfather, and his 8 siblings would have easily starved to death in what is the Breadbasket of Europe.
No one should starve to death in the Breadbasket of Europe
100% agree.
A Genozid has to be planned. I'm not an expert but from what I have read it seems to be just pure incompetence and ignorance. It was a horrible and totally avoidable catastrophic event nonetheless.
@@sebastianriemer1777 It was a genocide against the Ukrainian people. Stalin wanted to curb Ukrainian nationalism and the desire for independence. It was planned, maybe not to the extent that it became with people resorting to cannibalism, but it was planned as a way to keep them in check.
I'm not sure where you looked up the Jack the Ripper info but there were only five victims who were officially attributed to him: Mary Ann Nichols, Annie Chapman, Elizabeth Stride, Catherine Eddowes and Mary Jane Kelly. Interestingly, according to Hallie Rubenhold in her book, "The Five: The Untold Lives of the Women Killed by Jack the Ripper", its possible that none of the women were actually professional prostitutes. I strongly recommend it aside appears to be a subject you would find interesting. It is a wonderfully revealing book and gives a great insight into the terrible disenfranchisement that the poor, and especially poor women, endured during Victorian London.
Yes. Lots of women did a bit of part time prostitution to keep their heads above water.
However it needs to be borne in mind that the great majority of all people throughout history were poor and lived lives of relentless toil and grinding poverty. Even the middle classes/petit bourgeoisie lived a precarious existence and could easily lose everything and sink to the gutter at the drop of a hat.
That is the case worldwide. Lack of hunger and more widespread prosperity is a very recent phenomenon.
Nevertheless, in between hunger, illness and insecurity, people managed to pursue trades and interests, fall in love, travel, have fun. It’s amazing how resilient the human race is!
I too am curious where he saw 13, as the only kid I knew in high school who knew their names LOL.
@@fainitesbarley2245 you are very insightful. Yes, people have plied trades, etc throughout the long centuries on the journey to now and so did the "the Five". The factor, other than being poor women, that these had in common, was that all five were alcoholic. In a subculture known for heavy drinking, they were known for their alcoholism. I have been thinking that I may do some looking into changing perspective and seeing if that could be why they were targeted or it became a tool in luring them into risky behavior. Maybe when I retire.
@@VoodooAngel63
Easier to spot? Staggering alone along dark alleys?
Less likely to be missed early?
Or as you suggest - a target in a pub for a few extra drinks then.......
@@fainitesbarley2245 And much more likely to make imprudent choices overall.
IN the USA the homicide rate is now 7.8 per 100,000 people (14.4 per 100,000 in Louisiana) .
In Norway it's like 0.4 per 100,000.
Norway (and other Scandinavian countries) don't need maximum sentences like the USA.
However, in Norway maximum sentences can be extended for extreme cases, like mass murderers.
There just aren't many mass murderers in those countries. You are 36x more likely to be murdered in New Orleans than in Copenhagen
There's always that moment when you start a CC episode and you're bracing yourself for a really creepy or scary epiosde. I'm less than 5 minutes in and Simon's saying how scary this one might be and I'm like 'Aw crap do I want to listen to this?'😥 😂 Thankfully Simon is there for help guide us through it all *she says before watching the rest of the episode*
Gotta recommend the HBO film about this, I think called Citizen X. It had Stephen Rea and Donald Sutherland and focused mostly on Bukhanovsky, the behavioral psychologist. He wanted to do a lot of the things during the investigation that Simon kept suggesting but the bureaucracy kept tying his hands. Frustratingly sad, pretty decent movie.
I saw a few clips of that and I hate how they do Russian accents, I wish it was like how in movies like Death of Stalin where it’s essentially translated into English and everyone just uses their actual accents
Almost two hours of the Casual Criminalist?!? I’m so happy 😭
Normally this would be where I ask if you're Moby in real life, but that question can wait. I like this podcast series. Your sassy, excitable delivery makes the well-written scripts that much more engrossing and interesting to listen to. The research done is excellent. I learned things I didn't even know about serial killers I've studied in Psychology classes. I really enjoy how more of your personality shines through in these podcasts. It's refreshing and a nice take on true crime.
23:12 Homosexuality is no longer illegal in Russia (decriminalised in 1993), but they have a law against "propaganda of non-traditional sexual relationships". Of course the definition of "propaganda" is deliberately left vague so that it can be used against any gay people the police don't like (hint, that's all gay people). Even something as simple as showing a rainbow flag or kissing in public could be considered propaganda.
If it's any consolation my mother told me, back when I was 5 years old, "Don't ever accept a ride from anyone except for me or your father, not even the preacher." So, when our pastor asked me if I needed a ride home, I said, "My mom says I'm not to accept a ride from anyone except for her or my dad, not even the preacher." When the pastor told my mom about it, he thought it was hilarious, and I got lots of praise from my parents for following directions. At that point in my life I had vivid red hair, and because I lived in Japan at the time I really stuck out in a crowd.
Also, when I did medical transcription at home, an internet outage really caused me problems, since it usually happened when I was trying to do rush jobs.
I do hope that you're taking care of your own mental health, Simon. This is a lot of dark stuff to have to process. Love the storytelling! I also thought Citizen X was a decent move.
The acting was very good. I agree the standards for exploitative violence are changing for the better...so that movie got no extra points in that area but it could have been worse.
Aint nuttin casual about a one man hour and forty one minute cold read. Bravo to your stamina and Davids ability to write a novella on the fly.
I feel bad for the family members of these people. Imagine finding out your parent our partner killed over FORTY people. How do you even begin to process that??
The only joke I ever remember my Russian ex telling:
Andrei Chikatilo and a little boy were walking hand-in-hand into the forest as the sun set.
The little boy says: Mister, I'm scared!
Chikatilo replies: *Youre* scared? I have to walk back alone.
Very well done on this story. There is a movie about this sick man on UA-cam (forget the name) and helps explain things, your episode does as well. The removal of the eyes was because there was a belief that they (eyes) held the image of what a dieing person saw, that’s why he took them….or so I’ve read.
I'm not sure if I find Simon's incredibly English-middle-class naivete about how the Police work, and have always worked, pretty much everywhere, endearing or terrifying.
Both
I love the clunky music Jen plays when Simon goes on a tangent.
He got off easy with that execution. He should've been sent to one of those awful prisons in the middle of Siberia and live the rest of his life getting the shit beat out of him by the other inmates. You shove that guy in there, tell the other inmates what he did to kids, and they'll give him a worse punishment than any court could.
Have you done any vids on Varg Vikernes? He was the infamous black metal musician from MayheM and Burzum. Back in the 90s, he murdered a former bandmate, burned down multiple churches, got a "maximum sentence", and he's already out of prison.
One case that's close to me personally is the 1989 murder of Theresa "TJ" Monaghan in Cape May County, NJ. She went to high school with me, but early in my senior year, she was murdered by her brother. Rumor was, he bashed her head in with a hammer.