NEO STRAFING - The Movement tech that went too far
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- Опубліковано 8 тра 2022
- I hope this calms some nerfes :)
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Dude, your clear and concise way of handling awkward situations like this is par-none. You're so good at being straightforward and simple with your approaches to these things and I can only commend you for it.
Appreciate it very much :) This script particularly was one i rewrote a lot. To throw out unnecessary tangents or add details where there might be confusion for the viewer.,
hey its the hollow knight guy that showed me how to do the flower quest
@@Mokeysniper mad respect
windette you play/watch apex content?
@@eamonkroening5808 used to play a decent amount but I'm aweful because I have 0 gamesense
Mokey is a vital pillar of this community. Protect him at all cost
what would apex movement be without someone like Mokey
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@@backpain8688 I don't think mokey himself makes movement techs, but he does document them and also works with respawn for movement
Ah there it is. You want us to put walls around him? Put him in a cage or something?
I'll agree when Respawn limits the use of cfg files to around 3-4. That cheat movement is busted in 1v1, I tried it myself. We need to maintain skill ceiling and not some automated no skill movement.
This right here!
such a good idea limiting cfg files would both make the op cfg files non usable and also let us use some configs for limiting fps changing fov (i personally don't change fov but limiting my fps really helps with consistent fps on my screens refresh rate) etc i would love it if respawn actually made the same changes you said in this comment idk how much config files meme strafing uses but it seems like a lot to do something like that
all the MnK players will cry themselves to death on a hill that controller has bigger advantage over MnK. high on copium
@@RedxDJCashpal huh, I am MnK and I am convinced that controllers only advantage are closerangefights but thats it. I think MnK is much better than Roller overall. Tho I didnt play controller for too long.
@@RedxDJCashpal found the controller noob
Movement should require skill. Not a link to a config file.
Said guy with controller on pfp thats all about aim assist doing all the aiming work for you hahahaha
@@ALLinDRAMAaiming with ur thumbs vs using ur whole arm but keep complaining about controllers tho
Cause u guys are shit. I have no skill :) good players laughing about this discussion.
SAYS YOU BRO YOU HAVE A CONTROLLER IN YOUR PFP THE IRONY
@@mallo6316you have a literally robot tracking your opponent everywhere, if it doesn’t help turn it off and upload a video of you playing
see this is professional advice formulated in a clear understanding to convey the point. kudos to you mokey
Professionalism is calling people dickheads. Aight imma start doing that at work
I respect you being humble and admitting you using these files. I also respect you for providing which can lead to more people using this while hopefully this being seen by respawn so they can fix these files
As far as I'm concerned, any non-human input whether its a macro that automatically performs a movement tech, or an AI based aimbot that gives you aim assist. Any non-human input should be bannable.
This is not a single player game, any software or tool that gives you an advantage against players cannot be allowed.
I'm not saying these movement techs should be bannable, only the software that facilitates the automation of them, as far I'm concerned if you are skilled enough to do this consistently legitimately, then I deserved to die.
agreed any automation that leads to the result that more than one action is abstracted into just one action is a macro and should be banned
@Rye Bread Cringe
@@fullcounter3308 true imo they should still allow them on the firing range for shenanigans and fun stuff but not in the actual game where it will ruin other players experiences
sooo... aim assist?
@@MW-kf9rf I believe this person is saying that any special hardware and external software to the game that may be used to easily and simply perform very difficult and complex actions requiring multiple or continuous inputs in a series that may be nearly or actually impossible with traditional or ordinary inputs should not be tolerated due to the notion that it gives a significant advantage over a person who is not using them. Since aim assist is a standard and supported feature in the game for all controller players, it would be relatively safe to assume it is not included in the same argument. In my opinion, the reason people are upset is because they feel that these tools allow their users to perform in ways they would otherwise not be remotely capable of with commonly accepted hardware and traditional inputs. They feel that this drastically lowers the skill ceiling and is unhealthy and toxic for general gameplay in a commonly competitive setting as it is unnaturally augmenting a player's input without any significant skill or increase in skill required to perform such advanced actions, maneuvers, and techniques.
Omg I'm being spoiled by the great video explanations on lurch that was a fantastic intro. Now I have two, this and Zweeks
can't wait to see the evolution of lurch tech
in the casual world its to make fun of people who cant aim , in diamond2 + lobbies youre gonna get shit on anyway
@@ryder7331 oh well, thats quite a interesting way of seeing it I guess
Very well explained as usual Mokey, you always find a way to explain an awkward or unusual/complex tech in an elegant way that's easy to understand. I like your stance on the whole issue with it as well, much love.
You know its a problem when even kbm players say it shouldnt be used
yeah because we spend so much time learning stuff like pito strafing just for some bozo to go and set up a config file to do it automatically, it feels cheap, and undeserved.
@@SynchroFPS yep
@@SynchroFPS pito is dick in spanish froms chile lol
@@SynchroFPS trueee, ive got some friends who use cfg superglides and i call them out on it
@@demc8562 good on u :)
Congrats on 200k man, hope you’re having a good Monday
Mokey, from what I have tested in the firing range using all the characters( including horizon), there is no 0.4 second time limit for lurches unlike titanfall2 which has this limit. Using jumpads and shooting the targets while on top of them to go flying in low gravity, I was able to lurch and eventually tap strafe in multiple complete circles before touching the ground even without the use of horizon and her passive. I believe it is hard to lurch for longer in an actual game having to do with air acceleration being lower than titan fall. Thus making lurches give the player less degrees of movement unless glitches in the firing range that cause in air motions to change
From my testing it only worked during the 0.4 seconds though? Idk what testing you did but both games use source engine so I can't see why one would have a limit of 0.4 and another wouldn't
@@mannb1023 You can change it, it's just called jump_keyboardgraceperiodmax in tf2, so the value can be changed by devs
@@lopsidedanxiety4190 well yeah, but I don't think they changed it is what I'm saying
@@mannb1023 I think they did change the lurches as I am able to lurch in many directions through the whole time when jumping off of high ledges or using a jump pad with using the double jump on it.
He was probably just air strafing
Allowing this is like allowing TAS tools to be used in regular speedruns
Exactly, idk how this isn’t bannable already
CFG files and binds are accesible to all players tho
@@manuelsoares4343 and TAS tools are "available" to all speedrunners
@@Olivertree75 are you familiar with the concept of an analogy
@@manuelsoares4343 Yeah theoretically hacks are also accesible to all internet users and all they do is add or moderate some existing game files just like cfg files. Does this mean that these should not be bannable as well?
Amazing videos and love you for condoning meme strafing and clearing the name of neo strafing thanks!
Damn this whole time I thought it was called Neo Strafing like Neo from the Matrix cause of the joke that dodging bullets is entering the Matrix like from the movie
Isn’t that why it’s called neo strafing? Why else
@@dequasont1063 watch video
At first I thought that too
@@dequasont1063 the guy that can do it without cfg files calls himself neo
@@limitlesskh it’s literally impossible without cfg files or macro, you can only do 3 hops max w/o it
Thank you dude this is awesome I've been on pc for 4 months n the learning I've done to what I've seen its sad that I've seen this now dedication and practice is all you need
Same bro, past couple months I've changed my keybinds to get better movement and such, and it takes skill to actually do movement teh instead of using cfgs, kinda lame to the people that use cfgs (I also started to learn how to superglide recently and today I got 4 in a row)
love the short clean simple intro!
thank you :) yeah i started my "Yo whatsup Mokey here" intro to get more people to realise that its mokey. not moNkey. I feel i achieved that. so now i can trim the fat and get into the content and hook the viewer from the first second.
thank you for explaining lurches and how they work im currently trying to get deeper into apex movements and trying to learn movement tech for revenant i would like to try to incorporate neo strafing (no cfg files) into what i use regularly
I'm on console with most of my friends, and the meme strafing thing has brought up with my friends (yet again) the whole: "console can't tap-strafe or momentum lurch" topic. I am an avid movement player, and being confined to console (for reasons I won't disclose), and I honestly don't think it makes a difference. Console can superglide backwards, something I do a lot, aim-assist, full 360-movement, and I can contest all of my better PC friends in 1v1s. I agree with everything you have said, and honestly admire your no-nonsense opinion on this.
fellow console player here. YOU CAN SUPER GLIDE BACKWARDS?! Sorry haha I had no idea that was a tech available to us. I've genuinely never tried it.
Does aim assist work against other players in firing range?
Sam if ur broke then just say that broski
@@kyuu_09 Of course
ew console
Hey Monkey loved the vid as usual. I was watching a TF2 speedrun video the other day where they mentioned using a neutral input (A+D together) before letting go of one side, to enter an air strafe without incurring lurch. It had huge implications for TF2 since lurching slows you down. I was wondering if you or anyone else had any ideas on how this could be implemented in Apex movement? Maybe its just not that useful in this game but I wanted to share! Have a good one!
It doesn't seem very useful in apex mostly due to you usually not being airborne for nearly as long as in titanfall. It could be useful to know for octane jump pads but I think that's mostly it
it just allows you to move the same way you would on console where it autosmooths lurches while also having the ability to stack lurches when you want to
Mokey I hope you understand how well respected you are in the Apex community. This video further illustrated that for me. Your content is very neutral while also being informative and engaging. It's a nice change compared to the stereotypical apex content out there these days.
Also love the intro!
great video as always, and i really like the clean intro animation
Noice congrats on 200k
Hey mokey, so how does Neo actually do the real neo strafing tech? will you cover how this works in your aforementioned lurch vid?
he just uses the real inputs. ofc its not the same as cfg, but he is able to do a few lurches
If you saw the clip the way that neo does it without config is only a forward momentum way meaning he only goes forward and has no back imput and is not standing in place like with the config neo strafing
@@Fuzefromr6 i’ve seen the original clip just not from his pov
@@hypnotic_o im pretty sure that 4:36 is the clip that had neo or atleast a version of what neos doing
@@Fuzefromr6 that’s pito strafing
Congratulations on 200k.
Damn, for someone who has to put an effort in learning those movement techs (I'm still learning, not that good yet). This macros, config files & game file altering makes the effort i put in feel cheap/useless. When i face off with someone who can use all this movement, I felt amazed & inspired. But when there's a possibility that they're just using things like these.... it's just disappointing.
i agree, when u reach the point that you need macros in order to pull off some movement tech it becomes completely uninteresting and boring to me so im sticking with learning tap strafes completely manually
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Please dont call this a movement “tech” - macros are one thing, but altering game files maliciously to gain an unfair advantage is cheating
@@dequasont1063 Its actually the other way around, using macros is cheating (since youre using third party software to gain an advantage), while altering configs is not cheating, since youre just using an option given to you by the devs themselves. Configs are (at the core) just advanced settings.
@@Simon-gx1hd explain to me how neo strafing is fair
I saw that neo strafe live on stream! Glad you showed it, because it was wild.
I think the solution to this is to re-evaluate the range of movement that we (respawn) want in this game. Then uncoupling this from lurches to ensure that insane movement such as the meme stafe is impossible without sacrificing the general mobility increase that tapstrafing gives.
This especially in combination with the fact that this is specific to m&k, requires rebinding of keys, etc.
I'm not for the removal of tapstrafing at all, but I do want it to be made a real feature, possible on all input formats and limited to non-busted movement
Make it accessible without lowering the skill ceiling
As a console player who’s V consistent with supergliding, the concept of people abusing configs instead of learning how to actually do them is quite frustrating. I’d like to point out you can hold bangalores smoke out while going for them and you’ll see where the timing is. I’m not sure how many variables actually change the timing besides object height, finding areas to superglide and then airstrafing into multiple edge slides and redirecting by facing backwards feels really damn good, especially after beaming/getting beamed all day
Its much easier for you to do superglides on console , good luck tryna do them without cfgs on pc
It’s all us console players have is super glide, which is amazing but I still can’t believe respawn allows the use of config files while they’ve done everything to keep console movement as basic as they can, ie: the removal of punch boosting
@@meyr1992 not much easier but easier but not bc of console jus bcs of fps
@@abyzz6252 its way easier. Last gen consoles only run at like 40 fps. I went from ps4 at 42 fps and to pc at 144fps and now got a 6900xt at 280 fps. Its extremely harder to get super glides at 280 fps than at 42
@@X9xTheReaperx8X i feel like u misread my comment or something
This video is literally the best explanation of lurch in Apex you've done so far! Even over the dedicated one 🤭
Yo happy 200k mokey keep it up
I appreciate this take,as a season 0 player it took time n effort to learn how to move,glide and aim in this game and to have a macro or a config for those is a bit unjust on the others that struggled to learn and get better
Same, I started in season 0 (mind u I started on ps4) when I went to PC (around season 9) I learned how to tap strafe and superglide and all these cool movement techs that now can just be done using cfg files, It takes real skill to actually be able to do movement and not really on a cfg to do it
I’m gonna say this here for anyone who’s learning superglides: they’re not that hard and really don’t require a config file. Sure it makes them consistent but that ruins the fun of hitting one. Just learn to do it normally, eventually you can hit them almost every time, and once you learn to tap strafe out of them, even if you screw up you can still dodge bullets. Don’t be a loser and use macros or configs for them, it’s just not fun.
I just recently finally got it down. I'm not great at it but I'm finding when I try to do it I'm doing it more consistently. Just went into the firing range and kept trying and I finally figured out the timing. So rewarding
*supergliding
Can you do it without without capping your fps? Because I really don't even undsrstand how to cap it.
@@ramenemu_4376 Yes, it just makes the timing more precise if you don't.
@@silentdude56k alright I see time to spend a undetermined amount of time "trying" to learn this.
ik your not going to see this, but thank you so much for your explanation on normal lurching. Watching tutorials I did not understand what it was. I understood the series of keys to press, but didn't actually understand what it is.
Very keen for the advanced lurch strafing video. That titanfall lurch video mokeysniper posted about the other day, I watched it and am big brain now on movement tech and want to learn more😁
Don't say that there are meme-strafe configs for free. Instead, say: “If you're miserable enough to buy these things, you deserve to get ripped off”.
You don't buy anything? Wtf
My stance with CFG files is that it isn't wrong if you are using it for things such as resolution stretching, fps capping, reticle changes, etc. But when it impacts movement in ways that are practically inhuman you kind of have a problem. I would say meme strafing falls under this category and shouldn't be used, and superglide configs are borderline as they are within the realm or realistically pulling them off.
In my opinion superglide configs are fine since the tech is frame dependent and its really difficult to consistently superglide on 240+ fps
@@angeldxst Apex becomes really weird over 200+ fps. I hard cap mine to 189fps with config files and I assume that a lot of pros do this as well.
Although I do use the superglide config files I am still able to perform superglides without them albeit inconsistently.
I think that the config files help tremendously with the timing but once I get the hang of it I am definitely removing them.
@@angeldxst if you can't use it in ALGS you're probably being a dickhead
@@leek_san most pros play capped at 240 i believe unless they play controller. i play on 143 since im on controller and can do superglides pretty consistently without configs but i understand why people use them, the timing is really difficult.
@@leek_san pretty sure devs fixed the over 190 fps issues
I love your videos They are so entertaining, informative and easy to understand even for a non-native English speaker, great work.
appreciate you clearing up this stuff
Maybe a hot take, but I kinda don't mind meme strafing, movement configs, or ways to abuse movement systems in general. I think this movement is interesting, and the configs just make it more accessible (paying for configs is stupid though). I personally use a config in tf2 that has a few things that simply movement (ex: binding space to jump and a timed crouch to get a c tap jump). I guess I'm more a fan of gameplay depth over accessibility.
100% agreed, unique movement is what makes apex for me. Removing or banning novel movement mechanics is just so lame when it adds so much depth and increases the skill ceiling past just being good at aiming and strategising.
if it was accessible by using macros, then sure
we don’t mind the movement..until it requires no skill like the .cfg then it’s just no skill braindead movement
Meanwhile controller players completely oblivious to all of this controversy just chillin
Mokey, did Respawn remove tap-strafing on Apex's new season? I haven't tried it yet and I'm kind of anxious because of the last season talks about tap strafing...
I didn't understand it or care to learn about it when I first saw it because my thought process was "If it is in fact new, and it is important or significant, mokey will surely have a video on it, so I'll just wait to watch that and not worry about it for now"
Pito strafing... Uh... Spanish speaking people will understand how bad of a name choice that was
mokey you used the wrong too!
mokey, what's your reticle? i like that cyan reticle but i dont think its the same as the recommended cyan but idk im colourblind
I tried to learn meme strafing, had no idea how it worked and accidentally learned pito strafing lol
This is the final nail in the coffin convincing me to remove the superglide config files, the funny thing is that I found them from this channel lmao. I still love you mokey don't worry.
also congrats on 200k man
Config file movement tech is straight up cheating. Should be treated the same as aimbot. Mousewheel to W and jump, up and down should be the limit IMO. Of course, this can be done in game with no config file modifications.
If the devs let us do it entire within their game with no 3rd party software then I can't get mad at any players for doing it, even if it is obviously unhealthy for the game. All they need to do is block the exec command from the autoexec. They've removed commands in the past like alias so this would be the simplest fix to meme strafing config chains.
95% of controller preds uses 3rd party softwares, you should talk abt these first before complaing abt movement config
devs have full control over launch options like configs, they've removed them in the past. when it's bannable ill stop ;) until then continue to get dunked on
@@manirule8779 I want to be angry. But your Isaac Newton PFP and badass attitude has won my heart.
Is using superglide with config file bad?
I'm just started playing apex, so i didn't know about that.
wow this is the first video that i found that actually explained tap strafing
just have respawn get rid of more than 3 stacked sideways and backwards lurches, wont get rid of the tap strafing we know and love, while also keeping the old redirects and circle strafes.
The fact that you have to change script and put in a code has me astounded no one has called this what it is. Cheating. Its called hacking movement. And I don't see how its any different than speed hacking.
what? config files have existed in every single source based game ever. you are loosely associating "script" and "code" with cheating with 0 basis lmfao
@@AureumChaos No if you need to macro a pattern in config files for movement, you're cheating. If you're arguing, you're dumb. If you think you're cool for pointing out the technical definitions of the words I used you really are. The coolest....
@@Algorythmfpv Configs exist for a reason and are permitted by every single source game.. they are not "cheating" in any way
@@AureumChaos Half the community is outraged by the simple use of a key bind to a scroll wheel and you're going to try to justify macroing mass button patterns in the config files because they aren't ban able? dude get a fucking life.
@@AureumChaos sorry but macros have been viewed as a handicap by everyone with any sense of morality since gaming's inception.
I'd prefer if they just removed the ability to apply lurches with the scroll wheel by making it so the inputs have to be held down for a certain amount of time before they register or something (like the time of a click or button press). (I don't think you can scroll wheel tap strafe in Titan Fall 2). I don't think all mechanics should just be removed or nerfed to oblivion just because they can be strong but I also don't think all should be kept just because they're fun. I'll leave it in Respawn's hand to decide what's fair and what's not but my personal problem with many of the movement tech in the game is that some are platform exclusive in a crossplay game.
train clip is a classic lmao
if you need a macro or to mess with the configuration its cheating flat out. im a pc player who loves the movement ..... but this is cheating...
Clean peacekeeper kill outro
so idk anything but I use steam configs that allows me to tapstrafe and to superjump easily.. is that frowned upon also?
well i have to change my stance about lurch tech cause of this and say that i think limiting it to 3 like in the S12 network test was the correct move, i love tap strafing out of fights but this kind of thing is too far
I found out you can do this on controller without any cfg files. By binding WASD into a single button (mine is on B/circle since i jump with L1 and crouch with R1) and doing circles with your movement stick at a specifc speed allows you to meme strafe on controller. Its really hard to do, but possible. I also set my jump button to be on turbo so i can just hold it down instead of having to spam it. I dont find the tech all that useful but its pretty fun to do in the range.
thats a config silly
@@ms_smurf its a config yes, but not a config file. config files are basically just legal macros while binding buttons to your controller is the same as a mnk player binding W to scrollwheel
Brah you're binding 4 keys to one, how do you not think that's a macro?
@@Dopeskunk its not a macro, im rebinding keys to different buttons which is exactly what you do on mnk. im not using any software to do this its all in the steam controller settings.
New intro? Looks clean Mokey.
Man is scared the axe is coming for his beloved tap strafing
In the bad business community, there was a similar movement tech we called mom sliding
Congrats on the 200k hand reveal!
Wow now I know why in control mode I had people moving like this, was crazy.
very informative, thank you
i dont know why but its really satisfying hearing mokey call people dickheads lmao
what mouse do you use?
Are you allowed to use a config file because on my alt I have one, but I don’t use that account anymore because I learned how to do it without a file
You my friend are an absolute legend!
And this and alot of cfg file abusing is why ive given up on ranked and overall comp. You just got another sub. Cheers mate. 🙌
Even though I know this is practically useless to me since I am on console, it's still very entertaining learning about new movement tech.
"SHUT IT DOWN,"
-Revenant
I’ve seen an octane do these a hood while ago just thought my mans had the fingers of flash wasn’t that deep
i guess thing entire thing can be summed up as a "source engine moment"
i had a friend who saw that video. he practiced this for like three seasons by now, and can get it consistently for over four revolutions without configs now
I love what Mokey does for the Titanfall/apex community
but who played what role in this childish situation!?
great vid Mokey :)
imagine if this catches on an they really do remove tap strafing for real
Hearing mokeysniper curse in a super calm tone is very jarring
* slams desk *
ILLEGAL MOVEMENT!
straight to jail
* boink *
That pito strath at the end is what is being abused in apex mobile
Opinions on controller players using steam configuration to bind tap strafing to controller on PC? Technically it's a macro but without it they will never be able to tap strafe.
Since lurches were already a thing in titanfall 2, woudn't it be possible to memestrafe in TF|2?
I was hoping this season to have punch boosting back ;(
gotta love that avocado on toast
Umm just a question i know certain games their files arent publically accessible so why not just get rid of the ability to see or edit those specific files or for ranked have it run a secondary background process during the "waiting for players" portion of the lobby that checks the files for changes possibly could be used to detect hackers come to think of it i mean it doesnt seem all that hard but then again i am not an expert actually far from it there is probably a reason why whst i have said cannot be done but nevertheless a file scan background process to see for specific file changes that have been known to be linked to hacking and automatically send a report with the attached changes to respawn can be implemented i am sure of it probably not easy but stull can be done
You don't even need Amy access to apex files to do this because it's just a macro. Anyone can run a macro to do multiple inputs. Without any files from the game
@@60horsedoover600 ohhhh i guess ya thats true
I thought it was named Neo strafe because of the well known scene of Neo from the matrix dogging bullets.
The movement professor FR
2:52 This didn't age well. Now neo-strafing is a common exploit with controller players.
I don’t use cig files to superglide, I get it around every 1-3 to 1-6 times depending on the situation
Lmfao I did the pinto strafing but didn’t even realize it was strafing
Mokey truly is an Ace in the community. Then we have people like taxi….
WHAT DO YOU MEAN LIKE TAXI????
Yo mokey if you ads on a grav cannon you get a load extra air control its pretty cool
Three words: you. are. professional.
I honestly had no idea that messing with config files was a big deal, i have been using my null input config from team fortress 2 since day one
Null movement inputs don't tend to lend to massive advantage, in team fortress, player acceleration and deceleration were fast enough to make use of it.
In Apex with the movement it has, you aren't likely to get much use out of a Null movement script simply because of how the player acceleration and deceleration are much slower by comparison, and even if it were to have an affect, it will unlikely lead to anything advantageous
the intro slaps
Скажите пожалуйста, нео стрейф понерфили? Больше его сделать не получится самому мышкой и клавиатурой?
Very cool. Thank you ape scout