Excluded From the Assembly? (Deuteronomy 23:1-8) - 119 Ministries
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- Several groups of people are said to be excluded from the “assembly of YHWH”, and this leaves us with some questions. How can a loving Creator exclude anyone? Who all is included in this “assembly”? How can they be excluded in one verse but permitted in another?
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Thank you for sharpening iron David this will help in answering questions in real life.
I like how you mentioned possible objections to your interpretation of assembly and gave a reasonable response to them. You created a good argument.
"For your thoughts are not my thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares YHWH." - Isaiah 55:8. It's absolutely amazing to realize how YHWH has transformed the lives of many people over the centuries, who are seemingly ordinary, insignificant, of questionable moral fiber, or even social outcasts; reshaping them to be God fearing, extraordinary, vital, included....included as a part of His assembly. Certain aspects of the backgrounds for both Ruth and Rahab would have ordinarily excluded them from YHWH's assembly. But because of their extraordinary faith and loyalty, Almighty YHWH transformed them to play significant roles in the lineage of our Messiah YAHUSHA. (What and honor!) These transformations bear witness to His supreme power, wisdom, and might! As YHWH continues to transform faithful ones, may these examples serve as encouragement to us all.
Thanks I appreciate your work.
Thanks. Enjoy God!
Thanks much ,very informative
Very thorough and well thought out. Thank you.
Awesome video, bless you brothers.
That was very thorough, thanks.
Thank you.
Perhaps those called 'foreign' in the context had not taken the same vow that Ruth took when she declared, 'your people shall be my people, and your God, my God.' She became part of Israel. If they had not, they would still be carriers of pagan faith and practice to some extent.
I was just wondering about these scriptures, praise GOD, it’s good to see all the angles on this
@ Isaac Underhill,
Sorry to inform you but is incorrect. His entire understanding is based of Ezekiel 18:20 which he erroneously believes descendants cannot be penalized for the sins of their fathers. What he fails to realize is that Ezekiel 18:20 was written to and for Israelites. The scripture was not meant to be applied to other nations. Isaiah 14:21 speaks of Babylonian descendants who will be slaughtered for the sins of their forefathers.
@@attainingknowledgeoftruth8348 I used to have a hat that literally had the exact art of the Lion of Judah as your profile picture, from a company named OG or something...
Anyways, Topic at hand: You can interpret Isaiah 14:21 in the light of Ezekiel 18:20, that children must have continued in the same sins as their fathers, or been too young to know or choose otherwise. Either way, they still clearly belonged to the Nation of Babylon. That is who they Identified with, and thus were judged according to the judgement of Babylon. There are even more scriptures where YHWH Speaks of how the descendants of the wicked are to be crushed and pregnant women slashed open. (Hosea 13:16) When one comes to Faith in Israel's GOD and holds the Faith of Abraham and belief in the Messiah, one is joined to the remnant of believing Israel by faith (and works obviously). YHWH is a Just judge and Rules in righteousness, individual sins and corporate sins both have a part to play in thier own light.
Isaac Underhill,
119 keeps deleting my comment. There are two nations that received final judgment from the Most High. One is Babylon and the other starts with the letter E which the book Obadiah discusses that nations judgement. Can you give an example in the Bible where people from either of those two nations came into the fold of Gods people?
Shalom Attaining Knowledge of Truth,
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I hope this clarifies this.
Blessings and Shalom
@ 119Ministries,
Ok thanks for the clarification. My comments contained assessments of the Bible and didn’t contain anything rude or obscene but they were deleted. Maybe you guys can provide some clarification for me and Isaac. We do have an example with Ruth the Moabite. However Babylon and the nation beginning with letter E received final judgements by the Most High and I believe their judgements are final throughout their lineage. Do you know of any instances in the Bible where anyone from either of those nations came under full submission to the God of Israel thus being allowed to become apart of Gods people?
David, you are awesome, glad we are friends on fb.
Whats his username if you don't mind.
Shabbat shalom
@@cohencyrus5337 shabbat shalom it's David Wilber
This is only the second lesson I disagreed with. I love you guys. I have been watching for years and like I said only 2. I still believe the assembly was the priesthood. See you next lesson.
Yeah I take the view that the priesthood would be a part of the assembly, seeing that they had judicial authority to judge as well.
I don’t think the assembly was solely the priesthood but that they helped made up part of the assembly along with the King and Judges.
Also, to support your claim, Don’t forget Daniel became a eunuch upon entering Babylon in the very beginning of the book of Daniel.
@ɢɪaɴʟuca :𝚕 unfortunately, I doubt it. He was a foreigner and was appointed to be in the King’s court. Just like you neuter dogs to make them more docile, they neutered men to minimize the threat. Remember Daniel 1:3 says the king commissioned the leader of the eunuchs to recruit well-favored, no blemished children. Why would the king ask the master of the eunuchs and not another appointed official if he did not expect them to become eunuchs?
Poor Daniel… I’m glad to see he was blessed😊
Could you please do a sermon on the 500 who arose with Jesus. And what happened to them, when their time was over. Did they die, go to heaven. It’s a mystery. 🙏❤️🙋🏼♀️💓
Why is your head covered?
Very well set out, thankyou. What does it mean for us today? The application makes a lot of sense.
I really hope this video explains the marriage of Boaz & Ruth... as this kills the whole blood line, King David and Jesus included.
May I offer another idea? What if the assembly in this case meant military service? Israel wouldn't want those in the military who could turn on them in battle and eunuchs may not have the strength to be good soldiers due to lack of testosterone.
As far as foreign wives are concerned, we have the example of King Solomon marrying foreign wives and allowing them to practice their paganism to keep them happy and turned his heart from Yah to the point that he sacrificed his own children to Molech.
At 17:51 you write off all of us resulting from unholy unions as being from unstable homes and therefore excluded from ever being capable of making right decisions....man that hurts. Was really hoping for some better insight. Thank you for the effort but I don’t feel as if you have a satisfactory explanation.
I really appreciate your ministry and have been blessed by many of your teachings (love the Pauline paradox series), was just hoping for more on this one as it’s personal. We read Deuteronomy at Sukkot every year (well just the last 3 years, as that is how long I have been Torah observant ) and 23:2 gets me wondering every time.
I encourage you to keep making a difference and not be part of the statistics.
Unfortunately and realistically, the statistics of broken homes are not stellar. That is definitely not the norm, but it is the tendency.
Thank you for the encouragement. I’m not from an unstable home....I’m from an unholy union and thus was questioning the generalization that all from unholy unions are raised in unstable homes. Shabbat shalom.
Steve Mitchell Im not sure exactly what unholy union brought you here but I hope this gives you some encouragement.....
The highly anointed man who was choosen to write the Torah and give to us... His parents where related. Moses' parents (and by extension Aaron and Miriam) were aunt and nephew to be exact. Look up his geneology so you can see it for yourself. I always found it ironic that Moses had to write a law that technically made him an illegitimate child. However we are all commanded to be born again, aren't we? Shabbat shalom
Steve, I think the encouragement comes from the fact that once you are in Christ, you are a new creation, an hier in his Kingdom, indeed a son to the Most High! You are bought with the blood of Messiah. You are his son, not of an unholy union. Christ redeemed you. You mentioned Sukkot, a time when you remember the union of God with yourself. I hope you can meditate on that holy union during Sukkot and proclaim "I am my beloved's".
It is not unlikely that Ruth is 11th generation from Lot's son Moab (generation 1) because Boaz is 10th generation from Abraham's son Isaac (generation 1). If we parallel the 2 lineages, Moab's side might have produced offspring earlier than Isaac's side. Isaac himself had Esau and Jacob when he was already 60 years old (Genesis 25:26) and by then, it is not impossible that Moab already had his grandchildren.
So I believe that God literally means until the 10th generation and not "forever = eternity" and that Ruth is qualified to change citizenship to Israelite by her freewill choice because she's beyond 10th gen Moabite/ss.
This excerpt from Apologetics Press (December 2018) adds some insight: "Joseph’s Egyptian wife did not make their sons Ephraim and Manasseh Egyptians (Genesis 41:50-52). Moses’ marriage to Zipporah, a Midianite (Exodus 2:11-25), did not disqualify their sons Gershom and Eliezer from being Israelites (Exodus 2:22; 18:1-4), nor did it make them Midianites. Salmon’s marriage to Rahab (the Jerichoan harlot) did not mean their son Boaz was a recognized Gentile of Jericho (Matthew 1:5). And the Moabitess Ruth, wife of Boaz, did not make their son Obed, their grandson Jesse, their great-grandson David, or their descendants Joseph and Mary (the earthly parents of Jesus) anything other than legitimate descendants of Abraham (Matthew 1:1-17; Luke 3:23-38)-according to the standard reckoning of Israelite heritage. In the eyes of all of Israel, David was an Israelite of the tribe of Judah-and was no more a Moabite than he was a Jerichoan."
Perhaps it's a reference to the necessity to be born again, John/Yahuchanon chapter 3.
Couldn't it be that the prophecies you highlighted at 25:48 would have been directed towards the last days and not right after post exile?
My understanding is that Samuel changed this (Deuteronomy 23) my amending via the Talmud, however we are told that the 'law' is not to be added to. Any help is appreciated.
Hey where can I ask questions relevant for you to make a video about? I have a question about the Tetragrammaton and where did it come from as when Moses asked the Lord His name He said I am that I am, tell the children of Israel I am (Alef-hey-yud-hey) sent you not (Yud-hey-uau-hey) you always say to test everything so I’m testing this where does it come from? And why do other false deities use the same Tetragrammaton?
Shalom Caleb Jeremy,
The best place to ask questions is on our contact us page on our website. You can find it here: www.119ministries.com/about-us/contact-us/
We do have a whole series on the name that you may find interesting and it may answer some of your questions. You can find part 1 of the "Hashem" series here: www.119ministries.com/teachings/video-teachings/detail/hashem-part-1-whats-in-a-name/
Part 2 goes over the tetragrammaton
There are also several FAQ videos in this "Hashem" series.
We hope this helps
Blessings and Shalom
Why then god punishment goes for generations although Ezekiel said the father and the son are punished separately?
How many generations had passed from Moses to Ruth?
Is it necessary to pay a tight?
And what tight means?
Tithe was only for the levites, so no you don't have to pay tithe , doesn't mean we shouldn't give offerings to a ministry that is feeding us spiritually 💯♥️📖
A tithe was a portion of what you were blessed with it was never $ 💯♥️📖
Sounds good but worng
You are confused between eunuch and Deut 23:1-8. Read again. - here is a tip, Eunuch serve kings with many wives and concubines.
The other is referring to sex change.
Was Ruth a moabite or was she just from moab? As I'm pretty sure the moabites in the area she came from were wiped out by Israel. And taking into account the moabites were conceived through incest, this seems highly unlikely. Especially since The Messiah came through her lineage.
An example of this would be a great number of Americans, Australians and New Zealanders are not actually Americans, Australians or New Zealanders, but British, Irish, Dutch or German.
Moreover Ruth the Moabitess, the wife of Mahlon, have I purchased to be my wife, to raise up the name of the dead upon his inheritance, that the name of the dead be not cut off from among his brethren, and from the gate of his place: ye are witnesses this day.
Ruth 4:10 KJV
You make some interesting points, but it does say she is a moabitess
@@openheretic174 I appreciate your reply, but just because she's called a moabite it doesn't necessarily mean she's racially moabite. Remember Simon is called a cananite in the new Testament, and he certainly wasn't a cananite.
@Desire Of All Nations pretty much what I'd heard, and it makes a lot more sense considering Jesus came from her lineage.
@@prettyjohnshill76
And she fell on her face, bowed down to the ground, and said to him, “Why have I found favour in your eyes, that you should take notice of me, seeing I am a foreigner?” And Bo‛az answered and said to her, “I have been told all that you have done for your mother-in-law since the death of your husband, and how you have left your father and your mother and the land of your birth, and have come to a people whom you did not know before. “יהוה repay your work, and your reward is complete from יהוה Elohim of Yisra’ĕl, under whose wings you have come to seek refuge.”
Ruth 2:10-12 TS2009
This conversation between Ruth and Boaz seems to line up with the story of her being a moabitess from Moab.
Nehemiah interpreted it wrong and did that on his own
Deut 23:1 is clear. If you cut off your "members" to take part in a religious ceremony, you will not enter the kingdom.
Just as Matt 19:12 is clear. He encourages you for religious reasons to cut off your members, "if you can bear it".
He contradicts Torah.
Now, Isaiah prophesies in the age to come that those who become eunuchs outside of their own choice will be restored in the age to come.
If they keep the covenant, they will be given an eternal name and no longer be a dry tree. Yes this means in the age to come, eunuchs who guard Torah will be restored and able to bear children. (again contradicting the NT)
@ 119 Ministries,
You are incorrect. the descendants of other nations will be held accountable for their forefathers sins against the Israelites. You made a mistake that is common among Gentiles when reading Ezekiel 18:20. You guys take scriptures specifically written to and for Gods chosen people the Israelites and transfer them to all other nations which should never be done. Scripture proves your error. Isaiah 14:21 “Prepare SLAUGHTER for his children for the INIQUITY of their fathers...” This is a prophesy that will befall the descendants of Babylon in the future.
Peace
After the great flood, God made a blood covenant with Noah and his three sons and instructed them to be fruitful and multiply and to scatter the entire earth. One of the sons; Ham broke the blood covenant by doing a illegal and illicit act by sleeping with his own mother and as a result an offspring was brought forth. Ham's father Noah cursed Ham's son Canaan. Obviously genetics and reputation played a big role when it came to man representing the image of God.
Ive got to quit following this channel. Yes you guys are mild mannered and logical. But you don’t keep scriptural context in line with historical context. You also focus too much on the old testament and not enough on New Testament scripture. For example, you believe and have taught that we are grafted into the nation of Israel. But how do you reconcile that belief with Deuteronomy 28 and the separation between gentile and jewish believers that paul speaks on in multiple scriptures in the New Testament? I hope you turn from your false doctrine one day.
Verbatim; The separation between gentile and jewish believers that Paul speaks on in multiple scriptures in the New Testament? I hope you turn from your false doctrine one day. Response; Paul does make a distinction, If you are a true believer you are no longer a gentile. 1 Cor. 12:2; You know that you Were Gentiles, carried away to these dumb idols, even as you might be led.
Eph. 2:11-13; Therefore remember that you, Once Gentiles In The Flesh who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands 12. that at that time you were without Messiah, being Aliens from the Commonwealth of Israel and Strangers From The Covenants Of Promise, having no hope and without The Father in the world. 13. But now in The Messiah you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Messiah.
@@whfj1759 you are correct. But he was saying we are apart of the body of Christ NOT gentiles becoming a part of the nation of Israel. So again the belief that 119 ministries is teaching is that we become a part of the nation Israel is wrong. No Christian believer has taken part in the blessings and curses of Israel stated in deuteronomy 28.
Why do you read from the Bible wearing your hat? 1 Corinthians 11:7 says you should not! In fact even many old cultures traditions considers wearing hat while greeting someone is rude. Old English movies also show men lift their hat for greetings. So if it was rude to people why would you wear it while reading most holy Bible?
Something is not right about this guy no respect for himself or the word
Just the way to make money for him
@@rodneybruntz8425 Not very kind of you guys. You should not judge, we aren’t in the 1600’s. People found it rude to do tons of things that aren’t considered rude in these days. How do we know the guy isn’t balding and very insecure about it, or had childhood cancer, and used a hat to cope with the fact that other children would make fun of him which became a coping mechanism. Be happy the man is spreading the word of Jesus Christ & save your judgment for God.
And using that verse as an example is poor as it says that women should cover their head. This verse would be referring to a turban or cloth of some sort, the verse has very many different meanings and translations that have nothing to do with baseball caps especially being that a baseball cap was created in 1850 long after that verse was written. From my perspective it also doesn’t have to do with turbans but some would argue it very well does. So unless your wife is wearing a turban I would be careful using that verse as an example to not wear a hat.
There is no prohibition against polygamy in Scripture. That is a false teaching. There are only limitations on the type of polygamy. Leviticus 18:18 does *NOT* forbid polygamy as you falsely claim. I know your claim that "take a wife to her sister" is an idiom meaning "one to another." But whenever akhoth (Hebrew for sister) is used to refer to a female human being, it *always* refers to someone's sister or half sister, limiting the scope of the idiom in Leviticus 18:18 to mean a woman and *her sister.* David was *rebuked* whenever he broke God's Law (eg: the incident with Bathsheba, the incident with the Ark of the Covenant, and the unlawful census). But when it came to polygamy, God never rebuked David for taking multiple women as his wives, or warned him not to take on a second wife. If polygamy was contrary to God's Law, then God would have either warned David not to take on a second wife (David would have heeded that warning), or if God waited until after it was done, he would have *rebuked* David for it, warning him not to take any more wives.
Very interesting. I couldn't find a law against polygamy either. Many of the patriarchs had more than one wife. Curiously - Jacob did marry Leah and her sister, Rachel which would violate Levitcal law as you interpret it.
anon freedom polygamy is completely prohibited by God and there’s no discussion about it, look in your Bible you’ll see. When the prophets had multiple wives (Salomon, Jacob,...) it is considered a sin, because yes prophets sinned ans it is « normal » because the only one who do not sin is Yeshoua. About Rachel i dont know if you red the entire story in the Bible but Israël only wanted to marry Rachel at the beginning, it’s only because of Laban’s vice that he had to marry Leah. He did not really chose her. And because of that many bad things happened, see the whole Joseph story by yourself.
To think that the Word of God made flesh said that a man will leave his family to cleave unto his wife (singular) so that the two (not more) would become one flesh... But we want to embrace our own carnal thoughts...
Timothy Chapman *Some men are always trying to justify carnality! Sorry, but the scriptures are against YOU! **_"Have you not read that from the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,'_** (MATT 19:4). Christians are quick to throw that line against the LBGT?? movement but **_willfully ignore its obvious indictment against polygamy!_** However, in God's perfect plan in Eden, ONE man and ONE woman were the perfect economy, the perfect population starters; heads of a royal kingdom of priests to the world etc. **_Thus, a man will leave his family to cleave unto his wife (singular) so that the two (not more) would become one flesh,_** (GEN **2:24**).*
*FURTHERMORE, under the NEW covenant in Jesus we are now a royal kingdom of priests to the world and therefore are exhorted to "be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt to teach...." And, if your comeback is that this is only directed to 'bishops' think again, because there was no Catholic hierarchy within Jesus' Zion.*
*STOP TRYING TO JUSTIFY YOUR SMALLMINDED CARNALITY!*
Its actually forbidden for a king to take on multiple wives. Deut 17:17