The Unwilled Gooch Ep 17 What happens to your Models when you go?
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2024
- I wondered what would become of many model builds and my stash once I am no longer around. Would they be useful for someone else? Would Bask the Cat throw everything in the bin? I asked a few mates what they would do with their stash when they shuffle off. The answers were quite hilarious. So sit back and have a chuckle as I tug with the problem of a deceased stash.
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Chapters Click and Go
00:00 Intro
01:38 We just don't talk about it
04:16 Patreon plug - go on you can afford it!
04:48 Bernard's Viking Method
06:36 David's Plastic Block
07:32 Duck Ponds
08:17 Harry's Methods
10:32 The Ghost Method
11:14 Summary - Розваги
Well there ' s the Legacy right there ! The dedication , drive , and last but not least the SOUL put into the end result . Well spoken mate !
Thanks Mikael
This is the enduring concern in the minds of most hobby kit builders I've been model making friends with over the years. The older we become the more troubling this dilemma becomes. A good friend who at nearly 80 is still onto it and continues to produce high quality models of his favourite cars. Sixty five years of building 1/24 & 1/25 scale automobiles and his house filled with built models and a reserve supply of unbuilt kits filling a bedroom cloths closet. Post mortem disposal will add to the worries of his widow and two middle age daughters - but clearly not him.
Enjoying your show mate, just found this today.
I asked my mate once what are his plans for his stuff for after he karks it.
His response?
"I'm Buggered if I know, I won't be here".
With that we flipped the cap of another bottle of beer and talked about the latest kits he'd just got in from, Hobbylink, Japan.
Here at home in the space down stairs I have this big, like, really big glass and wood framed display case where I've stashed there nearly all of the aircraft models I've ever built over the last twenty five or so years.
Specialising in prop liners in 1/72 and prop fighters in 1/48. A friend of a friend who is a keen aviation enthusiast, has agreed to take these models and any of the reference books I've accumulated over the years.
So now, in the face of all of that, I've become keen on building kitset Submarines. Fortunately, with an interest in only Diesel Electric boats, there are no more than seven produced in my chosen scale of, 1/144, there will
never be enough of them to worry about. So now, the problem is self regulating.
But, the problem of disposing of old men's treasures is ain't going anywhere so it's probably wise to just enjoy the hobby while that is still possible and not think to hard about stuff we can do nothing about.
Enjoy life while you can. The only certainties are death and taxes.
Son in law will inherit the unbuilt kits. He ha s recently started the hobby. I have told my kids I don’t care what they do with the built models. I had my enjoyment building them, I don’t compete and don’t want my stuff being worried about.
Very pragmatic approach Peter
My other half has said that she will keep the models that I have finished as a reminder of the time we had together, and my stash and equipment will be sold off and the proceeds will be split between charities and close family. That's what we have decided to do, as I might have sa little as 2yrs or 15yrs maximum life span. 👍👍
That’s a good plan mate... I hope you get the maximum years and outlive me!
Good subject Harry, my stash would go to the charity models for heroes. A charity which helps x service personnel.
That's a great idea!
Thank you for addressing a somewhat unusual topic. You presented the issue with your usual dose of great humor. When I got back into model building, about two years ago after a hiatus of almost 45 years, I asked my grown-up son if he would like to have my models after I passed away. His agreement seemed quite genuine. 😉While my son was never much of a model builder as a kid, he really got into miniature painting and wargaming, And I enjoyed painting miniatures with him when he was younger.
To keep matters simple, my stash will go to him as well. Right now my collection stands at about 50 unbuilt kits and 2 dozen WWI airplanes that I’ve finished. My numerous scratch built 1/32 scale slot cars will also go to my son.
I don’t have many heirlooms from my father who died unexpectedly many decades ago. Sadly, I feel, my dad had no true hobbies although he was a half hearted fisher sporadically for a brief while.
Thinking about this long after I’m gone, I hope my son will find a good home for his wonderful miniature collection day in 40+ years. 😉
I am glad you enjoyed the video. In a world where consumerism is just a click then instant delivery from Amazon I think we have lost the family heirloom. So little is kept, looked after and treasured anymore. Hopefully your built models may find their way down future generations and become a link to your family’s past.
I think with my aircraft, half can go to the kids, and half to my favorite aviation museum for their gift shop. Some of them came from there anyways!
Nice idea matey
Hey Harry ! Actually this is something I have been thinking about for the last couple if years. I decided to make a list of all the kits I have in my stash showing roughly how much each kit is worth and let my kids sell them off and keep the money as an addition to their savings account i've gotten for them. There's not much in the world as important as setting your kids up for an easier life.
Taking the lot with you to the grave seems a little too selfish to me, it's better to let others enjoy what you did as there are a lot of people who would love to build and paint them, but for whatever reason they couldn't, either they couldn't afford them, or they just couldn't find the ones they wanted. Nah ! I want the satisfaction of knowing that when I pop off, others will be able to enjoy the kits.
Good plan and I hope your protege appreciate it
At least You are thinking about it and even talk about it. The first time I hear any model builder thinking longer ahead than the finishing of a model ... a few times I also thought about it. And I have also huge private library in my cellar ... alas, the best solution will never happen: like, 10 days before I "go away" I give it to someone else. But: I do not know when that is. Nobody knows. And if I give away it NOW, it is far too early (I hope).
So I think I must go the "Zen" way. Whatever happens after me is no longer in my hands, and so I just let it happen. Even if that means it goes to scrap. That risk/chance is 50/50 as always. With any of my belongings, not only my models. So be it.
You could stipulate what happens to your stash in a will.
Aye, Harry. My take on the subject regarding your stash. Complete ships, to a maritime museum. Airplanes to the RAAF Museum or the like that may be willing to take in the collection.. Armoured toilettes? To the local modeling club. Personally, from your videos, i'd focus on the great amount of effort you've put into building each ship. They deserve a more delicate, thought out method.
Now, talking about my stash. Truth is, the state of modeling moral and ethics where i live have gone down the drain a long time ago. Clubs and individuals would con the widow, mother, girlfriend, boyfriend, goldfish, paying two cents for entire collections. Then resell them two to three times the value each kit is worth here. That money goes to some people's pockets. Not to the club. The club's merely a facade for a bunch of scammers. It's commonplace and they're all in for the most part, so don't you dare die here, Harry, mate. At least not while visiting Argentina, alright?
I trust two of my closest friends to handle the matter after I kick the bucket. One will sell whatever is left unbuilt, the money goes to my family. The other one will take in my glider collection - I got him started on those little critters and he got hooked from day one - and the main goal is that a friend of him, a glider pilot, can take my scale gliders to some european museum on the subject. Averaging the ages of my relatives who have passed away, I think I still have some 23-25 years before me. So, there's plenty of time to muster the numbers and make the collection large enough that it's either...undeniable. You just can't say no to such a brutal expanse of painted woodgrain and canvas. Or too effin' large to be shipped anywhere. In that case, it's a can of petrol and up she goes in smoke.
Come think of it, we care about our stash: We can make provisions for it. See it looked after. But it ultimately comes down to the ones we leave behind - alas, a winner in something for once!
(Sorry for the long tirade, sleep deprivation gives me some weird insights.)
I will be flushing my armoured toilets
Yes, this has been on my mind some. I've got a stash here that is so enormous that it could...well, about half fill Winchester Cathedral? Something like that! It's unbelievable. Over 60 years worth of model collecting and model building, and what will become of it all when I depart? Hmm. I've got aircraft, ships, tanks, dinosaurs, figures, reference books, it just goes on and on!!! The "ghost" idea might not be a bad one. 😂 What really worries me, though, is the built stuff. Most people have no idea how to handle built models without breaking them. A vexing problem indeed.
It is something we probably never think of… but my mind goes to strange places while sitting in the doctors surgery..hehe
Egyptian tomb curse on the stash, lol
If it’s good enough for the Egyptian’s then it is good enough for me
I've told my wife to keep my modeling room as is, send me to the taxidermist, then to Disney to turn me into one of those animatronic robot thingies, and plop me back into the modeling desk chair along with a sound track of my voice muttering things like "Where'd that dang PE part go?" "Where are my glasses... crap, on my head!" "What was Special Hobbies thinking?" "These freaking French kits! How hard is it to make a dang model kit that fits!?!?!?"
Now that would become the holy shrine for modellers everywhere.
Good vid you cheer loads of people up you make us laugh you probably have 10 times your Stach in heaven ha haha
Maybe I could take them with me... hhe
Museums……schools……libraries. Stash to the club
Yes Martin, all great ideas
This may not apply to most modellers, but i am a member of a model club and in the case of a member passing away his kits and materials tend to get sold off to individuals of the club, depending on their fields of interest. Not sure what happens with the built kits though. I like the museum or charity concept a lot.
It is a tricky affair though, quite a taboo in fact. I like it that you decided to make a video about.
Thanks Michael... the Hobby Club option is a pretty good one. At least you know your stuff will go where it can be used. Sadly I have been told many Museums won’t take plastic model kits.. too many requests I suppose and maybe it’s a bit of snobbery as well.
My wife said she wants to finish the ones I've started.
There's about a dozen and 4 are sailing ships so it's not bad.
As for the stash. I think my kids would like it. I intend to force them into the hobby kicking and screaming. So they can split it
Try reverse psychology... tell the kids they can’t build your models...
Interesting concept/subject. I actually thought about it last year - I made the mistake of actually mathing out the (theoretical) value I've got boxed up in the stash. It reminded me of a fairly unpleasant time when my sister and I had to figure out what to do with my mother's house and treasures after she passed. I've got a list of the kits, and which have the potential to have special value if sold in the right place. Quite a few of mine are rare resin kits - and I've listed out those so whoever has to deal with them has an idea of what should be treated like valuable items and which can be pretty much lumped in with random "stuff."
I don't have a local modeling club, or really any friends that share my model hobby. I'd like to think they'd end up in the hands of someone who could appreciate the modeling experience.
Although having some of my Ashes put in the Black Pearl and haunting that build sounds like a great idea!
Haunt away mate...
A very interesting question Harry. I have often thought that Mrs BG would just sell off the remaining stash and have herself a grand vacation. NOW! I am thinking perhaps I shall have the stash cursed! Maybe something like; Every kit looks complete but is missing one vital part!! ;)
You are very sneaky. I like that idea
@@HarryHoudiniModels ;)
I've told my two closest friends to Ebay what isn't built and go on holiday with the money (stash is getting close to 1000). What is built everyone can take what they like. The rest just get rid of it, I won't be bothered
Very kind hearted of you
As I build mostly aircraft and spacecraft (real and sci-fi) the former, built and still in their boxes are going to a local aviation museum outside Belfast to do with as they please and the latter to the planetarium in Armagh.
That or as I've told my wife the un-built ones are her "grieving widow's round the world cruise fund".
Might be a while before any cruises are running again... better not cark it soon matey.
Imagine that Viking Funeral guy. He shows up at Vallaha with his kits, but where's the glue & paint??
Modeler in Hell??
And he deserves every bit of that! LOL
Great topic for your Gooch Harry. I have 3 adult kids that really never had an interest in my hobby. I have built and given a few finished car kits and figures to them which they have appreciated but as far as my stash of 150 or so kits I don’t think there is an interest. My wife has no idea what or how many kits I have so no interest there. I do have a brother who has a few hundred car kits which he will never get around to building so he doesn’t really need any more.
Anyway that is a discussion that I will have with the misses. To be honest that is something us modelers don’t really think about. Living day to day I guess. But if we get those darn kits built and not buy anymore we won’t have to worry about it. Lol. Love your work and sense of humor! Stay healthy!
It was something I had not thought about until that day at the doctors
I have thought about this also. When I was in my kit buying rampage a couple three years ago, I had a moment of clarity and stopped buying more! I have about 20 unbuilt ones. I decided when I get through all those, I’ll buy more then. The completed ones I have in a China hutch, safe from dust, well lit, and I love looking at them and showing them off. 20 kits will take me plenty of time. (My other hobby is astrophotography)
No wonder you haven’t got those kits built... staying up all night photographing Uranus!
I think my stuff is going in the bin. I don't know where else. My wife could sell the stash (about 100 kits, many half finished?) on Ebay, but that would be more trouble than it's worth. Maybe a couple of friends would keep a built kit or two as mementos.
I hope your friends do...
They can do whatever they want with my stash, I will be dead so it doesn't matter.
It's also something to be remembered for.
That doesn't matter either because you are dead.
Puprose is to pass your genes on so I've done that and they are almost in adulthood now so almost there.
Only thing that matters are those beautiful kits on my shelves and the fun I will have building them, while alive.
Good philosophy
I’ve got a couple of hundred in the stash, mostly still in their boxes untouched, which I’ve told my wife to give to any local army or Air cadets units/model clubs and charities. anything built or partially built can go in the skip. I already gave away 5 large boxes of unmade kits to Models for Heroes, which I would never have got around to building. I don’t have the time left in me to finish what’s left. That last sentence is quite a sobering thought.
Yes sobering is right. I have far more kits than I ever could build, so have started culling subjects and scales which really won’t get made. Many are great kits, but the reality is I will never live to complete them all. So I am sending those kits on to other modellers homes in the hope they will be of better use there.
@@HarryHoudiniModels I’ve told my wife not to waste money on an urn. There’s a completed 1/35 scale T-34 in one of my boxes. Just screw the turret off , pour what’s left of me into the hull, replace the turret and plonk me on the mantlepiece.
Great idea and very practical, as well as making sure your model stays on display.
@@HarryHoudiniModels 🤣
I suspect my Mrs plans to run me and the models through a wood chipper!! How about leaving to a charity like Models for Heroes
Is that an American thing? Not heard of it down under...
Serious/sad topic for sure! I lost a good modeling buddy in June of 2020. Sadly his wife had passed away in February of 2020 and his adult daughter and he were not on talking terms. After he passed away, both I and other modeling friends tried numerous times to offer assistance to his daughter and she never contacted us. I hate to imagine it but I can see the daughter renting a dumpster and pitching all of his built and unbuilt kits, tools, paints, and other materials.
Tom S.
Maybe there could be a central stash recovery body, acting on the behalf of deceased modellers, distributing the kits and models to those who need them most.
A hard subject which is too often ignored and this video, even if it prompts only a few people to do something, will have been worthwhile. I have a stash and my wife has a teddy bear collection. I would like my modes kits and paints etc. to go to Models for Heroes (in the UK) so they would help someone. Built kits is harder to think who would want them. If it was possible for someone to appreciate them then great or even to get a few £ for a charity I would be happy.
I hope this video does make a few think and act in the community so their contribution to the hobby can be passed on to another generation.
Jacob Marley and the Ghost of Christmas Stash.
more like Scrooge...but yes!
Funny you made this video on this subject… I recently was sick for two weeks with Covid, and about two weeks before that I had met with a fella in Tennessee who I built models for in the past, and he gave me eight kits to build for him… well I built one but hadn’t sent to him nor had he paid but found out he was sick same time I was but he went into the hospital and died… so now I’m stuck with his kits
Well at least they did not go into the dumpster.
You've definitely got me thinking about this. Not just my personal model kits, but my rather large collection of military memorabilia that I have in my museum. I will most likely set up a trust for the military stuff or donate it to a larger museum to assume curatorship over.
Now you are thinking... good ideas
You could be a complete sadist and bequeath all your stash to one of the anti-Airfix brigade - on the condition that the rest of stash will be kept in trust, until they've built all the Airfix Kits and shown them every single one of them at National Model Show ;)
Trouble is the rest of my stash is not the subjects or makes which those Airfix Haters desire. But I like your train of thought and mischievous intent.
be prepared
I was a boy scout! I’m always prepared
We should all get together and choose a person none of us know, and all of us leave everything to that person. 😳
so let me get this straight... we find some random person we don’t know. Who may have no interest in the hobby. Then everyone leaves their combined thousands of model kits to them? I think the post office would have a law against spam mailing this random person? Unless it was Chris Kringle.
to the local club
good idea
I’m sure you have a good few years of happy modelling left in you Harry !
I am counting them down in single figures now... well until the eventual dementia kicks in, as has happened to all my family, then I will be unable to build anymore
I'm on borrowed time, dying of liver failure, I'm 39. Wife will sell what kits my kids don't want and will save my completed kits. Most I could ask for...
Sorry to hear that Brian... but it’s good that you have made a plan for stash and builds
Hi Harry, never thought about it , think the misses would keep my sailing ships , but the rest , hopefully my eldest son , would want my battleships, now I have to ask them 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Yes, you better get on that.
Imagine if they found in the pyramids a load of kits thousands of years old. What excitement that would be for modelers! I do not like the idea of destroying things as that robs someone of the pleasure as you have had.
Actually they did find kits... parts to make a river boat, and chariots, which were all reconstructed. Sadly some small parts fell in the sand and could never be found again after they were eaten by the sand monster.
@@HarryHoudiniModels and now we have the carpet monster. Progress.
There is a charity called "models for heroes"
Thanks Lee
@@HarryHoudiniModels your welcome fella, enjoying the vids. Keep it up.
Leave a list with the kits of what each kit is potentially worth that way they can be potentially sold and go to another modeller.
I assume someone will find that list and know how to act on it?
@@HarryHoudiniModels Yep, Like I said- keep the list with the kits- i.e: in a folder that says "Value of each Model kit, Sept 2021" on the cover and keep it on top of one of the kit boxes. I thought about this years ago as I have a wooden ship model that is worth $1400, so I don't want it sold for $100 because the person selling it has no clue about its value. The list sits on the middle shelf of my model stack and is always the first thing you pick up. I'm actually thinking of putting the folder on a chain and nailing it to one of the legs/uprights of the shelf unit so it doesn't go missing. Your video is very relevant to me. Thanks.
Iv made it clear that if I go first,all my finished models and wargame figures will be kept in the house as a living museum, all my unpainted stuff will be buried in a 40 foot rigid box with my remains seated on a throne holding a sword wearing a german helmet......she says of course dear......
Now that is an excellent plan
Send them all to either a good museum school or your first love
I think I will sell them to buy some commas. People seem to have lost all their commas these days.
@@HarryHoudiniModels its a 11pm! And I’m fitting the pe on and the rye field model full interior panther. Punctuation doesn’t cover how bad the hull fit is.
P.s have you come across the rod Langton kits ?
no I don’t think so
Maybe you could will them to a local youth group like the Boy Scouts or something similar. Or perhaps your local model club could auction items off to benefit your favorite charity. I know you have some very special and valuable items in your stash. Finished models to a museum perhaps.
Thanks Tim... I like the idea of my Model builds being used in a museum.
Boy scouts are horrible, they force kids to sing stupid songs, just kidding, my son had great time with them. He learned a lot, including speaking to an audience, which I can't do...
Great Harry.
where'd ya get that jumper. 😊
I bought it from the Gerry Anderson website in the UK
In the UK there's a group called models for heroes, not sure if there's anything in Australia like that.
I have not heard of it. But will ask at my model club.
My wife said she'll never get rid of any completed model, and for the unbuilt ones she said: JUST FINISH THEM lol
Clever wife mate
I will have my stash and various other stuff go to the estate auction and the money made from that goes to my family.☠
Sensible planning. Good on you Woof
hi harry. yes an interesting thought. as i don't have a large stash it matters not to me. but why not auction off the stash at a toy/model sale and the proceeds go to a good cause. or the bask dercat retirement fund. cheers mate hope you hang about for a bit longer tom.
I won’t be here to auction it... Bask will take over and you know what she will want to do!
Hi Harry, That's a good point, I will tell my wife perhaps to sell it on ebay and get something nice for herself, or donate it to a nice hobby store ( that would probably be the best because it would go to customers that appreciate it), or perhaps to an IPMS or modeling club (but I would be concerned if my collectors end-up as a glue-bomb, in the hands of an 8 years old...). Anything but the trash bag!
Great ideas.. if we don’t plan for it then everything we have collected and built will be wasted
The Memsahib sees my stash as part of her nest egg so it doesn't really belong to me anyway.
Sorry to hear that... hope she enjoys building models?
A close friend of mine gets control of my facebook page and group and if I pass all my kits (complete and still in boxes) goes onto the group for sale. What doesnt sell she'll try to give away to someone who wants to build them. Anything left after that she has permission to toss in the bin. As long as others get a shot at picking them up for their stash first.
You are organised
l,m not far off 70 , unmarried, no kids so my large collection of W.W.2. A.F.V. 's will probably end up in a skip . I,m not planning on shuffling off this mortal coil yet so if anybody has any ideas what charities or whatever would take them in the future let me know . Good vid Harry , a depressing subject enlightened by your usual good humour .
Thanks John. There are many suggestions in the comments on this video.
Hi Harry, great video. When I was a teenager, I got into building models. I didn't have a stash, buy and build was the norm. I probably had around 50 finished models that I took lot of pride in. When I left for University, my mother threw all of them away. I know what its like to lose all that hard work. Over the years, I have picked up a model here and there, planning to get into modeling again. I now have a small stash of about 100 kits. I recently retired and started building again. I only have about half a dozen finished models here at home. The others I build, I give away, mostly to friends and grand kids. For me the joy of modeling is in the building. I don't need to have hundreds of finished models in display cases to look at. Some good photos are enough to remind me of the fun I had building the model. I know everyone is different, and everyone sees the hobby differently, but If I had a bunch of finished models, I would start looking for homes for them so you can see the joy the gift brings to other people before someone decides to dispose of your models in the dumpster. Have a good one!!!
Yes I know the loss of all my builds from my youth. Each time we moved, and that was almost annually, I had to give away all my models. As you say, once built, they have little value other than to pass on to someone who can appreciate them.
I'm with you on that, I don't really care about my finished models either, my fun is to build. That's sad that your childhood models were disposed of, sometimes parent don't realize what they are doing, I had similar heartbreak with my toy chest at my grand mother's house... one day gone! so I made a secret small stash of my son's beloved toys, that he lost interest of after the years, nothing fancy at all sometimes it was a mcdonald's toy, a small star wars storm trooper that was following him everywhere or little Hotwheels car that were special to him, etc.... It's all in there with the newspaper of his birth date, now he's a 17 y/o big boy, he will probably appreciate it later.
So you got the all clear on the VD front hey? 😉
Well mate, let’s hope it won’t be for a long time. I need some more top modelling tips before you kark it 😋
I will do my best Basil... not sure how many more tricks I have up my sleeve though
@@HarryHoudiniModels A pleasure to watch mate 😉
Obvious Baz the Cat will Knock them of the shelves Etc as He feeds on your undetected Body...Don't Die at Home....
She would eat me… that’s why Bask has her own trap door to get out in case I cark it.
How about melting kits and stash dunk your body in it and put it in the ground
Better check that does not contravene any laws preventing the dumping of toxic substances
@@HarryHoudiniModels nice idea let's have Airfix produce a casket kit with the Airfix logo on it
Keep a recod of each kit and its value so they get moved on and not chucked in the bin....'hang on, there a couple grand here...'
Models for Heros is good charity option. They provide donated models and paints and tools to veterans to help them with the inevitable issues that can occur after their service.
Only a few grand? Lightweight. My stash got so valuable it’s listed on my insurance as a larger amount than my house furniture contents.
Told the wife to sell it and use the money to pay for the funeral, that goes for the Bonneville to.
Well that would pay for a nice one...
you could give me ALL your WNW kits maybe 3 or 4 of your completed ships both wooden and plastic :))
Just before I croak? Or after Bask Cat has sold them off for fish?
@@HarryHoudiniModels it would have to be before Bask get his grubby paws on them so just will them to me thx
Isn’t there a problem with plastic in the oceans ?
Yes there is as I clearly pointed out in the video.. but mostly bags and small parts which get into the sea-life. Luckily I use a lot of glue and make bigger models now. Think of them as fish tank decorations.
And what about bask the cat?
She has a bigger fan base than me...Bask will be looked after
The fact is, it won't matter to you, so what does it really matter at all?
If you don’t plan for your legacy, then you never really lived at all.
Why not bequeath the stash to a program to get kids into the hobby?
That’s a good idea Chris
It's what I want to do, my kids get the rare airfix sailing ship kits though. But all the planes and tanks and world war 2 things I want given to kids who need something to focus on or are from rough homes
You can’t chuck plastic kits in the ocean,you will upset all those save the gay whales crowd!I would like to be buried with my vintage Airfix series 1 Golden Hind and as an experiment be exhumed 20 years later to see which one ,the Golden Hind or myself, came out the best.Both of us are not doing too well at the moment.My models,Diecasts,Model trains can all go to kids who haven’t got their beaks stuck in a mobile phone.So in other words the missus gets the lot.
I am rooting for the Golden Hind!