What do you think about speed tests? Are details regarding cruising, acceleration, and top clocked speeds good enough and should I show these in future overviews? 😄 Have you noticed I had been testing the boat while sick? 🤧 Stuffed nose, light fever, and these kinds of things? 😅
God bless Gumotex, they finally decided to upgrade the zipper 😂, too bad it's too late for our old Swing 2. The improved seats are a nice touch but i'm really curious about the new hull shape. To be honest, the Seawave too can't lie flat on the ground because the central tube of the bottom is slightly oversized, in our esperience it really helps in windy conditions. We were able to compare the Seawave and a classic dropstitch kayak (the copy and paste ones, they are all the same) on a windy day on the lake and the wind carried the dropstitch kayak where it wanted while the Seawave remained more manageable. The added 15 cm of length of the Seashine will be appreciated at sea, maybe a bit less on rivers.
Hello there, A refreshed version of Swing2 is coming out this year, with Swing1 most likely to follow later. The new one will now also have watertight zips. When I was paddling the Seashine, I had wind of around 20kph on each of these 2 days. It handled very well and was not affected by it. The added length is for the rocker - it will make sea trips more comfortable, I'm almost sure of it. 😁
Hello Tom, A great review from the perspective of a sporty, technical paddler that shows what is possible with this boat. Well done! Greetings, Matthes
I'm happy to hear that you found it useful. I understand primary and secondary stability but I'm only learning how to explain it to raise awareness. Thank you very much because that means I might have done something right here. 😅
Thanks. I'm only learning all this so my skills are still at a very, very basic level. I was sick when I was recording all content and I think my face reveals. Scripting, recording the voiceover, and editing it all took a tremendous amount of time. This was the most complex video I've made.
Thanks very much. It's coming out soon. There are only 2 changes in the final product: the front zip is gone and one of there will be only 1 bailing/rudder mounting hole at the stern instead of 2. Everything else stays the same. 😉
Thank you very much. I have now returned it as it was a prototype unit but I'll test more kayaks in a similar way this coming season. Being able to try different boats is a lot of fun. 😄
Wow. Thanks for this video! I'm impressed. This has everything I ever wanted in one package. Inflatable, still comparably fast, convertable for two people, rudder kit for these long, straight stretches with wind or current from the side,... now there's one last open question: How suscebtible is it for heavy side winds? I know quite a few air boats that run into problems in windy conditions on big rivers. Any ideas? //edit: I just noticed the Ladoga 1 is a lot cheaper if you add everything up (rudder kit, solo kit etc). Damn. Tough choices ahead...
On both days when I was testing it, I had wind of around 20kph. I didn't feel affected by it in any way. In terms of wind resistance, it felt the same way as my Rush1. 😁
@@LetsGoPaddling Sounds promising, thanks! It would be interesting though what happens between 30-40 or even 50-60. Like if you get caught by heavy winds on the carpathian danube for example. Hope you'll get the production version and some wind to go testing for us. Fingers crossed ;)
The retail version will be nearly the same. Gone will be the front zip and one of the two bailing holes at the stern. Everything else will remain the same. I won't get a retail unit for testing. Due to its greater dimensions, it might behave different than Rush1 in very strong wind. I was caught by 50kph gusts on Loch Ore last year. I have a trip video available here 😉: ua-cam.com/video/kgB_43mrySc/v-deo.html
@@LetsGoPaddling Thanks! Just watched it! Bummer you don't get a retail version for a final review. Will you buy one for yourself or do you prefer other boats?
@@WatchMysh Seashine is a huge boat. It's too large for me and I normally look for kayaks that allow some performance/technical paddling. Rush1 suits me best at the moment and, at least in 2024, I have no plans to move to another boat.
Seashine is a completely different category - it's way wider and meant for more recreational paddlers, while the x500 is a more "sporty", performance-oriented kayak. I personally wouldn't compare them. 😉
The advantages of the Seashine are: you can use it in solo or duo, you can remove the deck, the nitrilon is stronger than the PVC used by Itiwit, the seats are more confortable. The avantages of the X500: it's cheaper, transportation bag is better finish especially for the K2. In term of speed a test has to be done, but it's not sure that there is a big difference of speed. The question about the Seashine is regarding the drop stitchs part as this is the first time that we have a kayak build like this. To obtain the shape of the bottom, the fabrics are put under stress, which means that the stitches are not subjected to homogeneous forces as is the case on other high pressure kayaks or on SUPs including the X500. Also it would be interesting to see how the bottom of the boat reacts to variations in pressure and temperature. Maybe it works well but only experience can tell.
It's the first time when Nitrilon Drop Stitch is shaped like this (the V-entry hull). But there already are kayaks made with Nitrilon Drop Stitch hulls. Thaya's floor bends upwards and forms a rocker, while both Rush models have keels built into their flat hulls. This prototype has now been returned to Gumotex so I won't be able to check how it's faring in the long run. From my own experience with Rush, I can happily report that there is absolutely nothing wrong happening with it after nearly 18 months of ownership. 😁
Ciao Tom , spero che queste cerniere impermeabili vengano installate anche nel resto dei modelli gumotex! Sono partiti con lo swing e spero anche nel Framura Onestamente non ha senso fare un kaiak con coperta per rimanere all'asciutto per poi avere delle cerniere che fanno acqua da tutte le parti Ciao
Hi Filippo, I agree with you that a sit inside kayak should be watertight. Gumotex decided to finally upgrade all zips. Please, rest assured, the watertight zips are coming to Swing2, which should be released around the same time as Seashine (I heard spring this year). A refreshed Swing1 is now in development and this one will also have new zips. I want to replace my Swing1 when the new one comes out. If this is happening to these models, I can make an easy assumption that if (or rather) when there is a newer version of Framura, it will also get them. 🙂
Hey John, Quality and material-wise definitely yes! Price-wise, Seashine will for sure be much more expensive (because of the above mentioned). When it comes to performance, I wouldn't dare to compare them as these 2 boats are too different: from their designs, through performance, to use cases.
This is a presentation of Seashine, not a review. I don't rate them, I'd rather leave it up to viewers - how do you like the boat based on what you've seen? 😉
I agree. 400-420cm long and having narrower hull would probably make an inflatable kayak perform exceptionally well. 😄 Fingers crossed for future developments.
What do you think about speed tests? Are details regarding cruising, acceleration, and top clocked speeds good enough and should I show these in future overviews? 😄
Have you noticed I had been testing the boat while sick? 🤧 Stuffed nose, light fever, and these kinds of things? 😅
He’s the best guy ever. We’ve just met. He gave me 30 minutes lesson. Explained me everything, calmly and nice. Such a good guy
Who's that? I don't know him... 🙃
God bless Gumotex, they finally decided to upgrade the zipper 😂, too bad it's too late for our old Swing 2.
The improved seats are a nice touch but i'm really curious about the new hull shape.
To be honest, the Seawave too can't lie flat on the ground because the central tube of the bottom is slightly oversized, in our esperience it really helps in windy conditions.
We were able to compare the Seawave and a classic dropstitch kayak (the copy and paste ones, they are all the same) on a windy day on the lake and the wind carried the dropstitch kayak where it wanted while the Seawave remained more manageable.
The added 15 cm of length of the Seashine will be appreciated at sea, maybe a bit less on rivers.
Hello there,
A refreshed version of Swing2 is coming out this year, with Swing1 most likely to follow later. The new one will now also have watertight zips.
When I was paddling the Seashine, I had wind of around 20kph on each of these 2 days. It handled very well and was not affected by it.
The added length is for the rocker - it will make sea trips more comfortable, I'm almost sure of it. 😁
nothing like a brand new clean boat
Exactly! 🤩
Hello Tom,
A great review from the perspective of a sporty, technical paddler that shows what is possible with this boat. Well done!
Greetings, Matthes
Many thanks Matthes!
I hope this overview will be useful for those who would consider having it when it's finally out on the market. 😄
Hi Tom, hands down for your very detailed and well explained overview of this new Gumotex Seashine! Well done mate!
Thanks Olaf. I'm very glad you liked it. I'd like this video to be useful for anyone interested in owning one.
Excellent review, Tom. Many thanks, Tobo
Thank you. 😊
What a beast of a kayak - it's huge! Looks like it still performs great. Loads of room for camping gear too.
It is huge indeed! 😁
For a solo camper there is a ton of space for sure. For a tandem? Probably ok as well but I can't gauge as I don't camp. 😅
Great to get the details on stability, I never understood much before getting your explanations, same for tilting. Thank you
I'm happy to hear that you found it useful. I understand primary and secondary stability but I'm only learning how to explain it to raise awareness. Thank you very much because that means I might have done something right here. 😅
Another great review. Thanks.
Thank you, Paul.
I have a few more planned and from what I know Gumotex are also happy to share more equipment with me in the future. 😉
Questa recensione è molto interessante ed approfondita. Sono impressionato! 🙏🤩 Grazie mille Tom 😁
You have some great skills and this is a great video 💪
Thanks. I'm only learning all this so my skills are still at a very, very basic level.
I was sick when I was recording all content and I think my face reveals.
Scripting, recording the voiceover, and editing it all took a tremendous amount of time. This was the most complex video I've made.
Awesome video, i quite like the seashine, it will be interesting to see the final product!
Thanks very much.
It's coming out soon.
There are only 2 changes in the final product: the front zip is gone and one of there will be only 1 bailing/rudder mounting hole at the stern instead of 2. Everything else stays the same. 😉
Eins der besten Testvideos vom Seashine. Gefällt mir sehr gut. Sind ja einige Sachen vom Zelgear übernommen worden. Viele Grüße ronactive
Thank you very much. I have now returned it as it was a prototype unit but I'll test more kayaks in a similar way this coming season. Being able to try different boats is a lot of fun. 😄
thanks for the well done review and greetings from vienna!
Thank you for your kind words. I'm glad you liked the video. 😊
Greetings from Crawley. 👋
Nice kayak. Huge thanks, like huge kayak :)
And a huge thanks from me for watching. 😄
Wow. Thanks for this video! I'm impressed. This has everything I ever wanted in one package. Inflatable, still comparably fast, convertable for two people, rudder kit for these long, straight stretches with wind or current from the side,... now there's one last open question: How suscebtible is it for heavy side winds? I know quite a few air boats that run into problems in windy conditions on big rivers. Any ideas?
//edit: I just noticed the Ladoga 1 is a lot cheaper if you add everything up (rudder kit, solo kit etc). Damn. Tough choices ahead...
On both days when I was testing it, I had wind of around 20kph. I didn't feel affected by it in any way. In terms of wind resistance, it felt the same way as my Rush1. 😁
@@LetsGoPaddling Sounds promising, thanks! It would be interesting though what happens between 30-40 or even 50-60. Like if you get caught by heavy winds on the carpathian danube for example. Hope you'll get the production version and some wind to go testing for us. Fingers crossed ;)
The retail version will be nearly the same. Gone will be the front zip and one of the two bailing holes at the stern. Everything else will remain the same.
I won't get a retail unit for testing.
Due to its greater dimensions, it might behave different than Rush1 in very strong wind. I was caught by 50kph gusts on Loch Ore last year. I have a trip video available here 😉: ua-cam.com/video/kgB_43mrySc/v-deo.html
@@LetsGoPaddling Thanks! Just watched it! Bummer you don't get a retail version for a final review. Will you buy one for yourself or do you prefer other boats?
@@WatchMysh Seashine is a huge boat. It's too large for me and I normally look for kayaks that allow some performance/technical paddling. Rush1 suits me best at the moment and, at least in 2024, I have no plans to move to another boat.
8kph for an inflatable is impressive
Times have changed, they are now very capable boats. Framura and x500 are even faster.
Like to see how it matches to Decathlon X500....
Seashine is a completely different category - it's way wider and meant for more recreational paddlers, while the x500 is a more "sporty", performance-oriented kayak.
I personally wouldn't compare them. 😉
The advantages of the Seashine are: you can use it in solo or duo, you can remove the deck, the nitrilon is stronger than the PVC used by Itiwit, the seats are more confortable. The avantages of the X500: it's cheaper, transportation bag is better finish especially for the K2. In term of speed a test has to be done, but it's not sure that there is a big difference of speed. The question about the Seashine is regarding the drop stitchs part as this is the first time that we have a kayak build like this. To obtain the shape of the bottom, the fabrics are put under stress, which means that the stitches are not subjected to homogeneous forces as is the case on other high pressure kayaks or on SUPs including the X500. Also it would be interesting to see how the bottom of the boat reacts to variations in pressure and temperature. Maybe it works well but only experience can tell.
It's the first time when Nitrilon Drop Stitch is shaped like this (the V-entry hull). But there already are kayaks made with Nitrilon Drop Stitch hulls. Thaya's floor bends upwards and forms a rocker, while both Rush models have keels built into their flat hulls.
This prototype has now been returned to Gumotex so I won't be able to check how it's faring in the long run.
From my own experience with Rush, I can happily report that there is absolutely nothing wrong happening with it after nearly 18 months of ownership. 😁
Ciao Tom , spero che queste cerniere impermeabili vengano installate anche nel resto dei modelli gumotex!
Sono partiti con lo swing e spero anche nel Framura
Onestamente non ha senso fare un kaiak con coperta per rimanere all'asciutto per poi avere delle cerniere che fanno acqua da tutte le parti
Ciao
Hi Filippo,
I agree with you that a sit inside kayak should be watertight. Gumotex decided to finally upgrade all zips.
Please, rest assured, the watertight zips are coming to Swing2, which should be released around the same time as Seashine (I heard spring this year). A refreshed Swing1 is now in development and this one will also have new zips. I want to replace my Swing1 when the new one comes out.
If this is happening to these models, I can make an easy assumption that if (or rather) when there is a newer version of Framura, it will also get them. 🙂
Would you say it's better that the Decathlon X500?
Hey John,
Quality and material-wise definitely yes!
Price-wise, Seashine will for sure be much more expensive (because of the above mentioned).
When it comes to performance, I wouldn't dare to compare them as these 2 boats are too different: from their designs, through performance, to use cases.
hi , will the price be the same that rush 2 or seawave?
Hi,
It is more expensive than Rush2 - at the time of this reply 2 stores run pre-orders for 2350€.
And what is your summary and rating?
This is a presentation of Seashine, not a review. I don't rate them, I'd rather leave it up to viewers - how do you like the boat based on what you've seen? 😉
How would you compare it to Seawave?
I haven't tried Seawave yet or even seen one outside of other UA-cam videos. I don't have a way to compare them then. 😕
Comunque questo seashine è un bel kaiak però è troppo lungo per un solo pagaiatore
Andrebbe bene sui 4 metri
I agree. 400-420cm long and having narrower hull would probably make an inflatable kayak perform exceptionally well. 😄
Fingers crossed for future developments.
Ti stai lamentando 😂, questo kayak è fantastico 🥹🩷🩷🩷