I can definitely do one on WW1 Enfield bayonets sometime! Would you be more interested in the P1903 or P1907? It may be a while before I can get it done though I haven’t even been able to make videos on the two I mentioned in the comment you replied to yet.
@@MilitariaReviewed p-1903 would be cool. can't wait till you can make the enfield vid! Love how you respond so quicky to comments. You just seem like a good guy trying to educate people.
I’ll get ahold of one of those and make a vid as soon as I can! That was my goal when I started making these, to make detailed information about militaria more accessible than it currently is. I really enjoy answering questions and helping people.
My grandfather recently gifted me a matching late war bayonet with the "mounted" leather frog, so i naturally found this video very informative, thanks!
That would actually be towards the end of the of production for that year because once they made it to “z” they switched back to “a” but doubled it so “aa” “bb” etc. In 1943 they made it all the way to “zz” but the latest I’ve seen from 1944 is 2233ff. Horster may have been a common manufacturer but a matching late war bayonet from 44 is quite desirable. Take care of it! Those have gone up in value by quite a bit in recent years. Does yours have the riveted grips by any chance? It falls within the serial range of other Horster bayonets with those. Hope all of that made sense.
Its very common to find ww2 German bayonets with mismatching numbers on the scabbards and the bayonets themselves. That is because when the Germans were surrendering the allies had them throw the bayonets in on pile and the scabbards in another pile. Any GIs that wanted a bayonet could take one, but they didnt take the time to dig in the piles to find matching numbers.
It's the same with matching rifles, the bolts and the rifles were separated after surrender to render the rifles kind of useless but this way many rifles lost its worth :-)
Great video. Just wanted to say the audio quality is much better in your last couple videos than your starting run months ago. Keep improving, your channel seems good.
Thanks, I appreciate it! I figured if I was going to keep making these then I should invest in a decent microphone rather than using the one on my phone. Glad you are enjoying them!
Thank you for the very informative video about the K98 bayonets. I do have one question though. On the scabbard at the top or very near to the top there is a small screw placed What does this small screw do or it's purpose?? Thanx again
I think non matching and in rough condition makes it much more historic because it was used in the war and parts got swapped for reassembly when blades would break after a lot of use in war, soldiers would use dead soldiers bayonets too instead. To me it's about history then about trying to value it for more money. Keep it as a piece of history.
This video is a wealth of information, and you helped me on these when I was getting my feet wet on their understanding. One of the best sources on these on the internet. Currently have 3 matching examples, two of which have 70% of their original bluing. Fantastic items to collect. I'd say this one most likely left the factory in this configuration. Its very unlikely they'd be mismatched so close together by a random hand coincidentally. It was pretty common for left over stock to have been used in mass manufacturing.
I was just gifted a parade bayonet from my dad’s friend who’s dad was a pilot in the Italian Air Force during ww2, it had a mounted leather frog, I can tell the markings vaguely on the frog but there is only one marking on the blade, I haven’t taken the hand guard off so idk what I will find but so far this video has been really informative
Dress or parade bayonet were not official military items so the markings will be totally different than a military issue bayonet. A number of different companies produced them, normally the same companies that made ceremonial swords, daggers, etc. The singular marking on the blade should be the company logo. I doubt there are any markings of interest under the grips but you could always take them off just to check. Glad you found the video informative! Maybe I'll make a video about dress bayonets sometime. If you can describe the logo to me I can tell you who made it.
@@MilitariaReviewed thanks for responding so soon and that would be super cool, it says “Gustav Klemme Herford”, also the frog’s markings say it was made in 1938 but I can’t read the manufacturer above it on the leather but on the metal it states 633i and on the other side clemen u. Jung
@@commandpower1172 It is believed that Gustav Klemme was a distributor who ordered unmarked bayonets to resell after he added his logo. Not much more is known beyond that. Your scabbard actually belonged to a standard K98 bayonet like the ones in my video. Dress bayonet scabbards wouldn't normally have any markings. Its was pretty common for them to get switched around. Looks like your frog is military issue too.
Another really good video. I would have been interested to see how the bayonet attaches to the rifle but I'm sure I can find this somewhere. Good luck with the channel.
I would have showed ya that if I had the rifle! Still waiting for the right one to come along, most I see now are insanely overpriced or mismatched Russian captures. Appreciate it!
1:00 does all Bajonetts have this ? My Bajonet has all other usual stampings and looks very real, but here it just has nothing, does that mean my Bajonet is fake?
What is the meaning of letter "S" in the serial number? I have a bayonet 41asw 7235 s Congratulations for this instructive video. Pindamonhangaba-SP Brazil
Awesome information! I’ve Recently acquired an original Wëhrmacht K98 bayonet for my collection it wasn’t cheap lol but that’s ok it’s something I’ve wanted for a long time. it’s in mint condition. It still has it’s bluing with light minimal surface rust for being 75 years old. The original frog on the other hand is so old I can’t use it only for display, and when I want to handle it I have to put gloves on it’s super fragile, it’s slowly falling apart I keep it oiled so The leather doesn’t dry out, I had to buy a reproduction frog. it’s a Beautiful piece, I’m very happy And a proud owner of an original combat used bayonet even though it may have a sad story behind it if only the bayonet could talk I wish I could know more about who owned in ww2 the only information I can find on my bayonet it was made in 1944 by Alexander Coppel GmbH in the town of Solingen Germany as it has 44 fnj stamped on one side of the blade and the other side ( 1790 M ) on the Hilt it has the Eagle marked ( waA519 ) and on the scabbard it’s was made 1933 with S/173G and small Eagle stamped on the tip. Side note I was trying to find out why my bayonet only have one eagle stamp on the hilt and not two, of witch I’ve seen on many others but couldn’t find anything as to why. Also here’s a link for anyone that would like to read the history of his family who made manufactured many things including K98 bayonets juedischer-friedhof-solingen.de/en/the-coppel-family/
Glad you enjoyed the video! If yours has a bit of surface rust you could put a light coating of gun oil on it to help prevent any more rust spots from popping up. The area of the country I live in is very humid so I am always dealing with rust prevention. Sounds like you got a nice one though! Unfortunately no records exist that match bayonets to the soldier that used them so really the only information you can get is where and when it was made. As to the single waffenamt on the pommel, this is correct for the year that your bayonet was produced. Many of the inspectors responsible for these markings were called away to the front, so some bayonets have only one waffenamt which would have saved valuable time. Thanks for the article, that was an interesting read.
Militaria Reviewed Greetings from Canada. That’s awesome! thank you for the last bit of information, as to why I only got one stamp on my bayonet I appreciate that. yes gun oil is a good idea i use Hoppe's No. 9 gun oil, on all my bayonets old or new and glad ya enjoyed the article. I’ll be looking forward to any new videos you put out keep up that amazing work :)
The one I bought at the show of shows yesterday was stamped 42agv and the blueing is rated at about 85%. All original I love it, bought it for my dad it’s gunna be tough giving it up seeing how gorgeous it is but I did buy it for him so i will eventually give it to him. I think he’ll love it just as much as I do.
A 1942 agv is a good find, especially with most of the blueing intact. Anything pre-1943 tends to have quite a bit of blueing loss. I can certainly see how it would be tempting to not give it up! I regret not making it to SoS this year, I scored some nice bayonets myself at last years show.
It helped me out cause I have one for about 5 years that I got from my friend who died from COVID. I knew it was German-made. Thanks for great video. 👍
I have exactly the same bayonet, I got it from my grandfather who got it from the military around 1940-1950. only difference is that mine has a very dark blue color on the blade.
I have two. One is definitely a veteran bring back but the serial numbers don’t match between scabbard and blade. A guy gave it to my dad in the late 50’s for shoeing his horse for him! The second I was Leary of but bought it anyway because the price was right and I had not came across any lately at the area gun shows. The only markings are the letters WKC stamped on the left side of the blade near the hilt. Otherwise it looks old with the correct amount of wear and the grip scales are a brighter red Bakelite then the other one which has the year stamped on top of the blade (42). I didn’t pay what a complete replica with frog costs today but I still wonder if I was duped. Where there late war models made with limited markings?
There were indeed companies, including WKC, making commercial bayonets in the mid to late war (43-44) period. It is also normal for late war grip scales to be a brighter red due to changes in raw material availability for the bakelite. When a company did a run of commercial bayonets they normally only stamped their name or associated code. No date, serial number, or waffenamts. A late war, commercial WKC is a nice find!
Militaria Reviewed thank you! I am not the most knowledgeable on bayonets but am trying. This history nerd is still trying to be a expert on Gettysburg, Stalingrad, Little Big Horn, and the Muese Argonne offensive! Oh and McClellan Army saddles! I finally found the mule driver version!
Love it! I have always been interested in german ww2 memorabilia, and I’ve always wanted to buy a k98 bayonet of my own, so this video was really enlightening! Do you have any good sites where I can buy original bayonets?
Sure, here is a little list of some. I got mine from The Ruptured Duck. These bayonets can be difficult to find for a good price so you might also consider checking eBay, just watch out for scams! Not all of these sites have them in stock at the moment but I will include them anyway because they are good, reputable sites. Just check in occasionally. simpsonltd.com/edged-weapons/german-military/bayonets/ www.lakesidetrader.com/German/WWII/Bayonet/ www.germanmilitaria.com/Heer/12EdgedWeapons3.html ebayonet.com/bayonetsg.htm
If you see one and have questions about it feel free to comment again or email me before you buy. These bayonets can be tricky which is why I made this video.
Very carefully! If you think the leather might crack or tear you might just want to leave it on there. What I did was carefully lift up the bit of leather that sits above the frog stud on the scabbard. Then try to slip the top part of the stud underneath the leather and it should slide out fairly easily.
I just picked up a 1937 Josua Corts Und Sohn bayonet from 1937. Can't tell if the Scabbard is matching or not but it is one of the type with the screw over the hook for the Frog not on the side of the Scabbard. Bought it for around $70.
It sounds like your bayonet might be in a Spanish produced scabbard. Thats a pretty good price for one. Getting hard to find them for under $100 these days.
@@MilitariaReviewed Especially from a well known manufacturer and a Pre-War dated bayonet. Though Whats interesting is that the Scabbard May be from the same time period as the bayonet based on the location of the screw. Because I just saw a 1944 Spanish KAR98K scabbard with the screw even lower down above the Frog hook. So I would put it somewhere between 1936 and 1943 As I saw a 1938 scabbard with the screw in the same place as mine.
I think you might be correct. I know Spain bought some bayonets from German in addition to manufacturing their own. Probably a replacement from its time in Spanish service.
@@MilitariaReviewed So basically a Spanish Civil War bayonet. Though I might try to find a correct Scabbard at some point. I did find something interesting inside the bayonet though a second set of serial numbers when I took the grip scales off to clean the inside.
@@MilitariaReviewed And I have a M1916 Turkish Mauser "Ersatz" Bayonet. I only found out today what it really was as I bought it in the early 2000's at a yard sale along with a Turkish 8mm Bandoleer.
I received a K98 from the family of a US GI who was present at the D Day landing, and there were two bayonet, one ser no 4213 C, with most of the bluing still present... some very basic corrosion, but not terrible... obviously period correct for the 1941 K98 with all matching numbers. The second bayonet is twice the length... looking for information on that one as it's obviously for the k98, but pre 1915.
I have no idea where you would get a replacement handguard. Pretty much the only parts you can find are grip scales and scabbard pieces. Maybe someone else knows.
Sometimes you can find ones on eBay that have had the blades destroyed by people trying to sharpen them. Getting one of those for cheap and pulling the handguard off it might be your best bet.
Would you know if the frog for this bayonet would also fit the K31 bayonet? I have the K31without the frog, on line you can get a repro frog for the K98.
I don't own a K31 bayonet so I can't say for sure but I highly doubt it. You might be able to squeeze it in there but it would just be held in place by friction. The K98 bayonet has a stud on the scabbard that fits into the frog while the K31 bayonet uses the little leather loop on the scabbard and a buckle on the frog. I was able to find the correct frog on eBay so you might check there. Strange that it seems like the majority of K31 bayonets were imported without their frogs.
Great video and very Informative , thank you. I have a bayonet like yours, but mine is in brand new, UnSharpened, UnUsed condition. I think I will make a video of it. My perfect, old bayonet came with a Mauser manufactured K-98 in about the same condition as the Blade. The Mauser was taken from an Armory in Germans as the allies advanced in the Spring of 1945. My uncle brought back three examples of the Mauser Rifle as war trophies, and gave one to my Father, which I now have. I did not know what kind of Rifle it was until I played a video game with the same rifle in it. My father was in the Battle of the Bulge in 1944 and the war affected him to the point of Having the Mauser , but never firing it. He gave it to me and I keep it as a Historical Piece from WW2 Germany. Great video and Thank You. (Also- what is the screw bayonet scabbard and which side of the bayonet goes in the scabbard, correctly? ) .RH DSD
Glad you liked the video! It is great that you have your father's K98 and bayonet. What a valuable family heirloom. You should definitely make a video about it. The bayonet should be placed in the scabbard so that both the catch button on the pommel and the frog stud on the scabbard are on the same side. That way, when it was hung on the belt, both of those pieces would face away from the body. Hopefully that makes sense. www.k98kforum.com/threads/collection.31419/page-10 The first picture on that page shows what I am talking about. I am not quite sure what you mean by screw bayonet scabbard. Would you mind clarifying that?
Mauser didn't make K98k bayonets (the SG. 84/98 III type) but the markings you described sound like it instead might be a 98/05 bayonet. If you want you can send me an email with some photos of it and I can confirm that for you and give you some more info.
I have the bayonet and everything matches except for the scabbard and the bottom of it where the little ball of the scabbard has a hole, should I be worried?
i have one exactly thesame manufacturer as yours, exactly thesame year and a condition so similiar i fr thought you where the previous owner of my bayonet. Ofcourse in noticed the serial number was different.
Hey, I’ve got an k98k bayo too, but mine is actually very weird one. So it just has two markings, on on the grip, one on the blade, the marking is just ‘1 4 7’ nothing else, do you know what does it mean?
Also have a 4 digit number on the handle I’m wondering why their there. If you go from the blade and make a line trough the screws there are 5289 stamped in metal part. But it’s not same as the serial number. Which is 9955 i. Any idea what it is. Low value due to chips in blade and not stored properly either. Any idea how to get it back as good as possible without using liquids that destroys it more?
Sounds like your bayonet was refurbished and used by some other country post-war. If you can send some photos to the email in my channel description I can try to identify the specific country and give you some tips on preventing deterioration.
Is there a really set way to tell if a DAK frog is repro? Like should there be a stamp on the back? I got one recently that is in too good of shape I think to be real and the people I got it from even said they thought it was reenactment.
There isn't really a checklist that I could give you to determine authenticity. As I am sure you know, tropical items are heavily faked and the sophistication of fakes of all types seems to increase every day. You have to look at material weave, stitching patterns and thread material, overall construction, etc. Many tropical frogs did have an inked stamp on the back but it is often illegible or has disappeared from wear over time. Without seeing the frog in question, my best advice would be: if your gut feeling tells you it is a fake, then it most likely is.
One bayonet for the Turkish 8mm mauser is a sword bayonet much longer than the one in this video or Turkish bayonet for their mauser which is a sort of copy of the German 8mm mauser both in ww2
Im looking for a bayonet for my k98, the gun says "DUV 41" On it and I'm not sure if there would be a specific bayonet that went on them. I would like one that "matched" if possible. I know that there are alot of bayonets that will fit the gun, but if there was one that matches would be nice. I have absolutely NO fucking idea how to find out
DUV is the manufacturing code for Berlin-Lubecker. That company did not manufacture bayonets and the serial numbers on K98 bayonets did not correspond with a particular rifle. In the video when I talk about matching bayonets that just means that the bayonet and scabbard both have the same serial number. So really any WW2 era SG. 84/98 III bayonet would be appropriate for your rifle, though if you wanted to you could find one manufactured during the same year, 1941.
I’m a bit confused, he is saying K date is 1934 but I have a S/155K with matching scabbard that is dated and displays “1937” on the scabbard. Can someone help me out ?
E.Pack & Sohne was one of the many manufacturers of these bayonets, so no need to worry about authenticity. Yours would have been made during or before 1940.
My father in law left me left me one of these bayonets and and Arisaka rifle. The bayonet is 42aSW # 7473C. The scabbard does not match but it is older. J.Sch. 1938 # 4829d.
I've got an original K98 bayonet, from what I can tell but I can't work out where it came from. It has no serial number at all but does have the german factory stamp markings below the blastguard and on the top end of the blade handle. It's good very old looking wooden grips and the blade is in the best condition I've seen, hardly any bluing gone. The scabbard is painted black but the seller told me it doesn't match the bayonet. What confuses me most is the marking on the metal part of the handle which has "3256M" written on it, no idea what it means and I've never seen it before. Any ideas anyone?
That’s strange. Could you send some photos of it to the email in my channel description? Sounds like it might be some sort of police or commercial variation.
Berg & Co. is the name of the company that produced your bayonet. 3568 C is the serial number. The “C” is a production block suffix that was added after 9,999 bayonets were produced. First a, then b, then c and so on. If you look on the spine (edge) of the blade there should be a number. Either 37, 38, 39, or 40. This is the year your bayonet was produced. Hope that helps!
A quick google search turned up a couple of places that have original screws and nuts. They are paired with replacement grip scales and I can't vouch for the individual sellers. I also found some replica screw sets that are a bit cheaper. I can post the links if you would like.
Hey MR, just found this video while researching my K98 bayonet. Now I’m concerned it’s a fake… It was dug up in Belgium (or so the seller said) around 1980 and was rusted to all hell. I got rid of all the rust and found almost no Nazi markings, only letters and numbers. On the blade it has: 93649, followed by a 469 under it, it also has a G on both sides of the grips and a 10, and 13; one on each side. They are both dark brown. On the other side of the blade, tucked near the grip is some kind of markings that resemble an LYM, almost unreadable. The blade also surprisingly has about 1/4 of the original bluing on it… pitted to all hell but still in fixable condition. The flash guard didn’t have any markings on it either, so they either rusted away or weren’t there to begin with. If you got this far, thanks for reading and I hope you can help me out :)
That sounds like an interesting bayonet. It is difficult to identify items by descriptions alone but if you would like to send some photos to the email in my channel description I can help you identify it.
@@MilitariaReviewed just took some pictures. It’s polished right now in preparation for a new bluing, and I managed to find some original parts to replace the once I couldn’t save. Thanks for responding :)
There was a version of the M1898/05 that had a sawback. It was much more than two inches though. Here is a link with a picture of one see if it looks familiar: simpsonltd.com/german-m1898-05-sawback-bayonet-1/ I believe there was also a second model 84/98 that had a sawback version but information on those is much more scarce.
I have seen a few different explanations for that hole, including the one I mentioned in the video. There were issues with muzzle blast damaging the side of the grips which is why flashguards were added during WWI. Any gasses that made their way between the grip scales could escape through this hole. The hole also served as a drain for water or other debris that entered the mounting slot when the bayonet was being carried in the scabbard. I have also seen it called a clean-out hole. A soldier could use a pick or some other thin tool to removed dirt or grease that accumulated inside the cleaning rod channel and might prevent the bayonet from mounting properly. Hope that answers your question.
Cleaning rod acts like a piston compressing the gas inside the cleaning rod channel which would crack the bakelite if not for vent holes (as the bayonet is being mounted obviously)
I have a bayonet, it has wooden grips, the end cap is slanted, and everything else is basically just a German k98 bayonet, there is no loop for the barrel. It’s has 7614 and a c under it on the front of the scabbard, and in the back it has S238G, on the hilt of the knife it has B20 and nothing else, I know it’s not a fake because you can’t fake a patina
@@MilitariaReviewed must have been a limited variant, everything on those ones are similar, but the metal part of the handle is slanted, kind of like the Czech vz24 bayonets, thanks for the reply
I found this video because I was doing a little bit of research on these things. The reason is, that my uncle, who has passed away a long time ago, had one of those during his military service from 44 to 45 and obviously must have kept it after the war had ended. It was found recently on an attic and now it is mine. It has matching serial numbers and is in perfect state (I guess he has never used it). It is also not sharpened. Maybe someone could help me out with the meaning of the code: 44 CPS and 2653 a on the blade and the sheath. Would be glad to hear some details on this. Thanks from Cologne/Germany.
Hello, 44 is the year of manufacture. The letter "a" below the serial number indicates that it was produced within the first couple months of 1944. After every 9999 bayonets the number started back at 1 and the letter was changed. crs is the manufacturer's code for Paul Weyersberg & Co.
That is almost certainly the case with some of the high-end cosmetically perfect number matching bayos out there. I honestly prefer to collect items that aren’t perfect but most likely saw combat.
Would anybody be interested in videos on the Japanese Type 30 or a Italian Carcano bayonet?
Yep. They sound interesting subjects.
could you do the enfield if you haven't. I've only watched the m1 garand bayonets vid. IM new to the channel. The wwi enfield bayonet to be specific
I can definitely do one on WW1 Enfield bayonets sometime! Would you be more interested in the P1903 or P1907? It may be a while before I can get it done though I haven’t even been able to make videos on the two I mentioned in the comment you replied to yet.
@@MilitariaReviewed p-1903 would be cool. can't wait till you can make the enfield vid! Love how you respond so quicky to comments. You just seem like a good guy trying to educate people.
I’ll get ahold of one of those and make a vid as soon as I can! That was my goal when I started making these, to make detailed information about militaria more accessible than it currently is. I really enjoy answering questions and helping people.
My grandfather recently gifted me a matching late war bayonet with the "mounted" leather frog, so i naturally found this video very informative, thanks!
Glad the video was informative! What is the manufacturer and year of your bayonet?
@@MilitariaReviewed 44 ASW, 0675 ff, so what i understand its early 44 and from the common manufacturer E. & F. Hörster, Solingen
That would actually be towards the end of the of production for that year because once they made it to “z” they switched back to “a” but doubled it so “aa” “bb” etc. In 1943 they made it all the way to “zz” but the latest I’ve seen from 1944 is 2233ff. Horster may have been a common manufacturer but a matching late war bayonet from 44 is quite desirable. Take care of it! Those have gone up in value by quite a bit in recent years. Does yours have the riveted grips by any chance? It falls within the serial range of other Horster bayonets with those. Hope all of that made sense.
@@MilitariaReviewed It made great sense, thank you! and yes the grips are riveted.
@@Victor-sh4nc very nice, great bayonet!
Its very common to find ww2 German bayonets with mismatching numbers on the scabbards and the bayonets themselves. That is because when the Germans were surrendering the allies had them throw the bayonets in on pile and the scabbards in another pile. Any GIs that wanted a bayonet could take one, but they didnt take the time to dig in the piles to find matching numbers.
It's the same with matching rifles, the bolts and the rifles were separated after surrender to render the rifles kind of useless but this way many rifles lost its worth :-)
Great video. Just wanted to say the audio quality is much better in your last couple videos than your starting run months ago. Keep improving, your channel seems good.
Thanks, I appreciate it! I figured if I was going to keep making these then I should invest in a decent microphone rather than using the one on my phone. Glad you are enjoying them!
That was very informative. Thank you.
Glad to hear that!
This video was awesome and helped me out a lot, after I blindly bought one at a gun show for my 98k. Very clear explaining!
I have a numbers matching 605, not in great condition but interesting none the less. Thank you for posting the great info!
Thank you for the very informative video about the K98 bayonets.
I do have one question though.
On the scabbard at the top or very near to the top there is a small screw placed
What does this small screw do or it's purpose??
Thanx again
I think non matching and in rough condition makes it much more historic because it was used in the war and parts got swapped for reassembly when blades would break after a lot of use in war, soldiers would use dead soldiers bayonets too instead. To me it's about history then about trying to value it for more money. Keep it as a piece of history.
This video is a wealth of information, and you helped me on these when I was getting my feet wet on their understanding. One of the best sources on these on the internet. Currently have 3 matching examples, two of which have 70% of their original bluing. Fantastic items to collect. I'd say this one most likely left the factory in this configuration. Its very unlikely they'd be mismatched so close together by a random hand coincidentally. It was pretty common for left over stock to have been used in mass manufacturing.
I was just gifted a parade bayonet from my dad’s friend who’s dad was a pilot in the Italian Air Force during ww2, it had a mounted leather frog, I can tell the markings vaguely on the frog but there is only one marking on the blade, I haven’t taken the hand guard off so idk what I will find but so far this video has been really informative
Also I’m not really sure what to be looking for on a parade bayonet either since I haven’t been able to find too many videos on them
Dress or parade bayonet were not official military items so the markings will be totally different than a military issue bayonet. A number of different companies produced them, normally the same companies that made ceremonial swords, daggers, etc. The singular marking on the blade should be the company logo. I doubt there are any markings of interest under the grips but you could always take them off just to check. Glad you found the video informative! Maybe I'll make a video about dress bayonets sometime. If you can describe the logo to me I can tell you who made it.
@@MilitariaReviewed thanks for responding so soon and that would be super cool, it says “Gustav Klemme Herford”, also the frog’s markings say it was made in 1938 but I can’t read the manufacturer above it on the leather but on the metal it states 633i and on the other side clemen u. Jung
@@commandpower1172 It is believed that Gustav Klemme was a distributor who ordered unmarked bayonets to resell after he added his logo. Not much more is known beyond that. Your scabbard actually belonged to a standard K98 bayonet like the ones in my video. Dress bayonet scabbards wouldn't normally have any markings. Its was pretty common for them to get switched around. Looks like your frog is military issue too.
@@MilitariaReviewed oh cool, thank you so much
Another really good video. I would have been interested to see how the bayonet attaches to the rifle but I'm sure I can find this somewhere. Good luck with the channel.
I would have showed ya that if I had the rifle! Still waiting for the right one to come along, most I see now are insanely overpriced or mismatched Russian captures. Appreciate it!
This channel is so addicting. Love to see more. Many thumbs up.
1:00 does all Bajonetts have this ? My Bajonet has all other usual stampings and looks very real, but here it just has nothing, does that mean my Bajonet is fake?
What is the meaning of letter "S" in the serial number? I have a bayonet 41asw 7235 s
Congratulations for this instructive video.
Pindamonhangaba-SP Brazil
Awesome information! I’ve Recently acquired an original Wëhrmacht K98 bayonet for my collection it wasn’t cheap lol but that’s ok it’s something I’ve wanted for a long time. it’s in mint condition. It still has it’s bluing with light minimal surface rust for being 75 years old. The original frog on the other hand is so old I can’t use it only for display, and when I want to handle it I have to put gloves on it’s super fragile, it’s slowly falling apart I keep it oiled so The leather doesn’t dry out, I had to buy a reproduction frog. it’s a Beautiful piece, I’m very happy And a proud owner of an original combat used bayonet even though it may have a sad story behind it if only the bayonet could talk I wish I could know more about who owned in ww2 the only information I can find on my bayonet it was made in 1944 by Alexander Coppel GmbH in the town of Solingen Germany as it has 44 fnj stamped on one side of the blade and the other side ( 1790 M ) on the Hilt it has the Eagle marked ( waA519 ) and on the scabbard it’s was made 1933 with S/173G and small Eagle stamped on the tip. Side note I was trying to find out why my bayonet only have one eagle stamp on the hilt and not two, of witch I’ve seen on many others but couldn’t find anything as to why.
Also here’s a link for anyone that would like to read the history of his family who made manufactured many things including K98 bayonets juedischer-friedhof-solingen.de/en/the-coppel-family/
Glad you enjoyed the video! If yours has a bit of surface rust you could put a light coating of gun oil on it to help prevent any more rust spots from popping up. The area of the country I live in is very humid so I am always dealing with rust prevention. Sounds like you got a nice one though! Unfortunately no records exist that match bayonets to the soldier that used them so really the only information you can get is where and when it was made. As to the single waffenamt on the pommel, this is correct for the year that your bayonet was produced. Many of the inspectors responsible for these markings were called away to the front, so some bayonets have only one waffenamt which would have saved valuable time.
Thanks for the article, that was an interesting read.
Militaria Reviewed
Greetings from Canada. That’s awesome! thank you for the last bit of information, as to why I only got one stamp on my bayonet I appreciate that. yes gun oil is a good idea i use Hoppe's No. 9 gun oil, on all my bayonets old or new and glad ya enjoyed the article. I’ll be looking forward to any new videos you put out keep up that amazing work :)
@@Canadian_Whiskey Thanks, hopefully I'll have something new to put out next week!
The one I bought at the show of shows yesterday was stamped 42agv and the blueing is rated at about 85%. All original I love it, bought it for my dad it’s gunna be tough giving it up seeing how gorgeous it is but I did buy it for him so i will eventually give it to him. I think he’ll love it just as much as I do.
A 1942 agv is a good find, especially with most of the blueing intact. Anything pre-1943 tends to have quite a bit of blueing loss. I can certainly see how it would be tempting to not give it up! I regret not making it to SoS this year, I scored some nice bayonets myself at last years show.
Hi, thanks for the explaining. I may have a dump question, but how can I remove the scabbard for the Koppelschuh (u called frog)? Thanks in advance
It helped me out cause I have one for about 5 years that I got from my friend who died from COVID.
I knew it was German-made. Thanks for great video. 👍
I have exactly the same bayonet, I got it from my grandfather who got it from the military around 1940-1950. only difference is that mine has a very dark blue color on the blade.
Have one with all the correct markings on it, but it has a “S.244.36.” on the blade. Is 36 the year? Matching frog and scabbard.
I have a 1940 k98 bayonet with matching number scabbard and no frog it still has a decent bit of bluing on it but has been sharpened before I got it
I have two. One is definitely a veteran bring back but the serial numbers don’t match between scabbard and blade. A guy gave it to my dad in the late 50’s for shoeing his horse for him!
The second I was Leary of but bought it anyway because the price was right and I had not came across any lately at the area gun shows. The only markings are the letters WKC stamped on the left side of the blade near the hilt.
Otherwise it looks old with the correct amount of wear and the grip scales are a brighter red Bakelite then the other one which has the year stamped on top of the blade (42). I didn’t pay what a complete replica with frog costs today but I still wonder if I was duped. Where there late war models made with limited markings?
There were indeed companies, including WKC, making commercial bayonets in the mid to late war (43-44) period. It is also normal for late war grip scales to be a brighter red due to changes in raw material availability for the bakelite. When a company did a run of commercial bayonets they normally only stamped their name or associated code. No date, serial number, or waffenamts. A late war, commercial WKC is a nice find!
Militaria Reviewed thank you! I am not the most knowledgeable on bayonets but am trying. This history nerd is still trying to be a expert on Gettysburg, Stalingrad, Little Big Horn, and the Muese Argonne offensive! Oh and
McClellan Army saddles! I finally found the mule driver version!
@@pigmanobvious Glad I could help. It can certainly be hard to keep up with all of the information related to these bayonets!
Good information, I just picked up a 42cof matching Numbers K98 bayonet along with its scabbard for 80 bucks
Very nice! That is a great price.
Love it! I have always been interested in german ww2 memorabilia, and I’ve always wanted to buy a k98 bayonet of my own, so this video was really enlightening! Do you have any good sites where I can buy original bayonets?
Sure, here is a little list of some. I got mine from The Ruptured Duck. These bayonets can be difficult to find for a good price so you might also consider checking eBay, just watch out for scams! Not all of these sites have them in stock at the moment but I will include them anyway because they are good, reputable sites. Just check in occasionally.
simpsonltd.com/edged-weapons/german-military/bayonets/
www.lakesidetrader.com/German/WWII/Bayonet/
www.germanmilitaria.com/Heer/12EdgedWeapons3.html
ebayonet.com/bayonetsg.htm
If you see one and have questions about it feel free to comment again or email me before you buy. These bayonets can be tricky which is why I made this video.
@@MilitariaReviewed Thank you so much, I really appreciate it! I will let you know if I find something :)
Sounds good!
Simpson Ltd., The War Front, Militarycollectibles, and Ruptured duck are all solid from my experience.
Great video! How you you manage to remove the frog though? It’s very hard on my own and don’t want to damage it
Very carefully! If you think the leather might crack or tear you might just want to leave it on there. What I did was carefully lift up the bit of leather that sits above the frog stud on the scabbard. Then try to slip the top part of the stud underneath the leather and it should slide out fairly easily.
I just picked up a 1937 Josua Corts Und Sohn bayonet from 1937. Can't tell if the Scabbard is matching or not but it is one of the type with the screw over the hook for the Frog not on the side of the Scabbard. Bought it for around $70.
It sounds like your bayonet might be in a Spanish produced scabbard. Thats a pretty good price for one. Getting hard to find them for under $100 these days.
@@MilitariaReviewed Especially from a well known manufacturer and a Pre-War dated bayonet. Though Whats interesting is that the Scabbard May be from the same time period as the bayonet based on the location of the screw. Because I just saw a 1944 Spanish KAR98K scabbard with the screw even lower down above the Frog hook. So I would put it somewhere between 1936 and 1943 As I saw a 1938 scabbard with the screw in the same place as mine.
I think you might be correct. I know Spain bought some bayonets from German in addition to manufacturing their own. Probably a replacement from its time in Spanish service.
@@MilitariaReviewed So basically a Spanish Civil War bayonet. Though I might try to find a correct Scabbard at some point. I did find something interesting inside the bayonet though a second set of serial numbers when I took the grip scales off to clean the inside.
@@MilitariaReviewed And I have a M1916 Turkish Mauser "Ersatz" Bayonet. I only found out today what it really was as I bought it in the early 2000's at a yard sale along with a Turkish 8mm Bandoleer.
I received a K98 from the family of a US GI who was present at the D Day landing, and there were two bayonet, one ser no 4213 C, with most of the bluing still present... some very basic corrosion, but not terrible... obviously period correct for the 1941 K98 with all matching numbers. The second bayonet is twice the length... looking for information on that one as it's obviously for the k98, but pre 1915.
Very interesting video! I have a bayonet from the same company, but it lacks its handguard. Does anyone know where i can get a replacement?
I have no idea where you would get a replacement handguard. Pretty much the only parts you can find are grip scales and scabbard pieces. Maybe someone else knows.
@@MilitariaReviewed I think at the end i have to find someone who can make a new one.
Sometimes you can find ones on eBay that have had the blades destroyed by people trying to sharpen them. Getting one of those for cheap and pulling the handguard off it might be your best bet.
@@MilitariaReviewed That sounds like a good idea :)
Would you know if the frog for this bayonet would also fit the K31 bayonet? I have the K31without the frog, on line you can get a repro frog for the K98.
I don't own a K31 bayonet so I can't say for sure but I highly doubt it. You might be able to squeeze it in there but it would just be held in place by friction. The K98 bayonet has a stud on the scabbard that fits into the frog while the K31 bayonet uses the little leather loop on the scabbard and a buckle on the frog. I was able to find the correct frog on eBay so you might check there. Strange that it seems like the majority of K31 bayonets were imported without their frogs.
@@MilitariaReviewed thanks for info.👍
Great video and very Informative , thank you. I have a bayonet like yours, but mine is in brand new, UnSharpened, UnUsed condition. I think I will make a video of it. My perfect, old bayonet came with a Mauser manufactured K-98 in about the same condition as the Blade. The Mauser was taken from an Armory in Germans as the allies advanced in the Spring of 1945. My uncle brought back three examples of the Mauser Rifle as war trophies, and gave one to my Father, which I now have. I did not know what kind of Rifle it was until I played a video game with the same rifle in it. My father was in the Battle of the Bulge in 1944 and the war affected him to the point of Having the Mauser , but never firing it. He gave it to me and I keep it as a Historical Piece from WW2 Germany. Great video and Thank You. (Also- what is the screw bayonet scabbard and which side of the bayonet goes in the scabbard, correctly? ) .RH DSD
Glad you liked the video! It is great that you have your father's K98 and bayonet. What a valuable family heirloom. You should definitely make a video about it.
The bayonet should be placed in the scabbard so that both the catch button on the pommel and the frog stud on the scabbard are on the same side. That way, when it was hung on the belt, both of those pieces would face away from the body. Hopefully that makes sense. www.k98kforum.com/threads/collection.31419/page-10
The first picture on that page shows what I am talking about.
I am not quite sure what you mean by screw bayonet scabbard. Would you mind clarifying that?
Ive got one with no serial numbers but it just sais waffenfabriek mauser on the blade any idea obout origin or period?
Mauser didn't make K98k bayonets (the SG. 84/98 III type) but the markings you described sound like it instead might be a 98/05 bayonet. If you want you can send me an email with some photos of it and I can confirm that for you and give you some more info.
Great video
Thanks!
Is Diamond elite a good bionet to buy, or i mean is it special
What type of bluing was used ?
A very clear and informative video. Thank you. 👴🏻🇦🇺
Nice video
I have the bayonet and everything matches except for the scabbard and the bottom of it where the little ball of the scabbard has a hole, should I be worried?
i have one exactly thesame manufacturer as yours, exactly thesame year and a condition so similiar i fr thought you where the previous owner of my bayonet. Ofcourse in noticed the serial number was different.
what is the approximate $ value of the one in the vdeo?
What does it mean if my bayonet doesn’t have a serial number but has the other stampings?
Great presentation 👏
So if the blade is unsharpened, does that mean it was never used then?
Hey, I’ve got an k98k bayo too, but mine is actually very weird one. So it just has two markings, on on the grip, one on the blade, the marking is just ‘1 4 7’ nothing else, do you know what does it mean?
How do I find out what mine is worth. I know it was from WW2. With a design on the blade.
Also have a 4 digit number on the handle I’m wondering why their there. If you go from the blade and make a line trough the screws there are 5289 stamped in metal part. But it’s not same as the serial number. Which is 9955 i. Any idea what it is. Low value due to chips in blade and not stored properly either. Any idea how to get it back as good as possible without using liquids that destroys it more?
Sounds like your bayonet was refurbished and used by some other country post-war. If you can send some photos to the email in my channel description I can try to identify the specific country and give you some tips on preventing deterioration.
Is there a really set way to tell if a DAK frog is repro? Like should there be a stamp on the back? I got one recently that is in too good of shape I think to be real and the people I got it from even said they thought it was reenactment.
There isn't really a checklist that I could give you to determine authenticity. As I am sure you know, tropical items are heavily faked and the sophistication of fakes of all types seems to increase every day. You have to look at material weave, stitching patterns and thread material, overall construction, etc. Many tropical frogs did have an inked stamp on the back but it is often illegible or has disappeared from wear over time. Without seeing the frog in question, my best advice would be: if your gut feeling tells you it is a fake, then it most likely is.
@@MilitariaReviewed Alright thanks.
One bayonet for the Turkish 8mm mauser is a sword bayonet much longer than the one in this video or Turkish bayonet for their mauser which is a sort of copy of the German 8mm mauser both in ww2
Im looking for a bayonet for my k98, the gun says "DUV 41" On it and I'm not sure if there would be a specific bayonet that went on them. I would like one that "matched" if possible. I know that there are alot of bayonets that will fit the gun, but if there was one that matches would be nice. I have absolutely NO fucking idea how to find out
DUV is the manufacturing code for Berlin-Lubecker. That company did not manufacture bayonets and the serial numbers on K98 bayonets did not correspond with a particular rifle. In the video when I talk about matching bayonets that just means that the bayonet and scabbard both have the same serial number. So really any WW2 era SG. 84/98 III bayonet would be appropriate for your rifle, though if you wanted to you could find one manufactured during the same year, 1941.
@@MilitariaReviewed oh damn. Thanks fella
No problem, let me know if you have any other questions.
I’m a bit confused, he is saying K date is 1934 but I have a S/155K with matching scabbard that is dated and displays “1937” on the scabbard. Can someone help me out ?
Fun fact, the leafsprings inside of the scabbard are also WaA marked.
Mine has "E.Pack&s." On it, idk if that means that it's not authentic or if that's the brand
E.Pack & Sohne was one of the many manufacturers of these bayonets, so no need to worry about authenticity. Yours would have been made during or before 1940.
My father in law left me left me one of these bayonets and and Arisaka rifle. The bayonet is 42aSW # 7473C. The scabbard does not match but it is older. J.Sch. 1938 # 4829d.
I've got an original K98 bayonet, from what I can tell but I can't work out where it came from. It has no serial number at all but does have the german factory stamp markings below the blastguard and on the top end of the blade handle. It's good very old looking wooden grips and the blade is in the best condition I've seen, hardly any bluing gone. The scabbard is painted black but the seller told me it doesn't match the bayonet. What confuses me most is the marking on the metal part of the handle which has "3256M" written on it, no idea what it means and I've never seen it before.
Any ideas anyone?
It looks more like an M 1884/98 but the grips have a slightly darker wood tone to them
That’s strange. Could you send some photos of it to the email in my channel description? Sounds like it might be some sort of police or commercial variation.
@@MilitariaReviewed thanks man sure
@@MilitariaReviewed email sent
Probably a Portugese export
On my bayonet stands Berg &co 3568 C. Do you know what this mean .
Berg & Co. is the name of the company that produced your bayonet. 3568 C is the serial number. The “C” is a production block suffix that was added after 9,999 bayonets were produced. First a, then b, then c and so on. If you look on the spine (edge) of the blade there should be a number. Either 37, 38, 39, or 40. This is the year your bayonet was produced. Hope that helps!
@@MilitariaReviewed ok thank you
I recently bought one and the frog has a stamp that says "L.L.G. Hesson 1942". Does anyone know what that would mean?
Opa said:
"Rein in den Wanst, dann drehen und raus ziehen "
Nice, I have a 1937 numbers matching un sharpened one.
Blueing is in good condition, wood grip is not in good nick sadly.
I have a k98k bajonett with serial S/172 .. year?
Made sometime between 1934 and 37 by Carl Eickhorn Stahlwarenfabrik, Solingen
where can you find new screws and nuts?
A quick google search turned up a couple of places that have original screws and nuts. They are paired with replacement grip scales and I can't vouch for the individual sellers. I also found some replica screw sets that are a bit cheaper. I can post the links if you would like.
@@MilitariaReviewed Grazie, mi puoi dare i link ?
My K98k bayonet appears to have black backlite grips(if brown they're very dark?).
Sounds like they are Bakelite. Do they have the diagonal grip lines in the middle like mine do?
I have a k 98 bayonet and the serial number is misplaced
It may be a Yugoslavian rework. They refurbished German bayonets after the war and added new serial numbers to them.
i have one very good condition but no marks at all i think that could be Polish , because Poland produced mauser before ww2 but i am not sure
Is this a good knife for bushcraft
I wouldn’t recommend it. Unless you find a really beat up one, sharpening would heavily decrease the value.
Hey MR, just found this video while researching my K98 bayonet. Now I’m concerned it’s a fake…
It was dug up in Belgium (or so the seller said) around 1980 and was rusted to all hell. I got rid of all the rust and found almost no Nazi markings, only letters and numbers.
On the blade it has: 93649, followed by a 469 under it, it also has a G on both sides of the grips and a 10, and 13; one on each side. They are both dark brown.
On the other side of the blade, tucked near the grip is some kind of markings that resemble an LYM, almost unreadable. The blade also surprisingly has about 1/4 of the original bluing on it… pitted to all hell but still in fixable condition.
The flash guard didn’t have any markings on it either, so they either rusted away or weren’t there to begin with.
If you got this far, thanks for reading and I hope you can help me out :)
That sounds like an interesting bayonet. It is difficult to identify items by descriptions alone but if you would like to send some photos to the email in my channel description I can help you identify it.
@@MilitariaReviewed just took some pictures. It’s polished right now in preparation for a new bluing, and I managed to find some original parts to replace the once I couldn’t save.
Thanks for responding :)
What are the exact measurements of the weapon?
Blade length is 9 3/4 inches, blade width is 1 inch before the taper, overall length is 15 1/8 inches. Let me know if you need any other measurements.
When I was a kid (about 60 years ago!), I had a German that had about 2 inches of saw-toothing running along the spine. Would it have been a K98?
It could have been if it had the markings. Soldiers and others made modifications like that but they reduce the value of the bayonet.
There was a version of the M1898/05 that had a sawback. It was much more than two inches though. Here is a link with a picture of one see if it looks familiar:
simpsonltd.com/german-m1898-05-sawback-bayonet-1/
I believe there was also a second model 84/98 that had a sawback version but information on those is much more scarce.
Moj je crs 41?
So... how does gas get inside the bayonet? That really isn't explained how would the cleaning rod channel ever be pressurized?
I have seen a few different explanations for that hole, including the one I mentioned in the video. There were issues with muzzle blast damaging the side of the grips which is why flashguards were added during WWI. Any gasses that made their way between the grip scales could escape through this hole. The hole also served as a drain for water or other debris that entered the mounting slot when the bayonet was being carried in the scabbard. I have also seen it called a clean-out hole. A soldier could use a pick or some other thin tool to removed dirt or grease that accumulated inside the cleaning rod channel and might prevent the bayonet from mounting properly. Hope that answers your question.
@@MilitariaReviewed I could see the drainage hole being a thing but not gas.
Cleaning rod acts like a piston compressing the gas inside the cleaning rod channel which would crack the bakelite if not for vent holes (as the bayonet is being mounted obviously)
I have the same bayonet, got ut yesterday
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it is a bayonet and combat fighting when you close to enemy
I have a bayonet, it has wooden grips, the end cap is slanted, and everything else is basically just a German k98 bayonet, there is no loop for the barrel. It’s has 7614 and a c under it on the front of the scabbard, and in the back it has S238G, on the hilt of the knife it has B20 and nothing else, I know it’s not a fake because you can’t fake a patina
Yours was made by Durkopp in 1935. Sounds like a nice bayonet!
@@MilitariaReviewed must have been a limited variant, everything on those ones are similar, but the metal part of the handle is slanted, kind of like the Czech vz24 bayonets, thanks for the reply
@@MilitariaReviewed I uploaded a video showing the bayonet to my channel if you wanted to have a better look at it
Cool I’ll take a look
@@MilitariaReviewed thanks man
I found this video because I was doing a little bit of research on these things. The reason is, that my uncle, who has passed away a long time ago, had one of those during his military service from 44 to 45 and obviously must have kept it after the war had ended. It was found recently on an attic and now it is mine. It has matching serial numbers and is in perfect state (I guess he has never used it). It is also not sharpened. Maybe someone could help me out with the meaning of the code: 44 CPS and 2653 a on the blade and the sheath. Would be glad to hear some details on this. Thanks from Cologne/Germany.
Sorry, it reads crs on it. Need to use my glasses more often....
Hello,
44 is the year of manufacture. The letter "a" below the serial number indicates that it was produced within the first couple months of 1944. After every 9999 bayonets the number started back at 1 and the letter was changed. crs is the manufacturer's code for Paul Weyersberg & Co.
I have a Turkish version this bayonet
Those Turkish bayonets are nice. I’d like to pick one up sometime.
@@MilitariaReviewed I thought it's a german K98K version or the yugoslavian version instead I looked up on K98K and turns out it's a Turkish version
I got matching numbers with 1943 printed on the frog
Word on the street is that if #s match, it probably did not see action.
That is almost certainly the case with some of the high-end cosmetically perfect number matching bayos out there. I honestly prefer to collect items that aren’t perfect but most likely saw combat.
produce by different company
Wehrmacht can opener
My dad actually has a bayonet that belonged to German officer he got it from his friend grandpa who took it off from the dead German officer
i have one from 1936
According to the rifle book, it was forbidden to sharpen the bayonet.
The reason being that the sharp blade makes a cleaner cut and the unsharpened makes a tearing type wound,not as easily repaired.
I havean odd one. I'ts a K98 bayonet with 2 waffenamts on the pummel but it has no serial number or makers mark.