Tim Allen's Ford RS200 - Jay Leno's Garage
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2023
- Jay's "Best Frenemy," Tim Allen, visits the garage and brings with him his very rare English Ford RS200. This is a fascinating rear-engine vehicle, complete with its "clamshell" rear hood. Jay and Tim then take it for a ride through the canyons and really get the feel for this torquie beast!
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I could watch this every week.
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Noice.
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Tim Allen is like my friends Dad. He never remembers any details accurately but he’s always in the ballpark.
he gives you a good gist of it haha
this haha
Facts bro 🤣🤣
@@tristanmeadows You know, that Subaru STIGPRXTKL..
Tim was just being respectful... he obviously knows a lot more about a car he owns than Jay. Tim is just as big of a car guy as Leno but maybe a better car guy than Leno. Leno also said this car was "fast" its not fast, its quick. Leno just doesn't know everything, he cant... but who tf questions a car guy that OWNS it? Leno IS wrong, everything Allen said was facts.
America's 90s Dad. Loved this man growing up. Still do.
Gay
@@Jazzman-0Are you gay with your dad? Keep that kind of stuff to yourself.
@@toddthezondalover645 I don’t proclaim actors on TV (im not related to) as family that I love. That’s gay. Interesting to see where your mind goes, though.
@@Jazzman-0 You set yourself up for it. Sorry you are such a fragile snowflake of an individual. You need to play some sports or go outside.
2 guys in Cosworth
Thank you for showing this car! I did quite a bit of research on the RS200. Even if the World Rally Championship doesn’t seem famous in North America, the RS200 was, shall I say, relative successful there. 200 cars have been made for homologation, of which some 50 have been dismantled again as spare parts for rallying. Of the remaining cars 12 made it to USA and 1 to Canada. Tim Allen’s car is # 165 of 200.
I think I can offer a few interesting things that Tim Allen and Jay Leno were not too sure about:
The Ford RS200s were assembled at Reliant, most famous for small 3-wheeler cars as the #ReliantRobin. This may sound very surprising. But the RS200 was designed by Ghia and engineered by Ford Motorsport UK. So for assembly the company didn’t need to be a sports car manufacturer, it needed to be someone who can run such a small production and has experience with composite materials and that made Reliant an obvious choice. While basically everything, chassis etc. was specially made for the RS200, it borrowed many parts especially from the Ford Sierra. Rear lights, windscreen, shortened doors and some dashbord panels are all from the Europen Ford Sierra, that in the USA was briefly sold as the Merkur XR4Ti.
The RS200 engine indeed has nothing to do with Lotus. This is a falso information. However I can see where this misconception may come from. In World Rallying Ford used the Lotus Cortina. Next came the smaller and lighter Ford Escort RS, and despite the Lotus bit missing in its name the rally Escorts at first had the 1.6L Lotus engine from the Cortina. But over the years this engine became too small, so Cosworth designed a larger “BDA” engine based on Ford’s own Kent 4-cylinder to replace the Lotus engine in the early Escorts. This engine was then used as a turbo charged “BDT” 1.8L in the RS200.
It is not entirely correct to say the rally versions had a 2.1L engine. In 1986 the works rally cars also had the 1.8L and power output was “only” 420BHP. And it was not only the accident in Portugal 1986 that killed the groupB, next was the sad deaths of Henri Toivonen and his btw USA based codriver Sergio Cresto on Corsica that eventually drew the line. As for the engines, in rallying there was a regulation that identified a minimum weight in line with engine size. Most teams chose a 1.8 that with turbo factor (x1.4) fitted the 2.5L class. The Ford RS200 with its clever transmission layout but a double propshaft was quite heavy and could never profit from the low minimum weight and therefore Ford decided to enlarge the engine to 2.1L (x1.4 = up to 3.0L). With this larger engine power output way beyond 500BHP was possible. Ford developed this larger engine for 1987, but by that time groupB rallying was banned from the WRC.
Finally Tim Allen keeps mentioning the groupB Renault and Peugeot. These cars had some body and chassis panels from their road going sisters R5 and 205, but still were very remote from these. Moreover what Tim Allen questions: No, the groupB Renaults and Peugeots have no similarities at all. While Peugeot also owned Talbot and Citroen, Renault is their number 1 competition. It also is seen in the layouts. The groupB Renault R5 engine is longitudinally mid-mounted with rear wheel drive only and as such mainly of use on asphalt. Despite winning Monte Carlo, the R5 was more aimed at French Championship rallying only. The Peugeot 205 T16 has the engine transverse mid-mounted and 4x4 and made to win the World title on all terrains. Winning all titles in 85 + 86 the 205 T16 is probably the biggest icon of groupB today. So they are very, very different projects, but both no doubt fascinating.
Hope this was interesting and informative for everyone - maybe even for Tim and Jay.
Always great to see someone mentioning the turbo multiplication factor.
Thank you for the actual history and facts. It seems odd that someone would go to the trouble of buying and importing this special and rare car and knowing so little about it.
@@stevenluftman1971 It seems weird to me that you would judge someone else's reasoning. Other than jealousy I guess.
@@eriklarson9137 hi Eric, maybe you’re correct. Or maybe I phrased it badly. I am a fan of Tim Allen. As a car-nut/gear-head, if I spent $250-500k for a very rare vehicle I’d like to think I would have a greater knowledge of its history. I’m not trying to judge anyone, but maybe I did.
Thanks for the update
Tim Allen owns an RS200? A true Man Of Culture!
He's a "hey, that'd be cool" fanboy! HE KNOWS NOTHING about cars!
@@black8art He knows more than you, hoss.
🤣@@black8art
@@Gr8Layksyeah remember when he sat down and told me about the WRX si. 😂
@@robertstone9988
🤣 yeah he should stick to comedy, cos cars 🤦🏻♂️😂 his brain is getting the Lotus Cortina confused with Lotus Cosworth 🤣🤣✌️🇬🇧
This level of friendship is a rare sight nowadays. These guys have been at it for decades 😂
Rare in your eyes maybe. I'm sad to hear that.
Great to have both of them on Last Man Standing. Some great cars there as well
Ive been watching youtube since its infancy and this is my first ever comment on a video. Mr. Allen I'm 50 years old and yout humor has been part of saving my life. I was injured 16 years ago at age 34 and left in a wheelchair for life. I remember watching you do your standup before your first television show. So thanks for the laughs and your craft and your true love of all automobiles. Mr. Leno I'm out in my shop everyday tinkering on something. Ive watched nearly all your Garage shows and ofcourse late night. Thank you as well sir.....on a note I'd guess based on the RS design that they had to have had plans for hard sells in America but with Pontiac pulling the Fiero there was no point. The crowd had been tested and said NO we want carppy under powered fwd. I took my dad's 86 and a half Fiero GT Fasback v6 on mine and my wifes first date. Still married to the same gal 31 years later....Anyways thank you guys oh and Tim THANKS for the SS Caprice ARARAR!!! P.S. for Tim....I believe people who cant handle dry humor should be seen and not heard...lol
Did you give your wheel chair...... more power ? Electric engines are a lot smaller now
“MORE POWER!”
UA-cam was conceived almost 20 years ago, which is an insane thing to say
@@ShartSydePhilhow dare you make me feel old!!!
Jay Leno… the humblest car enthusiast ever… we love you jay and Tim!
He is such a nice host to his friends as well. The moment Tim Allen said this was the pinacle of Suspension engineering... Jay didn't throw Mag ride in his face.... But We all know technology and evolution of ideas has made the modern car "Super".
It's really impressive how Tim Allen is so willing to admit that he doesn't know every gearhead detail behind his RS200. Let the haters crap on him. But a real man knows his limitations and recognizes that sometimes the strongest answer is "I don't know." Plus Tim clearly loves this car. 👍
I wonder if people know that you can love a car, and not have to memorize every statistic or know who the suspension designer's Wife's Uncle was? I respected that he admitted he didn't want to spout incorrect information.
Knowing a little would be good......
Tim is a muscle car guy, not a rally guy....he just buys what he likes, Knowing about the car really Doesn't benefit him......he just drives it.
Weird how a rich guy's disinterest is impressive. It's really not hard to figure out who Cosworth are, especially in the age of the internet. I don't hate him tho, my problem is more with you being impressed by how incurious he is with his super rare car.
Wasn't Tim a Drug Dealer who found his limitations in that arena too?
Breaks my heart that these 2 legends had to get old. I still watch home improvement.
Same, I watched Home Improvement every night as a kid
All my favorite shows can now be streamed, except Home Improvement. It's aggravating lol
@myst8217 huh? Its on Disney and Hulu. You know theres more streaming services beyond Netflix right?
The real question is, what happens to Jay Leno's Garage once he passes?
@@myst8217 I dislike Hulu, but Home Improvement is available on their streaming service. But I loved that show so much as a child. I still do as an adult. The Christmas episodes were my favorite. They always brought out that wonderful Christmas spirit. **** My comment was edited by someone to remove hulu from it. No joke***
Love the chemistry and dialogue in this video. Would love to see Tim Allen in more videos.
I thought it was seriously hard to watch…
@@hangarsacto same here, I get the sense Jay can't stand him.
Tim’s honesty sure shines when he tries to recall details. What a great little car too.
Thanks Jay and team.
I could watch a weekly show with Tim and Jay all about cars.
That would be perfect.
Legends.
Binford as sponsor.
@@jameschristiansson3137don't forget Lisa and Heidi.
Tim Allen definitely needs the rehab on his public relations. Off camera I doubt Tim Allen has any Red Hats made in Chinurrrr Chinurrrr Chinurrrr. He was mostly likeable before the show went to the Tards of Trump-Putin.
I haven't seen Tim Allen in years and watching this is like seeing an old friend that is exactly the same as the last time you saw him
Hes genuine AF met him hella times at car shows remembers names and face
I had the pleasure of taking one of the 2 cars belonging to Ford Motor Co UK out for 1/2 hour alone. At the time the car was valued around £250,000. It was a real highlight of my life. Legendary car.
What a treat. Just like friends talking about a cool car. Tim is generous with his praise of Jay’s driving.
The chassis was designed by former Formula One designer Tony Southgate, and Ford's John Wheeler, a former F1 engineer, aided in early development. A double wishbone suspension setup with twin dampers on all four wheels aided handling and helped give the car what was often regarded as being the best balanced platform of any of the RS200's
lets not forget the Reliant built body!!!
The basic design was a known concept at the time - the small high-output turbo engine made the difference.
And kicking in at higher revs was typical for an 80ies turbo - turbine geometry couldn't be so precisely calculated - computers were still quite slow.
Wow, you can copy and paste too?
@@cjohnson9211 Excuse me - what exactly did I copy&paste?
But what will happen with cars over there now? Spray paint all the cameras?
These two together in the same room are great. Their dynamic is so good, going back and forth with jokes and facts. Please do some more content together.
Nice
facts, but only as far as they know...
wow dude you so right omg @@MichaelMboom
We need a show with these 2!
@@MichaelMboomnot Seinfeld. He's not a car guy, he just likes Porsche, it seems.
I worked for Essex Police (England) in the early 80s and the force had one of these gifted by Ford. It had police markings and had some low level lights on the roof. It certainly looked cool, however, the drivers could not handle the clutch in and around town and it didn't last long. Homologation required 200 of these to be built in order to classed as a production car. Good to see this on the road.
The ex Essex police car now resides in Australia
The Ford dealership in Batley West Yorkshire had one, it was basically "no sensible offer refused" - they literally could not sell it and the sticker price was like £22k or something.
It was in the showroom for EVER.
@@piccalillipit9211my brother had an ex police car not to long ago it was a cavalier 4x4 turbo and that was used by Northumbria police in the northeast of England
www.vitadistile.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/ford-rs200-police-car-uk.jpg look what he pulled!!! :)
Several Police regions liked to promote the idea that they had the fastest thing on the road so I can see them accepting the car as a PR / status symbol initially. We had several such cars in South Yorks including a Lotus Carlton which stood up most of the time and a de-badged RS500 Ford, close to the rally car.
Personally I liked the TWR fettled Rover 3500 V8 Vitesse with fuel injection, big brakes and a full air kit - they never disclosed the performance figures although it would do 68 MPH in second gear as it launched up the motorway slip road towards 155 when it went off the dial. Fairly close to the Tom Walkinshaw touring car I suspect, adjusted for the road and longevity, although we lost a few air dams over country road fresh air jumps on a shout.
Perhaps the shortest (period) vehicle we had was the less successful replacement offered by MGR - the Rover 800 1.8 Ti ... the K series engine with injection and a turbo. Unfortunately we managed to blow up two engines on the three test cars, during the Rover assessment day. No chance they would stand up to 24 hour response work.
The normally aspirated KV6 24 valve MG ZS with 200 BHP fettled by Pro Drive, again a touring car in essence, was much better by Rover although too small for patrol needs unfortunately.
Tim Allen was my favorite actor for a long time. It's awesome seeing that he's still doing good. Awesome video, awesome car.
Jay is such a legend for continuing to create and upload these videos.
Oil changes need to be paid 😂
Been watching him for years
@@edgardovigo147 He has more money than he could ever spend.
@@TheeGlocktopusare you aware of his hobby?! 😅
I would guess he makes alot of money. Plus he does enjoy it, it seems.
Two generational icons. I’m in my mid 30’s. I grew up watching Home Improvement and The Tonight Show. As a car enthusiast I have so much respect for Tim and Jay. Even as they age as we all will if we’re lucky. Just seeing them together like two pals talking about cars is so satisfying.
Obviously Tim Allen coming out of the MagaDump Bowel Movement. He's definitely not dumb enough to imagine Americans sway Trump-Putin.
Same here! Grew up watching home improvement love both these guys!
Right!! Couldn’t have said it better sir
Clarkson's review of this lunatic Brit monster was pretty revealing back in 2002, when you were in your mid-teens I guess.
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Respect for a guy who doesn't know the difference between Lotus and Cosworth?? I respect Tim as an entertainer who has resisted the hubris and urge to think his fame means he is entitled to lecture the rest of society, but as a car guy, this was pretty shocking to hear how such a supposed "car guy" really is actually clueless.
Ford Cosworth was a beast, every kid in UK wanted one.
We want Tim Allen again!
I remember as a kid thinking Tim Allen would be the coolest dad, and now I'm a grandfather myself. Time sure flies and so do these guys when they get a chance!
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Too bad Allen is such a tool
Too bad he is a trump supporter and thus is a traitor. Having quiet regrets after jan 6th is not enough to undo what he supported.
@@_PatrickOyou’re a traitor
@@RRC6490 Only a weirdo supports a man that helped push trump. You need to stop supporting the current russian attack on your military.
These things are lethal. The bodywork was built by Reliant, and Martin Schanche kept them very busy as he bounced around rally cross tracks.
Not in the city they're not
@@pixelnazgul the car that killed group B, after a driver lost control in Portugal and ploughed at over 100 mph in to a group of spectators, killing and seriously injuring so many. In group B spec, they had more power than an F1 car, and the chassis could not cope. The road going examples struggled to sell at a list price of £50000 when a recession hit, and they could only be used for rallycross. Clarkson infamously ditched a tuned road car due to the awful handling, light weight, and near 500 bhp from the 1.8 litre turbo.
@@martinbalmforth2665 Then remove the "spectators"
When it goes IT GOES! A REAL DRiVERS CAR..
@@landmonkey22drovers 🤣
I have this vision of Tim Allen only having American hotrods, so seeing him in his own Euro Ford RS200 just blows my mind.
Also, Lotus and Cosworth are connected because Lotus introduced the Ford Cosworth DFV engine in F1. However in this case it is all Cosworth, not Lotus.
Cosworth was created by 2 ex-Lotus engineering employees Mike Costin and Keith Duckworth hence the name Cosworth
The engine in this is a BDT, developed from the earlier BDA. The BDA had a block that was derived from the Ford Kent crossflow, the crossflow was the basis for the Lotus twin cam engine so there are DNA ties in these Lotus and Cosworth units.
Connection is the 2 cosworth guys worked for lotus but set up cosworth on the side which became the best engine makers in the world ever!!!
Jay’s honest love for vehicle engineering is awesome
Tim Allen and Leno in the same room, nothing can go wrong. 😆👍
These were the ultimate cars in Europe, along with the Delta S4, Peugeot 205 T16 and Metro 6R4. You can pretend with groupe A and N but these were the ultimate machines. The road versions had to be built to comply with regulations but heavily under tuned compared to the rally cars. Most were pushing out 500bhp weighing less than 900 Kgs. 0-60mph were less than 3 seconds. They were incredible.
I saw the Peugeot 205T16 in New Zealands rally I was 500 mtrs from the start and it sounded like an old MF tractor at idle and it screamed of the line and he used all 6 gears and past me in under 2 seconds. They eventually were pumping out over 1000 HP before group B was cancelled.
The Renault turbo 5 maxi too
wow you missed the Audi quattro
missed the Lancia 037 GrB too
@@lurch789huh? Escort Cosworth was just a re-bodied Sierra Cosworth, it wasn’t purpose built from the ground up to be a race car. RS200 Evo would annihilate an Escort Cosworth on any rally. Group B cars were banned because they were way too fast for rallying not because of any inherent issue with handling.
I went to watch a few stages of the British Lombard/RAC rally back in the 90’s and can tell you, it is like no other motor racing! Watching the Welsh forest stages in the snow was a great experience. The fans had to walk along the narrow dirt tracks that they actually raced on, to get to a decent spectator point. At the sound of the Marshall’s whistle, everybody would dive off the track into the ditches or trees, as you probably had about 10 seconds before a rally car would fly past you at over 100 mph! Looking back now it was incredibly dangerous, but tremendously thrilling. I still have a few photos from back then.
Also, on the drive home after the event, you would often be passed by the rally cars, as they had to drive on the road in between stages! That’s an experience you don’t get in F1!
The new rally1 cars are faster than the group B cars.
This is exactly why I like the European Fords. I used to read about this car in car magazines back in the day. Very cool. I saw one of these for sale on-line a few years ago. Thank you.
your welcome.
Tim is so passionate about the car. He talks about it like it’s a wife he’s been married to for 35 years. LOVES her but definitely knows her flaws and isn’t opposed to pointing them out, but loves her to death and APPRECIATES her. Meanwhile (especially for the first few minutes) Jay keeps his head high and doesn’t talk a lot. He’s FEELING the car and examining it like a physician conducting a physical on a patient. This is poetry. This could be a poem.
Definitely can’t remember her birthday either 😂
Pathetic car worship from two sad old men.
@@darahgardner-hickman3102😂👌
@@darahgardner-hickman3102 knows the month though
@@cggentry Maybe even the week. 😂
Really glad to see that jay’s doing better after the fire incident. I never was a big jay leno show fan but ever since he’s done these shows and I’ve seen him being himself and seeing his passion for cars It’s really humanized him for me. Either way I’m just glad he’s doing alright
I always watched letterman instead of Leno,but I did like his "funny headlines" bit, and have enjoyed watching him on YT showing off his impressive car collection/knowledge.
@@shivermetimbers9316 yeah I was the same, my parents always watched letterman and I really love going back and watching Carson on yt. But I’ve watched Leno’s garage on UA-cam for a while now. I love cars and you can see his passion for them. It would’ve sucked if the fire caused him to not beable to do this anymore or ptsd from the fire kept him on edge working on the cars.
I never thought the show was as good either, but you have to remember and think, would I want to go on-stage after the King?
@@kevincoleman4571 lol if I went on after Carson the show would’ve been canceled immediately 😂😂😂
my friends father Ken Johnson was a renowned used car salesman. his son painted restobugs, a pink soft top automatic still sits in Blodgettes. jay has always been a super decent guy. i was never a fan, but i was raised to know that he deserved my respect.
I love Jay's JCPenny's wardrobe he has every episode.
tim allen is amazing. so blessed to grow up around home improvement days. miss having tv like that for my kids.
My main take away was what great friends Jay and Allen are, loved to see that more than the awesome RS200, and that’s saying something! God bless ‘em both
Both comedians, both car guys, both the same age..
Really? My main take away is that Jay didn't really enjoy talking to Tim. When Jay looked at the camera and said "annoying pretty much sums it up." he wasn't talking about other customers, he was talking about Tim 😅
@@therealturbofanisme I guess you don't have any close friends with a sense of humor
@@petesmitt-yl1nx yea CV matching makes great friends 🤣
I love these two together! I wish Jay would have him on more!
ok
They need a frickin' show together
@@hchowkyno thanks
American top gear should’ve been Jay, Tim, and Jerry Seinfeld
I love both of these dudes, complete legends.....along with the RS200 of course
I love this cause it like when your grandpa and his buddies meet up with there classics and just talk
There chemistry and banter is perfect
I was lucky enough to have a father who owned an RS500 Cosworth. I know it's not the same car. But, all of those RS models were just nuts! It's still one of my favorite cars to this day.
Worth a lot now…
Watching those Group B cars like the Lancia S4, Peugeot 205 Turbo 16, Metro 6R4 back in the 80's was more exhilarating than just about anything except the turbo era of F1. Dazzling speed and danger. Thrilling. These RS200's are phenomenal looking cars even now.
There’s a great Group B documentary called Rallying The Killer Years on Prime. If you’re a fan of the cars you listed you will love the documentary 👍🏻
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There is nothing today that will give the same rush like group B
But the King of Group B was the Audi Sports Quattro. The 5 cylinders announced it from behind the corner, it jumped across and vanished while blewing off gasses thru the turbo😂
rally cross.. for me were big thing back then. rally cars/drivers actually racing each other in highly competitive events. martin schanke were the man. so incredibly skilled and pushed the car to the limit
Thanks again for taking the time to scour through countless videos! Enjoy it and brings back great memories!
So much respect for these two gentlemen, not only for their care culture inspiration, but their genuine household name presence for us who know
Can Tim be in every episode from now on? Love the banter between these two. 😂
Tim and Jay have awesome unique car collections. That RS200 is badass
@@lurch789 any machine that was built for group B is worthy of praise
Such a fantastic car. Tim was discussing the WRX Sti and they also suffer from the same thing, no real power until 3k-3500 rpms and then they kick. The turbo lag can be fixed with a tune, but higher rpms with lots of turns are where these cars shine.
I've got a '17 STi now, and it's not bad low down, but it absolutely comes alive and pulls like hell above 3k or so. Definitely a fun car! 🙂
Turbo lag is fun
Two of the best entertainment gentlemen in history, and they both love cars !!!
A Ford Escort rally car from Europe is a totally different car as the Ford Escort from America. The Ford Escort mk II RS 1800 is a rally car legend.
England.. A whole continent didn't make this
No such thing as a Mk1 RS1800. The RS1800 was the Mk2
Do you mean the Mk 1 RS1600?
No I ment the mkII RS1800@@amnril
@@timliston9450 ah fair enough, both cracking machines for their time.
Man the chemistry with those guys is dope, huge fan of them both! didn't know Tim was about that RS200 life lol
Had it for years has had videos of it on UA-cam for years should do more research on Tim allen bud
@@ricksanchez5696 noted smarty pants
I love these two together! I wish Jay would have him on more!....very good
The car, the footage, the commentary and the two hosts make this a very awesome video! A dream car!
Love the channel, and this has to be my favourite Group B car. Since I was a rally fan watching Group B cars in rallying an rallycross back when these cars were new, I might be able to clarify a couple of points: The twin coilover dampers at each corner were for, among other things, heat rejection - single dampers would overheat on long rough stages. The engine is a Ford BDT designed by Cosworth, and is not related to the Lotus Twin Cam. The road car clutch is a racing twin plate item because the homologation rules said you weren't allowed to fit a different clutch to go rallying, so every RS200 has a clutch that'll handle 550bhp. The tubular chassis was designed by Ford and isn't shared with any other car. The main reason it wasn't more successful in rallying against the Peugeot 205 T16 and Lancia Delta S4 was that it was late - Ford spent a long time working on a front-engined car for Group B (the Escort RS1700T), before canning that project and building the RS200. That gave the other manufacturers a 2 year head start on developing their cars.
I'd love to see the reaction of Americans to, say, a couple of Europeans being fairly clueless about some vintage Nascar racer .
@@spatchistYeah, except that Jay and Tim are carrying on and realize that they don't f'n know everything about 'em...😅
@spatchist And most Americans would actually want to help you know more about their sport, unlike snotty Europeans who laugh about people like a private joke...and will never explain it because they are the joke...
I agree. The RS200 is also my favourite Group B car. I have vivid memories of it in the RAC rally as a 7 year old and imagining my dad's Capri 2.8 injection was one. Gotta say that the Metro 6R4 is a very close second favourite. That V6 was awesome. I'd love to see Jay Leno in one of those.
To add another point, it was overweight. Despite having a higher minimum weight (due to engine displacement rules) it didn't get near the weight limit.
The Delta S4 for example had such a weight saving that the chassis ended weak and felt vague on tarmac.
Thats kinda the neat thing about Group B. Each car is a flawed beast.
Two legends. Almost feel like Americas uncles. We’re fixtures on tv the years I was growing up. Respect
Top notch USA 70yr old Uncles!
These two together on a car show is GOLD!!
the quirky zany one, and the quiet hyper knowledgeable one
This guys are so terrific together both are so passionate about the car
I could watch the Jay and Tim show daily! Cruising, eating at greasy spoons, car meetups and even grocery shopping! 🤣 God bless you two gear heads. Two of the best. 👍🏆🏆💯😎💪
seriously!!!!! We need that. Primetime TV, it would be amazing.
a new generation of Click and Clack; the Tappet Brothers.
@@itBchrisP Absolutely! It would be a huuuge hit!!! 🙌👍
@@bain19 Haha yes!!! 🙌👍
Def need more of this kinda collab
The dynamic between you two is hilarious, love this!
Absolutely love Tim Allen, legend!
For those not aware after the instant ban on group B a lot of the group b rally cars spent many years competing in rallycross in the UK and Europe.
martin schanche and his RS200 is legendary for his battles with will gollop in his group b metro 6r4
Towards the end these cars where putting out 900bhp/tonne on a dirt course! In the early 90s😮
Many videos are still available on UA-cam.
It is without doubt the most exciting racing I have ever seen.
I love watching Tim and Jay just talk to each other about cars. I could watch this every week. Please make them into a show!
two 70 year old Uncles reminiscing the 80s..
Growing up in a rallying family, I have a certain place in my heart for the old rallycars. The ingenuity of the different companies and teams, using rules in a way thats not possible today. And especially Group B, those guys were insane
Thanks Jay. This thing was like the golden unicorn when I was a boy.
I love how Jay never ever shifts, just cruise around at redline everywhere. Lmao
I had a Matchbox RS200 as a little kid and it always rolled better than the others, so it became my favorite. It lived at my grandmother's house. As an adult I looked up what it was and was stunned to find that the real thing was just as cool as the toy, and it's still my favorite. Hit the lotto tomorrow and that's the first thing I'm buying.
Me too, two of them actually, a white one with blue stripes and a blue one with white stripes.
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i'm 51 and i still got a matchbox RS200 😋
None of my Matchbox cars ever survived; the Hot Wheels did. Man, Hot Wheels used to make the best miniature replicas -- before they went wacky. All of their real-life replicas were too sweet.
Raptor R for me followed by a Ferrari Purosangue.
I’m six two and tried to get into a Lotus Esprit when I was 18 and it didn’t go well. I was fairly lean at 185 lbs. (1985)
I have not become smaller or more bendy since then. 😂😂
I like the Ferrari V-12 touring cars. 550, 575, 599, GTC4LUSSO. I actually can get in and out of them and they are comfortable.
I believe this is the same car that a neighbor had in Aurora Colorado... and Tim being from Colorado... love seeing him pull it out of the garage and giving us a show... loved it so much I ended buying a Merkur XR4Ti... fun car head turning everywhere i went.. did a very expensive and tedious 5.0 swap.. and lasted a year or so... SOLD it...😢... went to the USMC... just started looking for another this year
Im 36 and grew up watching both these guys, i love this video as a car guy myself and would love to see more of them together.❤❤❤❤
Not only is it surprising to see Tim Allen own this beast of a car, it's refreshing to see him so enthusiastically talking about the car too
It's really a Binford 8100, he just won't say it ;)
Tim is almost as big a car guy as Jay, his collection is incredible.
@@beeawesome7140 A big difference is the Jay understands what he has and in most cases how it works. Tim... not so much.
@@brianb-p6586Pretty sure Tim Allen was high as a kite the whole time. Jay partaking at the end of the video. Proof Tim Allen was obeying show producers to pretend to be a Trumptard.
@@Greg-io1ip I've seen Tim Allen talking about cars before, and he was just as clueless.
A proper Great British Ford. Love it!!
@@lurch789built in England mate!
@@lurch789not to mention it was designed by people who worked for Lotus and Aston Martin.
It was built for Ford UK.
Nothing German about it
My parents neighbor had one of these during my whole childhood. I loved when his garage door opened and he pulled that car out. I loved it as a kid. Love it even more as an adult. He said he was taking it to auction and I asked if I could buy it instead. He knew that I had no idea what it was worth. He got over $200k for it, whereas I had about $15k to spend on a vehicle haha
I remember seeing 1 of these at a lotus club day in NZ , I had never seen something go so fast so easily, it was a road course they had closed off, put plastic barriers up to slow the cars on the straights, the speed this thing when through the barriers was unbelievable, my brother had a lancia integrale 16v and it made it look like it was standing still.....
I’m in my fifties and from the UK. My dad took me to Group B rally events when I was a teenager, the years from 84 to 86 were just unbelievable, the RS200 was late to the game, the 205T16 Tim mentioned & Sport Quattro were the ones for the fanboys. We kept away from the side of the road but even a long way back you’d be showered with gravel. The Lombard RAC rally often passed near my home in the UK. I once heard someone ask why so many top drivers were Scandinavian - the answer was that at those speeds everything is like driving on ice!
the scandinavian driving tests are also pretty gnarly they have to learn a lot of stuff that we dont
Great times I'm 45 and remember my dad taking me to the chatsworth stages remember all the group b cars spitting flames was around 8 years old at the time and I'll never forget it
Why didn't your fathers love you?
Tim Allen is the man and his RS200 is insanely clean! Love it! He's really a car dude.
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Honestly? If Jay and Tim ever decided to do a light-hearted car-centric show together on UA-cam? They'd rule the planet! ♥️♥️♥️
My respect for Tim Allen just drastically increased. Hearing an American just 'get it' when it comes to the art of how we Brit's make rally cars is awesome. I bet he would love the Tourist Trophy races and how we approach that too.
TTs are amazing - my faves being the Isle of Mann moto race, and the historic TT at Goodwood, thrashing priceless Ferrari GTOs and D-type Jags around the track.
Keep in mind the English are the largest ethnic group in the US
@@jesusmaryandjoseph6 I think he means in a civic perspective, not ethnic
I've always been enamored by TVRs and wish we got them in the states. They're some of my favorite cars. 90s Lotus too. Love British cars to death.
I like how Tim Allen is getting into new things. He's an old school, V8, blower motor type of guy ("more power!"), but you can tell he's getting into smaller displacement, turbo cars. I think that's badass! Car guys should be all-inclusive!
I love these two 😅. Unlike many rich people who simply buy cars because they can, or for show, these two seem like legitimate car guys that got lucky and made it, and now they’re doing what they really love
I find their conversations absolutely fascinating.
Love this car, Tim Allen has awesome taste
Two of my favorite people together! Love it when these two get together and entertain us. I really have to meet them and shake their hands to thank them one day.
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If it was allowed here it would have been great to see the unedited/uncut version, because Tim and Jay in a car together would have been over 12hr of recording and the jokes these two have, its great to see them and the fun they have, they are such great friends.
Also its a great car too :)
Haha, this reminds me of the MR2 I had with the stage 2 unsprung clutch. Pressing it felt like you were at the gym, but from nothing to engagement was about 2mm, so you had to be both really careful and hard with it. Miss these little race cars, so much character and so fun
I love these two together! It’s like watching my two uncles go back and forth!
The RS200 is a totally insane vehicle. Ken Brock had one and cranked up the boost. Group B was berserk and absolutely bonkers
These two guys will always be legends of my childhood!!❤
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Awesome to see them both together
Jay and Tim are always so much fun to watch together. You can see the friendship between them runs long and deep. Two comedians just bantering back and forth, pure gold. The RS200 is an absolute legend of a car, it's such a pity it's overshadowed by tragedy.
OMG OMG OMG Tim Allen has an RS200? This is gonna be awesome!
What an awesome thing to behold, an RS200 in the US. Props to Tim for having the balls.
It does dismay me watching to find out how very little both guys know about such a vehicle. A bit of research would’ve been very helpful beforehand.
...or, if you know anything about Tim and Jay, you'd realize that they are practically trolling all of the rally nerds...they've done the same thing about all racing series...
@@sykwookiee well the fact Jay couldn’t even explain a racing clutch greatly surprised me. I did think he was a knowledgeable guy. Maybe just his knowledge base is more general…
most americans only know about Subaru as a brand linked with ralllying lol even then the car was mostly prodrive
@@hassyg4083Most Americans know Subaru as a brand linked with dogs and hiking...
@@hassyg4083crazy how none of that is true 😂
Watched a few WRC stages when I lived in the midlands/north of England, pretty amazing IRL. Cool thing at the time was they used to drive between stages on regular roads so there were a couple of occasions where I lined up at the lights with a rally car next to me lol.
Thanks for the video. It wasn't just the Ford accidents that led to a ban and withdrawal of the Group B series. Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile (FIA) had promoted with little regulation a rally series which was out of control in terms of open ended development, cost and lack of safety for competitors and spectators. By 1986 the Group B cars were largely a fuel tank on wheels, fibre glass, aluminium chassis, little bracing and incredibly quick kit cars - great you might say, except these cars were not on a flat, perfect tarmac Formula one circuit with emergency service vehicles and ambulance helicopters every 100 feet. Instead they were hurtling down remote forest tracks, gravel canyons and ice covered roads at +100 MPH.
In hindsight, this was completely insane and death waiting to happen, and it came with FIA initially slow to react. The final straw came when Henry Toivonen and his co-driver Sergio Cresto were incinerated in their seats when they left the road during the Tour de Corse on the island of Corsica. The car exploded and by the time anyone got to it there was little left, the vehicle so flammable that it literally went up in flames. In minutes.
What made this worse was that Toivonen himself and several other drivers had been complaining for a good deal of time that the vehicles and series were unsafe although such was the contractural, media and revenue pressure that no one in charge was listening.
Henry's last public statement was reported as: "Today, we have driven more than the whole distance of the 1000 Lakes Rally (Finnish Rally). After 4 hours of driving - it's hard to keep up with the speed. So, with a modern car like this, it's just impossible to race here. It's physically exhausting and the brains can't keep up with it anymore."
As stated insane. Many people died as a result including children. Not motoring's finest hour. RIP.
It was good to see Tim, its been awhile. Jay brother, I'm 39 and I have to say that you and Tim have probably been the biggest car mentors or enthusiasts that put the automotive passion in me. Time flies its hard to believe its been this many years. A lot has changed. It was good to see you two in front of the camera together again.
Been rewatching home improvement the last week or so and all the eps with jay not surprised they did another episode together Tim's the man if you havent seen them yet watch crazy on the outside and big trouble ..miss the 90s so much always makes me happy to see the tool man
This is one of the best episodes ever. Two guys hanging out and going for a drive, someone just filmed it.
These two motor heads are truly magnificent together.... we want more.... what if they rebuilt/customized a car as a joint effort... Amazing.... Thanks Guys!!!
One of my favorite cars from my childhood.
I'm amazed at how modern this car still looks nearly 40 years after it came out. Came out unfortunately just before Group B got banned, but one wonders how successful it would have been had it campaigned a bit longer.
RS200 is still one of my all time faves. Just love the heck out of it. Great to see it in action!
Ive bumped into Tim at Sofi and had a quick chat about the game. Dude is as down to earth as it gets.
Tim & Jay need their own show…they are so at ease with each other…love the quirky conversations.