African Bishops in general are upright, brave men. Many of them have been dealing with life threatening situations during their whole lives, even ready for martyrdom without ever showing a sign of fear or weakness in their faith. That's why their whole congregations loves and respect them. It would be a blessing for the Church to have one of those brave men as a Pope, like a fearless lion eager to give his life for his family.
This is very strange! Because if the gay couple is on the mass, when the priest give the blessing in the end, this bless will bless that couple! And the document doesn't ask for the identification of the ones wanting blessing. And the couple doesn't need to declare that it is same sex!!! Rotten excuse of some African bishops!!!!!!!
Here's is the biggest problem with this as a priest: If you bless them and you do not lead them to repentance, then you have led them astray and are guilty yourself. You will have legitimized their abomination
Exactly. The Bible is VERY explicit in both new and old testaments that homosexuality is a mortal sin that leads to hell. If priests start to affirm this sin, the priests will be committing the true act of evil.
Really? I have people come up for a blessing each and every Mass. They don't receive Jesus because they are in irregular unions. Is blessing them leading them astray? Am I guilty of legitimizing their irregular relationship?
Maybe you are deacon.... maybe you are. You best hope that you are doing God's will and not your own. Satan is very crafty and will easily trick you. God is very specific on how He feels about homosexuality
If they are not trying to turn away from this “irregular” sin, which means they stop living together and become celibate and they are continually asking for a blessing then yes you are guilty of legitimizing their sin.
Do the document ask for identification of moral status? So if a couple of a man a and a woman asks for the blessing, the priest will ask for their moral ID? Don't make me laugh. The church is blessing them for ages, just if they go to a mass and wait for the final blessing! And if a homo couple do the same? Will you ask for their status? WE are seeing the birth of new Lutrhers, that know more than the Pope. And more, for what we are seeing, looks like there is a huge line of same sex couples asking for this blessing. I don't see any.
The Bishops in Africa make it simple ! No confusion! They help us understand blessing people without blessing sinful behavior! Follow our African leaders !
So does Fiducia Supplicans in paragraph 5. DICASTERY FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH Declaration Fiducia Supplicans On the Pastoral Meaning of Blessings 5. This is also the understanding of marriage that is offered by the Gospel. For this reason, when it comes to blessings, the Church has the right and the duty to avoid any rite that might contradict this conviction or lead to confusion. Such is also the meaning of the Responsum of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which states that the Church does not have the power to impart blessings on unions of persons of the same sex.
Oh Fr. Mark. Prayers for clarity 🙏 prayers for you and the flock you are guiding. Please cling to the Good Shepherd. We the sheep need strong clear voices. We want to be led to green pastures and eternal life...be strong for us and don't lead the sheep astray🙏
Fr Mark does have a clear strong voice. Can't you see that he is not afraid of the truth even though he is getting persecuted by people commenting against him. It looks like he knows the faith quite well and he knows that going against the Magesterium is a grave sin. The Document is perfectly fine and the Magesterium cannot error. It is comments like yours who are leading people astray.
@@ClaymanS people commenting that Fr Mark needs prayers because there is something wrong with him etc is persecution because he is getting falsley accused for being mentally sick all for speaking the truth about the Catholic faith.
This breaks my heart, Father. I cannot give it a thumbs up and haven’t in the last few videos. The brave African bishops are speaking truth, not out of fear from their government, but out of love of God’s word. I pray for you.
Same here, I can't give him a thumbs up. Ever since I started listening to Fr Mark I would immediately give him a thumbs up just as the videos would begin. But ever since he started defending this document I just can't. We will continue praying for him.
Strive1974 - Fr. Mark is a holy priest and he is trying to look at the document from a different perspective trying not to contradict it. He is not faking it, I really believe that if he didn't agree with it, he would not only tell us but he would also do what many other priest may be afraid to try. He believes what he is saying, on the other hand the African Bishop is stating his opinion also knowing how some bishops, cardinal operate as he probably has met many of them. But both are right and yet they have different opinions. Issues in the Church are complicated that is why the Vatican has to be very carful when trying to introduce things that are questionable. And it seems that a lot of stuff is Comming out that is completely outrageous. I was a defender of the Vatican in the past. Unfortunately I can no longer defend them, after all these controversial issues. And the "surprises" that "the Holy Spirit" may bring us. Enough is enough.
✝️❤️🔥 Saint Augustine cautioned, "Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it. As a shepherd of the flock, do not shy away from confronting wrong." ✝️✝️✝️❤️
The magisterium (consisting of both the extraordinary magisterium and the ordinary magisterium) is explicit that Catholics MUST ascent to it - we aren’t Protestants who pick and chose what we ascent to! Do you trust Pope Pius X words? In praestantia scripturae (on the Bible against modernists) “Wherefore we find it necessary to declare and to expressly prescribe, and by this our act *we do declare and decree that all are bound in conscience to submit to the decisions of the Biblical Commission relating to doctrine, which have been given in the past and which shall be given in the future, in the same way as to the decrees of the Roman congregations approved by the Pontiff;* nor can all those escape the note of disobedience or temerity, and consequently of grave sin, who in speech or writing contradict such decisions, and this besides the scandal they give and the other reasons for which they may be responsible before God for other temerities and errors which generally go with such contradictions.” Fiducia Supplicans is from a Roman congregation approved by the Pope. St. Pope Pius X is clear when he wrote: “all are bound in conscience to submit to the decisions of the Biblical Commission relating to doctrine, which have been given in the past and which shall be given in the future, in the same way as to the decrees of the Roman congregations approved by the Pontiff” St. Pope Pius X then goes on to say about those who deny them, refuse to ascent to them or try to contradict them such as dissenting from them: “nor can all those escape the note of disobedience or temerity, and consequently of grave sin, who in speech or writing contradict such decisions, and this besides the scandal they give and the other reasons for which they may be responsible before God for other temerities and errors which generally go with such contradictions.” Humanae Generis from Pope Pius XII magisterium: *”20. Nor must it be thought that what is expounded in Encyclical Letters does not of itself demand consent, since in writing such Letters the Popes do not exercise the supreme power of their Teaching Authority. For these matters are taught with the ordinary teaching authority, of which it is true to say: "He who heareth you, heareth me";[3] and generally what is expounded and inculcated in Encyclical Letters already for other reasons appertains to Catholic doctrine. But if the Supreme Pontiffs in their official documents purposely pass judgment on a matter up to that time under dispute, it is obvious that that matter, according to the mind and will of the Pontiffs, cannot be any longer considered a question open to discussion among theologians.”* “21. It is also true that theologians must always return to the sources of divine revelation: for it belongs to them to point out how the doctrine of the living Teaching Authority is to be found either explicitly or implicitly in the Scriptures and in Tradition.[4] Besides, each source of divinely revealed doctrine contains so many rich treasures of truth, that they can really never be exhausted. Hence it is that theology through the study of its sacred sources remains ever fresh; on the other hand, speculation which neglects a deeper search into the deposit of faith, proves sterile, as we know from experience. But for this reason even positive theology cannot be on a par with merely historical science. For, together with the sources of positive theology God has given to His Church a living Teaching Authority to elucidate and explain what is contained in the deposit of faith only obscurely and implicitly. This deposit of faith our Divine Redeemer has given for authentic interpretation not to each of the faithful, not even to theologians, but only to the Teaching Authority of the Church. But if the Church does exercise this function of teaching, as she often has through the centuries, either in the ordinary or in the extraordinary way, it is clear how false is a procedure which would attempt to explain what is clear by means of what is obscure. Indeed, the very opposite procedure must be used. Hence Our Predecessor of immortal memory, Pius IX, teaching that the most noble office of theology is to show how a doctrine defined by the Church is contained in the sources of revelation, added these words, and with very good reason: "in that sense in which it has been defined by the Church."” *”27. Some say they are not bound by the doctrine, explained in Our Encyclical Letter of a few years ago, and based on the Sources of Revelation, which teaches that the Mystical Body of Christ and the Roman Catholic Church are one and the same thing.[6] Some reduce to a meaningless formula the necessity of belonging to the true Church in order to gain eternal salvation. Others finally belittle the reasonable character of the credibility of Christian faith.”* - here it says you are bound by what is taught in encyclical letters.
Donum Veritatis also confirmed this: “17. Divine assistance is also given to the successors of the apostles teaching in communion with the successor of Peter, and *in a particular way, to the Roman Pontiff as Pastor of the whole Church, when exercising their ordinary Magisterium, even should this not issue in an infallible definition or in a "definitive" pronouncement but in the proposal of some teaching which leads to a better understanding of Revelation in matters of faith and morals and to moral directives derived from such teaching.* One must therefore take into account the proper character of every exercise of the Magisterium, considering the extent to which its authority is engaged. It is also to be borne in mind that all acts of the Magisterium derive from the same source, that is, from Christ who desires that His People walk in the entire truth. For this same reason, *magisterial decisions in matters of discipline, even if they are not guaranteed by the charism of infallibility, are not without divine assistance and call for the adherence of the faithful.* *18. The Roman Pontiff fulfills his universal mission with the help of the various bodies of the Roman Curia and in particular with that of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in matters of doctrine and morals. Consequently, the documents issued by this Congregation expressly approved by the Pope participate in the ordinary magisterium of the successor of Peter.(18”* “23. When the Magisterium of the Church makes an infallible pronouncement and solemnly declares that a teaching is found in Revelation, the assent called for is that of theological faith. *This kind of adherence is to be given even to the teaching of the ordinary and universal Magisterium when it proposes for belief a teaching of faith as divinely revealed.* When the Magisterium proposes "in a definitive way" truths concerning faith and morals, which, even if not divinely revealed, are nevertheless strictly and intimately connected with Revelation, these must be firmly accepted and held.(22) *When the Magisterium, not intending to act "definitively", teaches a doctrine to aid a better understanding of Revelation and make explicit its contents, or to recall how some teaching is in conformity with the truths of faith, or finally to guard against ideas that are incompatible with these truths, the response called for is that of the religious submission of will and intellect.(23)* This kind of response cannot be simply exterior or disciplinary but must be understood within the logic of faith and under the impulse of obedience to the faith.” It goes on to speak of dissent: “33. Dissent has different aspects. In its most radical form, it aims at changing the Church following a model of protest which takes its inspiration from political society. More frequently, it is asserted that the theologian is not bound to adhere to any Magisterial teaching unless it is infallible. Thus a Kind of theological positivism is adopted, according to which, doctrines proposed without exercise of the charism of infallibility are said to have no obligatory character about them, leaving the individual completely at liberty to adhere to them or not. The theologian would accordingly be totally free to raise doubts or reject the non-infallible teaching of the Magisterium particularly in the case of specific moral norms. With such critical opposition, he would even be making a contribution to the development of doctrine.” - you don't get to ignore the ordinary magisterium and claim you can pick and choose what documents you hold to. To do such a thing is to no longer hold to tradition. Again Pope Pius X and Pope Pius XII in addition to Donum Veritatis said it is a grave matter/sin to do so and you are not allowed. Go back to paragraph 30 to see what it says in cases where theologians have difficulty with a document: “30. If, despite a loyal effort on the theologian's part, the difficulties persist, the theologian has the duty to make known to the Magisterial authorities the problems raised by the teaching in itself, in the arguments proposed to justify it, or even in the manner in which it is presented. He should do this in an evangelical spirit and with a profound desire to resolve the difficulties. His objections could then contribute to real progress and provide a stimulus to the Magisterium to propose the teaching of the Church in greater depth and with a clearer presentation of the arguments. In cases like these, the theologian should avoid turning to the "mass media", but have recourse to the responsible authority, for it is not by seeking to exert the pressure of public opinion that one contributes to the clarification of doctrinal issues and renders servite to the truth.” - note that going to social media is not how their concerns are to be addressed so every theologian and self professed theologian that does this is openly and publically dissenting thus committing a grave matter/sin. To claim you don't have to ascent to a teaching from the ordinary magisterium due to not being infallibly taught is dissent which is a grave matter - this is unanimously taught amount the manulalists and Vatican II confirms it in its acts.
Imagine if St Ambrose never forgave St. Augustine.. St Augustine would be the first ro thank God for his mercy when he was living his incredibly sinful lifestyle. Praise God for his mercy abounds!
@@irishandscottish1829 I think you are absolutely right, but I fear many Catholics have fallen into what Pope Benedict XVI called the "supreme magisterium of conscience in opposition to the Magisterium to the Church," in Donum Veritatis
Stop the narrative. That is not the blessing that is discussed in the document. It talks about blessing irregular unions, gay people don't go to church holding hands and kissing after the blessing. A priest that goes out to the private sector is to bless a union/couple, and those are hypocrites of the church and don't believe. Otherwise, they would fear God for wrongdoing and won't do the blessing of active sinners. Love to see how some try deceiving us with vague ideas, examples that don't apply to the intent of the Pope and Fernandez. The Bible is clear, I think Bergolio is not listening to the Holy Spirit, cause such wouldn't contradict what is written, I believe he is listening to the devil himself. Remember what Jesus said, there will be false prophets, stay away.
❤ Matthew 6:24. "No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other." The African bishops are correct
The African Bishops should know Catholics must ascent to the ordinary magisterium - if they don’t they shouldn’t be Bishops. Do you trust Pope Pius X words? In praestantia scripturae (on the Bible against modernists) “Wherefore we find it necessary to declare and to expressly prescribe, and by this our act *we do declare and decree that all are bound in conscience to submit to the decisions of the Biblical Commission relating to doctrine, which have been given in the past and which shall be given in the future, in the same way as to the decrees of the Roman congregations approved by the Pontiff;* nor can all those escape the note of disobedience or temerity, and consequently of grave sin, who in speech or writing contradict such decisions, and this besides the scandal they give and the other reasons for which they may be responsible before God for other temerities and errors which generally go with such contradictions.” Fiducia Supplicans is from a Roman congregation approved by the Pope. St. Pope Pius X is clear when he wrote: “all are bound in conscience to submit to the decisions of the Biblical Commission relating to doctrine, which have been given in the past and which shall be given in the future, in the same way as to the decrees of the Roman congregations approved by the Pontiff” St. Pope Pius X then goes on to say about those who deny them, refuse to ascent to them or try to contradict them such as dissenting from them: “nor can all those escape the note of disobedience or temerity, and consequently of grave sin, who in speech or writing contradict such decisions, and this besides the scandal they give and the other reasons for which they may be responsible before God for other temerities and errors which generally go with such contradictions.” Humanae Generis from Pope Pius XII magisterium: *”20. Nor must it be thought that what is expounded in Encyclical Letters does not of itself demand consent, since in writing such Letters the Popes do not exercise the supreme power of their Teaching Authority. For these matters are taught with the ordinary teaching authority, of which it is true to say: "He who heareth you, heareth me";[3] and generally what is expounded and inculcated in Encyclical Letters already for other reasons appertains to Catholic doctrine. But if the Supreme Pontiffs in their official documents purposely pass judgment on a matter up to that time under dispute, it is obvious that that matter, according to the mind and will of the Pontiffs, cannot be any longer considered a question open to discussion among theologians.”* “21. It is also true that theologians must always return to the sources of divine revelation: for it belongs to them to point out how the doctrine of the living Teaching Authority is to be found either explicitly or implicitly in the Scriptures and in Tradition.[4] Besides, each source of divinely revealed doctrine contains so many rich treasures of truth, that they can really never be exhausted. Hence it is that theology through the study of its sacred sources remains ever fresh; on the other hand, speculation which neglects a deeper search into the deposit of faith, proves sterile, as we know from experience. But for this reason even positive theology cannot be on a par with merely historical science. For, together with the sources of positive theology God has given to His Church a living Teaching Authority to elucidate and explain what is contained in the deposit of faith only obscurely and implicitly. This deposit of faith our Divine Redeemer has given for authentic interpretation not to each of the faithful, not even to theologians, but only to the Teaching Authority of the Church. But if the Church does exercise this function of teaching, as she often has through the centuries, either in the ordinary or in the extraordinary way, it is clear how false is a procedure which would attempt to explain what is clear by means of what is obscure. Indeed, the very opposite procedure must be used. Hence Our Predecessor of immortal memory, Pius IX, teaching that the most noble office of theology is to show how a doctrine defined by the Church is contained in the sources of revelation, added these words, and with very good reason: "in that sense in which it has been defined by the Church."” *”27. Some say they are not bound by the doctrine, explained in Our Encyclical Letter of a few years ago, and based on the Sources of Revelation, which teaches that the Mystical Body of Christ and the Roman Catholic Church are one and the same thing.[6] Some reduce to a meaningless formula the necessity of belonging to the true Church in order to gain eternal salvation. Others finally belittle the reasonable character of the credibility of Christian faith.”* - here it says you are bound by what is taught in encyclical letters.
Donum Veritatis also confirmed this: “17. Divine assistance is also given to the successors of the apostles teaching in communion with the successor of Peter, and *in a particular way, to the Roman Pontiff as Pastor of the whole Church, when exercising their ordinary Magisterium, even should this not issue in an infallible definition or in a "definitive" pronouncement but in the proposal of some teaching which leads to a better understanding of Revelation in matters of faith and morals and to moral directives derived from such teaching.* One must therefore take into account the proper character of every exercise of the Magisterium, considering the extent to which its authority is engaged. It is also to be borne in mind that all acts of the Magisterium derive from the same source, that is, from Christ who desires that His People walk in the entire truth. For this same reason, *magisterial decisions in matters of discipline, even if they are not guaranteed by the charism of infallibility, are not without divine assistance and call for the adherence of the faithful.* *18. The Roman Pontiff fulfills his universal mission with the help of the various bodies of the Roman Curia and in particular with that of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in matters of doctrine and morals. Consequently, the documents issued by this Congregation expressly approved by the Pope participate in the ordinary magisterium of the successor of Peter.(18”* “23. When the Magisterium of the Church makes an infallible pronouncement and solemnly declares that a teaching is found in Revelation, the assent called for is that of theological faith. *This kind of adherence is to be given even to the teaching of the ordinary and universal Magisterium when it proposes for belief a teaching of faith as divinely revealed.* When the Magisterium proposes "in a definitive way" truths concerning faith and morals, which, even if not divinely revealed, are nevertheless strictly and intimately connected with Revelation, these must be firmly accepted and held.(22) *When the Magisterium, not intending to act "definitively", teaches a doctrine to aid a better understanding of Revelation and make explicit its contents, or to recall how some teaching is in conformity with the truths of faith, or finally to guard against ideas that are incompatible with these truths, the response called for is that of the religious submission of will and intellect.(23)* This kind of response cannot be simply exterior or disciplinary but must be understood within the logic of faith and under the impulse of obedience to the faith.” It goes on to speak of dissent: “33. Dissent has different aspects. In its most radical form, it aims at changing the Church following a model of protest which takes its inspiration from political society. More frequently, it is asserted that the theologian is not bound to adhere to any Magisterial teaching unless it is infallible. Thus a Kind of theological positivism is adopted, according to which, doctrines proposed without exercise of the charism of infallibility are said to have no obligatory character about them, leaving the individual completely at liberty to adhere to them or not. The theologian would accordingly be totally free to raise doubts or reject the non-infallible teaching of the Magisterium particularly in the case of specific moral norms. With such critical opposition, he would even be making a contribution to the development of doctrine.” - you don't get to ignore the ordinary magisterium and claim you can pick and choose what documents you hold to. To do such a thing is to no longer hold to tradition. Again Pope Pius X and Pope Pius XII in addition to Donum Veritatis said it is a grave matter/sin to do so and you are not allowed. Go back to paragraph 30 to see what it says in cases where theologians have difficulty with a document: “30. If, despite a loyal effort on the theologian's part, the difficulties persist, the theologian has the duty to make known to the Magisterial authorities the problems raised by the teaching in itself, in the arguments proposed to justify it, or even in the manner in which it is presented. He should do this in an evangelical spirit and with a profound desire to resolve the difficulties. His objections could then contribute to real progress and provide a stimulus to the Magisterium to propose the teaching of the Church in greater depth and with a clearer presentation of the arguments. In cases like these, the theologian should avoid turning to the "mass media", but have recourse to the responsible authority, for it is not by seeking to exert the pressure of public opinion that one contributes to the clarification of doctrinal issues and renders servite to the truth.” - note that going to social media is not how their concerns are to be addressed so every theologian and self professed theologian that does this is openly and publically dissenting thus committing a grave matter/sin. To claim you don't have to ascent to a teaching from the ordinary magisterium due to not being infallibly taught is dissent which is a grave matter - this is unanimously taught amount the manulalists and Vatican II confirms it in its acts.
Psalm 1:1-2 Blessed is the man who walks not in the counsel of the wicked, nor stands in the way of sinners, nor sits in the seat of scoffers; but his delight is in the law of the Lord, and on his law he meditates day and night.
Yes, follow the pope. even if he's showing he is a false pope. No thanks, I'll follow Jesus and this pope like other false popes is showing he's following the devil more than Jesus. Jesus would never have allowed homosexuals to become priests and now the church is reaping " what it has sown." But it is all good because this division is serving a purpose, showing who the true Christians are.
Dear@@juryklymko703, please don't play the "Jesus would never [fill in the blank] game. Look instead at what He did do. The cardinal electors prayed for God to show His Will as they dropped the ballots in the box to elect the new pope in 2013. Pope Francis does not need to be your choice. He was God's choice. Let us make the best of him until God gives us another pope. Love him. Pray for him. And when he is trying to close down the liberal bishops, don't keep handing the victory to the liberals by saying "the pope is blessing same-sex UNIONS." If the pope wanted same-sex unions, he had only to let the German Synodal Way HAVE their way, instead of doing everything possible to shut them down.
@@2Hosea "Therefore, rites and prayers that could create confusion between what constitutes marriage-which is the 'exclusive, stable, and indissoluble union between a man and a woman, naturally open to the generation of children'-and what contradicts it are inadmissible. This conviction is grounded in the perennial Catholic doctrine of marriage; it is only in this context that sexual relations find their natural, proper, and fully human meaning. The Church’s doctrine on this point remains firm" (para 4). "Such is also the meaning of the Responsum of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which states that the Church does not have the power to impart blessings on unions of persons of the same sex" (para 5). The document is clear that the sinful union is not to be blessed. Rather, sinners (even two sinners coming together) seeking God's mercy and grace to live a holier life should not be denied a blessing to do so.
Dear@@johne2815, exactly!! So many people think they are defying the Magisterial Declaration, when they totally agree with it! It is so surprising to me how they prefer to live in fear and anger, instead of realizing that the pope is protecting us from falling into the same sad state as our faithful Catholic brothers and sisters in Germany and Belgium are in!
I stand with the African bishops. I also remember reading Sodom and Gomorrah in the Old Testament. I believe what God says is the truth. Praying for you Father Goring.
I think you have missed the point. Fr. Goring has the heart of a priest, the Heart of Christ, Spontaneous blessings are for the purpose of speaking the Name of Jesus over those who need the mercy of God. They do not affirm sinful behavior. But what happened to us Catholics that we can hear the words of the Magisterium -- the words approved by the visible Head of the Church, to whom the True Head of the Church Jesus Christ has given all authority to teach and to guide the Church -- and we, who call ourselves "Catholics", raise OBJECTIONS? That has NEVER been the way of the Catholic Church! Catholics TRUST JESUS to protect HIS Church. Jesus spoke the Truth when He said that the gates of Hell would never prevail over His Church.
A speech by the Catholic Bishop, Martin Anwel Mtumbuka of Africa, makes clear the objection to Fiducia Supplicans is not a matter of expedience. Instead this bishop asserts that the blessing of a couple in a sinful relationship is heretical. He is not alone in this oppinion. His speach is available on this platform under the title, "Hurt Scandal & Heresy Bishop Martin Adwel Mtumbuka rejecting Fiducia Supplicans."
It is sacrilege for a priest to bless a homosexual couple unless they are persenting themselves for conversion that includes a repentance of their sinful lifestle and renunciation any worldly ideological commitments. They must also ask for the grace of celibate chastity and resolve to remove any near occasions of sin (which may require moving out and not living together). Only under these conditions can a blessing be offered for their relationship. Like blessing an AA member and his sponsor-sober and determined mutual support for a new life that puts the past behind.
Father Mark Goring has made it clear that he is no longer Catholic but a mouth-piece for the New Francis Agenda. All of us offering him correction need to UNSUBSCRIBE from his channel IMMEDIATELY! His double speak and popesplaining is leading many into schism.
You don't want to stand with the Church and her legitimate authority on this matter? The Vatican has spoken true and clear. Now you either side with the Church or you don't.
St. John Vianney did work day and night to do God's holy will, AND in keeping with God's will he was obedient to his superiors (his bishops and the Supreme Pontiff). "That this full obedience of his [St. John Vianney] to the commands of his superiors rested on supernatural principles; in acknowledging and duly obeying ecclesiastical authority, he was paying the homage of faith to the words of Christ the Lord as He told His Apostles "He who hears you, hears me." (43) To conform himself faithfully to the will of his superiors he habitually restrained his own will, whether in accepting the holy burdens of hearing Confessions, or in performing zealously for his colleagues in the apostolate such work as would produce richer and more saving fruits." (SACERDOTII NOSTRI PRIMORDIA, Ph 29). Perhaps we could learn something about obedience from St. Vianney following the declaration of Fiducia supplicans.
African bishops are saying no blessing to sin no, no blessing because it is against legislation. There is also difference between blessing sinful as couple and blessing sinful in the dangerous situation. “We are not idiots” said bishop.
When I was a smoker I would confess my regular sinning with near certain knowledge that I would probably light up a smoke shortly after confessing. One day, during confession, God literally just took the addiction away. We are so blessed. And thanks for all those blessings I didn't and don't live up to.
A blessing from "Fiddler on the Roof" comes to mind. Someone comes to the Rabbi and asks if there is a proper blessing for the Czar. The Rabbi thinks for a moment and then says, "May God bless and keep the Czar -- far away from us!"
The blessing is a scandal regardless of how you try to sugar coat it. Fr. Mark, you are entitled to your opinion. I suggest you learn from this faithful African Bishop. Priests were able to do personal blessings without this change, which shows the real agenda.
If we don’t hold the line for Christ the Catholic Church will turn into the Anglican communion. Once they turned into a gay rights group they just shut the doors on all their churches. Nobody attends. Least of all the practicing gays.
The example this Father gives isn't pertinent to Pope Francis' new declaration. If a natural disaster or something equally destructive has struck an area, then the priest's blessings are assumed by EVERYONE to be for help for the people, whoever they are, to get through and recover from their trauma. No declaration needed to be written for situations like that. The blessing called for in this declaration (once you sort out all the deliberate ambiguity and doublespeak) is a blessing specifically for the couple AS a couple who fully intend to continue living their grievously sinful relationship with no repentance. You'd have to be awfully naive to imagine that a gay (or other "irregular" couple) would seek such a blessing together as a couple to strengthen their resolve to repent and live celibately. If an INDIVIDUAL such person had a spiritual director and was repentant and struggling to stop the sinning and live celibately, so they ask the priest privately for a blessing to help them repent, such a blessing could already be given -- this declaration isn't needed for that. That's why I see it as intentional obfuscation and doublespeak of its real intent -- because if it's real intent is only what this Father claims, then there was no need for the declaration.
What are you talking about? Catholicism teaches that you listen to both God and man. This is because it recognises that God speaks through man. This is the entire reason Christ established a church so that we listen to man given authority here on earth.
The good shepherd gives his life for his sheep. Please father, stop squirming and face the music, the reality of the situation we are in today in the Catholic church. We know where this is coming from and where they want to take it with this word salad document. We all have to be prepared to stand up and be counted.
Traditional Catholic teaching is that a Catholic should not assume bad intentions of the Magisterium and read the Magisterium in an attitude of suspicion, but, rather, approach the Magisterium in the spirit of a student that wants to humbly listen to what the teacher has to say. Fiducia Supplicans does not contradict the tradition of the church in any way, but, rather, gives great advice to priests that no one is too sinful to receive a blessing from God to live a holier life.
Interesting that you mention traditional teaching. Perhaps it would have been a good idea to simply reiterate traditional church guidance and teaching on sin and in particular the necessity to avoid occasions of sin for individuals in these situations and protecting the reputation of the priest, not to mention avoiding scandals. The salvation of souls seems to be overshadowed by an attempt to please the world while claiming that nothing has changed. It's not like this is a big surprise and we weren't expecting it unless like most get along go along catholics today, you were oblivious to what has been happening in the church for the last fifty-some years or you have already left and joined the world to which you were so warmly introduced. Sorry my friend, it doesn't fly.
@@ClaymanS So you are of the opinion that the Church has defected from the faith then? Don't squirm out of the question. By the way, have you read said document in a spirit of docility and prayer?
I am just another concerned Catholic who has been watching the gradual undermining of the faith for the 45 years that I have been a Catholic The church is the immaculate bride of Christ and is indefectable but men aren't. The pope is infallible when pronouncing on faith and morals excathedra but it is interesting that to my understanding there hasn't been a clear infallible excathedra pronouncement since before Vatican II and that speaks volumes about the confusion and modernist influence in the church and how these "word salad " documents are used to change religious practices while claiming that nothing has changed doctrinally. The situation in the church is very grave, and go along, get along Catholics will be lost in the sunami of error and confusion being thrust upon them. Our Lord has sent His mother to warn us many times about what we are seeing now in Rome. Approved apparitions like Our Lady of good success in Quito Ecuador, Lassalette, and Fatima tell us much about the "diabolic disorientation" of our times.
@@ClaymanS The Pope is infallible when presenting a truth in an ex cathedra formula, but that's not the only time the pope teaches infallibly. For example, Pope John Paul II taught infallibly that women can't be ordained to the priesthood in his document called Ordinatio Sacerdotalis, however he didn't use an ex cathedra "formula" for this statement. However, yes, infallible teachings by popes are rare. Nonetheless, we still must give our submission of intellect and will to even nondefinitive teachings of the magisterium (Lumen Gentium 25). Pope Pius X said that it is a sin of grave matter to publicly dissent against a document by one of the Roman congregations that is approved by the pope, which is what Fiducia Supplicans is. The Magisterium is our fathers, and, like any father, you shouldn't just listen to him when he speaks in the most authoritative way to you. That is when great divisions in families develop, and, that is also when schism develops in the church.
Because of my profound conversion 16 years ago, I did experience what many have described as an illumination of conscience. I saw what looked like Jesus on the Cross emitting white and red rays of light while I was praying the Divine Mercy chaplets continuously with my nine-year-old son. I was in ecstasy with the joy of tears coming from my eyes. I was a prodigal son with a hardened heart brought back to life, having led a life of promiscuity, so there are hopes for others especially those with sexual sins. Convert now.
Thank you! This is what the pope is looking to do -- to stop the false theology of the liberal German Synodal Way, and to open wide the floodgates of Mercy, through simple blessings, freely offered!!
❤ Isaiah 5:20 "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!" ✝️✝️✝️
Yes! Let us keep reminding people that the Magisterial Declaration "Fiducia Supplicans" is orthodox and aimed at rescuing the German and Belgian faithful from the liberals who would have same-sex marriages. They have already said they will defy the Magisterium, and continue their plan to roll out books of blessings for same-sex unions! And every time someone says, "Oh, this document is pro-LGBT sexual activities!" and "Oh, the pope is trying to get same-sex marriages!" that person is giving the devil comfort by calling a good document "evil"!!
You aren’t catholic then - Catholics stand by Christs bride they don’t make popes for themselves like Protestants! Might want to learn catholic tradition on obeying the ordinary magisterium! Do you trust Pope Pius X words? In praestantia scripturae (on the Bible against modernists) “Wherefore we find it necessary to declare and to expressly prescribe, and by this our act *we do declare and decree that all are bound in conscience to submit to the decisions of the Biblical Commission relating to doctrine, which have been given in the past and which shall be given in the future, in the same way as to the decrees of the Roman congregations approved by the Pontiff;* nor can all those escape the note of disobedience or temerity, and consequently of grave sin, who in speech or writing contradict such decisions, and this besides the scandal they give and the other reasons for which they may be responsible before God for other temerities and errors which generally go with such contradictions.” Fiducia Supplicans is from a Roman congregation approved by the Pope. St. Pope Pius X is clear when he wrote: “all are bound in conscience to submit to the decisions of the Biblical Commission relating to doctrine, which have been given in the past and which shall be given in the future, in the same way as to the decrees of the Roman congregations approved by the Pontiff” St. Pope Pius X then goes on to say about those who deny them, refuse to ascent to them or try to contradict them such as dissenting from them: “nor can all those escape the note of disobedience or temerity, and consequently of grave sin, who in speech or writing contradict such decisions, and this besides the scandal they give and the other reasons for which they may be responsible before God for other temerities and errors which generally go with such contradictions.” Humanae Generis from Pope Pius XII magisterium: *”20. Nor must it be thought that what is expounded in Encyclical Letters does not of itself demand consent, since in writing such Letters the Popes do not exercise the supreme power of their Teaching Authority. For these matters are taught with the ordinary teaching authority, of which it is true to say: "He who heareth you, heareth me";[3] and generally what is expounded and inculcated in Encyclical Letters already for other reasons appertains to Catholic doctrine. But if the Supreme Pontiffs in their official documents purposely pass judgment on a matter up to that time under dispute, it is obvious that that matter, according to the mind and will of the Pontiffs, cannot be any longer considered a question open to discussion among theologians.”* “21. It is also true that theologians must always return to the sources of divine revelation: for it belongs to them to point out how the doctrine of the living Teaching Authority is to be found either explicitly or implicitly in the Scriptures and in Tradition.[4] Besides, each source of divinely revealed doctrine contains so many rich treasures of truth, that they can really never be exhausted. Hence it is that theology through the study of its sacred sources remains ever fresh; on the other hand, speculation which neglects a deeper search into the deposit of faith, proves sterile, as we know from experience. But for this reason even positive theology cannot be on a par with merely historical science. For, together with the sources of positive theology God has given to His Church a living Teaching Authority to elucidate and explain what is contained in the deposit of faith only obscurely and implicitly. This deposit of faith our Divine Redeemer has given for authentic interpretation not to each of the faithful, not even to theologians, but only to the Teaching Authority of the Church. But if the Church does exercise this function of teaching, as she often has through the centuries, either in the ordinary or in the extraordinary way, it is clear how false is a procedure which would attempt to explain what is clear by means of what is obscure. Indeed, the very opposite procedure must be used. Hence Our Predecessor of immortal memory, Pius IX, teaching that the most noble office of theology is to show how a doctrine defined by the Church is contained in the sources of revelation, added these words, and with very good reason: "in that sense in which it has been defined by the Church."” *”27. Some say they are not bound by the doctrine, explained in Our Encyclical Letter of a few years ago, and based on the Sources of Revelation, which teaches that the Mystical Body of Christ and the Roman Catholic Church are one and the same thing.[6] Some reduce to a meaningless formula the necessity of belonging to the true Church in order to gain eternal salvation. Others finally belittle the reasonable character of the credibility of Christian faith.”* - here it says you are bound by what is taught in encyclical letters.
Donum Veritatis also confirmed this: “17. Divine assistance is also given to the successors of the apostles teaching in communion with the successor of Peter, and *in a particular way, to the Roman Pontiff as Pastor of the whole Church, when exercising their ordinary Magisterium, even should this not issue in an infallible definition or in a "definitive" pronouncement but in the proposal of some teaching which leads to a better understanding of Revelation in matters of faith and morals and to moral directives derived from such teaching.* One must therefore take into account the proper character of every exercise of the Magisterium, considering the extent to which its authority is engaged. It is also to be borne in mind that all acts of the Magisterium derive from the same source, that is, from Christ who desires that His People walk in the entire truth. For this same reason, *magisterial decisions in matters of discipline, even if they are not guaranteed by the charism of infallibility, are not without divine assistance and call for the adherence of the faithful.* *18. The Roman Pontiff fulfills his universal mission with the help of the various bodies of the Roman Curia and in particular with that of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in matters of doctrine and morals. Consequently, the documents issued by this Congregation expressly approved by the Pope participate in the ordinary magisterium of the successor of Peter.(18”* “23. When the Magisterium of the Church makes an infallible pronouncement and solemnly declares that a teaching is found in Revelation, the assent called for is that of theological faith. *This kind of adherence is to be given even to the teaching of the ordinary and universal Magisterium when it proposes for belief a teaching of faith as divinely revealed.* When the Magisterium proposes "in a definitive way" truths concerning faith and morals, which, even if not divinely revealed, are nevertheless strictly and intimately connected with Revelation, these must be firmly accepted and held.(22) *When the Magisterium, not intending to act "definitively", teaches a doctrine to aid a better understanding of Revelation and make explicit its contents, or to recall how some teaching is in conformity with the truths of faith, or finally to guard against ideas that are incompatible with these truths, the response called for is that of the religious submission of will and intellect.(23)* This kind of response cannot be simply exterior or disciplinary but must be understood within the logic of faith and under the impulse of obedience to the faith.” It goes on to speak of dissent: “33. Dissent has different aspects. In its most radical form, it aims at changing the Church following a model of protest which takes its inspiration from political society. More frequently, it is asserted that the theologian is not bound to adhere to any Magisterial teaching unless it is infallible. Thus a Kind of theological positivism is adopted, according to which, doctrines proposed without exercise of the charism of infallibility are said to have no obligatory character about them, leaving the individual completely at liberty to adhere to them or not. The theologian would accordingly be totally free to raise doubts or reject the non-infallible teaching of the Magisterium particularly in the case of specific moral norms. With such critical opposition, he would even be making a contribution to the development of doctrine.” - you don't get to ignore the ordinary magisterium and claim you can pick and choose what documents you hold to. To do such a thing is to no longer hold to tradition. Again Pope Pius X and Pope Pius XII in addition to Donum Veritatis said it is a grave matter/sin to do so and you are not allowed. Go back to paragraph 30 to see what it says in cases where theologians have difficulty with a document: “30. If, despite a loyal effort on the theologian's part, the difficulties persist, the theologian has the duty to make known to the Magisterial authorities the problems raised by the teaching in itself, in the arguments proposed to justify it, or even in the manner in which it is presented. He should do this in an evangelical spirit and with a profound desire to resolve the difficulties. His objections could then contribute to real progress and provide a stimulus to the Magisterium to propose the teaching of the Church in greater depth and with a clearer presentation of the arguments. In cases like these, the theologian should avoid turning to the "mass media", but have recourse to the responsible authority, for it is not by seeking to exert the pressure of public opinion that one contributes to the clarification of doctrinal issues and renders servite to the truth.” - note that going to social media is not how their concerns are to be addressed so every theologian and self professed theologian that does this is openly and publically dissenting thus committing a grave matter/sin. To claim you don't have to ascent to a teaching from the ordinary magisterium due to not being infallibly taught is dissent which is a grave matter - this is unanimously taught amount the manulalists and Vatican II confirms it in its acts.
The main reason we cannot give an inch is once we do the LGBT mafia will overrun the church as they did Church of England which is no longer a church. The episcopal and Methodist churches no longer even speak of Jesus. They’re just gay rights advocacy groups. We MUST hold the line.
The document alone creates scandal. Mary has been warning us about this. If Mother thought it was ok, there would be NO warning the people. There is a priest who has been cancelled due to his stance on same sex but he didn’t back down, he stood his ground. Heaven help the person(s) who cancelled him. My, my, my. 💕😇🙏 Courage.
The document might sound orthodox, but it is a slippery slope to condone sins. Canon Lawyer Fr. Gerald Murray states that couples look to affirm their relationships, and we cannot bless sins. The document does not mention the importance of repentance, which is the hallmark of Jesus' ministry, "Repent and believe in the Gospel." For the adulterous woman, Jesus said, "Go and sin no more." That needs to be incorporated into the blessing for clarification. For couples struggling with sexual sins, either straight or gay, the best blessing would be done in the Confessional setting, not to give any appearance of condoning the relationship since we are living in a time now of hypersexualized culture and woke idealogy.
@Heart_on_Fire_WL The document does not sound "orthodox". The verbiage to bless unrepentant sodomites who present themselves as a "couple" is a directive scripted by Satan himself.
He is not struggling. He is clear what hia role is. You guys are the ones struggling with you Protestant understanding of ecclisiology. You want to dictate to The Magiaterium howit should be cnducted like if you are the voice of God. If you speak for God, where is your miracle proofs?
Here’s a blessing: Stop your sin, repent, revert to the faith you were taught, make a firm purpose of amendment. This is not rocket science. The church has spoken for 2000 years This document is a cover for sin and will lead to ssa marriage , the ultimate goal of the lavender gangsters.
In his heart, Fr. Mark uses his forum to fully support this Vatican declaration which is so contrary to the Church's constant teaching - no matter how he tries to spin it. His attempt at virtue signalling with the same sex couple in the hurricane hypothetical is really dishonest at best!
I am now beginning to understand why the Blessed Mother has been working overtime in Africa strengthening the faithful and their shepherds. Last year, Mary appeared at Subukia Marian Shrine in Nakuru Kenya during the National Day of Prayer that the Kenyan Bishops organize every year. The Bishops and many clergy were in attendance and they also saw her. My Parish in Kenya was there and people I know also saw her. The sun started flickering and then she emerged from it. This was just before the Mass started and then she left when the procession to the alter began. No message was given, but those who were there saw her.
The message of the Blessed Holy Mother has always been…to be faithful to Jesus, to follow the Gospel and in the teachings of the true Magisterium of His Church.
Go Africa. Don't listen to the detractors who wanted to legitimise same sex union in future. Sin should not be given a foothold in the Church. These detractors say same sex union is irregular union. It is the sin of abomination. And we called it sodomy, not irregular union.
@@irishandscottish1829, where is this coming from?? We are the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH in Kenya and are not a schismatic church. When our Bishops give us pastoral direction we are happy because they know what they are doing, and we also know what has come from the Vatican is ambiguous and open to many interpretations. Our culture, the Natural Law, Morality, our Constitution and the Divine Law abhors unnatural behaviors like homosexuality which the West has been trying so hard to push down our throats. Even animals don't copulate with their own gender!! This is pure common sense!!! We will stand firm against these homosexual tendencies because these are the workings of the devil 😈😈 On Marian apparitions: We in Kenya have witnessed these apparitions at the National Marian Shrine of Mary Mother of God in Subukia during the National Prayer Day of Peace on the 1st Saturday of October. Mother Mary has also appeared in many countries across the world, the messages of which have been confirmed by many. The messages are very clear: Her Son is offended by humanity and she is calling us all to repentance. We even have our our Sr. Anna Ali of the Most Blessed Sacrament, who used to receive messages from Christ Himself and He was anguished by the many blasphemies that were happening in the world and in the Church. These messages and instructions from Christ are compiled in 2 volumes - Divine Appeal. So, do you still think we in Kenya are schismatics??
@@irishandscottish1829 I support the Pope and the Magisterium, but I also understand why the African Bishops are rejecting this declaration. For years the African Bishops have asked political leaders to resist the demands of western governments on gay unions. Some western governments even tied aid to this issue. Also the issue itself goes against the cultural values and customs of the people these Bishops are serving. I think the declaration is more applicable in the west.
No, Fr. Mark is right. A Magisterial Declaration is a solemn teaching instrument. It is not to be dismissed lightly. In fact, Pope St. Pius X met with a great deal of dissent -- against his encyclicals and his decree of the Syllabus of Modernist Errors. So, when even his Biblical Commission met with dissent, he published his moto proprio "Praestantia Scripturae" : "Wherefore we find it necessary to declare and to expressly prescribe, and by this our act we do declare and decree that all are *bound in conscience to submit* to the decisions of the Biblical Commission relating to doctrine, which have been given in the past and which shall be given in the future, *in the same way* as to the *decrees* of the Roman congregations *approved by the Pontiff*; nor can all those escape the note of disobedience or temerity, and consequently of *grave sin*, who in speech or writing contradict such decisions, and this besides the *scandal* they give and the other reasons for which they may be responsible before God for other temerities and errors which generally go with such contradictions." (hopefully, emphasis added. If I did it right!) So we have to be very, very careful that we remain open to the Truth, as Fr. Mark is.
Yes, dear@@exquisiteeleganceevents. And would it be sin to misrepresent what your spiritual fathers say? Both the Pope and Fr. Mark? "Bless the sinner, not the sin." That's the whole of "Fiducia Supplicans" in a nutshell.
As an African bishop said in another interview, "Before this, we always blessed people when asked. We never asked who they slept with. We blessed people. We don't need this document to tell us to bless people who ask for a blessing." He went on to express the obvious truth, that this document has something else in mind, and nowhere does it call people to repentance, which is the primary job of the priest. Fr. Mark, when you argue that this document helps priests bless people, which they would have done anyway, you are dancing around its obvious purpose - to give woke priests like Fr. Martin a wink and a nod to bless couples in irregular unions - not just gay couples, but heterosexuals living together and people who have been divorced and remarried. Please stop trying to justify this. Good priests bless people, but they also call them to repentance. This document will actually make it harder for priests to perform their number one responsibility, because some weaker priests will think they shouldn't encourage repentance anymore. Please stop. This is bad.
The first abomination is to discuss this publicly, giving ammunition to the atheistic media... Do the document ask for identification of moral status? So if a couple of a man a and a woman asks for the blessing, the priest will ask for their moral ID? Don't make me laugh. The church is blessing them for ages, just if they go to a mass and wait for the final blessing! And if a homo couple do the same? Will you ask for their status? WE are seeing the birth of new Lutrhers, that know more than the Pope. And more, for what we are seeing, looks like there is a huge line of same sex couples asking for this blessing. I don't see any.
The document changes nothing other than add confusion. There was no known need for this document and its reason for existing is what people are questioning. If a priest didn’t understand that he could bless a person who is in a sinful relationship before then that’s a different problem.
There sure was a need for this document. The German, Belgian, and other Bishops were promoting and some already performing special blessings on same sex "unions!" The document clearly says that they can't do that. It is true that it could have stopped at that. What the Vatican has understood is that we live in a new world that (much to my dismay) has "normalized" same sex couples (as well as heterosexual couples that live together). How do you invite them to a life of holiness if all you do is reject them and tell them they are an abomination, that they are sinners, and perverts? Does that sound like an invitation to repentance to you? After all aren't they just as much children of God as we are? Did He not love them into being? The Church has followed the process of discernment and has put forth a worthy alternative. I think it is a wonderful document.
@@deaconsantiagomolina91 Clergy who are “blessing” sin should be reprimanded. The Churches teaching is and has been crystal clear. If you think we as catholics reject any sinners and tell them that they are abominations then you are terribly mistaken! Your comment on this indicates that your thinking is a part of the problem. We do not reject them! This is well known and you must not be familiar with the Church nor its teachings. All sinners are invited to repentance and to be a part of His Church! However, we must acknowledge our sin and not desire for the Church to accept it as good.
This situation is like a decaying tooth. The longer a person ignores and pretends it isn't there the more serious the condition becomes. Eventually it has to come out to begin the healing process. Oh Lord please give our bishops and priests the grace to stand up and do your will even with the weight of demonic forces on their shoulders.
Do you think yourselves to speak for God? Are you The Magiaterium to say how the Church should be conducted? If you people speak for God, where is your miracles?
Now I watch Fr. Goring's videos just to see how long he's going to keep digging the hole he's in. He is beyond parody at this point. Good to know that FS has us covered for hurricane season!🤣 Something is seriously wrong with this guy.....
Cardinal Fernandez would have instructed St. John the Baptist. “You must walk, with accompany and include King Herod and his sister-in-law with whom he is living in an (admittedly) sinful relationship. We must not be only those who condemn, judge and exclude. Offer King Herod and his sister-in-law a public blessing, to show how merciful, kind, loving and inclusive God is.” If St. John the Baptist had the benefit of Cardinal Fernandez’s sophisticated advice, he would have kept his head. King Herod would probably have shown is appreciation by appointing him to a senior position in the Jewish Priesthood - possibly High Priest for the year.
Dear@@Mark3ABE, please, do not be like Fr. James Martin and totally misread this Magisterial document, which forbids, in very exact detail, any public "blessing of couples in irregular unions", and any theological re-definition of private blessings to allow for pseudo-marriages. This is why "Fiducia Supplicans" is at such pains to reiterate, again and again, (and again!) that simple blessings (being folk piety) are to remain spontaneous and non-scandalous. (NO NYT reporters or photographers, NO legitimacy for the SITUATION of the couple.) The reason so many people misunderstand what they are reading, is that they do not recognize that the document is directed against the very liberal, schismatic German Synodal Way. If you would really like to see what Cardinal Fernandez and Pope Francis are up against, you can read the document "Blessing ceremonies for couples who love each other." It's on the Website "synodalerweg.de". DO you want to join the LGBTQ people and promote the lie that FS is "opening a door" (when it is shutting down the new, theological underpinnings for same-sex unions which schismatic German and Belgian bishops are attempting to construct)?
Cardinal burke and bishop Strickland were removed from positions due to holding “rigid to the faith.” Yet “father” James Martin and the German bishops have NOT been even publicly rebuked let alone removed from office while they have totally abandoned the faith. My great grandma who died at 101 years old always told us if we had a bad pope who was leading the church astray, the faithful are to pray that God take him quickly.
I agree with your comment 100% The whole process is shameful! These demons in the church are allowed to stay good Bishops who are loyal to the faith are removed.
Excellent point !!! The faithful are removed, dispised as garbage and the profiles and homisrxuals are praised in the church, placed in the leading and hot sears positions!!!!!!
That tells you all you need to know about this pope's character, intent and agenda. His problem is with orthodox Catholicism and Orthodox Catholic doctrine
You are 100% wrong on this one Fr. I love you, I love your content, I love your videos, I love the fact that you are conservative but you are dead dead wrong on this topic. There is a big big difference between blessing each individual or offering a blessing after a natural disaster and blessing a same sex couples union. There is no circumstance under which the Church should be condoning sinful sexual acts and that is exactly what they are doing when they are authorizing the blessing of same-sex couples. There is no way around this Fr. you are wrong it's as simple as that and so is the Pope. What you seem to be missing here Fr. is the fact that this new document authorizes the blessing of the union, not just the person's involved in the union, but the union itself which is sinful! Viva Cristo Rey
The document reaffirms the traditional doctrine of the Catholic Church regarding marriage, stating that no liturgical rite or blessing should be allowed that could create confusion about the Church's teaching on marriage. It emphasizes that the Church cannot bless unions that contradict the understanding of marriage as the exclusive, stable, and indissoluble union between a man and a woman. Key points include: 1. Firm Doctrine: Emphasis on maintaining the Church's firm stance on marriage and not endorsing any form of blessing that contradicts traditional doctrine. 2. Pastoral Sensibility: Acknowledgment of the need for a pastoral approach, urging ministers to consider the diverse situations of individuals without compromising on doctrinal principles. 3. Blessings as a Pastoral Resource: The document encourages viewing blessings as pastoral resources, expressing God's mercy and the Church's motherly care without requiring perfect moral conditions. 4. Non-Ritualized Blessings: Caution against providing fixed rituals for blessings of couples in irregular situations, emphasizing the importance of spontaneous gestures that maintain simplicity and avoid ritualization. 5. Not Endorsing Same-Sex Unions: Explicitly states that the Church cannot bless same-sex unions and clarifies that any blessing offered to such couples should not be connected to ceremonies of a civil union or include wedding-like elements. 6. Individual Focus in Blessings: The document underscores that the intention of any blessing is directed towards the individuals themselves, praying for their well-being, inviting them to seek God's assistance, and expressing a hope for their spiritual growth and understanding of God's plan. 7. Avoiding Scandal: Highlights the importance of avoiding scandal and confusion among the faithful and discourages the imposition of excessive control over pastoral gestures. While the document does use the term "couple," it's crucial to consider the context and intent. The document specifies that blessings are directed toward individuals, emphasizing their spiritual journey. The term "couple" is not used to endorse specific relationships but rather to acknowledge the individuals seeking spiritual assistance. The document explicitly states that the Church cannot bless same-sex unions and firmly rejects fixed rituals for irregular situations. The use of the term "couple" should be understood within the framework of individual-focused blessings, avoiding any misinterpretation that would contradict traditional teachings on marriage. The term is not promoting or legitimizing specific relationships.
Interesting timing for this to be released right after the historic Vatican scandal and the verdict of Cardinal Becciu. Becciu found guilty on December 16....Fiducia Supplicans released on December 18. One would almost think this was a planned distraction if Becciu were to be found guilty.
I wouldn’t be surprised if same sex blessing to couples hasn’t already begun if so what happens to the priest that gave the blessing I’m guessing nothing
Did you even read my entire comment, I address the use of the word "couple" at the bottom. You clearly didn't read it, or you're taking it clearly out of context.
You obviously have not read the document. Everything you just said in this comment regarding what the document says about blessing same sex unions is a lie.
Greetings Fr. Mark. Thank you for all your good work and encouraging words over these many years. Just to add to this whole discussion. I heard Dr. Jules Gomes, the Rome correspondent for Church Militant, say that the F.S. document was written in Italian and the word used for couple was, "coppia'. He said it has the connotation of a romantic relationship between two people. I've seen some incredible mental and verbal gymnastics over the past few days of people trying to say that 'couple' just means individuals or a random grouping of people. I don't believe this is what was meant or intended.
Okay. But did Dr. Jules Gomes address the fact that "couple" means "two" and not a "union of two" in previous Magisterial documents? And that no matter how many times a priest blesses "couples". a simple blessing can never affirm the union of two people? That FS says simple blessings are for the purpose of bringing "actual graces" (in the technical sense) on the pair of people? And did Dr. Gomes point out that FS is a carefully crafted weapon to use for the stopping of the liberal, schismatic German Synodal Way? Does Dr. Gomes want to aid and abet the LGBTQ community by pretending that this document is "opening a door" for them, when it is so clearly shutting down the new liberal theories of "love means love"?
You do realise it's sinful to go against the Magesterium? The Magesterium does not error and we should not claim to be teachers of the document either.
The catechism of the Catholic church teaches us to obey the magisterium. The catechism assures us that the magisterium is not superior to the word of God but it's servant. What is a catholic expected to do when a teaching comes forward which is not in line with scripture and tradition?
@@soldierofmary984 You apparently do not understand the words you are using. Those clergy who have magisterial authority are servants of the Word of God and the perennial teachings of the Church. Their role is to defend the deposit of faith and all truths the Church has taught not to DEFINE truth. As for you claim that the magisterium does not err, there are numerous examples in history of the Church, in which they have erred. Case number one is given in scripture when St Paul rebuked St Peter for his teaching to the Gentiles regarding Mosaic law. Case number two is the case of the Ariane heresy in which the majority of prelates preached the heresy. The history of the Church is replete with erring prelates!
@@jacobwafula6257 A Catholic should then look for a way that it could be harmonized with Scripture and Tradition, in an attitude of submission to the Magisterium. This is what Pope Benedict XVI called the "hermeneutic of continuity." It's the same thing you would do if something in scripture or tradition seems contradictory to you--research how to harmonize them. Pope Pius X said it's a sin of grave matter to reject a document by a dicastery that's approved by the pope.
How is a catholic expected to calmly submit to a magisterium which in 2021 correctly taught sinful union cannot be blessed because sin cannot be blessed, and in 2023 turns around to say it is possible to bless it . What would you say about the teaching of St. Thomas Aquinas: There being an imminent danger for the Faith, prelates must be questioned, even publicly, by their subjects. Thus, St. Paul, who was a subject of St. Peter, questioned him publicly on account of an imminent danger of scandal in a matter of Faith. And, as the Glossa of St. Augustine puts it (Ad Galatas 2.14), 'St. Peter himself gave the example to those who govern so that if sometimes they stray from the right way, they will not reject a correction as unworthy even if it comes from their subjects.” (Summa Theologiae, IIa IIae, Q. 33, A. 4)
✝️ 3:18-19 "When I say to the wicked, 'You shall surely die,' and you give them no warning, or speak to warn the wicked from their wicked way, in order to save their life, those wicked persons shall die for their iniquity; but their blood I will require at your hand. But if you warn the wicked, and they do not turn from their wickedness, or from their wicked way, they shall die for their iniquity; but you will have saved your life."✝️✝️✝️
Please read CCC 2357. Last sentence: Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES. 2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,140 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."141 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
“A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit; neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. “Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.” (Matt. 7:15-20.)
Is it love and compassion for the cast out or is it the exclusion of the marginalized? It is love, and you don't need to wait thousands of years to see that it is love that will bring forward the fruit. Because it was Love that gave us life on the Cross.
Are you sinless? Or doesn’t everyone has sinned therefore don’t throw that first stone. Maybe that blessing like fr Mark says to give them strength post Tornado will be the one to open their eyes. We are not to judge as we are not Jesus. They are not blessing their union as a couple and Fr Mark as been saying this from the start. Open your eyes and your heart. As long as their couple isn’t blessed for being a couple. Everyone needs blessings
Then bless them one by one, not together. And ask for what you need to bless them. Simple as that. Why this kind of fishy explanations. Fader are you for or against it. I just wandering ?
@@timohaavisto9224 All that attend mass are in state of grace? No. All of them receive blessings one by one or together? Together. I think there is indeed confusion, blessing is not the Holy Sacrament. Blessing is also not permission to sin or to keep on sinning.
I am so happy that so many bishops are standing firm for the word of God. Here's the thing, the Church has already been doing INDIVIDUAL blessings, blessing sinners so that they would have help striving not to sin, although I believe that the ROSARY is the answer to that prayer and genuinely desiring not to sin anymore and genuinely desiring to know Jesus and to LOVE him; the answer is going to Holy Confession and then receiving the Holy Eucharist so then the Spirit of God will be poured into a CLEAN Temple... now this is what is going to help in striving not to sin, with our Mother Mary's Grace. But here's the thing this document says that although these homosexual fornicating couples go to church together they slept with each other the night before, they wake up go to church holding hands receiving the blessings and then they go home and then have more sexual relations with each other again and just live life just how they were... now this document is supposedly saying that even though they go up as a couple, that they are INDIVIDUALLY receiving this blessing... well I don't understand how this could be since the church already gives INDIVIDUAL blessings!!???? the church already does this, so if the pope is now allowing individuals to go up hand in hand with their lovers, then he is Not blessing them individually he is blessing them has a couple! & people are not stupid therefore I'm so Very gratefully happy that these bishops are standing up for what is Right which is the Word of God VERSUS conforming to worldly views, to modern views. The Word of God is Never going to change, and when each of us INDIVIDUALLY goes to get Judged by the Just Judge Jesus, we're Not going to be holding hands with our adulterous or fornicating homosexual lover at that point. These couples are not suffering from a hurricane that just blew down their house... Besides haven't you read the Bible where God has destructed cities and houses because they lived in sin. I don't know why you are sticking up for the pope when you know that this is very wrong I don't know if you're trying to be a bishop or a cardinal or trying to advance in your career but what you're doing is very wrong
Point taken. This Church belongs to Christ. We are staying put. Praying for one another. This is not the first time the church is going through a tough time.
You didn't read the document carefully, and it appears you don't know your Catholic faith very well. What is our disposition supposed to be when we receive a teaching of the Pope's ordinary magisterium? Key point, if you don't know what ordinary magisterium means, then you don't probably belong in a conversation about this issue until you learn what it means. Yes, we should repent and go to confession and such. But now you need to go to confession yourself for attacking the holy Father unjustly! Instead of this panicking, go read about how we should receive the Pope's ordinary magisterium with the submission of mind and will. And then talk to your confessor about these issues, and I pray the Lord gives him a good word for you.
@@2Hosea there have been many bad popes in there has been popes that have thought that Jesus did not have both nature of man and divinity when he came so not every Pope is correct all of the time and my loyalty is to Jesus His Word, not every word that comes out of popes mouth. Fr. Chris Alar Marian priest explains document , he's on EWTN, he's a divine mercy Marian priest. Google it he talks for over an hour on document. And him and his congregation is refusing to do these blessings unless they are individual versus with homosexual lover hand in hand.. My priests at my Catholic Church are not doing it either.
Fr. Goring, we love you. You are a wonderful teacher and faithful priest. This explains why you have accumulated nearly one-quarter million subscribers. You are however trying too hard with FS. The hurricane example was a far stretch and we all know that was not the context for which the unnecessary FS was promulgated, far from it. You are better than that. You nor any other priest worth his salt would deny to pray for random people suffering from a devastating hurricane prior to the FS. The document had one purpose, and confusion is growing like a weed that will scatter its seeds to lessen the harvest.
👍 Thank you for articulating so well what my own thoughts were when I heard this example. It's not at all relevant to what's going on when a same-sex couple requests a blessing as a couple.
@@soldierofmary984 exactly, all you will find in the document is nothing but bullshit, as in any of the novus ordo documents. That's because the modernist mindset is cowardly, it will never commit itself to any truth, but it will say something while implying the exact opposite of what it's saying. Like the Mossad of the enemies of Christ it uses deception as its weapon of subversion. It paves the way to degeneracy in the praxis, the practical application of the norms, while keeping up a nebulous appearance of orthodoxy in the theory.
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I am a late in life convert. Pope Francis puzzles and even confuses me very often. If I am understanding this correctly the priest may offer a blessing to someone in a homosexual union. But this blessing must be performed for the person only, not the relationship. We all know that this is going to be seen by many as a blessing/acceptance of the homosexual relationship instead. My own thoughts on this is that many will be led astray, some may leave the Church. To say it’s very straightforward is not exactly true. The fact of it pertaining to a hot potato political issue right now is, I believe, scandalizing.
"But this blessing must be performed for the person only, not the relationship" No the blessing is for the relationship, but only for the "non-sinful parts" of the relationship. So if an SS couple is engaging in (sinful) becoming-one-flesh activities every night, but once a week they volunteer to work together cooking dinner at a homeless shelter, the blessing only applies to the weekly homeless shelter work, not the nightly mortal sins. It's a really smart AI-powered blessing that surgically separates the sinful from the non-sinful. Of course this is ridiculous and will scandalize and/or confuse everyone involved. The priest giving the blessing can use whatever wording he wants for the blessing, and will thus almost certainly not communicate the sinful nature of the core activity of the SS relationship, leading anyone observing, as well as the couple, to think the teaching has changed and their becoming-one-flesh activities are now considered non-sinful.
Do the document ask for identification of moral status? So if a couple of a man a and a woman asks for the blessing, the priest will ask for their moral ID? Don't make me laugh. The church is blessing them for ages, just if they go to a mass and wait for the final blessing! And if a homo couple do the same? Will you ask for their status? WE are seeing the birth of new Luthers, that know more than the Pope. And more, for what we are seeing, looks like there is a huge line of same sex couples asking for this blessing. I don't see any.
Don't be discouraged. People are going to see/interpret these blessings the way they want. I'm a lifelong Catholic (married, with 10 children. Even spent time in seminary before marrying. None of this to boast - big mixture of sin and grace - God is Good!) who has come to love Pope Francis. I encourage you to read his writings, asking God for guidance in learning what His Vicar has to teach. If Church politics disturbs your soul, then maybe take a break. God bless you on your journey.
I’ve never seen someone miss the target so many times. The African bishops make clear the problem with this masterpiece document. They are not spin masters, they are truth tellers. So glad we have leaders like them in our Church.
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WOnderful in his mind. A new Luther. This is very strange! Because if the gay couple is on the mass, when the priest give the blessing in the end, this bless will bless that couple! And the document doesn't ask for the identification of the ones wanting blessing. And the couple doesn't need to declare that it is same sex!!! Rotten excuse of some African bishops!!!!!!!
@@CarlosAlexandre-fl2ut When you fellows have spent all your lives subsumed in an atmosphere of sin and perversion, you become so blind to reality, that the truth and falsehood exchange places. Homosexuality, which is a very normal for you guys, is an abomination to most of us Africans. So, keep your pontificating, virtue-signalling perversion to you and people of your ilk.
that is totally different! This document specifically talks about blessing a same sex couple or couples because they are sodomites. there is a blessing for pregnant mothers, too. This puts sodomite couples on the same plane as a pregnant mother!! Abomination this document is!!@@CarlosAlexandre-fl2ut
Well make sure you advocate for Priests to not bless masterbators, fornicators, thieves etc - after all wouldn’t want ‘their sin being blessed’ with your logic… Let’s make sure the church gate keeps Gods grace and that not one sinner gets a blessing
I do agree that is why you always had confession on a Saturday before church the next day.... so you could receive the Eucharist and any blessings while in a state of grace, not sin.
@@irishandscottish1829No one can be the conscience for someone else. But, chances are, a homosexual couple who approaches a priest for a blessing, is living an intimate life with their partner. The priest KNOWS they are living in sin. It is just like a Catholic leader who promotes and fights for abortion, publicly. The priest knows their sin when this politician wants to receive the Eucharist. The Eucharist becomes a sacrilege and has no redeeming benefit. If the priest gives this politician Communion, he is also guilty of sin. Bottom line - sin cannot be Blessed - no matter how hard you try to define and explain words in this document.
Yes, so if they read this document, they will not ask for a blessing, neither a liturgical one for a pseudo-marriage that they cannot have, nor a simple blessing which cannot give them the legitimacy they are looking for. Only the humble sinners, in need of the actual graces of God to stand up against temptation will be asking for a blessing. If they do read this document, and don't just listen to the people who falsely claim that FS gives them an "open door" to the kind of blessings they want!
Do the document ask for identification of moral status? So if a couple of a man a and a woman asks for the blessing, the priest will ask for their moral ID? Don't make me laugh. The church is blessing them for ages, just if they go to a mass and wait for the final blessing! And if a homo couple do the same? Will you ask for their status? WE are seeing the birth of new Luthers, that know more than the Pope. And more, for what we are seeing, looks like there is a huge line of same sex couples asking for this blessing. I don't see any.
Father with loving respect. The couple has already made their decision to stay in their sinful relationship and they are not going to want to change. They made there decision no matter who and how they hurt anyone.
Exactly. Linguistically, the word couple and the verb 'to copulate' have the same root. One thing implies the other. I don't see why anyone has to "interpret" what we already know is the deep Church's first step to makie sodomy acceptable.
@@irishandscottish1829 you don't have to be able to read minds to recognize that people asking for their relationship to be blessed are not planning on ending the relationship. If the people in the relationship had engaged in (sinful) becoming-one-flesh activities together, or were open to do so in the future, then their continuing the relationship is an occasion of sin and the relationship should be ended. There is a crap-ton of public revelation behind that. If the relationship had nothing to do with becoming-one-flesh activities, then this document would seem not to apply to the relationship.
Now you’re trying to assert this evil document is about post-disaster situations? Come on, Father. You embarrass yourself more and more with each video on this. What happened to you?
Dear Fr. Mark, We can bless individuals as we are all sinners. We cannot bless couples who want to justify their sin to say they are a couple and don’t want to repent and live as a sinful couple- whether they are a living together as a homosexual couple or a heterosexual couple. We do love the sinner and want God’s grace and mercy for them. Prayers for Wisdom for our Priests! Prayers for our Holy Mother Church! Love, Prayers & Many Blessings. 🙏🏼💒🙏🏼💒🙏🏼💒🙏🏼
AMEN dear Kim! 🙏 Perfectly stated.😊 When I had my spiritual attacks, (about 20 yrs. ago), there were a few priests who were "afraid" and refused to give me a blessing! One Benedictine Monk, at a Private Catholic School/ Priory, didn't know that his Bishop had sent us to him for me to receive a blessing from him. When we had to report back to his Bishop that I was denied this very basic right, the Bishop was very disappointed and upset with this monk.😊 I agree that no one should ever be denied a blessing in private, especially since I experienced this, but like I did, Confession first, ALWAYS!...😊 God bless you and your family Kim! 🕊️🌹🎄
Well, when you are God, you can guide the Pope via your Holy Spirit to do things the way you want it to be. Until that time, you should learn what being truly faithful is and submit to God's will...weather you agree or not. You are NOT the one to judge nor are you The Magisterium. That's why Protestantism is heretical. The leaning church wants to dictate to the Teaching authority how to conduct its affairs.
@elledee3725 No Pope has EVER taught heresy in his teaching office. Sorry, but this is basic Catholic teaching. Faithful Catholics know this. Non-Catholics should not opine on these issues, as you guys are misleading the ill-prepared Catholics and they think you are promoting Catholicism.
Father Goring, African bishops REJECTED what was written in the declaration, because they simply consider it's WRONG. Not because of pastoral reasons. You must be honest on that.
In their arrogance, many Europeans have taken their God given graces for granted. Africans have the opportunity to demonstrate the power of Holy Spirit working in the humble of heart and those who fear and love the Lord.
It is not humility if you praise some and blame others. You show that some are better than others. You show the superiority of some over others. Europeans are worse and Africans are great, where is the humility? And you're probably from Africa.We are all sinners but sin differently.
Fr so many people love you, we do not want you to go to the side of the goats. Quit carrying water for them, join the Team we are in, even if it means becoming a hermit
I love you Father Goring, however if a gay "couple" come to you for a blessing, please recommend for them to go to confession. This is the BEST blessing you can give them!!
Fr. Mark. The bishops opposed to this document aew not addressing civil legislation as the main reason for rejecting the document. I think they are saying sin cannot be blessed. By recognizing that such couples are in a sinful situation, the document should have called for repentance and prayer for conversion.
The news agency missed the point again. The African bishops that I have listened to have never even mentioned the law that makes homosexual relationships illegal in Africa,they are saying the blessing cannot be given period because the two present themselves as a “couple” they cannot bless the “ couple” without de facto blessing the sin. The other problem they have is that the document never mentions the need for repentance. If the so called “ couple” demonstrates repentance, that changes the situation. Fr. respectfully love is truth not good intentions. Only the Truth will set them free. When you said telling them this is sinful is not gonna work. You don’t know till you try, even if they get upset. A lot of people could not take Jesus teaching the truth and killed him because of it. Nonetheless, it’s “ the truth that will set you free.” You plant the seed and God makes it grow.
You must ask yourself why you are so eager to bless homosexuality and sin, when so many righteous priests and bishops are saying no to sin? Please check your compass Father. ❤
Fr. Mark is not saying to bless homosexuality and sin. The document is very clear that sin is not to be blessed, but, rather, that people, even the greatest of sinners, are to be blessed to live a holier life. Please approach the Magisterium in an attitude of submission and respect, as traditional Catholic teaching calls us to do.
We are so like the Greeks who wanted our ears tickled by philosophies, discussions, debates, etc...Words lack often times, and the multiplication of them often makes things worse as well. Most of us live in the real world. Make words that are clear to guide, teach, and direct. Be Churchmen ! This document springs up confusion, debate, and so forth. Affections, desires come from our heart, producing thoughts, then words, then actions, then habits, character, then finally our very own destiny. Be simple and for GOD ! ❤🙏
I stand with the African bishops, father, Mark I don’t think you’re analogy about the hurricane helps this horrible thing that our church is going through our church leader should be solid in their teaching and straightforward. Preaching the gospel that way there is no confusion.,, And if something doesn’t look right, it looks iffy. We should speak with love, or always the truth.
Do the document ask for identification of moral status? So if a couple of a man a and a woman asks for the blessing, the priest will ask for their moral ID? Don't make me laugh. The church is blessing them for ages, just if they go to a mass and wait for the final blessing! And if a homo couple do the same? Will you ask for their status? WE are seeing the birth of new Luthers, that know more than the Pope. And more, for what we are seeing, looks like there is a huge line of same sex couples asking for this blessing. I don't see any.
This document never should have been promulgated. There is no beauty in sin. The hurricane situation is weak. Of course you help people in desperation - but you never give the appearance of approving sin. Be Strong! Defend the Truth. Defend the Church. Wake up, Father!!!
❤ Saint Augustine "Do not think that your thoughts are unknown to God. By contemplating evil, you add to its reality. Repentance is the remedy; abandon the thoughts, and God will forgive." ✝️✝️✝️
@@DogtownTradingCo it’s quite the opposite. We have been fighting the gay infiltration in the church for decades. Now that we are making progress now the same gays who abused little children are pushing for gay blessings. Very disgusting and perverse.
From Mark Mallett , You cannot compromise, dear priests… “I had another vision of the great tribulation… It seems to me that a concession was demanded from the clergy that could not be granted. I saw many older priests, especially one, who wept bitterly. A few younger ones were also weeping… It was as if people were splitting into two camps.” -Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich (1774-1824); The Life and Revelations of Anne Catherine Emmerich; message from April 12th, 1820
Dear@@katieann1908, yes, I know. I really hoped he would continue being slick and slippery, and not go there! But I guess he couldn't resist, and now it is up to his superiors to discipline him. And he gets encouragement every time someone says that FS is promoting same-sex unions, despite the fact that it is not. But I just learned today that Pope Saint Pius X faced a great deal of dissension and distrust, and had to rebuke those who misread *his* Magisterial documents, so maybe these times are not as extraordinarily bad as we think! In any case, please keep me in your prayers, as I will keep you in mine. Truth will win!
Lest we not forget, Fernández is the author of “Heal me with your mouth, the Art of Kissing”. This lovely book includes erotic poetry and images. I guess these poor uneducated Bishops and priests are just not as spiritually enlightened as Fernández. Plus he is also Pope Francis’ ghost writer.
This still does not address the faithful who have been scandalized. There appears to be no concern about this by the DDF. When a bishop says “ it sounds like heresy, it reads like heresy, it is heresy!”, that’s enough to give me pause to listen to him and his entire conference of bishops agree, as do the bishops in all the surrounding countries including Nigeria that has I believe the largest Catholic population on the African continent.
do not be deceived. Francis and his henchmen WANT the faithful to be scandalized. They want to be rid of conservative catholics once and for all, so they will have tighter control over the church. Might lose a little bit of financial support as the faithful head for the exits, but Francis' program is catering to the desires of much deeper pockets than ours.
Blessing an individual is different from blessing a couple. If you bless a couple, you are declaring such a relationship is blessed and not sinful. You can pray for them, but not offer a blessing!
Fr. you should know what is wrong. Please do not create confusion. It is Biblical...Sodom and Gomorah were destroyed. Why didn't God bless those cities? Because they were engaging in what you are trying to justify that it is ok. Please Fr...do not create more confusion. Praying for you to discern what is God's will. I have always liked your direction on the faith, but this time around...NO please. I fully support the African Bishops.
Father, All of us are faced with a stark choice; follow God or follow man, serve God or serve man. It is clear to all who this declaration serves. I will pray that the Holy Spirit gives you both the wisdom and courage to descern which master you choose to follow. Yours in Christ
Please ! without stirring! not so many detours! YES OR NO. Really Our Priests are guides! keep it up! but please DON'T SCANDALIZE! Don’t play that “ dirty game” This is not about Inocent children , this are man 👨🏻👨🏳️🌈 . It’s an agenda ! The target are the priests ! We pray for our priests!
Helloooo, Father Mark it does not matter where and when! It is never to be done by a Priest! Ever!!! It is Souls that need to be Saved! Stand Firm Father Mark and just say NO!
Fr, as much as I love you and respect your views on many topics, I honestly believe that you are painting yourself in a dark corner on this matter. There are 2 main issues with this declaration, the first being the benediction given to couples and not individuals. There has never been a situation in the Catholic Church where blessings were denied to someone simply because they were in irregular situation, including being gay. This is simply a fabrication and distortion of facts in order to push this new narrative. Another distortion comes from the declaration stating that a blessing is not an approval of the sinful nature of an irregular situation. This is also a pure distortion. If you read what blessings mean in Roman languages like French and Italian it is as clear as water. In French for example Blessings means Benediction which means divine approval. There has never been another meaning related to this. The declaration is seeking a subtle way to approve SS relationships without providing any biblical support for these blessings. Faithful Catholics won’t be fouled by this ruse and won’t accept it.
Please read "couples" in the way the document itself uses the term. The document itself is clear that the union should not be blessed, and that "couple" refers to the two people that are blessed.
@@johne2815 why not simply say blessing of the people/persons? Take that document and replace couples with persons and judge for yourself if it clears any confusion or not. Why not state the obvious if that was the intention? The reason why it creates ambiguity is because the end result is to “approve” ss relationships. The Pope has stated his supporting views on this for a while now and this declaration supports that.
You’re spending a lot of time and energy in promoting this. I don’t understand why, and I’d prefer to stand with Bishop Schneider, Bishop Strickland, the African bishops, bishop from Hungary.
Do the document ask for identification of moral status? So if a couple of a man a and a woman asks for the blessing, the priest will ask for their moral ID? Don't make me laugh. The church is blessing them for ages, just if they go to a mass and wait for the final blessing! And if a homo couple do the same? Will you ask for their status? WE are seeing the birth of new Luthers, that know more than the Pope. And more, for what we are seeing, looks like there is a huge line of same sex couples asking for this blessing. I don't see any.
And all the Catholics with the holier than thou attitude who think they can gate keep Gods grace via blessings will be judged for that! Additionally if you believe in the approved apparitions of St. Catherine of Siena - her dialogue with God is explicit, those who judge Gods ministers will find out that one sin weighed against all other sins combined will be heavier
@@katieann1908 by their fruits…. When Catholics think they can gate keep who is entitled to receive Gods grace via blessings I can judge them - remember we aren’t forbidden to judge we are told instead to judge righteously and not as a hypocrite. The ordinary magisterium is clear. Do you trust Pope Pius X words? In praestantia scripturae (on the Bible against modernists) “Wherefore we find it necessary to declare and to expressly prescribe, and by this our act *we do declare and decree that all are bound in conscience to submit to the decisions of the Biblical Commission relating to doctrine, which have been given in the past and which shall be given in the future, in the same way as to the decrees of the Roman congregations approved by the Pontiff;* nor can all those escape the note of disobedience or temerity, and consequently of grave sin, who in speech or writing contradict such decisions, and this besides the scandal they give and the other reasons for which they may be responsible before God for other temerities and errors which generally go with such contradictions.” Fiducia Supplicans is from a Roman congregation approved by the Pope. St. Pope Pius X is clear when he wrote: “all are bound in conscience to submit to the decisions of the Biblical Commission relating to doctrine, which have been given in the past and which shall be given in the future, in the same way as to the decrees of the Roman congregations approved by the Pontiff” St. Pope Pius X then goes on to say about those who deny them, refuse to ascent to them or try to contradict them such as dissenting from them: “nor can all those escape the note of disobedience or temerity, and consequently of grave sin, who in speech or writing contradict such decisions, and this besides the scandal they give and the other reasons for which they may be responsible before God for other temerities and errors which generally go with such contradictions.” Humanae Generis from Pope Pius XII magisterium: *”20. Nor must it be thought that what is expounded in Encyclical Letters does not of itself demand consent, since in writing such Letters the Popes do not exercise the supreme power of their Teaching Authority. For these matters are taught with the ordinary teaching authority, of which it is true to say: "He who heareth you, heareth me";[3] and generally what is expounded and inculcated in Encyclical Letters already for other reasons appertains to Catholic doctrine. But if the Supreme Pontiffs in their official documents purposely pass judgment on a matter up to that time under dispute, it is obvious that that matter, according to the mind and will of the Pontiffs, cannot be any longer considered a question open to discussion among theologians.”* “21. It is also true that theologians must always return to the sources of divine revelation: for it belongs to them to point out how the doctrine of the living Teaching Authority is to be found either explicitly or implicitly in the Scriptures and in Tradition.[4] Besides, each source of divinely revealed doctrine contains so many rich treasures of truth, that they can really never be exhausted. Hence it is that theology through the study of its sacred sources remains ever fresh; on the other hand, speculation which neglects a deeper search into the deposit of faith, proves sterile, as we know from experience. But for this reason even positive theology cannot be on a par with merely historical science. For, together with the sources of positive theology God has given to His Church a living Teaching Authority to elucidate and explain what is contained in the deposit of faith only obscurely and implicitly. This deposit of faith our Divine Redeemer has given for authentic interpretation not to each of the faithful, not even to theologians, but only to the Teaching Authority of the Church. But if the Church does exercise this function of teaching, as she often has through the centuries, either in the ordinary or in the extraordinary way, it is clear how false is a procedure which would attempt to explain what is clear by means of what is obscure. Indeed, the very opposite procedure must be used. Hence Our Predecessor of immortal memory, Pius IX, teaching that the most noble office of theology is to show how a doctrine defined by the Church is contained in the sources of revelation, added these words, and with very good reason: "in that sense in which it has been defined by the Church."” *”27. Some say they are not bound by the doctrine, explained in Our Encyclical Letter of a few years ago, and based on the Sources of Revelation, which teaches that the Mystical Body of Christ and the Roman Catholic Church are one and the same thing.[6] Some reduce to a meaningless formula the necessity of belonging to the true Church in order to gain eternal salvation. Others finally belittle the reasonable character of the credibility of Christian faith.”* - here it says you are bound by what is taught in encyclical letters.
@@katieann1908 Donum Veritatis also confirmed this: “17. Divine assistance is also given to the successors of the apostles teaching in communion with the successor of Peter, and *in a particular way, to the Roman Pontiff as Pastor of the whole Church, when exercising their ordinary Magisterium, even should this not issue in an infallible definition or in a "definitive" pronouncement but in the proposal of some teaching which leads to a better understanding of Revelation in matters of faith and morals and to moral directives derived from such teaching.* One must therefore take into account the proper character of every exercise of the Magisterium, considering the extent to which its authority is engaged. It is also to be borne in mind that all acts of the Magisterium derive from the same source, that is, from Christ who desires that His People walk in the entire truth. For this same reason, *magisterial decisions in matters of discipline, even if they are not guaranteed by the charism of infallibility, are not without divine assistance and call for the adherence of the faithful.* *18. The Roman Pontiff fulfills his universal mission with the help of the various bodies of the Roman Curia and in particular with that of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in matters of doctrine and morals. Consequently, the documents issued by this Congregation expressly approved by the Pope participate in the ordinary magisterium of the successor of Peter.(18”* “23. When the Magisterium of the Church makes an infallible pronouncement and solemnly declares that a teaching is found in Revelation, the assent called for is that of theological faith. *This kind of adherence is to be given even to the teaching of the ordinary and universal Magisterium when it proposes for belief a teaching of faith as divinely revealed.* When the Magisterium proposes "in a definitive way" truths concerning faith and morals, which, even if not divinely revealed, are nevertheless strictly and intimately connected with Revelation, these must be firmly accepted and held.(22) *When the Magisterium, not intending to act "definitively", teaches a doctrine to aid a better understanding of Revelation and make explicit its contents, or to recall how some teaching is in conformity with the truths of faith, or finally to guard against ideas that are incompatible with these truths, the response called for is that of the religious submission of will and intellect.(23)* This kind of response cannot be simply exterior or disciplinary but must be understood within the logic of faith and under the impulse of obedience to the faith.” It goes on to speak of dissent: “33. Dissent has different aspects. In its most radical form, it aims at changing the Church following a model of protest which takes its inspiration from political society. More frequently, it is asserted that the theologian is not bound to adhere to any Magisterial teaching unless it is infallible. Thus a Kind of theological positivism is adopted, according to which, doctrines proposed without exercise of the charism of infallibility are said to have no obligatory character about them, leaving the individual completely at liberty to adhere to them or not. The theologian would accordingly be totally free to raise doubts or reject the non-infallible teaching of the Magisterium particularly in the case of specific moral norms. With such critical opposition, he would even be making a contribution to the development of doctrine.” - you don't get to ignore the ordinary magisterium and claim you can pick and choose what documents you hold to. To do such a thing is to no longer hold to tradition. Again Pope Pius X and Pope Pius XII in addition to Donum Veritatis said it is a grave matter/sin to do so and you are not allowed. Go back to paragraph 30 to see what it says in cases where theologians have difficulty with a document: “30. If, despite a loyal effort on the theologian's part, the difficulties persist, the theologian has the duty to make known to the Magisterial authorities the problems raised by the teaching in itself, in the arguments proposed to justify it, or even in the manner in which it is presented. He should do this in an evangelical spirit and with a profound desire to resolve the difficulties. His objections could then contribute to real progress and provide a stimulus to the Magisterium to propose the teaching of the Church in greater depth and with a clearer presentation of the arguments. In cases like these, the theologian should avoid turning to the "mass media", but have recourse to the responsible authority, for it is not by seeking to exert the pressure of public opinion that one contributes to the clarification of doctrinal issues and renders servite to the truth.” - note that going to social media is not how their concerns are to be addressed so every theologian and self professed theologian that does this is openly and publically dissenting thus committing a grave matter/sin. To claim you don't have to ascent to a teaching from the ordinary magisterium due to not being infallibly taught is dissent which is a grave matter - this is unanimously taught amount the manulalists and Vatican II confirms it in its acts.
@@irishandscottish1829Why does quoting our Holy Saints and the Holy Bible make someone "Holier than thou"? And, why do these quotes make you so angry?
Father… a blessing in the case of a disaster is about coping with the disaster. It’s not about anything the document is promoting in such a way that seems to unavoidably lead to scandal or confusion if ever done in a public setting. Blessing people in the midst of a disaster has always been a given (without the need for a confusing document).
Praying for you Father don't let yourself be lead by a wolf in sheep's clothing, ask for a sign and confirmation from Jesus, he consider these relationships As an abomination,
African Bishops in general are upright, brave men. Many of them have been dealing with life threatening situations during their whole lives, even ready for martyrdom without ever showing a sign of fear or weakness in their faith. That's why their whole congregations loves and respect them. It would be a blessing for the Church to have one of those brave men as a Pope, like a fearless lion eager to give his life for his family.
Indeed. Cardinal Sarah would make an excellent pope in my estimation.
It would be great to have an African Bishop as Pope. The time right.
This is very strange! Because if the gay couple is on the mass, when the priest give the blessing in the end, this bless will bless that couple! And the document doesn't ask for the identification of the ones wanting blessing. And the couple doesn't need to declare that it is same sex!!! Rotten excuse of some African bishops!!!!!!!
@@mistermonqui819 Let's hope and pray that he or someone very like him will be our next pope!
Yes, African Church is full of holy Spirit, while the Western one is dying ......
Here's is the biggest problem with this as a priest:
If you bless them and you do not lead them to repentance, then you have led them astray and are guilty yourself. You will have legitimized their abomination
Exactly. The Bible is VERY explicit in both new and old testaments that homosexuality is a mortal sin that leads to hell. If priests start to affirm this sin, the priests will be committing the true act of evil.
Really? I have people come up for a blessing each and every Mass. They don't receive Jesus because they are in irregular unions. Is blessing them leading them astray? Am I guilty of legitimizing their irregular relationship?
Maybe you are deacon.... maybe you are. You best hope that you are doing God's will and not your own. Satan is very crafty and will easily trick you. God is very specific on how He feels about homosexuality
If they are not trying to turn away from this “irregular” sin, which means they stop living together and become celibate and they are continually asking for a blessing then yes you are guilty of legitimizing their sin.
OK, so, why don't you just mind your own sins and let other do the same?
"Our Lord is already too much offended." - Our Lady of La Salette
Yes, for bishops publicly discussing a matter that should be discussed with prayers and with the Pope himself.
Do the document ask for identification of moral status? So if a couple of a man a and a woman asks for the blessing, the priest will ask for their moral ID? Don't make me laugh. The church is blessing them for ages, just if they go to a mass and wait for the final blessing! And if a homo couple do the same? Will you ask for their status? WE are seeing the birth of new Lutrhers, that know more than the Pope. And more, for what we are seeing, looks like there is a huge line of same sex couples asking for this blessing. I don't see any.
This is so wrong and my heart breaks to see these excuses. “In those days even the elect will be deceived”
Case in point.
This comment is embarrassing and aged like milk
BRAVO 🎉 FOR OUR BISHOPS IN AFRICA !
The Bishops in Africa make it simple ! No confusion! They help us understand blessing people without blessing sinful behavior! Follow our African leaders !
And I'm sure, if Cardinal Sara was the Pope, we wouldn't be talking about this!
Yet the Americans and Europeans are trying to tangle the faithful in a web of deceit.
So does Fiducia Supplicans in paragraph 5.
DICASTERY FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH
Declaration
Fiducia Supplicans
On the Pastoral Meaning of Blessings
5. This is also the understanding of marriage that is offered by the Gospel. For this reason, when it comes to blessings, the Church has the right and the duty to avoid any rite that might contradict this conviction or lead to confusion. Such is also the meaning of the Responsum of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which states that the Church does not have the power to impart blessings on unions of persons of the same sex.
Viva Cristo Rei!
Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre is still praying for his Africa.
Oh Fr. Mark. Prayers for clarity 🙏 prayers for you and the flock you are guiding. Please cling to the Good Shepherd. We the sheep need strong clear voices. We want to be led to green pastures and eternal life...be strong for us and don't lead the sheep astray🙏
Fr Mark does have a clear strong voice. Can't you see that he is not afraid of the truth even though he is getting persecuted by people commenting against him. It looks like he knows the faith quite well and he knows that going against the Magesterium is a grave sin. The Document is perfectly fine and the Magesterium cannot error. It is comments like yours who are leading people astray.
pointing out error and danger in an erroneous analysis, is not persecution.
@@ClaymanS are you the teacher of the Magesterium? Why do you put yourself in such a position..
@@ClaymanS people commenting that Fr Mark needs prayers because there is something wrong with him etc is persecution because he is getting falsley accused for being mentally sick all for speaking the truth about the Catholic faith.
I see poor Fr Goring is still swinging that shovel. 🙏
God will bless the African bishops.❤
God bless all bishops - those obedient to the Holy See and those who oppose.
Dear@@randall8379, ha! I see what you did there! This is an informal blessing, so it can be applied even those in the sin of disobedience!! Good one!!
This breaks my heart, Father. I cannot give it a thumbs up and haven’t in the last few videos. The brave African bishops are speaking truth, not out of fear from their government, but out of love of God’s word. I pray for you.
Father is explaining too much..😢🙏🌹🌹🌹The Seven Sorrows of our Lady for Father.🌹🌹🌹🙏😥
Perhaps you have misunderstood the document since the document does not teach that homosexual sins or unions should be blessed. Read it for yourself.
Same here, I can't give him a thumbs up. Ever since I started listening to Fr Mark I would immediately give him a thumbs up just as the videos would begin. But ever since he started defending this document I just can't. We will continue praying for him.
This didn’t age well. Shame on you. Delete your comment.
Remember to pray your Rosary. Pray for our Pope, our Bishops and our Priests.
Prayers for Fr.Mark
Strive1974 - Fr. Mark is a holy priest and he is trying to look at the document from a different perspective trying not to contradict it. He is not faking it, I really believe that if he didn't agree with it, he would not only tell us but he would also do what many other priest may be afraid to try. He believes what he is saying, on the other hand the African Bishop is stating his opinion also knowing how some bishops, cardinal operate as he probably has met many of them. But both are right and yet they have different opinions. Issues in the Church are complicated that is why the Vatican has to be very carful when trying to introduce things that are questionable. And it seems that a lot of stuff is Comming out that is completely outrageous. I was a defender of the Vatican in the past. Unfortunately I can no longer defend them, after all these controversial issues. And the "surprises" that "the Holy Spirit" may bring us. Enough is enough.
One priest mentioned as I had stated on the outset, that individuals should come to get a blessing, not as a couple!
✝️❤️🔥 Saint Augustine cautioned, "Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it. As a shepherd of the flock, do not shy away from confronting wrong." ✝️✝️✝️❤️
The magisterium (consisting of both the extraordinary magisterium and the ordinary magisterium) is explicit that Catholics MUST ascent to it - we aren’t Protestants who pick and chose what we ascent to!
Do you trust Pope Pius X words?
In praestantia scripturae (on the Bible against modernists)
“Wherefore we find it necessary to declare and to expressly prescribe, and by this our act *we do declare and decree that all are bound in conscience to submit to the decisions of the Biblical Commission relating to doctrine, which have been given in the past and which shall be given in the future, in the same way as to the decrees of the Roman congregations approved by the Pontiff;* nor can all those escape the note of disobedience or temerity, and consequently of grave sin, who in speech or writing contradict such decisions, and this besides the scandal they give and the other reasons for which they may be responsible before God for other temerities and errors which generally go with such contradictions.”
Fiducia Supplicans is from a Roman congregation approved by the Pope.
St. Pope Pius X is clear when he wrote:
“all are bound in conscience to submit to the decisions of the Biblical Commission relating to doctrine, which have been given in the past and which shall be given in the future, in the same way as to the decrees of the Roman congregations approved by the Pontiff”
St. Pope Pius X then goes on to say about those who deny them, refuse to ascent to them or try to contradict them such as dissenting from them:
“nor can all those escape the note of disobedience or temerity, and consequently of grave sin, who in speech or writing contradict such decisions, and this besides the scandal they give and the other reasons for which they may be responsible before God for other temerities and errors which generally go with such contradictions.”
Humanae Generis from Pope Pius XII magisterium:
*”20. Nor must it be thought that what is expounded in Encyclical Letters does not of itself demand consent, since in writing such Letters the Popes do not exercise the supreme power of their Teaching Authority. For these matters are taught with the ordinary teaching authority, of which it is true to say: "He who heareth you, heareth me";[3] and generally what is expounded and inculcated in Encyclical Letters already for other reasons appertains to Catholic doctrine. But if the Supreme Pontiffs in their official documents purposely pass judgment on a matter up to that time under dispute, it is obvious that that matter, according to the mind and will of the Pontiffs, cannot be any longer considered a question open to discussion among theologians.”*
“21. It is also true that theologians must always return to the sources of divine revelation: for it belongs to them to point out how the doctrine of the living Teaching Authority is to be found either explicitly or implicitly in the Scriptures and in Tradition.[4] Besides, each source of divinely revealed doctrine contains so many rich treasures of truth, that they can really never be exhausted. Hence it is that theology through the study of its sacred sources remains ever fresh; on the other hand, speculation which neglects a deeper search into the deposit of faith, proves sterile, as we know from experience. But for this reason even positive theology cannot be on a par with merely historical science. For, together with the sources of positive theology God has given to His Church a living Teaching Authority to elucidate and explain what is contained in the deposit of faith only obscurely and implicitly. This deposit of faith our Divine Redeemer has given for authentic interpretation not to each of the faithful, not even to theologians, but only to the Teaching Authority of the Church. But if the Church does exercise this function of teaching, as she often has through the centuries, either in the ordinary or in the extraordinary way, it is clear how false is a procedure which would attempt to explain what is clear by means of what is obscure. Indeed, the very opposite procedure must be used. Hence Our Predecessor of immortal memory, Pius IX, teaching that the most noble office of theology is to show how a doctrine defined by the Church is contained in the sources of revelation, added these words, and with very good reason: "in that sense in which it has been defined by the Church."”
*”27. Some say they are not bound by the doctrine, explained in Our Encyclical Letter of a few years ago, and based on the Sources of Revelation, which teaches that the Mystical Body of Christ and the Roman Catholic Church are one and the same thing.[6] Some reduce to a meaningless formula the necessity of belonging to the true Church in order to gain eternal salvation. Others finally belittle the reasonable character of the credibility of Christian faith.”*
- here it says you are bound by what is taught in encyclical letters.
Donum Veritatis also confirmed this:
“17. Divine assistance is also given to the successors of the apostles teaching in communion with the successor of Peter, and *in a particular way, to the Roman Pontiff as Pastor of the whole Church, when exercising their ordinary Magisterium, even should this not issue in an infallible definition or in a "definitive" pronouncement but in the proposal of some teaching which leads to a better understanding of Revelation in matters of faith and morals and to moral directives derived from such teaching.*
One must therefore take into account the proper character of every exercise of the Magisterium, considering the extent to which its authority is engaged. It is also to be borne in mind that all acts of the Magisterium derive from the same source, that is, from Christ who desires that His People walk in the entire truth. For this same reason, *magisterial decisions in matters of discipline, even if they are not guaranteed by the charism of infallibility, are not without divine assistance and call for the adherence of the faithful.*
*18. The Roman Pontiff fulfills his universal mission with the help of the various bodies of the Roman Curia and in particular with that of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in matters of doctrine and morals. Consequently, the documents issued by this Congregation expressly approved by the Pope participate in the ordinary magisterium of the successor of Peter.(18”*
“23. When the Magisterium of the Church makes an infallible pronouncement and solemnly declares that a teaching is found in Revelation, the assent called for is that of theological faith. *This kind of adherence is to be given even to the teaching of the ordinary and universal Magisterium when it proposes for belief a teaching of faith as divinely revealed.*
When the Magisterium proposes "in a definitive way" truths concerning faith and morals, which, even if not divinely revealed, are nevertheless strictly and intimately connected with Revelation, these must be firmly accepted and held.(22)
*When the Magisterium, not intending to act "definitively", teaches a doctrine to aid a better understanding of Revelation and make explicit its contents, or to recall how some teaching is in conformity with the truths of faith, or finally to guard against ideas that are incompatible with these truths, the response called for is that of the religious submission of will and intellect.(23)*
This kind of response cannot be simply exterior or disciplinary but must be understood within the logic of faith and under the impulse of obedience to the faith.”
It goes on to speak of dissent:
“33. Dissent has different aspects. In its most radical form, it aims at changing the Church following a model of protest which takes its inspiration from political society. More frequently, it is asserted that the theologian is not bound to adhere to any Magisterial teaching unless it is infallible. Thus a Kind of theological positivism is adopted, according to which, doctrines proposed without exercise of the charism of infallibility are said to have no obligatory character about them, leaving the individual completely at liberty to adhere to them or not. The theologian would accordingly be totally free to raise doubts or reject the non-infallible teaching of the Magisterium particularly in the case of specific moral norms. With such critical opposition, he would even be making a contribution to the development of doctrine.”
- you don't get to ignore the ordinary magisterium and claim you can pick and choose what documents you hold to. To do such a thing is to no longer hold to tradition. Again Pope Pius X and Pope Pius XII in addition to Donum Veritatis said it is a grave matter/sin to do so and you are not allowed.
Go back to paragraph 30 to see what it says in cases where theologians have difficulty with a document:
“30. If, despite a loyal effort on the theologian's part, the difficulties persist, the theologian has the duty to make known to the Magisterial authorities the problems raised by the teaching in itself, in the arguments proposed to justify it, or even in the manner in which it is presented. He should do this in an evangelical spirit and with a profound desire to resolve the difficulties. His objections could then contribute to real progress and provide a stimulus to the Magisterium to propose the teaching of the Church in greater depth and with a clearer presentation of the arguments.
In cases like these, the theologian should avoid turning to the "mass media", but have recourse to the responsible authority, for it is not by seeking to exert the pressure of public opinion that one contributes to the clarification of doctrinal issues and renders servite to the truth.”
- note that going to social media is not how their concerns are to be addressed so every theologian and self professed theologian that does this is openly and publically dissenting thus committing a grave matter/sin.
To claim you don't have to ascent to a teaching from the ordinary magisterium due to not being infallibly taught is dissent which is a grave matter - this is unanimously taught amount the manulalists and Vatican II confirms it in its acts.
Imagine if St Ambrose never forgave St. Augustine.. St Augustine would be the first ro thank God for his mercy when he was living his incredibly sinful lifestyle. Praise God for his mercy abounds!
@@irishandscottish1829 I think you are absolutely right, but I fear many Catholics have fallen into what Pope Benedict XVI called the "supreme magisterium of conscience in opposition to the Magisterium to the Church," in Donum Veritatis
Stop the narrative. That is not the blessing that is discussed in the document. It talks about blessing irregular unions, gay people don't go to church holding hands and kissing after the blessing. A priest that goes out to the private sector is to bless a union/couple, and those are hypocrites of the church and don't believe. Otherwise, they would fear God for wrongdoing and won't do the blessing of active sinners. Love to see how some try deceiving us with vague ideas, examples that don't apply to the intent of the Pope and Fernandez. The Bible is clear, I think Bergolio is not listening to the Holy Spirit, cause such wouldn't contradict what is written, I believe he is listening to the devil himself. Remember what Jesus said, there will be false prophets, stay away.
❤ Matthew 6:24. "No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other." The African bishops are correct
Agree 100%
The African Bishops should know Catholics must ascent to the ordinary magisterium - if they don’t they shouldn’t be Bishops.
Do you trust Pope Pius X words?
In praestantia scripturae (on the Bible against modernists)
“Wherefore we find it necessary to declare and to expressly prescribe, and by this our act *we do declare and decree that all are bound in conscience to submit to the decisions of the Biblical Commission relating to doctrine, which have been given in the past and which shall be given in the future, in the same way as to the decrees of the Roman congregations approved by the Pontiff;* nor can all those escape the note of disobedience or temerity, and consequently of grave sin, who in speech or writing contradict such decisions, and this besides the scandal they give and the other reasons for which they may be responsible before God for other temerities and errors which generally go with such contradictions.”
Fiducia Supplicans is from a Roman congregation approved by the Pope.
St. Pope Pius X is clear when he wrote:
“all are bound in conscience to submit to the decisions of the Biblical Commission relating to doctrine, which have been given in the past and which shall be given in the future, in the same way as to the decrees of the Roman congregations approved by the Pontiff”
St. Pope Pius X then goes on to say about those who deny them, refuse to ascent to them or try to contradict them such as dissenting from them:
“nor can all those escape the note of disobedience or temerity, and consequently of grave sin, who in speech or writing contradict such decisions, and this besides the scandal they give and the other reasons for which they may be responsible before God for other temerities and errors which generally go with such contradictions.”
Humanae Generis from Pope Pius XII magisterium:
*”20. Nor must it be thought that what is expounded in Encyclical Letters does not of itself demand consent, since in writing such Letters the Popes do not exercise the supreme power of their Teaching Authority. For these matters are taught with the ordinary teaching authority, of which it is true to say: "He who heareth you, heareth me";[3] and generally what is expounded and inculcated in Encyclical Letters already for other reasons appertains to Catholic doctrine. But if the Supreme Pontiffs in their official documents purposely pass judgment on a matter up to that time under dispute, it is obvious that that matter, according to the mind and will of the Pontiffs, cannot be any longer considered a question open to discussion among theologians.”*
“21. It is also true that theologians must always return to the sources of divine revelation: for it belongs to them to point out how the doctrine of the living Teaching Authority is to be found either explicitly or implicitly in the Scriptures and in Tradition.[4] Besides, each source of divinely revealed doctrine contains so many rich treasures of truth, that they can really never be exhausted. Hence it is that theology through the study of its sacred sources remains ever fresh; on the other hand, speculation which neglects a deeper search into the deposit of faith, proves sterile, as we know from experience. But for this reason even positive theology cannot be on a par with merely historical science. For, together with the sources of positive theology God has given to His Church a living Teaching Authority to elucidate and explain what is contained in the deposit of faith only obscurely and implicitly. This deposit of faith our Divine Redeemer has given for authentic interpretation not to each of the faithful, not even to theologians, but only to the Teaching Authority of the Church. But if the Church does exercise this function of teaching, as she often has through the centuries, either in the ordinary or in the extraordinary way, it is clear how false is a procedure which would attempt to explain what is clear by means of what is obscure. Indeed, the very opposite procedure must be used. Hence Our Predecessor of immortal memory, Pius IX, teaching that the most noble office of theology is to show how a doctrine defined by the Church is contained in the sources of revelation, added these words, and with very good reason: "in that sense in which it has been defined by the Church."”
*”27. Some say they are not bound by the doctrine, explained in Our Encyclical Letter of a few years ago, and based on the Sources of Revelation, which teaches that the Mystical Body of Christ and the Roman Catholic Church are one and the same thing.[6] Some reduce to a meaningless formula the necessity of belonging to the true Church in order to gain eternal salvation. Others finally belittle the reasonable character of the credibility of Christian faith.”*
- here it says you are bound by what is taught in encyclical letters.
Donum Veritatis also confirmed this:
“17. Divine assistance is also given to the successors of the apostles teaching in communion with the successor of Peter, and *in a particular way, to the Roman Pontiff as Pastor of the whole Church, when exercising their ordinary Magisterium, even should this not issue in an infallible definition or in a "definitive" pronouncement but in the proposal of some teaching which leads to a better understanding of Revelation in matters of faith and morals and to moral directives derived from such teaching.*
One must therefore take into account the proper character of every exercise of the Magisterium, considering the extent to which its authority is engaged. It is also to be borne in mind that all acts of the Magisterium derive from the same source, that is, from Christ who desires that His People walk in the entire truth. For this same reason, *magisterial decisions in matters of discipline, even if they are not guaranteed by the charism of infallibility, are not without divine assistance and call for the adherence of the faithful.*
*18. The Roman Pontiff fulfills his universal mission with the help of the various bodies of the Roman Curia and in particular with that of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in matters of doctrine and morals. Consequently, the documents issued by this Congregation expressly approved by the Pope participate in the ordinary magisterium of the successor of Peter.(18”*
“23. When the Magisterium of the Church makes an infallible pronouncement and solemnly declares that a teaching is found in Revelation, the assent called for is that of theological faith. *This kind of adherence is to be given even to the teaching of the ordinary and universal Magisterium when it proposes for belief a teaching of faith as divinely revealed.*
When the Magisterium proposes "in a definitive way" truths concerning faith and morals, which, even if not divinely revealed, are nevertheless strictly and intimately connected with Revelation, these must be firmly accepted and held.(22)
*When the Magisterium, not intending to act "definitively", teaches a doctrine to aid a better understanding of Revelation and make explicit its contents, or to recall how some teaching is in conformity with the truths of faith, or finally to guard against ideas that are incompatible with these truths, the response called for is that of the religious submission of will and intellect.(23)*
This kind of response cannot be simply exterior or disciplinary but must be understood within the logic of faith and under the impulse of obedience to the faith.”
It goes on to speak of dissent:
“33. Dissent has different aspects. In its most radical form, it aims at changing the Church following a model of protest which takes its inspiration from political society. More frequently, it is asserted that the theologian is not bound to adhere to any Magisterial teaching unless it is infallible. Thus a Kind of theological positivism is adopted, according to which, doctrines proposed without exercise of the charism of infallibility are said to have no obligatory character about them, leaving the individual completely at liberty to adhere to them or not. The theologian would accordingly be totally free to raise doubts or reject the non-infallible teaching of the Magisterium particularly in the case of specific moral norms. With such critical opposition, he would even be making a contribution to the development of doctrine.”
- you don't get to ignore the ordinary magisterium and claim you can pick and choose what documents you hold to. To do such a thing is to no longer hold to tradition. Again Pope Pius X and Pope Pius XII in addition to Donum Veritatis said it is a grave matter/sin to do so and you are not allowed.
Go back to paragraph 30 to see what it says in cases where theologians have difficulty with a document:
“30. If, despite a loyal effort on the theologian's part, the difficulties persist, the theologian has the duty to make known to the Magisterial authorities the problems raised by the teaching in itself, in the arguments proposed to justify it, or even in the manner in which it is presented. He should do this in an evangelical spirit and with a profound desire to resolve the difficulties. His objections could then contribute to real progress and provide a stimulus to the Magisterium to propose the teaching of the Church in greater depth and with a clearer presentation of the arguments.
In cases like these, the theologian should avoid turning to the "mass media", but have recourse to the responsible authority, for it is not by seeking to exert the pressure of public opinion that one contributes to the clarification of doctrinal issues and renders servite to the truth.”
- note that going to social media is not how their concerns are to be addressed so every theologian and self professed theologian that does this is openly and publically dissenting thus committing a grave matter/sin.
To claim you don't have to ascent to a teaching from the ordinary magisterium due to not being infallibly taught is dissent which is a grave matter - this is unanimously taught amount the manulalists and Vatican II confirms it in its acts.
@@irishandscottish1829You should speak to the cohabitating in your parish ...encourage them to precana instruction and confession! .
@@donnaberube5480 ahh an awful lot of presumption (sin) there on your part assuming I don’t just because I quoted from the ordinary magisterium…
Psalm 1:1-2 Blessed is the man who walks not in the counsel of the wicked, nor stands in the way of sinners, nor sits in the seat of scoffers; but his delight is in the law of the Lord, and on his law he meditates day and night.
Yes. Let us not be scoffers. Let us not mock the Church and her visible head, the pope.
Thank you for this reminder.
Yes, follow the pope. even if he's showing he is a false pope. No thanks, I'll follow Jesus and this pope like other false popes is showing he's following the devil more than Jesus. Jesus would never have allowed homosexuals to become priests and now the church is reaping " what it has sown." But it is all good because this division is serving a purpose, showing who the true Christians are.
Dear@@juryklymko703, please don't play the "Jesus would never [fill in the blank] game. Look instead at what He did do.
The cardinal electors prayed for God to show His Will as they dropped the ballots in the box to elect the new pope in 2013.
Pope Francis does not need to be your choice. He was God's choice. Let us make the best of him until God gives us another pope. Love him. Pray for him. And when he is trying to close down the liberal bishops, don't keep handing the victory to the liberals by saying "the pope is blessing same-sex UNIONS."
If the pope wanted same-sex unions, he had only to let the German Synodal Way HAVE their way, instead of doing everything possible to shut them down.
You can not bless sin no matter the circumstances. Charity and support, love for thy neighbor, yes always.
Amen, and this is exactly what the document teaches
@@johne2815 Where in the document does it teach that?
@@2Hosea "Therefore, rites and prayers that could create confusion between what constitutes marriage-which is the 'exclusive, stable, and indissoluble union between a man and a woman, naturally open to the generation of children'-and what contradicts it are inadmissible. This conviction is grounded in the perennial Catholic doctrine of marriage; it is only in this context that sexual relations find their natural, proper, and fully human meaning. The Church’s doctrine on this point remains firm" (para 4).
"Such is also the meaning of the Responsum of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which states that the Church does not have the power to impart blessings on unions of persons of the same sex" (para 5).
The document is clear that the sinful union is not to be blessed. Rather, sinners (even two sinners coming together) seeking God's mercy and grace to live a holier life should not be denied a blessing to do so.
Dear@@johne2815, exactly!!
So many people think they are defying the Magisterial Declaration, when they totally agree with it! It is so surprising to me how they prefer to live in fear and anger, instead of realizing that the pope is protecting us from falling into the same sad state as our faithful Catholic brothers and sisters in Germany and Belgium are in!
I stand with the African bishops. I also remember reading Sodom and Gomorrah in the Old Testament. I believe what God says is the truth. Praying for you Father Goring.
I think you have missed the point. Fr. Goring has the heart of a priest, the Heart of Christ, Spontaneous blessings are for the purpose of speaking the Name of Jesus over those who need the mercy of God.
They do not affirm sinful behavior.
But what happened to us Catholics that we can hear the words of the Magisterium -- the words approved by the visible Head of the Church, to whom the True Head of the Church Jesus Christ has given all authority to teach and to guide the Church -- and we, who call ourselves "Catholics", raise OBJECTIONS?
That has NEVER been the way of the Catholic Church!
Catholics TRUST JESUS to protect HIS Church. Jesus spoke the Truth when He said that the gates of Hell would never prevail over His Church.
A speech by the Catholic Bishop, Martin Anwel Mtumbuka of Africa, makes clear the objection to Fiducia Supplicans is not a matter of expedience. Instead this bishop asserts that the blessing of a couple in a sinful relationship is heretical.
He is not alone in this oppinion.
His speach is available on this platform under the title, "Hurt Scandal & Heresy Bishop Martin Adwel Mtumbuka rejecting Fiducia Supplicans."
@@PadraigTomas I am sure bishop Mtumbuka is a nice person, but we Catholics already have a Pope, and bishop Mtumbaka ain't him.
@@PadraigTomasare you Protestant?
Only Protestants assert their own popes…
It is sacrilege for a priest to bless a homosexual couple unless they are persenting themselves for conversion that includes a repentance of their sinful lifestle and renunciation any worldly ideological commitments. They must also ask for the grace of celibate chastity and resolve to remove any near occasions of sin (which may require moving out and not living together). Only under these conditions can a blessing be offered for their relationship. Like blessing an AA member and his sponsor-sober and determined mutual support for a new life that puts the past behind.
I stand with Bishop Martin Anwel!!! Many holy priests like St. John Vianney truly worked day and night to do in accordance with God's holy will!
Father Mark Goring has made it clear that he is no longer Catholic but a mouth-piece for the New Francis Agenda. All of us offering him correction need to UNSUBSCRIBE from his channel IMMEDIATELY! His double speak and popesplaining is leading many into schism.
You don't want to stand with the Church and her legitimate authority on this matter? The Vatican has spoken true and clear. Now you either side with the Church or you don't.
St. John Vianney did work day and night to do God's holy will, AND in keeping with God's will he was obedient to his superiors (his bishops and the Supreme Pontiff).
"That this full obedience of his [St. John Vianney] to the commands of his superiors rested on supernatural principles; in acknowledging and duly obeying ecclesiastical authority, he was paying the homage of faith to the words of Christ the Lord as He told His Apostles "He who hears you, hears me." (43) To conform himself faithfully to the will of his superiors he habitually restrained his own will, whether in accepting the holy burdens of hearing Confessions, or in performing zealously for his colleagues in the apostolate such work as would produce richer and more saving fruits." (SACERDOTII NOSTRI PRIMORDIA, Ph 29).
Perhaps we could learn something about obedience from St. Vianney following the declaration of Fiducia supplicans.
So you believe that Pope Francis is able to teach or promote dogmatic heresy?
@@eabm1984 Of course not. Why would you suggest that?
African bishops are saying no blessing to sin no, no blessing because it is against legislation. There is also difference between blessing sinful as couple and blessing sinful in the dangerous situation. “We are not idiots” said bishop.
Exactly...we are no idiots
When I was a smoker I would confess my regular sinning with near certain knowledge that I would probably light up a smoke shortly after confessing. One day, during confession, God literally just took the addiction away. We are so blessed. And thanks for all those blessings I didn't and don't live up to.
A blessing from "Fiddler on the Roof" comes to mind. Someone comes to the Rabbi and asks if there is a proper blessing for the Czar. The Rabbi thinks for a moment and then says, "May God bless and keep the Czar -- far away from us!"
The blessing is a scandal regardless of how you try to sugar coat it. Fr. Mark, you are entitled to your opinion. I suggest you learn from this faithful African Bishop. Priests were able to do personal blessings without this change, which shows the real agenda.
Exactly!
Amen 🙏🏼
If we don’t hold the line for Christ the Catholic Church will turn into the Anglican communion. Once they turned into a gay rights group they just shut the doors on all their churches. Nobody attends. Least of all the practicing gays.
Agree!
Thank you
That's right.
Prayers for you Father…
Prayers for a very deluded and invincibly ignorant man.
The example this Father gives isn't pertinent to Pope Francis' new declaration. If a natural disaster or something equally destructive has struck an area, then the priest's blessings are assumed by EVERYONE to be for help for the people, whoever they are, to get through and recover from their trauma. No declaration needed to be written for situations like that. The blessing called for in this declaration (once you sort out all the deliberate ambiguity and doublespeak) is a blessing specifically for the couple AS a couple who fully intend to continue living their grievously sinful relationship with no repentance. You'd have to be awfully naive to imagine that a gay (or other "irregular" couple) would seek such a blessing together as a couple to strengthen their resolve to repent and live celibately. If an INDIVIDUAL such person had a spiritual director and was repentant and struggling to stop the sinning and live celibately, so they ask the priest privately for a blessing to help them repent, such a blessing could already be given -- this declaration isn't needed for that. That's why I see it as intentional obfuscation and doublespeak of its real intent -- because if it's real intent is only what this Father claims, then there was no need for the declaration.
Amen brother he needs them. Pray CLARITY for ALL priests and clerics at this time.
This priest's support for the so-called "same sex blessings" reveals more about him than he realizes.
Indeed it does!@@jm08050
Church needs to follow the African Bishops. They have the courage and truth in all this. We listen to God, not man. Gods word and law doesn’t change
Thank you!
What are you talking about? Catholicism teaches that you listen to both God and man. This is because it recognises that God speaks through man. This is the entire reason Christ established a church so that we listen to man given authority here on earth.
God bless you for understanding the truth...
@@takmaps this whole, love is love thing is going to get more sickening...and man is going to change with the times.
We listen to men only if it doesn’t contradict church teaching that’s why it’s important to know our faith,,
The good shepherd gives his life for his sheep. Please father, stop squirming and face the music, the reality of the situation we are in today in the Catholic church. We know where this is coming from and where they want to take it with this word salad document. We all have to be prepared to stand up and be counted.
Traditional Catholic teaching is that a Catholic should not assume bad intentions of the Magisterium and read the Magisterium in an attitude of suspicion, but, rather, approach the Magisterium in the spirit of a student that wants to humbly listen to what the teacher has to say. Fiducia Supplicans does not contradict the tradition of the church in any way, but, rather, gives great advice to priests that no one is too sinful to receive a blessing from God to live a holier life.
Interesting that you mention traditional teaching.
Perhaps it would have been a good idea to simply reiterate traditional church guidance and teaching on sin and in particular the necessity to avoid occasions of sin for individuals in these situations and protecting the reputation of the priest, not to mention avoiding scandals.
The salvation of souls seems to be overshadowed by an attempt to please the world while claiming that nothing has changed. It's not like this is a big surprise and we weren't expecting it unless like most get along go along catholics today, you were oblivious to what has been happening in the church for the last fifty-some years or you have already left and joined the world to which you were so warmly introduced.
Sorry my friend, it doesn't fly.
@@ClaymanS So you are of the opinion that the Church has defected from the faith then? Don't squirm out of the question. By the way, have you read said document in a spirit of docility and prayer?
I am just another concerned Catholic who has been watching the gradual undermining of the faith for the 45 years that I have been a Catholic
The church is the immaculate bride of Christ and is indefectable but men aren't.
The pope is infallible when pronouncing on faith and morals excathedra but it is interesting that to my understanding there hasn't been a clear infallible excathedra pronouncement since before Vatican II and that speaks volumes about the confusion and modernist influence in the church and how these "word salad " documents are used to change religious practices while claiming that nothing has changed doctrinally.
The situation in the church is very grave, and go along, get along Catholics will be lost in the sunami of error and confusion being thrust upon them.
Our Lord has sent His mother to warn us many times about what we are seeing now in Rome.
Approved apparitions like Our Lady of good success in Quito Ecuador, Lassalette, and Fatima tell us much about the "diabolic disorientation" of our times.
@@ClaymanS The Pope is infallible when presenting a truth in an ex cathedra formula, but that's not the only time the pope teaches infallibly. For example, Pope John Paul II taught infallibly that women can't be ordained to the priesthood in his document called Ordinatio Sacerdotalis, however he didn't use an ex cathedra "formula" for this statement. However, yes, infallible teachings by popes are rare.
Nonetheless, we still must give our submission of intellect and will to even nondefinitive teachings of the magisterium (Lumen Gentium 25). Pope Pius X said that it is a sin of grave matter to publicly dissent against a document by one of the Roman congregations that is approved by the pope, which is what Fiducia Supplicans is. The Magisterium is our fathers, and, like any father, you shouldn't just listen to him when he speaks in the most authoritative way to you. That is when great divisions in families develop, and, that is also when schism develops in the church.
Because of my profound conversion 16 years ago, I did experience what many have described as an illumination of conscience. I saw what looked like Jesus on the Cross emitting white and red rays of light while I was praying the Divine Mercy chaplets continuously with my nine-year-old son. I was in ecstasy with the joy of tears coming from my eyes. I was a prodigal son with a hardened heart brought back to life, having led a life of promiscuity, so there are hopes for others especially those with sexual sins. Convert now.
Thank you! This is what the pope is looking to do -- to stop the false theology of the liberal German Synodal Way, and to open wide the floodgates of Mercy, through simple blessings, freely offered!!
❤ Isaiah 5:20 "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!" ✝️✝️✝️
Amen
Yes! Let us keep reminding people that the Magisterial Declaration "Fiducia Supplicans" is orthodox and aimed at rescuing the German and Belgian faithful from the liberals who would have same-sex marriages.
They have already said they will defy the Magisterium, and continue their plan to roll out books of blessings for same-sex unions!
And every time someone says, "Oh, this document is pro-LGBT sexual activities!" and "Oh, the pope is trying to get same-sex marriages!" that person is giving the devil comfort by calling a good document "evil"!!
I stand with the African bishops. Pray yes bless no.
Yes!
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You aren’t catholic then - Catholics stand by Christs bride they don’t make popes for themselves like Protestants!
Might want to learn catholic tradition on obeying the ordinary magisterium!
Do you trust Pope Pius X words?
In praestantia scripturae (on the Bible against modernists)
“Wherefore we find it necessary to declare and to expressly prescribe, and by this our act *we do declare and decree that all are bound in conscience to submit to the decisions of the Biblical Commission relating to doctrine, which have been given in the past and which shall be given in the future, in the same way as to the decrees of the Roman congregations approved by the Pontiff;* nor can all those escape the note of disobedience or temerity, and consequently of grave sin, who in speech or writing contradict such decisions, and this besides the scandal they give and the other reasons for which they may be responsible before God for other temerities and errors which generally go with such contradictions.”
Fiducia Supplicans is from a Roman congregation approved by the Pope.
St. Pope Pius X is clear when he wrote:
“all are bound in conscience to submit to the decisions of the Biblical Commission relating to doctrine, which have been given in the past and which shall be given in the future, in the same way as to the decrees of the Roman congregations approved by the Pontiff”
St. Pope Pius X then goes on to say about those who deny them, refuse to ascent to them or try to contradict them such as dissenting from them:
“nor can all those escape the note of disobedience or temerity, and consequently of grave sin, who in speech or writing contradict such decisions, and this besides the scandal they give and the other reasons for which they may be responsible before God for other temerities and errors which generally go with such contradictions.”
Humanae Generis from Pope Pius XII magisterium:
*”20. Nor must it be thought that what is expounded in Encyclical Letters does not of itself demand consent, since in writing such Letters the Popes do not exercise the supreme power of their Teaching Authority. For these matters are taught with the ordinary teaching authority, of which it is true to say: "He who heareth you, heareth me";[3] and generally what is expounded and inculcated in Encyclical Letters already for other reasons appertains to Catholic doctrine. But if the Supreme Pontiffs in their official documents purposely pass judgment on a matter up to that time under dispute, it is obvious that that matter, according to the mind and will of the Pontiffs, cannot be any longer considered a question open to discussion among theologians.”*
“21. It is also true that theologians must always return to the sources of divine revelation: for it belongs to them to point out how the doctrine of the living Teaching Authority is to be found either explicitly or implicitly in the Scriptures and in Tradition.[4] Besides, each source of divinely revealed doctrine contains so many rich treasures of truth, that they can really never be exhausted. Hence it is that theology through the study of its sacred sources remains ever fresh; on the other hand, speculation which neglects a deeper search into the deposit of faith, proves sterile, as we know from experience. But for this reason even positive theology cannot be on a par with merely historical science. For, together with the sources of positive theology God has given to His Church a living Teaching Authority to elucidate and explain what is contained in the deposit of faith only obscurely and implicitly. This deposit of faith our Divine Redeemer has given for authentic interpretation not to each of the faithful, not even to theologians, but only to the Teaching Authority of the Church. But if the Church does exercise this function of teaching, as she often has through the centuries, either in the ordinary or in the extraordinary way, it is clear how false is a procedure which would attempt to explain what is clear by means of what is obscure. Indeed, the very opposite procedure must be used. Hence Our Predecessor of immortal memory, Pius IX, teaching that the most noble office of theology is to show how a doctrine defined by the Church is contained in the sources of revelation, added these words, and with very good reason: "in that sense in which it has been defined by the Church."”
*”27. Some say they are not bound by the doctrine, explained in Our Encyclical Letter of a few years ago, and based on the Sources of Revelation, which teaches that the Mystical Body of Christ and the Roman Catholic Church are one and the same thing.[6] Some reduce to a meaningless formula the necessity of belonging to the true Church in order to gain eternal salvation. Others finally belittle the reasonable character of the credibility of Christian faith.”*
- here it says you are bound by what is taught in encyclical letters.
Donum Veritatis also confirmed this:
“17. Divine assistance is also given to the successors of the apostles teaching in communion with the successor of Peter, and *in a particular way, to the Roman Pontiff as Pastor of the whole Church, when exercising their ordinary Magisterium, even should this not issue in an infallible definition or in a "definitive" pronouncement but in the proposal of some teaching which leads to a better understanding of Revelation in matters of faith and morals and to moral directives derived from such teaching.*
One must therefore take into account the proper character of every exercise of the Magisterium, considering the extent to which its authority is engaged. It is also to be borne in mind that all acts of the Magisterium derive from the same source, that is, from Christ who desires that His People walk in the entire truth. For this same reason, *magisterial decisions in matters of discipline, even if they are not guaranteed by the charism of infallibility, are not without divine assistance and call for the adherence of the faithful.*
*18. The Roman Pontiff fulfills his universal mission with the help of the various bodies of the Roman Curia and in particular with that of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in matters of doctrine and morals. Consequently, the documents issued by this Congregation expressly approved by the Pope participate in the ordinary magisterium of the successor of Peter.(18”*
“23. When the Magisterium of the Church makes an infallible pronouncement and solemnly declares that a teaching is found in Revelation, the assent called for is that of theological faith. *This kind of adherence is to be given even to the teaching of the ordinary and universal Magisterium when it proposes for belief a teaching of faith as divinely revealed.*
When the Magisterium proposes "in a definitive way" truths concerning faith and morals, which, even if not divinely revealed, are nevertheless strictly and intimately connected with Revelation, these must be firmly accepted and held.(22)
*When the Magisterium, not intending to act "definitively", teaches a doctrine to aid a better understanding of Revelation and make explicit its contents, or to recall how some teaching is in conformity with the truths of faith, or finally to guard against ideas that are incompatible with these truths, the response called for is that of the religious submission of will and intellect.(23)*
This kind of response cannot be simply exterior or disciplinary but must be understood within the logic of faith and under the impulse of obedience to the faith.”
It goes on to speak of dissent:
“33. Dissent has different aspects. In its most radical form, it aims at changing the Church following a model of protest which takes its inspiration from political society. More frequently, it is asserted that the theologian is not bound to adhere to any Magisterial teaching unless it is infallible. Thus a Kind of theological positivism is adopted, according to which, doctrines proposed without exercise of the charism of infallibility are said to have no obligatory character about them, leaving the individual completely at liberty to adhere to them or not. The theologian would accordingly be totally free to raise doubts or reject the non-infallible teaching of the Magisterium particularly in the case of specific moral norms. With such critical opposition, he would even be making a contribution to the development of doctrine.”
- you don't get to ignore the ordinary magisterium and claim you can pick and choose what documents you hold to. To do such a thing is to no longer hold to tradition. Again Pope Pius X and Pope Pius XII in addition to Donum Veritatis said it is a grave matter/sin to do so and you are not allowed.
Go back to paragraph 30 to see what it says in cases where theologians have difficulty with a document:
“30. If, despite a loyal effort on the theologian's part, the difficulties persist, the theologian has the duty to make known to the Magisterial authorities the problems raised by the teaching in itself, in the arguments proposed to justify it, or even in the manner in which it is presented. He should do this in an evangelical spirit and with a profound desire to resolve the difficulties. His objections could then contribute to real progress and provide a stimulus to the Magisterium to propose the teaching of the Church in greater depth and with a clearer presentation of the arguments.
In cases like these, the theologian should avoid turning to the "mass media", but have recourse to the responsible authority, for it is not by seeking to exert the pressure of public opinion that one contributes to the clarification of doctrinal issues and renders servite to the truth.”
- note that going to social media is not how their concerns are to be addressed so every theologian and self professed theologian that does this is openly and publically dissenting thus committing a grave matter/sin.
To claim you don't have to ascent to a teaching from the ordinary magisterium due to not being infallibly taught is dissent which is a grave matter - this is unanimously taught amount the manulalists and Vatican II confirms it in its acts.
@@irishandscottish1829 There have been “bad” popes. What will you say when a future pope declares Pope Francis’ teachings heretical?
You keep reaching great lengths to make this document good.
Maybe pray that he doesn't pull a muscle.
trying his hardest to justify it, it's sad for real. it's plain as day this is cracking the door of evil open. but no surprise coming from this pope.
Yes! Exactly! He's stretching this so much and yet it's not a good document at all.
The main reason we cannot give an inch is once we do the LGBT mafia will overrun the church as they did Church of England which is no longer a church. The episcopal and Methodist churches no longer even speak of Jesus. They’re just gay rights advocacy groups. We MUST hold the line.
🤣🤣🤣@@lkae4
The document alone creates scandal. Mary has been warning us about this. If Mother thought it was ok, there would be NO warning the people. There is a priest who has been cancelled due to his stance on same sex but he didn’t back down, he stood his ground. Heaven help the person(s) who cancelled him. My, my, my. 💕😇🙏 Courage.
I will pray for you Father Mark, I know you are struggling with this and trying hard to make sense of it.
He is not struggling. It is very simple if you read the documents.
The document might sound orthodox, but it is a slippery slope to condone sins. Canon Lawyer Fr. Gerald Murray states that couples look to affirm their relationships, and we cannot bless sins. The document does not mention the importance of repentance, which is the hallmark of Jesus' ministry, "Repent and believe in the Gospel." For the adulterous woman, Jesus said, "Go and sin no more." That needs to be incorporated into the blessing for clarification. For couples struggling with sexual sins, either straight or gay, the best blessing would be done in the Confessional setting, not to give any appearance of condoning the relationship since we are living in a time now of hypersexualized culture and woke idealogy.
No. Father Goring is "virtue signalling" sodomy-loving Pope Francis in the vain hope that he will get a promotion.
@Heart_on_Fire_WL
The document does not sound "orthodox". The verbiage to bless unrepentant sodomites who present themselves as a "couple" is a directive scripted by Satan himself.
He is not struggling. He is clear what hia role is. You guys are the ones struggling with you Protestant understanding of ecclisiology. You want to dictate to The Magiaterium howit should be cnducted like if you are the voice of God. If you speak for God, where is your miracle proofs?
Repentance is a must ❤
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Here’s a blessing: Stop your sin, repent, revert to the faith you were taught, make a firm purpose of amendment. This is not rocket science. The church has spoken for 2000 years This document is a cover for sin and will lead to ssa marriage , the ultimate goal of the lavender gangsters.
In his heart, Fr. Mark uses his forum to fully support this Vatican declaration which is so contrary to the Church's constant teaching - no matter how he tries to spin it. His attempt at virtue signalling with the same sex couple in the hurricane hypothetical is really dishonest at best!
Agreed
I agreeeee!
Our Faith wasn't meant to be as hard to understand as this document is. Verbal gymnastics/word salad, redefine the terms...everything but the truth.
So why are you a Catholic? Can you answer me that? Do you need the holy Father and magisterium to teach you?
I am now beginning to understand why the Blessed Mother has been working overtime in Africa strengthening the faithful and their shepherds. Last year, Mary appeared at Subukia Marian Shrine in Nakuru Kenya during the National Day of Prayer that the Kenyan Bishops organize every year. The Bishops and many clergy were in attendance and they also saw her. My Parish in Kenya was there and people I know also saw her. The sun started flickering and then she emerged from it. This was just before the Mass started and then she left when the procession to the alter began. No message was given, but those who were there saw her.
Ahh so you have made for yourself your own pope/s while disregarding the one Christ appointed and also disregard Christs brides ordinary magisterium…
The message of the Blessed Holy Mother has always been…to be faithful to Jesus, to follow the Gospel and in the teachings of the true Magisterium of His Church.
Go Africa. Don't listen to the detractors who wanted to legitimise same sex union in future. Sin should not be given a foothold in the Church.
These detractors say same sex union is irregular union. It is the sin of abomination. And we called it sodomy, not irregular union.
@@irishandscottish1829, where is this coming from??
We are the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH in Kenya and are not a schismatic church. When our Bishops give us pastoral direction we are happy because they know what they are doing, and we also know what has come from the Vatican is ambiguous and open to many interpretations.
Our culture, the Natural Law, Morality, our Constitution and the Divine Law abhors unnatural behaviors like homosexuality which the West has been trying so hard to push down our throats.
Even animals don't copulate with their own gender!! This is pure common sense!!! We will stand firm against these homosexual tendencies because these are the workings of the devil 😈😈
On Marian apparitions:
We in Kenya have witnessed these apparitions at the National Marian Shrine of Mary Mother of God in Subukia during the National Prayer Day of Peace on the 1st Saturday of October.
Mother Mary has also appeared in many countries across the world, the messages of which have been confirmed by many.
The messages are very clear: Her Son is offended by humanity and she is calling us all to repentance.
We even have our our Sr. Anna Ali of the Most Blessed Sacrament, who used to receive messages from Christ Himself and He was anguished by the many blasphemies that were happening in the world and in the Church. These messages and instructions from Christ are compiled in 2 volumes - Divine Appeal.
So, do you still think we in Kenya are schismatics??
@@irishandscottish1829 I support the Pope and the Magisterium, but I also understand why the African Bishops are rejecting this declaration. For years the African Bishops have asked political leaders to resist the demands of western governments on gay unions. Some western governments even tied aid to this issue. Also the issue itself goes against the cultural values and customs of the people these Bishops are serving. I think the declaration is more applicable in the west.
Praying for Fr. Mark. I believed that he was a sincere servant. I'm very saddened to hear him rationalize sin. 😞
No, Fr. Mark is right. A Magisterial Declaration is a solemn teaching instrument. It is not to be dismissed lightly. In fact, Pope St. Pius X met with a great deal of dissent -- against his encyclicals and his decree of the Syllabus of Modernist Errors. So, when even his Biblical Commission met with dissent, he published his moto proprio "Praestantia Scripturae" :
"Wherefore we find it necessary to declare and to expressly prescribe, and by this our act we do declare and decree that all are *bound in conscience to submit* to the decisions of the Biblical Commission relating to doctrine, which have been given in the past and which shall be given in the future, *in the same way* as to the *decrees* of the Roman congregations *approved by the Pontiff*; nor can all those escape the note of disobedience or temerity, and consequently of *grave sin*, who in speech or writing contradict such decisions, and this besides the *scandal* they give and the other reasons for which they may be responsible before God for other temerities and errors which generally go with such contradictions." (hopefully, emphasis added. If I did it right!)
So we have to be very, very careful that we remain open to the Truth, as Fr. Mark is.
@@susand3668 Sin is sin. PERIOD.
Yes, dear@@exquisiteeleganceevents. And would it be sin to misrepresent what your spiritual fathers say? Both the Pope and Fr. Mark?
"Bless the sinner, not the sin." That's the whole of "Fiducia Supplicans" in a nutshell.
As an African bishop said in another interview, "Before this, we always blessed people when asked. We never asked who they slept with. We blessed people. We don't need this document to tell us to bless people who ask for a blessing." He went on to express the obvious truth, that this document has something else in mind, and nowhere does it call people to repentance, which is the primary job of the priest.
Fr. Mark, when you argue that this document helps priests bless people, which they would have done anyway, you are dancing around its obvious purpose - to give woke priests like Fr. Martin a wink and a nod to bless couples in irregular unions - not just gay couples, but heterosexuals living together and people who have been divorced and remarried. Please stop trying to justify this. Good priests bless people, but they also call them to repentance. This document will actually make it harder for priests to perform their number one responsibility, because some weaker priests will think they shouldn't encourage repentance anymore. Please stop. This is bad.
❤ An abomination is an abomination, no matter how is wrapped up, it still stinks ❤
The first abomination is to discuss this publicly, giving ammunition to the atheistic media... Do the document ask for identification of moral status? So if a couple of a man a and a woman asks for the blessing, the priest will ask for their moral ID? Don't make me laugh. The church is blessing them for ages, just if they go to a mass and wait for the final blessing! And if a homo couple do the same? Will you ask for their status? WE are seeing the birth of new Lutrhers, that know more than the Pope. And more, for what we are seeing, looks like there is a huge line of same sex couples asking for this blessing. I don't see any.
Amen
Why is this priest afraid to call sin a sin? No matter how much sugar coating this document contains, it’s still a sin.
Fr G is calling evil good, just as prophesised.
The document changes nothing other than add confusion. There was no known need for this document and its reason for existing is what people are questioning. If a priest didn’t understand that he could bless a person who is in a sinful relationship before then that’s a different problem.
There sure was a need for this document. The German, Belgian, and other Bishops were promoting and some already performing special blessings on same sex "unions!" The document clearly says that they can't do that. It is true that it could have stopped at that. What the Vatican has understood is that we live in a new world that (much to my dismay) has "normalized" same sex couples (as well as heterosexual couples that live together). How do you invite them to a life of holiness if all you do is reject them and tell them they are an abomination, that they are sinners, and perverts? Does that sound like an invitation to repentance to you? After all aren't they just as much children of God as we are? Did He not love them into being? The Church has followed the process of discernment and has put forth a worthy alternative. I think it is a wonderful document.
@@deaconsantiagomolina91 Clergy who are “blessing” sin should be reprimanded. The Churches teaching is and has been crystal clear. If you think we as catholics reject any sinners and tell them that they are abominations then you are terribly mistaken! Your comment on this indicates that your thinking is a part of the problem. We do not reject them! This is well known and you must not be familiar with the Church nor its teachings. All sinners are invited to repentance and to be a part of His Church! However, we must acknowledge our sin and not desire for the Church to accept it as good.
You are correct!
This situation is like a decaying tooth. The longer a person ignores and pretends it isn't there the more serious the condition becomes. Eventually it has to come out to begin the healing process. Oh Lord please give our bishops and priests the grace to stand up and do your will even with the weight of demonic forces on their shoulders.
Do you think yourselves to speak for God? Are you The Magiaterium to say how the Church should be conducted? If you people speak for God, where is your miracles?
Now I watch Fr. Goring's videos just to see how long he's going to keep digging the hole he's in. He is beyond parody at this point. Good to know that FS has us covered for hurricane season!🤣
Something is seriously wrong with this guy.....
Remember when Saint John the Baptist blessed Herod's "irregular situation"?
I don't either.
Cardinal Fernandez would have instructed St. John the Baptist. “You must walk, with accompany and include King Herod and his sister-in-law with whom he is living in an (admittedly) sinful relationship. We must not be only those who condemn, judge and exclude. Offer King Herod and his sister-in-law a public blessing, to show how merciful, kind, loving and inclusive God is.” If St. John the Baptist had the benefit of Cardinal Fernandez’s sophisticated advice, he would have kept his head. King Herod would probably have shown is appreciation by appointing him to a senior position in the Jewish Priesthood - possibly High Priest for the year.
Dear@@Mark3ABE, please, do not be like Fr. James Martin and totally misread this Magisterial document, which forbids, in very exact detail, any public "blessing of couples in irregular unions", and any theological re-definition of private blessings to allow for pseudo-marriages. This is why "Fiducia Supplicans" is at such pains to reiterate, again and again, (and again!) that simple blessings (being folk piety) are to remain spontaneous and non-scandalous. (NO NYT reporters or photographers, NO legitimacy for the SITUATION of the couple.)
The reason so many people misunderstand what they are reading, is that they do not recognize that the document is directed against the very liberal, schismatic German Synodal Way.
If you would really like to see what Cardinal Fernandez and Pope Francis are up against, you can read the document "Blessing ceremonies for couples who love each other." It's on the Website "synodalerweg.de".
DO you want to join the LGBTQ people and promote the lie that FS is "opening a door" (when it is shutting down the new, theological underpinnings for same-sex unions which schismatic German and Belgian bishops are attempting to construct)?
Cardinal burke and bishop Strickland were removed from positions due to holding “rigid to the faith.” Yet “father” James Martin and the German bishops have NOT been even publicly rebuked let alone removed from office while they have totally abandoned the faith. My great grandma who died at 101 years old always told us if we had a bad pope who was leading the church astray, the faithful are to pray that God take him quickly.
I agree with your comment 100%
The whole process is shameful!
These demons in the church are allowed to stay good Bishops who are loyal to the faith are removed.
I guess "Father" Goring wants to be a priest so much that he's even willing to sell his soul and serve Satan for the job. Sad!!!
Excellent point !!! The faithful are removed, dispised as garbage and the profiles and homisrxuals are praised in the church, placed in the leading and hot sears positions!!!!!!
They were removed for being disobedient.
That tells you all you need to know about this pope's character, intent and agenda. His problem is with orthodox Catholicism and Orthodox Catholic doctrine
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You are 100% wrong on this one Fr. I love you, I love your content, I love your videos, I love the fact that you are conservative but you are dead dead wrong on this topic. There is a big big difference between blessing each individual or offering a blessing after a natural disaster and blessing a same sex couples union. There is no circumstance under which the Church should be condoning sinful sexual acts and that is exactly what they are doing when they are authorizing the blessing of same-sex couples. There is no way around this Fr. you are wrong it's as simple as that and so is the Pope. What you seem to be missing here Fr. is the fact that this new document authorizes the blessing of the union, not just the person's involved in the union, but the union itself which is sinful! Viva Cristo Rey
The document reaffirms the traditional doctrine of the Catholic Church regarding marriage, stating that no liturgical rite or blessing should be allowed that could create confusion about the Church's teaching on marriage. It emphasizes that the Church cannot bless unions that contradict the understanding of marriage as the exclusive, stable, and indissoluble union between a man and a woman.
Key points include:
1. Firm Doctrine:
Emphasis on maintaining the Church's firm stance on marriage and not endorsing any form of blessing that contradicts traditional doctrine.
2. Pastoral Sensibility:
Acknowledgment of the need for a pastoral approach, urging ministers to consider the diverse situations of individuals without compromising on doctrinal principles.
3. Blessings as a Pastoral Resource:
The document encourages viewing blessings as pastoral resources, expressing God's mercy and the Church's motherly care without requiring perfect moral conditions.
4. Non-Ritualized Blessings:
Caution against providing fixed rituals for blessings of couples in irregular situations, emphasizing the importance of spontaneous gestures that maintain simplicity and avoid ritualization.
5. Not Endorsing Same-Sex Unions:
Explicitly states that the Church cannot bless same-sex unions and clarifies that any blessing offered to such couples should not be connected to ceremonies of a civil union or include wedding-like elements.
6. Individual Focus in Blessings:
The document underscores that the intention of any blessing is directed towards the individuals themselves, praying for their well-being, inviting them to seek God's assistance, and expressing a hope for their spiritual growth and understanding of God's plan.
7. Avoiding Scandal:
Highlights the importance of avoiding scandal and confusion among the faithful and discourages the imposition of excessive control over pastoral gestures.
While the document does use the term "couple," it's crucial to consider the context and intent. The document specifies that blessings are directed toward individuals, emphasizing their spiritual journey. The term "couple" is not used to endorse specific relationships but rather to acknowledge the individuals seeking spiritual assistance. The document explicitly states that the Church cannot bless same-sex unions and firmly rejects fixed rituals for irregular situations. The use of the term "couple" should be understood within the framework of individual-focused blessings, avoiding any misinterpretation that would contradict traditional teachings on marriage. The term is not promoting or legitimizing specific relationships.
Interesting timing for this to be released right after the historic Vatican scandal and the verdict of Cardinal Becciu. Becciu found guilty on December 16....Fiducia Supplicans released on December 18.
One would almost think this was a planned distraction if Becciu were to be found guilty.
I wouldn’t be surprised if same sex blessing to couples hasn’t already begun if so what happens to the priest that gave the blessing I’m guessing nothing
Did you even read my entire comment, I address the use of the word "couple" at the bottom. You clearly didn't read it, or you're taking it clearly out of context.
You obviously have not read the document. Everything you just said in this comment regarding what the document says about blessing same sex unions is a lie.
Greetings Fr. Mark. Thank you for all your good work and encouraging words over these many years. Just to add to this whole discussion. I heard Dr. Jules Gomes, the Rome correspondent for Church Militant, say that the F.S. document was written in Italian and the word used for couple was, "coppia'. He said it has the connotation of a romantic relationship between two people. I've seen some incredible mental and verbal gymnastics over the past few days of people trying to say that 'couple' just means individuals or a random grouping of people. I don't believe this is what was meant or intended.
Um that's fine, but that doesn't mean the union is blessed. See paragraph 5 where no union is blessed.
This is why Latin needs to be fully restored in all Ecclesiastical matters.
Okay. But did Dr. Jules Gomes address the fact that "couple" means "two" and not a "union of two" in previous Magisterial documents? And that no matter how many times a priest blesses "couples". a simple blessing can never affirm the union of two people? That FS says simple blessings are for the purpose of bringing "actual graces" (in the technical sense) on the pair of people?
And did Dr. Gomes point out that FS is a carefully crafted weapon to use for the stopping of the liberal, schismatic German Synodal Way?
Does Dr. Gomes want to aid and abet the LGBTQ community by pretending that this document is "opening a door" for them, when it is so clearly shutting down the new liberal theories of "love means love"?
May the Holy Spirit open your spiritual eyes to see what many are seeing but which you are not seeing.
You do realise it's sinful to go against the Magesterium? The Magesterium does not error and we should not claim to be teachers of the document either.
The catechism of the Catholic church teaches us to obey the magisterium. The catechism assures us that the magisterium is not superior to the word of God but it's servant. What is a catholic expected to do when a teaching comes forward which is not in line with scripture and tradition?
@@soldierofmary984 You apparently do not understand the words you are using. Those clergy who have magisterial authority are servants of the Word of God and the perennial teachings of the Church. Their role is to defend the deposit of faith and all truths the Church has taught not to DEFINE truth. As for you claim that the magisterium does not err, there are numerous examples in history of the Church, in which they have erred. Case number one is given in scripture when St Paul rebuked St Peter for his teaching to the Gentiles regarding Mosaic law. Case number two is the case of the Ariane heresy in which the majority of prelates preached the heresy. The history of the Church is replete with erring prelates!
@@jacobwafula6257 A Catholic should then look for a way that it could be harmonized with Scripture and Tradition, in an attitude of submission to the Magisterium. This is what Pope Benedict XVI called the "hermeneutic of continuity." It's the same thing you would do if something in scripture or tradition seems contradictory to you--research how to harmonize them. Pope Pius X said it's a sin of grave matter to reject a document by a dicastery that's approved by the pope.
How is a catholic expected to calmly submit to a magisterium which in 2021 correctly taught sinful union cannot be blessed because sin cannot be blessed, and in 2023 turns around to say it is possible to bless it .
What would you say about the teaching of St. Thomas Aquinas:
There being an imminent danger for the Faith, prelates must be questioned, even publicly, by their subjects. Thus, St. Paul, who was a subject of St. Peter, questioned him publicly on account of an imminent danger of scandal in a matter of Faith. And, as the Glossa of St. Augustine puts it (Ad Galatas 2.14), 'St. Peter himself gave the example to those who govern so that if sometimes they stray from the right way, they will not reject a correction as unworthy even if it comes from their subjects.” (Summa Theologiae, IIa IIae, Q. 33, A. 4)
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Please read CCC 2357. Last sentence: Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES.
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,140 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."141 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
“A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit; neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. “Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.” (Matt. 7:15-20.)
Is it love and compassion for the cast out or is it the exclusion of the marginalized?
It is love, and you don't need to wait thousands of years to see that it is love that will bring forward the fruit. Because it was Love that gave us life on the Cross.
Are you sinless? Or doesn’t everyone has sinned therefore don’t throw that first stone. Maybe that blessing like fr Mark says to give them strength post Tornado will be the one to open their eyes. We are not to judge as we are not Jesus. They are not blessing their union as a couple and Fr Mark as been saying this from the start. Open your eyes and your heart. As long as their couple isn’t blessed for being a couple. Everyone needs blessings
And fruit from the Church, from the Magisterium, from the Pope, is good.
Then bless them one by one, not together. And ask for what you need to bless them. Simple as that. Why this kind of fishy explanations. Fader are you for or against it. I just wandering ?
@@timohaavisto9224 All that attend mass are in state of grace? No. All of them receive blessings one by one or together? Together.
I think there is indeed confusion, blessing is not the Holy Sacrament. Blessing is also not permission to sin or to keep on sinning.
I am so happy that so many bishops are standing firm for the word of God. Here's the thing, the Church has already been doing INDIVIDUAL blessings, blessing sinners so that they would have help striving not to sin, although I believe that the ROSARY is the answer to that prayer and genuinely desiring not to sin anymore and genuinely desiring to know Jesus and to LOVE him; the answer is going to Holy Confession and then receiving the Holy Eucharist so then the Spirit of God will be poured into a CLEAN Temple... now this is what is going to help in striving not to sin, with our Mother Mary's Grace.
But here's the thing this document says that although these homosexual fornicating couples go to church together they slept with each other the night before, they wake up go to church holding hands receiving the blessings and then they go home and then have more sexual relations with each other again and just live life just how they were... now this document is supposedly saying that even though they go up as a couple, that they are INDIVIDUALLY receiving this blessing... well I don't understand how this could be since the church already gives INDIVIDUAL blessings!!???? the church already does this, so if the pope is now allowing individuals to go up hand in hand with their lovers, then he is Not blessing them individually he is blessing them has a couple! & people are not stupid therefore I'm so Very gratefully happy that these bishops are standing up for what is Right which is the Word of God VERSUS conforming to worldly views, to modern views. The Word of God is Never going to change, and when each of us INDIVIDUALLY goes to get Judged by the Just Judge Jesus, we're Not going to be holding hands with our adulterous or fornicating homosexual lover at that point.
These couples are not suffering from a hurricane that just blew down their house... Besides haven't you read the Bible where God has destructed cities and houses because they lived in sin.
I don't know why you are sticking up for the pope when you know that this is very wrong I don't know if you're trying to be a bishop or a cardinal or trying to advance in your career but what you're doing is very wrong
Point taken. This Church belongs to Christ. We are staying put. Praying for one another. This is not the first time the church is going through a tough time.
You didn't read the document carefully, and it appears you don't know your Catholic faith very well. What is our disposition supposed to be when we receive a teaching of the Pope's ordinary magisterium? Key point, if you don't know what ordinary magisterium means, then you don't probably belong in a conversation about this issue until you learn what it means. Yes, we should repent and go to confession and such. But now you need to go to confession yourself for attacking the holy Father unjustly! Instead of this panicking, go read about how we should receive the Pope's ordinary magisterium with the submission of mind and will. And then talk to your confessor about these issues, and I pray the Lord gives him a good word for you.
@@2Hosea there have been many bad popes in there has been popes that have thought that Jesus did not have both nature of man and divinity when he came so not every Pope is correct all of the time and my loyalty is to Jesus His Word, not every word that comes out of popes mouth. Fr. Chris Alar Marian priest explains document , he's on EWTN, he's a divine mercy Marian priest. Google it he talks for over an hour on document. And him and his congregation is refusing to do these blessings unless they are individual versus with homosexual lover hand in hand.. My priests at my Catholic Church are not doing it either.
Fr. Goring, we love you. You are a wonderful teacher and faithful priest. This explains why you have accumulated nearly one-quarter million subscribers. You are however trying too hard with FS. The hurricane example was a far stretch and we all know that was not the context for which the unnecessary FS was promulgated, far from it. You are better than that. You nor any other priest worth his salt would deny to pray for random people suffering from a devastating hurricane prior to the FS. The document had one purpose, and confusion is growing like a weed that will scatter its seeds to lessen the harvest.
Sorry Father, using a disaster to make an exception to blessing sin doesn't work
👍 Thank you for articulating so well what my own thoughts were when I heard this example. It's not at all relevant to what's going on when a same-sex couple requests a blessing as a couple.
Where does the document say priests can bless sin?
@@soldierofmary984 exactly, all you will find in the document is nothing but bullshit, as in any of the novus ordo documents. That's because the modernist mindset is cowardly, it will never commit itself to any truth, but it will say something while implying the exact opposite of what it's saying. Like the Mossad of the enemies of Christ it uses deception as its weapon of subversion. It paves the way to degeneracy in the praxis, the practical application of the norms, while keeping up a nebulous appearance of orthodoxy in the theory.
Stop spreading the confusion, FS forbids blessing sin.
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I am a late in life convert. Pope Francis puzzles and even confuses me very often. If I am understanding this correctly the priest may offer a blessing to someone in a homosexual union. But this blessing must be performed for the person only, not the relationship. We all know that this is going to be seen by many as a blessing/acceptance of the homosexual relationship instead. My own thoughts on this is that many will be led astray, some may leave the Church. To say it’s very straightforward is not exactly true. The fact of it pertaining to a hot potato political issue right now is, I believe, scandalizing.
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"But this blessing must be performed for the person only, not the relationship" No the blessing is for the relationship, but only for the "non-sinful parts" of the relationship. So if an SS couple is engaging in (sinful) becoming-one-flesh activities every night, but once a week they volunteer to work together cooking dinner at a homeless shelter, the blessing only applies to the weekly homeless shelter work, not the nightly mortal sins. It's a really smart AI-powered blessing that surgically separates the sinful from the non-sinful. Of course this is ridiculous and will scandalize and/or confuse everyone involved. The priest giving the blessing can use whatever wording he wants for the blessing, and will thus almost certainly not communicate the sinful nature of the core activity of the SS relationship, leading anyone observing, as well as the couple, to think the teaching has changed and their becoming-one-flesh activities are now considered non-sinful.
Do the document ask for identification of moral status? So if a couple of a man a and a woman asks for the blessing, the priest will ask for their moral ID? Don't make me laugh. The church is blessing them for ages, just if they go to a mass and wait for the final blessing! And if a homo couple do the same? Will you ask for their status? WE are seeing the birth of new Luthers, that know more than the Pope. And more, for what we are seeing, looks like there is a huge line of same sex couples asking for this blessing. I don't see any.
Don't be discouraged. People are going to see/interpret these blessings the way they want. I'm a lifelong Catholic (married, with 10 children. Even spent time in seminary before marrying. None of this to boast - big mixture of sin and grace - God is Good!) who has come to love Pope Francis. I encourage you to read his writings, asking God for guidance in learning what His Vicar has to teach. If Church politics disturbs your soul, then maybe take a break. God bless you on your journey.
I’ve never seen someone miss the target so many times. The African bishops make clear the problem with this masterpiece document. They are not spin masters, they are truth tellers. So glad we have leaders like them in our Church.
But no they don't. They do not, in their response, disobey this document in any way.
Dear@@mohaubereng9315, you are absolutely right!
"Something good and beautiful in this declaration"
The road to hell is paved in good intentions - St Bernard
✨💖"Deep down, we know when we are doing something wrong."
"NO ONE WILL ARGUE WITH GOD ON THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT!"
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✨"A lantern that is not lit with fire is useless..."
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I saw the video of that African bishop Mtumbuka talking to his flock rejecting the letter. Wonderful.
WOnderful in his mind. A new Luther. This is very strange! Because if the gay couple is on the mass, when the priest give the blessing in the end, this bless will bless that couple! And the document doesn't ask for the identification of the ones wanting blessing. And the couple doesn't need to declare that it is same sex!!! Rotten excuse of some African bishops!!!!!!!
Rejecting a papal document? Bold move. Sounds protestant.
@ajmeier8114 no, the blessing sounds protestant.
@@CarlosAlexandre-fl2ut When you fellows have spent all your lives subsumed in an atmosphere of sin and perversion, you become so blind to reality, that the truth and falsehood exchange places. Homosexuality, which is a very normal for you guys, is an abomination to most of us Africans. So, keep your pontificating, virtue-signalling perversion to you and people of your ilk.
that is totally different! This document specifically talks about blessing a same sex couple or couples because they are sodomites. there is a blessing for pregnant mothers, too. This puts sodomite couples on the same plane as a pregnant mother!! Abomination this document is!!@@CarlosAlexandre-fl2ut
❤ Just because someone says you can, doesn't mean you should..... sin is sin, no matter what the excuse is❤
Well make sure you advocate for Priests to not bless masterbators, fornicators, thieves etc - after all wouldn’t want ‘their sin being blessed’ with your logic…
Let’s make sure the church gate keeps Gods grace and that not one sinner gets a blessing
I do agree that is why you always had confession on a Saturday before church the next day.... so you could receive the Eucharist and any blessings while in a state of grace, not sin.
@@DogtownTradingCo ahh so you ensure to ask those who are getting blessing that they made confession first?
The document doesn’t say to bless the sin.
@@irishandscottish1829No one can be the conscience for someone else. But, chances are, a homosexual couple who approaches a priest for a blessing, is living an intimate life with their partner. The priest KNOWS they are living in sin. It is just like a Catholic leader who promotes and fights for abortion, publicly. The priest knows their sin when this politician wants to receive the Eucharist. The Eucharist becomes a sacrilege and has no redeeming benefit. If the priest gives this politician Communion, he is also guilty of sin. Bottom line - sin cannot be Blessed - no matter how hard you try to define and explain words in this document.
The majority of those who want a blessing are looking for affirmation of their union. You cannot bless sin
Yes, so if they read this document, they will not ask for a blessing, neither a liturgical one for a pseudo-marriage that they cannot have, nor a simple blessing which cannot give them the legitimacy they are looking for.
Only the humble sinners, in need of the actual graces of God to stand up against temptation will be asking for a blessing.
If they do read this document, and don't just listen to the people who falsely claim that FS gives them an "open door" to the kind of blessings they want!
You are pushing it Fr. I’m getting nervous the more you try to explain.
This didn’t age well. Bet you feel very silly now.
@@CJP.-pq3kr No. I stay firm on my caution.
@@dinawink6818 - do yourself a favor and start educating yourself on these issues now youtube.com/@ReasonandTheology?si=F11KWHgNfiZ9IVnC
❤ God bless the African bishops.... the first will be last, and the last will be first.
Do the document ask for identification of moral status? So if a couple of a man a and a woman asks for the blessing, the priest will ask for their moral ID? Don't make me laugh. The church is blessing them for ages, just if they go to a mass and wait for the final blessing! And if a homo couple do the same? Will you ask for their status? WE are seeing the birth of new Luthers, that know more than the Pope. And more, for what we are seeing, looks like there is a huge line of same sex couples asking for this blessing. I don't see any.
Father with loving respect. The couple has already made their decision to stay in their sinful relationship and they are not going to want to change. They made there decision no matter who and how they hurt anyone.
Exactly. Linguistically, the word couple and the verb 'to copulate' have the same root. One thing implies the other. I don't see why anyone has to "interpret" what we already know is the deep Church's first step to makie sodomy acceptable.
That’s quite the claim.
So have you told the church hierarchy that God has graced you with the ability to read hearts like St. Pio??
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UA-cam deleted my comment. I warn you this is not just sin but a political movement to destroy your church
@@irishandscottish1829 you don't have to be able to read minds to recognize that people asking for their relationship to be blessed are not planning on ending the relationship. If the people in the relationship had engaged in (sinful) becoming-one-flesh activities together, or were open to do so in the future, then their continuing the relationship is an occasion of sin and the relationship should be ended. There is a crap-ton of public revelation behind that. If the relationship had nothing to do with becoming-one-flesh activities, then this document would seem not to apply to the relationship.
Maybe a blessing would help them change their mind and turn to God?
Now you’re trying to assert this evil document is about post-disaster situations? Come on, Father. You embarrass yourself more and more with each video on this. What happened to you?
Dear Fr. Mark,
We can bless individuals as we are all sinners. We cannot bless couples who want to justify their sin to say they are a couple and don’t want to repent and live as a sinful couple- whether they are a living together as a homosexual couple or a heterosexual couple. We do love the sinner and want God’s grace and mercy for them.
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AMEN dear Kim! 🙏
Perfectly stated.😊
When I had my spiritual attacks, (about 20 yrs. ago), there were a few priests who were "afraid" and refused to give me a blessing!
One Benedictine Monk, at a Private Catholic School/ Priory, didn't know that his Bishop had sent us to him for me to receive a blessing from him. When we had to report back to his Bishop that I was denied this very basic right, the Bishop was very disappointed and upset with this monk.😊
I agree that no one should ever be denied a blessing in private, especially since I experienced this, but like I did, Confession first, ALWAYS!...😊
God bless you and your family Kim! 🕊️🌹🎄
Well, when you are God, you can guide the Pope via your Holy Spirit to do things the way you want it to be. Until that time, you should learn what being truly faithful is and submit to God's will...weather you agree or not. You are NOT the one to judge nor are you The Magisterium. That's why Protestantism is heretical. The leaning church wants to dictate to the Teaching authority how to conduct its affairs.
@@eabm1984pipes have been in error. I those cases, follow God, not man.
@elledee3725 No Pope has EVER taught heresy in his teaching office. Sorry, but this is basic Catholic teaching. Faithful Catholics know this. Non-Catholics should not opine on these issues, as you guys are misleading the ill-prepared Catholics and they think you are promoting Catholicism.
That's what the document says, that you cannot bless a couple who want to justify their sin. It appears you agree with the document! See paragraph 31.
Father Goring,
African bishops REJECTED what was written in the declaration, because they simply consider it's WRONG.
Not because of pastoral reasons.
You must be honest on that.
In their arrogance, many Europeans have taken their God given graces for granted. Africans have the opportunity to demonstrate the power of Holy Spirit working in the humble of heart and those who fear and love the Lord.
Some are even saying the Europeans are the magisterium excluding the African Bishops and dissenting voices 😅
It is not humility if you praise some and blame others. You show that some are better than others. You show the superiority of some over others. Europeans are worse and Africans are great, where is the humility? And you're probably from Africa.We are all sinners but sin differently.
Fr so many people love you, we do not want you to go to the side of the goats. Quit carrying water for them, join the Team we are in, even if it means becoming a hermit
I love you Father Goring, however if a gay "couple" come to you for a blessing, please recommend for them to go to confession. This is the BEST blessing you can give them!!
God bless the African Church
Fr. Mark. The bishops opposed to this document aew not addressing civil legislation as the main reason for rejecting the document. I think they are saying sin cannot be blessed.
By recognizing that such couples are in a sinful situation, the document should have called for repentance and prayer for conversion.
The news agency missed the point again. The African bishops that I have listened to have never even mentioned the law that makes homosexual relationships illegal in Africa,they are saying the blessing cannot be given period because the two present themselves as a “couple” they cannot bless the “ couple” without de facto blessing the sin. The other problem they have is that the document never mentions the need for repentance. If the so called “ couple” demonstrates repentance, that changes the situation. Fr. respectfully love is truth not good intentions. Only the Truth will set them free. When you said telling them this is sinful is not gonna work. You don’t know till you try, even if they get upset. A lot of people could not take Jesus teaching the truth and killed him because of it. Nonetheless, it’s “ the truth that will set you free.” You plant the seed and God makes it grow.
With all due respect, drop it Father Mark.
Scripture is very clear Matt 18:6-7.
You must ask yourself why you are so eager to bless homosexuality and sin, when so many righteous priests and bishops are saying no to sin? Please check your compass Father. ❤
Fr. Mark is not saying to bless homosexuality and sin. The document is very clear that sin is not to be blessed, but, rather, that people, even the greatest of sinners, are to be blessed to live a holier life. Please approach the Magisterium in an attitude of submission and respect, as traditional Catholic teaching calls us to do.
@@johne2815 Oh please!
We are so like the Greeks who wanted our ears tickled by philosophies, discussions, debates, etc...Words lack often times, and the multiplication of them often makes things worse as well. Most of us live in the real world. Make words that are clear to guide, teach, and direct. Be Churchmen ! This document springs up confusion, debate, and so forth. Affections, desires come from our heart, producing thoughts, then words, then actions, then habits, character, then finally our very own destiny. Be simple and for GOD ! ❤🙏
Stop and recognize this unfortunate truth. The document is intentionally ambiguous and deceitful.
Love the sinner,hate the sin.
May we all come to repentance.
I stand with the African bishops, father, Mark I don’t think you’re analogy about the hurricane helps this horrible thing that our church is going through
our church leader should be solid in their teaching and straightforward. Preaching the gospel that way there is no confusion.,,
And if something doesn’t look right, it looks iffy. We should speak with love, or always the truth.
"Father" Goring doesn't preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ. He's preaching the heresy of Anti-Pope Francine.
Ahh another Protestant pretending to be catholic who has declared someone other than the Holy Father as their pope…
Amen 🙏
Do the document ask for identification of moral status? So if a couple of a man a and a woman asks for the blessing, the priest will ask for their moral ID? Don't make me laugh. The church is blessing them for ages, just if they go to a mass and wait for the final blessing! And if a homo couple do the same? Will you ask for their status? WE are seeing the birth of new Luthers, that know more than the Pope. And more, for what we are seeing, looks like there is a huge line of same sex couples asking for this blessing. I don't see any.
This document never should have been promulgated. There is no beauty in sin. The hurricane situation is weak. Of course you help people in desperation - but you never give the appearance of approving sin. Be Strong! Defend the Truth. Defend the Church. Wake up, Father!!!
❤ Saint Augustine "Do not think that your thoughts are unknown to God. By contemplating evil, you add to its reality. Repentance is the remedy; abandon the thoughts, and God will forgive." ✝️✝️✝️
Now we are to believe that affirming sinful actions is what Jesus wants.
@@orangemanbad yes, that way we can excuse all the clergy abuse❤
@@DogtownTradingCo it’s quite the opposite. We have been fighting the gay infiltration in the church for decades. Now that we are making progress now the same gays who abused little children are pushing for gay blessings. Very disgusting and perverse.
Could you please give the reference for this quote? Thanks.
There is a difference between blessing every soul and any couple living in sin. Do you see the trap now?
From Mark Mallett , You cannot compromise, dear priests…
“I had another vision of the great tribulation… It seems to me that a concession was demanded from the clergy that could not be granted. I saw many older priests, especially one, who wept bitterly. A few younger ones were also weeping… It was as if people were splitting into two camps.” -Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich (1774-1824); The Life and Revelations of Anne Catherine Emmerich; message from April 12th, 1820
Actually, as a priest you would be pouring the love of God in them if you told them about confession and abstinence.
Yes. The wording of the simple blessing is entirely up to the discernment of the priest.
@@susand3668 Well, we already know how Fr James Martin has discerned it. I can't believe we are living in these insane times.
Dear@@katieann1908, yes, I know. I really hoped he would continue being slick and slippery, and not go there! But I guess he couldn't resist, and now it is up to his superiors to discipline him.
And he gets encouragement every time someone says that FS is promoting same-sex unions, despite the fact that it is not.
But I just learned today that Pope Saint Pius X faced a great deal of dissension and distrust, and had to rebuke those who misread *his* Magisterial documents, so maybe these times are not as extraordinarily bad as we think!
In any case, please keep me in your prayers, as I will keep you in mine.
Truth will win!
@@susand3668 Truth will win! I love that. God bless!
Dear@@katieann1908, God bless you too!!
Lest we not forget, Fernández is the author of “Heal me with your mouth, the Art of Kissing”. This lovely book includes erotic poetry and images. I guess these poor uneducated Bishops and priests are just not as spiritually enlightened as Fernández. Plus he is also Pope Francis’ ghost writer.
This still does not address the faithful who have been scandalized. There appears to be no concern about this by the DDF. When a bishop says “ it sounds like heresy, it reads like heresy, it is heresy!”, that’s enough to give me pause to listen to him and his entire conference of bishops agree, as do the bishops in all the surrounding countries including Nigeria that has I believe the largest Catholic population on the African continent.
do not be deceived. Francis and his henchmen WANT the faithful to be scandalized. They want to be rid of conservative catholics once and for all, so they will have tighter control over the church. Might lose a little bit of financial support as the faithful head for the exits, but Francis' program is catering to the desires of much deeper pockets than ours.
Blessing an individual is different from blessing a couple. If you bless a couple, you are declaring such a relationship is blessed and not sinful. You can pray for them, but not offer a blessing!
Fr. you should know what is wrong. Please do not create confusion. It is Biblical...Sodom and Gomorah were destroyed. Why didn't God bless those cities? Because they were engaging in what you are trying to justify that it is ok. Please Fr...do not create more confusion. Praying for you to discern what is God's will. I have always liked your direction on the faith, but this time around...NO please. I fully support the African Bishops.
Father,
All of us are faced with a stark choice; follow God or follow man, serve God or serve man. It is clear to all who this declaration serves.
I will pray that the Holy Spirit gives you both the wisdom and courage to descern which master you choose to follow.
Yours in Christ
Wolf’s eye (in sheep’s clothing)! 👍🙏
Ahh another Protestant claiming to be catholic…
❤ Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows." ❤
Sadly, both Anti-Pope Francine and "Father" Goring are MOCKING God.
FATHER DEAR PRIEST!
WHEN YOU SAY “ VIVA CRISTO REY ! “ THIS IS YOUR MOMENT!
Please ! without stirring! not so many detours! YES OR NO.
Really Our Priests are guides! keep it up! but please DON'T
SCANDALIZE!
Don’t play that “ dirty game”
This is not about Inocent children , this are man
👨🏻👨🏳️🌈 . It’s an agenda !
The target are the priests !
We pray for our priests!
Helloooo, Father Mark it does not matter where and when! It is never to be done by a Priest! Ever!!! It is Souls that need to be Saved! Stand Firm Father Mark and just say NO!
I don't think for once many agree with fr mark goring
Fr, as much as I love you and respect your views on many topics, I honestly believe that you are painting yourself in a dark corner on this matter. There are 2 main issues with this declaration, the first being the benediction given to couples and not individuals. There has never been a situation in the Catholic Church where blessings were denied to someone simply because they were in irregular situation, including being gay. This is simply a fabrication and distortion of facts in order to push this new narrative. Another distortion comes from the declaration stating that a blessing is not an approval of the sinful nature of an irregular situation. This is also a pure distortion. If you read what blessings mean in Roman languages like French and Italian it is as clear as water. In French for example Blessings means Benediction which means divine approval. There has never been another meaning related to this. The declaration is seeking a subtle way to approve SS relationships without providing any biblical support for these blessings. Faithful Catholics won’t be fouled by this ruse and won’t accept it.
Please read "couples" in the way the document itself uses the term. The document itself is clear that the union should not be blessed, and that "couple" refers to the two people that are blessed.
@@johne2815 why not simply say blessing of the people/persons? Take that document and replace couples with persons and judge for yourself if it clears any confusion or not. Why not state the obvious if that was the intention? The reason why it creates ambiguity is because the end result is to “approve” ss relationships. The Pope has stated his supporting views on this for a while now and this declaration supports that.
Do you really think they are asking for a blessing to turn from Sin. Or are they looking for confirmation/acceptance of their Sin?
Yes. They could just go to confession like everybody else. 🤷🏻♂️
The sinner can get his blessing in the confessional after he's confessed his sins and repented. @@paddymurphy-oconnor8255
You’re spending a lot of time and energy in promoting this. I don’t understand why, and I’d prefer to stand with Bishop Schneider, Bishop Strickland, the African bishops, bishop from Hungary.
Listening to this man makes me realise the African Bishops are talking to deaf ears... they know what to do
Perhaps you are the deaf one. Why are you Catholic and not Orthodox if the Pope can be so quickly dispensed with?
One thing is to pray for their conversion, and another to bless them... In a couple situation.
Fr .Mark ,whom you are trying to please ?
Do the document ask for identification of moral status? So if a couple of a man a and a woman asks for the blessing, the priest will ask for their moral ID? Don't make me laugh. The church is blessing them for ages, just if they go to a mass and wait for the final blessing! And if a homo couple do the same? Will you ask for their status? WE are seeing the birth of new Luthers, that know more than the Pope. And more, for what we are seeing, looks like there is a huge line of same sex couples asking for this blessing. I don't see any.
❤ Saint John Chrysostom: "We shall all be judged, not only for what we have done but also for what we have not done." ✝️
And all the Catholics with the holier than thou attitude who think they can gate keep Gods grace via blessings will be judged for that!
Additionally if you believe in the approved apparitions of St. Catherine of Siena - her dialogue with God is explicit, those who judge Gods ministers will find out that one sin weighed against all other sins combined will be heavier
@@irishandscottish1829and who's to say you're not judging your fellow Catholics for calling them holier than thou?
@@katieann1908 by their fruits….
When Catholics think they can gate keep who is entitled to receive Gods grace via blessings I can judge them - remember we aren’t forbidden to judge we are told instead to judge righteously and not as a hypocrite.
The ordinary magisterium is clear.
Do you trust Pope Pius X words?
In praestantia scripturae (on the Bible against modernists)
“Wherefore we find it necessary to declare and to expressly prescribe, and by this our act *we do declare and decree that all are bound in conscience to submit to the decisions of the Biblical Commission relating to doctrine, which have been given in the past and which shall be given in the future, in the same way as to the decrees of the Roman congregations approved by the Pontiff;* nor can all those escape the note of disobedience or temerity, and consequently of grave sin, who in speech or writing contradict such decisions, and this besides the scandal they give and the other reasons for which they may be responsible before God for other temerities and errors which generally go with such contradictions.”
Fiducia Supplicans is from a Roman congregation approved by the Pope.
St. Pope Pius X is clear when he wrote:
“all are bound in conscience to submit to the decisions of the Biblical Commission relating to doctrine, which have been given in the past and which shall be given in the future, in the same way as to the decrees of the Roman congregations approved by the Pontiff”
St. Pope Pius X then goes on to say about those who deny them, refuse to ascent to them or try to contradict them such as dissenting from them:
“nor can all those escape the note of disobedience or temerity, and consequently of grave sin, who in speech or writing contradict such decisions, and this besides the scandal they give and the other reasons for which they may be responsible before God for other temerities and errors which generally go with such contradictions.”
Humanae Generis from Pope Pius XII magisterium:
*”20. Nor must it be thought that what is expounded in Encyclical Letters does not of itself demand consent, since in writing such Letters the Popes do not exercise the supreme power of their Teaching Authority. For these matters are taught with the ordinary teaching authority, of which it is true to say: "He who heareth you, heareth me";[3] and generally what is expounded and inculcated in Encyclical Letters already for other reasons appertains to Catholic doctrine. But if the Supreme Pontiffs in their official documents purposely pass judgment on a matter up to that time under dispute, it is obvious that that matter, according to the mind and will of the Pontiffs, cannot be any longer considered a question open to discussion among theologians.”*
“21. It is also true that theologians must always return to the sources of divine revelation: for it belongs to them to point out how the doctrine of the living Teaching Authority is to be found either explicitly or implicitly in the Scriptures and in Tradition.[4] Besides, each source of divinely revealed doctrine contains so many rich treasures of truth, that they can really never be exhausted. Hence it is that theology through the study of its sacred sources remains ever fresh; on the other hand, speculation which neglects a deeper search into the deposit of faith, proves sterile, as we know from experience. But for this reason even positive theology cannot be on a par with merely historical science. For, together with the sources of positive theology God has given to His Church a living Teaching Authority to elucidate and explain what is contained in the deposit of faith only obscurely and implicitly. This deposit of faith our Divine Redeemer has given for authentic interpretation not to each of the faithful, not even to theologians, but only to the Teaching Authority of the Church. But if the Church does exercise this function of teaching, as she often has through the centuries, either in the ordinary or in the extraordinary way, it is clear how false is a procedure which would attempt to explain what is clear by means of what is obscure. Indeed, the very opposite procedure must be used. Hence Our Predecessor of immortal memory, Pius IX, teaching that the most noble office of theology is to show how a doctrine defined by the Church is contained in the sources of revelation, added these words, and with very good reason: "in that sense in which it has been defined by the Church."”
*”27. Some say they are not bound by the doctrine, explained in Our Encyclical Letter of a few years ago, and based on the Sources of Revelation, which teaches that the Mystical Body of Christ and the Roman Catholic Church are one and the same thing.[6] Some reduce to a meaningless formula the necessity of belonging to the true Church in order to gain eternal salvation. Others finally belittle the reasonable character of the credibility of Christian faith.”*
- here it says you are bound by what is taught in encyclical letters.
@@katieann1908 Donum Veritatis also confirmed this:
“17. Divine assistance is also given to the successors of the apostles teaching in communion with the successor of Peter, and *in a particular way, to the Roman Pontiff as Pastor of the whole Church, when exercising their ordinary Magisterium, even should this not issue in an infallible definition or in a "definitive" pronouncement but in the proposal of some teaching which leads to a better understanding of Revelation in matters of faith and morals and to moral directives derived from such teaching.*
One must therefore take into account the proper character of every exercise of the Magisterium, considering the extent to which its authority is engaged. It is also to be borne in mind that all acts of the Magisterium derive from the same source, that is, from Christ who desires that His People walk in the entire truth. For this same reason, *magisterial decisions in matters of discipline, even if they are not guaranteed by the charism of infallibility, are not without divine assistance and call for the adherence of the faithful.*
*18. The Roman Pontiff fulfills his universal mission with the help of the various bodies of the Roman Curia and in particular with that of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in matters of doctrine and morals. Consequently, the documents issued by this Congregation expressly approved by the Pope participate in the ordinary magisterium of the successor of Peter.(18”*
“23. When the Magisterium of the Church makes an infallible pronouncement and solemnly declares that a teaching is found in Revelation, the assent called for is that of theological faith. *This kind of adherence is to be given even to the teaching of the ordinary and universal Magisterium when it proposes for belief a teaching of faith as divinely revealed.*
When the Magisterium proposes "in a definitive way" truths concerning faith and morals, which, even if not divinely revealed, are nevertheless strictly and intimately connected with Revelation, these must be firmly accepted and held.(22)
*When the Magisterium, not intending to act "definitively", teaches a doctrine to aid a better understanding of Revelation and make explicit its contents, or to recall how some teaching is in conformity with the truths of faith, or finally to guard against ideas that are incompatible with these truths, the response called for is that of the religious submission of will and intellect.(23)*
This kind of response cannot be simply exterior or disciplinary but must be understood within the logic of faith and under the impulse of obedience to the faith.”
It goes on to speak of dissent:
“33. Dissent has different aspects. In its most radical form, it aims at changing the Church following a model of protest which takes its inspiration from political society. More frequently, it is asserted that the theologian is not bound to adhere to any Magisterial teaching unless it is infallible. Thus a Kind of theological positivism is adopted, according to which, doctrines proposed without exercise of the charism of infallibility are said to have no obligatory character about them, leaving the individual completely at liberty to adhere to them or not. The theologian would accordingly be totally free to raise doubts or reject the non-infallible teaching of the Magisterium particularly in the case of specific moral norms. With such critical opposition, he would even be making a contribution to the development of doctrine.”
- you don't get to ignore the ordinary magisterium and claim you can pick and choose what documents you hold to. To do such a thing is to no longer hold to tradition. Again Pope Pius X and Pope Pius XII in addition to Donum Veritatis said it is a grave matter/sin to do so and you are not allowed.
Go back to paragraph 30 to see what it says in cases where theologians have difficulty with a document:
“30. If, despite a loyal effort on the theologian's part, the difficulties persist, the theologian has the duty to make known to the Magisterial authorities the problems raised by the teaching in itself, in the arguments proposed to justify it, or even in the manner in which it is presented. He should do this in an evangelical spirit and with a profound desire to resolve the difficulties. His objections could then contribute to real progress and provide a stimulus to the Magisterium to propose the teaching of the Church in greater depth and with a clearer presentation of the arguments.
In cases like these, the theologian should avoid turning to the "mass media", but have recourse to the responsible authority, for it is not by seeking to exert the pressure of public opinion that one contributes to the clarification of doctrinal issues and renders servite to the truth.”
- note that going to social media is not how their concerns are to be addressed so every theologian and self professed theologian that does this is openly and publically dissenting thus committing a grave matter/sin.
To claim you don't have to ascent to a teaching from the ordinary magisterium due to not being infallibly taught is dissent which is a grave matter - this is unanimously taught amount the manulalists and Vatican II confirms it in its acts.
@@irishandscottish1829Why does quoting our Holy Saints and the Holy Bible make someone "Holier than thou"? And, why do these quotes make you so angry?
The African bishops did not reject this because of civil law.
Father… a blessing in the case of a disaster is about coping with the disaster. It’s not about anything the document is promoting in such a way that seems to unavoidably lead to scandal or confusion if ever done in a public setting. Blessing people in the midst of a disaster has always been a given (without the need for a confusing document).
Im not confused Fr Mark!! Your videos l of late are disappointing & very concerning 🙏🕊 ➕
Praying for you Father don't let yourself be lead by a wolf in sheep's clothing, ask for a sign and confirmation from Jesus, he consider these relationships As an abomination,